September 11, 2025 • 7 mins
Richard Skinner from Local 12 joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Richard Skinner is with US Local twelve dot com on
Twitter at Local twelve. Skinny at Local twelve joins us
every single Wednesday. We're starting the hour today with a
high skinny.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, Mo, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm doing very well. Did the Bengals defense take a
step on Sunday or did they benefit from the schedule
making schedule makers giving them the Browns in week one?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You gave me an either or question. I'm gonna say
yes because I think I think it's true on both. No,
I mean it's shue on both accounts. I mean, listen,
based off what we saw in the preseason, Mo, right,
I mean it was ugly. It was It wasn't even
it wasn't even like oh, okay, I get it was ugly.
I mean there's thirty eight yard runs here and forty
yard runs there, and it was awful. And again, I
(00:44):
will say, I know there's no bj Hill, there was
no Trey Henderson. The corners didn't play in the first game.
I'm not making excuses. Those are facts that you didn't
have a chunk of your starters. But it still looked
ugly and it had cause for pause that said, it's
old man slack and it's carried you who drops passes
and drops passes in the other team's hands. And that
was a great intercession by Jordan Battle, but he did
(01:06):
drop the ball. He bobbed the ball. It's a pedestrian
running game. It's it's there's a lot of that, and
they gave up a couple of big drives. But the
part that I thought was interesting, I think this is
the mo of. You want to go down the fielder
on us, it's gonna take you a while. And if
if you want to let it take you a while,
that's fine. You're gonna get a couple on us, but
(01:26):
you're not making big plays and you're gonna eventually mess up.
That may be different this week. They may blitz the
living daylights out of Jacksonville for all I know, But
that seems like right now the mo of we've got
some depth up front, We're gonna rotate our depth, we're
gonna be fresh, and by the fourth quarter, we're gonna
wear you down defensively and you won't be able to
do the things you may maybe did. I mean, well,
(01:47):
there were two alarming drives. Right There's a ten minute driving,
an almost eight minute drive those are warming, but that's
all they want basically. And yes, you had Schmidt Schmitt
himself and you know, miss an extra point miss in
a field goal. The Browns Brown's things because that's why
good the Browns. But all in all, I thought that
was a great step forward for the defense.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I wanted one thing beyond them to win the game.
I wanted to see no miss tackles, and I'm sure
they missed something, but I did miss them. I didn't
see as many as I did last year. I saw
something to build on there. And that game on Sunday
was the first time in a while that in real
time I sat out loud, Hey there's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Logan Wilson, No and listen. So I did your buddy
Paul Danner's podcast at Downtown last week and he does
a by sell something on the podcast and I got
booed last ye because I sell was Ta Higgins because
he was hurt when we did the podcast. And so
this year I said, you know, my cell was Logan Wilson.
(02:44):
He looked slow, he looked older, he's doing injury, he
got injury issues, injury history. He looked great, and I
hope that's the case. Look I even say the pie.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm glad I was wrong. I
like Logan that the Bengals need Logan. You can't suddenly
all of a sudden, like they get on Sunday first,
actually have a two rookie linebackers look at each other like, hey,
how are you? How are you? Have you played before?
(03:04):
No mean, I mean that's that's a tough place to be,
and that's where they were for a chunk when Logan
went out for a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I also saw two rookies on defense and one on offense.
So look, Dylan Fairchild wasn't perfect, but I didn't watch
him across the course of the afternoon thinking oh boy,
he's going to be a liability and then defensively sort
of the same with Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's so funny about Shamar Stewarts. So I do as
you know what podcast with Rick Boring every week, and
we were talking about that on the podcast day, about
Shamar especially, and so I'm sure you saw the tweet
where Shamar and Miles Garrett's PFF grade and pass rush
win rate were literally almost identical percentage points away, and
it was like Okay, I saw that. I saw that
with my own eyes watching him win. And then you
(03:47):
know what, if you look at the stat sheet, you
know what he didn't do. He didn't record a single
stat And that's again maybe that's maybe that's the part
where we looking back at his textas seeing him and
career and go, gosh, he does effect games. Maybe he
doesn't show up the statue for whatever reason. Now we're
at the point where at some point you also need
to finish some of this stuff. But there was a
play where he sets the edge and turns the guy
inside and somebody else makes the tackle. You know what,
(04:08):
you get credit for, get credit from the coaching staff
for that. You don't get credit on the stat sheet
for that. But it's a good play. Somebody needs to
set the edge, you know. As much as Sam Hubber
was kind of a I like Sam, Sam was just
a guy. But Sam did all the things coaches love,
Like if you're supposed to set the edge, set it,
and you get no credit for that other than when
the coaches going watch Sam on film, watch how he
(04:29):
set the edge. No fan knows that, no stat knows that.
And I think there was that was Schamar I think
there were times for Schamorro also got some pass rush
where he didn't get home, didn't get close, but he
affected maybe the timing of a Joe Flacco pass. So
I think again the next step is show up on
stat sheet. But yeah, I mean overall, I thought he
was really good. I mean he was no, No, he
was noticeable, and I think that was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, that's that's all that I was looking for, Richard
Skinner from Local twelve Local twelve dot com. Were their
offensive issues simply attributed to the fact that Browns have
the antidote, which is Miles Garrett and sticky corners Or
was there something deeper?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, I like think there's anything deeper. Divid think is
a great point. Last three years in Cleveland. Here's the
artist totals two years ago in the rain where you
know they can't play in the rain as we know,
and again it was Joe with dealing with a cat issue.
But they had one hundred and forty two yards. Last
year they had two hundred eleven thanks to Charlie Jones
nine even our kickoff return they won. This year they
have one hundred and forty one yards. I just think
for whatever reason facing them up there is just a challenge.
(05:29):
That's three years of that's not anecdote eleven, that's three
years of pretty good evidence that you just have a
hard time up there. I do think they they were conservative.
I think they were wary of Miles Garrett, and I
think to some degree Miles Garrett gets in their head
a little bit to where that's all they're thinking about is.
You know, there's a lot of criticism of Zach Taylor
because of the timeouts Joe Burrow took. We talked to
(05:50):
Dan Pitcher today and I think Dan kind of really
let the counter back a little bit, not in a
bad way like we got in some looks where we
were just worried about where Myles was lined up on
a particular play call and Joe didn't like it. And
that's fine, Joe doesn't that. But again, you know, the
Christmas was Zach Keller and not communicating. It wasn't that
at all. It was Miles Garrett's here. We don't want
(06:12):
him to be here. Let's get into a different play
And I do think Miles is in their head. But
then when you watch that one series where Miles goes
sack sack, have a good day. You go, Okay, I
get it, but that was literally one series, So stop
worrying it might be stop worrying about him, So just
play your game, and your game's usually a pretty good game.
Now to the other point of that, you're worried about
(06:33):
Miles Garrett got to he's gonna rush the passer and
then you're trying to win one on ones on the outside. Well,
Denzel Ward, he might be one of the few corners
in this league. He doesn't shut Jamar Chase out, but
he does shut him down. I mean, they took a
couple of shots. Even Greg Newsome the one time made
a good play on Jamar. I think they just have
good man corners. They got a dude as a generational talent,
(06:55):
and you just you're worried about him, and so I
get it. I'm not worried about anybody worried about This
offense is silly. This offense has too many dudes, and
you only play Cleveland twice and you don't play them
Aga until the end of the season. So uh again,
they're not the best defense in the NFL. They're just
a bad matchup for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm silly and I'm not concerned about the offense, so
that says something.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
There. You go, all right, you're the.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Man, thanks so much, Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All right, brother, be good, all right, thanks both.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We're communicating about as well as me and my ex
Richard Skinner from.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Take Time Out Tickets.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Let me take a time out, take time out, all
right bye Richard.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yea
Richard Skinner is with US Local twelve dot com on
Twitter at Local twelve. Skinny at Local twelve joins us
every single Wednesday. We're starting the hour today with a
high skinny.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, Mo, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm doing very well. Did the Bengals defense take a
step on Sunday or did they benefit from the schedule
making schedule makers giving them the Browns in week one?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You gave me an either or question. I'm gonna say
yes because I think I think it's true on both. No,
I mean it's shue on both accounts. I mean, listen,
based off what we saw in the preseason, Mo, right,
I mean it was ugly. It was It wasn't even
it wasn't even like oh, okay, I get it was ugly.
I mean there's thirty eight yard runs here and forty
yard runs there, and it was awful. And again, I
(00:44):
will say, I know there's no bj Hill, there was
no Trey Henderson. The corners didn't play in the first game.
I'm not making excuses. Those are facts that you didn't
have a chunk of your starters. But it still looked
ugly and it had cause for pause that said, it's
old man slack and it's carried you who drops passes
and drops passes in the other team's hands. And that
was a great intercession by Jordan Battle, but he did
(01:06):
drop the ball. He bobbed the ball. It's a pedestrian
running game. It's it's there's a lot of that, and
they gave up a couple of big drives. But the
part that I thought was interesting, I think this is
the mo of. You want to go down the fielder
on us, it's gonna take you a while. And if
if you want to let it take you a while,
that's fine. You're gonna get a couple on us, but
(01:26):
you're not making big plays and you're gonna eventually mess up.
That may be different this week. They may blitz the
living daylights out of Jacksonville for all I know, But
that seems like right now the mo of we've got
some depth up front, We're gonna rotate our depth, we're
gonna be fresh, and by the fourth quarter, we're gonna
wear you down defensively and you won't be able to
do the things you may maybe did. I mean, well,
(01:47):
there were two alarming drives. Right There's a ten minute driving,
an almost eight minute drive those are warming, but that's
all they want basically. And yes, you had Schmidt Schmitt
himself and you know, miss an extra point miss in
a field goal. The Browns Brown's things because that's why
good the Browns. But all in all, I thought that
was a great step forward for the defense.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I wanted one thing beyond them to win the game.
I wanted to see no miss tackles, and I'm sure
they missed something, but I did miss them. I didn't
see as many as I did last year. I saw
something to build on there. And that game on Sunday
was the first time in a while that in real
time I sat out loud, Hey there's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Logan Wilson, No and listen. So I did your buddy
Paul Danner's podcast at Downtown last week and he does
a by sell something on the podcast and I got
booed last ye because I sell was Ta Higgins because
he was hurt when we did the podcast. And so
this year I said, you know, my cell was Logan Wilson.
(02:44):
He looked slow, he looked older, he's doing injury, he
got injury issues, injury history. He looked great, and I
hope that's the case. Look I even say the pie.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm glad I was wrong. I
like Logan that the Bengals need Logan. You can't suddenly
all of a sudden, like they get on Sunday first,
actually have a two rookie linebackers look at each other like, hey,
how are you? How are you? Have you played before?
(03:04):
No mean, I mean that's that's a tough place to be,
and that's where they were for a chunk when Logan
went out for a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I also saw two rookies on defense and one on offense.
So look, Dylan Fairchild wasn't perfect, but I didn't watch
him across the course of the afternoon thinking oh boy,
he's going to be a liability and then defensively sort
of the same with Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's so funny about Shamar Stewarts. So I do as
you know what podcast with Rick Boring every week, and
we were talking about that on the podcast day, about
Shamar especially, and so I'm sure you saw the tweet
where Shamar and Miles Garrett's PFF grade and pass rush
win rate were literally almost identical percentage points away, and
it was like Okay, I saw that. I saw that
with my own eyes watching him win. And then you
(03:47):
know what, if you look at the stat sheet, you
know what he didn't do. He didn't record a single
stat And that's again maybe that's maybe that's the part
where we looking back at his textas seeing him and
career and go, gosh, he does effect games. Maybe he
doesn't show up the statue for whatever reason. Now we're
at the point where at some point you also need
to finish some of this stuff. But there was a
play where he sets the edge and turns the guy
inside and somebody else makes the tackle. You know what,
(04:08):
you get credit for, get credit from the coaching staff
for that. You don't get credit on the stat sheet
for that. But it's a good play. Somebody needs to
set the edge, you know. As much as Sam Hubber
was kind of a I like Sam, Sam was just
a guy. But Sam did all the things coaches love,
Like if you're supposed to set the edge, set it,
and you get no credit for that other than when
the coaches going watch Sam on film, watch how he
(04:29):
set the edge. No fan knows that, no stat knows that.
And I think there was that was Schamar I think
there were times for Schamorro also got some pass rush
where he didn't get home, didn't get close, but he
affected maybe the timing of a Joe Flacco pass. So
I think again the next step is show up on
stat sheet. But yeah, I mean overall, I thought he
was really good. I mean he was no, No, he
was noticeable, and I think that was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, that's that's all that I was looking for, Richard
Skinner from Local twelve Local twelve dot com. Were their
offensive issues simply attributed to the fact that Browns have
the antidote, which is Miles Garrett and sticky corners Or
was there something deeper?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, I like think there's anything deeper. Divid think is
a great point. Last three years in Cleveland. Here's the
artist totals two years ago in the rain where you
know they can't play in the rain as we know,
and again it was Joe with dealing with a cat issue.
But they had one hundred and forty two yards. Last
year they had two hundred eleven thanks to Charlie Jones
nine even our kickoff return they won. This year they
have one hundred and forty one yards. I just think
for whatever reason facing them up there is just a challenge.
(05:29):
That's three years of that's not anecdote eleven, that's three
years of pretty good evidence that you just have a
hard time up there. I do think they they were conservative.
I think they were wary of Miles Garrett, and I
think to some degree Miles Garrett gets in their head
a little bit to where that's all they're thinking about is.
You know, there's a lot of criticism of Zach Taylor
because of the timeouts Joe Burrow took. We talked to
(05:50):
Dan Pitcher today and I think Dan kind of really
let the counter back a little bit, not in a
bad way like we got in some looks where we
were just worried about where Myles was lined up on
a particular play call and Joe didn't like it. And
that's fine, Joe doesn't that. But again, you know, the
Christmas was Zach Keller and not communicating. It wasn't that
at all. It was Miles Garrett's here. We don't want
(06:12):
him to be here. Let's get into a different play
And I do think Miles is in their head. But
then when you watch that one series where Miles goes
sack sack, have a good day. You go, Okay, I
get it, but that was literally one series, So stop
worrying it might be stop worrying about him, So just
play your game, and your game's usually a pretty good game.
Now to the other point of that, you're worried about
(06:33):
Miles Garrett got to he's gonna rush the passer and
then you're trying to win one on ones on the outside. Well,
Denzel Ward, he might be one of the few corners
in this league. He doesn't shut Jamar Chase out, but
he does shut him down. I mean, they took a
couple of shots. Even Greg Newsome the one time made
a good play on Jamar. I think they just have
good man corners. They got a dude as a generational talent,
(06:55):
and you just you're worried about him, and so I
get it. I'm not worried about anybody worried about This
offense is silly. This offense has too many dudes, and
you only play Cleveland twice and you don't play them
Aga until the end of the season. So uh again,
they're not the best defense in the NFL. They're just
a bad matchup for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm silly and I'm not concerned about the offense, so
that says something.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
There. You go, all right, you're the.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Man, thanks so much, Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All right, brother, be good, all right, thanks both.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We're communicating about as well as me and my ex
Richard Skinner from.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Take Time Out Tickets.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Let me take a time out, take time out, all
right bye Richard.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yea
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