9/23/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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what's going on? Oh not a lot? No, no, not
in your world. Hey, you know what, it's great. It's great.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Now everybody can go back to talking about the Reds again,
which is it's night. The Reds were like perfect timing
and opportunity to re enter the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
So here's where I am with that, right, I'm thrilled
that we're talking about the Reds. The last week of
the season, the first Bengals game in Cleveland, the Reds
played at the exact same time the Bengals beat the Browns,
Hunter Green stuck into the New York Mets to cut
the lead to four. I tweeted something about that and
was told, read the room. Yeah, nobody cares, it's over.

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What are you doing? Fourteen days later, I tweeted something
about the Bengals game. Mo, read the room, it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Move on. The Reds had the city's attention.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, okay, I'm here to go wherever the attention is.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
They're earning it. I mean they earn it. Both sides
have earned it at this point. Certainly the Bengals earned
it yesterday. But you know, it's stunning both it's kind
of in both ways. And you know, I went up
to Minnesota and thought that it's gonna be a tough environment,

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like you know, Brian Flores, just there's a lot of
questions about how the offense would be able to handle that.
You don't turn it over five times and you should
probably be okay, Like I did not anticipate. I don't
think that there was any anticipation of that. But that's
what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Mo.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, when you turn the ball over five times, that's
what it looks like. When you just when you lay
it on the ground three times in four snaps.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
It looks like worst lost by margin in franchise history, right,
that is that is what happens. I went through all
the exact five turnover you know, the margin was five turnover?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
How many times? What does that look like?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
It was like a last one hundred and twelve times
A team's one hundred and eight three and one half
of them over half of them are by twenty plus points. Yeah,
like this is most almost all of them by double digits.
Like that's what happened. There's no surviving that. So like
I the one part of Sunday that I have a

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hard time with is the this is clearly indicative.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Of who they are this entire season.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think there is a very concerning element to what
happened up there on Sunday, and for obvious reasons that
I know we'll get into. But they're not gonna be
a team that's gonna fumble at a million time homes.
There's no history of that. That said, their margin for
air playing without Joe Burrow is so razor thin. They

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have to be a team that wins the turnover battle consistently.
They have to be a team that is efficient running
the football. They have to be a team that can
do some of the basic things not shoot themselves in
the foot.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
And when they do have.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
The occasional game where they did a couple times too many,
that's what's gonna look like all season because their margin
for air has gone down to be such a small
sliver of what Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Used to cover.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I want to talk about all of that, what happened
on Sunday, what we do with that game on Sunday, and.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
What lies ahead.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I would feel irresponsible if we didn't start the hour
by talking about Rudy Johnson.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, so if you don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Rudy TMZ reported this this morning, dead at the age
of forty five, and I'll let you go dive into
the particulars of that if you wish. The Bengals have
released the statement. Sitting on my desk this morning, I'm
not going to claim that like Rudy Johnson is my
all time favorite Bengals player, but he is a big
part of my all time period as a Bengals fan,

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the mid two thousands and look, Man, twenty one was awesome,
twenty two is great.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Loved it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't know that I could perfectly encapsulize what it
was like to be a fan in the mid two thousands,
when Marvin Lewis came here. They drafted Carson Palmer, they
had Chad Johnson, they had Rudy, They go eleven and
five in two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I revere those teams.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
It's my favorite all time period as a Bengals fan,
and Rudy was a big part of that. And I
saw that this morning on Twitter. That was like a
knife to the guy that hurt me.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
He was such you know, we talk a lot about
the passing attack on those teams and how fun it
was to watch Chad and TJ and Carson, But those
offenses never really.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Came into their own until Rudy started taking off.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Once he came in at that point midway through twenty
two thousand and three, which led into the Kansas City
game that still looked upon his fans' favorite games in history.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Was when Rudy fully took it over.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
He was active at the beginning of that year, and
he just had this running style like a bowling ball
and this like just relentless motor that was so fun
to watch and meshed perfectly with that line and that
passing attack and him. It was getting the at that time,
and he was just exactly he became kind of their personality.

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They just kept coming at you. They just kept coming
at you. And that was his style in the games
where you mentioned this one today again where he had
forty three carries was kind of a breakout. But those
are the San Francisco game I think of like a
bunch of these were you could just keep handing it
to him like it would just be and he would
just wear people down and eventually have one where he'd

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bounce off a linebacker and take it for twenty or
thirty mo. I went back through I was looking up
some of his stats because I just remember his consistency,
and you know, he he had thirteen hundred yards and
exactly twelve touchdowns, but at least thirteen hundred yards and
twelve touchdowns in three consecutive seasons four oh five, oh

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six now, and there are only five players this century
that can say they have any.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Three seasons like that. Yeah, and he had them all
three in a row.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
He was such a force for that team, you know. Yeah,
just awful sad news to here today because he was
an absolute core of those teams.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I tweeted you mentioned this two thousand and three. My
favorite Rudy game was actually the week before Kansas City,
they played the Texans and there ain't anybody there, Like
the box score says fifty thousand people.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, nope, blacked out, not on TV.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And the offense was you know, John Kittning is playing quarterbacks,
so there's limitations there. Chad Johnson is ascending, but he
hasn't reached superstar. And yet that day against the Texans,
he carried it forty three times and in the fourth
quarter as they're trying to take the lead and trying
to salt the game away.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Literally felt like he carried it on.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Every play that was their offense, right, and like forty
three was a lot. Then you imagine that now, Yeah,
imagine giving the ball to Chase Brown forty three times.
But it was just there was no disguising what they
were doing. Every single play. We're giving it to Rudy.
And I think I looked it up as longest run
that day was twenty one yard, so it's he gained

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one hundred and eighty two scored two touchdowns. It's not
like he had a big seventy yard run. I mean,
it was just you know, just punching away three yards,
four yards, two yards. You know, we giving it to
him on first and ten, Okay, at second and nine, cool,
we're giving it to Rudy, all right, third and six,
we may throw it, but hell, we could give it
to Rudy. And I remember they won the game. And

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that's the first time that I can recall everybody and
it might have been forty thousand in the park, Like
you know, we remember that time as like people started
coming to Bengals games again. They didn't that day but
I remember the Rudy champ and I remember going like,
all right, maybe Corey Dylan is expendable, Like yeah, but
there was a that time, like you you say, and

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it's it's not that dissimilar from Joe, Jamar and T.
But like there's four guys. If I say to anybody
who cares about sports in this town, say which one
about Carson that period of time, Carson, Chad, tj Rudy, Like,
and I felt like those guys then were everywhere, Yes,
pre social media for the most part, Like those dudes
were everywhere, and he was one of the faces of

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that man. It made me so sad this morning.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
You know, I'm a I know you know, we both
know Paul Docherty really well. And one of the things
that one of my earliest memories of stuff that he
wrote was about Rudy Johnson and he was a column
after one of those games, yeah, and wrote about Rudy
was like how he's always on the bike when the
when the defense is off on the sideline. He's like,
it's to the point that you get mad when someone

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else is on the bike.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
No, get off, that's Rudy's bike. Yeah, Rudy's on the
bike because.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
It's even when he's not out there, his legs are
moved and he's thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
He was going.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It was like that was kind of his attitude, perfectly encapsulated,
kind of his attitude as a player, like just always going,
always churning to the next and just and and when
you talk to more people. When I heard people reached
out to me, whether it be on Twitter or whatever,
when this came out today, was so pointing because I wasn't,
you know, around or covering the scene when Rudy was there. Yeah,
but pointed out that he was incredibly giving with his time,

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incredibly generous guy and super to deal with off the
field as well, and you know, never you know, the
type that would absolutely never say no to an interview
and always be pleasant and thoughtful and genuine and remembering
him that way too. So sad, awful news. The NFL
is a scary sport. We don't know the details of

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any of this, yes, right, but I just the moment
you hear the mention of some of the stuff that's
being mentioned, I just get scared. And I feel for
so many players that play this game knowing the risks
of what could potentially happen. You see it happen all
the time. You know, it's a players now, it's it's
tough stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You mentioned. Everything you say is correct.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You mentioned being giving of his time, and we had
him on the air in twenty fourteen. We were doing
Throwback Thursday, and the idea was every week, get you know,
a figure from the past. It's like we had David Klengler,
we had David Shula, but the first one we did
was Rudy Johnson, Like, you don't know, like it's been
a few years since he played, is he gonna, you know,

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still be Is it gonna be cool talking about his career?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Is he not ready to do that? He was awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And then when he was an active player, when I
think of that two thousand and five season, I think
of Monday nights. For me, this is before I was
on the air, But I would produce Bengals Line with
Andy Furman and Dave Lapham and we would do it
at this Game Day Sports Cafe downtown and they could
never get the star players because they would be overwhelmed.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
So you would always get like.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Anthony Mitchell or you know, we got John Kittna one game,
But you would you wouldn't get Carson Palmer, but we
got Rudy Johnson. And I remember he's he's there to
do six to seven. You've done these shows, you know,
be there for an hour and then it's like, holy crap,
he's going to be swarmed. And he sat there and
signed every autograph, shook people's hands and was just like

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this is his off night. It's Monday night, right, Like
all he's obligated to do is be here for an hour.
And I remember doing another hour of the show and
looking over and there's Rudy just and again like I'm
not sure that happens with anybody else now.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Man, it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
No, I mean, I can think I can count on
one hand, you know, all the years we did Beyond
the Stripes. It's very similar step up, yeah, and we'd
have some stars, we'd have some Anthony Anthony Mitchell's of
those times, right, And I can count on one hand
amount of times that people would stay before and after
Giovanni Bernard I remember specifically doing it, and not that

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they have to, because they don't have to, right, And
that's sort of the point, is that it's a it's
not even expected, it's truly the extra mile.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
It's truly the just enjoying.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Being out there and around people and being, uh, you know,
just sort of understanding that you're not bigger than anybody
else and humble and so uh yeah, awful stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Eighteen minutes after three o'clock, Paul Danner Junior, The Athletic
dot Com and The Growler Podcast. I will admit that
I have not had a chance to watch you and
Charlie go over the rewatch of the game.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I understand why people are hesitanting.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's not been. It's been. It's been because of lack
of time. But my goal was My goal was to
watch it so I can react to it. But what
better you guys than me. Yeah, having to rewatch.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
That, well, I gotta tell you I enjoyed doing it
because it is dissecting. I think what is going to
be the conversation piece that's going to define.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
What the rest of this season looks like. All right,
we'll get to that when we come back.

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all the time, the game on. Let me start with
this part. Okay, the game on Sunday. When a team
gets blown out, I think it's easy for people to
default to, well, they quit, and I think that's the
most I think that's the harshest accusation you could throw
at a team or an athlete. I don't love using

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that with a broad brush. Maybe it happens anecdotally. I
do think that I don't know that they quit. I
do think there was a, to me watching on TV,
a lack of fight when things got really bad.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
But I I stopped short of saying they quit.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
What do you How do you respond when someone says
that game on Sunday, yeah, fluky stuff happened, but they quit.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah. I don't care if they quite it was over,
they knew, I mean it was it was. We were
going through on the Rewatch show.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
I had a clip I was just clipping out the
Chase Brown runs and I had one in there and
I was I had said to try.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
So.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I want to start with this one just because I
always have the score, time, game and situation on the
top just so you can look at it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It says forty eight to three when it's at that
point when it's thirty four to three and a half.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I didn't see guys giving up to the point where
you're like, whoa, there is no effort happening.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Were there a couple business decisions.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I guess maybe, were there a more younger guys playing. Yeah,
all the rookies were out there except for Schamar Like
it was a lot of that going on, just playing
it out.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't really have a problem with that.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I look at the I'll still look back in to
answer this specific question. I'll look at weeks one and
two when I feel like there was a ton of
fight amidst a bunch of adversity, and they showed a
lot of fight.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
To win a couple of games.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
And we can debate that but like how they should
have won or whatever, but I mean the Jacksonville game
in particular. Yeah, everything that goes down there, no quitting guys.
I look more at that than I do. You know,
how what did they look like when it was forty
eight to three trying to run duo.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
So at that point I have no idea because I
wasn't watching it. Yeah, there were good NFL games on.
It was a remarkably fun NFL Sunday and the Reds
were playing, So I quit too, Yeah, I mean honestly,
like I I just oh they quit in the second
half Sunday.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I would have a problem if it was I mean,
if it was something within more reasonable, even if it
would have stayed thirty one to three or something, right,
you know, I just in the fourth quarter when it's
a million to nothing, Like, I don't really know why
we're trying to judge off that. I'll judge off other
situations before that one, I guess.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So the question that has been asked often and you've
written about is about the continued inability to find success
in the run game. Right, So, with an offensive line
filled with guys who are not renowned for their run blocking,
with them not changing the running back himself, the featured

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running back, Chase Brown, I'm sure they're not going to
dramatically overhaul the plays in their offense. How does the
running game get better enough for them to survive this season?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
With a backup quarterback. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
I mean, it feels like there aren't a lot of
answers out there. I think there's a couple of things
at play.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
One. I do think that Minnesota was.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
A challenge they weren't ready for in terms of, you know,
they just they're they're not gelled together.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
The plan was giving them fits.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
They were tentative, they lacked any kind of aggression, and
they seem to not know what they were supposed to
be doing right And and I'm not gonna get into
why that is yet, but like so, I do think
that will change, like as time goes on here. I
do think you can grow confidence in young players, especially

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how they had two rookie guards out there, a third
and a fifth round pick.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
In that game.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
And this is what we said, I mean, if you're
gonna go play rookies, it sounds great to say play
the kid. No, oh no, you were gonna live through
those growing pains. They are gonna see things they haven't
seen before. They're gonna experience the NFL in ways they
didn't know football could be played before. They're gonna go
through a lot of stuff and they have to go
through that. I've referenced this. I'll never forget the conversation

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I had with Clint Bowling a couple of years after
when he talked about recognizing after after the fact a
year or two later, how lost he was his rookie year, like,
how lost he felt out there, and he was the
last Bengals pick to get a second contract with Cincinnati
on the offensive line, he was a success.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, but you just have to go through that.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
This is what guys go through when they have to
play as rookies. It's not gonna be clean, they're gonna
make mistakes, they're not gonna play with confidence.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And when you have two of your five spots, Dalton
Reisner just got.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
There okay, and whether he should have been there earlier
or whatever, like you talk about that obviously, but that
stuff happening, the lack of confidence, the lack of totally
understanding what you're supposed to be doing because of rookies,
because of being new, because of gelling, because of scheme,
maybe they're not learning it right, whatever, any of that

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all is that can get better in time. So I'm
trying to answer your question, Yes, that can get better
in time if they can start playing confidently and know
what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
It's obviously it's not a Chase Brown problem. I felt
bad yesterday. I was just trying to filter out Chase
Brown's running game yesterday and questions of Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think he felt like I was saying Chase Brown
is stinking it up, and I enjoyed that interaction.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I wasn't that I was trying. I was not trying
to say that. I was trying to say, like, what's
happening with the run game. I didn't want to get
into the gadget plays and everything and the like, oh,
what if Taj Brooks did in the fourth quarter. Let's
talk about, you know, forty seven carries for ninety three
yards or whatever. And somehow I think I came off
as saying Chase Brown's problem with you.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Know, the before contact numbers are.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Negative fifty four yards before contact this year for Chase Brown.
I mean, so it's negative zero point six yards before
contact per carry and the worst the NFL average is
positive point two six.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
There's it's it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
It's crazy that you're constantly having to work behind any
you know, and Chase Brown now has going back to
the year two thousand first three games of a year
minimum forty attempts, the worst.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Output in terms of yards per carry.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
One point ninety seven that we've seen this century in
that in this scenario, incredible from a guy who I'm
telling you I couldn't find a soul in that building
that watched the media, any of us that had seen
last year, saw what he looked like now heard everything
that they were saying, that would ever say that, Oh,

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Chase Brown's not gonna do You're much from him right
right now. Granted the Borough thing is another part of this,
but it's stunning. It's it's stunning that it's this bad
when you have him and kind of know what you
have and have the other weapons that you have. I
don't think it will continue at this level. Uh, they're

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they're looking at they're looking at tweaks and schemes they
got to be they're looking at you know, maybe it
is a ripping up of the whole thing that we
seem to talk about at this time every year. Uh,
there's gonna be changes, but I think you're banking on
the changes, building confidence in those changes, in those news schemes,
and then the inevitably it's just gonna come back to
the players playing confidently and knowing what they're doing in

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front of Chase Brown.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Paul Danner Junior, the Athletic Dot Com in the Growler Podcast.
I cannot imagine what it must have been like to
rewatch that football game.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, I filtered it out. I certainly did not rewatch
the whole entire thing. I definitely picked the spots I
wanted to focus on.

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(25:44):
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the Bearcat's getting said to take on Kansas on a

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Saturday afternoon Where to Oakley Greens Here in Oakley Paul
Danner Junior from the Athletic The Reds play the Pirates tonight. Now,
many believe that Hunter Green should pitch tonight's game, so
he could also throw on Sunday. Do you concur with
that chunk of the fan base?

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I like Brady Singer. Brady Singer has been really good, Rachel.
I mean I don't. I don't know, what's some stats?
I mean since July twenty first R two one five.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, it's good. I think more Hunter Green is good.
But I also think that you're partially don't. I don't
want to get into the logistics of this because I'm
probably gonna mess it up. I've been focused on what rewatched.
But if Hunters should be pitching game one of the playoffs, right,
if this works, it works out well, If yeah, you

(26:57):
do jeopardize like, okay, what are we doing? But if
you want him for Game one of the playoffs. Then
got to get there. You gotta get there. But I
just think I have faith. I would have faith, and
Brady Singer, yeah, I would have faith, and I know
whatever whatever they're gonna do. I like the setup that
they have now with wou Tell, Martinez, Chase Burns, Yes,

(27:20):
as three wild card pieces to shove in there, and
it cleans up everything you can. I mean, you can
do a game with those three and feel great. You
know what I mean if you wanted to put together
a game. They may end up doing that. But like
I like, I like the setup of those three guys.
As they now start playing more, Playoff should be managed
like Playoff style based from this point forward.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think you saw it with how they used Burns,
and I think you saw it with Nick Martinez in
the role that is perfect for him. I know you
were in Minneapolis on Sunday, but I mean to me,
like we've said it all year long, what's it's what
makes them dangerous if they get there.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
They're really good starting pitching, but.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
A couple of bullets you could use at any point
in the game to get more than just one innings
worth of outs.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Gotta get South Stuart in the lineup, no question, I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I I understand.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
It's like where got to get when you're when you're
trying to win these playoff type managed games and you
are riding the back of pitching.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
In defense and that's fine.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Uh huh one swing from south Steward can win you
a game. Yes, you're counting us that so, yes, d
h whatever matter. Need him in the batter's box right, Yes,
it's where he plays. And you've just seen too much
to this point of of what he can bring you,
uh to to not I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I just I want you need more at batch from
South Stewart's part of this. Uh, it's my mini Reds analysis.
That's good. That's good. I think most would would agree.
I learned that listening to power Sacks. Power Sacks is awesome.
It is awesome. Yeah, yeah, Charlie and Bryant killing it
right now. I did listen to that. Yes, yes, great stuff.
The rewatch I'll get to tomorrow. It's okay, Well we'll
talk tomorrow. Listen to it. You'll be on the podcast

(29:02):
tomorrow morning. I don't have to rewatch the game. Maybe
I'll save some of my favorite clips for you. In
the the.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
The run up to the game on Sunday, many wondered,
are the Bengals gonna go get a quarterback? And could
that guy be the long term dude? At least long
term meeting the next three months. In the aftermath of
Jake Browning's performance, many have yelled and screened, now you
have to go get somebody. Let me start with Jake
on Sunday. He wasn't good. He had a lot of
help in not being good. How much do you put

(29:34):
specifically on Jake minimal? I mean, understanding what he is.
He's a backup quarterback.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, I don't. I don't come out of that game.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
They're gonna have to figure out how they can have
him better walking the line, you know, between aggressive and reckless.
The Dan PITCHERR reference with us yesterday, which I think
he has struggled.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
With a little bit here.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
In these first two games, five picks, but a couple
of them have been just throw them all away, right,
And Dan Pitcher admitted that the pick six was just
you just got You're gonna have to make some throws
for them to win, but you gotta know when not
to better. And I think that's where they're at kind
of with Jake. But it's about the pressure. It's about
it being third and long over and over and over again.

(30:26):
You want to see how you lose, and lose ugly
being third and long in that building against Brian Flores
all day right, Like he's out there, guys are doing
three different pre snap looks. Everyone's running all over the place.
You can't hear yourself think for a second. No one
can call out any kind of an adjustment or audible

(30:47):
talking to the person next to him. Everybody's moving around
and it's third and ten again. Okay, that is no
way to play football. It's no way to win in
that building. It's as tough as it gets in terms
of trying to actually execute. That's why we keep talking
about the run game from the other day and the

(31:08):
lack of any kind of efficiency on first and second down,
Like if you can't find some way to keep yourself
out of I mean, it was seven first downs or
seven third downs in the first half, and all of
them except for one or eight or longer. I mean
it's over, man, Yeah, it's over, and you have to

(31:31):
find a way to get that help. He is going
to be a part of the problem until you help
the rest of the players be a solution. Like you
have to have good down and distance, you have to
have a balanced run game. You have to be running
more under center play action. I hate to keep harping

(31:52):
on it, but like, yeah, they did it five times
the other day. It's a successful thing when Jake has
done it every time. They do it at one of
the lowest rates in the league. Like, you've just gotta
beat keeping the other team thinking about is this a
play action play that they can get me? Not just
firing off on the under center runs and all that stuff.
You've gotta be doing more screens Chase Brown. Okay, this

(32:15):
is one of my favorite things. I was looking at
right before I came over here.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Do you remember his.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Miles per hour play that we talked about in Yeahpolis
twenty two miles per hour. Yeah, under center play action
screen to Chase Brown. He takes it fifty four yards.
Do you know how many times they have run an
under center play action screen to Chase Brown since then?
Less than five, zero, sew times they have done that
since then? Good coaching under even just one time in

(32:42):
the Pistol they did one time in the pistol they did.
He got twelve yards and had space to maybe break
it farther against the Raiders last year. That's it doing
so to me, like that's he's a weapon when when
when Jake Browning came in in twenty twenty three, one
of the biggest things they did was they started heavily
leaning into the screen game. It was the best I've

(33:04):
ever seen a screen game on a team I've covered. Yes,
it was unbelievable. Every time they threw it. We talked
about it like anything I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
It was crazy. All of a sudden, they were in
a great screen team.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We talked about them screen passing their way to the
postseason because they did it.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yes, because they tried it, because they were doing it,
and you find things that way.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
That year. That was the thing they found.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
When we talk about how they've changed schemes and leaned
into certain things to invigorate running game or situations that
weren't ideal, like the fact that that has to be
something that you're doing, the fact that you're just not
doing it even once a game, two, three times a game,
like it doesn't no one's saying going out here and
screen it twenty times, but like you have to be

(33:45):
trying to do some of this different stuff to just
to try to open everything up, and I think you're
hoping that you'll see more of that. They obviously didn't
have a ton of rhythm or game script to do that,
or the moment they did start moving the ball, it
got laid on into the ground.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
It was a bit of an anomaly game on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
But as we go forward, there's just gotta be more
of that kind of stuff. They're not gonna just suddenly
be able to move people. They're an offensive line of
pass protectors that aren't great at run blocking, and the
whole thing doesn't seem to be working real well together
right now. You can tinker with that all you want.
I don't know that you can change that dramatically. You've

(34:23):
just got to start being way more diverse than some
of the other stuff that you're doing to keep the
the defenders off balance, it seems like, and they certainly
weren't doing enough of that on Sunday, And maybe that's
something that comes out in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I have three minutes to go over two more things. Okay,
number one, no on Kirk Cousins. Then oh, sorry, Russell Wilson, Yeah,
I don't need that. I don't think Jake Browning is
the problem, but I don't. Do you want what you've
seen fro Russell Wilson?

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Do you like that? You like what you've been seeing
some farm good? Is he better than Brett Rippon? Though
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I didn't like what they're doing with the backup thing.
You don't want to be in a world where you
have to watch Brett Rippon or Sean Clifford or and
you know, no offense to those guys. I just don't
really care to sing Mike White. I would have liked
to have seen someone with a little bit more experience
and a little bit I've been kind of banging the
Tyler Huntley drum. He's just sitting on Baltimore's practice squad.
He's played a lot more, he's been successful to a degree,

(35:17):
more so, certainly more experienced than those guys have recently.
I'd like to feel better about your backup, so you
could maybe turn to that you don't going out and
like thinking that Kirk Cousins is gonna come in here
in salvage some kind of this season, or be that
dramatically different.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, I don't. That's a bucket of cold water you
just threw. Sorry is fine? No, it's a here to
be the voice of reason to be. I don't know.
Maybe maybe I'm unreasonable, Maybe I hear a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
I just think the guy that's been here this long,
that does know that have is the trust of the
team and and chemistry with the receivers, has a better
chance of digging you out of this than somebody who
shows up and says, Hi, my name's Kirk.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Who is your name? Jamar? Like and they do.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Would imagine Kirk Cousins knows Jamar Chas's they chake hands. Yeah,
there might be other teammates that he's not that familiar with,
but Jamar, I'm thinking he would know who that.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I wonder what it's like to throw up the football
to this guy, right, I don't want to have to
think about that.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, that's all the Other part of this is you
talked about them like not being ready, and we hear
what's the Brian Flores defense, and like this is wearing
on me Game one.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's just a bad matchup.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I know, Okay, division team they see twice a year,
can't figure it out elite wide receivers. Okay, bad matchup?
How many more of these teams are they gonna play?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Where you go?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh, you know, the other team's just got this great
defensive coordinator. Or hey, the other team's got good corners
and you can't expect Jamar and Tee to get open.
Or boy, this other team they just they got a guy.
He's a really good three technique. Like I'm already tired
of hearing about how just throw your hands up, because
not a lot you can do against the immortal Brian
Flora is in his defense that the Atlanta Falcons figured

(36:54):
out a way to score twenty two points against like this.
It's not to say that the expl as to why
things went poorly is invalid, Certainly.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
It is, but why three games in twice?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
It's whether there's just nothing they can do against the
opponent when you got Miles Garrett or when you got
Brian Flores Like, well, the other teams have good coaches
and players too, so there's not gonna be a thing,
just another bad matchup.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I mean, they scored thirty one against Jacksonville, who looks
to have a pretty good well.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
They only play them once. I'm just I mean, the
Browns are a good defense. The Browns just held the
Packers to ten. Were they a bad matchup for the
Baltimore Ravens?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
What's that where the Browns defense a bad matchup for
the Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Ravens obviously goes well for the Browns. I'm not saying,
I just it's like, okay, I'll give you the fine.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
The Browns are a bad matchup to the Packers stink
because they they lost to the Browns. As far as
I'm concerned, you only get to play the bad matchup
card once Bengals played at Week one, and don't get
to play it again week eighteen since it's the same team.
If if the if, the the excuse every week is
gonna be well just can't can't, can't do anything against

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that Green Bay defense, then what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I think they went into those two games, the Minnesota
game and the Cleveland game, specifically playing conservative game plans
to try to not turn it over and try to win.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
It that way.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
That is the type of game they wanted to play.
One of them they didn't turn it over. The other
one they turned it over five times. I think they
thought they could go to Minnesota and win like they
won the Cleveland game by being safe, and that means
it was you're not gonna see some of the open
stuff that they played differently against Jacksonville they did. They

(38:37):
just they let it rip more. They just said we're
gonna dictate with our passing game. I think that's more
of who they're gonna be all year. But I think
part of what they were trying to do this year
is to try to just win the turnover battle early
on when they don't quite know what they have, because
they feel like that's where they have lost.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Games early in seasons in previous years.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Comes a lot harder to go through all of that
evolution as you deal with the burrow, the browning thing
that's happening. But I think that's part of that's part
of what's happening this one. When you, like I said,
when you're in third and lungs, Yeah, when you're when
it's when you're down by a bunch in that building.
I think that's a bad match up for the NFL.

(39:21):
I think putting yourself in those spots, I think they
tried to avoid that by running the ball and for
on the early downs as much as they did it,
just they just couldn't do it. Is they needed to
find other ways to get yards. They probably need to
do more of the gadget stuff that they tinkered with
or the quick game that they were tinkering with. They
didn't and it put themselves in those bad spots all

(39:41):
over and over again. I think that's that is all
part of what has gone wrong. I'm curious to see
how it evolves. I don't see them being.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Bad.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
I think they try to praise the other team afterwards
because they're not trying to take credit away from them.
I don't think that there's you're gonna have a season
of them playing the bad matchup game. I understand you're
sick of hearing. I don't know, not like it just
started this year.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I know what I want to fire into the sun
with more emphasis strike technique or bad matchup.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yeah, well there might be something fired into the sun
if this year continues like.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
This up front, thank you as always. Yeah, it's a pleasure.
We talked about the rest. That part was fun. I know,
I enjoy it. I enjoyed this.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Come on, you know, I thrive and things going sideways.
I love I lived on sway to the nineties. As
a child of the nineties, you know, you know, I
appreciate this portion of the program.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
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Speaker 3 (40:43):
Think of next week you'll.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Have the Reds in the postseason, perhaps the Bengals on
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Speaker 3 (41:38):
It is a Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So we are broadcasting from Oakley Greens, your home turf
for a Bengals away game, including on Monday night when
the Bengals good at Denver. Awesome place to watch the
Reds this evening as well, first of three big ones
against the Pirates. If you are wondering, No, South Stewart
is not into Myke's starting lineup this evening on seven

(42:01):
hundred WLW. We'll get to some Red stuff as it
relates to tonight's game and this week in just a
few minutes. But I want to spend a few minutes
with a gentleman who has been on our show before.
A renowned sportswriter nearly fifty years in the business, a proud,
very proud Miami Redhawk, and the author of a book

(42:23):
about the Big Red Machine. And let's face it, there
are few teams that have been written about as much
as the Reds of the nineteen seventies, but Terrence Moore's
take on the team is unique because he writes about
his evolution from fan to journalists during that period of time.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's a great read. He was kind enough to send
me an electronic copy of it. I devoured it.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
There's a lot of stuff in there that even if
you know, ever you think you know everything about the
big Red Machine, that's really going to surprise you. And
so I wanted to spend a few minutes chatting with Terrence.
That's a long intro Terrence, but nonetheless nice to have you.

Speaker 9 (42:58):
How are you, Oh, I'm doing quite well.

Speaker 10 (43:01):
And it's still being a Reds fan from way back
when let's pull for them, particularly when they played Milwaukee.
Can they finally conquer their great satan Milwaukee?

Speaker 9 (43:11):
I mean, that's that's the question.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Well, you know the last time, Terrence, and you have
a good memory and you've covered this sport for a
long time, the last time they went to Milwaukee for
the last series of the season. They needed to win
that series in nineteen ninety nine, and they lost two
out of three and we lost Game one sixty three
to the Mets. Obviously there's no game won sixty three anymore.
But they need to have a cushion before they go

(43:34):
to Milwaukee.

Speaker 10 (43:36):
Yeah, they definitely do. And you know, Milwaukee has turned
into what was the Dodgers. For the Bigger eight Machine
back in the day, it always seemed as if it
came down to the Dodgers. Okay, so at least is
not the Dodgers. So the Boors you triggered, they could
be somewhat conquerable.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
But you know what you mentioned the Dodgers, right, So
if the Reds can do this, and they've got their
hands full with the Pirates team that's got good starting
pitchers Paul Schemes tomorrow, go to Milwaukee this week. But
if they could go to Los Angeles and take on
the Dodgers, that would evoke a lot of memories for
folks who remember that period of time back in the seventies.

Speaker 10 (44:15):
Yeah, and I'll tell you a a diehard Big Red
Machine fan growing up and not healthy back then. In
the sixty eight we moved there from South in Indiana
and that was the first year of the Big Red Machine.
Arguably in sixty eight it was always a Dodgers. But
you know the thing with the Big Red Machine, for
those of us from that era, it all came down

(44:35):
to what the.

Speaker 9 (44:36):
Big Red Machine wanted to do.

Speaker 10 (44:39):
You always felt like if they wanted to dominate, if
they wanted to get the job done, they.

Speaker 9 (44:43):
Could, particularly when you start getting.

Speaker 10 (44:45):
More towards the team in the mid seventies and was
the complete team. Was the pitching, the speed, the defense,
They had it all back then, and so it was
more so what they well they how much they wanted
to dominate, it seemed.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
The book itself, which I mentioned the of via email,
I thoroughly enjoyed My Big Red Machine, the tails, drama
and revelations of the fan turned journalist covering Baseball's greatest team.
There have been a lot of books written about the
Big Red Machine. It's very timely because obviously this is
the fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen seventy five World Series.
But this is a unique take on it to kind

(45:21):
of walk us through the idea behind what you wrote.

Speaker 10 (45:25):
Well and again, growing up as a diehard Big Red
Machine fan, I lived and died with this team, and
I hope everybody says.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
That that I literally lived and died with this team.

Speaker 10 (45:34):
So I went from that to going to school, as
you say, up the road at Miami University, and a
week after graduating from Miami, I started working for the
Cisciety Inquirer a full time and a lot of my
assignments involved the Big Red Machine. So I had this
rarity of being a guy who went from idolizing a

(45:56):
particular team that happened to be, in this case, the
greatest seem in a history of baseball to sing up
tills and personal what these.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
Guys were like.

Speaker 10 (46:04):
And I want to tell you this was a surreal
experience for a lot of reasons. But I'm going to
start off I just mentioning this is one quick thing.
My all time favorite player was Pete Rose. First time
I was ever in a midjor league clubhouse, sophomore year
at Miamia University, May fourteenth, nineteen seventy six, Pete Rose
comes up to me and introduced himself to me, and

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you know, and I'm just I'm about to faint.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
And he asked my name, I said, I said to
Terry Moore. Okay.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
A year later, and this is unbelievable, right about this book.
A year later, I'm an intern at the Ciscidy Inquirer.
Pete Rowles come up to me and says, how's it going, Terry?

Speaker 9 (46:45):
You work for the Sistant Inquiry yet? And I told him,
I'm just an intern.

Speaker 10 (46:49):
He said, oh, you'll work here full time, and lo
and behold. The next year when I was there full time,
he come.

Speaker 9 (46:55):
Up, came up to me again. And the very first
story I ever did as a.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Professor of sports ride was on ped Rolls talking about
the softo man called Pete.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
Which was awful, by the way, But uh, it.

Speaker 10 (47:06):
Just stuff like that just cannot You couldn't dream us
up in a lab.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I you know, I can't imagine. I can't imagine being
that age and being in that clubhouse, much less any
big league clubhouse. But but that clubhouse. You know, people
always say never meet your heroes for obvious reasons, you know,
doing this, I've I've had the chance to meet many
of my childhood heroes. I mostly have fond memories of
those meetings, some not so much. But but take me

(47:36):
through what it was like in a working environment to
be in in the clubhouse with guys that you would idolized.

Speaker 10 (47:43):
Well, I want to want to say something, but when
you saw it in the book, I would say on
a zoolo ten basis as far as what I expected
out of these guys and the thrill or they not
so much of the thrill that you would expect that
you might have men your heroes.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
It was.

Speaker 10 (48:00):
It's a pretty close perfect ten as you can imagine.
I mean, it was one of the greatest experiences of
my life. Even more so than just meeting them. I
developed this great relationship with these guys afterward. Pete Rose,
you know, I know there's a lot of controversy about
Pete Rose. I've got very little bad to say about
Pete Rose. He was always great with me.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
You know.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
I was with him through the forty four game hitting streak,
typing topping ty cops record. I was there when he
said he didn't bet on baseball, which of course he did,
so I had a great relationship with him. Joe Morgan,
we had a great relationship Sparky Anderson, and there's all
kinds of unique stories in the book with those relationships,

(48:42):
and one I'll give you a Sparky for instance. I'm
talking to Sparky one time when he's a manager of
the Detroit Tigers, and I'm expecting him to say the
glowing things about the big reversine, about how it could
have lasted forever, and he told me a couple of
things that shocked me, and one of which was he
said that after they won the second consecutive World Championships

(49:04):
in seventy six, he said that team was done. And
I was like, no, you got the kidney Sparky.

Speaker 9 (49:09):
I said that if you guys would.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
Have kept Tony Priz and a few other players, he said, no, no, no, no,
it was done, and he was talking about how bored
he was after they wanted where He said that there
was nothing else they could do. They could have just
blown up the team. Then I was shocked by man.
He literally shot uh the stuff that I got out
of Bob Housem, and I'm sure you found a lot
of surprising things there where Bob Housem, the architecture of

(49:33):
the Big Reversine, was very tight lip with the media
when he was in charge of the risk. But I
got to Bob Housem near his uh, near the end
of his life. He was eighty eight years old, and
I got him on the phone about another matter, and
it was just unbelievable where he told me everything, including
he was mentioning, uh my guy Pete Rose.

Speaker 9 (49:56):
I said that, uh, uh, you know, the Pete.

Speaker 10 (49:59):
Rose decision came when he had left Bob holgam had
gone and his predecessor, successor, dig Werner, took over. And
then Bob Housem told me, he said, well, you know,
we had to let Pete Rose leave to go to
the Phillies because we found out through police reports that
he owed gamblers thirty thousand dollars and they said that

(50:21):
that he was going to be found in the bottom
of the Ohio River if he stayed with the Redgs
any longer.

Speaker 9 (50:27):
And that just floored me. That had never been said before.

Speaker 10 (50:30):
So different things like that I was getting from different
guys through the years, and certainly afterwards when their careers
were over with the rigs.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
How hard was it, because Bob Housem passed away seventeen
years ago, how hard was it to hold onto a
lot of that stuff?

Speaker 10 (50:49):
Yeah, you know, And here's the thing that's so interesting.
I am my mother's son. I don't throw anything away.
I mean I've found saved records. I say books, I
say papers, I say tape recordings, and there's about hol
of them. Thing is is a classic example of how
this was meant to be back in two thousand and six,

(51:10):
and this is like two years before he died. I
literally taught him about something else, and h Antonio Davis,
who was played for the Knicks at the time, was
involved with an incident where he ran up into the
stands in Chicago to fight a fan, and I recalled.
In nineteen seventy three, the Reds were playing the Mets
and the NLCS, and after the Mets won the NLCS, uh,

(51:33):
the Reds contingent, you know, as far as wives and such,
they were being attacked by Mets fans. So I thought
up house them to see if people talk about this,
And again no one had talked to how of them
in years.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
So he talked about that. But that's when he started telling.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
Me all this other stuff about the big Red machine,
you know, and including about how Dick Wagner his success
was overbearing and he should have never gotten the job,
about how George Foster, about hell, he got George Foster
by accident by scouting another person with the Giants, a

(52:09):
minor leaguer by the name of Bernie Bernie Williams, not
that Bernie Williams with the Yankees.

Speaker 9 (52:13):
But another obscure Bernie Williams. So some of all these stories.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
So after he finished on me these stories, I had
had the recording of this and again.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
This is two thousand and six.

Speaker 10 (52:23):
But working for the Land of Journal Constitution at the
time as a columnist.

Speaker 9 (52:26):
There wasn't anything I could do with the red part
of it.

Speaker 10 (52:29):
So I said, well, let me put this tape recording
aside and save it.

Speaker 9 (52:32):
For another day.

Speaker 10 (52:33):
And I forgot about it. So mo, I'm writing this book.
And then I started thinking about myself. Wait a minute,
I had this recording with Bob Houseman, and I couldn't
remember exactly what he said. So I went down to
the basement and here is years later, you know, and
I started planning in recording is in perfect condition, and
I was even blowing myself away with what he was

(52:53):
saying with these things. So if things like that just
kept happening, So I was meant to write this book
for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Uh. It's a terrific read.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It's out in what about a week and a half
October the eighth, Terrence Moore The Uh The Pride of
Miami University My Big Red Machine, details drama and revelations
of a fan turn journalist covering Baseball's greatest team. Great storytelling,
awesome perspective. I can't thank you enough. I appreciate you

(53:23):
doing this, Tarran, thanks so much.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
Well, I'll tell you ball they can get it directly
from me at www. Mybigredmachine dot com right now, matter
of factor orders, and I will give you an autograph copy.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Can't beat that My Big Redmachine dot Com. Terrence. I
enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It's great for any Reds fan who wants uh companionship
reading as we watch the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
You got to check out the website My Big Redmachine
dot Com.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I read that book in a day and a half.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
It's uh, it's it's really really good. I know there
are folks here Big Red Machine. Oh god, you know
another book. It's as unique and as good and as thorough.
Even Marty Brennan in the forward said there's like seventy
percent of the stuff he read in the book he
didn't know. And obviously he had a front row seat
for the seventy five and seventy six Reds. It's nineteen
after four o'clock. We'll get to some of the things

(54:17):
the Reds are doing tonight. No Sal Stewart. Uh, we'll
talk about the decision to have Brady Singer pitch tonight's game.
All that coming up more on the Bengals in the bit,
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Twenty seven after four o'clock, This is ESPN fifteen thirty
Moegger Football in the Natty. Then, no real Bengals news
today beyond the extraordinarily unfortunate news of Rudy Johnson's passing
at the age of forty five. Paul Dayner Junior and
I spent the top of the show talking about this.
I love that that stretch from let's say the middle

(55:29):
of three through the first few weeks of the two
thousand and six season. They started three and oh and
o six and then things kind of got ugly during
that year. But you know, I'm sure there are folks
listening right now who might have been might be too
young to really remember what it was like for the
Bengals to be good for the first time in fourteen

(55:50):
fifteen years, make the playoffs for the first time in
fifteen years. There was nothing like it, and the twenty
twenty one team was a blast. Also kind of came
from nowhere that season, and I'm not even sure that
that team during the season itself elicited this sort of

(56:12):
fervor that dominated this city in two thousand and five
in particular, And so it's always been my favorite all
time Bengals team. Obviously, not the most successful, not the
team of my youth. That would be eighty eight, not
the team that I've I've you know, for lack of
a better way of putting it, gave me a huge

(56:33):
professional jolts in twenty twenty one, that obviously was awesome,
But that two thousand and five team, when you've gone
fifteen years basically watching your team be totally irrelevant, and
then it suddenly isn't just good but has all these personalities.
There's nothing like it. There was nothing like that five team.
And I think it goes without saying even understanding how

(56:58):
a lot of folks think about Carson Palm. The main
particulars that year are known by their first name Chad
or their nickname o Jo, TJ.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Carson and Rudy and Rudy Johnson. Man.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
You know, I talked about this before and mentioned it
on social media. That offense in four and really five
get it gets talked about because of the passing exploits
of Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson and how good they.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Were in the air.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
But man, Rudy Johnson was a huge part of that
offense and before they took off throwing the football. You know,
when Rudy Johnson took over for Corey Dillon in two
thousand and three, he was their offense again like my
favorite all time Rudy game. He carries the ball forty
three times for one hundred and eighty two. That workload

(57:50):
is it's not only unheard of now, quite frankly, in
two thousand and three it was. It wasn't that common
and I remember that day, I remember the Rudy chance,
and so I believe, and you know we're talking about
mostly pretty young men right now. I believe that everybody
from that team, and if I'm wrong about this, my apologies.

(58:13):
I think he's the first from that group that we've lost.
And so to read about that this morning, it's certainly
totally unexpected. I will leave it up to you to
go find out what exactly happened with Rudy, because I
don't want to be irresponsible. I just that guy was

(58:34):
beloved in this town, is beloved in this town, and
that team was fun and special, and I think about
that time frequently, and when I do, I always think
about Rudy Johnson. So unfortunately, that would be your Bengals
news today, and it's the saddest news you could possibly
talk about, Rudy passing away at the age of forty

(58:56):
five years old. Somebody asked me today, should he be
in the Bengals Ring of Honor and take on the
Ring of Honor? Is put as many dudes in as possible, Like,
what is the harm I'd put Rudy Johnson in the
Ring of Honor? And it kills me that if they
ever do, he won't be here for it. Twenty nine
away from five o'clock. We'll roll through a few reds things.

(59:16):
Sal Stewart is not playing tonight. Gavin Lux is batting third.
Gavin Lucks has swung a hot bat recently. I don't
know that I'm nuts about him hitting third. I just
I feel like they exploded offensively on Friday, hitting the
five home runs. Their offense is still largely unreliable. They
won a one nothing game on Thursday. They want a

(59:38):
one nothing game on Sunday. To do what they're trying
to do, I feel like they're gonna have to win
low scoring games.

Speaker 11 (59:45):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
A solo home run can make a world of difference
in a low scoring game. And I just I trust
Sal Stewart more than I do Gavin Lucks. And I
know Gavin over the last five or six games has
gotten a bunch of hits. That's all well and good.
He's playing the hot hand. Lots of managers would have
done the same. I just if it's me, south Stewart
would have a place in the lineup every single game

(01:00:06):
the rest of the way because of his ability to
maybe run into one. Beyond that, and we'll talk about
this when we have a little bit more time. Later on,
Brady Singer is going to pitch the night. Brady Singer
has been really good, I think since July twenty first.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
His ERA is two point one five.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
He is a reliable starting pitcher, and he takes the
ball tonight. You should feel like he's gonna give the
Reds every chance to win. But I think it's going
to be interesting. If they play one hundred and sixty
two games, they're on the outside looking in, and over
their last six games, Hunter Green has only been used
once more. On that coming up in just a bit.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Currently, even with the Mets owning the tiebreaker in the
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Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Sad news.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
To a report from the Bengals, Rudy Johnson passes away
at the age of forty five. He still holds a
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the Scott Saderfield Radio Show is at eight o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
You'll be able to listen to that on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
This is something that we have done on our show
for I believe the last three years. We're doing it
a little bit different at least today. So our friend
Ben Otto is among those who are gonna be marching
in the Miracle Walk, which is tomorrow seventeen walkers doing
a twenty one mile walk to Great American Ballpark for

(01:03:17):
the game tomorrow. Now, Ben has joined us in the
past from the course as he's been walking, and we're
gonna do this tomorrow with him. I don't think he
knows that yet, but as he prepares to walk twenty
one miles to go to a baseball game tomorrow, he
is joining us to tell us why he is doing
this with sixteen other people. Ben, it's good to have you.
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Oh have good walk Do you have good walking shoes? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:03:44):
In fact, I got a couple of pair on the ready.
Given the weather forecast for tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yeah, so that was my next is this is the
potential rain helpful?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Does the cool things off? Does it make it worse?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Is give me an idea how the forecast impacts tomorrow's walk?

Speaker 13 (01:04:01):
Yeah, so I gotta say it's not ideal, mostly due
to the friction that moisture can cause on the feet.

Speaker 12 (01:04:08):
Each of our walkers tomorrow are gonna log.

Speaker 13 (01:04:10):
Over fifty thousand stucks, So wet feet, wet stocks.

Speaker 12 (01:04:14):
It's gonna be rough.

Speaker 13 (01:04:16):
But I gotta say I'm very inspired by the group
that's going down there.

Speaker 12 (01:04:19):
We had a little meeting talking about what we're gonna do,
and everybody's all in it.

Speaker 13 (01:04:23):
We may get rain all day, it may storm all day,
but we're going to get that game ball down to
the field on time tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, that's the part of it. I didn't mention you're
bringing the game ball, so you guys are still starting
in Fairfield, correct.

Speaker 12 (01:04:35):
That's correct.

Speaker 13 (01:04:36):
We will depart the Joe Knucksall Miracle League Fields in
Fairfield at six am sharp.

Speaker 12 (01:04:41):
The Reds will give us the game ball right before
we leave.

Speaker 13 (01:04:44):
We'll walk that sucker all the way down to a
great American ballparking time for first pitch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
All right, so six am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And by the way, this is to support the Joe
Knucksall Miracle League Fields, which just an unbelievable initiative. If
you haven't had a chance to check them out, you
absolutely must, so start at six. The game is at
six forty tomorrow. Does it take twelve hours to make
that walk?

Speaker 13 (01:05:06):
Uh, you know, we're probably looking at like eight hours
of actual walking.

Speaker 12 (01:05:10):
But we've tried to try to take some breaks.

Speaker 13 (01:05:12):
So we'll be taking a good break at Triple Creek
Park on Pippin Road, then another brunch break at Brotherton's
Restaurant down and not Healthy, and then we'll get us
a burger at the Pickle Pickle down with our friends
in the North Side nice before before we make our
way downtown.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
So we'll have some breaks in there.

Speaker 13 (01:05:29):
And it's a little buffer time too in case we
get slowed down by the rain and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
But yeah, here's eight here's where you differ from me,
And this is what I admire about you and the
other people you're gonna be walking with. If it's me,
it would turn into a pub crawl, and there's a
decent chance I wouldn't get to the ballpark.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
You apparently have a lot more discipline.

Speaker 13 (01:05:49):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have a lot of discipline
in that regard as we get down there. But you know,
once we get to the park. I think they got
three dollars beers down at the park tomorrow, So yeah,
we'll kind then we'll catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
All bets are off. You started this, correct me if
I'm wrong in twenty twenty.

Speaker 12 (01:06:03):
One, Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
I did it solo, and twenty twenty one I thought
that was the only time I'm ever going to do this.

Speaker 12 (01:06:10):
I was happy to be done with it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
But you know, a lot of people kind of it
caught their imagination and now they're joining in and we
got a big crowd. We got a couple of slubs
and looking forward to having some company.

Speaker 12 (01:06:21):
But yeah, it was twenty twenty one was the first.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
One, all right, So the crew has grown. It's kind
of like Forrest Gump, right, I mean, you know, it
starts with one guy and it grows.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Who do you have walking with you tomorrow?

Speaker 13 (01:06:35):
So I got a lot of friends and family. My
wife's going to join. But people that the listeners here
will know we are friend Bob Herzog is going to
join us from local social media fame. We have that
one mailman, Sean Fogelson and Wow, and mister Brandon Elliott,
the Mullet review guy, is going to join us. So
it's a good good company for us to keep us laughing.

Speaker 12 (01:06:55):
On the way down.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
And will they walk the entire twenty one miles with you?

Speaker 13 (01:07:00):
Those individuals are committed to completing the whole walk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yes, Wow, amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
And then you just have other folks who are like, hey,
this sounds like something I want to do.

Speaker 12 (01:07:11):
We've had folks do that. We will have a crowd
of people that are just going to do the first
mile with us in the morning.

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
And I'd like to mention too, we have a we
couldn't do this without a comfort crew, what we call
the comfort crew. That's special people like Katie Baker and
Jen Judd and Rob Masted.

Speaker 12 (01:07:26):
Those those people are going to follow us along in
their vehicles.

Speaker 13 (01:07:29):
They will have some resupplies for us as we stop.
This whole thing didn't happen without them, So I want
to give them a shout out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
See, that would be something I would be good at.
Following along in my car.

Speaker 12 (01:07:39):
Hey, next year you're in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Next next year, I'll just all drive behind you. Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Let's let's talk about what you're what you're supporting. The
Joe Knucksaw Miracle League fields. I've had a chance to
tour them and and and take in the facility. It's
it's remarkable, not just what the fields provide, but the
work that the folks involved do. Give folks an idea
of what you're building attention for and supporting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:05):
So right now the gym nucksall Miracle Leagues in Fairfield.
It's a place where anybody of any age, of any
ability can play baseball. That's something that you know, when
I was growing up that wasn't there for people. And
it's in my neighborhood. I consider it to be the
gem of our community. And right now, our big focus
is a project called the Hope Project. It's going to
be a thirty one thousand square foot indoor arena for

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the athletes to use all year round, you know, right
now it's seasonal. There is also at putt course on
hand for anyone with any ability to use. But this
whole center project is big and we're trying to raise
awareness and funds to make that a reality for Kim
Nuxall and Tyler Bradshaw and all the volunteers and athletes
that use the Miracle League fields.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
All right next year, now that the timing's got to
work out because this time of year, I get pretty busy.
But if there's a way that I could be I
don't know that during the week I will be allowed
to walk to one one miles with you, but if
it's if it's on the right day a week, maybe
I could. I could rip off some of it. Do
you have to walk back to Fairfield after the game?

Speaker 13 (01:09:09):
That's that's on your on court there. I prefer getting
a ride home, Okay, So no, you're good. One way man,
one way, we'll get to it. We'll get your home.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
All right, Very good? Well, is there a way people
can follow along or learn more?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:09:22):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (01:09:23):
If you go to a Knuxsallmiracle League dot Org slash walk,
you can find all the information about the walk, some
links to help donate, spread the words, share the word.

Speaker 12 (01:09:32):
We really appreciate all the support.

Speaker 13 (01:09:33):
You know, we're going to be charging through twenty one
miles tomorrow in the rain, but we understand that, you know,
the athletes that use those fields face greater challenges every
single day than we were going to face tomorrow. But
but every donation we get definitely give us a little
boost in our step. So yeah, please check out Nuxhall
miracleage dot org slash walk and please donate and share
the message.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Can we check in with you tomorrow?

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a figure out a time.

Speaker 13 (01:09:59):
All right, Well, we'll kick the audience updated on our
progress for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Absolutely. Now what night, what happens tonight? You have to
go to bed early, that sort of thing, or how
do you prepare?

Speaker 9 (01:10:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:10:08):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, we're gonna have like a local twelve
will be on hand at the fields starting at five am,
so if you want to tune into their morning show,
they'll be doing some live spots. So yeah, I'll be
up there at four thirty am, So I'm gonna I'm
gonna try to hit the hay early and.

Speaker 12 (01:10:20):
Get my feet all rested up and we're all excited.

Speaker 13 (01:10:23):
You know it's going to be a challenge, but we're
gonna feel good when it's done.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
So yeah, we're gonna be in bed early tonight for.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Sure, I can imagine. All Right, man, best of luck,
and we'll talk tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:10:33):
Thanks so much, awesome, thanks moo.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I used to live in Fairfield when I first graduated
from college.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I lived in Fairfield. I would have to drive to
Mount Adams every day to come to the radio station.
That's not a walk that I would want to make.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
So I admired those guys for doing what they're doing,
and we'll follow their progress tomorrow raising awareness for the
Joe Nux Salt Miracle League Fields. It is thirteen away
from five o'clock, five one three. We have we'll take
some phone calls I think in the next hour five
one three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. I've had a
lot of discussions with people over the last week and

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a half about phone call volume on this show. Some
say we should take more, Some say we shouldn't take any.
Some ask me do we plan for them?

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I don't know. We'll we'll throw the phone number out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
We only have one more guest, our guy Sean Saya's
gonna join us at five twenty. We may play some
Scott Sanderfield audio for you. I do have a poll
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Why not see what the folks that United Heartland Insurance
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pitched tonight because he lasts through on Thursday through that
one hitter against the Cubs, and then they could have
adjust to the rotation to have him pitch tonight, which

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then he would have been in line to pitch Game
one sixty two, assuming it mattered.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
They're not gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Brady Singer is gonna pitch tonight, and Brady Singer is
then in line to pitch again on Sunday. Hunter's gonna
pitch tomorrow. Paul Skeens is gonna throw for Pittsburgh. Now,
theoretically they could use Hunter Green in a Game one
sixty two to get an innings worth of outs or
come in and retire one batter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
He would be doing that on three days rest. The
good news is, if.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
It works, Hunter Green pitches Game one against the Dodgers
in a best of three series.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
That's a pretty good place to start.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
If you use him in Game one sixty two, that
series is on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Game one sixty two
is on Sunday, it would mean that Hunter's not pitching
Game one, he ain't pitching Game two, and my guess
is they're not gonna use him on three days rest
in a possible Game three. And so on one hand,
if it works, you get Hunter Green game one. On

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the other, apologies to Andrew App who's had an awesome
year and was really good on Sunday. Hunter Green's their
best pitcher. You gotta get there. You gotta get to
the postseason. So my question is, are you good with
the plan the Reds are going with vote now at Moegar, Yes,
no question. You're good with Hunter pitching tomorrow and not

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pitching in Game one sixty two, which may not matter.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It may matter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
And by the way, what has to be a part
of the discussion is Brady Singer has been pretty damn
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Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
The Reds made the postseason in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
And they played some big games at GABP which was
empty that September, and made the postseason in the condensed year,
and we obviously know they lost in two games to
the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
I will be I'll be honest with you, because I
always am.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
The further we're removed from the twenty twenty season, the
less serious I take it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Like in real time. You know, that was the pandemic year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
We all wanted baseball, we all, you know, we wanted
the rights to do well. If they're gonna play, you
want them to do well, if they're gonna keep score,
if they're gonna hand out a trophy. But even in
real time, yet kind of new. This isn't a real season.
And look, the Dodgers won the World Series that year.
They should not apologize for that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
But it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
In my mind that seasons and everything that happened during
it is gonna have an asterix. But okay, they played
some big games at GABP that September, even if GABP
was empty. Let's push that season aside for just a second.
These next three games are the biggest games the Great
American Ballpark has hosted since the last few games of

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the twenty thirteen season. Let's be honest, most years, the
Reds are not even close to the playoffs. They're playing
out the string in September now. They have been in
contention twenty twenty three. You know, they they were eliminated
in the one hundred and sixty first game of the year,
but they weren't in the driver's seat like they are

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right now. A driver's scene doesn't mean they're going to
go to the postseason, but you know, simple math, if
they win each of their next six games, they're a
playoff team, so they're in the driver's seat. That may
change tonight. Twenty twenty one. They were kind of in
it this time of year, but not really like these
are the biggest games that Great American Ballpark has hosted

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since twenty thirteen, and I do believe I don't know
what the attendance is going to be for the games. Obviously,
the Reds are doing what they can to pack the park,
and I've seen folks on social media laugh at them
for this. Look man number one, it's this is no
indictment on Reds fins. The reality is because the Reds
have simply not been very good for much of this century,

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that people have gotten out of the habit of going
to baseball games in September and kind of shoving it
aside in lieu of all sorts of other activities, whether
they be the Bengals, college football, school activities, whatever it is.
And so you have to take extreme measures to get
people to get out of their habits. People's habits in
Cincinnati for a long time has been kind of post

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Labor Day stop going to baseball games.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
I used to I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Used to years ago say this is like twenty ten,
twenty twelve. I remember having a conversation in twenty ten
with a Reds employee and this was the night that
Jay Bruce hit the home run against Tim Burdak and
the Astros. Decent crowd that night, thirty one thousand people,
but I remember saying, like, why don't you just cut
your ticket prices and have for these games? And the

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response was, well, what do you say to the person
who paid full price for the ticket. Nothing like you
ever flown on an airplane before everybody paid a different
price for their ticket. You ever look at all the
cars on the highway see one that looks like yours?
Chances are the person driving that card paid a different
price for it, like dynamic pricing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
So I'm glad that they've moved on from that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
And tonight tomorrow, Thursday afternoon, try to pack the place.
I don't know if it's gonna work. Three dollars beers,
two dollars hot dogs. I am anticipating a fun atmosphere tonight.
I'm going down to the ballpark this evening. I am
anticipating a fun atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
We will see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
But these are the biggest games they have played. I
also think this is the most amount of pressure the
Reds have faced. Let's be honest, now, now six games
to go. If this team doesn't get to the playoffs,
it is going to be impossible to view this season
as a success. And so there's something riding on that

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we'll see. I also think it's immensely fun to think
about what could happen if the Reds get there. And
you know, we've talked about this all season long. Number One,
if they got to October, you would give them a
puncher's chance because the starting pitching is that good. Then
you add to it bullets you could use like Nick Martinez,

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like Chase Burns, like Zach Lttel in a short series.
It to me makes the Reds a fascinating team if
they got to October. It would also be unsurprising if
they didn't get to October, because you have no idea
if they're gonna hit. And so you know, they've played
one hundred and fifty six games, and yet we're asking

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about tonight and tomorrow and Thursday and this weekend in
Milwaukee the same question we've been asking all season long.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Will they hit enough? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Recently, Spencer stee has caught fire. Elie de la Cruz
hit a home run the other night and everybody behaved
the way I did when I actually hit a BA
all over the fence when I was twelve years old,
like wow, that's not something we expected.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Good for you. Can somebody this week get hot now? Tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
The answer is not going to be Sal Stewart because
he's not in the starting lineup. Can somebody this week
get hot enough to carry the Reds to the postseason,
and can the starting pitching be as good as it
has been, not just over the course of the last
few weeks, but as it has been all season long.
Regardless these next three nights at GABP. I know Thursday's

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a day game and weather could be a factor, But
these next three nights at Great American Ballpark, these are
the biggest games they have played in that park since
twenty thirteen. These are the games you hired Terry Francona
to manage. These are the games that we talked about
the Reds playing in when the season began.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
We'll see, We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
No outcome with this team will surprise me, because you're
asking a lot of a team that coming into this
last stretch where they've won five straight games, had it
won more than five consecutive games. Can they stay hot
and end the season not with he wins like they
have against Saint Louis and Chicago, but something like I

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don't know, nine out of eleven, because I do feel
like if they go four and two, they're gonna be okay.
I think it's vital to put some pressure on the
Mets Tonight. The Reds play before the Cubs game gets underway.
The Cubs are hosting New York. I think there would
be nothing more fun than to post a victory tonight
and make the Mets play, knowing if they lose, they're
essentially two back with five to go, and SAE for Arizona,

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Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Do you get hazard payd for that?

Speaker 11 (01:25:17):
No, you know that's gonna be a conversation between me
and the producer here is what is gonna have to
go on. But I will say it's always a great
day to talk about the division leading since Thaddy Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Ooh, I love how you frame that. The Division leading Bengals.
That's right in first place. Boy doesn't exactly feel like that.
They had a lot of fluky stuff happened in that
game that sort of defies, you know, whatever schemes Zach
Taylor wants to come up with. But the continued inability
to run the football is amplified when you don't have

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Joe Burrow. So you've watched this team critically for a while,
why are they so inept? For lack of a better
way of putting it, when it comes to.

Speaker 11 (01:25:57):
The run game, it's tough, you know, the run game overall,
for things to work, you have to have every single
person really on the exact same page, where if you
just miss one block, it's gonna be a defender right
in the running backs lap.

Speaker 9 (01:26:11):
So we all know how.

Speaker 11 (01:26:12):
Much of a big Chase Brown fan I am, but
you look at his like yards before contact or all
these situations that are a little bit out of his hands.
It just feels like there's always something going on on
the interier of the offensive line, on the exterior the
offensive line where guys you just able to run through
or just able to win one on ones, And look
across the league, it is hard to run block. I'm

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not going to pretend like this is some easy thing,
but like that being such a clear issue, is you're
able to kind of cover that well, like you said,
when you have Joe Burrow, when you're just throwing all over.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
Defenses back and forth. But it does feel like, all right.

Speaker 11 (01:26:47):
There is just such an issue from a I mean,
it's even hard to look at it at a structural
level sometimes just because like all these guys are getting
beat or someone's always getting beat straight up one on
one and you just can't do it thing about it.

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
When there's a defender hitting and running back two yards
in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
This might be a really stupid question.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
So the Bengals have offensive linemen who are known as
being better pass blockers and not great run blockers. Are
the majority of NFL offensive linemen starting offensive linemen good
at one and not the other?

Speaker 9 (01:27:22):
I think that's a good question.

Speaker 11 (01:27:23):
You know, obviously you'd like to have someone that is
just good at both. And I spent a lot of
time watching the Eagles where they have a bunch of
guys that they're happy kind of in boat spot. I
think a lot of it actually goes down to the
college game, where a lot of these teams are fully
spread out, and you know you're passing more like you're
running eighty plays a game.

Speaker 7 (01:27:39):
So a lot of these are kind of these quick
RPO type throws.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
And it's hard in the NFL when it is really
really a big man sport on the inside, when going
up against some of these defensive tackles who are not
just you know, first year players, right, these guys are
are veterans. Although I mean some of the Vikings guys
like it felt like that it didn't matter who they
put in there. So from an offensive lineman perspective, obviously
it's going to change player to player, and I think

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if you were to choose one, you would probably choose
the preference of being a better path blocker overall. But
you know, at a small level, it no at a
small sorry, at a small level, it feels like you
got to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Be able to do one the other.

Speaker 11 (01:28:16):
And then if you can do the only path blocking
side and you have a quarterback who is not there anymore,
in Joe Burrow like, well now I'm just talking myself
in the circles, trying to find ways to be optimistic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
About the Welcome to my world, Sean Sean Saya at
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in your inbox multiple times per week. So I think, here,
what a lot of folks have said, certainly in the
aftermath of Sunday, but this has been a lament for
a while. Okay, fine, the personnel is what it is

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that they don't have great run blocking offensive lineman, but
the offensive coaching staff has to come up with a
more creative way to use the running game. If that's
the case, and I think you would probably agree that
it is what do you do? What what can they
do creatively that can get more out of a part
of the team that is right now not very good.

Speaker 11 (01:29:09):
Yeah, I mean, I see that's a little bit of
a tough one because I'm thinking about it, and I'm
thinking about they did run, you know, multiple different run
plays where you're getting motion here and there, you're pulling
offensive linemen in different situations. I think back at you
to the Vikings their first year with Kevin O'Connell, Like
they're just running one type of run over and over
and over.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
They're not able to be successful in it. It causes
them a problem.

Speaker 11 (01:29:30):
So I feel like maybe I'm being two forgetting here.
I feel like there's enough of like a variation in
the run game. It does, unfortunately feel like it kind
of falls to the players, and that can't be the excuse, right,
I can say that after watching the film, But then
what do you get to?

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
So do you now only run.

Speaker 11 (01:29:47):
Into super advantageous looks where maybe you can try and
spread the defense out and you're getting into those kind
of RPOs where it's like, hey, I'm only handing this
ball off if there are six guys in the box,
and I feel really really comfortable about everything in that way.
So maybe that you have to really lean into heavy,
heavy personnel where let's get all of the big bodies
on this field, and look, if you're gonna beat us

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on the inside, you're not gonna be able to beat
us with your cornerbacks on our tight ends over and over.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
So I do think there's some things you can go to.

Speaker 11 (01:30:14):
And then on the other kind of extreme of it
is you can use the play action pass to set
up the run game too. So if you're successful in
the play action pass game, obviously, in a game like
against the Vikings, when you're down by like thirty points
before everyone even like wakes up to watch the game.

Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
Really, that is a tough situation to be in.

Speaker 11 (01:30:30):
But if you're in that more neutral game script where
it's you know, hey, we're only down by seven, you
stick to respect the play action pass the pass game,
can you know, hopefully open some things up for the
run game as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
I would stop well short of saying that Al Golden's
defense has been good, but they passed the test. In
the Browns game. You and I discussed it. They were
opportunistic against Jacksonville. I gotta be honest with you. I've
barely talked about the defense in the aftermath of Sunday
because that was about turnovers and the run game and
all the things that went wrong offensively. Give me a

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thirty thousand foot assessment of what you've seen on tape
from the Bengals defensively over three games.

Speaker 11 (01:31:10):
Yeah, but it feels like a little bit of an
incomplete just thinking about who they've played so far and
kind of how things have gone. Obviously, the Browns the
Jaguars game was I think a little tough just overall,
just seeing how the Jaguars were really able to kind
of carve them up in different situations, and I kind
of hesitate to say this.

Speaker 9 (01:31:27):
But like Carson Wentz look decent. So does that just.

Speaker 7 (01:31:30):
Mean like, oh, the Bengals were kind of the culprit there.

Speaker 11 (01:31:32):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, because you can look
at some players up front and I think get a
little bit encouraged.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
On the film.

Speaker 11 (01:31:38):
So I unfortunately I'm not ready to wave my mind
and give give a grade on this one yet.

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
But next week against the Broncos, that's gonna.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
Be an interesting one because that is you're going up
against a quarterback I think in a situation where I mean,
Bonext to me is not fully playing on time. He's not,
you know, anticipating things super super well. So I think
you can actually get into a situation where, in like
mandatory type situations, maybe we started to highlight some of
these begals defensive backs where you know, we get a
nice play here, we get a nice play there, But it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
Might not just be every single time down the field.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
I think there's a lot of us who thought that
the Denver Broncos might have the best defense in the NFL,
and maybe by the end of the season they do.
That has not so much been the case through three games.
What challenges do they present that are unique for the
Bengals on Monday Night.

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
I mean their front is awesome on defense.

Speaker 11 (01:32:27):
Now, unfortunately for people that wanted that said, oh, you know,
Vikings are done, we don't have to worry.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
About crazy patrush. The Broncos front four can just like
totally ruin a game. And I mean they did.

Speaker 11 (01:32:36):
Broncos just played the Chargers justin Herbert with under pressure
like the entire entire game. So I would expect a
heck of a lot of pressure again, unfortunately for everyone involved.
Hopefully we get some nice battles on the outside of
if I remember correctly right, they played the Yeah they
did play last year where the Bengals were able to
kind of take advantage of the cornerback away from Patrick's

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certain kind of over and over again. So Jake Browning,
catch the ball, throw it up there, let's see what happens.
Van Joseph isn't having a blitz as much for the
Broncos defense. But yeah, that defensive line versus offensive line
mismatch is something that I think we're unfortunately going to
be seeing in this one.

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Awesome stuff as always, Man, love having you on. We'll talk.
We'll talk next week.

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Fourth round draft choice from Auburn in two thousand and one,
still among the franchise's all time leaders in a number
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Everyone liked him and saw him as a dear friend.
We are deeply saddened by his passing. Meanwhile, the Reds
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New York is tied with the Reds, with the Reds
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Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Their best pitcher.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Now what's fun about it is, you know you can
make an argument for Andrew Abbott if this works and
a Hunter Green pitches Game one against the Dodgers, awesome,
But can you imagine getting through Game one sixty two?

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
You lose Game one sixty two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Starting pitching as a major reason why, and you could
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We'll see vote now at Muwaker. At the same time,
Brady Singer's on the team for a reason. He's been
really good recently. I have faith in him. We'll see
how tonight's performance makes any of us feel about that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Let's see here. We got a few minutes Mike.

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Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
Hie, Mom, thanks so much, appreciate you, bro can I
we got the Kim Belcher lookalike Brady Singer. Look at
their pictures, looked exactly like this thing, and his pitching
delivery is almost exactly And didn't you. I used to
love tem Belcher, loved the He.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Was very ulture good picture.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
He was a damn good picture.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I won a World Series with the Dodgers in nineteen
eighty eight, had some good seasons with the Rets.

Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I like ten Belgium.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
Yeah, said Brady's hand look alike, Gay Cincinnati fans, If
Michael Me could get out of this damn hospital bed,
I'd be in the top row wherever I could get
a seat, standing room only. If you people do not
come out for this game, shame on you. You don't
deserve nothing. That's all I got to say. Get off

(01:38:48):
your debt butts and get down to the ballpark. Three
dollars beer, two dollars hotels, get down to the damn ballpark.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Not shy about telling people what to do with their
money in free time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
I'll put it to you this way. I'll put it
to you this way. I don't love telling people what
to do with their money. I don't. I will tell
you as a Reds fan and as a baseball fan,
I think it would be awesome if the park were full.
If it doesn't, I won't enjoy it any less. But
I think it would be awesome if a game and
a series of this magnitude felt like a series in

(01:39:25):
game of this magnitude, And the one of the best
ways for that to happen is to have a lot
of folks there. If they don't pack it, you know, okay,
but I stopped shy of telling people what to do
with their time and their money unless I'm paid to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Yeah, well I give it. I get that all. And
may you know it's kind of tongue in cheek a
little bit, but.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
But like it would be, it would be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
It would be awesome if they had thirty five k
tonight and tomorrow and Thursday like that would be those
Those games against the Cubs were fun because of the
makeup of the crowd, but a lot of those people
were Cubs fans. I think it would be fun whether
you're there or watching or listening, A big time sporting
event feels big time because of in many respects the crowd. Uh,

(01:40:11):
And so I would like for the feel of tonight's
game to not feel like your typical September reds Pirates
game that we're all unfortunately so used to.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
And it means a lot to the players, no matter
what they say, I know it means a lot to
the players. They're young guys, they're emotional, and I know
a big house gives them extra motivation. You I don't
even question that. So come on, guys, you can get
if you can get there, get there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
I'd get there.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
If I could get motive, come and pick me up
and put me in a wheelchair, I'd be down there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
You know, you got to give me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
You got to give me a little little more notice, Mic,
in order to make that happen. I'll say this that
the Reds they've tried. I think if if you're having
a hard time selling tickets and you really want people
to come, you've you've got to do something. You've got
to adjust prices, You've got to come up with I
don't know how many people are going to respond to
the eight dollars tickets. I don't know how many people

(01:41:06):
are going to respond to three two one across all
three games. I don't know, but there have been times
where the Reds and other pro sports teams have just said, look,
nobody's buying the tickets, but we're not going to do
anything price wise. We're not going to do anything to
adjust what a cost to get in. They are doing.
Look that they're not putting their scout seats on discount, right,
you're not getting those for eight bucks. But I do

(01:41:29):
give them credit. And you know, you could beat up
on the Reds for a lot of different things in
the past. This has been something they've been unwilling to do.
They're willing to do it. I certainly hope people take advantage.

Speaker 5 (01:41:42):
And regarding your pitching rotation a poll question, I'm going
with Terry. I'm just going whatever Terry decides is what
I'm going with. Period paragraph. I see, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Mean ahead, Yeah, I think it's Mike, Thank you very much.
I can understand because they asked Hunter to come out
to pitch the ninth inning in a game that felt
like they had to win on Thursday, you're a little
bit more hesitant to do it. I can understand going, Hey,
look we've got Brady Singer. We're cool with him. Pitching
Game one sixty two. We acquired him to pitch in big,
high leverage games. I got a better idea, how about

(01:42:16):
just get it done before Game one sixty two. Like
there is a world where they wrap it up on Thursday,
there's also a world where they maybe don't get eliminated
by Thursday, but realistically do we will see. My basic
take is I think over the next three days, the
hope and the goal is to go to Milwaukee in

(01:42:37):
a position where you're effectively, excuse me, effectively two up
on New York because I don't think the Brewers are
going to sit there, guys, and we know that the
trouble the Reds have had with them. Plus they're going
to be celebrating the Wisconsin Whitewater Division III National Championship
Baseball team, which is just going to add a level
of excitement in Milwaukee this week. They've got a guy

(01:42:58):
by the name of Adam kooh Way batted like five
seventy in the D three World Series. Reds could use him.
So you don't want to. You don't want to walk
into that Lions down up there in Milwaukee. So take
care of business against the Pirates. We want to thank
the staff here at Oakley Greens for hosting us yet again.
V go two plays for any Bengals road game the

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they do it here at Oakley Greens. We're back here
next Wednesday. Thanks to Drew Wester Heidi for producing on
site Aaron Beck and Kenwood who I owe wings to.
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