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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
All Right, Joe Burrow is scheduled to talk in nine minutes,
and I know, I know, if Joe Burrow says it,
you want to hear it, so we'll have that for
you live. I have a simple request from the quarterback
of the Cincinnati Bengals, the best QB in the NFL,
I believe, despite the fact he hardly played like it
on Sunday. Be on time today. We have we have

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a lot going on this afternoon. Just be on time,
just today. Thank you. We'll see Hi, Mullagger, ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Later on, our guy Sean Sayat, who typically joins us
on Tuesdays today, is going to join us at five
twenty the Stats and Scheme newsletter, and I want to
talk the specifics of what Cleveland did to Cincinnati's offense,

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what the Jacksonville Jaguars might try to do to Cincinnati's offense,
and Al Golden's defense in particular. That and so much
more with Sean coming up at five twenty. Also Danny
Canell in the four o'clock hour as well, say this
about the reds Man and I've said a lot. We
all have said a lot, right. We've picked apart their warts,

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they have tons of them. We've talked about all the
frustrating losses they've had, all the games that felt like
they were about to pretty much end the season, all
the gut punch losses that we feel like we're gonna
look back on when the season ends. We've talked about
their lack of power. We've talked about their offensive shortcomings.
We've discussed their bullpen shortcomings. This team has lots of deficiencies.

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This team has lots of warts. It's why they're just
a game over five hundred. But say this about him, man,
They've got bounce backability. They demonstrated it again last night
Tyler Stevenson an absolute rocket down the left field line,
a two run homer in the ninth and the Reds
win a game that felt oddly like the game they

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lost the night before. They hang on to beat the
Padres four to two. The Reds have a very uphill
battle in front of them, only three games out, but
was seventeen to go. That math is not good, especially
because they're trying to leap frog two teams. But the
New York Mets have opened the door. They haven't won
since Friday. They've had a hard time pulling away from

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the Reds and the Giants. They've lost series to bad teams,
like three out of four to Miami a few weeks ago.
They lost two out of three to the Reds this
weekend with a chance to basically end the Reds chances
of having any chance of contending. And as we talk today,
with the Reds getting said for their final game in
San Diego. They're three games out of the last wildcard spot. Obviously,

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the odds are not in their favor. Fangrafts dot Com
has the Reds holding a five percent chance of making
the postseason. But they've still got a puncher shot man,
and say what you want about this team, and I have,
and chances are you have. They have demonstrated often this

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season a degree of bounce back ability, which is admirable.
Oftentimes this year they have lost a game that felt
like that's the gut punch, that's it, that's the lost
that ends. This Friday night against the Mets felt like
one of them. Monday night in San Diego felt like

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one of them. And time and again they have bounced back.
That is great. There's one problem, though, and I tell
you what it is. But first, here is Tyler Stevenson.
After his heroics last night. He had a home run
taken away earlier in the game when Fernando Tattoos made

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a remarkable play. That was a game last night where
both teams made a lot of really good defensive plays.
Will Benson made one where I thought for a second
he jammed his shoulder or suffered a concussion. That sort
of thing. He also had a rocket of his own.
It's kind of cool. If you're only going to get
five hits, make three of them homers. We've talked about
the Reds lack of pop all season long. They certainly
had some pop last night, including from Tyler Stevenson in

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the ninth inning. Here is the Reds catcher after his
heroics postgame last night. Thank you very much, Tyler. That's
about as clutch as you can get. How that one
failed really good.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Kind of redeemed myself from last night facing them. Didn't
really get the job done last night, which was a heartbreaker,
so low extra motivation there trying to get redemption and stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
So it was huge.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
It was a great game and got the got the
winning run and.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
He'p did great, So it's huge. It's huge right.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now besides seeking redemption. How much does it help that
you saw him in a similar situation last night A lot?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I've faced him before.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
He's he's one of the better closers in the game
and stuff, and he's got an elite basketball. So just
had to be on time for it and got a
pitch I could hit and kind of stay through it.
I know, last night, I was a little too amped
up and I was amped up for one hundred miles
an hour Andy through ninety seven and got it a
little bit off the end stuff. So yeah, I mean
that those are always huge in those situations, and the

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more times you can kind of face guys is the
more familiarity you get and stuff. And it's always hard
with the bullpend like they're in there for one one
usually won ending and stuff.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
So yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Tyler Stevenson with Jim Day on the FanDuel Sports Network.
The Reds have demonstrated bounce backability all season long. I
would argue that has been their defining characteristic this season.
Next year, here's my wish it should be yours as well,
that bounce backability is not their defining characteristic, that it's
something much more tangible. More on that coming up later on.

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Joe Burrow is scheduled to speak in three minutes. Hopefully
he's on time. We'll find out if he is next
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Joe Burrow holding pattern. It's seventeen minutes after three o'clock.
Joe is scheduled to talk with the media at three
point fifteen, and so I know we're on Joe time
here and we all love Joe. But we'll see if
we'll see if he can be at least somewhat on time,
and we'll see if the assembled professional football media only

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asks the necessary questions, unlike last week, where about twenty
two to twenty three minutes in it kind of got silly.
So we'll see Joe is scheduled to talk here in
a minute or two. And I look, I know Joe
Burrow can do no wrong. I like, I get it.
If you're a guy in the radio complaining that Joe
Burrow is screwing up your show by being a few

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minutes late, no, no one's gonna have any sympathy for you.
Now if this is like Andy Dalton. First of all,
I'm not sure we whatever carry Andy Dalton press conference
is live, because I'm not sure anybody was hanging on
every word that he said. But I know things are
different with Joe. But I get it. You're listening to
this right now going mode. Joe can show up when
he wants, and that's all well and good. That's all

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well and good, But as a matter of courtesy, as
somebody who believes in punctuality, be cool. And by the way,
maybe Joe is like caught and he wants to go
to the press conference. But I don't know, like Zach
needs something or there's an attention that demands his time.
I don't know, but we'll hear Joe Burrow in just
a few minutes. There is something with the Bengals that

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has to change. And I feel like it's starting to
We'll get to that coming up in just a little
bit quickly on what I was talking about before as
it relates to the Reds the win last night in
San Diego, and look, man, I we've had the rug
pulled out from underneath this before with this particular team,
So being free was seventeen to go. You could acknowledge
the math. You can be encouraged by the fact that

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they have shaved three games off the lead since Friday night,
but you can be skeptical that they're going to accomplish
what they're going to have to accomplish. We can make
it about where they are in relation to the New
York Mets, or where they are in relation to the Giants,
or where they are in relation to the two teams
that are chasing them, Arizona and Saint Louis. I make
it about a number, and I'll admit this number for

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me is the season is unfolded, has kind of vacillated.
You know, at one point, I'm like, all right, they
got to get to eighty eight wins. I don't think
the Mets are capable of getting to eighty eight wins.
I don't think the Giants, who have seven games remaining
against against the LA Dollars, excuse me, against the LA
Dodgers are capable of getting to eighty eight wins. The
Reds would have to go sixteen and one to get

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to eighty eight wins. So that ain't it. I think
the number is. I think the number is eighty five now.
And granted they have the tiebreaker over the Mets. They
were even in the season series with the Giant and
so then we'd have to go to intra division records
and I'm not ready to do that. But I think
if the Reds can get to eighty five wins, I
think they're gonna be a playoff team. I think that's

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the number now. To do that, they would have to
go twelve and five the rest of the way. So
the problem is the Reds have shown bounce back ability.
The problem is they haven't shown sustainability. Twelve and five
would be like seven hundred baseball over the next seventeen games,

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and you would need the Mets to win no more
than eighty five, and you would need the Giants to
win no more than eighty six, maybe eighty five depending
on the tiebreaker. We will see. But I make it
more about just getting to a number where you feel
like that's gonna be the buy in and right now,

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and maybe the Mets catch fire, maybe the Giants catch fire.
Right now, it feels like that number is going to
be eighty five, regardless of what whether or not you
think they can get there. It is great that this
team has been able to pull itself off the ledge
numerous times this season. And just think about how the

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summer has gone, the number of games that felt like
that's about to send this team season spiraling down the
dream and they have come back every single time. And
that is great and that is admirable, But unfortunately it's
the defining characteristic of this team. And I think it's

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better when the defining characteristic of your team is something
that's a little bit more tangible. Like many of us
complained about the fact that the Reds don't hit a
lot of home runs. Now, they did last night three
of them, and they won the ball game. All of
their runs came on home runs last night. They had
a home run taken away by Fernando Tattis Junior. But unfortunately,

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what stands out from a statistical standpoint, from a tangible
standpoint with this team this year, and the reason why
they're only a game over five hundred is lack of pop,
especially in the ballpark day play it. Ellie Delacruz has
homered once in over eleven weeks. He still has the

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team lead in home runs. They're three leading home run hitters,
Austin Hayes, Spencer Steer and Ellie Dela Cruz, going from
least to most, have combined for fifty one on the season.
Kyle Schwarber last night hit his fiftieth. Kyle Schwarber is
a great slugger, guy who's going to command a lot

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of money on the open market, A guy that I
would hope the Reds are in the market to sign.
But your three leading home run hitters should outpace fifty
at least on September the tenth. That hasn't happened. Their
offensive shortcomings, that's what stands out more than anything. But

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they don't steal bases as often as they did two
years ago. They haven't challenged opposing defenses the way they
did two years ago. Their production in the tool hole
has been awful at times the worst in the league.
Production from the four spot has been spotty at best
of this season. La de la Cruz has had kind

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of a disappointing year. They've asked him to do too
much next year. The defining characteristic of the Reds if
it's still something neat and untangible, intangible, I should say,
if it's something like boy they bounce back all the time.
I can't be the defining characteristic. It can be a characteristic.

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Championship teams always talk about resilience and chemistry and makeup
and you know, all of that stuff, and all that
stuff matters. Not gonna say that it doesn't, but I
need something a little bit easier for me to wrap
my brain around. Joe Burrow is ready all right, here
we go, quarterback of the Bengals at the pub right now,
talking with the assembled pro football media.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Stay in and day out.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Yeah, obviously second half wasn't what we wanted last week,
but still things to build on stool, obviously room to
improve and.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Every week you let them from up a billanda bad
and move on.

Speaker 8 (14:21):
At this point in your career or there, ever, times
where you watch the film and you feel surprised about
what you see on it, like didn't expect for it
to look like, you know, a certain way.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Maybe here and there. I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
I I typically know what I'm looking at and know
what I'm getting in where I feel like the ball should.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
Go heels act like what kind of a couple of days,
digest kind of the tank, what kind of jumped out
of juice?

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, I thought the first half is was was really good.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
You know, we didn't scored on two or three d
in the one drive we didn't we had a chance
to convert a third down and Miles made a great play.
In the second half, we just didn't didn't make enough plays. Uh,
you know, we had we had good stuff called and

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against those guys, you're gonna get one on one opportunities,
both up front and on the perimeter. And we didn't
take advantage of any of those opportunities in the second half.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
And if you want to be.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
A great offense in the NFL, you have to win
your one on one battles, and in the second half
we didn't.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
Did you did you catch any of the Buffalo Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I watched a little bit of it.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, No, one kind of dies in your division.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
How much is that kind of maybe when you see
them playing at that kind of level, how much does
that may impact you as you go through the season
when you see team playing playing at that level against
that kind of game.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I'm not sure i'd say it impacts me.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
We know what, you know, we played both of those teams,
and we've those teams before. We've been in those spots
against big opponents, and we typically show up in those situations.
So we know that both of those teams have great quarterbacks,
they have good pass rushes, they got great coaches that

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scheme things up.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
So we played those teams before.

Speaker 9 (16:21):
But is it kind of like a reminder of like,
this is the level we've got to be at our
best know and at the level competition you have to
be a week out week out.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah, we know.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
We know what it takes to win a super Bowl.
We know what it what it takes in this league.
We've been there and done that, so we know where
where we have to be and how we have to
get there.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is there anything you guys can pre snap this week?

Speaker 10 (16:43):
So pre snap isn't you don't have those kinds of
communication issues or frustrations going into to send it?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
You know, I'm not sure we hadn't.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
We had many communications issues on Sunday, we had I
think we called two timeouts.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
One we lined up in the wrong formation.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
And I can't remember what happened on the other one.
But you know, aside from that, I feel like our
operation and communication and it was pretty sound on Sunday,
so that.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Some of the stuff that was happening in the second
half felt like bigger picture things that can take weeks
to work out versus silly stuff that should be an easy,
one meeting, one practice type fix.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
We know that their front is really good and they're
going to get home.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
They got ninety five and they have several other very
good players on that front that are going to provide pressure,
and we know they're they're gonna play man coverage and
give us one on one opportunit. I think they have
two of the best in man coverage, but they're gonna
play it, and in those situations we gotta make plays.

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I think I could use my legs a little more
in those situations, recognize man and try to get out
of the pocket. But at the end of the day,
you know, we got to make one on one plays
in big conspots.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
For Miles when he came up the middle on you.
You take a lot of hits and games where's that
one rank in terms of.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
I didn't necessarily when you're out there, you don't really
feel much. Let's say I was my best throw of
the day. Everybody likes to show that.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Hit, but not necessarily where I put the ball in
that situation.

Speaker 11 (18:43):
To that point, it seems like every time you guys
played Cleveland, it's always kind of a weird game and
most of the time it feels like you come out
of it saying A lot of that has to do
with Miles Garrett, of course, but is it frustrating on
the other end of that where it's like you guys also.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Are the job or not that you are with Jamaar
t and you.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
Like that that doesn't necessarily come to fruition in the
way that like Miles and how that works against you
guys that you guys weren't able to go in and
just showcase that across the board.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, like I, like I said last week, you have
to improve it. On every single Sunday you're out there.

Speaker 12 (19:21):
This is a.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
League about what have you done for me this week?
Every week narrative around you shifts depending on how you
play on Sunday. So, like I said, we didn't make
we didn't make those plays on Sunday in those spots
where typically we do, and we didn't on Sunday.

Speaker 13 (19:42):
I don't think we know how many snaps Travis Hunter
is gonna play on defense yet.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
I mean, just one week for him so far. But
did you watch him much in college? You know much
about his game? And what have you noticed?

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (19:52):
I watched.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I watched a lot of.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
Colorado games last year. Pick feel like the timing and
somehow always lined up for when we were off on Saturdays.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
But I got a lot of respect for number one.
What are he was able to do in college? How
many snaps he played?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
The elite level that he would play at on both
sides of the ball when he was out there, you
know last week he didn't. He didn't play much on defense,
So there's very limited tape on that on that end
for for me, So I don't have a ton to
to say on that front. But I know what I
watched in college and on the defensive side of the ball,

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he's his ball skills are obviously great. That's why he's
playing offense too, And he just continuously made plays, it
seemed like in big spots.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
So I got a lot of respect for for what
he did and how he did it, and I'm excited
to watch.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Him in the league. In the league now that his
style not really don't see a ton of You don't
see a ton of guys.

Speaker 14 (21:03):
With his.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Ball skill ability playing on the defensive side of the ball.
You know, Trayvon Diggs had the one season with all
those interceptions. But you know, like I said, I haven't
I haven't studied the tape of him on defense from college,
and he played what was it, three snaps on defense

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last week, so I haven't seen a ton of that.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
I think you had some limiteds back in high school.

Speaker 15 (21:32):
How much did you enjoy you couldn't play that's on
the ball.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, I love playing defense. That was you know.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
I got some couple of varsity snaps my freshman year
on defense.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
No quarterback. You know, I can always tackle for the
most part. I enjoyed that part of the game. Yeah,
I played. I played corner.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
Freshman team, I kind of moved around with JV, I
kind of moved around, But.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Varsity, big games, I played corner.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
Yeah, sitting here at want to know this week, how
much different does that feel versus other years where it
might have been a disappointing loss, and we want sitting
here at want to know how much different does that feel?

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah, certainly, I think we'd have be having some different
discussions in here if we had lost that game. I'm
sure I'd be getting some different questions too. But regardless
of of win or loss, there were things that we
had to get better at from someday, and so we've
addressed those and we're going to continue to address those

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until they get fixed.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
What do you look for the most? What you did well,
didn't do well?

Speaker 8 (22:40):
And following that up curious whether or not you ever
look at a play and think I could have forced
it there and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
And yeah, I think when you watch it first, you.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
You try to find just try to figure out what happened.
The first time you watch it. You know there's a
lot of stuff going on throughout the game, and you
remember the plays and what happened, but you know the
film tells a different story, and so you try to
figure out if what you remember happening is actually what

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happened on the tape.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
And then.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
Then you look at how did what they did affect
what we did? Did we do the right thing? Depending
on how the defense played. And yeah, there's of course
always some plays that you'd like to have back, and certainly,
depending on the situation, there's sometimes one that you could

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could have maybe been a little more aggressive with the
ball as opposed to what you did decide to do
with it. So there's always learning experiences from every drive,
every play, every game.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
There was so much talk leading up to this He's
a Joe about a fast start being one and oh
is a fast start bigger.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Than just want to know?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Is it a big September?

Speaker 12 (24:07):
What is it in your mind?

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Fast started?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Well, I think we want to start fast in every game.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
You know, we want to put the opposing defense on
their heels, go get points in those first couple of drives,
and you know, see how the defense is gonna change,
See where we can manipulate them, where we can attack them.
And I think starting fast is kind of an over

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arching team.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, you want to you want to come out and
be two and oh, but.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
You want to play great on offense. You want to
attack every single day trying to get better. You want
to not miss out on any reps throughout the week
where you could possibly improve.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
There's a lot of things to go into it.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
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through the twenty twenty seven season, with an option for
twenty twenty eight. Big game on Saturday. FC Cincinnati taking
on Nashville, and that match is going to be heard
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Friend of the Show, Daniellotomich, the
volleyball coach at U see for just a few minutes.
Danny Canal's going to join us in the four o'clock
hour two. We'll talk sports and money with our friend

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This report is from four.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty one. Moeger, thank you so
much for joining us. Fun event last night at Fifth
Third Arena, the volleyball version of the Crosstown Shootout, Cincinnati
taking on Xavier, the Bearcats winning that in three sets.
The Danielle tomach Era is off to a very good
start at the University of Cincinnati. The Bearcats are five

(28:45):
and one. They will head to Normal, Illinois for two
matches on Friday and Saturday, taking on Illinois on Friday afternoon,
then Illinois State on Saturday afternoon. They're back at home.
It's going to be a a home match against West Virginia,
a Big twelve match at a fifth Third Arena on Saturday, September.
The twenty seventy head coach of the UC volleyball program,

(29:09):
and we'll call her a friend of the show because
she's been on a few times. Danielle tomach is with
US coach. Congratulations not only on the win last night,
but career victory three hundred and ninety nine. Thank you
for joining us. How are you?

Speaker 17 (29:21):
Oh, thank you so much. I'm doing well. Thank you
for having me today on the cold What was it like.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Getting your first taste of the Cincinnati Xavier rivalry?

Speaker 17 (29:32):
Oh, it was. It was a phenomenal I thought for
a Tuesday night. We had two two hundred and eight
people in attendance. The students section was packed and loud,
and our team showed up and we played well and
beat Xavier in three. So it was a great evening

(29:55):
and a great first experience for me for the Kreeen
City class as we call it. I know that in
basketball they have a different name, but yeah, it was.
It was a great match, great just a great for
the game and for the city to see two good teams.
Xavier was undefeated before they came last night to fifth third,

(30:16):
so it was a great win for us.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's early. You've played six matches, you've won five. What
do you like most about your team.

Speaker 17 (30:26):
A lot of things I love about our team. I love,
first of all, I love our players, how open and
receptive they have been to me and the coaching staff,
and the change. The change is uncomfortable for everybody, but
they've been just open and willing to try new things.
We have established a little bit different system of play.

(30:47):
And then the mindset that you're asking them to develop,
the values that our program is built on. I'm seeing
those those values and ethos that we've been building, uh,
in act and more and more we're getting We're getting
better in volleyball. I think we can be very good.
We have a strong offense, our defense is getting better

(31:10):
and better. We're actually leaving the big twelve in bigs.
We had another good defensive night. We had eight blocks
two xaviers zero, so a lot of improvement. But I've
been telling people that they asked me a similar question.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (31:25):
I love the resilience that you're building, the mental toughness,
and and just the unity that you can see on
the core that our team is just playing a really
good team volleyball. That's that's what excites me.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
It's got to help to have a player like Sidney Nolan. Obviously,
a young lady that we're all familiar with here because
of her time in Northern Kentucky at Notre Dame Academy
Big Twelve Player of the Week. When you're building a
program and you're string you're you're trying to instill culture
and get your kids to do things your way, Well,
that's that's a nice piece to have to kind of
build everything around.

Speaker 17 (31:58):
Correct it is it is Sydney is. I mean, she
is a great player and she's going to get better
and better. I think the sky is the ceiling for
Sydney and I was We were so happy to get
the news yesterday that she was awarded the Offensive Player
of the Week in the Big Twelve. This was the

(32:18):
first one for any player, the Cincinnati player and since
we've joined at the Big twelve, so it's a big
deal and first one for Sydney. She had a phenomenal
weekend in Chattanooga, was the MVP of that tournament, and
she's just getting better and better. But what makes Sydney
also special. Yes, everybody can see that talent and how

(32:40):
good she is on the net and kills that she
gets for us, but she's a great teammate. She plays
for the team. There's you know, Sydney is not about Sydney.
She just wants to be the best for the team.
And when you have that combination the talent and that's
mindset and being a great teammates, you know you have

(33:01):
something special. But Sidney also knows, and she when we
share the news about the award yesterday and our team chat,
she she said, you know, she couldn't do this without
her teammates, and that just speaks speaks about her. And
it's wonderful when you have your best player, one of
your best players, being that example of humility, and Sidney

(33:25):
has that.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Daniel otomach is where there's the head coach of the
UC volleyball program. Five and one after last night's victory
over Xavier. Before you play in the Big Twelve, you
play in tournaments, multi day, multi team events mentioned you'll
play in one in normal Illinois. Do you how do
you go about selecting which event you're going to play

(33:45):
in or is that process done for you?

Speaker 14 (33:49):
I do scheduling.

Speaker 17 (33:51):
Actually I've done always my whole career, which is good.
I know some other sports it's out of the coach's hands.
I'm glad that I can schedule that it's getting harder
and harder because everybody is looking for the opponent that
fits where their team is at. So you want to

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have a good combination of non conference opponents where you
want those teams to be successful in their conferences. You
don't want to play teams that will lose a lot
because that hurts you in the long run if you
have a Hopefully what we're playing for is getting at
large bed in the Big twelve. The committee, the selection committee,

(34:33):
will look at a body of work of our whole
season and there's a formula that they have to follow,
and scheduling is very very important. There's an RPI, which
is ranking for volleyball, and we're looking, you know, to
play teams in one hundred and fifty, maybe some in
top twenty five. But we want to have a good

(34:55):
mix of wins and if you lose, it needs to
be able to consider.

Speaker 14 (34:59):
A good loss.

Speaker 17 (35:00):
So for us, the only loss this year we have
is to Michigan, and I think that's that's not a
bad loss because Michigan will do well. They'll be in
the top half of the Big ten, so it's not
going to hurt us as much as let's say, if
you lose to somebody who is in one hundred and fifty,
we lose to them, and then they lose in their conference.
So there's a little bit of art and science. You

(35:22):
have to look at RPIs and kind of guess what
those teams are going to look like the following year
based on the success in the previous year.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Makes makes sense, normal Illinois makes Yeah, yes, it makes now.
If you ask me to re explain it, no chance,
But you explaining it to me makes makes total sense.

Speaker 17 (35:44):
Yeah. Yes, you basically want to win. If you want
to win, right, you want to win. But then if
you lose, it has to be a good loss.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You know what. That that applies, That applies to every sport,
no question about it. Congratulations, I will congratulations. I will
issue you congratulations in advance for a career win number
four hundred. I know you're not even going to think
about how you're going to celebrate it, what you're going
to do. Hopefully it happens on Friday, but it's going
to happen, and it's a heck of a milestone, and

(36:12):
it's cool that it's happening at UC.

Speaker 17 (36:15):
Thank you, Thank you. I actually didn't even know I
heard this morning somebody I saw on social media or
somebody told me.

Speaker 14 (36:21):
I have no idea.

Speaker 17 (36:22):
I said in my press conference when I was hired
at Cincinnati, I really do not pay attention to that.
I teach our players to surrender the outcome, and if
you know, hopefully I will reach four hundreds win. And
I am also glad that it's going to happen at Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
No question about it. Can't thank you enough. I always
enjoy having the coach. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 17 (36:44):
Let's back the fifth third on the twenty seventh when
we have our first Big twelve match here, so I
hope to see a lot of Bearcats fans.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's September the twenty seventh against West Virginia. We'll do it. Coach,
Thank you, Thank you bye. I like talking to Danielle
Homich last Night's a fun event last night at Fifth
Third Arena, Cincinnati, five and one. You're one of the
Danielle Tomitch era. Danny Canal is going to join us
in just about twenty five minutes, and our guy Sean

(37:14):
sayed a little bit later on Plus, our friend Amy
Wagner stops by to talk sports and money. Brennan and
Jones on baseball. Basically, we have a lot. We have
a lot between now and six on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

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minute later. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you for
listening today. Danny Canal always joins us once or twice
during the college football season. He'll be with us in
fifteen minutes. I don't know if Dan, I bet you
watched UC Nebraska. I don't know how close attention he

(37:56):
paid to UC versus Bowling Green. I'm gonna guess Cincinnati
versus Northwestern State isn't the biggest game on his radar.
But get his thoughts on the college football getting on
the Bearcats, and you know what's happened in the first
three weeks of the season. Coming up in just about
fifteen minutes, plus our weekly segment with our friend Amy
Wagner on sports and money, Brendanman and Jones on baseball

(38:18):
coming up as well. A few more thoughts on red
ZV padres from last night. The Bengals. You may have
heard this. They play the Jacksonville Jaguars so I think
at this point we've talked Bengals Browns from every conceivable angle,
and I think the consensus is it's always good to win.

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They kind of got lucky. Maybe we saw the start
of a turnaround. On defense. Offense has to play better.
Cleveland's defense is really good. Cleveland's defense has the partial,
at least anecdote to what the Bengals are supposed to
be good at offensively, But nonetheless, Cincinnati's offense has to
be more productive. I think that's kind of the consensus.

(39:01):
The consensus, I believe, is acknowledging multiple things. The bad
that that game offensively was ugly, the bad of Joe
throwing for one hundred and thirteen yards, the bad of
Miles Garrett like almost single handedly wrecking the game late
in it, The bad of not being able to get
the running game going once Chase Brown established himself in

(39:23):
that opening series, the bad of being at the mercy
of the other team's kicker, the good of winning, and
the good of the defense. At least, this is me
feeling like it passed the first test, although the test
was pretty easy, right, I'll put it in school terms,

(39:44):
the first test you take, my daughter's in the third grade.
Her first spelling test much more difficult than I'm guessing
the sixth or seventh spelling test. She did good in
the first spelling test, but those words are easier than
the one she's going to be getting here in a
couple of weeks. Well, the same I think can apply
to the Bengals. I thought, defensively they passed the first test,
not just holding the Browns to sixteen points in winning

(40:07):
the football game. I had low expectations. I had low
standards for Sunday. Make tackles, at least, don't get beaten
up physically. I think those two boxes were checked. I
think if there's one other thing, though, to hang your
hat on when it comes to Sunday against Cleveland, it's this.
Shamar Stuart looked the part.

Speaker 17 (40:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know there's skepticism about him because you know, he
rarely sacks the quarterback and he didn't have any on Sunday,
and that's fair. But he was disruptive. Like even the
biggest Shamar Stuart skeptics right after the draft will acknowledge
he's often there, he just doesn't always finish the play.
If he's often there at this level. Number one he'll

(40:53):
make a lot of money. He'll play for a long time.
And number two, the sacks will come or the mistakes
for when the opposing quarterback will come, the impact on
the game will come. I think we saw on Sunday
a Shamar Stewart just one game capable of making an impact.
We've talked a lot about Demetrius Knight. The linebacker play

(41:15):
on Sunday I thought was terrific. Logan Wilson the first
time since twenty twenty three on Sunday, I sat out loud, God,
Logan Wilson's helping, Logan Wilson's playing well, Logan Wilson's making plays.
He had company at linebacker with Demetrius Knight. Demetrius Knight,
we did all those shows from training camp, practice. In

(41:36):
practice at times looked awesome. In the preseason games not awesome.
He might not have looked awesome against Cleveland, he certainly
looked like he was capable of giving the Bengals better
linebacker play than they have gotten. For let's be honest,
most of my adult life. Demetrius Knight had a good

(41:59):
NFL day. Dylan Fairchild did as well. Now he was
a part of that offensive line that just got wrecked
when Miles Garrett decided I'm going to try to win
the game by myself, and Dylan Fairchild still has some
progress to make, still has the ways to go. Dylan
Fairchild's Pro Football Focus grade was in the mid fifties.
But if you watch that game on Sunday and you

(42:22):
paid attention to Dylan Fairchild, you stop paying attention to
Dylan Fairchild because he didn't give you reason to pay
closer attention to him. He was fine. He was his
first regular season game mirrored his first preseason game, which
to me, then against Philadelphia, he was under a microscope.
Let's look at this dude and see if he looks

(42:42):
like he'll fit. It looks like he'll be fine. I
thought against Cleveland he did. This has to change for
this franchise. We can't be talking about red shirt seasons anymore.
Miles Murphy has done next to nothing in the NFL. Now,
DJ Turner the other day made a play right. DJ
Turner was a second round pick in twenty twenty three.

(43:05):
We're still trying to figure out if that guy can play.
And you could apply that to a lot of dudes
from that draft. Jordan Battle, maybe Charlie Jones. I think
we all agree Chase Brown can play. I think we
all agree that Andre Yoshavas has carved out the perfect
niche in this offense. But a lot of dudes early
in the draft, all of their first two day picks
in twenty twenty three have done very little in the NFL.

(43:28):
They may this year, they've done very little. They made
very little impact in either of their first two NFL seasons.
Last year is something similar now. I think we're all
high on a Marius Mims, and I think Chris Jenkins
is a guy like I think Chris Jenkins is going
to be able to help this team a lot this year,
but still coming into the season question marks about last

(43:49):
year's class. Chris Jenkins, Jermaine Burton, McKinley Jackson. By the way,
Jermaine Burton not even active on Sunday, Eric All Unfortunately,
that guy looked like a dude. Unfortunately he's dealt with
just one knee injury after the other. Josh Newton, like
a lot of dudes, I don't know. Many have wondered
how are the Bengals going to do this? With so
much money going to a handful of players on offense.

(44:13):
The way it works is the Bengals get really good
cheap labor. This is a cheap labor league. You pay
your stars, and more so than ever before, you guarantee
of money, and then you get a lot of production
from the dudes you're not paying all that much for.
In this day and age, we can't do red shirts anymore.

(44:34):
Like the concept sounded fine a couple of years ago
with Dax Hill when they still had Jesse Bates, right,
you need a draft class to within the first year
or two provide something, show you something, give you something,
make an impact. And so this has to change for
this team. There cannot be that many more instances where

(44:55):
we look at two or three guys who were taken
within in the first two days of the draft, and
two years after they've drafted him, go, I don't know
what this guy can do. I don't know what this
guy does, I don't know what this guy's role is.
I'm not sure this guy can play. You can't have that.
If the Bengals don't have that anymore, what they're doing

(45:19):
will work. And if you look at their history this century,
when they've gone through lulls where they've just had you
know a couple of different years where just whole draft
classes haven't worked out, either for injury or wasn't the
right fit. Whatever the reason this team really suffers. Like
I'll go back two decades ago, one of the biggest

(45:40):
what ifs in the history of the Bengals franchise as
far as I'm concerned, is what if the twenty two
thousand and five pans out David Pollock, Odell Thurman, and
the Lake Chris Henry that class, among others just didn't
work out. And then there were some classes with a

(46:01):
lot of guys who were taken early that also just
didn't work out. What happened The team stunk from six
through twenty eleven, with the rare blip of two thousand
and nine. Go long stretches of time where you're not
getting anything from draft classes, your franchise is gonna suffer,
especially when you're paying a whole lot of dudes at
the top of the spreadsheet. So when this gets asked,
like how are they gonna pull this off paying a

(46:22):
handful of guys, the answer is the cheap labor has
to come through if nothing else on Sunday and it's
just one game. So you're not making any sweeping conclusions.
But you look at the cheap labor, you look at
the early round draft choices, and you go, Okay, Shamar Stewart,
Dylan Fairchild, Demetrius Knight. Those three guys their first three picks.
Those guys look like they can help right now by

(46:44):
the way they're being asked to. They're starting Dylan Fairchild
week one, Demetrious Night chamars. We're not red shirting anybody,
which is good. You can't can't afford to. But this
is how this works. This is how they have sustained
success in this era of Burrow and Chase and Higgins
and a handful of stars getting paid. The cheap labor

(47:07):
has to be good labor. On Sunday, it was quarter
after four U five one three, seven, four nine, fifteen
thirty years our phone number. I will be completely honest
with you, I don't know that we will have a
ton of room for phone calls today because we have
a lot of stuff among that stuff. A conversation with
Danny Canel he is going to join us next on ESPN.

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Speaker 2 (48:17):
For years now. Once or twice during the college football season.
I'm always so stoked to get a chance to talk
to Danny Canell, who joins us courtesy of bed online,
where you can go to for updated college football, Playoff,
Heisman and College Football Week three lines, and always so
much fun to talk to. I'm sure he's getting ready

(48:37):
to be locked in for Saturday Cincinnati versus Northwestern State game. Danny,
what's going on?

Speaker 14 (48:43):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Moo?

Speaker 14 (48:44):
How are we doing.

Speaker 18 (48:44):
It is becoming a little bit of an annual tradition
getting to catch up with you. I have to coo
a quick brush up on my Northwestern State film study
before we get to that one.

Speaker 14 (48:53):
But it's great to be on man, Always good, always fun, Collin.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'm old. I'm old enough to have and I've told
you this driven to new is to watch you and
the Giants beat the Bengals. When I was in college,
and so I remember what it was like to open
up the paper every Monday or Tuesday and obsess over
the AP Top twenty five College Football poll. I feel
like we're doing that now in twenty twenty five, and
I'm not sure why should we be.

Speaker 14 (49:16):
I love it, No, we should not.

Speaker 18 (49:18):
And it's been a very very hot topic in the
college football world, as you are well aware, and it's
been something that has driven me crazy for the last
decade since I've been involved in this sport. And I
think it's good that a lot of this is starting
to come to light because I think historically, maybe you know,
thirty forty years you had an AP which was a
representation of a national perspective on the sport of college football,

(49:42):
and you needed people out in Wyoming who were watching
the games that you couldn't see on national television. Well
that's not the case anymore because everybody's on national television,
and yet some of those local beat writers are not
watching the whole landscape, and so there they're actually just
filling in based on brands, or they're not even watching.

Speaker 14 (50:03):
Every single game.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
And I think it is a good reminder of people
that the AP Top twenty five should be taken with
a grain of salt. But what drives me nuts is
that it does create perception and narratives that do benefit
some programs and some conferences. I mean, all I heard
this week was there were eleven SEC teams in the
top twenty five, and that was one of the reasons
I was trying to spearhead this movement by saying a

(50:26):
lot of those teams should have no business being in
the top twenty.

Speaker 14 (50:29):
Five if you do the pull the way it's supposed
to be.

Speaker 18 (50:32):
Done, which is really on resumes and what teams have
earned other But too many people look at the preseason
where they had the team in the preseason, and they
don't make enough adjustments. I think early it should be
incredibly volatile like teams should bump up and down and
all around based on more information at your fingertips. So
it's been something that's kind of driven me nuts. I

(50:52):
think it's good that people are talking about it, and
I do think some of the pressure that has been
put on the polsters themselves will hopefully hold them accountable
and they'll start paying more attention to the national landscape.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Well you know here, you know, Cincinnati obviously being in
the Big twelve, they did away with the preseason poll.
Now I like the polls because you know, they're they're fun,
They're fun for what we do. But I at the
same time, I don't know in this era of college
football in July, how you vote which team is the
best in the conference, much less in the entire country.
Should we Should we at least say, look, the AP
Top twenty five still has a purpose, but maybe let's

(51:25):
wait until a few weeks of football have been played.

Speaker 18 (51:28):
Yes, and I actually you know what I would love,
But the TV networks will never do this because the
TV networks love it more than anybody because it helps
drive interest. I mean, how many times, even when we'll
discuss games, we'll say, hey, there's a battle of top
twenty five teams squaring off this you know this week,
but it really is just something that shouldn't be acknowledged
until we at least get to October at minimum. I

(51:49):
would actually love it until the the midpoint of the season,
or if we just use the College Football Selection Committees
rankings which come out in November, if that's when we
started a reference team and their rankings ahead of them,
because again, it kind of goes back when we talk
about resumes and strength of schedule. If you're an SEC
team and you're playing a game this weekend and you're
playing a team with that magical ranking in front of

(52:11):
your name, if you lose the game, it doesn't hurt
you as much because, oh, you lost to a top
twenty five team, and if you win the game, it's, oh,
what a huge boost that is, so you rise even more,
which makes it more challenging for teams outside the top
twenty five to rise up through the rankings. USF is
a great example. I think USF has the best resume
of anybody in the entire country. They have two of

(52:33):
the best wins out there. They smoked Boise State thirty
four to seven, and then they went into Gainesville and
beat the Gators at the Swamp, and they're struggling to
make the move up.

Speaker 14 (52:41):
I mean, I think at minimum.

Speaker 18 (52:42):
They should be top five, but it just takes them
a long time to do it because people didn't think
they were going to be good this offseason and they
have to go out there and prove everybody wrong again.
Where if USF had a Buckeye logo or a Florida
state logo or you know, pick your blue blood from
college football, they absolutely would be in the top five.
So I think it's an issue and it's something we've

(53:04):
got to try to address. And I think the solution
would be just waiting to even put those numbers on
the tv TV graphics until we got to November.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So here in Big twelve Country, so to speak, Danny,
how much is that league hurt by what you just
talked about.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
I think it is.

Speaker 18 (53:20):
I think it's hurt, and I think that was you know,
Brett Yormark made that decision, as you mentioned, to not
rank them. I do love Kenny Dillingham's mindset because they
were picked to finish last and he said, I don't
care about preseason rankings, and I think that's the mindset
you have to take as a coach to kind of
just avoid the noise. But I think when you're talking
about getting multiple bids into the postseason, because I think

(53:41):
the Big Twelve unfortunately is probably just a one bid
league because of the perception of it, because they don't
have enough of those ranked teams and at the end
of the season, their best team might be ten and two,
but they might have two ten and two street teams
square enough, and they might be just as good from
teams for the Big Ten or the SEC, but because
they're not high enough in the rankings, it could find
them on the outside looking in. So I do think

(54:02):
it's a perception problem that the Big twelve has, and
they've got to do better in the non conference. It
was a little bit of a rough weekend. Outside of
Baylor going to SMU and getting that weekend, there was
a lot of missed opportunities, and you know about one
of them, since Naty had a great opportunity against Nebraska
came up just short. But here's another thing that drives
me nuts, like that loss to me shouldn't be devastating.
It was by a touchdown. You know, it wasn't an

(54:23):
embarrassing loss, and yet we use those games as such
an indictment on an entire conference. It's just I don't
like the way a lot of it works out, especially
with the way we decide teams that get to play
for the College Football Playoff. It's this invitational as opposed
to really being merit based, where you just you know,
you win your way in.

Speaker 14 (54:41):
You have to get the invite in.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Danny Knell is with us courtesy of bet Online. Check
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and College Football Week three lines. Let's stay in this
part of the country. So you know, I was so
excited to watch Ohio State play Texas, all the hype
around arch Manning defending the national Jams, Julian saying, I
kind of felt like in the aftermath of the game,

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the buck guys barely even played because all I heard
about was arch Manning.

Speaker 18 (55:08):
Yes, I would agree with you, but then't you know
we were going to get that. I mean, that was
the most predictable thing ever, was the massive overreaction to
probably like I can't imagine, though, I don't like, since
I've covered this sport for about fifteen years, the amount
of hysteria we've seen around somebody who hasn't really played football.
I mean, Tim Tebow got a lot of coverage, but

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most of it came after he won the Heisman Trophy.
Johnny Manzel got a ton of coverage, but it was
after he won a Heisman Trophy. I mean the amount
of airtime that was spent on arch Manning was just
off the charts. It was unlike anything I've ever seen,
so I.

Speaker 14 (55:42):
Think it was very predictable.

Speaker 18 (55:43):
If he would have pulled off the upset, people would
have said he's gonna win multiple Heismans and he's going
to be the number one overall pick and blah blah blah.
And then I also know, on the flip side, if
he struggled, the critics would be coming fast, like, oh,
he's overrated, he's just because of his last name. I
actually thought you got what I expected out of arch Manning.
I think it's gonna be a little bit of a

(56:03):
bumpy ride for him because he hasn't played much football.
I think it takes time and repetition to get comfortable
playing at this level, and I think he will eventually.
But yes, you are right, and I will say this.
I don't think people talked enough about Ohio State. I
don't think people have talked enough about the Ohio State defense,
even more specifically because Julian saying I thought they were

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able to protect, which was a great thing. They didn't
have to expose them or put him out there too
much in the past game and needed a great job
being that game manager, which is exactly what you want
from a young quarterback. But the job Matt Patricia has
done in the absence of Jim Knowles going to Penn State,
the way that he's you know, utilizing his players, the
way he's coming up with schemes to confuse college quarterbacks

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like arch has been nothing short of magnificent. So Ohio
State very very much in play to be a back
to back national champion.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I think, all right, one more here really quick. I
got a bet online dot age I could I could
find the usual suspects with pretty short eye to make
the college football Playoff or to even win the whole thing.
If I want some value, steer me in the right direction.

Speaker 14 (57:06):
Well, I mean I might be biased, mo, I mean
I might be biased.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I know the answer.

Speaker 14 (57:11):
And Florida State. So I was actually in Tallahassee.

Speaker 18 (57:16):
Last night, I was talking to the QB club and
I talked to Gus Malzan and he was telling me
that they had eleven new starters on the offensive side
of the ball, which is astounding. But I don't think
you could change the perception of a program the way
you did with one game against Alabama. And if you remember,
in the aftermath of that game, people were ready to
fire Calin de Borr saying, oh, Alabama must be so overrated.

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Alabama still has one of the top rosters in the country.
If you look at any metric, it's a whether you
use a blue Chip ratio, a national team composite, like
any ranking you look at as far as just how
talented your roster is, Alabama is still up there. And
did anybody notice what they did last week against Louisiana Monroe.
I know it's lesser talent, but Ty Simpson looked comfortab,

(58:00):
the defense look dominant. I think Alabama is still a
really good football team, and that for me, means that
Florida State must be really good too. And I think
people are still struggling to find like, all right, how
could a two win team be a playoff contender?

Speaker 14 (58:13):
This quickly. It's today's landscape. I mean it really is.

Speaker 18 (58:16):
I mean, you can turn over an entire roster almost,
which is what Florida State has done. I worry a
little bit about depth as the season goes along. But now,
all of a sudden, with a team that their win
total was seven and a half because of what they
did against Alabama, I think I look at every single
game and I say, why can't they win that game?
They absolutely can beat anybody on their schedule. As long

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as Thomas Castolano stays healthy, I think they're a player
in the college football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
All right, your bias didn't show it all. They're sold.
That's my wager.

Speaker 14 (58:45):
That's right. And you asked for a longer shot. I
mean it's been a pretty long shot.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Pretty good. All right, Well, I'll let you get to
work on that Northwestern State tape. We always love having
you drin. Hopefully we can do it again during the season.
Danny than so much.

Speaker 14 (59:01):
I appreciate you. Mo how a god one.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
That's our guy, Danny Canal thanks to a bet online.
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We were workshopping a name, and we were trying to
figure out if the folks in charge of the movie
Moneyball or the person Michael Lewis who wrote the book Moneyball,
will sue us if we call this segment money.

Speaker 16 (01:02:00):
We're a big deal.

Speaker 19 (01:02:01):
I mean, when you think of the millions of people
that are listening right.

Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
Now, it's going to potentially raise some eyebrows. But I
like it. I mean we're talking about sports, we're talking
about money. Moneyball.

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Just don't want to get sued, all right. I just
I want to spend as little in my life. My
goal is to do two things. Never have a job
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because I've been called to defend something.

Speaker 20 (01:02:27):
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Speaker 19 (01:02:27):
Well, so if we don't want to call it moneyball,
there is still more money.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
We can still we can call we can just see
if like, if we're that far off the radar of
the moneyball people.

Speaker 16 (01:02:36):
Yeah, well they're probably listening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So I'm sure that Michael Lewis listens to this show.

Speaker 19 (01:02:42):
Ye, justin case Brad Pitt is not listening right now,
maybe we'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Okay, I bet you would like it if Brad Pitt
we're listening. So we do this on a weekly basis,
Amy Wagner, Wealth Advisor, Dean Norton Private Wealth. We talk
about sports and money, and this week's specifically fantasy football.

Speaker 19 (01:02:59):
Yes, so I have noticed in my house this is
where everything comes from, right when I started thinking about
something that there has been a change in the past
few years over how we consume sports in my house,
specifically when football season comes around, right, I mean, as
you know, like you born and raised in this area,
born and bred a Cincinnati Bengals fan. Well, recently it's

(01:03:20):
not even necessarily. Yes, we watch, of course the Bengals games,
but we watch every single NFL football game in our house.
Why well not because we care about all those teams
because we're watching our fantasy football players. It's my sixteen
year old son, it is my husband, it is my
seventy seven year old dad, and it is my nephews.

(01:03:40):
It's everyone, right, And I think it's just changing a
lot about sports.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
So here's the money part of this that I want
to know, because you hear this occasionally. You hear this
the week of March madness, right, where companies are losing
trillions of dollars of productivity because people are filling out
their brackets. So the week of the super Bowl, it's
always like companies are losing a lot of productivity because
people are obsessed with the Super Bowl and all they're
doing is talking about and they're planning their parties or

(01:04:06):
they're making their bets. And then you hear something similar
with fantasy football. When when you hear those things, what's
actually happening.

Speaker 19 (01:04:14):
So the stats say about seven to ten percent lost
productivity on a weekly basis during the fantasy football season.
And okay, I did an unofficial poll, right, I mean,
I asked them people on social media, but also I
picked up my phone and texted my nephew, Michael, who's
the commissioner of our league, right, And I was like,
all right, Like, tell me straight, how much are you

(01:04:35):
spending on this?

Speaker 15 (01:04:36):
Right?

Speaker 19 (01:04:36):
You're figuring out the rules every year, you're figuring out
the draft lineup.

Speaker 16 (01:04:39):
He was like, Eh, not that bad. He's like, but
I'll tell you this. He went to UD.

Speaker 19 (01:04:43):
He's like, I have a group of friends that are
still in a fantasy league. We fight over rules constantly,
we are constantly doing research, we are trading players all
the time. And he was like, I was just taught.
I was the former commissioner. The new commissioner is spending
at least an hour a day on fantasy football.

Speaker 16 (01:05:01):
Listen, this is the commissioner. This is not watching the
sports on the running the league.

Speaker 19 (01:05:06):
A Monday through Friday proposition during prime work hours.

Speaker 16 (01:05:10):
You know, I mean, it's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I consider myself exempt from this because I.

Speaker 16 (01:05:17):
Can because your job is to talk about sports.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
My job is to talk about sports. And the main
reason I play fantasy football is because it it. I
love the sport and I like fantasy football. I like
the idea of winning fantasy football leagues. What hasn't happened
in a while, But it is a tool that you
could use that helps you follow the sport more closely. Yeah,
and that's beneficial for what we do. So I did

(01:05:41):
this this morning because what I sit down on Thursdays
and I do three things as it relates to fantasy
football and betting. I set my fantasy football lineups, do
waiver wires. I do research for a survivor pool. And
I do the research for wagers I'm going to make
on college and pro football. That entire process probably takes me,
and folks are gonna laugh, between an hour and a

(01:06:03):
half to two hours. Now that's all of those things combined. Yeah,
but I look at it and go, it's kind of
part of my job.

Speaker 16 (01:06:09):
It is part of your job.

Speaker 19 (01:06:11):
I mean, but you are one in ten thousand people
or one hundred that they get to talk about sports,
and your job is to do this research.

Speaker 16 (01:06:19):
And I think, like when you actually.

Speaker 19 (01:06:20):
Like dig into the details, right, who are the average
fantasy football players? College educated? Yeah, they make close to
one hundred thousand dollars a year. They are full time employees,
somewhere in their mid thirties, mid forties something like that.

Speaker 16 (01:06:36):
Right, These are people who have i'm gonna say.

Speaker 19 (01:06:39):
Real job, not that your job is not a real
job all that, but jobs where they were paid probably
pretty good money to do other things. So two hours
on a Thursday is you know, we're not manufacturing new
hours in the day currently, so it's time that takes
away from something else. And I think, you know, it's
changed the habits of how we consume football. You're not

(01:07:01):
just watching the Bengals anymore as a Bengals fan. You're
watching every game that's on. I sent you a video
that my son sent me when I was away the
other day, and he had two monitors in his room,
one on the Bengals game and the other one on
four different games, you know, Monday night. I came down
and was like, hell, hey, buddy, who do you want

(01:07:22):
to win the Monday night football game?

Speaker 16 (01:07:23):
Bills?

Speaker 19 (01:07:23):
And he was like, Oh, I don't care. I just
have one player that's still left in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
He said.

Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
It's not like we're rooting for teams anymore. We're rooting
for individual players. And you make an excellent point. As
a longstanding Bengals fan, there is something.

Speaker 16 (01:07:39):
Beautiful, yes, about being.

Speaker 19 (01:07:41):
Able to watch the NFL and not want to pull
your hair out, not maybe recently not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You know, I know people and they won't say this
since the Bengals have gotten relevant, but when they're really bad,
they will say, my favorite NFL team is my fantasy
football team. Sure right, and it has given over the
last couple of decades. It has given fans who are
disaffected because their team stinks a reason to continue following

(01:08:08):
the league closely. And so from that perspective, here's what
I think is fascinating about fantasy football. For years, the
NFL kind of stiff armed fantasy football, wanted nothing to
do with it. In the nineties, I mean they wanted
there was no fantasy football talked during pregame shows. Early
nine casters.

Speaker 16 (01:08:25):
There were one to three million people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
In fantasy football and the nineties, and then right around
the turn of the century, the league realized, wait a minute,
with the Internet, we can wrap our arms around fantasy football.
And suddenly you can go to NFL dot come and play.

Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
Yeah, fantasy football, Yes you can. Isn't that amazing, right?

Speaker 19 (01:08:45):
And I mean now the industry is estimated to be
worth somewhere like thirty billion dollars in twenty twenty five.
Do you remember how much the Bengals organization is currently valued.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
At four billion dollars?

Speaker 19 (01:08:56):
Five and a half billion dollars right, so six times
what the Bengals entire franchise is worth is what is
what fantasy football is worth right now. And it's projected
to more than double between now and twenty thirty. I mean,
it's only going to get bigger. And you know, you
and I were kind of saying, listen, is it fantasy.

Speaker 16 (01:09:15):
Football where it is?

Speaker 19 (01:09:15):
Is it just sports betting where you get the instant
gratification of I'm going to bet on this in the
first quarter of the game and get my money if
that's what happens, I would argue, and again, this is
what I'm seeing in my house. It's a little bit
of a gateway drug to thinking about betting in a
different way.

Speaker 16 (01:09:33):
You know, I'm going to have to have these conversations with.

Speaker 19 (01:09:35):
My sixteen year old who is, you know, knee deep
in fantasy football in two different leagues right now, and
he also is a high school basketball.

Speaker 16 (01:09:44):
Player and has homework at the same time.

Speaker 19 (01:09:47):
And I'm not going to put those priorities in order
of what he would tell you, because I think they
would be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, you know, because the NFL Pro sports leagues they
wanted nothing to do with legalized gambling. Now they all
have embraced it, which I think is good. But you know,
for years when they would say, well, we want nothing
to do with legalized gambling, the counter to that was,
you know, fantasy football or fantasy baseball, fantasy basketball, et cetera.
That is gambling. It is. Yeah, it was a legal
form of it before traditional you know, bet on a team,

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bet on a point spread was was legalized.

Speaker 19 (01:10:17):
Hey, it's given people and my family like reasons to
talk smack to grandma, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 16 (01:10:21):
We have a family football group chat.

Speaker 19 (01:10:25):
Where everyone's talking smack to each other week and there's
a great component to.

Speaker 16 (01:10:29):
That, right, like we all get together for our draft or.

Speaker 19 (01:10:32):
We're on zoom and everyone's in contact, doesn't matter you know,
younger kids like sixteen on up to seventy five year
olds and everywhere in between it And I do love
that aspect of it. I mean even more than just
bangles games on Sunday afternoons because you're playing grandma this weekend.
You're playing your cousin or your uncle this weekend. Like
there is something really cool to that. But again from

(01:10:52):
a productivity standpoint, and I think you just have to
go into this with eyes wide open. The more I
think of a natural competitor. You are right, the more
this becomes an outlet for you. There's only so many
hours in the day. My kids have joked in the
past they will call me like, mom is a fun sponge.

Speaker 16 (01:11:09):
I don't want to be a fun sponge for fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Do you get called the fun sponge at home?

Speaker 19 (01:11:14):
I have been in the past, or maybe once or
twice been called a fun sponge, So I.

Speaker 16 (01:11:20):
Don't want to be the fantasy football fund sponge here.

Speaker 19 (01:11:23):
At the same time, like, when you look at these stats,
you're like, holy moly, people are spending a lot of
time on this, and where are we taking the time from?

Speaker 16 (01:11:31):
Because it has to go from somewhere.

Speaker 19 (01:11:33):
Is it like you're not going home at night, or
is it that you're not getting as much done during
the day at work.

Speaker 16 (01:11:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
I think it's not getting as much done during the
day at work, or sometimes stuff you have to do
at home and you just sort of cast it aside.
Here's my one piece of advice for your son. Okay,
make sure he doesn't join one of these fantasy football
leagues where if you finish in last place, there's some
sort of punishment.

Speaker 16 (01:11:53):
There has been lots of talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
No, I refuse this. I refuse to join a league
where there's punishment because this is supposed to be fun. Yes,
I have enough anxiety in my life. There's enough that
I worry about. I don't need one other thing. Oh
my god, if I finished in sixteenth place, I'm gonna
have to get a tattoo, or I'm gonna have to
stab myself in the leg, or I'm gonna have to
spend forty eight hours at a waffle house. Uhuh, I

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don't need any more stress.

Speaker 16 (01:12:18):
I'm gonna one up you there.

Speaker 19 (01:12:19):
Because he started this when he was in middle school,
and the punishment was at the cafeteria table at lunch.
Everyone got to put something into a cup and you
had to finish. No, can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
No, I'm not doing that. No, did he ever.

Speaker 19 (01:12:35):
Finish in last He thankfully did not, And they probably
would have been suspended if they had actually followed through
on it. But yes, yeah, so listen, I love it.
I love I love sports. You know that I've wad sports,
you know, since I was a kid. My dad raised
me that way, and I love that fantasy has people
interested in ways that we've never been done before. But

(01:12:56):
I think it's also interesting to think about how much
are we spending on it. Average person about five hundred
dollars a year on fantasy football. And I've had bets
or talk about people with people who are like, well,
I also then do these side bets, right, And there's
this and this, but I only and they always want
to come to me with their parameters, and I'm like, well,
that's great.

Speaker 16 (01:13:15):
How much do you spend on those bets in a season?

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:13:18):
Yet to get an answer on that, right, Yeah, I
added those up. It piles up now, Yeah, it does well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
You put fun sponge on your bio, on your social media.
We put that on your LinkedIn, right. Dean Dorton Wealth
Advisor have been referred to I'm a fun sponge all right,
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Learn about the Dean Dorton difference. It's awesome to have you.
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Speaker 12 (01:15:11):
Hello, Mo, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
I'm doing very well.

Speaker 20 (01:15:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Did the Bengals defense take a step on Sunday? Or
did they benefit from the schedule making schedule makers giving
them the browns in week one?

Speaker 12 (01:15:23):
You gave me an either or question. I'm gonna say
yes because I think I think it's true on both. No,
I mean it's true on both accounts. I mean, listen,
based off what we saw in the preseason, Mo, right,
I mean it was ugly. It was It wasn't even
it wasn't even like, oh, okay, I get it was ugly.
I mean there's thirty eight yard runs here and forty
yard runs there, and it was awful. And again I

(01:15:44):
will say, I know there's no Bja Hill, there was
no Trey Henderson. The corners didn't play in the first game.
I'm not making excuses. Those are facts that you didn't
have a chunk of your starters. But it still looked
ugly and it had cause for pause that said, it's
old man slack and it's carry Judy who drops passes
and drops passes in the other team's hands, and that
was a great intercession by Jordan Battle, but he did

(01:16:05):
drop the ball. He bobbed the ball. It's a pedestrian
running game. It's it's there's a lot of that, and
they gave up a couple of big drives. But the
part that I thought was interesting, I think this is
the mo of. You want to go down the fielder
on us, It's gonna take you a while. And if
if you want to let it take you a while,
that's fine. You're gonna get a couple on us, but

(01:16:25):
you're not making big plays and you're gonna eventually mess up.
That may be different this week. They may blitz the
living daylights out of Jacksonville for all I know, but
that seems like right now the mo of we've got
some depth up front, We're gonna rotate our depth. We're
gonna be fresh, and by the fourth quarter we're gonna
wear you down defensively and you won't be able to
do the things you may maybe did. I mean, well,

(01:16:46):
there were two alarming drives, right there's a ten minut
driving an almost eight minute drive. Those are warming, but
that's all they want basically, And yes, you had Schmidt
Schmitt himself and you know, miss an act appointments in
a field goal. The Browns do Browns thing because that's
why good the Browns. But all in all, I thought
that was a great step forward for the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
I wanted one thing beyond them to win the game.
I wanted to see no miss tackles, and I'm sure
they missed something, but I did miss them. I didn't
see as many as I did last year. I saw
something to build on there. And that game on Sunday
was the first time in a while that in real time,
I sat out loud, Hey there's Logan Wilson, No and listen.

Speaker 12 (01:17:25):
So I did your buddy Paul Danner's podcast at Downtown
last week and he does a by sell something on
the podcast and I got booed last yecause my cell
was Tea Higgins because he was hurt when we did
the podcast. And so this year I said, you know,
my cell was Logan Wilson. He looked slow, he looked older,
he's doing injury, he got injury issues, injury history. He

(01:17:48):
looked great. And I hope that's the case. Looten I
even say the pie. I hope I'm wrong. I'm glad
I was wrong. I like Logan that the Bengals need Logan.
You can't suddenly all of a sudden like they get
on Sunday for a stretch to have a two rookie
linebackers look at each other like, hey, how are you?
How are you? Have you played before? No? Mean, I
mean that's that's a tough place to be, and that's
where they were for a chunk when Logan went out

(01:18:10):
for a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I also saw two rookies on defense and one on offense.
So look, Dylan Fairchild wasn't perfect, but I didn't watch
him across the course of the afternoon thinking oh boy,
he's going to be a liability and then defensively sort
of the same with Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight.

Speaker 12 (01:18:25):
It's so funny about Shamar Stewart. So I do as
you know what podcast with Rick Boring every week, and
we were talking about that on the podcast day, about
Shamar especially, and so I'm sure you saw the tweet
where Shamar and Miles Garrett's PFF grade and pass rush
win rate were literally almost identical percentage points away, and
it was like, Okay, I saw that. I saw that
with my own eyes watching him win. And then you

(01:18:46):
know what, if you look at the stat sheet, you
know what he didn't do. He didn't record a single
stat And that's that again, maybe that's maybe that's the
part where we looking back at his textas and him
and career and go, gosh, he does effect games. Maybe
he doesn't show up in the status for whatever reason.
Now were at the point where at some point you
also need to finish some of this stuff. But there
was a play where he sets the edge and turns
the guy inside and somebody else makes the tackle. You

(01:19:08):
know what, you get credit for, get credit from the
coaching staff for that. You don't get credit on the
stat sheet for that. But it's a good play. Somebody
needs to set the edge, you know. As much as
Sam Hubber was kind of a I like Sam, Sam
was just a guy. But Sam did all the things
coaches love, like if you're supposed to set the edge,
set it, and you get no credit for that other
than when the coaches going watch Sam on film, watch

(01:19:28):
how he set the edge. No fan knows that, no
stat knows that. And I think there was that was Shamar.
I think there were times where schamorro also got some
pass rush where he didn't get home, didn't get close,
but he affected maybe the timing of a Joe Flacco pass.
So I think again the next step is show up
on stat sheet. But yeah, I mean overall, I thought
he was really good. He was no, No, he was noticeable,

(01:19:49):
and I.

Speaker 16 (01:19:49):
Think that was a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, that's that's all that I was looking for, Richard
Skinner from Local twelve Local twelve dot com. Were their
offensive issues simply attributed to the fact that the Browns
have the antidote, which is Miles Garrett and sticky corners
Or was there something deeper?

Speaker 12 (01:20:05):
No, I think there's anything deeper. Dividing is a great point.
Last three years in Cleveland. Here's the artist totals two
years ago in the rain where you know they can't
play in the rain as we know. And again it
was Joe with dealing with a cat issue.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
But they had one.

Speaker 12 (01:20:16):
Hundred and forty two yards. Last year they had two
hundred and eleven thanks to Charlie Jones nine even our
kickoff return they won. This year they have one hundred
and forty one yards. I just think, for whatever reason,
facing them up there is just a challenge that's three
years of that's not anecdotal eleven. That's three years of
pretty good evidence that you just have a hard time
up there. I do think they they were conservative. I

(01:20:37):
think they were wary of Miles Garrett, and I think
to some degree, Miles Garrett gets in their head a
little bit to where that's all they're thinking about is.
You know, there's a lot of criticism of Zach Taylor
because of the timeout Joe Burrow took. We talked to
Dan Pitcher today and I think Dan kind of really
let the counter back a little bit, not in a
bad way like we got in some whoops where we

(01:20:57):
were just worried about where Miles lined up on a
particular play call and Joe didn't like it. And that's fine,
Joe doesn't that. But again, you know, the christ is
well Zach Keller and not communicating It wasn't that at all.
It was Miles Garrett's here, we don't want him to
be here. Let's get into a different play. And I
do think Miles is in their head. But then when

(01:21:18):
you watch that one series where Miles goes sack sack,
have a good day, you go, Okay, I get it,
but that was literally one series, So stop worrying it
might be. Stop worrying about him. So just play your game,
and your game's usually a pretty good game. Now to
the other point of that, you're worried about Miles Garrett
got to he's gonna rush the passer and then you're
trying to win one on ones on the outside. Well,
Denzel Ward, he might be one of the few corners

(01:21:41):
in this league. He doesn't shut Jamar Chase out, but
he does shut him down. I mean they took a
couple of shots. Even Greg Newsome the one time made
a good play on Jamar. I think they just have
good man corners. They got a dude who is a
generational talent, and you just you're worried about him, and
so I get it. I'm not worried about it. Anybody
worry about this offense is silly. This offense has too

(01:22:02):
many dudes, and you only play Cleveland twice and you
don't play them againuntil the end of the season. So
uh again, they're not the best defense in the NFL.
There's just a bad matchup for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
I'm silly and I'm not concerned about the offense. So
that says something there you go. All right, you're the man,
thanks so much. Go ahead, Hi brood, alright, thanks both.
We're communicating about as well as me and my ex.
Richard Skinner from.

Speaker 12 (01:22:27):
Time Out Tickets. Let me take time out, take time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Out, all right, bye, Richard, Richard Skinner from a Local
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Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
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I'm doing great.

Speaker 13 (01:24:24):
You know we get to talk about this Bengals.

Speaker 14 (01:24:26):
Defense for another year. You just couldn't keep me away.

Speaker 13 (01:24:29):
I'm excited to talk about a bunch of things. I
think I'm going to be able to talk through some
film stuff. And then we got a bunch of new
data from Summer Sports that we're going to start to
be able to kind of put out publicly. So I'm
excited to see, you know, how much our eyes match
some of the AI data for this season.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
All right, well, let's let's do it with the Bengals defense.
The game in Cleveland. Were they actually good or just
lucky they played the Browns?

Speaker 13 (01:24:50):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I think they were.

Speaker 13 (01:24:53):
They had a rough time on a sort of down
to down basis where it felt like the Browns were
just not like creating a ton of explosive plays, but
you're able to just kind of stay ahead of the chances,
you're able to get to another manageable down. And when
the Browns put a second tight end on the field,
they got a little bit heavier. They got in that
under center kind of ground and pound. Look, I think
that made life a little bit hard on a Bengals

(01:25:14):
defense that didn't really want to blitz in Week one.
They didn't really want to put heavier personnel. They didn't
want to take that fifth defensive back on the field
a lot. But no, you know, I think I've heard
a few things about Shamar Stewart. In Week one, some
people say, oh, you know, he didn't kind of pop
in the this number of that number. I mean, I
was watching and I think I saw someone who likes
He very much has the traits and even if he's

(01:25:35):
not this kind of like slim edge rusher that we're
all used to seeing, just kind of winning with feet
on the edge. That guy can run through someone's face
and I think he's going to be crunching pockets all
year this season.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Yeah, you know. Coming out of the draft, and I
think you and I may have even talked about this,
everybody focuses on one and a half sacks. I understand why, right,
you want an edge rusher to sack the quarterback, but
he was disruptive in college, and if I get that
level of disruption here, things are going to happen.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
Absolutely like and when you have Trey Hendrickson, they're thankfully
you still have Trey Hendrickson there.

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
For however long that may be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
He causes so much stress.

Speaker 13 (01:26:10):
So if you are forcing the quarterback to say, hey,
I can't look to the left because Henderson is coming
around the edge, and if I look to the right,
my right tackle is going to be in my lap
because of how strong Schmark Stewart is. That is a
real positive thing. So I'm really excited to kind of
see that through this season because you've got to be
able to create something on defense. And now I will say,
like kind of technically, the BEng defense did win them

(01:26:32):
this game with creating some turnover. So I do think overall,
I leave that game being kind of excited about where
Schmar Stewart is at right now. Obviously you want to
see it along a bigger sample along just more and
more against better tackles overall, So I think that'll be
a fun one and something that we talked about a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
One more on on their defense. So they they had
a hard time in the preseason, and you always take
preseason results with a grain of salt. One of the
one of the reasons thrown out for their defense sensive
issues in the preseason was well, they're not showing anything.
Al Golden even talked about that. Zach Taylor did as well,
they're not showing anything. They're being vanilla. That's fine. You
hear that all the time in the preseason. Uh, what

(01:27:11):
did you see from Al Golden scheme? That would suggest
differences from what we saw last year under lu Aromo,
you know.

Speaker 13 (01:27:18):
Not, I don't want to say a ton I think
overall it feels like it is really the bones of
the same defense. I guess, you know, Golden and at
Miami Ran I think a lot more man coverage. I
still I feel like Romo's approach was we're going to
be multiple in our zone coverage, and I felt like,
you know, maybe it put a little bit too much
on the plate of some of those defenders. I didn't

(01:27:40):
look at it when I watched and say, oh, there
was this crazy coverage rotation. This is something that we're
going to be talking about a whole week, which you
don't have to have that to be a successful defense.
But I think, you know, maybe you get a little
bit of just a difference up front, but a lot
of things kind of are carrying over. So I do
think that their banking that they're going to improve based
on getting their players to play faster, play a little

(01:28:02):
bit more confident overall, as opposed to like, hey, we're
going to scheme up something crazy and now, No, I
obviously don't want to bring this up. Cold defense looks
pretty sweet with I think with players that with players
that he might be a little bit more comfortable with overall,
So like everyone wants to be, Oh, we want to
be the Brian Flores's defense.

Speaker 14 (01:28:20):
We want to do this.

Speaker 13 (01:28:20):
You want to do that, you do have to cater
to your players, and if your players are not in
the spot to be able to do that yet, you
want to try and find ways to get them to
play fast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Sean side Is with a subscribe to his newsletter, the
Stats and Scheme Newsletter at sumersports dot com. Uh, offensively,
look the Browns, We've talked about it here for a
couple of days. Not a great matchup. Miles Garrett's a
hard matchup for everybody. They have good corners. But did
they do anything against the Bengals that someone else, like
say the Jacksonville Jaguars could could steal from other than

(01:28:52):
just you know, stealing their players.

Speaker 13 (01:28:54):
I mean, yeah, it would be nice if every team
could steal Miles Garrett, right, you have him just for
a few stats every game. To me, when I was
watching it, it felt like the Browns were winning on
those kind of fifty to fifty type situations where you say, hey,
Jamar Chase is on the outside. We're gonna play him
as tight as possible, and if we win, we win.
Like if we lose, we lose. There's gonna be so

(01:29:14):
many times this season where I come on and I'm excited, like,
oh man, Chase just totally moss this guy.

Speaker 14 (01:29:19):
It was so so good.

Speaker 13 (01:29:20):
But the Browns kept winning those situations over and over
and I feel like, you know that, I just don't
think that's gonna happen every week now. Do I think
you could maybe manufacture different ways to get Chase on
the movement? And I do think they were a little
bit creative in their all offensive usage where you get
a second tight end on the field and now you're
forcing the defense to play a little bit different. I
do like, I mean, I don't like well that Joe

(01:29:42):
Burrow was being like put him to a pressol. I
did not enjoy watching some of those hits, and I
was happy to be watching them and not feeling them.
Those were pretty rough, But seeing his ability to continue
to move through the pocket like that is something that's
obviously very encouraging. I part of me feels like, Okay,
you get through the preseason without any injuries. There is
a positivity there where you are able to be kind

(01:30:02):
of on some of your stuff in the pocket overall,
but I don't imagine that everyone's gonna play as good
as the Browns defensive back. So I guess that's something
that if that keeps happening. Denny Schuttelak, are we doing
enough to get to Jamar Chase on the move and
involved in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Talk to me about the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think they
have a guy in Brian Thomas who I believe is
one of the best two or three players that no
one has ever heard of. Didn't have a very productive
first game against the Carolina Panthers. Jacksonville wins that game easily.
It's another head coach, it's another system for Trevor Lawrence.
Travis Dien had a very good game. Obviously, we're gonna
be paying close attention to Travis Hunter and how they

(01:30:39):
use him as well. Liam Cohen is a darling among
people who love schemes. Even though he never stays in
one place. What makes what he does so challenging for
opposing defenses.

Speaker 13 (01:30:50):
Well, I'm guilty of being a Liam Cohen fan for sure.
I will say that I think ke Do does a
good job adapting his scheme to what his O offense was.
So with Tampa Bay, they had a really good offensive
line that can move around in different ways. I think
with Travis Hunter, he was trying to get him kind
of manufactured touches where it's like display is sort of

(01:31:11):
meant for you, and I really like that, like, hey,
you want to get one of your guys.

Speaker 12 (01:31:15):
Going in the game.

Speaker 13 (01:31:16):
I think that he is doing his best to just
streamline things for Trevor Lawrence overall, where you don't want
Lawrence to kind of be patting the ball and getting
his feet kind of funky in the pocket and creating
some issues that way.

Speaker 20 (01:31:26):
So I liked.

Speaker 13 (01:31:27):
Watching some of Cohen's designs in Week one. You're gonna
get some heavy sets. You're gonna have to be able
to fit the run. If Cohen can just run on
you all game long, he is more than happy to.
So I think that that's something that will be on
the lookout certainly this season. Anthony Campanelli on the defense,
and I think he had some interesting looks overall where
it's gonna be a lot of z own coverage. I
think that he is also certainly going to prioritize stopping

(01:31:49):
the run, just getting a little bit funky on the
back end. But now you have one name of what
he is called under his belt where you can watch
that film. It isn't just like a total total like
what is this guy gonna even become? But you do
have to face Jack Knez Allen. You don't have face
Miles Garrett, but still have a good dresser there. I
think you're still hoping for better pass protection overall from
the Medals Unit.

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(01:35:25):
excited personally because I've had a chance to m see
a lot of sports tags. I have never had the
opportunity to MC the Molar High School Sports Tag, which
is going to be happening here two weeks from tomorrow,
on September the twenty fifth. The special guests The Nasty Boys,
Rob Dibble, Randy Myers, Norm Charlton from Molar High School

(01:35:49):
just up the street. We're so close you can give
me an in studio visit. Barrett Cohen, Andy Nagel. It's
good to have you, gentlemen. What's going on? Thanks Mope
for having us the Nasty Boys. You know you still
say that, you say that to my age, right, I
was thirteen years old when the Reds won the World Series.
And it evokes such great memories. It's going to be
an awesome night, it really is.

Speaker 12 (01:36:08):
MOO.

Speaker 21 (01:36:08):
I mean when you were talking Reds and the frustrating
part with the Reds today, you know, the three games
out of the wild Card they win five, they lose five.
Their average or a five hundred team. But when you
talk about the nineteen ninety World Series team and the
Nasty Boys, and you were a teenager, I was twenty,
Barrett was fifteen ish, you know, I mean that's our

(01:36:29):
wheelhouse man. That was great times. And to think about
that roster and to have these three legends come, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Yeah, it's awesome. And I've had the opportunity. I've had
the opportunity to interview all three individually and be a
part of events with them collectively. They are awesome together
in the very unique own personalities that you're dealing with.
But you know, we talked to them on our Big
Mo podcast that comes out every Wednesday. I'll give a
shameless plug there, but they basically said, all stories on

(01:37:00):
the table, So you know, we'll.

Speaker 21 (01:37:02):
Look to you as being the master of ceremonies to
prompt some of those stories.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
An easy get to do much just you know, give
them three microphones and I'll sit there and tell them
when time's up. That's trying.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
You know what's interesting too, Mo is that this is
the thirty five year anniversary of that ninety team. So
I don't know if the Reds I think was it
norm Or rob Or said that they didn't think there
were any plans for the Reds to celebrate them. So
we're going to use this night to celebrate him as well.
The Reds Hall of Fame will be there. It's going
to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Yes, it's going to be It's going to be a
really good time. The twenty fifth A lot of stags
take place in like February, March, maybe January. Why September?
We try it. We want to do something different, and
it was kind of selfish.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
Let's be honest. Part of the deal is Mueller basketball
plays pretty long, and the volleyball schedule and Carl Kramer
I got tired of him. Yeah, so I said, you
know what, look, yeah, go ahead, its tribe booting this
to the fall.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
It works and it's different.

Speaker 21 (01:37:56):
Like you said, everybody has their stags in the spring,
so we said, let's do it in the fall and
seat it happens and and so far, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
It's gonna be Thursday, September the twenty fifth, two weeks
from tomorrow at Molar High School, So kind of roll
through what the entire evening into five thirty to seven o'clock.

Speaker 21 (01:38:12):
We'll have food and drinks seven o'clock, the Nasty Boys
go on from seven to eight, and then at eight
from eight to nine we'll do a Q and a
session with UH with the audience, So bring your questions.
You can go to Molar dot org m O E
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(01:38:36):
came over from that school on the West Side, he
made that days a really big VIP. But we've kind
of it's almost like a fireside chat where we're gonna
have four chairs up on that stage, the Three Nasty
Boys and yours and yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
Yeah, the kind of what's your favorite story because Andy
and I eggs and I always talk about your favorite
Nasty Boys memory. I mean I always go to normal.

Speaker 22 (01:39:00):
Charles running over like Socia, right, Yeah, you have one
Rob Dibble throwing it in the back, Doug Descenzo, wasn't it,
yeah Field, Yeah, yeah, those are probably the two to
me as a kid, like Randy Meyer's personality where and
it's it's it's in the the ninety World Series VHS
video which you know the folks our age have memorized

(01:39:21):
or he would have like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Hand grenades and Army Navy paraphernalia in his locker, Like
I remember that as a kid, going, huh, that's kind
of an odd ball, Like I don't know if there's
anybody else on the team, who's who's gonna like Randy,
And I'm sure they took to him. But what I
I remember when they made that trade. John Franco was
obviously a terrific reliever here, and it was like, huh, lefty,

(01:39:44):
lefty reliever for a lefty reliever, that's kind of an
odd one for one deal. It worked out. It frankly
it worked out for both, but it really worked out here.
But how lights out was that bullpen? I mean you
had to beat him in the first five innings or
you were done. It's cliche. It's you know, in this
in this era where bullpens are you so much more
right like back then it was. It's a six inning game.

(01:40:04):
It's if you if you don't have the lead after
six on the Reds, you're not going to win the game.
That's a fact. And what a luxury for a manager
to have. I think it would be fascinating in this
day and age to see how those guys would be used.
We wouldn't be able to afford them, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
We talked. We just talked about how the games changed.
And we talked with Rob. He said, those guys, you
see guys pre game now they're doing handshakes and you
know they're dabbing it up. And he said, when we
played other teams, you didn't talk to them, right, I mean,
if any so, the whole the whole landscape of competition
at that professional level has changed dramatically, and they say

(01:40:42):
it's tough for them to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
And what I remember, you know, the sweep over the
A's and ninety. To this day, it's it's one of
the biggest upsets in the history of baseball. It really is.
One of the advantages everybody felt like Oakland had was
Dennis Seckersley, who we beat in Game two. And I remember,
you know, the back here was god around the country.
I'm not sure they know what we have in the
back end of that bullpen. And even though Charlton or

(01:41:06):
Dibblin Myers were co MVPs of the LCS against the
Pittsburgh and it was still like the perception was with
with Oakland in the back end of the bullpen, they
still had Rick Honeycutt. I think they obviously had Dennis Secrescley,
who's rightfully so in the Hall of Fame. But I
remember as a kid going like, huh, I don't know, man.
If I'm Oakland and I'm not leading after six, I
don't want to see what's coming, right.

Speaker 21 (01:41:27):
I mean, they had to bash brothers, and I think
everybody you know the home run and ye, their chicksticked
long ball. They were so enamored with that long ball
that they forgot probably about that ball. It was interesting
during COVID at the time, Balley Sports showed all those
games and even you know, at that point thirty years later,
I'm watching it and that lineup is terrifying, and I'm
back to being thirteen years old again, where it's like, Okay,

(01:41:48):
you gotta get Henderson and Lansford out, but then it's
gonna be a book it Then Harold Baines is in
that lineup, and Willie Randolph is pretty good, he's batting eighth,
but they still have Dave Henderson. Like that lineup was terrifying,
and the Red's neutralized it. The Nasty Boys were a
reason why.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
That's right, all right, molar dot org. It's uh, two
weeks from tomorrow night. How many people did you ask
to MC before I said yes?

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
Four or five?

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
The last time I was supposed to MC, I had
to cancel last minute, So I wouldn't have blamed you
had you not asked me.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
I forgot all about that, So you just met who
was that for? It was that Sean Casey.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
It was for me. Yeah, it was a good one
and I had to go to Utah for the n I.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
I'm glad I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I'm glad. I'm glad you did as well, and I thought, God,
they're never gonna have me.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
I'm never going to do. You do a fabulous job
connecting with these guys, and it's my favorite parts of
Q and A. You can you get all the stories
of everybody's personal memories and you do a tremendous shob.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
I can't wait two weeks from tomorrow night at the
event is at Molar High School, and again, tickets are
available now, whether it's a whole table, individual tickets, Molar
dot org. Anything that we left out, you got it.

Speaker 21 (01:42:55):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
I appreciate you having us on.

Speaker 14 (01:42:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Going to be a blast. We'll see you there. Andy Nagel,
Barrett Cohen Muller High School sixteen from six o'clock. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
It's away on ESPN fifteen thirty tomorrow on the show
we're broadcasting from the Kroger Queen City Championship presented by
PNG will be a TPC rivers men and I should
be allowed to get it and around while the ladies
and the LPGA tour play. I don't think I'm going
to be allowed to do that, but we will do
a show tomorrow with all of our normal first day

(01:44:05):
stuff and maybe one or two surprises in store. We
got like what like eight minutes, We got like eight minutes.
Talk to some other folks. We have been busy today
thanks to those who have waited patiently. Bob, You're on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Bob, How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:44:19):
I'm good?

Speaker 15 (01:44:20):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:44:20):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I've never been better? What's up?

Speaker 20 (01:44:23):
Hey? Did you tell me a while back? Are you
going to the Eric Church show at rupp.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
That is on my birthday? And while I badly want
to go and originally thought I'm going to try to go.
I am unfortunately not going to be able to.

Speaker 20 (01:44:39):
Okay, the reason I'm asking my my buddy, who I
told you is going to do the camera for him.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:44:47):
He he got myself, my son, and his wife tickets.
So we're we're going to be there. I just I
didn't know if you were. I didn't know if you
were actually going or not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Badly want to go. I've seen Eric Church four times.
I was hoping that would be my fifth. It was
going to be my birthday present, but uh, other other
events have popped up. Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 20 (01:45:08):
I understand. Hey, I UH have a.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
How do I put this?

Speaker 20 (01:45:14):
I I have a a criticism. And you know I
like you, and we've we've spoken, and and let me
say first, every time I ever recall MO with with
the exception of maybe one time, you've put me on,
so I'm not I'm not complaining for me. And and

(01:45:38):
really I think what I'm trying to do. I I
listened to a lot of talk radio and and I
know you said earlier today you said I'm not going
to take a ton of calls today. Well, you know
your your version of a ton and somebody else's I
think would would probably greatly differ most most of the

(01:46:01):
talk shows I've listened to, would you say, over the
course of a week, you probably take twenty twenty five calls?

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Depending on the time of year, we have more stuff,
more segments, more guests during football season than we might
have during the summertime or once football is over, So
it sort of varies. You know, this time of year,
we don't have as much time for calls as we might,
let's say in April or May.

Speaker 20 (01:46:26):
Okay, my suggestion, and like I say, it's merely a suggestion,
I would say, and I know from your knowledge of
sports that I would imagine you prepare as much as
anybody I've heard on the radio or on TV. Well,

(01:46:47):
we have youful, I don't think so much, I would
say myself. I know a whole lot myself, But I nowadays,
with what you know and what I know, you're you're you.
You put me, you put me on my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
That's that's very kind of you. You said all the
nice things. Now, what's your criticism, Bob, Well.

Speaker 14 (01:47:13):
It's only this.

Speaker 20 (01:47:16):
What I would try and do I if I were you,
and I understand what you're saying about the uh, the
time of year, and those kind of things. I would
take at least a couple times a week an hour
where you did nothing but take phone calls. And if

(01:47:36):
you're speaking on a topic to yourself, limit yourself to
three minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
So here's the thing about that, right, I would do that.
I would do that if someone could guarantee that I
would get and hours were the phone calls. I learned
very early. Yeah, I learned very early in doing this
very I mean like years before I ever got on
the air, when I first started that if if you
decide to plan a segment or a show or an

(01:48:05):
hour around getting phone calls, you won't So like that
sounds great, Bob, I wish. I wish my phones were
lit full every every hour every day. There are days
and I don't. It doesn't bother me because I don't
plan the show around phone calls. There are days where
I know, uh, hey, I did a good segment there,

(01:48:26):
I made good points. I threw out the phone lines
and they didn't ring. That's okay, because you you prepared
to do a show. I do at least thinking the
phone's never gonna ring. If it does, awesome, If I
wanted to take phone calls and just take phone calls
for the sake of taking phone calls. I could come
on at three oh five and go, hey, what's your

(01:48:48):
favorite color, and then I'll get phone calls from people
who go on my favorite cover, my favorite color is purple,
or yeah, yeah, my favorite color is green. Well, it's
not going to be very good, and so I My
favorite thing to listen listen to is a sports talk
radio dork, and I listen to a lot of sports
talk radio. I love hearing hosts interact with phone calls.
But I do not believe you can plan segments like

(01:49:09):
that because you cannot control whether or not you're gonna
get calls.

Speaker 20 (01:49:13):
So I heard Rome a lot of times say I
don't plan my future based on you all calling in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Yeah, I mean, look, I used to produce Mike McConnell's show,
who I think is the best talk show host I've
ever listened to, and would I would listen to him
to amazing segments and think, God, no one called in,
and because you can't control that, like you know, and
Mike and the million times better at this than me.

(01:49:43):
But as much as I love hearing from people and
as much as I am genuinely touched when anybody decides
to pick up the phone and call, especially in a
day and age where folks are busier than ever, there's
other ways to get a hold of the host. Like
I don't take that for granted. It's why I try
to be transparent. Hey, look, today is a day where
we we don't have a lot of time for phone calls.
I believe, like to me, if if you listen to

(01:50:05):
this show and you don't hear a guest, there's an
invitation to call there. Now it is my show. I'm
not doing my job if I don't outline topics give opinions.
I'm certainly the first to admit that at times I
can drone on a little bit too endlessly. But if
you if I decide, like every Wednesday at four o'clock,
we're gonna we're gonna devote time to taking phone calls,

(01:50:25):
what do I do if the phone doesn't ring? If
you could guarantee me the phone's going to ring and
I'm gonna have enough calls to get through the hour,
I would do that. We've done segments where in the
in the time of year where there's not a lot
of going on. We've done that, Tarn and I have
joked about it. We've done ask me segments where we
basically say, all right, bring up whatever you want, talk
about whatever you want, and crickets. I've also like we

(01:50:48):
did yesterday, we had like full lines all afternoon yesterday,
and I don't know why, Like I didn't. I don't
think I said anything necessarily controversial. It's the part of
the show that, to me is always the most fascinating variable,
because you never know what people are going to react to.
You never know what is going to make people pick
up the phone. Sometimes I feel like I've said nothing
remotely interesting in the phone rings, and sometimes I'll think, God,

(01:51:11):
that was pretty good, and the phone doesn't. So I
think planning something around something that is completely out of
your control is just a very perilous approach, so to speak.

Speaker 20 (01:51:22):
Well, you know what, like when you did something like
Guests the Foot, Yeah, And I'd be listening and all
of a sudden there's call after call yeah, and I'm like,
for Guests the Foot.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
And really, ninety nine point five percent, and this is
true across different genres, different formats. Ninety nine point five
percent of talk radio listeners never even think about calling. So,
like you know when when you if you design your

(01:51:58):
show around phone call, you're designing it around that point
five percent, and you need them to think about calling.
I have enjoyed the conversation though, Bob as always, and
we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 14 (01:52:09):
Okay, well, we have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Constructive criticism. We like it.

Speaker 12 (01:52:14):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Here we have to go Bengals game plans next, have
a great night. Back at it tomorrow three oh five
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