8/13/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Football. Will Joe Burrow and the Bengals be ready to

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Speaker 2 (00:23):
I tell you what, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Legitimately, legitimately, the dudes who play at the Bengals offensive
line should be throwing some money in to take Shamar
Stewart to dinner tonight.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
We're going to get to that here in in just
a few minutes. Hunter Green's going to pitch the night,
which is awesome. I'm a lagger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
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FCU dot org. Tony Pike's gonna join us later on
this hour latest on Bengals training camp, which we're gonna
get to here in in just a second. Hunter Green
does get the ball tonight. I have successfully branded myself
as the Hunter Green guy, because three times this morning
at Bengals training camp, folks were like, your guy gets
the ball tonight. A Greds win last night badly needed.

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They keep pace with the Mets, who broke their seven
game losing streak last night and so they remained two out.
They have a chance to take the series. They will
try to do so tonight in an early ish game
against a really good starting pitcher. But the story tonight
is Hunter Green makes a start for the first time
since June the third, and Hunter is a guy who,

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if among all the Reds who have arrived and looked
like cornerstones and have been foundational pieces and have shown
flashes of brilliance, I've just, for whatever reason, determined he's
my favorite guy. So what is inescapable is Hunter Green
is really well known for always being heard. And let's
face it, man, this return from the groin injury has

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been weird, and it has been more than let on
by a lot of people that perhaps Hunter isn't doing
everything he can to come back, or he has perhaps
shown an unwillingness to come back and pitch in a
big league game when others think he's ready to pitch
in a big league game. And so Hunter's known for
a lot of different things. He's been an All Star,

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he's been an Opening day pitcher, He's had some awesome moments.
What he has not done is established himself as a
guy who's a legitimate big game pitcher. Part of it,
that's not his fault, because well, there haven't been many
big games in recent years. But he's gonna get a
chance to pitch in a bunch assuming he can stay

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healthy between now and the end of the season. One
of them is later today, Reds and Phillies coming up
at five point ten. Remember the first pitch today is
earlier than usual because of the postgame train concert. Chamar
Stewart was awesome today at Bengals training camp. The Tony
Inmoe Training Camp Show has been podcast on the iHeartRadio
app if you want to go listen to it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
We were there. Shamar Stuart was terrific.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Now, it was a bad day for the Bengals offense,
and we went into it in pretty good detail. This morning.
The offensive line had a bad day. There were false starts,
there were a delay of game penalties. Joe Burrow and
Des Ritter, who took all the snaps today, never really
had time to throw. They couldn't get anything going in
the run game. And Shamar Stewart's not the only reason why.

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But if you were watching today's practice, and unfortunately it
was not open to the public, Shamar Stewart was damn
near unblockable today.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
He was terrific.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Now what has gone viral is the clip to the
degree that it's made its way on the Internet of
Chamar Stewart knocking Joe Burrow to the ground on a
pass rush. Now, Burrow quickly got up, walked away. Chamar
Stewart runs to the sideline, Nobody reacts, and then there

(04:08):
was a response. And the response was he saw like
the entire offensive line rush toward Chamar Stewart, and Lucas
Patrick gets right in his face starts a fight with
Shamar Stewart. The fight was very brief. I would barely
call it a skirmish. Now, after the game, Lucas Patrick says,
we're after the practice, Lucas Patrick says, quote, we gotta

(04:29):
protect nine. It starts with me up front, which good
accountability there. I've got to play better, protect better, can't
let nine get hit. Uh here's what Ted Carris had
to say about Chamar Stewart kind of knocking into Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Go ahead and play that audio.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I think we got a little loose from an on
line perspective today and I think just some things transpired
that warranted a response and Lucas delivered that. I thought
we handled it well overall. Wasn't a shut down the
practice type of scuffle. And uh, probably about time we
had one of those What is the fine lines in

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determining if you want to be nasty, you want to
protect each other, but they don't want a lot account
control our teacher. Yeah, I think I think, honestly, the
guys handled it well today. I thought we let out
some aggression. There was things that needed a response to
warranted a response. It was responded. There was a couple
of scuffles. At least we got some work in. It

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wasn't like a total shutdown of the day. How many
times have we seen a quarterback get bumped in a practice?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's not many, and that is what it is. We
gotta be better up front that we want the response.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yes, I mean, obviously you don't know what would happens
today or anyone that touched Joe.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
But overall, do you like the kind of edge Shumar
brings the defensive line?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Hell?

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah, just be smarter. It's a great rush. I have
to I was on the other side of the line
of scrimmage. But great player. But come on, man, that's
that's all our hopes and dreams right there. And we
got to be better too.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's on us. Yeah, there's right about that.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
So if you haven't seen the play, So Stuart rushes
the passer on a stunt, he gets inside Chris Jenkins
looks like he's got pretty much free run of the quarterback.
Lookas Patrick gives him a shove, Schamar sort of stumbles.
It looks like he tries to regain his footing and

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he just sort of falls into Joe Burrow's legs.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Now, I know better than to believe that what's happening
on Twitter represents real life, but I'll do this nonetheless.
People on Twitter big mad about Shamar Stewart and a
lot of folks who care deeply about the Bengals The
big story today is man Shamar Stewart's got to know better,
and he does, like, dude, Okay, let's let's let's make

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sure we're being aggressive. Let's make sure we're you know,
finishing plays. But we we can't touch number nine. You know,
as was stated in Hard Knocks twenty thirteen at thirteen,
don't touch the merchandise that is our hopes and dreams,
both for the players who play on the team and
for the people who root for the team. Right, that's
this goes nowhere if anything bad happens to Joe Burrow.

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So that's that's a quick conversation you can have, right, Hey, Schamar,
come on, let's let's be smarter. Of course, you know
you find the folks online big man at Shamar Stewart
today and we've got to have the conversation. Like uh oh,
Chamar Stewart says, you.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Got to know better. The answer is yes.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
But the Bengals offensive line, Lucas Patrick and Ted Kerris
perhaps most notably, and others as well, what they should
do today is tell Schamar Stewart, we're gonna pick you
up and take you downtown to go get you a nice,
expensive steak dinner because everybody talking about you today and
they're not talking about us, because if they were talking

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about us on the offensive line, they would be talking
about how it practiced today. We were awful fall starts,
delay of game penalties which aren't necessarily really on the
offensive line. But the inability to block anyone, that the
fact that the offense looked totally neutered because they couldn't
throw the ball downfield, and part because neither quarterback who

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took reps today had any time to throw. The offensive
line today got destroyed. Shamar Stewart did some of the destroying.
Now part of that is, let's talk about Shamar Stewart
some more, because the guys look good in camp, and
the guy also looked good against Philadelphia on Thursday. So
but right now, let's get big mad at Shamar Stewart.
Let's make the story him. Let's make the story about

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how young guys gotta know better. Okay that I'll run
with it. We'll talk about it. Yes, yes, Chamar's got
to know better. Please, Shamar Stewart, do not hurt Joe
Burr please, and this goes for everybody else on the
defensive side. Please, let's make sure we're not hurting Joe Burrow,
because everybody's hopes and dreams go up and smoke if

(09:10):
someone hurts Joe Burrow. Let's let's have that conversation. I
don't know that that rises to the level of like
big important meeting. It's just something that can sort of
be said. That's a quick conversation right in the workplace here,
Like there's things that can be addressed via email. There's
things that can be addressed with a quick conversation, and
there's things that need to be addressed in a big meeting.

(09:31):
That strikes me as something quick email. Hey Shamar, just
FYI like number nine?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, you're not gonna want to touch him? Okay, cool. Once.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Once we're done with that, though, let's talk about how
bad the offensive line was today and then juxtaposed that
against the off season conversation, which was did they do
enough to address the offensive line? Is Lucas Patrick really
gonna be the go to it right guard? Because I'll
be honest with you, he may be, But I've read

(10:04):
more about Lucas Patrick being mad at Shamar Stewart than
i've read about him looking good during training camp. I've
listened to Lucas Patrick talk about Shamar Stewart. I didn't
watch Lucas Patrick block Schamar Stewart today, and I care
more about one of those two things. Chances are you
know which one I watch Cornel Vohlson today. I don't

(10:25):
want to watch Cornell Volson anymore. I didn't watch Orlando
Brown practice today. He didn't work out, So you may go, hey, look,
let's go glass half full mo. Chamar Stewart and the
Bengals upfront had their way, and there's something that can
be said about that. I'm here for it. I love,
l ove everything I have watched from Schamar Stewart in

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training camp, practices and in the one preseason game. I
love the fact that this dude has taken the conversation
almost instantly away from what happened with him in his
contract to how he might make an impact. I see
better than I hear, right to quote Marvin Lewis, and
what I've seen from Schamar Stewart looks a lot better
than what I hear about the one and a half

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sacks he had in college last year. But the reality
is the Bengals offensive line has not been good in
a decade. It is a group that does not deserve
the benefit of the doubt, and this may end up
not being a topic by the time we get into
the middle of the season. There are a lot of
us who believe the Bengals didn't do enough to fix

(11:32):
their offensive line from last offseason. So uh yeah, man,
let's let's let's pile on Schamar Stewart today.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Let's let's look over here.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Let's look over here, because that's easy to do, right,
Let's look over here at Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
And get mad at him.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Fine, when you're done doing that, let's come back over
here and look at an offensive line that has not
looked great so far in camp, the goud it's ass
handed to it today, that hasn't been good in a
very long time and doesn't really feel like enough work
was done on it during the offseason.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You tell me what's a bigger deal.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Chamar Stewart with a moment of immaturity and experience aggression.
By the way, I want my edge rushers to have aggression.
Sign me up for that. Sign me up for the
guy who had a hard time finishing plays in college
trying to finish one here.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
We can talk him out of that. We could have
a conversation with Shamar Stewart. Go ahead and have it.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Once that happens, let's talk about how the offensive line
is going to be fixed and enough was and if
enough was done to fix it? Seventeen minutes after three o'clock,
they should take Shamar Stewart out to dinner tonight because
of and Ted Carris said it. Man, they've got to
be better. Ted Carris is a good dude, a stand
up guy. Like I mean, there's nothing to not love

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about Ted Carris. But the reality is that unit today
got worked. Now, fans weren't there. This was not an
open to the public practice, so not as many people
got a chance to see it. But the offensive line
today got destroyed. Schamar Stewart did some of the destroying
and yes he touched Joe Burrow. That can't happen. Fine,

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when we're done with that, what about the O line?
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Speaker 2 (13:35):
More on Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Man like to me, he's one of the stories of
training camp for all the right reasons, and I'm rooting
for him, even if we have to remind him to
not touch the quarterback Tony Pike coming up in just
about twenty five minutes. Don't forget Monday night. We have
the Bengals and Commanders. That game will kick off at
eight o'clock. You'll hear it live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Pregame coverage begins at three five. Meanwhile, we have Red's
and Phillies tonight. It is nobody's being hard on Hunter Green, nobody.
I'll tell you what we are doing next.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen before.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
After three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. More on
Shamar Stewart taking the heat off the Bengals offensive line.
By the way, I love this, I love this. You
can you can fix Shamar Stewart. You can fix nothing.
I mean, I have no idea how good the dude's
going to be. You could fix by quickly addressing Shamar

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Stewart touching Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
That that's an easy one.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
And if it becomes a recurring problem, then then you
figure out a way to address it. Right, But I
would imagine that's a pretty quick fix. What's not been
a quick fix is the Bengals on the offensive side
of the ball having a below average offensive.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Line for close to a decade.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
I'm not so much worried about the stuff that's a
quick fix, like that's that's fine.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's a quick fix.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
On your car is we have an empty gas tank, Okay,
go fill it up. Cool, we're good. The alternator dying,
it's not so much a quick fix. I worry more
about that. So ten years of watching the Bengals have
a below average offensive line no matter what they've tried,
I worry more about that. When I see offensive line

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play that looks familiar relative to the last nearly decade,
that's a lot more concerning. So cool, Yeah, everybody take
their pound of flesh from Schamar Stewart. Young guys got
to do better.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Once we've established that, can you block? Can you block
the other team's version of Shamar Stewart?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can you do that?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Can you keep players off your quarterback? Because for a
while now the answer has been no. Twenty five after
three o'clock, Reds and Phillies played tonight at five ten
last night, Brady Singer pitched well and the Reds after
all all of these sort of stressful games, including the

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one on Sunday which they won by six, that game
was not as stress free as perhaps the final margin
of victory might indicate. It was nice to kind of
put it in cruise control emotionally, at least after they
took the tarp off the field last night. Good start
by Brady Singer. Hunter Green pitches tonight and like this
is a thing. This is a thing. And I don't

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know that anybody has flat out come out and said
like Hunter could have pitched and chose not to.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Or Hunter wasn't as hurt as he would lad on.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
But it certainly has been insinuated that perhaps there's a
disconnect between how Hunter felt about his recovery and his
rehab and his ability to pitch, and perhaps how the
ball club felt about those things. Here's Hunter Green, who
gets the ball tonight at five ten against the Philadelphia Phillies,

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talking about why it took so long to.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Return, ensure that I was in a good position moving
forward and making sure I could do everything that I
could just put myself in the best position forward to
know kind of how I feel going through the process
and knowing when I get out on the field the

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way that I feel. I've pitched a lot, so I
know my body the best, and just making sure that
I'm in that position.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I default to the athlete.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
Here.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Athlete knows his or her body, and so I give
the athlete, the professional athlete, the benefit of the doubt
when it comes to things of that nature. But let's
be honest about hundred Green. This dude was on the
opening day roster four years ago. He will go into
twenty twenty six with fewer than one hundred big league

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starts under his belt. That is a direct result of injury.
The injuries reflect nothing about his character. It's bad luck.
Maybe in some cases it's you know, bad physiology, that
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's not bad.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Mental makeup or emotional makeup. It's not you know, sometimes
fans and certain people in the media will characterize somebody
who's got an injury issue as having a character problem.
I don't think anybody who ever knows, who's ever come
to know anything about Hunter Green would assert that he's
got a character problem. But the reality is Hunter Green's
brand is not comes up big in big games. It's

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talented pitcher, All Star pitcher, pitcher who can throw really hard,
pitcher who has developed a nice repertoire of pitches. But
a pitcher who's not available enough. Well, he's available tonight,
and so the only way the conversation changes is if
he stays healthy and if he pitches effectively. Now it's

(18:51):
easy to forget because it's it's been forever ago. And
when he came off the Intery list the first time,
there was just something uneven about his performances. But prior
to that, Hunter Green had just you know, picked up
where he left off last year. Last year, Hunter Green
was one of the best pitchers in baseball. But we
know him for a lot of different things. We know

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him for being the phenom and the cover of Sports Illustrated.
We know him for, you know, being a guy whose
ascension through the system we watched at times got frustrated with,
at times we were tantalized. We've seen him do some
awesome things on the mound. We have yet to see
him do awesome things on the mound in the context
of a close playoff push. He talked about this yesterday.

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He can legitimately be the difference between the Reds making
the postseason and being on the outside looking in. If
he does that, then we talk about Hunter Green differently.
In the absence of that, His unavailability and the injury
issue and the issue that has kind of dominated the
Hunter Green conversation in recent weeks, is going to be

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what we talk about.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
First.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
The Reds decided to make this guy a cornerstone when
they took him second overall in twenty seventeen. He became
more of a cornerstone when they decided to invest in.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Him the way they did.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Now, don't lose your mind over the money he's making.
He's the eighty second highest paid starting pitcher in baseball.
He is one of the sport's best bargains when he's healthy.
He's just not healthy enough right now. We assume he is,
and he's not rejoining a rotation on a team that
is playing out the string. He's rejoining a rotation that

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is this team's biggest strength when it's got a legitimate
chance to make the postseason. Can Hunter Green be the difference?
If the answer is yes, it changes, at least to
a degree, how we talk about him. Three thirty sports
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First pitch you should start listening to the game. In
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Hunter Green makes his long away to return against a
good left handed pitcher, Christopher Sanchez. Five to ten is
today's first pitch from GABP. Your starting lineup tonight, freedls
in center, Steers at first base, Elie de la Cruz
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batting forth Austin Hayes and left Martes and right field
Tyler Stevenson catches in bout seventh. Santiago Espatal is playing
second base and hitting eighth, and key Brian Hayes is
playing third base and hitting ninth.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Reds.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
We'll go into play two games behind the New York
Mets in the hunt for the last wildcard spot. They
broke out in the Big Way snap their seven game
losing streak. They will host Atlanta again Tonight. Cardinals are
two behind Cincinnati. They take on the Colorado Rockies. Reds
are five and a half half behind. San Diego Padres

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take on the San Francisco Giants this evening. Florence, the
Awns are on the road against Ottawa No. Orlando Brown No.
Miles Murphia today's Bengals practice, which featured a skirmish Temper's
flaring because they're all big man at Shamar Stewart because
they can't block them. Bengals do not practice tomorrow. They're
back in the practice field on Friday. We'll have it

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for you on the AE Door and Window Tony and
Mo Training Camp show Friday morning at ten am.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And don't forget.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Monday night, it's the Bengals and Commanders on ESPN fifteen thirty.
That game will kick off at eight pm. If you
missed yesterday, our guy Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic
in the Growlar Podcast was terrific in discussing a number
of Bengals related issues, lots of stuff coming off of
that first preseason game. Look, man, I can do this

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like Shamar Stewart thing two ways. I could look at
a player who has gone from somebody who about four
weeks ago some of us, and when I say us,
I include myself. We're wondering does this guy want to
play pro football in Cincinnati to someone who I can't

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wait to watch this year. Like, let's be honest, Miles
Murphy is didn't practice today. Don't know how severe he
his injury is. Like that, dude, I read last week
Paul Danner Junior's piece about Miles Murphy where we're wondering
does he have that dog in him?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Like that was the cruxt of Paul's piece. Go read
it now.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Maybe Miles Murphy has developed the confidence to match his
significant physical gifts and puts it all together this year
and goes out and plays well. But like, this is
a player in Miles Murphy who has done next to
nothing since the Bengals drafted him, and the storyline is
not sure this dude has that dog in him. Shamar

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Stewart does can he finish plays? Can he accumulate sacks?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Don't know? Fair question in college. Unfortunately, the answer was no.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Over Here, I've got a guy in Trey Hendrickson who
was at least making it known that he might not
play the first game. I don't really believe him, but
he might not play the first game. That dude's nowhere
to be seen on the field right He's not helping
you right now. Miles Murphy didn't practice today. Theoretically, I

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guess he played in the game against Philadelphia. I had
to actually watch it. To be able to tell you
that he did that. Dude's a huge unknown. I'm looking
for somebody. So here I got this guy that a
month ago I was wondering does he actually want to play?
And he shows up and he's wreaking havoc. He looks
the part. He's bringing an edge, he's bringing nastiness. Dude,

(25:56):
If that means I've got to put up with making
sure he we don't touch the merchandise.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Hell, yes, Like I give this kid.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
A lot of credit, man, because three weeks ago, nobody
was talking about his impact on the team or wondering
if the guy was gonna show up at all during
training camp? Is he gonna miss the preseason? Is his
rookie year gonna be a wash? Like the first training
camp show we did, which was on the twenty third
of July, which feels like forever ago. That's a question

(26:27):
I had for Tony Pike. How much time can this
guy miss before you consider his rookie season a wash.
It was a fair question because it was a legitimate question.
The guy has since shown up. He's been disruptive in practice,
he's brought an edge, he's brought nastiness. He's pissing off

(26:48):
the other team's offensive lineman, which good because he's kicking
their ass. That's exactly what this team needs. So if
along with that, you gotta pull him to the side
and go, dude, let's just let's just make sure we're
not screwing up our franchise by touching number nine. If

(27:09):
if that's what I've got to do once or twice
during training camp, okay, in sign.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Me up right now, right now, right now, if you.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Would have told me a month ago, Shamar Stewart's gonna
show up, be disruptive, do some really nice things in
his first preseason game, destroy Bengals offensive lineman. Now, granted,
that's gonna create conversations about the O line, but he's
gonna bring an edge, he's gonna bring a he's gonna
be there when Trey Hendrickson is not. He's gonna give

(27:37):
you a glimpse in of what he could do. But
you're gonna have to have a day maybe two we
have to remind him. Let's let's just tap the brakes
a little bit when you get close to Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, yeah, and sign me up. Let's let's right now.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Okay, yes, yes, because because this defense sorely lacked all
of that last year, which is why they took him
with the seventeenth overall pick. I give that dude a
ton of credit. Man, we were wondering a month ago.
Well when he shows up, is he gonna be in shape? Well,
when he shows up, is he still gonna be but
heard about his contract? When he shows up, like this

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guy really want to play here? You watch that dude
in practice. That guy looks like he can't wait, can't
wait for the season to get here, to show what
he can do. Maybe the answer is he can't do anything.
Today he did a lot. Tony Pike joins US next
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Speaker 4 (29:28):
I guess Bengals wound down a training camp workout today.
Tony was there for all of it. We got to
watch the Shamar Stewart show. We're going to talk about
the deficiencies on the offensive line a little bit later on.
But Shamar Stewart, this is not the first time you
could say this. Shamar Stewart put on a show today.

Speaker 11 (29:47):
Yeah, He's done it multiple times. He flashes with his
quickness and his strength and his pops and the way
he's able to change directions. Now, as we saw today,
they're utilizing and him more in different variations of the defense,
not just line up and rush, but run a stunt,
which is what he ran today when when he got
to Joe Burrow they're starting to open up more of

(30:08):
what he can do. And as long as Trey Hendrickson
is not there, and today Miles Murphy wasn't there, he's
going to continue to get reps, and to this point,
through everything, he's made the most of the reps he's received.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
You know, you kind of referenced something there that I
think is interesting. In recent years, we've watched lou Anaumo
take his for the most part. This changed a little
bit with Sam Hubbard, but take his edge guys, and
they were edge guys. Trey Hendrickson is an edge guy.
There are pass rushers who get moved around you and
I talked about this the day after they drafted him.
I liked the idea of taking Schamar Stewart and lining

(30:43):
him up pretty much anywhere on the defensive line.

Speaker 12 (30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (30:47):
I love the thought of third downs, to have three
pass rushers in the game spot him inside. I also
think we've seen enough of athleticism that you could probably
stand him up off the edge of a linebacker in
different scenarios because his change of direction and his burst
is as great as it is. So I really think
that it's uncapped for Al Golden on how he wants

(31:08):
to utilize Lamar Stewart going forward Again, He's getting a
great opportunity of reps right now because of the guys
that aren't going at practice. So as long as he
continues to make the most of him and does what
he needs to do, I'm never going to fault a
guy for being aggressive. I'm not going to fault him
for pushing past the whistle. I like everything we've seen
from Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, I can have a very simple conversation with him.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
If I'm Zach Zach Taylor, if I'm Al Golden, if
I'm one of his you know, veteran teammates. I got
have a very simple conversation with Shamar Stewart, just reminding
him not to go overboard when it comes to number nine.
But give me the nastiness, give me the edge that
he plays with, give me everything that I have seen,
and if I understand part of the collateral is occasionally

(31:50):
he goes a little bit overboard, and I got to
rein him in a little bit during practice. I'll sign
up for that.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
What have we discussed that's missing from this defense an
ability to dominate the line of scrimmage, playing with a
chip on their shoulder. I want that in my defenders.
And again it's different because you could see that and say, well,
he's got to stay away.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
From Joe Burrow.

Speaker 11 (32:11):
Look if it's a clean rush and he ran right
into the lap of Joe Burrow and he stood there
underneath him, I would have every bit of a grip
when you are losing your balance and the offensive lineman
that gut beat just shoves you in the back. I
don't blame Shamar Stewart for what happened today. Is it
a day to remind him, Hey, we got to be
careful around number nine. Absolutely, but it's not Shamar Stewart's

(32:33):
fault that he was pushed into the quarterback by a
lineman who didn't touch him.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Other than that, yeah, I could not agree anymore.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
We'll talk about the offensive line again coming up in
four forty five. Tony, thank you so much. All right,
Tony Pike with the Elitas from Bengals training Camp three
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Speaker 2 (33:13):
I am I'm gonna take the bait.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I'm not going to so much take the bait as
I'm going to answer a question that I heard posed
on Sportsmanlike on ESPN Radio, which we carry every weekday
from six to ten, posed by our resident super Bowl Champion,
Chris Canty. Now it's worth mentioning that in this building
is a former super Bowl champion who works here, Rocky Boyman.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
He's really our resident super Bowl Champion, but.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I hear Chris Canty introduced himself frequently as our resident
super Bowl Champion. He asked a question about the Bengals
and Joe Burrow, and I think we'll send this audio
to him because I'm going to give him an answer,
because I feel like his question was legitimates. I'm going
to give him an answer and sort of take the bait.
Coming up in the five o'clock hour, we'll have a

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couple of pollup questions. I think two maybe three at
Moeger on Twitter that we'll get to here in just
a bit. I'm I'm cautious against overreacting to anything that
ever happens in a practice setting, regardless of sport, in
large part, even if you just want to take a

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small example here, the Bengals defense did a really, really,
really nice job in the first week and a half
or so a training camp, and then did the exact
opposite in the game against the Eagles last week. But
the Bengals offensive line struggling today the way it did,

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and others will have a different takeaway. Perhaps I can't
emphasize this enough. It got worked. That's not something that
we should It's not something that I will just sort
of blatantly sort of cast aside. And so we're going
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Tony Pike. Tony and I are going to talk about
the Bengals offensive line. You know, the big story today
was miss Shamar Stewart got a little bit too close
to Joe Burrow. Wasn't totally his fault, and the offensive
line did like it. And I expect the offensive line

(36:35):
to have the back of their quarterback. And Ted Carriss
had some things to say, and Lucas Patrick had some
things to say, and that's all well and good. I'm
excited about Shamar Stewart. I think if you've paid attention,
either you know to the dispatches coming from training camp practice,
or you've seen video, or you've gone and had a
chance to watch him practice yourself, or you caught a

(36:56):
glimpses to what he could do against Philadelphia on Thursday,
I think you're excited to know what Shamar Stewart can
do for this team. He could be a disruptor. The
Bengals themselves, right or wrong, are telling you sacks don't
matter as much because they've got the league's reigning sack
leader and they're not exactly giving him the blank check
he's looking for and not giving him all the guarantees

(37:16):
he wants. And that's despite the fact that he had
all the sacks last year and then they drafted a
guy with one and a half sacks last season, and
that's the first thing that jumped off the table, jumped
off the page when he looked at him.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Statistically, it's fair.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Sacks are good, but there are ways that you can
have an impact rushing the quarterback that don't involve necessarily
tackling him while he has the ball. So what we've
seen from Shamar Stewart so far has been very encouraging,
and that includes getting a little bit too close to
Joe Burrow today. But today was a very on brand

(37:54):
day for the Bengals. The Bengals brand is they don't
protect Joe Burrow. You know, we read some of these
offseason quarterbacks lists, whether they're ranking quarterbacks just one through
thirty two or ranking every team's quarterback situation. I'm particularly
fond of Mike Sando's NFL QB tiars. Mike's going to

(38:15):
be on this show on Friday at four h five
to talk about the tier system that he uses. And invariably,
when you find people who canvass the league and talk
with gms and scouts and coaches and people who work
in the NFL, people who build rosters, somebody will always
bring up that they don't protect Joe Burrow. This goes

(38:36):
back to his first season, which is you know, he's
getting set for year six. He gets hurt on a
play where he gets hit because he's not protected. They
don't win the super Bowl in part because the offensive
line was a major weakness. They got to the Super
Bowl despite Joe Burrow getting sacked ten times in a
playoff game. Their season has unraveled or has been put

(38:57):
in jeopardy or on a severe note, They've had games
they haven't won because they can't protect Joe Burrow. This
is part of the Bengals brand. You could argue it's
maybe the biggest part of their brand. Yes, they've got
an awesome quarterback, arguably the best in the league. And yeah, man,
they've got all league wide receivers, all worldwide receivers. They've

(39:21):
had good defenses. Regardless, they can't protect Joe Burrow. The
offensive line lowers their ceiling. The offensive line play compromises
their championship potential. When that's your brand and you see
something during a training camp practice that kind of fits
in with that brand, it's troubling at face value. Nobody

(39:46):
should overreact to what happens during a training camp practice.
There's loads of players who have done good things in
training camp practices who didn't do anything. In the NFL,
there's lots of teams who have had really impressive training
camp practices from a certain unit, and that unit ends
up not doing anything once the real games actually begin.

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But this is a different type of situation. Bengals haven't
had a good offensive line in ten years. Some old
lines have been better than others. It hasn't been due
to lack of effort either. They've spent money on it.
Right in one offseason where they spent money on three
free agents, one of them is still here. They gave
Orlando Brown a massive contract. They've taken one in the

(40:32):
first round, a Marius Mims. They took another in the
second round, Jackson Carmen. They took one in the third
round this year, Dylan Fairchild, and to be fair to Dylan,
he looks the part. It hasn't been due to lack
of effort, but regardless of how they've tried it. Frankly,
regardless of who the quarterback has been, it's been a
very long time since the Bengals have had a really

(40:53):
good offensive line. In most years, it's been below league average.
Last year would be one of those years. It's a
part of their brand. So you know that's established, it's inescapable.
What also happened is this offseason that the Bengals did
not let it go unaddressed. They signed Lucas Patrick, they

(41:15):
drafted Dylan Fairchild. Let's be honest, the work on the
offensive line, specifically at guard, felt kind of incomplete, kind
of incomplete where you went into the off season talking
about them maybe maybe signing two veteran guards, perhaps drafting one,

(41:38):
finding a new swing tackle. Uh, by the way, for
what it's worth, as much as we have talked about,
you know, the the draft class from our Stewart's perspective,
and you know what Dylan Fairchild has done, and Demetrious
Night showing some things. Jalen Rivers has not done anything

(41:59):
to make anybody feel like could they drafted in the
fifth round out of Miami, hasn't done anything to make
anybody feel like he's gonna stick this year, at least
as the swing tackle. So you're the team, you're the
franchise that has built this brand. It's not a brand
you want to build, but you have built the brand
of not being able to protect your quarterback, of being
woefully deficient on the offensive line. No matter who you've tried,

(42:21):
no matter what you've done, You've had different offensive line coaches,
this is Zach Taylor's third. You've signed free agents, you've drafted,
you've grabbed dudes from other teams on cutdown day.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
You have that. Then you have this offseason that.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Felt a little underwhelming in terms of player acquisition on
the O line.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Depth feels like a problem.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
You add that to what you already knew, which is
the Bengals brand is they don't protect the quarterback. And
then you have a training camp practice and a few
quite frankly where they have gotten worked on another team
in another city. You could take a day like today
and we were there. I can't tell you how bad
it was upfront, and you could chalk it up to

(43:08):
a bad day. Defense got the better of them. It happens,
No big deal. This is going to be ironed out.
There are things that if they happen with the Bengals,
you go, no big deal. If Jamar Chase dropped a
couple of passes during a training camp practice, it wouldn't
even register. If Joe Burrow threw a couple of picks
on bad balls in a training camp practice, it wouldn't
even register. I trust those guys. I don't trust this

(43:30):
offensive line. More importantly, I don't trust the Cincinnati Bengals
to have fixed the offensive line, because it's taken them
years even to just have a line built like this
that I will admit has some upside. So nobody is
overreacting to a training camp practice on its own. Today

(43:50):
was on brand. And it wasn't just that they couldn't
block Jamar Stewart. When you're seeing false starts, when you're
seeing delay of game, when you're seeing just an overall
disjointed look, it's alarming. Look, there are certain training camp
stories that go away almost instantly once the real games begin.
Right a couple of years ago, remember Jamar Chase couldn't

(44:11):
catch a pass, like was having all sorts of issues
in training camp and in the preseason catching the football.
This is something you might have to really jog your
memory to recall, because since then, Jamar Chase has turned
into arguably the best wide receiver in football, an indispensable
part of this football team. But there was a time

(44:32):
when it was like a legitimate thing, like, oh my god,
did they screw this? Up by drafting a guy who
can't catch. Should they have taken Pinay Seoul and it
goes away instantly. It went away instantly that first game
against the Vikings that year, where he made a game
changing play down the field. Frankly, the Bengals offensive m
O very quickly became quote E. Fitt, Jamar's down there,

(44:53):
throw it to him. So this can change. But until
it does, when you watch the Bengals practice and you
see the offensive line just get destroyed, and you see
penalties being committed, and you see them look as sloppy
as they do, and you add it to the stuff
we know, which is they haven't had a good offensive
line in a while, and the stuff that we fear,

(45:14):
which is that they haven't done a good enough job
of overhauling the offensive line with player acquisition. It's scary, man,
It's scary. And to me, that's the overall point of
talking about how Shamar Stewart has distracted everybody's intention, Like
Shamar Stewart should not hit his quarterback.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
You and I know that.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
But the bigger issue for me is, and I think
for a lot of us, a franchise that has taken
a long time to try to fix its offensive line.
Had a unit today that just got its tailkicked and
didn't look very good, and there are just built in
questions about depth and quality all over that unit. And

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then you add to Orlando Brown in practice today. If
that doesn't give you some pause, I don't know what.
I don't know to tell you. There's a million reasons
to be excited about the Bengals as we get closer
and closer to the season. But if that doesn't give

(46:20):
you some pause, I legitimately have no idea what to
tell you.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So today was very on brand.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
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Speaker 2 (48:39):
All right, let's talk to some folks. Ian.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty Ian, and thanks for hanging on.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
How are you hey, great man.

Speaker 13 (48:48):
I've been thinking about this since the last game that
Hunter Green's played, and there's other players that use this
body motion and the fact that you know, he doesn't
always throw one oh five.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I know this, but.

Speaker 13 (49:06):
It would probably be wise with his history see this pattern.
How about we cap him or tap himself at like
ninety eight. You know, you look at a picture like Abbott,
who's all like about control that. Honestly, that's my favorite
kind of picture. I love Hunter Dreenks stuff, but this

(49:28):
sad back with the physicality issue, you know what I mean,
Unless he's gonna go maybe into the offseason and maybe
consider a different you know, release, Like the way he
hurls his leg and lower body, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (49:44):
It just kind of looks like, you know, you could
get hurt.

Speaker 13 (49:49):
Maybe that's stupid, but I just think it's a problem,
and I don't think it's gonna go away, you know
what I mean, unless some adjustments are made. And I
wonder if that's been talked about it all, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I would imagine that anything and everything has been talked
about in relation to keeping Hunter Green healthy. So I
mean everything should be on the table. I am not
a kinesiologist. I can barely say kinesiologist. I'm not qualified
to tell you that Hunter Green's throwing motion lends itself
to him getting hurt more often. But they employ people

(50:24):
who are in charge of that. They also employ a
lot of pitching instructors, and I would think that it
would make sense for those folks to get together with
Hunter Green and discuss is there a better way of
him going into his pitching motion? Is there a better
way of him working through his repertoire of pitches? Is
there just a better way of him pitching that accomplishes

(50:48):
the goal of getting hitters out the way we know
he can, but also protecting him and ensuring his availability better.
I think it's a completely fair and legitimate question.

Speaker 13 (50:58):
Yeah, I've just got one other question on your opinion,
Like when the Bengals see a deal with like Shamar
Stewart and what's went down today, Like would there be
any chance that they would think about trying to pick
up one of those last remaining lineman or do you
think that's like a stretch you know what I mean.

(51:20):
It's just I don't understand why they want to just
be competitive, like if you don't have number nine, just
pull things out the window.

Speaker 11 (51:29):
So they just.

Speaker 13 (51:30):
Content keeping everybody excited, but not really going.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
All the way.

Speaker 13 (51:35):
Why wouldn't you want to go all the way when
you know it's right there that dude has the ability
to take this team all the way.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
And then those.

Speaker 13 (51:46):
Big market teams that go crazy and they don't win,
that's one thing. But I'm telling you, this guy could
do it for you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
And I just don't understand why they don't see it.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
I think it's I think it's very simple. I think
they like what they have on the offensive line, Like
everybody mentions the name Brandon Shurf. It's worth pointing out
every other team to this point has said no to him. Look,
it's not like they haven't spent money on the offensive line.
They gave Orlando Brown a huge contract. Ted Carriss wasn't cheap,
Alex Kappa wasn't cheap. Lyle Collins wasn't cheap. Trey Brown

(52:23):
wasn't cheap. I mean so they They've also used early
round draft choices. Jackson Carmen was the second rounder. Amarius
Mims we like as a first rounder. They drafted two
offensive linemen this year. They haven't ignored the offensive line,
they just haven't gotten it right. And at the end
of the day, all that matters are the results. Now
as it relates to this year's offensive line, I think

(52:43):
their opinion of what they have doesn't jive with the
opinion that most of us have. I think they are
content with what they have on the offensive line, at
least for now. That could change if somebody gets cut
that they value and think is better than somebody they have.
I think their evaluation of their offensive line is different
than the outsiders evaluation of the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I hope they're right.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I hope that we get to December and go, holy crap,
they got it right.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
They got it right.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
As it relates to Lucas Patrick, and they got it
right as it relates to some of the backups, and
they got it certainly got it right as it relates
to Dylan Fairchild. I just they haven't earned the benefit
of the doubt because they've they've tried to make the
offensive line better and they have failed. And at the
end of the day, all we care about are the results,
especially if those results put your quarterback in harm's way.

Speaker 13 (53:32):
I just got one last comment and I'll take your
opinion off there, but I could it be a thing
where they're kind of like some days they're going hard
with one unit and the other days they're kind of
throttling back, Or like last year when you talked about
the defense looks amazing and preseason in their complete flop

(53:53):
with could it be it's just I'm hoping, you know
what I mean. Could it be one of those deals
where they're just going through the motions. They're working on
this one day, another day they're gonna so we can't
really get the full pitcher until the freaking block starts
on Cleveland, right.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yes, one. You take everything Ian, thank you.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
You take everything that happens in a in a preseason
game or in a practice setting with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
I don't think today, and I could just say from
being there, I don't think today was a matter of
one side taking it easier and the other going hard.
I think today was a pretty intense workout. I think
today was a pretty intense practice. Today was a practice
where the defense got the best of the offense. By
the way, that's not just upfront, because Tony and I
talked about this while we were there. The coverage downfield
was often quite good. This was the offensive line got

(54:49):
worked today. But we've been doing excuse me, training camp
reports for years, for years where Tony himself has gone
down there and said, god Mo, that the offensive line
got worked today, And then what happened once the games

(55:10):
actually started, the offensive line would get worked. And that's
why this is troubling. It's troubling because of the track record.
It's troubling because we have revisited so many of these
themes before twenty eight minutes after four o'clock, the Hunter
Green thing. I think there's a really interesting conversation that
could be had about whether or not it makes sense. Again,

(55:33):
I'm not a kinesiologist. I'm not a pitching coach. I
couldn't tell you of his motion if his wind up
lends himself to getting hurt, suffering lower body injuries or
arm injuries. Obviously, what he's coming back from his lower
body injury. I do think it's fair to wonder, however,
are there things he can do while still trying to
get hitters out that protect him better? Is the average

(55:57):
velocity of his fastball this year has been ninety nine
point three. That's obviously awesome. He has certainly done a
good job of mixing in his pitches. He throws his
slider about a third of the time, he throws his
split finger fastball about ten percent of the time. He
barely throws his curveball. But is there something about, Look,
let's maybe not average out at ninety nine point three

(56:20):
and let's average out at ninety eight point three. I
don't know the answer. But he's so good when he's healthy.
They got to figure out a way to keep him healthy.
Sometimes you run into bad luck. But I would like
to think that one of the discussion points with Hunter Green,
aside from just you know, hey, can can you maybe

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work back from injury a little bit more quickly?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Will be? Or should be?

Speaker 4 (56:47):
It certainly should be, but will be? You know, are
there things that can be done mechanically? Are there things
that can be done in terms of his approach that
help him stay healthy and available? We'll see again if
you're planning on going to the yard tonight. The Reds
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and we will absolutely make it a point to tell
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becoming a story. The Milwaukee Brewers are thirty one games
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twenty one and twenty five. They're doing this during a
season where it really didn't feel like they were trying
to win. They have a seven and a half game
lead in the National League Central. If you're wondering, the
Reds are thirteen back there looking for their twelfth consecutive
victory today and right now they're in line to get

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it up on the Pirates eight five in the bottom
of the seventh inning. That game is being played in Milwaukee.
Rockies are maybe helping out a little bit. Top of
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by a score of six to five. Reds are two
up on Saint Louis in the NL standings, is also
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scored seven times early. They lead that ballgame now seven
to nothing in the top of the third inning. I
guess we could consider the San Francisco Giants wildcard contenders,
even though they've lost four straight games and are five
and a half behind New York.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
But we'll chart their progress.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Nonetheless, Florence y'all is on the road tonight against Ottawa.
Orlando Brown not participating today, Miles Murphy not participating today
as the Bengals went through another training camp practice. Players
off tomorrow. Back at it on Friday morning. We'll have
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Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Three Bowl questions.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Did the Bengals do enough this offseason to fix their
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Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Vote now yes or no?

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
At Muleger Question number two, Schamar Stewart touched Joe Burrow today.
Your take is a young guy needs a talking to
in swift punishment. B Maybe try blocking him and then
see And I think this is the important one. My
daughter starts school tomorrow, first day of third grade. Time
is flown. If you follow me on social media, we

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are going to do what every parent does in this
day and age. Take the obligatory photo of Crosley, my wife, myself,
if we can get the dog to cooperate, we'll take
the family photo. We'll take some individual photos because in
the first and last day of school you have to
take pictures. And we'll do this and they'll be great
pictures because my daughter is adorable and I want her
to have a great experience in the third grade.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
But I'm sorry, and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
This is probably not the first time I've talked about
this on this outlet. It is beyond absurd that we
have schools starting in mid August. I was told today
on Twitter some schools in Indiana begin in July. If
you're a child listening to this, If mom or Dad
have you in the car and you're stuck listening to

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me on behalf of any normal adult, I want to apologize.
It wasn't always this way. My last year of high
school began on August thirtieth, nineteen ninety four. I remember
that day for a reason because a story that I
will never tell involved the most embarrassing moment of my life.

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On August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety four, school started three
days later August. That was the last year I was.
That was in Kenton County, Kentucky. Taylor Mills Scott High School.
August thirtieth felt early, but Labor Day was at least
that weekend. And you have started school already or you're

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starting this week. I am deeply sorry that my generation
has chosen to go out of its way to pretty
much ruin everything. Don't even get me started on youth sports,
travel ball parents. I mentioned this to Tony and Austin before.
I have a friend of mine who has an eleven
year old son, good baseball player and all they wanted

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to do this summer was like take the kid to
Lake Cumberland for like four days, go water skiing, boating,
quick family vacation, not even a full week travel. Ball
coach lost his mind because my buddy's son would get
to the big leagues in less he skipped that round
of batting practice that he took didn't take when he

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chose to go water skiing instead. I'm sorry that we
have decided to start school in mid August. I would
love to lead a kid strike next year. Can't do
it now, It's too late. Now August August is summer.
Summer is not for school. I mean, ninety four degrees tomorrow.
My kid's going to be sitting in a classroom.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Vote now. Most agree with me. It's absurd to start
school during the second week of August. Again, it is
a hallmark of my generation. We have chosen to ruin everything.
At some point over the last I don't know, twenty years,
it was decided schools have to start in mid August.
Maybe take away some of the in service days and
let kids have a full summer, or push it back

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to the end of school, back to a little bit later.
In May when it's actually warmer outside. I know parents
really like it. Kids are going back to school. They're
out of my hand. No, when we were kids, we
didn't go to school on August fourteenth. My dad would
have lost. Is really you take? My kids got to
start school in mid August. Sorry it wasn't always this way. Sorry.

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My generation of adults has chosen to ruin everything. Vote
now at Mulweger thanks to United Heartland Insurance five one
three seven four nine foot And I've talked to teachers
today who are like, Buddy, it ain't our choice. Like
I want to be in school on August fourteenth, how
about maybe not a week for Thanksgiving break? Take some

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of those days. Put him in August so a kid
can have a normal summer. Kids should be at a
swimming pool, are out doing stuff with their friends in
August August.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
There are very few things I feel more strongly about
than this.

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By the way, I might not have a more emphatic
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Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Hi, Tony, how's it going?

Speaker 12 (01:06:55):
I know how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Can you describe for our audience in specific detail how
bad the Bengals offensive line was today?

Speaker 11 (01:07:04):
Statistically, they had a twelve play drive that moved down
the field and resulted in a T. Higgins touchdown, although
if you watch the replay of that, that play probably
ends in a TJ. Slayton sack. After that, call it
what you want touchdown. The first team offense had four
consecutive drives that went three and out. If you were counting,

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you probably counted four maybe five sacks. There was a
potential interception, there were two false starts, two delays a
game with the first team offense alone, I think that
would pretty much sum up how bad it was today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Why is the Bengals offensive line so bad?

Speaker 11 (01:07:44):
I have no idea. I thought upgrading at guard would
fix a lot. I thought it would help Ted Terris
now Orlando Brown Junior didn't practice today. But you know
you're you're just not seeing the protection especially. Look, I
hope and I think the defense is improving. But the

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defense was not able to provide any type of pass
rush against the Philadelphia Eagles second and third team offensive line,
so they shouldn't be able to provide pressure at Joe
Burrow against the first team offensive line at practice, and
yet as we sit here and watch, that's exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
What they do.

Speaker 11 (01:08:21):
That to me is such a huge problem right now
for this team, and as you get to this point
in camp, it's too late.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:08:28):
I don't know what you do to fix it because
I don't know that the answer is on the current roster.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Yeah, the answer might be on a roster of another
team right now. And that's fine, Yeah, cutdown day. But
for an offensive line that we thought needed a slight
overhaul to now be talking about an answer coming on
cutdown day is at least a little disheartening.

Speaker 11 (01:08:50):
Yeah, And again it's not it's just you're not seeing
the progression. If we're sitting here, like, you know what,
they were terrible to start camp, but they are getting better.
I just haven't seen them improve over the start of
training camp. And we know what they were last year,
and we know what they've been throughout this portion of
training camp. How long before you have to hit the
panic button if you're in the organization and say we

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cannot go into week one again. I hope Samar Stewart
and Joseph Osai and others have unbelievable seasons and unbelievable careers.
Neither of them right now are Miles Garrett. And in
a couple of weeks you're going to go against Miles Garrett,
Who's gonna line up all over the field. You cannot
be confident with what you've seen so far that you

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are doing everything you can to protect Joe Burrow at
this point.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
All right, Tony, we'll chat again coming up at five
forty five. I know you can't wait. All right, Well,
all right, there you go. Tony Bike joins us on
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On ESPN fifteen thirty, Molager, thanks for listening. Hopefully you're
having an awesome Wednesday. The Reds game is being delayed,
so they were supposed to start in about five minutes
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the game is not going to start on time. So
hang out with us instead. We can beat the banana phones.
Hunter Green is going to get the ball. I assume
he's still going to pitch even though the game is
being with Hunter Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
You know, you never know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Hey, the game was going to start at five to ten,
and if it's not a five to ten, I'm not pitching.
Who knows. But Hunter Green is scheduled to make his
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There's no ballgame right now, so crack open a nice
called mic Ultra and enjoy some some sports talk radio.
I can think of no better way to spend a
Thursday afternoon. We uh, we're gonna we're gonna kind of
take the bait here, kind of take the bait from
Chris Knty of on Sportsmanlike on ESPN Radio. We're gonna

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do that a little bit later on plus Tony Pike
one more time from Bengals training camp. But we have
folks who have been waiting, and I genuinely don't like
making people wait, and so we take them in order
as we get them, and so I appreciate everybody's patients. Jason,
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Jason, good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I'm good now, I'm well, what's up?

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
So before I get to the reading I called is
I'm fifty five and I went to school between in
the mid seventies to the mid eighties, and we started
on the Tuesday before Labor Day every year. So we
went to school Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Didn't have a
three day weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yes, Labor Day, Yes, yeah, I remember this. I remember this.
I remember going to school right right before Labor Day.
You would go for a couple of days and then
Labor Day was always a big deal. And then you'd
come back, and that kind of felt like the real
start of the school year kind of really didn't feel
like it really started until right after Labor Day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And now we're going in mid August.

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
That's that's ridiculous. I think I was still playing baseball
in mid August. I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yes, yeah, it's ridiculousulous. It drives me nuts. I feel
for kids.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's it's poorderline, child abuse, I think.

Speaker 11 (01:12:55):
All.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
So the real reason I called it was so I
looked up se UCLA twenty eighteen point spread. There's anywhere
between fifteen and a half and sixteen and a half. Yes,
so I look up U see versus Nebraska and it's
like six and a half. No, I'm not a I'm
not a huge gambler. I just you know, every now

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and then. But I was expecting to see three three
and a half four, based on it basically being a
home game for Nebraska. Should I be worried?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
You thought the spread would be closer? Yes, yes I did.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it would be
right about where it is. I thought it would be
about a touchdown. Our boss is a huge Nebraska fan,
DJ Hodge, and so we have been talking about this
since well before the numbers came out, and we were
trying to guess, and he asked me what my thought was,
and I my take was it was going to be

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maybe closer to seven and a half or eight, and
so I was a little bit surprised when it was
as low as six and a half. We ask Scott Springer,
who covers the Bearcats, what he thought, and this was
a couple of weeks ago, and he said he would
have it at about three and a half. Scott, for
all of his attributes, is not a handicapper. I think
six and a half is about where it should be.

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I thought it would actually be slightly higher. It is
going to be basically a Nebraska home game. They have
a quarterback who I think a lot of people feel
like has more upside. Nebraska is expecting the traditional year
three Matt rule bump. The big question with them and
him is can they be better in one possession games.

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They're being looked at as a dark horse, and dark
horse means unlikely, but dark horse college football playoff contender
in the otherwise stacked Big Ten. And I'm not sure
any of that is being said about U. See I
think Nebraska probably has more known quantities than the Bearcats
do at this point.

Speaker 8 (01:14:55):
Do you think you see has gotten as far as
size wise, just in general, just size wise. Are they
competitive now? I feel like the first year or so
they were just a little bit smaller.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
No question, they I mean two years ago, especially that
late in the season when their death got tested, they.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Were pushed around.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
I think they're they're I think they're bigger, but I
think they're more physical. And you know, being more physical
doesn't necessarily have to mean bigger. I know, and look,
every coach, every program, every strength coach is going to
spend all off seasons and we worked on being more physical.
I do believe that's been such a genuine point of
emphasis that they will be Look, this is their third
year in the Big twelve. They're supposed to be better

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equipped to match the physicality of, in Nebraska's case, a
Big Ten team or the teams they play in the
Big twelve. But what stood out to me I went
to practice yesterday and I made this remark to two
folks who have been there for every practice. They just
seem to have a lot more team speed, especially on offense.
I really do worry about their second there's a whole

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lot of like, who's going to do what back there.
I think they're going to benefit dramatically from being healthier
on the defensive line than they were at the start
of last season. Obviously getting a normal offseason for Dante Corleone.
But I'm slightly drinking the kool aid when it comes
to their skill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
The big question for me is does Brendan Sores be
shake whatever it was that kept him from being so
gun shy in the last half of the season last year.
And if the answer is yes, and they are better
on the outside, then I think this offense could could
take off.

Speaker 8 (01:16:32):
Cool you talked me off the lidge, man, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Did what I can.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Jason, thanks so much. I think I think six and
a half. I thought it would be like closer to
seven and seven and a half or eight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
You know, the comparisons between that game and UCLA A
lot of people have made him I remember the UCLA
game very well. I didn't remember the spread being that high.
It was fifteen and a half. Nobody gave him a
chance to win that game. But last year's UC team,

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which lost their last five games last season's u SE team,
I believe was actually better than Luke Fickle's first team.
Luke Fickles first team was four and eight. They won
three games that quite legitimately were swung by a play.

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They were damn close to finishing as bad as one
and eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
They were awful that season.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
College football has changed, but that season, like Luke Fickle,
had generated a lot of excitement for recruiting. But that
first year, with what Tommy Tumberville senator Tommy Tumberville had
done to the program, nobody would have achieved better results.
And so the points spread there was a lot. There

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was a lot less turnover back then. That was pre
transfer portal. You know, it feels like yesterday, but in
some respects it was lifetimes ago. So that twenty eighteen
U SEE team a lot of freshmen, a lot of
guys who hadn't played. But I think it was it
was a little bit easier to set lines back then
because there was just so much turnover. It was a

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lot easier to predict how teams were going to be. Now,
the bookmakers got it wrong, The Candycappers got it wrong,
because the Bearcats won that game and won it going away,
and UCLA. That season ended up being atrocious, but I
think that was a real direct reflection of how bad
the Bearcats were the season prior. Last year's U SEE team,
I believe, as bad as they were down the stretch,

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was actually better than Luke Fickle's first team. And again
not Luke Fickle's second, third, fourth, or fifteen, but its
first one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
I never would have thought that the spread would be
fifteen and a half. I guessed it would be about
six and a half, seven and a half, maybe eight.
It is basically going to be a Nebraska home game.
LA There's a lot to like about him. I think
the big question for that program is going to be
can Matt Rull be better in one score games? The
first two years he has not been very good. But

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I also to feel like they have more known quantities.
If you talk to people who follow college football closely,
or if you talk to people who know a lot
about Nebraska football, they would they there's more that I
think they would be able to kind of hang their
hat on with that team than U See's. And by
the way, Nebraska last year, you know, their highest profile
game was against Colorado and they physically man handled Colorado

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physically man handled them. Are they going to be able
to do that against UC? If the answer is yes,
Nebraska is probably gonna win. If you see can finally
match a P four schools physicality up front, then they're
gonna have a puncher's chance. We will see It's it's
in fifteen days. Scott's Adderfield's got to win this season

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more than anything right now. He's got re energize the
fan base. He's got to good people to perk up.
He's got a golden opportunity at Aarrawhead Stadium, which, by
the way, we'll be doing this show from two weeks
from tomorrow looking forward to that. It's fun to get
a UC football call. All right, we have other folks waiting.
We have to address Chris Canty for the first time
and for it because he asked a question about Joe

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Burrow and I'm I'm here to help. I'm here to
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Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Every day maybe hopefully be nice. Uh, what's happening right
now in the ball game? No word from gabp Red's
and Phillies in a delay?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
It doesn't look like it's raining here in Kenwick? Obviously,
you know weather's weird. I mean I've there have been
plenty of times where like it has been pouring here
and I'll call, you know, I'll be on my way
home and call my wife and on the west side
it's like, what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Did it rain?

Speaker 15 (01:21:38):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
She's like, the hell you talking about? Do we know?
Is it raining downtown? Still?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Is this one of those deals where it's a cloud delay,
or it's a delay because they think some bad weather's
gonna come, has trained not shown up yet, and they're
buying some time for them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Do we know anything. I just got word from our
friend Yate six five, first pitch.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Six five, first pitch, like someone worked. This is how
it should be. They should not be playing home games
while we're on the air. They should wait until our
show is over. Our show will be over at six,
the game will start at six oh five.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
This is perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Nothing against Freddie Coleman and Harry Douglas. But I will
be listening to the Reds ball game, the Red's ball game.
That's my grandmother used to say, the Reds game on
the way home. All right, I want to get to
folks who are waiting, but first we have to do this.
So Lewis Riddick, I guess, was on one of those
shows on ESPN where a yell and scream at each
other about sports, and he talked about how the Bengals

(01:22:34):
are wasting Joe Burrow's talents. They're wasting him. That's a
take that a lot of his have. It's a smart take.
Last year, the Bengals wasted an MVP caliber season from
Joe Burrow. That's I think all most inarguable. Chris Canty
took issue at that. Here is what he had to
say about Joe Burrow. He's wondering stuff. You'll hear it

(01:22:57):
right now. You heard it this morning on Unsportsmanlike on
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 15 (01:23:02):
Top three quarterback based on all the metrics that we
measure quarterbacks by, except for the ones that matter the most.
He hasn't won any Super Bowls, He's never been an
All Pro, He's never won an MVP. I don't understand

(01:23:24):
how Lewis Riddick, who was responsible in part for building
NFL teams across two different franchises, could say something so asinine.
How are the Cincinnati Bengals wasting Joe Burrow's talent when
Joe Burrow is leveraging his talent to have the exact

(01:23:45):
team around him that he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
How is that on the Bengals. Joe Burrow was.

Speaker 15 (01:23:51):
The one taping for his wide receivers to get paid.
He's the one that wanted to keep those guys around.
And now Joe Burrow has seventy million dollars in receivers.
Joe Burrow gets paid full freight at quarterback. He's getting
fifty five million dollars a year. This team spends more
on the cap in terms of percentage of cap on

(01:24:11):
offense than any other team in the NFL. How are
the Cincinnati Bengals wasting Joe Burrow? Cincinnati Bengals are doing
everything that they can to make the most out of
Joe Burrow's talent. It just so happens that their roster construction,
their overall football philosophy does not lead to success at

(01:24:33):
the highest.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Level of the sport year over year. That's why they
spent the.

Speaker 15 (01:24:37):
Last two years on the outside looking into the postseason.
So I keep coming back to this, how are the
Cincinnati Bengals wasting Joe Burrow? Are you trying to make
the argument that you don't think Zach Taylor is a
good coach? Okay, I'm willing to entertain that. But the
Cincinnati Bengals are doing exactly what Joe Burrow wants them

(01:24:58):
to do. You know how, I know that Joe Burrow
told us what he wanted them to do early in
this offseason, and they capitulated to almost all of the
things that he quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Demanded, why is he so mad?

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Like, even if you agree with his points, why is
Chris it's sports, it's football.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Why are you so mad? It's morning show.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Bengals did capitulate to Joe Burrow. He did gave him
what he wanted for twenty twenty five and beyond. How
about when the Bengals had Joe Burrow playing under a
rookie contract. They made the Super Bowl, which was awesome.
Why did they lose it? Because the offensive line was
a disaster. They blew an opportunity organizationally to win a championship.

(01:25:41):
You might say, well, they got there earlier than anybody
would have expected. Fair, You might say, you know, look
to the organization. Zach Taylor did a great job of
coaching around that awful offensive line. Cool when it came
time to block Aaron Donald, they couldn't because the offensive
line was a disaster. In that game, they had five
straight drives where they didn't move the ball. I think
got one first down. It's a wasted opportunity. It's one

(01:26:04):
that may present itself again, but it's a wasted opportunity.
They wasted that. They've not put Joe Burrow behind a
good offensive line. They have never put Joe Burrow behind
a good offensive line, and for most of those years
he's being paid a rookie scale. Rookie scale salary hasn't
been because of lack of effort. Spent a lot of
money on the offensive line, Leyle Collins, Remember how excited

(01:26:27):
we were for that. They've spent money on Orlando Brown.
They've drafted guys early in the offensive line. They haven't
put him behind a good offensive line. They haven't drafted
well on defense. Some players have gotten away. They've made
bad decisions about them by the way they Yes, they've
paid T Higgins. T Higgins made a lot of money
last year because he was playing under a franchise tag.

(01:26:49):
Five of their top ten highest paid players last season,
we're defensive guys. One was good, the rest not so much.
They signed T Higgins. They paid T Higgins because there's
nobody else on the roster to pay. Frankly, paying T
Higgins wasn't that heart of a decision because it wasn't
like you could look at T. Higgins or this other
dude on the team who was about to get away.

(01:27:10):
That's a reflection of port drafting, bad roster building. Yes,
they've wasted Joe Burrow's talents. Now there's some built in
stuff there. They didn't make the playoffs in twenty twenty
three mainly because Joe Burrow missed essentially the second half
of the season. There were other reasons. The defense slipped

(01:27:30):
that season from what it was the year before. Joe
Burrow also, you might argue got hurt because you know
he's playing behind an offensive line, and I kind of
feel like that injury isn't really fair to pin on
the offensive line. But if you want to go ahead,
last year, they had an MVP caliber season from their quarterback.
No QB in the league I believe handled the mechanics

(01:27:52):
of playing quarterback better than Joe Burrow last season. It
is unconscionable to have a season that good from that
position and not even make the playoff. By then, Jamar
Chase's second contract hadn't yet been done. They've had plenty
of opportunities to replace players via the draft and via
free agency, which smart teams do and keep this team

(01:28:15):
in a position where and compete for championships and has not. Yes,
they've wasted or are wasting Joe Burrow's talents, and it's
not nearly as much about twenty one to twenty two
and twenty three. It's more about this past season. This
past season. Yes, they as an organization, it is really

(01:28:35):
hard to get a better season from a quarterback than
the one that Joe Burrow had. They finished nine to eight,
didn't even play in a playoff game. That's wasting it.
I mean sorry, like that's that is on the organization.
That is on the coaching staff. By the way, the
Bengals told you the coaching staff last year wasn't great

(01:28:56):
because they fired a bunch of them, including the defensive
coordinator in the offensive line coach. That's wasting it. That's
how they're doing it. You got a hillatiously good season.
Look was Joe perfect?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Of course not.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
But if you watch the Bengals last season and decided
to write a list of all the things that plagued
them or all the reasons why they missed the postseason,
I mean you would have to get to like the
third page before you even mentioned any play by the quarterback,
much less quarterback play in general. You get QB play
that good, you're supposed to at worst be a playoff team.

(01:29:32):
Not only were they not a playoff team, Let's be honest,
they weren't really ever that close. Joe was awesome last
year by any measurement, eyeballs statistical, handled the ins and
outs of QB play better than anybody. I would argue
if they're a playoff team, he's probably the MVP that's

(01:29:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
The game is going to start.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
We're told. We're told now at six poh five. You
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going to pitch for the first time in forever. Christopher
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(01:31:25):
and key Brian Hayes he is playing third base and
batting ninth. Reds are two up on or two behind
New York in the race for that last wildcard spot.
Mets played the Phillies tonight. Cardinals in action. The Cardinals
are now two and a half behind the Reds after
losing at home to the Rockies by a score of
six to five. Cincinnatreil, San Diego by five and a half.

(01:31:46):
Padres are blowing out the Giants ten zip the score there.
What else do we have? Florence on the road tonight
against Ottawa. Miles Murphy did not practice today, Orlando Brown
did not practice today, but oh my god, Shamar Stewart did.
Bengals do not practice tomorrow. They're back at it Friday.
We'll have the AE Door and Window Tony Emo Training
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(01:32:08):
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
All right, thanks to those who have waited patiently. Uh, Brian,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for hanging on, Brian.
How are you well?

Speaker 14 (01:32:19):
How are you doing, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I'm well?

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
What's up?

Speaker 12 (01:32:22):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (01:32:22):
Did Mims practice today?

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Marius Mims did practice today? Yes he did?

Speaker 14 (01:32:28):
And is that who Stuart was going up against today?

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Saw him against Marius Mims.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
But more than anything, he was they were stunting a lot,
so he was often being blocked or at least someone
was attempting to block him from the guard position.

Speaker 12 (01:32:44):
And we have two new guards.

Speaker 14 (01:32:46):
That is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
That is correct?

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
Okay? Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:32:51):
The reason I was calls because at three or five
today when I pick you up we're talking about. You
were talking about how well Stuart and I didn't know
if he was going up against Mems or if he
was going up against Orlando Brown, but he said he
can practiced today. So yes, I'm just kind of curious.

(01:33:11):
If we didn't have our starters in and he's going
up against guys who aren't gonna be our starters, obviously
he's gonna be better than going up against our backups.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Yeah, no doubt curious, No, he so he was, he was,
He was often.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Lucas Patrick blocked him at one point.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
It wasn't that it wasn't that much after he you know,
hit and I'll use hitting quotes Joe Burrow where Lucas
Patrick blocked him and and blocked him and drove him
to the ground pretty emphatically. I saw Cody Ford on
him because Orlando Brown didn't go. I don't necessarily recall
seeing a Marius Mimes block Shamar Stewart. I certainly won't

(01:33:50):
say it didn't happen, but it felt like most of
the time that I saw Shamar Stewart being disruptive, the
person attempting to block him was a guard.

Speaker 14 (01:33:59):
Gotcha, okay, brother, Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
Man.

Speaker 14 (01:34:02):
I was just curious that because obviously I want him
to do well, but I also want him to be
going up against those starters because well, frankly, that's what
he's gonna be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
And he starts playing out, no, no, no doubt about it, Brian,
thanks for the phone call, No no question about it. Look,
he's We'll see how he does on Monday. The Washington Commanders,
I think, are going to play their main guys. The
other part of that is, and I haven't seen anything
about these specifics regarding Orlando Brown, but I know some

(01:34:34):
are going to make a face when I say this.
I'm not sure there's a player on offense they could
afford to lose for an extended period of time more
than Orlando Brown who's not Joe Burrow. Now okay, yes,
Jamar Chase and T Higgins are great, and Chase Brown's awesome.
I feel like because of who they have throwing the football,
they they can figure it out if one of those

(01:34:54):
players had to miss an extended amount of time. And
let's face it, T Higgins has you know, multiple years,
If Orlando Brown had to miss a lot of time,
and now you've got to employ the swing tackle. Given
the fact that right now I'm not sure who it is.
That's not a that's not a proposition. I want to
contend with, Uh, mister Ace, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
What's up?

Speaker 12 (01:35:15):
Man? Most now got my hands full of to help
with my niece and messy the day before school. And
I guess sometimes with kids get excited a lot of
going to school.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
But they're excited for school tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:35:30):
Colin, I don't know if I can say I'm excited,
but I mean the kids stay closer. I mean, we
stay closer to the kids' school. So mister and missus
Ace get to get to see kids to school tomorrow
just because our house I think is convenient. And I
don't know, maybe mister Ace and missus Ace might be

(01:35:51):
kind of awesome people.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
I don't know missus Ace, but I talked to mister
Race all the time, and I would say, yes, awesome.

Speaker 12 (01:36:00):
But mo man, I gotta say, man, I think I
don't know if Melms got to block Chamar enough yet,
or if mister Brown got to block Chamar enough yet.
But I don't think we need Chamar wrapping up North
forming our quarterback in any way, shape, form or fashion.

(01:36:22):
I don't know if they should actually even do a
whole thing, And I guess this will kind of be
a softy rule, but I think the NFL for preseason
should adopt a three second wrap our flag football mod
for quarterbacks for sacks, just because we don't want to
see any quarterbacks going down in games pre season, right,

(01:36:44):
just to slightly poked the bear Shamar, since he did
get close to quarterbacks often and was very disruptive, maybe
flag football and preseason would really motivate him a lot.
If he does come close and didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
College would have been a great flag football player.

Speaker 12 (01:37:06):
You want to be a great flag football player. Like
I come from a sales background where you have to
close deals, and I mean, shoot, second place is not
closed deals. That's stranger things has happened. Maybe Shamar Stewart
and Mims and Brown can now dognate to the to

(01:37:30):
the fun PJ. Jewels fund. And And I actually been waiting.
I was like, you know, what are some of the
most unique players that we've had company Cincinnati in recent years?
Was just unique names and guys like Gunner Kill come
up in my mind, who I think well, and I'm

(01:37:52):
not even gonna lie. I thought he got screwed out
of really being what he could have been potentially as
a quarterback. But he can't. I can't talk about spilled
milk at this point. Another player I guess that had
like the unique name. I think you may.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Remember Billy Bean Bill Billy Bean.

Speaker 12 (01:38:14):
The Cincinnati Rid. Yeah, Billy Bean, Billy Bansk That's what
I'm at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah yeah. Bean was the guy for Oakland.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
My bad Bean is the Billy Bean is the general
manager of the Oaklands, who played briefly in the mid
eighties for the Mets and the Minnesota Twins.

Speaker 12 (01:38:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why make the two
being Billy's up, but sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
It happens to him both quite often.

Speaker 12 (01:38:43):
Probably so. Probably so one I guess had a whole
lot more lastivity.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
To his name, no question, I.

Speaker 12 (01:38:55):
Guess. I'd say, like I guess, if we can, if
we can have our players to make a lasting impression
for a long time, and PJ. Jewles possibly starts and
all that stuff, and it goes for more than just
maybe all our laughter and stuff and pumping up him
making his tackles and the Bengals maybe even I don't

(01:39:16):
know him sneaking in a couple of starts or something
like that. Hey, then it's a whole lot more than
just combo. It really does come down to him laying
down from lumber on the field man. And we could
say we predicted that, yes, yes, little kid, Yes we
can say we could say yes, yes, yes he did produce.

(01:39:39):
And that did not coach her to say that. She
actually went inside, so I could tell him.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
All right, very good, very good.

Speaker 12 (01:39:46):
Well I think she's a PJ Jewels fan too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
That makes three of us were all PJ Jewles fans.
Miss Race.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
It's awesome to hear you tell your nieces and nephews
to enjoy the first day of school.

Speaker 12 (01:39:57):
Enjoyed school from mold.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Yeah, sorry, you're going on August fourteenth, but that's a
different story, mister Race.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Thank you. I appreciate the phone call. Mike. Go ahead,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty high Mike.

Speaker 12 (01:40:13):
I'm come.

Speaker 16 (01:40:14):
Yeah, I know this Labor Day in school, thank's crazy.
Nineteen fifty seven Mount Washington Elementary. We never started before
Labor Day weekend was over.

Speaker 12 (01:40:25):
And then as I went and you know, went through.

Speaker 16 (01:40:27):
Junior high and whatever up to Wallet Hills. Then we
would go for a couple of days, like you said before,
the after the Memorial Day holiday and m start, and
then we would we would finish the first week in
August or I'm sorry, June without fail. Yes, so I
empathized with the nonsense you're going to hey by the way,

(01:40:47):
with Crosley.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
Do you ever call her path No, No, I call
her I call her kiddo, I call her monkey, I
call her cross I've never called.

Speaker 8 (01:40:57):
Her paths.

Speaker 16 (01:41:00):
Cross with. Evidently they're giving Pat Murphy a lot of
credit for the success of the Brewers. That's what some
of the players are saying from the Brewers squad. I
don't know if you heard that today on ESPN. I
thought it was pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
They've won twelve straight games after winning today. Pat Murphy
was the National League Manager of the Year last season.
One of my best friends is a huge Brewers fan,
and he and I went to the ball game last
night and he said to me, Pat Murphy is a
terrible game manager, but the players seem to love him.
They play for him, and he's fostered great chemistry.

Speaker 8 (01:41:36):
There.

Speaker 16 (01:41:37):
Here's another quickie. Last night I kept thinking, Singer looks
like an ex Red picture. I know he does, and
I finally figured out it's Tim Belcher. He looks exactly
like Tim Belcher.

Speaker 8 (01:41:50):
Check it out.

Speaker 16 (01:41:51):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
I remember Tim Belcher. Well, I've watched Brady Singer all season.
I haven't necessarily made the connection, but I will ensure.
We'll make sure that I use the internet and see
if the two bear the resemblance that you described.

Speaker 16 (01:42:06):
And instead of being a kineologist, as you said earlier, kinesiologist,
you're gonna have to be an entomologist if you keep
getting eight up with the bugs in training.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
The bugs this morning a training camp were brutal. I'm
not gonna lie to you. We got bitten up pretty bad.
That has not been the case this morning was I've
still got the marks on my legs. We got chewed
up pretty good at training camp today. But at least
we were allowed to be there.

Speaker 16 (01:42:31):
No, that's cool. Yeah, that's real cool. And another Red
that people forget about as Pete Shirrick, who in nineteen
ninety five finished second to Great Maddox for the cy
Young Award.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Nineteen ninety five Reds had Pete Shark, they had John
Smiley Jose Rio got injured. That year, they acquired David
Wells pete shark pitch an absolute masterpiece in Game one
of the National League Championship Series against the Atlanta Braves.
But we hit into five double plays that night, lost
an extra and got swept in the series.

Speaker 16 (01:43:02):
Yeah, that was a killer.

Speaker 11 (01:43:03):
Which Browning was pitching two on that squad?

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Tom Browning was not on that squad.

Speaker 16 (01:43:07):
Now, okayms the weft shortly before that. Thanks for the info.
We have a great first day of school tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
I guess the headliner of the day we Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
Now we can tell him, Look, man, you can't touch
the merchandise. You can't hurt Joe Burrow ratcheted back just
a little bit. But man, I'll tell you what It
was impossible to ignore how effective he was and how
disruptive he was.

Speaker 11 (01:44:38):
No, and I think he's shown that consistently throughout his
opportunities at training camp, though, I think they at this
point you have to feel really good about the player
you got at number seventeen. With what he's able to
do on the field. We're now seeing him involved in
some stunts they're changing up what he's able to do
and not do out there on the field a little
bit more. He's clearly wreaking havoc and the set the

(01:45:00):
record because I know there's a lot of back and forth.
I don't blame Shamar Stewart at all today for getting
in the lap of Joe Burrow. He was losing his balance,
Lucas Patrick pushed him, he fell into Joe Burrow. Is
it unfortunate?

Speaker 8 (01:45:12):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:45:13):
Do you want to lay off? Absolutely? But if I've
got a field of eleven guys that pushed the envelope,
I'd like that a lot more than guys that are
timid or guys that don't have intensity. We have been
asking for someone on defense to play with a chip
on their shoulder, someone to play with a little bit
of an edge, and we are seeing that from Shamar

(01:45:33):
Stewart at practice. I don't think we should disparage that.
I think we have a teaching moment say hey, you
can't touch him, don't get in the vicinity, but also
don't stop doing what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
At this point, Shamar Stewart was the headliner, but I thought,
is his weekend dwell on how poorly the offense performed
and how bad the offensive line was today was a
win for Al Golden. I'm giving him the D back
at least for today.

Speaker 11 (01:45:56):
I like that he receives the D back in his
last name. Now, Friday, we'll see what happens because everyone
knows how bad it was for the old line today,
So we'll see what happens Friday. But look, they showed
a little bit more today. They showed some stunts, they
showed a couple pressures. They're doing things that you want
a defense to be able to do. And I think
Austin made a good point earlier as well. They tried

(01:46:18):
the base defense, then they tried to allow players to
win one on one battles, and in the first opportunity
they couldn't. So now, as a decordinator, maybe you've got
a scheme ways around being able to help your guys out.
And I think today was the first we've really seen
of that of mixing different looks up on the line,
giving a quarterback different variables that he's got to deal with.
And if you take today for an example, the defense

(01:46:41):
they succeeded in that they won the day against the
first team offense for the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Tony Pike joins us on the race Aint Claire Roofing Hotline.
He is back for since e three to sixty tomorrow
at noon. And he and I returned together on the
eighty Doring Window Tony and Mode Training Camp Show Friday
morning at ten o'clock from Bengals Training Camp. Our show
is over, We're done tomorrow. In the show, Heidi Watney
is going to be on the program. First time I've
ever called the show a program. She's with Apple TV.

(01:47:07):
She's on Red's Brewers this weekend. Also Chad Brenda on
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Hunter Green's return tonight, which is mere minutes away. Thanks
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