September 3, 2024 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to talk about the Bengals, Ja'Marr Chase, and even some topics that have nothing to do with Ja'Marr Chase.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
That's us? Good afternoon, A Mollleger three after three. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening.
Hopefully you had an awesome Labor Day weekend. It is
gorgeous outside. It is a Bengals game week It is
also the first of eighteen consecutive broadcasts once a week,
mainly on Tuesdays, two different Wednesdays because of Bengals Monday
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Night football games. Anyway, we're gonna be at Buffalo Wild
Wings every single week, usually on Tuesday. We are launching
our tour, so to speak, at the Blue Ash location, which,
first of all, I've got history with. It was at
this location two thousand and five Bengals go to Hines Field.
Tad Perry's returning a kick, got like nine dudes draped
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all over him as he's taken all these Pittsburgh Steelers
down the sideline. Bengals win that game, put themselves in
the driver's seat to clinch the AFC North. I watched
it right over there, clinch Miss twenty ten. Jay Bruce
hits the home run Reds win the National League centri
I'm at the time living in Sharonville. This is on
my way home. There's nothing downtown where do I celebrate
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Buffalo Wild Wings and Blue Ash. I've got history with
this place. So we're here in the Blue Ash, Glendale
Milford Road, just a minute off I seventy one. Our
friends at bud Light have given us some cool Bengals
gear and tickets to Sunday's game to give away. See
you can't beat that. Gotta get here between now at
six o'clock plus Paul Danner Junior's here from The Athletic
(01:33):
and the Growler podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Did you in this history that you speak of? Did
you have friends? Were you just solo five?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Roll o five?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I was sitting by yourself where you're historically here by yourself, celebrated.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
The twenty ten Clinch miss game by myself. Okay, there
was nothing to do downtown.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Things have changed, I believe after Clinch Miss I ended
up at UH I don't even know if it's still
that is Mint Martini still there? I didn't go there
then the Reds. The Reds had like a post game
party there. The world at Chapman had your wings. Remember
the team that Rold Chapman had pants on that were
covered in diamonds.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I high fived everybody. Yeah, walked to my car and
went to go to Buffalo water Wings and uh the
O five Bengals the Steelers game. There were folks here
with me. Well sure many of them are no longer
in my life, but but yeah I was. I was here.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It was fun, you know what. And you're not in
their life and that's okay though. Everybody's fine with it that,
you know what. The five season still goes down as
one of the great, the great good time seasons in
Bengals history. Truly, like everybody enjoyed that season. It's still
it's still my favorite all time season. Yeah, twenty one
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was awesome. I'm old enough for eighty eight. Twenty two was.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Awesome, but just in terms of like reminding me, like,
oh yeah, this is why I decided to like this five.
This is reinvigorating.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's just this team that year was Oh yeah, this
is why football's fun, right right, because it's been so long.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Also, no hold ends. Also, no hold ends.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So I had to pick up my phone as you
were doing the intro to make sure I don't miss something.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right, what happens.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Make sure I don't have any messages here, have any tweets.
I was excited Instagram posts of little children staring at phones.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was excited yesterday because I woke up and uh,
I thought, today's labor day. This is the day that
Paul said, this is going to be the day.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This is that should make you nervous if they don't
have it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
This is this is this is gonna be the day
we're gonna get an end of this Jamar Chase thing.
He's gonna have to work. It's gonna ruin his labor day,
but at least he and I are gonna have something
different to talk about, that being a contract extension. And
then labor Day comes and goes and nothing and nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah no, I mean, and we're all in playing the
waiting game right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I just I don't know, man, this.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Is not how it was supposed to go.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, it was not suppose to be like this.
I do think that you know, you can use history
as a judge and know that their biggest moments have
always gone down to the wire. They have always gone
to the deadline, and they often when they've wanted them
to get done they have gotten them done.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They've just usually done it up until the last second.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The distraction of this has made it feel so much
longer and obviously exhausting.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But because you have the option to.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Kick the can down the road the next year, because
it is a two years left on this thing, right
that remains open. From my seat, that option remains open.
There is I think people want to say, we'll just
pay and they're gonna do it, just do it. I
look they there's no saying they're definitely gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think they would love to.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm sure Jamar would love to. I think everybody would
love for this thing to be over. But they can
just as easily say, look, I don't think we're there
right now. We'll revisit this next year because you're under
contract for two seasons and we look forward to.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Seeing you on Sunday. They have that right to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And so would they go there, I don't know, and
then call Jamar's bluff I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Would he then decide I'm not playing Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, And so we just sit and speculate and wait
and just and I think everybody involved is hoping that
it just comes to an end, so it doesn't live
throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
For me, for you, for all of us.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I mean that's why, that's why I'm in the
just pay him camp, And I understand there are rifts
from that. I understand the precedent that it may set.
I understand some of the the inherent Rick risks, But
I want what the Bengals to win the title this year.
And I keep coming back to that, Yes, I want
I want nothing that could potentially get in the way
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of them winning a championship this season. I want to
put this behind us all so we can really start
to focus on what it's going to be like. The
Bengals play in Kansas City a week from Sunday with
Jamar Chase. Not that I'm intentionally overlooking the game on Sunday,
but to me, that's really what I've wondered all all
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summer long. Is he willing to miss games plural that
means he's not on the field for Kansas City. What's
the impact on him not playing, what's the impact on
the team long term if they lose that football game,
what happens down the road, what this may mean for
further contract negotiations. I understand those are considerations. They're not
my main consideration. So I am team just paying.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, I think you have a very full roster on
your team there. You have a lot of people that
agree with you and understandably. So the thing is, what
why did you go through all that you went through
with Tea and forcing him to do this franchise tag
in one last ride? If you were going to jeopardize
the mojo and all of it by then doing this
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messing around with Jamal like you're you're doing this because
you are committing yourself to Jamar Chase Ince then right,
so just commit yourself to Jamar Chasing. What what real
difference is a little bit here or a guarantee here.
I get the precedent. They don't want to feel like
they got pushed around. Nobody's gonna look and be like
I can definitely push them around like Jamar did.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, you know what they'll tell Cam Taylor Britt like,
uh man, it's not the same, right, you know? And
and that's fair And I think and I think that
people would understand that a little bit more if you're
talking about other guys down the line. I just look,
they have set themselves up to have a very very
good team to have all of these pieces together with
this very incredible, this big window that's been open for
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a while, and you can't jeopardize it because you are
trying to, you know, save five million dollars in guarantees
or whatever it is. And like, there's not a dispute
about where this thing's supposed to be right right, yes,
And so why is there haggling over that?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know. I just feel I feel like whether
or not you agree with the approach that Jamar has taken,
whether or not you agree with the approach the Bengals
have taken. I think if we were to sit down
and draw a line down the middle of a piece
of paper and on left side pros to just signing
him and cons to just signing him, that column of
pros out outnumbers the con column by a factor of
(08:29):
about ten. Yeah. I mean, you're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, you're doing it anyway.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You this No one is pretending that he's not going
to be here for the long term, So why jeopardize
what's going to be happening in this season in order
to get the greatest possible deal. Now you can ask
that question many times over the years about this franchise,
and that's you know, will that follow them here? Or
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is this just the latest example of them waiting until
someone's about to get on a bus the first game
to finally get a deal done.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Maybe this is the latest example.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Maybe it's aj Green Part two, Maybe it's Joe Burrow
Part two on Thursday Night. Maybe it's any number of
these times that they've done this. We'll wait and see.
But let me tell you this. Anybody that says they
know and that you're hearing, you're retweeting, or you're using
any of the verbiage that you're hearing, knows squat.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I ran into this weekend a lot of newly sort
of informed insiders who claim to know a lot of folks.
And on both sides of it, I got, bro, he
ain't gonna play this month. I got this will be
over by the weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean a lot of a lot of people know
a lot a lot of people seem to know a
lot of people know.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But I also think that's what's so interesting about this, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Right, well, and it's what also keeps it going, you know,
because because there is so I mean, everybody knew the
status of Brandon Ayuk and the San Francisco forty nine ersight.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because it was every step was public display.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I would probably prefer it all to be done in
private any way, but it only increases the speculation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've yet to hear from Jamar, not one time.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm still waiting for us to come in after practice,
into the locker room and him to be standing on
his stool saying here, ye hear, ye, I got things
to say. It feels like he wants to do that,
you know, and so, but it it ain't the fact
that we have none of that and the option to
kick the can down the road still exists. It leaves
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it to nothing but speculation. But I'm telling you, you know,
the Bengals do it this way for a reason. Yeah,
and keep it quiet its way for a reason. And
so if you if you think you're hearing people that
know what they're talking about, there.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
There. There are other facets of the team that we
have to talk about. But two more on Jamar, or
two more questions related to Jamar. You were with me
last Tuesday in studio and Jamar is practicing or had practice,
then it's cut down. Remember the good old Yeah, and
then you know, you go down there on Wednesday and
suddenly things are a little bit different. Just describe, describe
(11:08):
that environment on Wednesday, just being around the team in
your capacity, which was.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
A very weird, very much. Uh, you have got to
be kidding me.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Level of disbelief, Like we were just all assuming we
were gonna go out there and and see what we
had been told and seen pictures of him, what had
happened day before, and so no, it wouldn't go this way.
You wouldn't flip it on his head like this. It
wouldn't be a thing where you're gonna try to embarrass
everyone after what has been said the last couple of days.
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And then sure enough it was. That was really what
it was was everyone looking around wondering where where is he?
People are checking outside? Is anybody gonna check the porta
potties outside? Is that where we need to go?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Is he on a bus? Is he walking? Is?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And then to walk in ten minutes later, where it's
let's be honest, it's a scene. It was, here's a scene.
I'm coming in. I know that everybody's in there. You're
all wondering where I am. You've been wondering for fifteen
minutes where I am I'm gonna walk in and I'm
gonna walk right by everybody. You have to, but I'm
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gonna do it that way. Scene created, right, firestorm created,
and everybody saying, wow, it he took it there to
the next level, and that was it was really I mean,
it was a shot across the bow. And I think
there was a little bit of a disbelief of what.
I can't believe it it's gotten like this because what
we had talked about it had been despite the one
day amicable, it had felt like it was just look,
(12:38):
I'm just doing this because I don't want to practice
trying to stay safe going through the process. Okay, now
it's getting closer, I'm gonna get myself back, ramping up
a little bit, and then to just say nope, forget
all of that, let's let's go to this next level.
Everybody was just stunned because you just you never you
didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Not that anybody really wants to rethink the approach with
t but there is an interesting dynamic can play where
the guy that they have not paid has signed his
tag early, showed up to all the workouts training camp
played in the preseason game, caught a touchdown saying and
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doing all the right things. That's the guy they're not paying. Yes,
the dude who they have said on the record we're
going to pay is approaching it this way entirely different.
Not that he is wrong, but entirely different. I just
I wonder if, deep down inside, whether it's Mike or
Katie or whoever, if you could corner them and go,
how do you feel about the fact that the dude
that you're not paying has kind of handled his business
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in a way that I think would be more along
the lines of how the Bengals would prefer. And then
the guy who you have said you are going to
pay is well not.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's a great question, Yeah, and I'd love to hear
the truth serum answer on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It has to have an effect. There's there's no when
you start talking.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Look, there's there's a reason.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
There's a lot of reasons, but one of them they
don't want to spend all kinds of guaranteed money because
they don't want to get burned on somebody where their
life goes a different.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Way than they anticipated.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The way they handle their job, the way they treat
playing football whatever you never know. And then and so
to see something like this, yeah, I'm sure it leaves
I'm sure it leaves an imprint, and I'm sure it
makes you think twice and say, you know what, maybe
it does suggest we should just kick this can down
the road and see what happens here and revisit all
of this in March.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Let's see what Ti.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Higgins season looks like.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
See what andre yoshibasch season look like, see what the
draft looks like. Let's see how we play without Jamar
for however long that goes down. Let's maybe reevaluate all
of it at that point, because they have different options.
If you are starting to get a little nervous about this,
do you think this is I mean, I think once
it's signed, I think you get the old Jamar back.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I don't feel like there's a doubt about that, And
I never really I haven't really doubted his football working
personality at all, Like he's done all the right things
in that regard and benessa. So I don't think you're
doubting that, but you know you you do have to.
It certainly does enter the equation. And when something that
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seems very close on either side. Maybe here you wonder
if that shifts things a little bit in one direction.
But all we can do is really wonder in that regard.
Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
From The Athletic and the Growler podcast, you did a
deep dive on the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that today was out there?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I thought I saw that myself, Jay, James Rapeene and
Jeff Hobson while kind of diving in on the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Fun conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Go get that, as we say, where you get your podcasts.
You've got your event on Thursday night. Thursday Night, Ben
MGM Downtown, Yep, which you want? All the other Bengals
media members, yep, we'll all be down there. It's gonna
be a good time.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's gonna be a great times of lots of good deals,
and we'll be previewing the season right up to the
start of Chiefs and Ravens. I'm curious who people are
rooting for. Okay, an answer to that, Yeah, I'm curious
if people are rooting for making Baltimore Bengals get two
cracks at them head to head. Yeah, Cincinnati goes to
Kansas City week two.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I want to knock. I don't want to knock them out.
But I want to be two and oh they're zero
to two settled. We're good settled. Then you get a
chance to play Baltimore twice.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Man, it's fair.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Traditionally you feel like the division champ. You kind of
want to stop. I just I You could make an
argument either way.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I mean, because I'm a glass half full guy, always
have been. I will go to bed on Thursday night
knowing one of those teams is oh to one? Or
do I root for a tie?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Don't root for a tie. Never root for a tie.
It's a no way to live.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I don't necessarily the beating wonders like either the Bengals
have a chance to start the AFC North Race if
they beat New England on Sunday as expected, a game
up on Baltimore, or they have a chance to go
up too on Kansas City week two if they.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Lose the first game.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Awesome, look at you think I'm already, But that's what
the season's about, right, win a title.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What's the easiest way to win a title?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Winning your division?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Skip a week and play all the games at home?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's fair, yeah, no question.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
You got one, I got one.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Look at that giving away tickets to the game on
Sunday Bengals Pats.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
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Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, can't beat that, Glenda Milford Road right off, I
seventy one, Come on out? Is is there anything else
about your marchase?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You want to say?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Can't?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What else is left?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
What else is left?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I've been, I've done, we did our podcast.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I did NFL radio today, I'm doing this and
and every time, you know, we spend way too much
time on it. And it's but I get it. I
mean I get it. Sure, I don't get it's just weird.
There's really only so much you can say at this
point other than we all wait, you know, and speculate.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I listened to I saw a clip on ESPN dot
com today because I was reading that Seth Wickersham Unbelieva,
which was terrific, great work. Seth is gonna be on
with this at four oh five. But like you know,
you you click on the Bengals piece, there's Ben Baby's
work and then the Seth Wickersham piece, and then there's
like two videos from those shows where they yell at
each other on ESPN and there it's all like you
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would think they're breaking new ground when they're like, well,
just gotta gotta find out is he willing to miss
a game or not? Like, yeah, man, we've been saying
that for two months.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
A long time, a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's not new.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I did enjoy the Pat McAfee show today. Discovered the
TVs that were for sale in July, which is one
of my which was one of my favorite storylines by
the way, and I'm glad that it's kind of resurfaced
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Right. It's like, you know, yeah, being going on, I
want to know.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I'd love to hear from folks who grab one of
those televisions.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, does it work. Let's see it. I'd like to
set up let's see where how did you use it?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, I want to know how many of them were
like the big tubes though, Like that's what I that's
what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And are you going back for the second round to
get more?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That's right, we do have the depth chart, yes, I
think And you pointed this out on social media, Drew
sample is tight end one, I think. Yeah, jumped off
the page to a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Well, yeah, because you know you were just assuming Gasicki
would be in there, yes, and and be the number
one guy that can depth.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Charts are what they are, Like you can it's great
assault stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But you can absolutely see them saying he's our tight end.
We're we the weapons are out there, like you don't
you know, Gisicki's not going to be that guy that's going.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
To be a threat to at the edge and the
run ging.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So you can be out there and say, well, when
Gasiki comes in, it's because we've moved to twelve personnel
and he's basically the slot receiver and utilizing his size
in that regard and being a little bit bigger team.
You can see that being the rationale and saying, look,
we want somebody who can hammer in the run game
a little bit, who is a threat to pick up
a guy that's blitzing off the edge and is smart,
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and they can move him back what into the backfield
like they did it last year. They need to on
third downs pick up Liltz is all that stuff. The
way they use sample, I think that's a nod to
that that he's kind of a Swiss army knife in
the blocking regard, the same way they feel like they
have a lot of versatile pieces in the skill position regard.
And you can still get everybody else in there. And
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it is just a listing, but it was number one
thing that stood out to me for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Relative to I just think how his career has gone,
which he's gotten a second contract from this team, yeah,
but how under the radar he has flown for a
position that they they draft two of them, they signed
one in free agency. We've talked a lot about the
evolution of tight end with the Bengals, and this guy's
gonna start the season top the depth chart. Yeah, it's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I remember it was maybe year his second year maybe,
And Brian Callahan said to me, he said, you know,
you watch, he's gonna have a ten year career, and
it'd be one of the most quietest underappreciated players on
an entire roster, because these guys that just do with
so many of these little things that when they're not
done right, drive coaches mad, but don't really stand out
at all if you're just watching the game or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you know, the coaches.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Want that and they want to have a guy who
can do those types of things. And that showed up
last year. I mean, he obviously earned his money with
what he did last year. So yeah, but still still
didn't think i'd see sample over gets sicky necessarily, No,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And then the other one is I think if I
would have said to you or anyone back in, man,
Dax Hill is going to be a top the depth
chart at the corner spot opposite Cam Taylor brand.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
To add in and you won't be surprised by it. Yeah,
that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, it's I don't want to say it's what stood
out least, but it wasn't until like I kind of
poured over it that I'm like, oh, yeah, and and
was just like, yeah, based on what I saw, you
saw a lot more. Obviously, based on what I saw,
that makes total sense.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But good for that dude, great, like I mean good.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Good for him. It didn't work out last year. He
changes positions, he had a little bit of an uphill battle.
He had to beat out another guy that I think
they think very highly of. It's a crowded position, and
and he gets the starting gig. We spent a lot
of man, we.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Spent a lot of time talking about him. But you
know it does deserve in this moment to reflect and
be said how much he handled this the right way
and very easily could have not. He could have salt,
he could have been mad. He could have demanded a trade.
He could have done a hold him, He could have
held in.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He could have said, I mean think, I mean that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
You know you don't play me My first year, I
play in Saty, and now you're replacing me a medium
my next year, you're moving me somewhere I've never really
been before.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But he didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He said, then I'm gonna be the best outside cornerack
and me I'm gonna win this job, and I'm gonna
attack it and he did, and I think he's I
think he may have found a home there. We'll see
how he plays this year, but he's looked at home there,
He's looked comfortable there, and his athleticism shows up there.
But for him to approach it this way and to
win this job, kudos to him because he was very
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frustrated the last couple of years and he was able
to put all that stuff aside and kind of refocus
and you know, scapegoated last year.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yes, to be honest, yeah, he was scapegoaded.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
For last year and everything that went wrong, put that aside,
said you tell me where to go play coach, and
went out there and won that job handily. And so
credit to him for doing it the right way and
for his sake and everything that's happened to him.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I do I hope that he holds a gu.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I mean, I'm not sure. In the last week of
July when they were starting out that it felt like
he had that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Much of a chance to be the number one now
a pill battle for sure, but then before too long
it was a parent that he was playing at a
higher level.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Uh. I have a couple more things well good, they're
not Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I wasn't gonna leave yet.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, no, I was internally trying to think, do I
want to ask about why some much ip Frind's not
going near kids?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Question?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
But I gotta get a break in first. Or Buffalo
Wild Wings in Blue Ash. It's like I just started
doing this today, Glenndelle Milford. I have to put on
this T shirt for the folks at pud Light.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Sure, it's gonna look good on it is boys,
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
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ESPN fifteen thirty. Reds are off tonight. They continue their
series with the Astros tomorrow. They won last night and
they won on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Can they go here?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
We go September to remember the Reds. Yeah, if the
Reds were ever good again, the litmus test I was.
I was there for nineteen innings on Friday.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Wow, you did the double.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I was with double.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I was with you for the afternoon game.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When it was fourteen nothing of the ninth inning and
David Bell was having to visit the mound to talk
to Luke Maley. I was there. I was there.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That was like, what was your litmus test for the Bengals.
Wasn't it the Jaguars snow game?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
It used to be the Jaguars Snow game?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
And then it became Christmas Was it the Christmas Eve
game against Detroit?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Then it became Christmas Eve against Detroit. Yeah, and then
it finally turned into the last game of the season
after they had already clinched the top pick twenty nineteen,
A thirty five free drubbing oh at the hands of
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah. That was not pretty, was it? The Browns?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Baker Mayfield Yeah. Wow. Well, there's there's been a lot
of those. There's been a few moments.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I've got some litmus tests.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Litmus test is it's it's hard to talk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That Detroit game, by the way, is one where I
literally literally went and sat in the seats to write
about the people that were here and those I was like,
this is your fan base. Yeah, they're going nowhere. It
doesn't get lower than this. This is your fan base.
And ever since then up it's going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Christmas Eve with a seven month old. The conversation I
had that morning with my wife was interesting, you're gonna
go to that? Yeah? Yeah, I think I am.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think I am.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Are you gonna stay for the whole game? Yeah? I
think I am. It's Christmas Eve. They won, they did,
they won, they did. That's how you justify it, Uh,
save Marvin Big college football note, Dante Corleone has been
cleared to return for U see and if you watch
their run defense against Towson, Bearcats won the game and
a lot of good stuff did happen. But if you
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watch the run defense against Towson and you understand what
they have coming to Nippert Stadium on Saturday, and if
you just understand how good of a player times take
cor leon and as you know, how huge of a
positive development that is for the Bearcats.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Future Cincinnati Bengal don't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Take me, sign me up for that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, yeah, they might need him.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Uh level of surprise that Samaj p Ryan were you
was it more surprised that he didn't come to Cincinnati
or jarring that it was Chiefs that he ends up with.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I know, I think I think that I think
probably that he didn't come to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It seemed such a natural obvious fit.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
He they had interest, he had interests like both sides
I think.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Agreed that this would be a good deal.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
The Chiefs, I'm not I'm not gonna say they came
out of nowhere because they've had issues. But you know,
it's funny we how long have we talked about Clyde
Edwards Hilaire and he ends up being the reason that
Samaj p Ryan Ran goes to Kansas City because Clyde
Edwards Hilaire ended up on n FI for them, and
there's a whole lot of stuff going on with him.
Opened up this spot to be a third down and
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he's gonna play immediate and they always got families near there,
and they were able to stay close to home and
get a big I mean, to be a running back
in the Chiefs offense has been a pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Solid spot and he was really a bigger role that
he could.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Had set in front of him there than he would
have had if he came here, and he would have
been how are we going to fit you in between
the other two guys you really like? And so it
makes sense why he ended up there. But I don't
think people saw the Chiefs coming in that quickly and
that aggressively after p Run.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'll acknowledge. I'm not even sure I until I looked
at his numbers from last year. It went poorly in
Denver for the team. It's not like he had a
non productive season. They caught more passes there last year
than he did in any season in the Bengals uniform.
But he could still play. He was solid, He was solid.
He just became expensive. And they really liked their three
young running backs. And when they when they drafted, they
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get from under Dame in whatever round that was fourth rown.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
It kind of put the riding on the wall just
monetarily that they were going to save that money.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So he has what like one rushing when receiving touchdown
Week two, just because that's.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's no question central role in that game. None.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
What's you and I? You and I both know that's happening.
I am curious as to why kJ Henry was available. Yes,
from the Washington commands. So was our athletic guy that
covers the commanders.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Uh, they you know, he was running with their second
group all off season and all through preseason and played
really well in the preseason. I mean he was equivalent
of what like Joseph Osai would be here, you know,
as far as where he was on the depth chart
for them and how he was playing.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They were, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
But the problem that you get Adam Peters comes in
there in Washington and now my guy right drafted the
year before, so now something he didn't like about him.
Who knows, maybe he just once is I don't know
how that happened. I don't know enough about the dynamics
of what's going on there, but it does make sense
why they would take a shot on somebody who was
drafted last year, appears to have gotten better every time
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he's strapped him on, and is still young and kind
of an ascending potential talent.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So yeah, I mean, you never know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, it's still a guy who really played well
in the preseason. In one of his sacks is when
the Patriots decided not to block anybody and run into
each other instead, So you don't you don't know one
hundred percent how it's gonna turn out, but there's a
lot of potential there. He certainly makes a ton of
sense for a guy they need right now. While Miles
Murphy's on it.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well, I or texted a guy who does what I
do in Washington and said, like, is kJ Henry a
turt or something like what's the problem here? And he's like, no,
I had no idea why they cut him. I think
the Bengals have something there, I think, especially for what
they're looking for. Yeah, you know, rotate him in with
those those other edge guys.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, I mean right now, when you've got Cedric Johnson
is the fourth guy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Right now, you have Cam Sample Miles Murphy. Both go down.
They're looking for a little bit extra and see what
you get.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Because every team has the biggest concern. The athletic canvas
is the thirty two people who covers Pacific team and
the biggest concern and as you put it, I think
on social media, first world problems. Yeah, but it's it's
this team against the run, which is something you and
I talked about. I just I think they're gonna be
bad against the run. You listed that as their biggest concern.
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I think they're gonna be bad against the run. I'm
I certainly wish they weren't, But I don't think that's
gonna torpedo. I don't think that's gonna define what they
are defensively. I think it's all about those guys on
the back end in terms of judging how they are
from last year to this.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, and you know, I think they'll play. It'll come
into play in division games. In particular, we saw what
happened in the Aps New York last year where they
just they got trounced in the trenches often and the
line of scrimmage got moved four yards more often than
it should. And I still think that's an issue that
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they have to get figured out.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It doesn't feel like they addressed it as much as
you would like at the defensive tackle position. That also,
you know you're right though, I it's as long as
you're not a total train wreck.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
If you can get after the passer and and and
have good cover guys and play from ahead like you
plant a bunch, you can mitigate that risk.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It doesn't have to be that bad.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The question is also can they also get after the
passer as much as they need to. You know, you
like the the the addition of rankings in that regard
because I feel like that was really so much of
what was missing. And I do think they have depth
at that defensive imposition, especially once Murphy comes back to
do different things where you're you're maybe putting him out
there and kicking Hubbard inside or whatever you're doing there.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But they that needs to be if you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Be if you're not gonna be great against the run,
you better get after the passer pretty consistently.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so that that needs to be the case.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And that's and that's the best way you know to
to assure that it doesn't end up really really killing you.
But the defense isn't gonna be what carries this team.
Like the defense is where the holes are. This is
gonna be a team that ascends if they get where
they want to get because they have.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
A top five off and they have an okay defense.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, and that that equation, I'm fine works give me
League average across the board.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Defensively, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Although I don't think they can get there against the run,
I think they can get their explosive plays pass rush defense,
not as many mistackles that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Absolutely, and that's you know, I kind of wrote this
and we talked about this on the Defensive preview pod
that we did, and that story I had it on
Monday on how they just feel like just stabilizing the
communication with von Bell and Ginostone and the massive strides
they've seen in that over the course of not just
the offseason, but even week tweaken camp to where they're
in a really good place with.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That right now.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Changes so much of even the run game stuff where
stuff just gets out the backside because someone's not anticipating something.
They're they're anticipating and seeing the next step far more often,
where last year they were just trying to even get
they were behind on getting the first step even in
and that makes such a difference in how fast your
linebackers play, your ability to keep plays from getting out
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that shouldn't get out of And guys, you know, if
you watched last year.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Just running wide open in space, and so.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
If you just take that away, you get back to
you get back to normal, and then you can build.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Off of that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And you wrote about von Bell and communication, yep. And
I think I brought this up on that podcast. When
I think of lose defenses his first few years, I
think of no assignment errors, nobody in the wrong spot,
nobody trying to do too much, make them earn it,
make them earn it. And with the improved communication, with
the return of vonn Bell, I just I feel like
we're going to see the return of a defense that
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is going to have its deficiencies, but doesn't do some
of the things that was guilty of doing last year.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And that regard smart football players, you know be stoned too.
I mean, who just have shown that shown that savvy
to understand what's coming, having knack for the ball, anticipate
things goes a long way, and especially when you when
you combine that with the potential and a couple of
things at play. Their schedule is just a lot of
quarterbacks that are probably going to turn it over a
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bunch this year. Young guys experienced offenses, poor offensive lines
from in the first part of the season and expectations
to play from ahead. Against those types of teams, you
can really turn people over. You can really get that
turnover momentum going early in the season, and that's something
that we've seen carry throughout seasons here.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You can't bank on that.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Specifically from year to year, but I do think the
types of players they have. We saw that run from
Cam Taylor Britt last year, you know where he had
those interceptions in that stretch before his injury. Gino Stone
had all those interceptions in Baltimore. You know, Von Bellis
had a career high for interceptions last season.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
He was here, right.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean, these are guys that can do that and
can create that, and then they should be in places
situationally to try to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's the optimistic view.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
If you don't get turnovers, you know you're you can
be in a bad spot and you don't want to
have to rely on that.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But I do think they're a bilt to create them.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I need your take on an important development on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh yeah, when we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
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Speaker 2 (36:35):
They sure do.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That offensive roster is awful, and defensively they traded away
Matthew Judon.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean, they've got it's it's hard that I
was talking to Ben Volden from the Boston Globe for
the podcast today and I was just like, after he
went on for about twelve minutes about just how awful
everything is there right now, he pointed out, so what's
the path, What's what's the path to them winning actually
winning some games?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So I think if they can.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Get three yards in a cloud of dust and the
other team decimated by injuries, I think they've got a
chance to get to win some games. So that's that's
pretty much where they're at with it. They have no weapons,
no passing game. They're putting Jacoby Brusse out out there
because they don't want Drake Man. Offensive line is really bad.
kJ Henry will be delighted to potentially get in there
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against the team that just ran into each other rather
than book him and let.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Him get the sack.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That it's that, you know, Ramandre Stevenson is the running back.
You know, there's there is not a lot to brand
new coaching staff. All of Van Pelt is there as
the as the OC. Now everything is new. We're you know,
you're going on the road to a Bengals team that
has continuity coming out the Wazoo. It's it's you can't
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lose this game and it really honestly can't be close,
no at all.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean that's the This is the ultimate. It's only
a lose lose like right, there's really really.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Just you just need to go go win and don't
worry about it. But the only bad thing, the only
thing can happen is something really bad.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Ye. This this feels like Week one for a college
football team when they're playing an FCS upon on Sunday.
Dan Hurley of the Yukon Husky's two time defending national champions, Yeah,
will be the ruler of the jungle. He was a
hardcore looks like a real Bengals No real bag, I
mean like a real you know. Dan horde has told
the story of you see being at an NCAA tournament
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site with Rhode Island when Dan Hurley was the coach
there and like Dan coming up to him, Dan coming
up to Dan Horden asking him like about, you know,
is this guy gonna make the team? And what about this?
Why didn't they Are they gonna draft this guy? Like
that guy is he's on one of these celebrity fans.
That's Oh yeah, I'm a Bengals fan. Like Dan Hurley
would pass a few of those litmus tests a bunch
of them. Yeah, I know him and then his family,
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his kids are really into it. They've become kind of
Bengals fans together. I had him on our podcast this
summer after the twenty twenty season, after.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Bros rookie year.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, he was talking then about out like you know,
just I I understand. I feel like I have a
good understanding of you can see the leadership. I feel
like you can see the way people were responding to
him and the way that he you could you could
feel it and Uh, he was right, you know he
was he was right about that. And and but he
tells a story about how he's been a fan forever
and absolute die hard screaming and yelling at the TV,
(39:18):
just like he screams and yells at the refs and
and pretty much the same, uh, the same kind of intensity.
I wouldn't mind watching a game with dinner. They'd be
curious if with the level of like is like in
the living room compared to this.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I would like to see that. I I am kind
of curious because you know, they're in the same league
as Xavior, and you you see fans, I mean they
got mad when John Calipari throughout the first pitch in
the Reds game. How many area college basketball fans who
attend on Sunday will boo him? Like some more will
to be just such euphoria over the seasons about to
(39:49):
start that, Like, I could be the rule of the
just too busy yelling who day they're saying them, they're
saying who, they're extending the Yeah, that's little. I think
it's I think it's a cool. I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I mean, I mean, the guy was the most popular
coach and all of the sporting The Lakers are trying
to lure him. I mean, he's two time national, he
loves the mangles. I think it's better than some of
the other people we seek show up to do ceremonial
things around town.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
They don't even know where it's city.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
There is no doubt about it. I'm not gonna boo him,
but I I think I I there are people in
my orbit that I think will There's gonna be Kentucky
fans that are mad that he didn't go there. We're
gonna be Xavier fans that they're in the Big East,
AND's gonna be UC fans. They bow anybody who's not
their coach, and in many cases they.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bow him, you know, boo boo.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
When they tried out the influencers and all the other
random people that then I'm doing this stuff. That's fine,
but the guy who's the coach, the guys will got
two national titles celebrate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Okay, next time, I'm gonna find out who those influencers are.
You want to see good.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Booed, you have to go. I mean whatever, thank you
for joining that boo is a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
It's four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Is Sports Up.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I'm Christine Lacy.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Florida State fell out of the AP College Football Poll
after an zero to two start to the season, only
the third team to go from a preseason top ten
to unranked in the first regular season poll since the
rankings expanded to twenty five in nineteen eighty nine. Forty
nine Ers All Pro left tackle Trent Williams pulledouts over
the sides are finalizing a deal. He missed all of
training camp as part of his contract dispute. The Niners
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open up the season at home versus the Jets in
six days. No worries for the team, though, regarding Williams
for Monday Night Notes, Our Harry Douglas, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
He's a veteran.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He's thirty six years old.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So if you can count on anyone being in tip
top shape and ready for the season outside of football,
it's going to be a guy in Trent Williams. You know,
football is football because you're consistently contacting defensive players and
that's a part.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of being in shape. I just don't feel like.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
They're going to be on a pitch count because they
trust Trent Williams so.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Much Harry Douglas as the Jets prepare for that game.
Defensive end Hassan Reddick remains a holdout. Coach Robert Sala
again today not ruling out Reddick if he shows up
this week and ends his holdout.
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Hopefully you had an awesome Labor Day weekend. It is
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Night football games. Anyway, we're gonna be at Buffalo Wild
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our tour, so to speak, at the Blue Ash location, which,
first of all, I've got history with. It was at
this location two thousand and five Bengals go to Hines Field.
Tad Perry's returning a kick, got like nine dudes draped
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all over him as he's taken all these Pittsburgh Steelers
down the sideline. Bengals win that game, put themselves in
the driver's seat to clinch the AFC North. I watched
it right over there, clinch Miss twenty ten. Jay Bruce
hits the home run Reds win the National League centri
I'm at the time living in Sharonville. This is on
my way home. There's nothing downtown where do I celebrate
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Buffalo Wild Wings and Blue Ash. I've got history with
this place. So we're here in the Blue Ash, Glendale
Milford Road, just a minute off I seventy one. Our
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Speaker 2 (01:34):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Did you in this history that you speak of? Did
you have friends? Were you just solo five?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Roll o five?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I was sitting by yourself where you're historically here by yourself, celebrated.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
The twenty ten Clinch miss game by myself. Okay, there
was nothing to do downtown.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Things have changed, I believe after Clinch Miss I ended
up at UH I don't even know if it's still
that is Mint Martini still there? I didn't go there
then the Reds. The Reds had like a post game
party there. The world at Chapman had your wings. Remember
the team that Rold Chapman had pants on that were
covered in diamonds.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I high fived everybody. Yeah, walked to my car and
went to go to Buffalo water Wings and uh the
O five Bengals the Steelers game. There were folks here
with me. Well sure many of them are no longer
in my life, but but yeah I was. I was here.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It was fun, you know what. And you're not in
their life and that's okay though. Everybody's fine with it that,
you know what. The five season still goes down as
one of the great, the great good time seasons in
Bengals history. Truly, like everybody enjoyed that season. It's still
it's still my favorite all time season. Yeah, twenty one
(02:46):
was awesome. I'm old enough for eighty eight. Twenty two was.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Awesome, but just in terms of like reminding me, like,
oh yeah, this is why I decided to like this five.
This is reinvigorating.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's just this team that year was Oh yeah, this
is why football's fun, right right, because it's been so long.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Also, no hold ends. Also, no hold ends.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So I had to pick up my phone as you
were doing the intro to make sure I don't miss something.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right, what happens.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Make sure I don't have any messages here, have any tweets.
I was excited Instagram posts of little children staring at phones.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was excited yesterday because I woke up and uh,
I thought, today's labor day. This is the day that
Paul said, this is going to be the day.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This is that should make you nervous if they don't
have it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
This is this is this is gonna be the day
we're gonna get an end of this Jamar Chase thing.
He's gonna have to work. It's gonna ruin his labor day,
but at least he and I are gonna have something
different to talk about, that being a contract extension. And
then labor Day comes and goes and nothing and nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah no, I mean, and we're all in playing the
waiting game right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I just I don't know, man, this.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Is not how it was supposed to go.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, it was not suppose to be like this.
I do think that you know, you can use history
as a judge and know that their biggest moments have
always gone down to the wire. They have always gone
to the deadline, and they often when they've wanted them
to get done they have gotten them done.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They've just usually done it up until the last second.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The distraction of this has made it feel so much
longer and obviously exhausting.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But because you have the option to.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Kick the can down the road the next year, because
it is a two years left on this thing, right
that remains open. From my seat, that option remains open.
There is I think people want to say, we'll just
pay and they're gonna do it, just do it. I
look they there's no saying they're definitely gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think they would love to.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm sure Jamar would love to. I think everybody would
love for this thing to be over. But they can
just as easily say, look, I don't think we're there
right now. We'll revisit this next year because you're under
contract for two seasons and we look forward to.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Seeing you on Sunday. They have that right to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And so would they go there, I don't know, and
then call Jamar's bluff I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Would he then decide I'm not playing Nobody knows.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, And so we just sit and speculate and wait
and just and I think everybody involved is hoping that
it just comes to an end, so it doesn't live
throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
For me, for you, for all of us.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I mean that's why, that's why I'm in the
just pay him camp, And I understand there are rifts
from that. I understand the precedent that it may set.
I understand some of the the inherent Rick risks, But
I want what the Bengals to win the title this year.
And I keep coming back to that, Yes, I want
I want nothing that could potentially get in the way
(05:55):
of them winning a championship this season. I want to
put this behind us all so we can really start
to focus on what it's going to be like. The
Bengals play in Kansas City a week from Sunday with
Jamar Chase. Not that I'm intentionally overlooking the game on Sunday,
but to me, that's really what I've wondered all all
(06:16):
summer long. Is he willing to miss games plural that
means he's not on the field for Kansas City. What's
the impact on him not playing, what's the impact on
the team long term if they lose that football game,
what happens down the road, what this may mean for
further contract negotiations. I understand those are considerations. They're not
my main consideration. So I am team just paying.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, I think you have a very full roster on
your team there. You have a lot of people that
agree with you and understandably. So the thing is, what
why did you go through all that you went through
with Tea and forcing him to do this franchise tag
in one last ride? If you were going to jeopardize
the mojo and all of it by then doing this
(07:00):
messing around with Jamal like you're you're doing this because
you are committing yourself to Jamar Chase Ince then right,
so just commit yourself to Jamar Chasing. What what real
difference is a little bit here or a guarantee here.
I get the precedent. They don't want to feel like
they got pushed around. Nobody's gonna look and be like
I can definitely push them around like Jamar did.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, you know what they'll tell Cam Taylor Britt like,
uh man, it's not the same, right, you know? And
and that's fair And I think and I think that
people would understand that a little bit more if you're
talking about other guys down the line. I just look,
they have set themselves up to have a very very
good team to have all of these pieces together with
this very incredible, this big window that's been open for
(07:45):
a while, and you can't jeopardize it because you are
trying to, you know, save five million dollars in guarantees
or whatever it is. And like, there's not a dispute
about where this thing's supposed to be right right, yes,
And so why is there haggling over that?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know. I just feel I feel like whether
or not you agree with the approach that Jamar has taken,
whether or not you agree with the approach the Bengals
have taken. I think if we were to sit down
and draw a line down the middle of a piece
of paper and on left side pros to just signing
him and cons to just signing him, that column of
pros out outnumbers the con column by a factor of
(08:29):
about ten. Yeah. I mean, you're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, you're doing it anyway.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You this No one is pretending that he's not going
to be here for the long term, So why jeopardize
what's going to be happening in this season in order
to get the greatest possible deal. Now you can ask
that question many times over the years about this franchise,
and that's you know, will that follow them here? Or
(08:55):
is this just the latest example of them waiting until
someone's about to get on a bus the first game
to finally get a deal done.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Maybe this is the latest example.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Maybe it's aj Green Part two, Maybe it's Joe Burrow
Part two on Thursday Night. Maybe it's any number of
these times that they've done this. We'll wait and see.
But let me tell you this. Anybody that says they
know and that you're hearing, you're retweeting, or you're using
any of the verbiage that you're hearing, knows squat.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I ran into this weekend a lot of newly sort
of informed insiders who claim to know a lot of folks.
And on both sides of it, I got, bro, he
ain't gonna play this month. I got this will be
over by the weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean a lot of a lot of people know
a lot a lot of people seem to know a
lot of people know.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But I also think that's what's so interesting about this, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Right, well, and it's what also keeps it going, you know,
because because there is so I mean, everybody knew the
status of Brandon Ayuk and the San Francisco forty nine ersight.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because it was every step was public display.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I would probably prefer it all to be done in
private any way, but it only increases the speculation.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've yet to hear from Jamar, not one time.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm still waiting for us to come in after practice,
into the locker room and him to be standing on
his stool saying here, ye hear, ye, I got things
to say. It feels like he wants to do that,
you know, and so, but it it ain't the fact
that we have none of that and the option to
kick the can down the road still exists. It leaves
(10:31):
it to nothing but speculation. But I'm telling you, you know,
the Bengals do it this way for a reason. Yeah,
and keep it quiet its way for a reason. And
so if you if you think you're hearing people that
know what they're talking about, there.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
There. There are other facets of the team that we
have to talk about. But two more on Jamar, or
two more questions related to Jamar. You were with me
last Tuesday in studio and Jamar is practicing or had practice,
then it's cut down. Remember the good old Yeah, and
then you know, you go down there on Wednesday and
suddenly things are a little bit different. Just describe, describe
(11:08):
that environment on Wednesday, just being around the team in
your capacity, which was.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
A very weird, very much. Uh, you have got to
be kidding me.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Level of disbelief, Like we were just all assuming we
were gonna go out there and and see what we
had been told and seen pictures of him, what had
happened day before, and so no, it wouldn't go this way.
You wouldn't flip it on his head like this. It
wouldn't be a thing where you're gonna try to embarrass
everyone after what has been said the last couple of days.
(11:41):
And then sure enough it was. That was really what
it was was everyone looking around wondering where where is he?
People are checking outside? Is anybody gonna check the porta
potties outside? Is that where we need to go?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Is he on a bus? Is he walking? Is?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And then to walk in ten minutes later, where it's
let's be honest, it's a scene. It was, here's a scene.
I'm coming in. I know that everybody's in there. You're
all wondering where I am. You've been wondering for fifteen
minutes where I am I'm gonna walk in and I'm
gonna walk right by everybody. You have to, but I'm
(12:16):
gonna do it that way. Scene created, right, firestorm created,
and everybody saying, wow, it he took it there to
the next level, and that was it was really I mean,
it was a shot across the bow. And I think
there was a little bit of a disbelief of what.
I can't believe it it's gotten like this because what
we had talked about it had been despite the one
day amicable, it had felt like it was just look,
(12:38):
I'm just doing this because I don't want to practice
trying to stay safe going through the process. Okay, now
it's getting closer, I'm gonna get myself back, ramping up
a little bit, and then to just say nope, forget
all of that, let's let's go to this next level.
Everybody was just stunned because you just you never you
didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Not that anybody really wants to rethink the approach with
t but there is an interesting dynamic can play where
the guy that they have not paid has signed his
tag early, showed up to all the workouts training camp
played in the preseason game, caught a touchdown saying and
(13:18):
doing all the right things. That's the guy they're not paying. Yes,
the dude who they have said on the record we're
going to pay is approaching it this way entirely different.
Not that he is wrong, but entirely different. I just
I wonder if, deep down inside, whether it's Mike or
Katie or whoever, if you could corner them and go,
how do you feel about the fact that the dude
that you're not paying has kind of handled his business
(13:39):
in a way that I think would be more along
the lines of how the Bengals would prefer. And then
the guy who you have said you are going to
pay is well not.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's a great question, Yeah, and I'd love to hear
the truth serum answer on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It has to have an effect. There's there's no when
you start talking.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Look, there's there's a reason.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
There's a lot of reasons, but one of them they
don't want to spend all kinds of guaranteed money because
they don't want to get burned on somebody where their
life goes a different.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Way than they anticipated.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The way they handle their job, the way they treat
playing football whatever you never know. And then and so
to see something like this, yeah, I'm sure it leaves
I'm sure it leaves an imprint, and I'm sure it
makes you think twice and say, you know what, maybe
it does suggest we should just kick this can down
the road and see what happens here and revisit all
of this in March.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Let's see what Ti.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Higgins season looks like.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
See what andre yoshibasch season look like, see what the
draft looks like. Let's see how we play without Jamar
for however long that goes down. Let's maybe reevaluate all
of it at that point, because they have different options.
If you are starting to get a little nervous about this,
do you think this is I mean, I think once
it's signed, I think you get the old Jamar back.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I don't feel like there's a doubt about that, And
I never really I haven't really doubted his football working
personality at all, Like he's done all the right things
in that regard and benessa. So I don't think you're
doubting that, but you know you you do have to.
It certainly does enter the equation. And when something that
(15:15):
seems very close on either side. Maybe here you wonder
if that shifts things a little bit in one direction.
But all we can do is really wonder in that regard.
Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
From The Athletic and the Growler podcast, you did a
deep dive on the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that today was out there?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I thought I saw that myself, Jay, James Rapeene and
Jeff Hobson while kind of diving in on the offense.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Fun conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Go get that, as we say, where you get your podcasts.
You've got your event on Thursday night. Thursday Night, Ben
MGM Downtown, Yep, which you want? All the other Bengals
media members, yep, we'll all be down there. It's gonna
be a good time.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's gonna be a great times of lots of good deals,
and we'll be previewing the season right up to the
start of Chiefs and Ravens. I'm curious who people are
rooting for. Okay, an answer to that, Yeah, I'm curious
if people are rooting for making Baltimore Bengals get two
cracks at them head to head. Yeah, Cincinnati goes to
Kansas City week two.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I want to knock. I don't want to knock them out.
But I want to be two and oh they're zero
to two settled. We're good settled. Then you get a
chance to play Baltimore twice.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Man, it's fair.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Traditionally you feel like the division champ. You kind of
want to stop. I just I You could make an
argument either way.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I mean, because I'm a glass half full guy, always
have been. I will go to bed on Thursday night
knowing one of those teams is oh to one? Or
do I root for a tie?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Don't root for a tie. Never root for a tie.
It's a no way to live.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I don't necessarily the beating wonders like either the Bengals
have a chance to start the AFC North Race if
they beat New England on Sunday as expected, a game
up on Baltimore, or they have a chance to go
up too on Kansas City week two if they.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Lose the first game.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Awesome, look at you think I'm already, But that's what
the season's about, right, win a title.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What's the easiest way to win a title?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Winning your division?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Skip a week and play all the games at home?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's fair, yeah, no question.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
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Speaker 3 (17:34):
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
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Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, can't beat that, Glenda Milford Road right off, I
seventy one, Come on out? Is is there anything else
about your marchase?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You want to say?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Can't?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What else is left?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
What else is left?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I've been, I've done, we did our podcast.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I did NFL radio today, I'm doing this and
and every time, you know, we spend way too much
time on it. And it's but I get it. I
mean I get it. Sure, I don't get it's just weird.
There's really only so much you can say at this
point other than we all wait, you know, and speculate.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I listened to I saw a clip on ESPN dot
com today because I was reading that Seth Wickersham Unbelieva,
which was terrific, great work. Seth is gonna be on
with this at four oh five. But like you know,
you you click on the Bengals piece, there's Ben Baby's
work and then the Seth Wickersham piece, and then there's
like two videos from those shows where they yell at
each other on ESPN and there it's all like you
(18:40):
would think they're breaking new ground when they're like, well,
just gotta gotta find out is he willing to miss
a game or not? Like, yeah, man, we've been saying
that for two months.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
A long time, a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's not new.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I did enjoy the Pat McAfee show today. Discovered the
TVs that were for sale in July, which is one
of my which was one of my favorite storylines by
the way, and I'm glad that it's kind of resurfaced
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Right. It's like, you know, yeah, being going on, I
want to know.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I'd love to hear from folks who grab one of
those televisions.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, does it work. Let's see it. I'd like to
set up let's see where how did you use it?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, I want to know how many of them were
like the big tubes though, Like that's what I that's
what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And are you going back for the second round to
get more?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That's right, we do have the depth chart, yes, I
think And you pointed this out on social media, Drew
sample is tight end one, I think. Yeah, jumped off
the page to a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Well, yeah, because you know you were just assuming Gasicki
would be in there, yes, and and be the number
one guy that can depth.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Charts are what they are, Like you can it's great
assault stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But you can absolutely see them saying he's our tight end.
We're we the weapons are out there, like you don't
you know, Gisicki's not going to be that guy that's going.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
To be a threat to at the edge and the
run ging.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So you can be out there and say, well, when
Gasiki comes in, it's because we've moved to twelve personnel
and he's basically the slot receiver and utilizing his size
in that regard and being a little bit bigger team.
You can see that being the rationale and saying, look,
we want somebody who can hammer in the run game
a little bit, who is a threat to pick up
a guy that's blitzing off the edge and is smart,
(20:22):
and they can move him back what into the backfield
like they did it last year. They need to on
third downs pick up Liltz is all that stuff. The
way they use sample, I think that's a nod to
that that he's kind of a Swiss army knife in
the blocking regard, the same way they feel like they
have a lot of versatile pieces in the skill position regard.
And you can still get everybody else in there. And
(20:43):
it is just a listing, but it was number one
thing that stood out to me for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Relative to I just think how his career has gone,
which he's gotten a second contract from this team, yeah,
but how under the radar he has flown for a
position that they they draft two of them, they signed
one in free agency. We've talked a lot about the
evolution of tight end with the Bengals, and this guy's
gonna start the season top the depth chart. Yeah, it's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I remember it was maybe year his second year maybe,
And Brian Callahan said to me, he said, you know,
you watch, he's gonna have a ten year career, and
it'd be one of the most quietest underappreciated players on
an entire roster, because these guys that just do with
so many of these little things that when they're not
done right, drive coaches mad, but don't really stand out
at all if you're just watching the game or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you know, the coaches.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Want that and they want to have a guy who
can do those types of things. And that showed up
last year. I mean, he obviously earned his money with
what he did last year. So yeah, but still still
didn't think i'd see sample over gets sicky necessarily, No,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And then the other one is I think if I
would have said to you or anyone back in, man,
Dax Hill is going to be a top the depth
chart at the corner spot opposite Cam Taylor brand.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
To add in and you won't be surprised by it. Yeah,
that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, it's I don't want to say it's what stood
out least, but it wasn't until like I kind of
poured over it that I'm like, oh, yeah, and and
was just like, yeah, based on what I saw, you
saw a lot more. Obviously, based on what I saw,
that makes total sense.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But good for that dude, great, like I mean good.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Good for him. It didn't work out last year. He
changes positions, he had a little bit of an uphill battle.
He had to beat out another guy that I think
they think very highly of. It's a crowded position, and
and he gets the starting gig. We spent a lot
of man, we.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Spent a lot of time talking about him. But you
know it does deserve in this moment to reflect and
be said how much he handled this the right way
and very easily could have not. He could have salt,
he could have been mad. He could have demanded a trade.
He could have done a hold him, He could have
held in.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He could have said, I mean think, I mean that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
You know you don't play me My first year, I
play in Saty, and now you're replacing me a medium
my next year, you're moving me somewhere I've never really
been before.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But he didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He said, then I'm gonna be the best outside cornerack
and me I'm gonna win this job, and I'm gonna
attack it and he did, and I think he's I
think he may have found a home there. We'll see
how he plays this year, but he's looked at home there,
He's looked comfortable there, and his athleticism shows up there.
But for him to approach it this way and to
win this job, kudos to him because he was very
(23:19):
frustrated the last couple of years and he was able
to put all that stuff aside and kind of refocus
and you know, scapegoated last year.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yes, to be honest, yeah, he was scapegoaded.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
For last year and everything that went wrong, put that aside,
said you tell me where to go play coach, and
went out there and won that job handily. And so
credit to him for doing it the right way and
for his sake and everything that's happened to him.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I do I hope that he holds a gu.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I mean, I'm not sure. In the last week of
July when they were starting out that it felt like
he had that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Much of a chance to be the number one now
a pill battle for sure, but then before too long
it was a parent that he was playing at a
higher level.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Uh. I have a couple more things well good, they're
not Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I wasn't gonna leave yet.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, no, I was internally trying to think, do I
want to ask about why some much ip Frind's not
going near kids?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Question?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
But I gotta get a break in first. Or Buffalo
Wild Wings in Blue Ash. It's like I just started
doing this today, Glenndelle Milford. I have to put on
this T shirt for the folks at pud Light.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Sure, it's gonna look good on it is boys,
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
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they won on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Can they go here?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
We go September to remember the Reds. Yeah, if the
Reds were ever good again, the litmus test I was.
I was there for nineteen innings on Friday.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Wow, you did the double.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I was with double.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I was with you for the afternoon game.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When it was fourteen nothing of the ninth inning and
David Bell was having to visit the mound to talk
to Luke Maley. I was there. I was there.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That was like, what was your litmus test for the Bengals.
Wasn't it the Jaguars snow game?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
It used to be the Jaguars Snow game?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
And then it became Christmas Was it the Christmas Eve
game against Detroit?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Then it became Christmas Eve against Detroit. Yeah, and then
it finally turned into the last game of the season
after they had already clinched the top pick twenty nineteen,
A thirty five free drubbing oh at the hands of
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah. That was not pretty, was it? The Browns?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Baker Mayfield Yeah. Wow. Well, there's there's been a lot
of those. There's been a few moments.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I've got some litmus tests.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Litmus test is it's it's hard to talk.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
That Detroit game, by the way, is one where I
literally literally went and sat in the seats to write
about the people that were here and those I was like,
this is your fan base. Yeah, they're going nowhere. It
doesn't get lower than this. This is your fan base.
And ever since then up it's going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Christmas Eve with a seven month old. The conversation I
had that morning with my wife was interesting, you're gonna
go to that? Yeah? Yeah, I think I am.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think I am.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Are you gonna stay for the whole game? Yeah? I
think I am. It's Christmas Eve. They won, they did,
they won, they did. That's how you justify it, Uh,
save Marvin Big college football note, Dante Corleone has been
cleared to return for U see and if you watch
their run defense against Towson, Bearcats won the game and
a lot of good stuff did happen. But if you
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watch the run defense against Towson and you understand what
they have coming to Nippert Stadium on Saturday, and if
you just understand how good of a player times take
cor leon and as you know, how huge of a
positive development that is for the Bearcats.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Future Cincinnati Bengal don't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Take me, sign me up for that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, yeah, they might need him.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Uh level of surprise that Samaj p Ryan were you
was it more surprised that he didn't come to Cincinnati
or jarring that it was Chiefs that he ends up with.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I know, I think I think that I think
probably that he didn't come to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It seemed such a natural obvious fit.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
He they had interest, he had interests like both sides
I think.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Agreed that this would be a good deal.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
The Chiefs, I'm not I'm not gonna say they came
out of nowhere because they've had issues. But you know,
it's funny we how long have we talked about Clyde
Edwards Hilaire and he ends up being the reason that
Samaj p Ryan Ran goes to Kansas City because Clyde
Edwards Hilaire ended up on n FI for them, and
there's a whole lot of stuff going on with him.
Opened up this spot to be a third down and
(27:59):
he's gonna play immediate and they always got families near there,
and they were able to stay close to home and
get a big I mean, to be a running back
in the Chiefs offense has been a pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Solid spot and he was really a bigger role that
he could.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Had set in front of him there than he would
have had if he came here, and he would have
been how are we going to fit you in between
the other two guys you really like? And so it
makes sense why he ended up there. But I don't
think people saw the Chiefs coming in that quickly and
that aggressively after p Run.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'll acknowledge. I'm not even sure I until I looked
at his numbers from last year. It went poorly in
Denver for the team. It's not like he had a
non productive season. They caught more passes there last year
than he did in any season in the Bengals uniform.
But he could still play. He was solid, He was solid.
He just became expensive. And they really liked their three
young running backs. And when they when they drafted, they
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get from under Dame in whatever round that was fourth rown.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
It kind of put the riding on the wall just
monetarily that they were going to save that money.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So he has what like one rushing when receiving touchdown
Week two, just because that's.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's no question central role in that game. None.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
What's you and I? You and I both know that's happening.
I am curious as to why kJ Henry was available. Yes,
from the Washington commands. So was our athletic guy that
covers the commanders.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Uh, they you know, he was running with their second
group all off season and all through preseason and played
really well in the preseason. I mean he was equivalent
of what like Joseph Osai would be here, you know,
as far as where he was on the depth chart
for them and how he was playing.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They were, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
But the problem that you get Adam Peters comes in
there in Washington and now my guy right drafted the
year before, so now something he didn't like about him.
Who knows, maybe he just once is I don't know
how that happened. I don't know enough about the dynamics
of what's going on there, but it does make sense
why they would take a shot on somebody who was
drafted last year, appears to have gotten better every time
(30:03):
he's strapped him on, and is still young and kind
of an ascending potential talent.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So yeah, I mean, you never know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, it's still a guy who really played well
in the preseason. In one of his sacks is when
the Patriots decided not to block anybody and run into
each other instead, So you don't you don't know one
hundred percent how it's gonna turn out, but there's a
lot of potential there. He certainly makes a ton of
sense for a guy they need right now. While Miles
Murphy's on it.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well, I or texted a guy who does what I
do in Washington and said, like, is kJ Henry a
turt or something like what's the problem here? And he's like, no,
I had no idea why they cut him. I think
the Bengals have something there, I think, especially for what
they're looking for. Yeah, you know, rotate him in with
those those other edge guys.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, I mean right now, when you've got Cedric Johnson
is the fourth guy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Right now, you have Cam Sample Miles Murphy. Both go down.
They're looking for a little bit extra and see what
you get.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Because every team has the biggest concern. The athletic canvas
is the thirty two people who covers Pacific team and
the biggest concern and as you put it, I think
on social media, first world problems. Yeah, but it's it's
this team against the run, which is something you and
I talked about. I just I think they're gonna be
bad against the run. You listed that as their biggest concern.
(31:14):
I think they're gonna be bad against the run. I'm
I certainly wish they weren't, But I don't think that's
gonna torpedo. I don't think that's gonna define what they
are defensively. I think it's all about those guys on
the back end in terms of judging how they are
from last year to this.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, and you know, I think they'll play. It'll come
into play in division games. In particular, we saw what
happened in the Aps New York last year where they
just they got trounced in the trenches often and the
line of scrimmage got moved four yards more often than
it should. And I still think that's an issue that
(31:48):
they have to get figured out.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It doesn't feel like they addressed it as much as
you would like at the defensive tackle position. That also,
you know you're right though, I it's as long as
you're not a total train wreck.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
If you can get after the passer and and and
have good cover guys and play from ahead like you
plant a bunch, you can mitigate that risk.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It doesn't have to be that bad.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The question is also can they also get after the
passer as much as they need to. You know, you
like the the the addition of rankings in that regard
because I feel like that was really so much of
what was missing. And I do think they have depth
at that defensive imposition, especially once Murphy comes back to
do different things where you're you're maybe putting him out
there and kicking Hubbard inside or whatever you're doing there.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But they that needs to be if you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Be if you're not gonna be great against the run,
you better get after the passer pretty consistently.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so that that needs to be the case.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And that's and that's the best way you know to
to assure that it doesn't end up really really killing you.
But the defense isn't gonna be what carries this team.
Like the defense is where the holes are. This is
gonna be a team that ascends if they get where
they want to get because they have.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
A top five off and they have an okay defense.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, and that that equation, I'm fine works give me
League average across the board.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Defensively, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Although I don't think they can get there against the run,
I think they can get their explosive plays pass rush defense,
not as many mistackles that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Absolutely, and that's you know, I kind of wrote this
and we talked about this on the Defensive preview pod
that we did, and that story I had it on
Monday on how they just feel like just stabilizing the
communication with von Bell and Ginostone and the massive strides
they've seen in that over the course of not just
the offseason, but even week tweaken camp to where they're
in a really good place with.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That right now.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Changes so much of even the run game stuff where
stuff just gets out the backside because someone's not anticipating something.
They're they're anticipating and seeing the next step far more often,
where last year they were just trying to even get
they were behind on getting the first step even in
and that makes such a difference in how fast your
linebackers play, your ability to keep plays from getting out
(33:58):
that shouldn't get out of And guys, you know, if
you watched last year.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Just running wide open in space, and so.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
If you just take that away, you get back to
you get back to normal, and then you can build.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Off of that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And you wrote about von Bell and communication, yep. And
I think I brought this up on that podcast. When
I think of lose defenses his first few years, I
think of no assignment errors, nobody in the wrong spot,
nobody trying to do too much, make them earn it,
make them earn it. And with the improved communication, with
the return of vonn Bell, I just I feel like
we're going to see the return of a defense that
(34:30):
is going to have its deficiencies, but doesn't do some
of the things that was guilty of doing last year.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And that regard smart football players, you know be stoned too.
I mean, who just have shown that shown that savvy
to understand what's coming, having knack for the ball, anticipate
things goes a long way, and especially when you when
you combine that with the potential and a couple of
things at play. Their schedule is just a lot of
quarterbacks that are probably going to turn it over a
(34:55):
bunch this year. Young guys experienced offenses, poor offensive lines
from in the first part of the season and expectations
to play from ahead. Against those types of teams, you
can really turn people over. You can really get that
turnover momentum going early in the season, and that's something
that we've seen carry throughout seasons here.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You can't bank on that.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Specifically from year to year, but I do think the
types of players they have. We saw that run from
Cam Taylor Britt last year, you know where he had
those interceptions in that stretch before his injury. Gino Stone
had all those interceptions in Baltimore. You know, Von Bellis
had a career high for interceptions last season.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
He was here, right.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean, these are guys that can do that and
can create that, and then they should be in places
situationally to try to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's the optimistic view.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
If you don't get turnovers, you know you're you can
be in a bad spot and you don't want to
have to rely on that.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But I do think they're a bilt to create them.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I need your take on an important development on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh yeah, when we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
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Speaker 2 (36:35):
They sure do.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That offensive roster is awful, and defensively they traded away
Matthew Judon.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean, they've got it's it's hard that I
was talking to Ben Volden from the Boston Globe for
the podcast today and I was just like, after he
went on for about twelve minutes about just how awful
everything is there right now, he pointed out, so what's
the path, What's what's the path to them winning actually
winning some games?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So I think if they can.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Get three yards in a cloud of dust and the
other team decimated by injuries, I think they've got a
chance to get to win some games. So that's that's
pretty much where they're at with it. They have no weapons,
no passing game. They're putting Jacoby Brusse out out there
because they don't want Drake Man. Offensive line is really bad.
kJ Henry will be delighted to potentially get in there
(37:24):
against the team that just ran into each other rather
than book him and let.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Him get the sack.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That it's that, you know, Ramandre Stevenson is the running back.
You know, there's there is not a lot to brand
new coaching staff. All of Van Pelt is there as
the as the OC. Now everything is new. We're you know,
you're going on the road to a Bengals team that
has continuity coming out the Wazoo. It's it's you can't
(37:51):
lose this game and it really honestly can't be close,
no at all.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean that's the This is the ultimate. It's only
a lose lose like right, there's really really.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Just you just need to go go win and don't
worry about it. But the only bad thing, the only
thing can happen is something really bad.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Ye. This this feels like Week one for a college
football team when they're playing an FCS upon on Sunday.
Dan Hurley of the Yukon Husky's two time defending national champions, Yeah,
will be the ruler of the jungle. He was a
hardcore looks like a real Bengals No real bag, I
mean like a real you know. Dan horde has told
the story of you see being at an NCAA tournament
(38:28):
site with Rhode Island when Dan Hurley was the coach
there and like Dan coming up to him, Dan coming
up to Dan Horden asking him like about, you know,
is this guy gonna make the team? And what about this?
Why didn't they Are they gonna draft this guy? Like
that guy is he's on one of these celebrity fans.
That's Oh yeah, I'm a Bengals fan. Like Dan Hurley
would pass a few of those litmus tests a bunch
of them. Yeah, I know him and then his family,
(38:50):
his kids are really into it. They've become kind of
Bengals fans together. I had him on our podcast this
summer after the twenty twenty season, after.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Bros rookie year.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, he was talking then about out like you know,
just I I understand. I feel like I have a
good understanding of you can see the leadership. I feel
like you can see the way people were responding to
him and the way that he you could you could
feel it and Uh, he was right, you know he
was he was right about that. And and but he
tells a story about how he's been a fan forever
and absolute die hard screaming and yelling at the TV,
(39:18):
just like he screams and yells at the refs and
and pretty much the same, uh, the same kind of intensity.
I wouldn't mind watching a game with dinner. They'd be
curious if with the level of like is like in
the living room compared to this.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I would like to see that. I I am kind
of curious because you know, they're in the same league
as Xavior, and you you see fans, I mean they
got mad when John Calipari throughout the first pitch in
the Reds game. How many area college basketball fans who
attend on Sunday will boo him? Like some more will
to be just such euphoria over the seasons about to
(39:49):
start that, Like, I could be the rule of the
just too busy yelling who day they're saying them, they're
saying who, they're extending the Yeah, that's little. I think
it's I think it's a cool. I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I mean, I mean, the guy was the most popular
coach and all of the sporting The Lakers are trying
to lure him. I mean, he's two time national, he
loves the mangles. I think it's better than some of
the other people we seek show up to do ceremonial
things around town.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
They don't even know where it's city.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
There is no doubt about it. I'm not gonna boo him,
but I I think I I there are people in
my orbit that I think will There's gonna be Kentucky
fans that are mad that he didn't go there. We're
gonna be Xavier fans that they're in the Big East,
AND's gonna be UC fans. They bow anybody who's not
their coach, and in many cases they.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bow him, you know, boo boo.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
When they tried out the influencers and all the other
random people that then I'm doing this stuff. That's fine,
but the guy who's the coach, the guys will got
two national titles celebrate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Okay, next time, I'm gonna find out who those influencers are.
You want to see good.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Booed, you have to go. I mean whatever, thank you
for joining that boo is a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
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Speaker 2 (40:55):
Is Sports Up.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I'm Christine Lacy.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Florida State fell out of the AP College Football Poll
after an zero to two start to the season, only
the third team to go from a preseason top ten
to unranked in the first regular season poll since the
rankings expanded to twenty five in nineteen eighty nine. Forty
nine Ers All Pro left tackle Trent Williams pulledouts over
the sides are finalizing a deal. He missed all of
training camp as part of his contract dispute. The Niners
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open up the season at home versus the Jets in
six days. No worries for the team, though, regarding Williams
for Monday Night Notes, Our Harry Douglas, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
He's a veteran.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
He's thirty six years old.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So if you can count on anyone being in tip
top shape and ready for the season outside of football,
it's going to be a guy in Trent Williams. You know,
football is football because you're consistently contacting defensive players and
that's a part.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of being in shape. I just don't feel like.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
They're going to be on a pitch count because they
trust Trent Williams so.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Much Harry Douglas as the Jets prepare for that game.
Defensive end Hassan Reddick remains a holdout. Coach Robert Sala
again today not ruling out Reddick if he shows up
this week and ends his holdout.
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