Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Football I in the Natti, brought to you in
part by Postman Law and Vice Skyline Chile on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals, podcasting.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
From Oakley Greens because it's Tuesday. Also on Tuesday, and
we talked with our guys, Sean Sayed. He is one
of the authors of these Stats and Scheme newsletter, which
if you want to be a smart, well informed, articulate
football fan, you should subscribe to.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's awesome to have you correct me if I'm wrong.
You have a law background, right.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Oh, yes, you know.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
It may be better today if I had a medical background,
but Joe Burrow, But yeah, you're right, the background is
in the law.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Do you know if it's possible for me to sue
the Bengals for the amount of emotional distress they caused me?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Look, ma, I always tell me that you can sue
anyone for whatever you want. Now, the results, much like
what it feels like when I got myself into this
for a second through a year, be exactly what you want.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
But now do I think your time might be better considering
Jake Browning and some quarterback trades? Maybe? But you help
you follow that lawsuit. Please don't tell them that I send.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So you're an x's and OS guy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, there's the sort of basic take, right, The Bengals
don't do enough to protect Joe Burrow. The offensive lines
are never great pass block win rate. They're always awful schematically.
Whenever Joe Burrow comes back, which is could be at
the end of the season, could be next year, whenever
it is, what can they do schematically with an offensive
(01:36):
line that isn't great, that that better protects him.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's a great question.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
There are absolutely things you can do to mitigate the
amount of like hard direct pass stats for your offensive line.
So it is hard to play offensive line. It is
hard to, for fifty or whatever thirty five stats a game,
get into your pass that directly one on one when
the defensive end knows exactly what what a lot of
teams are doing now more often is you're getting these
(02:04):
play action type plays that allow the offensive line to
make it feel like a run play and the defensive
line is taking a bit of a stutter step.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Now you're getting your quarterback moving out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
A lot of times you're seeing a guard pull from
the left side all the way to the right side,
so you don't have situations where we remember a few
years ago where Rock Purty gets hurt in the NFC
Championship game against the Eagles, when you have kind of
a tied end on a defense and end, so you
can try those things.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's hard because.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Eventually you're probably gonna find yourself in a situation where
you have to be like in a everyone knows a
pass game or a pass is going to happen. So
when you have studs on the outside like Higgins and Chase,
you can keep your tight ends in closer and.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Get in to have your pass protection. That has a
bunch of downstream issues. So it's it's.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Mostly to me about you can limit the amount of
just pure drop back pass situations for your offense of line,
but no, you know you can't hide from that forever.
We have thought with the Saints a little bit last
year where the first two games is you have a
ton of play action. These guys are just killing defenses.
Eventually you're gonna have to play on one on one
type snap.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And you're gonna see if you're gonna be able to
win or lose.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So everything you said makes sense. Except the Bengals offensive line.
It's it's hard to say that they have a strength,
but if they have when it's pass blocking, and so,
can you do this behind a group of offensive linemen
that aren't known as great run blockers.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I do think you can because it's not like you're because.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You're not run blocking, right, You're making it seem like
you're run blocking, So you don't.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I mean, now another side of that is like, well,
how convince him?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Like, if I'm going up against the Bengals, I know
what you're trying to do here. You're trying to get
the bultae ofmar Chase and t Higgins as much as
I talk about.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Chase Brown on these shows every single.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Week, But it's more about, well, are you getting like
a compelling reason to the d to believe what you're
feeding them?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So are you getting under center and running the ball
at times?
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Are you in the shotgun like pulling alignment out and
like really attacking downhill in the run game, So that
that's the question where to me, it's a little bit
less about are you a good run blocker and more
is your team like actually the convincing the defense that
this stake is that could potentially be something real.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Sean said, is with a stats and scheme newsletters, So
you know, okay, put them under center more fine, But
this is a shotgun lead, right, Basically two thirds of
snaps are taken with the quarterback and the shotgun, And
so like, why do other teams have this figured out
and figure out a way to keep their quarterback up
right if they're operating in the gun Maybe not quite
(04:47):
as often as Joe Burrow, but still the majority of
the time that the Bengals can't to the degree that
it might make sense to have Joe play under center.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
You know, the Eagles are a team that they're gonna
play like a crazy amount of shotgun snapped every season,
Like they're not. They Yes, they've gotten understander a little
bit more in this season, but they're not going to
be a heavy under center team. And they have what
I would probably call the best offensive line in the league.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So that is is certainly one way, MO.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
If you have a way for the Bengals to have
the best offensive line in the league, I think a
lot of people would pay you a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
For exactly that job.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I guess I'm not saying necessarily, Hey, we need to
see Joe Burrow under center for one hundred percent of
a snap so or even fifty percent of a stamp.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I don't want to make it seem like that.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I understand that, Like an offense should one like really
show your quarterback strength. I highlight your best players, Like
this offense is best when you're heavy.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You got to see with Jake Bradnet a little bit
where you're in the chokgun. Get the ball off quick
to your stars.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Jamar Taks is unable to be tackled, like it's against
his contract for anyone to be able to tackle. He
is that good, So I'm okay with the building of
the offense overall.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Also, like I mean, football is an injured guaranteed sport.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
The only way to kno get injured playing football is
by not playing football.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So I like, at the same time, do you want
to have Burrow just peak down any hit? Obviously not.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I just know I hate hate the conversation because I
want to say, oh, build a better offensive line.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Change your offense. Build a better offensive line.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah, guy, Like real real easy for you to say
that for your whole offense, Like, do I really even
want them to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm not even sure.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I think it's just about finding your kind of spot
here and there. And look, we saw the offense with
the backup quarterback previously. It look a little bit different.
Maybe it's another situation where you get to learn a
little bit more.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
About the team.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
But like, look, I'm not taking away bro superpower, Like
I just don't want him.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I hate that those play extensions often.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
We talked about it last week, right, Oh, he got
hit a bunch by the Browns, and like, getting hit
is not good for randuine health.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So it's a it's a it's a it's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Mah, Jake Browning. Look, there's familiarity.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
He's been with the team for a while now, there's
continuity with him, and he obviously doesn't get the majority
of snaps, but he has thrown a decent amount of
practice passes to you know, Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
He's played in big moments.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You know, there were two overtime games when he had
to start two years ago. The game this past Sunday
came down to the last play. Like if you have
to play your backup quarterback, ideally it's not for perhaps
as many as fifteen games, but you could certainly do
worse than Jake brown All of that said, he is
going to be thrown to a Brian Flores defense. So schematically,
(07:22):
where can they present Jake Browning's biggest issue on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I mean, what a guess, right, Like, hey, you get
the job that you even wanted to do your whole
entire life.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Across the side, you get Ryan Flora in his flat grim.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Pat So I will say that the Bengals have a
little bit more of a positive situation where like this
is the battle of the backup quarterbacks, where I thought
coming into the season, this is a game I had circled,
but now it's I mean Carson Wentz against Jake Browning
and then the Vikings ups have Aaron Jones.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I think just is going to be out for this game.
So for Browning.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Overall, like, you're gonna get fooled.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It doesn't matter if you were like the do you
like quarterback for seventy five years, You're going to that
fooled by the defense.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I think it's more about building in like when in doubt,
like take take your isolation shot.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Even when you're not in doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Take your isolation shot right, because the Vikings defense is
built on so many different things up front. In the secondary,
guys are going to be moving in different directions.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
At the end of the day, mo, it still is
going to come down to the ball is going to
be in the air.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
It's going to be Jamar Chase, and there's going to
be one guy post to him and one guy far
away from him, and like, I would rather be in
the situation rooms for the guy are rooting for Jamar Tase.
So can you create isolations just on the outside that
you like it forces you to bypass some of the
funky stuff that's going on underneath, or like, hey, I'm
gonna if I passed the ball once you have to
(08:41):
know that there is going to be like someone screaming
down in your neck. That's a big one overall. So
I feel like, oh, like the beangles should feel like
they're in a decent position even with the backup quarterback,
considering what's going on or what's going on in Minnesota previously.
And it's not the worst day to get heavy gets yourself,
can tight end on the field. You're able to see
(09:02):
the Vikings he get run on a little bit when
the Falcons got a little bit heavier on yeah, on
Sunday night of this week, so you can see maybe
the Bengals do that as well.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
To take a little bit of stress off the runner.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Is is Minnesota better with Carson Wentz than what I've
watched from seven out of eight quarters with JJ McCarthy, bro, Then.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean, like, can you get worse?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I'm not sure it's tough, right, it's essentially over a
peak quarterback obviously in your in your second year, I
mean we've seen a lot of Carson Wentz.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I'm like bastinating because I like, I love Kevin O'Connell
in terms of the offense that he runs, in terms
of the program that he's really built in Minnesota. So
I'm fascinated to.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
See, like, do we see an offense that actually looks
a little bit different, Like gives me a little bit
more comfortable calling some plays where McCarthy really like he's
like a low FREAKONCT throw to his west side. I
mean Carson Wentz like this is your shot, Like you
are in a fantastic environment, Like I mean, Daniel Jones
is thriving in Indianapolis, and now I don't think it's
all because he spent time with Kevin O'Connell. But like,
(10:00):
I'm sure like getting your confidence built back up in
that way what kind of nice?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
So I think about that question. But now now I'm stretching,
stretching my head a little bit. It could be true.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's rare that I give you something to think about.
So mission accomplished.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
No, appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
We'll talk next week.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Man, Thank you as always appreciate talking. That's our guy,
Sean Say at the Stats and Skiing Newsletter. Sumer sports
dot com is where you can go ahead and subscribe
to that. I should have let Sean plug that, but
it is terrific. It comes out multiple times per week
and they run through every game. They preview every game.
If you're into like strategies, if you're into like advanced football,
(10:42):
this is your guy, Sean sayaed the Stats and Scheme Newsletter.
It is twenty seven away from six o'clock. We have
not had the opportunity to open up the phone lines
this week because we've been busy.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
We're at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We're here till six, which means we have twenty seven
minutes to do exactly what I just said.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
We haven't had time to do.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
After sports headlines on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You've been listening to Football in the NATI, brought to
you by Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tafe Sheldon on
ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The University of Cincinnati Cancer Center has the most comprehensive
blood cancer center in the nation.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
The future of cancer care is here.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Call five one three five eighty five UCCC southbound seventy
one after Martin Luther King the right lane blocked off
from a disabled vehicle. Police are there on scene, blocking
the right lane as well, up to about a five
to ten minute delay. From data and another accident cleared
southbound seventy one seventy five at Donaldson.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I'm at ezelic with traffic