September 11, 2025 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Exactly twenty four hours after we were supposed to do
this yesterday. Our buddy Sean Sayatt is with us. If
you want to be a smart, knowledgeable, informed football genius,
then you should subscribe to Shawn's newsletter, the Stats and
Schime newsletter from Sumer Sports. Shawn was our new acquisition
(00:20):
last year, and he's with us today a day late.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, Sean, how you doing No, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, we get to talk about this Bengals defense
for another year.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You just couldn't keep me away.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm excited to talk about a bunch of things. I
think I'm going to be able to talk through some
film stuff. And then we got a bunch of new
data from Summer Sports, so we're going to start to
be able to kind of put out publicly. So I'm
excited to see, you know, how much our eyes match
some of the AI data for this season.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
All right, well, let's let's do it with the Bengals defense.
The game in Cleveland? Were they actually good or just
lucky they played the Browns?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both, for sure.
I think they were.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
They had a rough time on a sort of down
to down basis. Where it felt like the Browns were
just not like creating a ton of explosive plays, but
you're able to just kind of stay.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Ahead of the chance.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You're able to get to another manageable down. And when
the Browns put a second tiight end on the field,
they got a little bit heavier. They got in that
under center kind of ground and pound. Look, I think
that made life a little bit hard on a Bengals
defense that didn't really want to blitz in Week one.
They didn't really want to put heavier personnel. They didn't
want to take that fifth defensive back on the field
a lot. But no, you know, I think I've heard
(01:25):
a few things about Shamar Stewart in Week one. Some
people say, oh, you know, he didn't kind of pop
in the this number of that number.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, I was watching and I think I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Someone who like he's he very much has the traits
and even if he's not this kind of like slim
edge rusher that we're all used to seeing, just kind
of winning with feet on the edge, that guy can
run through someone's face and I think he's going to
be crunching pockets all year this season.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, you know, coming out of the draft, and I
think you and I may have even talked about this.
Everybody focuses on one and a half sacks. I understand why, right,
you want an edge rusher to sack the quarterback, but
he was disruptive in college, and if I get that
level of disruption here, good things are going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Absolutely like and when you have Trey Hendrickson, they're thankfully
you still have Trey Hendrickson there for however long that
may be.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He causes so much stress.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So if you are forcing the quarterback to say, hey,
I can't look to the left.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Because Henderson is coming around the edge.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And if I look to the right, my right tackle
is going to be in my lap because of how
strong Schmark Stewart is, that is a real positive thing.
So I'm really excited to kind of see that through
this season because you've got to be able to create
something on defense. And now I will say, like, kind
of technically, the Ben defense did win them this game
with creating some turnovers, So I do think overall, I
leave that game being kind of excited about where Schmar
(02:40):
Stewart is at right now. Obviously want to see it
along a bigger sample along just more and more, oh
against better tackles overall.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So I think that'll be a fun one and something
that we talk about a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
One more on their defense. So they they had a
hard time in the preseason, and you always take preseason
results with a grain of salt. One of the one
of the reasons thrown out for their defensive issues in
the preseason was well, they're not showing anything. Al Golden
even talked about that. Zach Taylor did as well, they're
not showing anything. They're being vanilla. That's fine. You hear
that all the time in the preseason. Uh, what did
(03:12):
you see from Al golden scheme that would suggest differences
from what we saw last year under lu Aromo?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know not. I don't want to say a ton.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think overall, it feels like it is really the
bones of the same defense, I guess, you know. Golden
and at Miami Ran I think a lot more man coverage.
I still I feel like Romo's approach was we're going
to be multiple in our zone coverage, and I felt like,
you know, maybe it put a little bit too much
on the plate of some of those defenders.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I didn't look at it when I watched and say, oh,
there was this crazy coverage rotation. This is something that
we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
A whole week, which you don't have to have that
to be a successful defense. But I think, you know,
maybe get a little bit of just a difference up front,
but a lot of things kind of are carrying over.
So I do think that their banking that they're going
to improve based on getting their players to play faster,
play a little bit more confident overall, as opposed to like, hey,
we're going to scheme up something crazy and now.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, I obviously don't want to bring this up. Cold
defense looks pretty sweet with I think with players.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That with players that he might be a little bit
more comfortable with overall. So like everyone wants to be, oh,
we want to be the Brian Flores's defense, we want
to do this, We want to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You do have to cater to your players, and if
your players are not in the spot to be able
to do that yet, you want to try and find
ways to get them to play fast.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Sean side is with a subscribe to his newsletter, the
Stats and Scheme Newsletter at sumer sports dot com. Uh
offensively look the Browns. We've talked about it here for
a couple of days. Not a great matchup. Miles Garrett's
a hard matchup for everybody. They have good corners. But
did they do anything against the Bengals that someone else,
like say the Jacksonville Jaguars, could could steal from other
(04:53):
than just you know, stealing their players.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I mean, yeah, it would be nice if every team
could steal Miles Garrett right, just for the stats.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Every game.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
To me, when I was watching it, it felt like
the Browns were winning on those kind.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Of fifty to fifty type situations.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Where you say, hey, Jamar Chase is on the outside,
we're gonna play him as tight as possible, and if
we win, we win.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like if we lose, we lose.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's gonna be so many times this season where I
come on and I'm excited, like, oh man, Chase just
totally moss this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was so so good.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But the Browns kept winning those situations over and over, and.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I feel like, you know that, I just don't think
that's gonna happen every week.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Do I think you could maybe manufacture different ways to
get Chase on the movement? And I do think they
were a little bit creative in their all offensive usage,
where you get a second tight end on the field
and now you're forcing the defense to play a little
bit different. I do like I mean, I don't like
well that Joe Burrow was being like.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Put him to a pressol.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I did not enjoy watching some of those hits, and
I was happy to watch them and not feeling them.
Those were pretty rough, But seeing his ability to continue
to move through the pocket like that is something that's
obviously very encouraging. I part of me feels like, Okay,
you get through the preseason with that on the injuries,
there is a positivity there where you are able to
be kind of on some of your stuff in the
pocket overall.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Imagine that everyone's gonna play as good as the Browns
defensive back.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So I guess that's something that if that keeps happening.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Denny Schuttelukay, are we doing enough to get to Jamar
Chase on the move and involved in the game.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Talk to me about the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think they
have a guy in Brian Thomas who I believe is
one of the best two or three players that no
one has ever heard of. Didn't have a very productive
first game against the Carolina Panthers. Jacksonville wins that game easily.
It's another head coach, it's another system for Trevor Lawrence.
Travis Dien had a very good game. Obviously, we're gonna
be paying close attention to Travis Hunter and how they
(06:41):
use him as well. Liam Cohen is a darling among
people who love schemes. Even though he never stays in
one place. What makes what he does so challenging for
opposing defenses.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I'm guilty of being a Liam Cohen fan for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I will say that I think he does a good
job adapting scheme to what his offense was. So with
Tampa Bay, they had a really good offensive line that
can move around in different ways. I think with Travis Hunter,
he was trying to get him kind of manufactured touches
where it's like display is sort of meant for you,
and I really like that, like, hey, you want to
get one of your guys.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Going in the game.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think that he is doing his best just streamline
things for Trevor Lawrence overall, where you don't want Lawrence
to kind of be patting the ball and getting his
feet kind of funky in the pocket and creating some
issues that way.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So I liked watching some of Cohen's designs in week one.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You're gonna get some heavy sets. You're gonna have to
be able to fit the run. If Cohen can just
run on you all game long, he is more than
happy to. So I think that that's something that will
be on the lookout certainly this season. Anthony Campanelli on
the defense, and I think he had some interesting looks
overall where it's gonna be a lot of zone coverage.
I think that he is also certainly going to prioritize
stopping the run, just.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Getting a little bit funky on the back end.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But now you have one name of what he is
called under his belt where you can watch that film.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It isn't just like a total total like what is
this guy? It's gonna even become. But you do have
to face Jack Hine down.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You don't have face Miles Garrett, but still have a
good addresser that I think you're still hoping for better
pass protection overall from the Medals Unit.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Folks should have already subscribed to the newsletter. For those
who have not, tell them what they get what they do.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Appreciate that though you go Summer sports dot Com slash
subscribe to get full advanced data scheme notes, game previews,
and game reviews for every single game across the entire season.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Our whole job.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And we thought of it as like, if you became
a head coach tomorrow and knew nothing about anything in football,
could we hand you something and you would know every
single important detail you would know. And we're improving it
every week as they're changing a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We just send it out Monday morning. Thursday morning. You
open it up. You don't even to watch any of
the games.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Just watch the Bengals game, open the newsletter and hopefully
you know as much as you need to to talk
to your friends all week.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Awesome as always, man, We'll talk next week and I
appreciate it as all looking forward to That's our guy,
Sean Saya. The Stats and Scheme newsletter is an absolute must.
Get it at Summer sports dot com s U n E.
R
Exactly twenty four hours after we were supposed to do
this yesterday. Our buddy Sean Sayatt is with us. If
you want to be a smart, knowledgeable, informed football genius,
then you should subscribe to Shawn's newsletter, the Stats and
Schime newsletter from Sumer Sports. Shawn was our new acquisition
(00:20):
last year, and he's with us today a day late.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, Sean, how you doing No, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, we get to talk about this Bengals defense
for another year.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You just couldn't keep me away.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm excited to talk about a bunch of things. I
think I'm going to be able to talk through some
film stuff. And then we got a bunch of new
data from Summer Sports, so we're going to start to
be able to kind of put out publicly. So I'm
excited to see, you know, how much our eyes match
some of the AI data for this season.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
All right, well, let's let's do it with the Bengals defense.
The game in Cleveland? Were they actually good or just
lucky they played the Browns?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both, for sure.
I think they were.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
They had a rough time on a sort of down
to down basis. Where it felt like the Browns were
just not like creating a ton of explosive plays, but
you're able to just kind of stay.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Ahead of the chance.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You're able to get to another manageable down. And when
the Browns put a second tiight end on the field,
they got a little bit heavier. They got in that
under center kind of ground and pound. Look, I think
that made life a little bit hard on a Bengals
defense that didn't really want to blitz in Week one.
They didn't really want to put heavier personnel. They didn't
want to take that fifth defensive back on the field
a lot. But no, you know, I think I've heard
(01:25):
a few things about Shamar Stewart in Week one. Some
people say, oh, you know, he didn't kind of pop
in the this number of that number.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, I was watching and I think I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Someone who like he's he very much has the traits
and even if he's not this kind of like slim
edge rusher that we're all used to seeing, just kind
of winning with feet on the edge, that guy can
run through someone's face and I think he's going to
be crunching pockets all year this season.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, you know, coming out of the draft, and I
think you and I may have even talked about this.
Everybody focuses on one and a half sacks. I understand why, right,
you want an edge rusher to sack the quarterback, but
he was disruptive in college, and if I get that
level of disruption here, good things are going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Absolutely like and when you have Trey Hendrickson, they're thankfully
you still have Trey Hendrickson there for however long that
may be.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He causes so much stress.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So if you are forcing the quarterback to say, hey,
I can't look to the left.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Because Henderson is coming around the edge.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And if I look to the right, my right tackle
is going to be in my lap because of how
strong Schmark Stewart is, that is a real positive thing.
So I'm really excited to kind of see that through
this season because you've got to be able to create
something on defense. And now I will say, like, kind
of technically, the Ben defense did win them this game
with creating some turnovers, So I do think overall, I
leave that game being kind of excited about where Schmar
(02:40):
Stewart is at right now. Obviously want to see it
along a bigger sample along just more and more, oh
against better tackles overall.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So I think that'll be a fun one and something
that we talk about a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
One more on their defense. So they they had a
hard time in the preseason, and you always take preseason
results with a grain of salt. One of the one
of the reasons thrown out for their defensive issues in
the preseason was well, they're not showing anything. Al Golden
even talked about that. Zach Taylor did as well, they're
not showing anything. They're being vanilla. That's fine. You hear
that all the time in the preseason. Uh, what did
(03:12):
you see from Al golden scheme that would suggest differences
from what we saw last year under lu Aromo?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know not. I don't want to say a ton.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think overall, it feels like it is really the
bones of the same defense, I guess, you know. Golden
and at Miami Ran I think a lot more man coverage.
I still I feel like Romo's approach was we're going
to be multiple in our zone coverage, and I felt like,
you know, maybe it put a little bit too much
on the plate of some of those defenders.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I didn't look at it when I watched and say, oh,
there was this crazy coverage rotation. This is something that
we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
A whole week, which you don't have to have that
to be a successful defense. But I think, you know,
maybe get a little bit of just a difference up front,
but a lot of things kind of are carrying over.
So I do think that their banking that they're going
to improve based on getting their players to play faster,
play a little bit more confident overall, as opposed to like, hey,
we're going to scheme up something crazy and now.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, I obviously don't want to bring this up. Cold
defense looks pretty sweet with I think with players.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That with players that he might be a little bit
more comfortable with overall. So like everyone wants to be, oh,
we want to be the Brian Flores's defense, we want
to do this, We want to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You do have to cater to your players, and if
your players are not in the spot to be able
to do that yet, you want to try and find
ways to get them to play fast.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Sean side is with a subscribe to his newsletter, the
Stats and Scheme Newsletter at sumer sports dot com. Uh
offensively look the Browns. We've talked about it here for
a couple of days. Not a great matchup. Miles Garrett's
a hard matchup for everybody. They have good corners. But
did they do anything against the Bengals that someone else,
like say the Jacksonville Jaguars, could could steal from other
(04:53):
than just you know, stealing their players.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I mean, yeah, it would be nice if every team
could steal Miles Garrett right, just for the stats.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Every game.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
To me, when I was watching it, it felt like
the Browns were winning on those kind.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Of fifty to fifty type situations.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Where you say, hey, Jamar Chase is on the outside,
we're gonna play him as tight as possible, and if
we win, we win.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like if we lose, we lose.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's gonna be so many times this season where I
come on and I'm excited, like, oh man, Chase just
totally moss this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was so so good.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But the Browns kept winning those situations over and over, and.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I feel like, you know that, I just don't think
that's gonna happen every week.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Do I think you could maybe manufacture different ways to
get Chase on the movement? And I do think they
were a little bit creative in their all offensive usage,
where you get a second tight end on the field
and now you're forcing the defense to play a little
bit different. I do like I mean, I don't like
well that Joe Burrow was being like.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Put him to a pressol.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I did not enjoy watching some of those hits, and
I was happy to watch them and not feeling them.
Those were pretty rough, But seeing his ability to continue
to move through the pocket like that is something that's
obviously very encouraging. I part of me feels like, Okay,
you get through the preseason with that on the injuries,
there is a positivity there where you are able to
be kind of on some of your stuff in the
pocket overall.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Imagine that everyone's gonna play as good as the Browns
defensive back.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So I guess that's something that if that keeps happening.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Denny Schuttelukay, are we doing enough to get to Jamar
Chase on the move and involved in the game.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Talk to me about the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think they
have a guy in Brian Thomas who I believe is
one of the best two or three players that no
one has ever heard of. Didn't have a very productive
first game against the Carolina Panthers. Jacksonville wins that game easily.
It's another head coach, it's another system for Trevor Lawrence.
Travis Dien had a very good game. Obviously, we're gonna
be paying close attention to Travis Hunter and how they
(06:41):
use him as well. Liam Cohen is a darling among
people who love schemes. Even though he never stays in
one place. What makes what he does so challenging for
opposing defenses.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I'm guilty of being a Liam Cohen fan for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I will say that I think he does a good
job adapting scheme to what his offense was. So with
Tampa Bay, they had a really good offensive line that
can move around in different ways. I think with Travis Hunter,
he was trying to get him kind of manufactured touches
where it's like display is sort of meant for you,
and I really like that, like, hey, you want to
get one of your guys.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Going in the game.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I think that he is doing his best just streamline
things for Trevor Lawrence overall, where you don't want Lawrence
to kind of be patting the ball and getting his
feet kind of funky in the pocket and creating some
issues that way.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So I liked watching some of Cohen's designs in week one.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You're gonna get some heavy sets. You're gonna have to
be able to fit the run. If Cohen can just
run on you all game long, he is more than
happy to. So I think that that's something that will
be on the lookout certainly this season. Anthony Campanelli on
the defense, and I think he had some interesting looks
overall where it's gonna be a lot of zone coverage.
I think that he is also certainly going to prioritize
stopping the run, just.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Getting a little bit funky on the back end.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But now you have one name of what he is
called under his belt where you can watch that film.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It isn't just like a total total like what is
this guy? It's gonna even become. But you do have
to face Jack Hine down.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You don't have face Miles Garrett, but still have a
good addresser that I think you're still hoping for better
pass protection overall from the Medals Unit.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Folks should have already subscribed to the newsletter. For those
who have not, tell them what they get what they do.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Appreciate that though you go Summer sports dot Com slash
subscribe to get full advanced data scheme notes, game previews,
and game reviews for every single game across the entire season.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Our whole job.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And we thought of it as like, if you became
a head coach tomorrow and knew nothing about anything in football,
could we hand you something and you would know every
single important detail you would know. And we're improving it
every week as they're changing a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We just send it out Monday morning. Thursday morning. You
open it up. You don't even to watch any of
the games.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Just watch the Bengals game, open the newsletter and hopefully
you know as much as you need to to talk
to your friends all week.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Awesome as always, man, We'll talk next week and I
appreciate it as all looking forward to That's our guy,
Sean Saya. The Stats and Scheme newsletter is an absolute must.
Get it at Summer sports dot com s U n E.
R
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