September 2, 2025 • 42 mins
Mo Egger and Paul Dehner Jr talks all thing Bengals and previews week 1 vs the Cleveland Browns
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the first game of the season and the Bengals
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they have to beat the Browns. Will Zach Taylor's team
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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time I show up here, I don't know when I'm
gonna stop saying it. I'm just gonna be thanking you
guys for coming oak We did.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
This for you. It feels like you did. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's okay, that's all right, no doubt about it. It's
awesome to have you. We have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
We have a game on Sunday, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I use one of my it is truthfully And
I say this whenever I'm on Bengals pregame, usually fifteen
minutes before kickoff, and that one before the opener. Every year,
I feel this sense of pure joy of like, I
love that moment right before the opener because we can
stop having to worry about the lies we've been told
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for nine months and all the truth has to come out.
And that's why I love week one. I love that
moment before week one, and I very much look forward
to being up there in Cleveland on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, one o'clock on Sunday, Bengals and Browns. We got
the first like regular season depth chart today, Yeah, which
is exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, as depth charts go, sure, exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's I suppose.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I would say it's the most exciting depth chart of
the year for you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, as depth charts go, I don't care about the
depth chart in in early August or late July, I
care about either, nor should they A few things on
the depth chart though. Lucas Patrick is the starting right
guard right which I'm not sure is a huge surprise.
How strong or not strong is his grip on the
starting right guard spot, you know, not super.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Strong, you know, I wouldn't say he's got like, you know,
very He's not like ripped in his forearms or anything
like that. I think you could get away. I could
get away, and I'm not strong right so, but I
think the other guys, Dalton Riisner, who just got here,
Jalen Rivers, the rookie are essentially waiting in the wings.
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I just think there's they have things working against them.
The Bengals don't wat two rookie guards out there in
week one, and I don't know that Dalton Reisner has
been here long enough where you can feel totally comfortable
with him knowing everything that they need to know immediately.
Lucas Patrick has been here. He has been in that
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spot essentially since you know, the beginning of OTAs, and
I just think he's the most stable answer right now
to me, the question with him was well, how beat
up is he? He's been dealing with injuries all camp,
his whole career mostly, but I mean this camp, he's
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been dealing with stuff. He was just out not too
long ago. So how can he get through a full game?
How how much is he compromised in what he's doing?
And if he's not at all, he's gonna be the
guy I you know, I have sort of said this.
I think that the idea that Dalton Reisner is the
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love child of Max Montoya and Anthony Munoz. According to
his fan base, it's insane. Yeah, I've never scene and
that's just nothing against Dalton. This is not this is
strictly I've just never seen the reaction of a fan base.
It was credible of somebody like this that it's it's fine,
like he's to me, he's Lucas Patrick. Yeah, they're the
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same kind of guy. Yeah, Okay, now, Peter p f
f grade. So don't look. I I when I talk
to people that have watched him and followed him, it's
there's a reason he's available. Yeah, there's a reason that
it's not expensive. There's a reason that we're sitting. I mean,
this is somebody who wasn't around again, Like I think
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he's just he is another Lucas Pattrick. They needed another
Lucas Patrick, they needed another option, and maybe this is
the right fit and all of this does work out
for him and he may be the guy sooner rather
than later. But I think there's some sort of idea
that they solved right, and it's just it's just that's
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not true.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I was sitting I was sitting on an airplane on
Wednesday afternoon of last week, waiting to fly to Kansas City.
So I was not on the air and I was
sitting a row in front of Tony Pike, and I
looked at Twitter and I saw the dult Reisner thing,
and then I was watching people react and I turned
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to him and I go, hey, the Riisner thing got done,
and He's like cool, and I go, am I missing
something here? Because there was a surge of optimism going
through this, and I'd be honest with you, part of
me really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Part of me really enjoyed it because have a moment.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, whether it's the performance of the defense in the preseason,
there's some of the questions about the offensive line, Like
there's a part of me that was enjoying people, making
it seem like the Bengals had suddenly locked down a
fifteen to two at worst record in the regular season.
But I'm I'm like adult Reisner, like I get his
last two contracts he signed late. This is kind of
his mo. But there is a reason why he was
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out there this late in the game. He may be
better than Lucas Patrick. He maybe just as good as
Lucas Patrick. He may give them a depth piece which
they badly needed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
But I he.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And I even did a segment and I go like, hey,
while we weren't on, they got the Dalton Reisner thing done.
And suddenly these guys should be odds on favorites to
win the AFC according to what I'm looking at. What
am I missing here? So there's my question for you,
What am I missing?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think I think there is an infatuation with things
like PFF grades right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And they serve their purpose, Yes, not at all.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think it's hard to do with the offensive line.
I think it's hard to find the nuance. And I
think that you can have players that are helped through
systems that are built to protect them and it's just
you you turn on the tape, you talk to the
people that have been there, that have watched it, that
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have scouted, and and you end up you have a
different view than maybe what some grades might show it.
And so I just I also look at just common
sense of this league is dying for offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Every team, Every.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Team wants offensive line help, Every team hates their depth today.
And you mean to tell me that's the case, and
you have somebody who could apparently solve it that was
just been sitting out there for months. I don't I
listen to the league when it speaks that way. And
so it's again, it's not to say that this wasn't
a good acquisition for this team. He might not be
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fine here or any of that, but just in comparison
to what we've seen, it's just a little over the top.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
My expectations for this team this season and what I
think is the most likely outcome is the same as
it was before Dolbin Reisman. That's no knock on him. Again,
it's no knock on the acquisition. But oh boy, and
again like it was a big, big part of me.
That's like cool, we're back. People are walking around on
social media, at least with some swagger. That's that's kind
of good. There's a so we're really doing this feel
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to what they're doing in safety. So that's kind of
where we are. I mean, you know, we talked about
a little bit this morning on the Growler, but you know,
last last week you were here, it was cut down day, right,
four o'clock cut down day. They're down to fifty three.
And then it's but they're gonna go shopping. They're gonna
go shopping, they're gonna be perusing the waiver wire. All
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the solutions are gonna are gonna be they're gonna present
themselves in the form of players cut by other teams.
And then at noon the next day.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
None, none, And there were some available. Yeah, there were
some that weren't even picked up. You know that would
that would have made plenty of sense. And I guess
I guess it's something to say, we like PJ. Jewles
your guy. Yeah, and yeah, again, it's like this comes
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across as I'm not this is not a knock on PJ.
Jewles is a fine story. Yeah, it's just there. I
don't know how you look at this and say, eh,
we shouldn't add here, we shouldn't supplement to this that
won't come back to bite you at all, really really
doing this there, and there's just at every step of
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the way this offseason to literally the final till right now. Yes,
there's still a step available. You could make a move
to solidify that room. They have money, they have the spot,
they have the option, like you could bring somebody in
there who could make you feel more comfortable if something
happens to Geno Stone or to Jordan Battle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I would have wagered a large amount of money the
day after last season ended that at some point, first wave,
a free agency, second wave, a free agency draft, those
post draft free agents, cut down day, a trade somewhere,
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a safety was gonna materialize. If you would have said,
let's wager an amount of money. Mo, let's do it.
I would have said, Oh okay, cool, I get free
agency ABC, all those different waves of free agency, I
get the draft, I get cut down to I get trades.
There'll be a safety somewhere. We lost a lot of money,
a lot. We're really doing this.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We're really doing this. And you know who thought we'd
say this? Man, if they lose Geno Stone.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, the guy that I couldn't wait to cut when
last season ended now might be the most indispensable guy
who they gave.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
A pay cut too. So I just you know, I yeah,
I think there's a huge question. And to me, the
the variable's kind of become the variable in the question
of the entire season right now is they made this bet,
this huge bet on this secondary, and they said we're
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not adding we Al Golden says, I showed up on
day one and I loved what I saw from these corners.
I love this secondary. I I'm in on these guys
right this is I'm not gonna go try to We're
not gonna try to find anybody else. We're not gonna
add draft picks. Uh. We're going with these guys and
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we are gonna build. They're gonna be the reason this
defense digs itself out. Is gonna be Dax Hill and
Can Taylor Britt and DJ Turner and Josh Newton and
Jordan Battle and Gino Stone and others like them that
are hanging out in the background. Perhaps, and that's gonna
be the reason. What a huge bet on zero real
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proof of concept in terms of consistency over an entire
season for any of them, And maybe maybe it does
come together, But I think it's the biggest variable that
can define whether this team is real. Like let's talk
about this team in terms of the super Bowl or oh,
that's a cute story. Burrows got that great offense again.
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That's because I can see the rest of it. I
can I can see the defense, sensive line, I can
see Trey and I can spy Schamar and the mixing,
the Chris Jenkins leap and yeah, and I can buy
Logan Wilson as a stabilizing force and Demetrius Knight's mature.
Everything happening up front, like you're you're not gonna say
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that's a great like the greatest group, but you can
see enough of it. What's happening back there is very
much buying a vision that's just not really been totally
proven before. And that's fine and andy, But I mean,
what a wide range of outcomes that will really go
to decide this team season. Because if they're good, if
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they if they were right, if that BET's proven right,
this team is in a super Bowl conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Without question, without question, without questions.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But if they're wrong, everybody getting fired again, Like that's
on the table.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
The fallout from wrong is massive issue. If they get
it right. Duke Tobin should get Executive of the Year
for literally doing nothing. Legitimately, he he built a super
Bowl team. No he didn't. He stood there and just
watched Al Golden coach it up.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He said, I've already got a super Bowl team. It
was just it was just the coaching.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow, all right, we're really doing this. Man. I just
there's I just I fear. I fear Sunday or some
point really early in the season, somewhere in the third quarter,
I'm gonna go to Twitter and I'm gonna be in
a dark place when i have to tweet about the
GENO when saw this coming at safety? Yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's uh, it's on the table. There's I mean, there's
no doubt, but maybe it works out. I think there's
a lot to like in the secondary. I really do
like these There's a lot to bet on there. I
can understand it. It's just when you have all the.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Variables, Well, that's the thing. Like, I think a lot
of those individual players are worth keeping and betting on,
and there's a lot of upside. I still think you
could believe that believe that it made sense to bring
someone in. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's room for
multiple trups like Cam Taylor Brick could still be a
really good corner in this league. And if daxx Hill
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can stay healthy, perhaps we see him repurposed as a
corner and how that's gonna work. And maybe Genos don't
just had a bad year last year. Like all these
things could be end up being true and you could
allow for them, but also acknowledge that maybe one other
person who plays one of those two positions might have
made sense to bring in.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A single insurance from outside. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
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The Growler podcast, latest episode dropped earlier this afternoon. You
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Speaker 3 (15:44):
C you did. You're not still wearing it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Did it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Get strip?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I had a hoodie on, yeah, and I took it off,
and the sea is I think still on the hoodie.
We'll get to that coming up in a bit. You
wrote extensively about Chase Brown, and I want to spend
a few minutes on that, and then I think you
and I had the you wont have the same takeaway
as it relates to the season record, not just predicting
the same record, but overall rationale. We'll get to that
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Speaker 3 (17:51):
Here, what is your number one lead item in betting
one oh one? Like, where do you start? What's your
your thesis? Don't bet parlays, don't bet part?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Where have you been?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I've been doing this for two Have I been doing
it wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah? It's a sucker bet bet parlays. Oh man, the
fact that that might be have good boosts. I'd feel
like boosts can even know. Okay, here, here's the thing. Okay,
in all honesty, if if you want to just have
a good time and and buy a lottery ticket and
play like an eight game parlay and you just do
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not care about the money, play parlays. But if you're
gonna be pissed off when you lose, don't play parlays.
Like if you're just you know what, it'd be fun
to see if I can somehow pick all six of
these games on an NFL Sunday, knock yourself out, play parlays.
But if you're the kind of person that's gonna ruin
everybody's day if you lose your bet, parlays are not
for you. And you and I both know those people.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I like a two to three, okay, two to three
with a boost is and that I feel like it's
a nice It's sure a compromise, no doubt. You're talking
about the guy who's like following the fourteen team parlay,
grinding out Sacramento State Hawaii at two in the morning,
like we that's the this is it, and like not
hedging so it's all in the line. And you notice
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that guy always hits the first third team legs, no question.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I've never heard anybody who lost to Parlay who's like, yeah,
I lost the first leg. No, It's always like, no,
I had a twenty one team money line Parlay that
would have paid me seven million dollars. The first twenty
of them hit let me tell you about all twenty okay,
and then the twenty first kicker mister field goal, I
missed it. So again, like if if it's if it's
going to bother you. It's like I used to go
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to Vegas with a guy and I told him, like,
I can't go with you anymore because you lose and
the rest of the day is ruined. I lose, and
it's like, all right, kind of planned on losing it,
Like no, big di, can we still have fun? So
if if your thing is I'm cool burning this money
on fire and I might win, man, go go for
it and play Parlaslo if you're gonna you know what
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I need to win something that I think betting five
games and maybe winning three is a better better Just chip.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Away a little bit at the time, is what you're saying.
Have patience, you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Guys have like a computer that says the Bengals are
going to win exactly ten games.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
It's a person who uh put a formula into computer.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I believe. Yes, I'm not a.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Huge believer in said formula.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I love everything that our outlet does, but I don't
not like it. It ended up spinning out almost exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The vegasize exactly ten wins. I believe the Bengals are
going to go ten and seven. You every writer for
the Athletic who covers a team had to respond to
what the formulas spit out per NFL team, and your
take was, you know before the preseason might have gone higher.
Mine is the exact same. I feel better about my
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take because you're smarter than me. But I have wrestled
with am I because we were doing a show at
training camp and Austin Elmore said, are you gonna go
over ten and a half wins? And I said yes.
Then I watched the Bengals defense play two games, specifically
that second one, and when I can't do it? Yeah,
Uh should I be? Should I be putting that much
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stock into what I saw and didn't see in the preseason? Uh?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, and no, I I think I I do think
that there's a lot to the fact of I think
there's something to that that said, you know what else,
there's something to is there's gonna be plenty of plays
where a lot of these young players don't know what
they're doing. When you have Shamar Stewart and Demitri, you're
playing this many rookies and young players, and there's just
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there's going to be a learning curve, a new system,
young players at the center of it. You've got a
lot of inexperience out there. You're counting on a lot
of things to happen. That to think that it's not
gonna take time, I felt like, let's talk about what
this defense is ranked at the bye as a good
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a good pinpoint to say, then I can tell you
whether this team has a shot at the super Bowl
or not in this defense is gonna do it or not?
Because I think theoretically this should be a much better
defense in the second half than the first half, because
I think there's just gonna be a lot of growing
that they're gonna have to do much better. I think
their curve is is more than most teams now that
said they're gonna lose you games early in the season.
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This defense is gonna lose you a game or two
in the first half of the Season's that's the nature
of a learning curve in the way it's currently set up.
There's too many things that they need to figure out
and too many of these variables that we've been sitting
here talking about to think that that's it's just gonna
hit the ground running and they're gonna be great. I
don't see that. Even the Eagles last year didn't do that.
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It took them almost half a season to get that
thing figured out with Vic Fangio and all those stars
that they had that said, yeah, I think you get
to that point, and you can, you can feel good,
But so much of the things you saw in the preseason,
you're you're not also not gonna see things like that.
You know, it's not also never gonna have an unscared
out of look or something that a rookie hasn't seen before,
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or a guy can't make the play on and you
learn that guy maybe he isn't making the leap you
thought he was going to and he has to be
replaced or whatever, or the safety issue that's just gonna
be I think that is the stuff that you saw
the pieces of in the preseason. I don't think it's
gonna look that bad. Maybe it does. I don't think
it's gonna look that bad, but I think you saw
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how bad it can look at times in the preseason.
So some stock, not all of it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I want to come out of September feeling like feeling
like the defense can make plays when it needs to
in big situations. Yeah, I mean to me, I you
know we all do the gotta be league average, like
I and I know we talked about this on the
groulard this morning, But like, what I want to know
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more than anything else is it's twenty seven to twenty
and needs the ball back so they could tie the game.
Can the defense get it to him? Or it's thirty
one to twenty seven and Burrow has done everything you
could ask him to do, and the other team has
the ball with a timeout and they got to go
seventy yards in a buck and change, Like I wonder
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about him Situationally, I believe that it will be across
the board statistical improvement from last year. It's almost impossible
for it not to. I want to know, when the
game is on the line, can they get stops? But
I think of all those games in the fourth quarter
last year where the Bengals scored a bunch of points
and didn't win. I don't think that much about quarters
one through three. I think about fourth quarter and then
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you know, in the case of the Baltimore game overtime.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's what you hope you're paying Trey Hendrickson for and
what he's done, Yeah, incredibly well over the course of
his career. And I go back to like, if you
watch quarterback of Joe Burrow watching the end of the
Pittsburgh game in week eighteen, come on, Trey, come on, Tray,
you know, like this is your time. You need him,
and then you need everybody, need others to help. But yeah,
I think the defense inevitably because especially early in the season,
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knowing that they're gonna take time, they just need to
be opportunistic. Yeah, and the opportunity can be closing the game.
Get maybe they don't get a lot of stats, but
they got the one at the end, yeah. Or maybe
they don't get a lot of sauces, but they got
two turnovers. And if you do that, you can make
up for so much else because Burrow is gonna cut
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this offense is gonna cover so much of where you're
lacking at this point early in the in January, they're
gonna need the defense to be really good to win.
That's that's the difference. But to buy time to get
to January, opportunistic, get a stop at the end, get
a couple of turnovers. What do we hear about from
Al Golden yesterday? Ball disruption, effort, tackling, do the basic
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type of stuff and that can that can always kind
of get you by to a baseline level that burrow
in the offense needs to go win you games.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And now they get the added boost of Trey Hendrickson
playing with that Captain C on his chest, which is
very important.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It is very important Captain C. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
He did it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think I think it's kind of I don't know
why this part of this whole thing amuses me so much.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I believe him when he says I do want to
be a mentor and help my teammates.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Based on what the folks who are a training camp
practice has watched from him, I think there's reason to
believe that.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes, I mean he he I might sound I'm a
little cynical with a lot of this, and in general,
So I think there's a little showiness to some of it.
But when no one was watching, when the cameras weren't
on him, unlike the preseason games, you did see him doing. Yeah,
you know, I do think he cares. I don't think
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that it's something a guy who doesn't care about his
tea he nets and just cares about his money in
his sacks and that I do think that does matter
to him or or he wants it to matter to
him more this year, and I think he has tried
to figure out a way to take that approach. I
have a hard time with someone who held out and
(27:20):
did the whole thing during OTA's on the side with
us was ripping everyone and all that stuff. Having a captain, See,
but I get it, like whatever, Hey, they're voting on me,
so if they're okay with it. It's also partially they've
drafted a bunch of dudes to become captains and leaders
and none of them have. So who amongst all these
(27:42):
guys who U said off captain in college? Future captain? Yeah,
I love the personality. He's going to be a score
of your team. How many of those guys have come along? Zero?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you need seven. Do you need seven captains? And
they eliminated this special teams captain so they had eight
last year.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I can't get a Tyson Anderson. So like Danny and
I talked about this, we had to revoke his Maiven
status because he couldn't get the captain ship.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Tough one. Like twelve percent of the team are captains.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That's the number it has been for whatever that did?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I know? I just I won.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And I was sort of asking yesterday like what do
captains really do? And the answer was like some scheduling,
you know, a bounce, some stuff starts going, and hey,
why are there? They can have a meeting. I have
meetings every week or two.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I was gonna ask if one of your little articles
this year, there we go, you could write a piece.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
We're thirty eight minutes into our first game week show
and I got one of your little articles.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You could do a spot. You could do a piece
where you ask the question, what beyond coming out for
the coin flip? What do captains do?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I did I I'll have to write about I asked
multiple people that perfect can't wait. I mean the Zach
Taylor press conference here on your network. I believe maybe
you weren't listening yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I listened this morning.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Oh okay, okay, you heard.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That there was some insight into Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Put that in your little article, Put that in your
little show. Put that you little four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Twenty away from four o'clock. He's Paul Tenner Junior cover
the Bengals for The Athletic and the Growler podcast as well.
Let's talk about Chase Brown when we come back on
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York's at Detroit tonight. After beating the Tigers ten to
eight yesterday, Scott Barlow the first pitcher out of the
pen on what will be a bullpen day for Cincinnati
Paul Danner Juniors. Here I salivated reading your piece on
Chase Brown, and here's what I thought, And this is
(31:34):
this is going to sound like a gratuitou shot at
the coaching staff, and it's not meant to be. In
the season opener last year, Chase Brown played I believe,
seventeen snaps. I think had six touches in the game.
And now we're talking about him being maybe somebody who
leads the league in yards from scrimmage, right, Yeah, plausible?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
A year ago because of Zach Moss, understandably or perhaps inexplicably,
so Chase Brown started the season and it felt like
he was an afterthought. And now he's the most interesting
guy in this offense to me.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, And I think that's partially a credit to how
he grew and improved in areas they wanted to see
improvement over the course of last year and earned the
trust to earn those, but they were they were nervous
to just turn it over to him in favor of
(32:30):
Zach Moss and felt like, look, let's just go with experience,
let's go with what we know, And and they didn't.
I don't think anybody could have totally known what they
were going to unleash. I think that that was incredible.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I think there's a lot of stabs who would have
done exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, it's you Knowase. For every Chase Brown, there's how
many we just got done talking about a whole team
of them on defense, right, there's a bunch of them
that don't do that. And I think that's kind of
the point of the story, is that he has proven
every step of the way, no matter what situation they've
put him in, from late round pick back up on
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the depth chart to hurt to timeshare to the man
that he is worth investing in. He will do the
right thing. He will be there early, he will get
better at whatever you ask him to do, to degrees
that you weren't even anticipating and be what he calls undeniable.
(33:30):
And he's done that, and I think to the point
that it's stunning. Like if you would have gone back
to the same time, say next year, you're gonna have
Chase Higgins, you're gonna have Yoshi's gonna be getting better,
you're gonna bring back Gasiki, you're gonna have Burrow, and
you're gonna say, nope, let's build the offense more around
Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right. He earned that, yes, by.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
What he did in developing chemistry with Burrow, learning pass protection,
getting it exponentially better as a receiver. I will tell
you this. I remember his rookie year in the off
season before before the season started, sitting down with a
coach and the theme kind of being we didn't realize
Chase was gonna struggle as much as a receiver Like
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that was kind of like frustrating for him. They thought
he would be better that way. He's a project there
to now be Hey, he should just be outside running routes,
running the route tree. H I mean, credit this dude.
He has done this and that's why scouts loved him.
Coming out of Illinois. There was a lot of stuff
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he had he had fumbles, he'd been really had a
ton of work there, and it's like they did they
use him too much? He's kind of small, all this stuff.
It's like, yeah, but you can believe in this dude
getting every ounce out of what he's got. He is
insanely driven even by NFL standards, and the Bengals are
seeing it. And now they're chapters of the playbook that
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they have built and restructured around his skill set that
I think is going to be really fun to watch
and it would be no surprise to me he would
be my number one pick in a runaway to be
the Bengal that makes his first Pro Bowl appearance this year.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
There were times early in the season last year where
if you brought up Bengals running back there were still
folks lamenting letting Joe Mixon get away, right, yeah, and
now nothing against Joe who had I'll tell you this,
the the undercurrent of the Joe Mixon year the last
(35:37):
season in the decision was we can't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Keep Chase Brown in the background. I mean there was
for all the like, you know, whatever, he needs to
grow into this that or the other. There was still
there was There's always been belief in him, right, and
that they really have felt like they could see something
like this coming and keeping Joe Mixon was always going
to block this, always because you couldn't have Joe and
(36:06):
not give him the ball a time like That's part
of his game, is wearing people down and being the
big back and all that stuff. And so it's like,
what do you want, you know, have have won or
do you want to have you want to have that?
And I think they chose that, And I don't care
where anybody says. That decision has been proven clearly true
that the Bengals made the right one.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's awesome you wrote about last summer, the work that
Chase Brown and andre Yoshabas Yeah, we're putting in and
what you wrote, what you wrote about Chase that was
published this week made me think of that, right, made
me think of the portrait you painted of him and
his work ethic and kind of being told, here are
the things you need to improve upon, and he did
(36:45):
and then kind of double down on that this offseason.
And that's extraordinarily admirable.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean it did. I literally went back to
that story and pulled old quotes back out because it
was It was amazing how that decision he's still winning
off of that. I go work with the wide receiver
coach Drew Lieberman in Atlanta and be just truly dedicated
to it and understand that I don't need to just
be able to run choice routes out of the I
(37:10):
need to learn a route tree. I need to learn
how to attack the ball better. I'm not good enough
at this. I need to really put time in and
did that and you've seen that with him annuals and
they went back this year and worked further. He said,
I want to get more into like real receiver routes
and not just running back routes. And the Bengals saw
what he did and said, okay, well we'll keep using
you that way because we see you do it. Then
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there he is in camp, beating Logan Wilson and Demetrius
Knightie safeties to different corners of the field from different
positions and becoming another versatile weapon. Where what did we
spend last year talking about so much? They're moving Jamar
Chase around because all the pieces are more movable. We'll
just add Chase Brown to the pieces that are now
more movable, and you can do so many things. You
(37:54):
could be so malleable week in and week out, and
it helps you beat whatever the opposing defense has as
their weaknesses each.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think that's the second consecutive week you've used the
word malleable.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, you like that. I do. I read the dictionary
just a couple of weeks ago, and I said this one.
I got to start using more. Yeah, I gotta make
sure that I use it on motion.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
You're working it into conversation.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I liked that it felt natural, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It really did. Do you understand if? Yeah, because I
had to look it up last week when he used it.
If I say malleable, folks are like, oh yeah, Captain
Rider here, you know, does use this malleable And it's
it's just digging into his digging in. I need to
get the right the scene, that's right, digging into that
mental fee saurus that he has and brought malleable out.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Sorry, twice in a row. I won't next week.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I don't know that's next week.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The great Tom go Letter, the voice of F. C.
Sinatti when he was on UC sideline. I would give
him like a secret word that he had to work
in every broadcast we could, you know, we could do
that here, happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And then see if the listeners can figure out which
word was the secret one.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Or see if I can remember that that's the word
that I gave you both fun games. Yeah, one one
of the thing, and then we'll let you run with
the Chase Brown saying, have you started to work ahead
to do rough drafts of at least outlines for when
we're writing about to extend Tray or to extend Chase
or not to extend Chase next offseason?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Are you ready for that? I'm always ready for the
next contract negotiation. That he's a running back, you have
that dynamic, next example of the start going in early.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Uh huh, go in early.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Right, he's the next he'll be the next example of that.
He'll be extension eligible after this season. Get in early
on Chase.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Brown, pay another offensive guy you have that you'll have
running back value.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I mean they're going to get in early on a
guy who you know you don't want. You don't know
how long the running backs are gonna last. The earlier
you get in, the better. I started on my calendar
on my phone.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I've blocked in, like, here's what we're gonna start talking
about to extend Chase or not extend Chase in early
March next Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I asked him about it, and he, you know, he said,
I just want I'm just thinking about making the plays
and that'll be used that word un denial about that.
But anybody else he said, he said, he said, but
you never know, things could be different. There's a lot
of guys in the secondary that could make the money
look a lot different next year. And he's right, Yeah,
there's a lot of money to be made out there
from now that those draft classes. If anybody in that
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secondary can prove that they do take the leap, they're
gonna pay somebody, whether it's Cam or Dax or whoever
is eligible.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Paul Danner Junior The Growler Podcast, check his socials for
info on a live event on Thursday and read him
in the Athletic dot com and we'll we'll talk next week.
I can't wait to have a game to discuss.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Very excited to find out what next week's word is
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I and I, yeah, and I you mentioned something that
I've never brought up to you. I enjoy you. Ten
to fifteen minutes before kickoff on that pregame show. Thanks,
that's like the best part.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, no, I like it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, of the entire pregame show.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Okay, there's no way that's true. The part with me
and Tony is the best, yes, okay. And then Lack
Dave Laphama, Zach Taylor. It's pretty good, Dan Horde, fun
facts with the player. Look fourth, fourth, all right, but
it's the one right before you.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, you're right. I'll say join us because you're thinking
about it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, it's a good that's a really good segment.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I do like it too, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
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Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, there is.
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We have a game on Sunday, thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I use one of my it is truthfully And
I say this whenever I'm on Bengals pregame, usually fifteen
minutes before kickoff, and that one before the opener. Every year,
I feel this sense of pure joy of like, I
love that moment right before the opener because we can
stop having to worry about the lies we've been told
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for nine months and all the truth has to come out.
And that's why I love week one. I love that
moment before week one, and I very much look forward
to being up there in Cleveland on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, one o'clock on Sunday, Bengals and Browns. We got
the first like regular season depth chart today, Yeah, which
is exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, as depth charts go, sure, exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's I suppose.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I would say it's the most exciting depth chart of
the year for you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, as depth charts go, I don't care about the
depth chart in in early August or late July, I
care about either, nor should they A few things on
the depth chart though. Lucas Patrick is the starting right
guard right which I'm not sure is a huge surprise.
How strong or not strong is his grip on the
starting right guard spot, you know, not super.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Strong, you know, I wouldn't say he's got like, you know,
very He's not like ripped in his forearms or anything
like that. I think you could get away. I could
get away, and I'm not strong right so, but I
think the other guys, Dalton Riisner, who just got here,
Jalen Rivers, the rookie are essentially waiting in the wings.
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I just think there's they have things working against them.
The Bengals don't wat two rookie guards out there in
week one, and I don't know that Dalton Reisner has
been here long enough where you can feel totally comfortable
with him knowing everything that they need to know immediately.
Lucas Patrick has been here. He has been in that
(04:13):
spot essentially since you know, the beginning of OTAs, and
I just think he's the most stable answer right now
to me, the question with him was well, how beat
up is he? He's been dealing with injuries all camp,
his whole career mostly, but I mean this camp, he's
(04:33):
been dealing with stuff. He was just out not too
long ago. So how can he get through a full game?
How how much is he compromised in what he's doing?
And if he's not at all, he's gonna be the
guy I you know, I have sort of said this.
I think that the idea that Dalton Reisner is the
(04:54):
love child of Max Montoya and Anthony Munoz. According to
his fan base, it's insane. Yeah, I've never scene and
that's just nothing against Dalton. This is not this is
strictly I've just never seen the reaction of a fan base.
It was credible of somebody like this that it's it's fine,
like he's to me, he's Lucas Patrick. Yeah, they're the
(05:14):
same kind of guy. Yeah, Okay, now, Peter p f
f grade. So don't look. I I when I talk
to people that have watched him and followed him, it's
there's a reason he's available. Yeah, there's a reason that
it's not expensive. There's a reason that we're sitting. I mean,
this is somebody who wasn't around again, Like I think
(05:35):
he's just he is another Lucas Pattrick. They needed another
Lucas Patrick, they needed another option, and maybe this is
the right fit and all of this does work out
for him and he may be the guy sooner rather
than later. But I think there's some sort of idea
that they solved right, and it's just it's just that's
(05:56):
not true.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I was sitting I was sitting on an airplane on
Wednesday afternoon of last week, waiting to fly to Kansas City.
So I was not on the air and I was
sitting a row in front of Tony Pike, and I
looked at Twitter and I saw the dult Reisner thing,
and then I was watching people react and I turned
(06:18):
to him and I go, hey, the Riisner thing got done,
and He's like cool, and I go, am I missing
something here? Because there was a surge of optimism going
through this, and I'd be honest with you, part of
me really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Part of me really enjoyed it because have a moment.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, whether it's the performance of the defense in the preseason,
there's some of the questions about the offensive line, Like
there's a part of me that was enjoying people, making
it seem like the Bengals had suddenly locked down a
fifteen to two at worst record in the regular season.
But I'm I'm like adult Reisner, like I get his
last two contracts he signed late. This is kind of
his mo. But there is a reason why he was
(06:55):
out there this late in the game. He may be
better than Lucas Patrick. He maybe just as good as
Lucas Patrick. He may give them a depth piece which
they badly needed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
But I he.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And I even did a segment and I go like, hey,
while we weren't on, they got the Dalton Reisner thing done.
And suddenly these guys should be odds on favorites to
win the AFC according to what I'm looking at. What
am I missing here? So there's my question for you,
What am I missing?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think I think there is an infatuation with things
like PFF grades right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And they serve their purpose, Yes, not at all.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think it's hard to do with the offensive line.
I think it's hard to find the nuance. And I
think that you can have players that are helped through
systems that are built to protect them and it's just
you you turn on the tape, you talk to the
people that have been there, that have watched it, that
(07:51):
have scouted, and and you end up you have a
different view than maybe what some grades might show it.
And so I just I also look at just common
sense of this league is dying for offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Every team, Every.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Team wants offensive line help, Every team hates their depth today.
And you mean to tell me that's the case, and
you have somebody who could apparently solve it that was
just been sitting out there for months. I don't I
listen to the league when it speaks that way. And
so it's again, it's not to say that this wasn't
a good acquisition for this team. He might not be
(08:28):
fine here or any of that, but just in comparison
to what we've seen, it's just a little over the top.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
My expectations for this team this season and what I
think is the most likely outcome is the same as
it was before Dolbin Reisman. That's no knock on him. Again,
it's no knock on the acquisition. But oh boy, and
again like it was a big, big part of me.
That's like cool, we're back. People are walking around on
social media, at least with some swagger. That's that's kind
of good. There's a so we're really doing this feel
(08:59):
to what they're doing in safety. So that's kind of
where we are. I mean, you know, we talked about
a little bit this morning on the Growler, but you know,
last last week you were here, it was cut down day, right,
four o'clock cut down day. They're down to fifty three.
And then it's but they're gonna go shopping. They're gonna
go shopping, they're gonna be perusing the waiver wire. All
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the solutions are gonna are gonna be they're gonna present
themselves in the form of players cut by other teams.
And then at noon the next day.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
None, none, And there were some available. Yeah, there were
some that weren't even picked up. You know that would
that would have made plenty of sense. And I guess
I guess it's something to say, we like PJ. Jewles
your guy. Yeah, and yeah, again, it's like this comes
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across as I'm not this is not a knock on PJ.
Jewles is a fine story. Yeah, it's just there. I
don't know how you look at this and say, eh,
we shouldn't add here, we shouldn't supplement to this that
won't come back to bite you at all, really really
doing this there, and there's just at every step of
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the way this offseason to literally the final till right now. Yes,
there's still a step available. You could make a move
to solidify that room. They have money, they have the spot,
they have the option, like you could bring somebody in
there who could make you feel more comfortable if something
happens to Geno Stone or to Jordan Battle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I would have wagered a large amount of money the
day after last season ended that at some point, first wave,
a free agency, second wave, a free agency draft, those
post draft free agents, cut down day, a trade somewhere,
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a safety was gonna materialize. If you would have said,
let's wager an amount of money. Mo, let's do it.
I would have said, Oh okay, cool, I get free
agency ABC, all those different waves of free agency, I
get the draft, I get cut down to I get trades.
There'll be a safety somewhere. We lost a lot of money,
a lot. We're really doing this.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We're really doing this. And you know who thought we'd
say this? Man, if they lose Geno Stone.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, the guy that I couldn't wait to cut when
last season ended now might be the most indispensable guy
who they gave.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
A pay cut too. So I just you know, I yeah,
I think there's a huge question. And to me, the
the variable's kind of become the variable in the question
of the entire season right now is they made this bet,
this huge bet on this secondary, and they said we're
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not adding we Al Golden says, I showed up on
day one and I loved what I saw from these corners.
I love this secondary. I I'm in on these guys
right this is I'm not gonna go try to We're
not gonna try to find anybody else. We're not gonna
add draft picks. Uh. We're going with these guys and
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we are gonna build. They're gonna be the reason this
defense digs itself out. Is gonna be Dax Hill and
Can Taylor Britt and DJ Turner and Josh Newton and
Jordan Battle and Gino Stone and others like them that
are hanging out in the background. Perhaps, and that's gonna
be the reason. What a huge bet on zero real
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proof of concept in terms of consistency over an entire
season for any of them, And maybe maybe it does
come together, But I think it's the biggest variable that
can define whether this team is real. Like let's talk
about this team in terms of the super Bowl or oh,
that's a cute story. Burrows got that great offense again.
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That's because I can see the rest of it. I
can I can see the defense, sensive line, I can
see Trey and I can spy Schamar and the mixing,
the Chris Jenkins leap and yeah, and I can buy
Logan Wilson as a stabilizing force and Demetrius Knight's mature.
Everything happening up front, like you're you're not gonna say
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that's a great like the greatest group, but you can
see enough of it. What's happening back there is very
much buying a vision that's just not really been totally
proven before. And that's fine and andy, But I mean,
what a wide range of outcomes that will really go
to decide this team season. Because if they're good, if
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they if they were right, if that BET's proven right,
this team is in a super Bowl conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Without question, without question, without questions.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But if they're wrong, everybody getting fired again, Like that's
on the table.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
The fallout from wrong is massive issue. If they get
it right. Duke Tobin should get Executive of the Year
for literally doing nothing. Legitimately, he he built a super
Bowl team. No he didn't. He stood there and just
watched Al Golden coach it up.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He said, I've already got a super Bowl team. It
was just it was just the coaching.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow, all right, we're really doing this. Man. I just
there's I just I fear. I fear Sunday or some
point really early in the season, somewhere in the third quarter,
I'm gonna go to Twitter and I'm gonna be in
a dark place when i have to tweet about the
GENO when saw this coming at safety? Yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's uh, it's on the table. There's I mean, there's
no doubt, but maybe it works out. I think there's
a lot to like in the secondary. I really do
like these There's a lot to bet on there. I
can understand it. It's just when you have all the.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Variables, Well, that's the thing. Like, I think a lot
of those individual players are worth keeping and betting on,
and there's a lot of upside. I still think you
could believe that believe that it made sense to bring
someone in. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's room for
multiple trups like Cam Taylor Brick could still be a
really good corner in this league. And if daxx Hill
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can stay healthy, perhaps we see him repurposed as a
corner and how that's gonna work. And maybe Genos don't
just had a bad year last year. Like all these
things could be end up being true and you could
allow for them, but also acknowledge that maybe one other
person who plays one of those two positions might have
made sense to bring in.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A single insurance from outside. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
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Speaker 3 (15:44):
C you did. You're not still wearing it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Did it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Get strip?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I had a hoodie on, yeah, and I took it off,
and the sea is I think still on the hoodie.
We'll get to that coming up in a bit. You
wrote extensively about Chase Brown, and I want to spend
a few minutes on that, and then I think you
and I had the you wont have the same takeaway
as it relates to the season record, not just predicting
the same record, but overall rationale. We'll get to that
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Speaker 3 (17:51):
Here, what is your number one lead item in betting
one oh one? Like, where do you start? What's your
your thesis? Don't bet parlays, don't bet part?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Where have you been?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I've been doing this for two Have I been doing
it wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah? It's a sucker bet bet parlays. Oh man, the
fact that that might be have good boosts. I'd feel
like boosts can even know. Okay, here, here's the thing. Okay,
in all honesty, if if you want to just have
a good time and and buy a lottery ticket and
play like an eight game parlay and you just do
(18:27):
not care about the money, play parlays. But if you're
gonna be pissed off when you lose, don't play parlays.
Like if you're just you know what, it'd be fun
to see if I can somehow pick all six of
these games on an NFL Sunday, knock yourself out, play parlays.
But if you're the kind of person that's gonna ruin
everybody's day if you lose your bet, parlays are not
for you. And you and I both know those people.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I like a two to three, okay, two to three
with a boost is and that I feel like it's
a nice It's sure a compromise, no doubt. You're talking
about the guy who's like following the fourteen team parlay,
grinding out Sacramento State Hawaii at two in the morning,
like we that's the this is it, and like not
hedging so it's all in the line. And you notice
(19:10):
that guy always hits the first third team legs, no question.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I've never heard anybody who lost to Parlay who's like, yeah,
I lost the first leg. No, It's always like, no,
I had a twenty one team money line Parlay that
would have paid me seven million dollars. The first twenty
of them hit let me tell you about all twenty okay,
and then the twenty first kicker mister field goal, I
missed it. So again, like if if it's if it's
going to bother you. It's like I used to go
(19:35):
to Vegas with a guy and I told him, like,
I can't go with you anymore because you lose and
the rest of the day is ruined. I lose, and
it's like, all right, kind of planned on losing it,
Like no, big di, can we still have fun? So
if if your thing is I'm cool burning this money
on fire and I might win, man, go go for
it and play Parlaslo if you're gonna you know what
(19:55):
I need to win something that I think betting five
games and maybe winning three is a better better Just chip.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Away a little bit at the time, is what you're saying.
Have patience, you.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Guys have like a computer that says the Bengals are
going to win exactly ten games.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
It's a person who uh put a formula into computer.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I believe. Yes, I'm not a.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Huge believer in said formula.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I love everything that our outlet does, but I don't
not like it. It ended up spinning out almost exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
The vegasize exactly ten wins. I believe the Bengals are
going to go ten and seven. You every writer for
the Athletic who covers a team had to respond to
what the formulas spit out per NFL team, and your
take was, you know before the preseason might have gone higher.
Mine is the exact same. I feel better about my
(20:44):
take because you're smarter than me. But I have wrestled
with am I because we were doing a show at
training camp and Austin Elmore said, are you gonna go
over ten and a half wins? And I said yes.
Then I watched the Bengals defense play two games, specifically
that second one, and when I can't do it? Yeah,
Uh should I be? Should I be putting that much
(21:05):
stock into what I saw and didn't see in the preseason? Uh?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, and no, I I think I I do think
that there's a lot to the fact of I think
there's something to that that said, you know what else,
there's something to is there's gonna be plenty of plays
where a lot of these young players don't know what
they're doing. When you have Shamar Stewart and Demitri, you're
playing this many rookies and young players, and there's just
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there's going to be a learning curve, a new system,
young players at the center of it. You've got a
lot of inexperience out there. You're counting on a lot
of things to happen. That to think that it's not
gonna take time, I felt like, let's talk about what
this defense is ranked at the bye as a good
(21:55):
a good pinpoint to say, then I can tell you
whether this team has a shot at the super Bowl
or not in this defense is gonna do it or not?
Because I think theoretically this should be a much better
defense in the second half than the first half, because
I think there's just gonna be a lot of growing
that they're gonna have to do much better. I think
their curve is is more than most teams now that
said they're gonna lose you games early in the season.
(22:19):
This defense is gonna lose you a game or two
in the first half of the Season's that's the nature
of a learning curve in the way it's currently set up.
There's too many things that they need to figure out
and too many of these variables that we've been sitting
here talking about to think that that's it's just gonna
hit the ground running and they're gonna be great. I
don't see that. Even the Eagles last year didn't do that.
(22:40):
It took them almost half a season to get that
thing figured out with Vic Fangio and all those stars
that they had that said, yeah, I think you get
to that point, and you can, you can feel good,
But so much of the things you saw in the preseason,
you're you're not also not gonna see things like that.
You know, it's not also never gonna have an unscared
out of look or something that a rookie hasn't seen before,
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or a guy can't make the play on and you
learn that guy maybe he isn't making the leap you
thought he was going to and he has to be
replaced or whatever, or the safety issue that's just gonna
be I think that is the stuff that you saw
the pieces of in the preseason. I don't think it's
gonna look that bad. Maybe it does. I don't think
it's gonna look that bad, but I think you saw
(23:26):
how bad it can look at times in the preseason.
So some stock, not all of it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I want to come out of September feeling like feeling
like the defense can make plays when it needs to
in big situations. Yeah, I mean to me, I you
know we all do the gotta be league average, like
I and I know we talked about this on the
groulard this morning, But like, what I want to know
(23:55):
more than anything else is it's twenty seven to twenty
and needs the ball back so they could tie the game.
Can the defense get it to him? Or it's thirty
one to twenty seven and Burrow has done everything you
could ask him to do, and the other team has
the ball with a timeout and they got to go
seventy yards in a buck and change, Like I wonder
(24:17):
about him Situationally, I believe that it will be across
the board statistical improvement from last year. It's almost impossible
for it not to. I want to know, when the
game is on the line, can they get stops? But
I think of all those games in the fourth quarter
last year where the Bengals scored a bunch of points
and didn't win. I don't think that much about quarters
one through three. I think about fourth quarter and then
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you know, in the case of the Baltimore game overtime.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's what you hope you're paying Trey Hendrickson for and
what he's done, Yeah, incredibly well over the course of
his career. And I go back to like, if you
watch quarterback of Joe Burrow watching the end of the
Pittsburgh game in week eighteen, come on, Trey, come on, Tray,
you know, like this is your time. You need him,
and then you need everybody, need others to help. But yeah,
I think the defense inevitably because especially early in the season,
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knowing that they're gonna take time, they just need to
be opportunistic. Yeah, and the opportunity can be closing the game.
Get maybe they don't get a lot of stats, but
they got the one at the end, yeah. Or maybe
they don't get a lot of sauces, but they got
two turnovers. And if you do that, you can make
up for so much else because Burrow is gonna cut
(25:29):
this offense is gonna cover so much of where you're
lacking at this point early in the in January, they're
gonna need the defense to be really good to win.
That's that's the difference. But to buy time to get
to January, opportunistic, get a stop at the end, get
a couple of turnovers. What do we hear about from
Al Golden yesterday? Ball disruption, effort, tackling, do the basic
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type of stuff and that can that can always kind
of get you by to a baseline level that burrow
in the offense needs to go win you games.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And now they get the added boost of Trey Hendrickson
playing with that Captain C on his chest, which is
very important.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It is very important Captain C. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
He did it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think I think it's kind of I don't know
why this part of this whole thing amuses me so much.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I believe him when he says I do want to
be a mentor and help my teammates.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Based on what the folks who are a training camp
practice has watched from him, I think there's reason to
believe that.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes, I mean he he I might sound I'm a
little cynical with a lot of this, and in general,
So I think there's a little showiness to some of it.
But when no one was watching, when the cameras weren't
on him, unlike the preseason games, you did see him doing. Yeah,
you know, I do think he cares. I don't think
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that it's something a guy who doesn't care about his
tea he nets and just cares about his money in
his sacks and that I do think that does matter
to him or or he wants it to matter to
him more this year, and I think he has tried
to figure out a way to take that approach. I
have a hard time with someone who held out and
(27:20):
did the whole thing during OTA's on the side with
us was ripping everyone and all that stuff. Having a captain, See,
but I get it, like whatever, Hey, they're voting on me,
so if they're okay with it. It's also partially they've
drafted a bunch of dudes to become captains and leaders
and none of them have. So who amongst all these
(27:42):
guys who U said off captain in college? Future captain? Yeah,
I love the personality. He's going to be a score
of your team. How many of those guys have come along? Zero?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you need seven. Do you need seven captains? And
they eliminated this special teams captain so they had eight
last year.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I can't get a Tyson Anderson. So like Danny and
I talked about this, we had to revoke his Maiven
status because he couldn't get the captain ship.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Tough one. Like twelve percent of the team are captains.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That's the number it has been for whatever that did?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I know? I just I won.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And I was sort of asking yesterday like what do
captains really do? And the answer was like some scheduling,
you know, a bounce, some stuff starts going, and hey,
why are there? They can have a meeting. I have
meetings every week or two.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I was gonna ask if one of your little articles
this year, there we go, you could write a piece.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
We're thirty eight minutes into our first game week show
and I got one of your little articles.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You could do a spot. You could do a piece
where you ask the question, what beyond coming out for
the coin flip? What do captains do?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I did I I'll have to write about I asked
multiple people that perfect can't wait. I mean the Zach
Taylor press conference here on your network. I believe maybe
you weren't listening yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I listened this morning.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Oh okay, okay, you heard.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That there was some insight into Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Put that in your little article, Put that in your
little show. Put that you little four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Twenty away from four o'clock. He's Paul Tenner Junior cover
the Bengals for The Athletic and the Growler podcast as well.
Let's talk about Chase Brown when we come back on
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Paul Danner Juniors. Here I salivated reading your piece on
Chase Brown, and here's what I thought, And this is
(31:34):
this is going to sound like a gratuitou shot at
the coaching staff, and it's not meant to be. In
the season opener last year, Chase Brown played I believe,
seventeen snaps. I think had six touches in the game.
And now we're talking about him being maybe somebody who
leads the league in yards from scrimmage, right, Yeah, plausible?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
A year ago because of Zach Moss, understandably or perhaps inexplicably,
so Chase Brown started the season and it felt like
he was an afterthought. And now he's the most interesting
guy in this offense to me.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, And I think that's partially a credit to how
he grew and improved in areas they wanted to see
improvement over the course of last year and earned the
trust to earn those, but they were they were nervous
to just turn it over to him in favor of
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Zach Moss and felt like, look, let's just go with experience,
let's go with what we know, And and they didn't.
I don't think anybody could have totally known what they
were going to unleash. I think that that was incredible.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I think there's a lot of stabs who would have
done exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, it's you Knowase. For every Chase Brown, there's how
many we just got done talking about a whole team
of them on defense, right, there's a bunch of them
that don't do that. And I think that's kind of
the point of the story, is that he has proven
every step of the way, no matter what situation they've
put him in, from late round pick back up on
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the depth chart to hurt to timeshare to the man
that he is worth investing in. He will do the
right thing. He will be there early, he will get
better at whatever you ask him to do, to degrees
that you weren't even anticipating and be what he calls undeniable.
(33:30):
And he's done that, and I think to the point
that it's stunning. Like if you would have gone back
to the same time, say next year, you're gonna have
Chase Higgins, you're gonna have Yoshi's gonna be getting better,
you're gonna bring back Gasiki, you're gonna have Burrow, and
you're gonna say, nope, let's build the offense more around
Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right. He earned that, yes, by.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
What he did in developing chemistry with Burrow, learning pass protection,
getting it exponentially better as a receiver. I will tell
you this. I remember his rookie year in the off
season before before the season started, sitting down with a
coach and the theme kind of being we didn't realize
Chase was gonna struggle as much as a receiver Like
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that was kind of like frustrating for him. They thought
he would be better that way. He's a project there
to now be Hey, he should just be outside running routes,
running the route tree. H I mean, credit this dude.
He has done this and that's why scouts loved him.
Coming out of Illinois. There was a lot of stuff
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he had he had fumbles, he'd been really had a
ton of work there, and it's like they did they
use him too much? He's kind of small, all this stuff.
It's like, yeah, but you can believe in this dude
getting every ounce out of what he's got. He is
insanely driven even by NFL standards, and the Bengals are
seeing it. And now they're chapters of the playbook that
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they have built and restructured around his skill set that
I think is going to be really fun to watch
and it would be no surprise to me he would
be my number one pick in a runaway to be
the Bengal that makes his first Pro Bowl appearance this year.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
There were times early in the season last year where
if you brought up Bengals running back there were still
folks lamenting letting Joe Mixon get away, right, yeah, and
now nothing against Joe who had I'll tell you this,
the the undercurrent of the Joe Mixon year the last
(35:37):
season in the decision was we can't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Keep Chase Brown in the background. I mean there was
for all the like, you know, whatever, he needs to
grow into this that or the other. There was still
there was There's always been belief in him, right, and
that they really have felt like they could see something
like this coming and keeping Joe Mixon was always going
to block this, always because you couldn't have Joe and
(36:06):
not give him the ball a time like That's part
of his game, is wearing people down and being the
big back and all that stuff. And so it's like,
what do you want, you know, have have won or
do you want to have you want to have that?
And I think they chose that, And I don't care
where anybody says. That decision has been proven clearly true
that the Bengals made the right one.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There's awesome you wrote about last summer, the work that
Chase Brown and andre Yoshabas Yeah, we're putting in and
what you wrote, what you wrote about Chase that was
published this week made me think of that, right, made
me think of the portrait you painted of him and
his work ethic and kind of being told, here are
the things you need to improve upon, and he did
(36:45):
and then kind of double down on that this offseason.
And that's extraordinarily admirable.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean it did. I literally went back to
that story and pulled old quotes back out because it
was It was amazing how that decision he's still winning
off of that. I go work with the wide receiver
coach Drew Lieberman in Atlanta and be just truly dedicated
to it and understand that I don't need to just
be able to run choice routes out of the I
(37:10):
need to learn a route tree. I need to learn
how to attack the ball better. I'm not good enough
at this. I need to really put time in and
did that and you've seen that with him annuals and
they went back this year and worked further. He said,
I want to get more into like real receiver routes
and not just running back routes. And the Bengals saw
what he did and said, okay, well we'll keep using
you that way because we see you do it. Then
(37:33):
there he is in camp, beating Logan Wilson and Demetrius
Knightie safeties to different corners of the field from different
positions and becoming another versatile weapon. Where what did we
spend last year talking about so much? They're moving Jamar
Chase around because all the pieces are more movable. We'll
just add Chase Brown to the pieces that are now
more movable, and you can do so many things. You
(37:54):
could be so malleable week in and week out, and
it helps you beat whatever the opposing defense has as
their weaknesses each.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think that's the second consecutive week you've used the
word malleable.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, you like that. I do. I read the dictionary
just a couple of weeks ago, and I said this one.
I got to start using more. Yeah, I gotta make
sure that I use it on motion.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
You're working it into conversation.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I liked that it felt natural, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It really did. Do you understand if? Yeah, because I
had to look it up last week when he used it.
If I say malleable, folks are like, oh yeah, Captain
Rider here, you know, does use this malleable And it's
it's just digging into his digging in. I need to
get the right the scene, that's right, digging into that
mental fee saurus that he has and brought malleable out.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Sorry, twice in a row. I won't next week.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I don't know that's next week.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The great Tom go Letter, the voice of F. C.
Sinatti when he was on UC sideline. I would give
him like a secret word that he had to work
in every broadcast we could, you know, we could do
that here, happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And then see if the listeners can figure out which
word was the secret one.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Or see if I can remember that that's the word
that I gave you both fun games. Yeah, one one
of the thing, and then we'll let you run with
the Chase Brown saying, have you started to work ahead
to do rough drafts of at least outlines for when
we're writing about to extend Tray or to extend Chase
or not to extend Chase next offseason?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Are you ready for that? I'm always ready for the
next contract negotiation. That he's a running back, you have
that dynamic, next example of the start going in early.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Uh huh, go in early.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Right, he's the next he'll be the next example of that.
He'll be extension eligible after this season. Get in early
on Chase.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Brown, pay another offensive guy you have that you'll have
running back value.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I mean they're going to get in early on a
guy who you know you don't want. You don't know
how long the running backs are gonna last. The earlier
you get in, the better. I started on my calendar
on my phone.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I've blocked in, like, here's what we're gonna start talking
about to extend Chase or not extend Chase in early
March next Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I asked him about it, and he, you know, he said,
I just want I'm just thinking about making the plays
and that'll be used that word un denial about that.
But anybody else he said, he said, he said, but
you never know, things could be different. There's a lot
of guys in the secondary that could make the money
look a lot different next year. And he's right, Yeah,
there's a lot of money to be made out there
from now that those draft classes. If anybody in that
(40:10):
secondary can prove that they do take the leap, they're
gonna pay somebody, whether it's Cam or Dax or whoever
is eligible.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Paul Danner Junior The Growler Podcast, check his socials for
info on a live event on Thursday and read him
in the Athletic dot com and we'll we'll talk next week.
I can't wait to have a game to discuss.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Very excited to find out what next week's word is
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I and I, yeah, and I you mentioned something that
I've never brought up to you. I enjoy you. Ten
to fifteen minutes before kickoff on that pregame show. Thanks,
that's like the best part.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, no, I like it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, of the entire pregame show.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Okay, there's no way that's true. The part with me
and Tony is the best, yes, okay. And then Lack
Dave Laphama, Zach Taylor. It's pretty good, Dan Horde, fun
facts with the player. Look fourth, fourth, all right, but
it's the one right before you.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, you're right. I'll say join us because you're thinking
about it.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, it's a good that's a really good segment.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I do like it too, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Paul Danner, Junior at the Athletic dot Com on the
Growlar Podcast and right around twelve forty five on the
Bengals pregame show Countdown to Kickoff on the Bengals Radio Network.
It's five away from four o'clock. We are broadcasting from
Oakley Greens, which will be an awesome place to watch
said game on Sunday. They've got Cabana rentals. You could
do that for games, but also for happy hours, birthdays, fundraisers,
(41:29):
whatever you're celebrating. You can ask the staff here at
here at Oakley Greens about that. Bengals and Browns on
Sunday one tons of TVs to watch that game right
here at Oakley Greens. We are ridiculously late. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.
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