9/24/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, here we are at Twin Peaks in Westchester. It's
a Tuesday afternoon edition of The Tony and Mo Football Show,
the day after the Bengals fell to zero to three
Moeger with Tony Pike. We're at Twin Peaks here in
Westchester today and on Monday, and then back in Florence
after the Bengals played the Baltimore Ravens. If you haven't

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been here, you gotta get here. It's a great place
to post up, great place to watch tonight battle for
the Ohio Cup Reds and Tribe Rights, and Jabo is
back with the Reds. So if you're thinking I need
to go out to watch the Reds and Guardians compete
for the Ohio Cup the start of the Freddy Benavits era,
you gotta get here to Twin Peaks. Very easy to

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get to right off I seventy five. Now, I don't
know if the gentleman. I got off at the exit
of like ten minutes after to today, and there was
a guy who had just gotten off the exit and
he was surrounded by three cop cars. Oh, I don't
know if he was on his way to join us.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Then he turned right on Red.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Have But anyway, we're very easy to get to, like
sixty seconds off I seventy five, the Union Center Boulevard exit.
Great food. Tony just had the meatball skillet.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, I said last week I was gonna change it up,
and then I panicked because I wanted to get a
meal in I understand. Actually I came from the Kenwood studio. Yeah,
took two seventy five. No no, no, no, you took
the I heard meter in this weather. Uh to seventy
five I can. I can confirm when you get from
two seventy five to seventy five north four minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, it's quick, it's all it takes. Yeah, it's quick.
So come on out, hang out with us, Come celebrate
the Bearcats, Come celebrate.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
How about the bear Cats? The Cats thirty four zip
over the Houston canifted us an eight pm starting lobbick.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, can't wait for that. You know, I was thinking
on the way here, and I don't know if anybody
with the radio station or anybody with iHeartMedia is planning anything.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is the tenth.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Year of the Tonian most really Yeah, Holy Cat started
in twenty fifteen, so ten seasons of the Tony and
Mo Football Show. We've been together on a lot of Mondays,
handful of Tuesdays, through some good through some bad. Ten years.
I have never seen you come prepared with as many
notes as you have for today's show based on that

(02:50):
game last night.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
You got me started in this because before I did
anything with Sincy three to sixty, I would just come
in on Mondays. Yeah, and then it blossomed into an
hour on since he three sixty went to two. Now
it's three. But yes, this is a new leader in
the clubhouse. A new leader in the clubhouse for the
amount of notes I have taken leading into a tonyan

(03:12):
Mo show, and with this many notes, I tweeted it
out last night. I think it comes on the heels
of what I call the worst loss of the Zach
Taylor earroh. I would agree with that, and that's why
I have this many notes today. It was an absolute
failure in so many accounts last night. And one of
the things I enjoy about the Tony and Mo show

(03:34):
not that I don't talk to you all day, but
it's that we don't talk all day specifically for this reason. Yeah,
because this show can can go anywhere. I just know that.
I know that from an energy standpoint, and I know
that when there's more emotion involved than there was certainly
a motion last night watching that game and sleeping on it,
and I haven't really felt better much about today. I

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know that brings some excitement. So I made the statement
last night, if you've been one what this show's all about, her,
you want to come see it in person. Today would
probably be a good opportunity to do that.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Remarkably historic loss teams with four more touchdowns, no punts
and no turnovers in the game twenty six and oh
in the Super Bowl era coming into last night now
twenty six and one. Thanks to NFL Plus for the
stet historic defensive performance, historic game.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Can we start though that over these next three hours,
unlike some out there in the media, we're not gonna
blame last night's loss on Joe Burrow or the offense.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
How do thank you who's blaming Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Chris Canty, Shannon Sharp both today blamed Joe Burrow for
last night's loss because they had to kick some field
goals instead of touchdowns in the resident. And yet, as
you said, no punts, he threw for three twenty four
three touchdowns and oh, by the way, they ran the
ball for six point two yards per carry. Jamar Chase

(04:56):
was more involved. Te Higgins got his feet wet. Andre
Yoshi Vosh had another touchdown, and a conversation point from some,
including some callers today of since he three to sixty,
is that Joe Burrow needs to be better. That's not
going to be in this three hours.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
No, thank you the Bengals performance last night. The season
is obviously still young. That was the best offensive performance
of the season, and in terms of EPA and success rate, Yeah,
like could were they perfect?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Would you like a touchdown on every drive? Of course,
the Bengals lost that game because their offense, literally, their
defense literally gave up a score every time they took
the field. It was the first time Zach Taylor is
in this sixth season, and some of those seasons have
been really good. Some of them have been so so
the first two were not good. Last night was the

(05:46):
first time that it felt like the last two years
of the Marvin Lewis era. There was a helplessness to it.
Every time Washington got the football, I expected them to score.
It wasn't that Washington won that bothers me. It wasn't
that Washington scored every time they touched the football. That
bothers me. Those things, although those things aren't great, it

(06:06):
was the ease with which they hit Yeah, going into
their last drive of the third quarter. Jay Morrison had
this stat on his podcast with Paul Danner Junior. Going
into the last drive of the third quarter, the Commanders
had more touchdowns than offensive third downs. They didn't face
a third down beyond the yard until the fourth quarter.
It was the ease with which they did it. Cam

(06:27):
Taylor britt last week and we'll talk about him, said
it's a college offense. I don't think he was wrong.
I don't think he was wrong. They weren't reinventing the wheel.
The Bengals just couldn't stop it.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, last night was a failure on I thought three
different counts, coaching, defense and special teams. It was one
of the first times it felt like when I was
watching it that Washington was quarterback by Tom Brady because
I'm thinking, well, the Bengals could score and even take
the lead, but I'd be nervous about them getting the
ball back with time because it was made to look
that easy. And again I start defense was abysmal. It

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was the tone that was never set in the game.
Think of this way. The Bengals did everything you wanted
to see. On the first drive of the game. They
ran the rock, they went under center, they found Jamar Chase,
and then they used play action and a one high
safety look where the safety couldn't double Jamar because Higgins
on the other side, and they go right down the
field and score at home. You get the crowd into

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the game. Ye, your backs are against the wall. You're
zero and two, and we just sat back on Sunday
and watched countless oh to two teams play with a
sense of urgency with their backs against the wall, and
the Bengals had the chance after the first drive of
the game. Think of it this way. If they come
out and get a three and out or even just
force Washington to punt and the offense does that again,

(07:46):
the game's over. Yep, it's absolutely over. Now. You kind
of forced the hand of a rookie quarterback instead. The
defense never made Jayden Daniels uneasy. Nope, they blew it's
eleven times in fifty seven plays. And one might say, okay,
you don't need the blitz if you're applying pressure. Their
past rush win rate was nine point seven percent last night,

(08:11):
So those two things don't add up for me. My
biggest key to victory yesterday went on first and second down,
four third and lungs. They didn't win on first and
second down. No, you just mentioned the third down stat Uh.
It was a complete failure on all accounts. Defensively, I
thought I thought the defense looked slow. The defense to
me looked like UC's against Pitt. Yeah, they looked slow.

(08:31):
They looked out of place. They looked unsure if things,
and they couldn't tackle in space. And for the first time,
I'm thinking defense kind of looks old.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
It was the first time that I thought, like at safety, boy,
the Bengals looked slow. Yeah, von Bell and Ginostone.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Ginostone made one play that was on a play where
it kind of felt like he saved a big game
because he tackled a guy, you know, after he gained
seven yards. But I felt like it's safety and linebacker
in particular. The Bengals look slow. I expect him with
what the are not upfront, especially on the inside, it's
not surprising to me to see him, to see him
get beat up.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I can.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I can live with that. But you're right. At the
game last night, I turned to the people that I
was with and I said, this looks like a defense
that's a step slow. That's a problem because that's probably
not gonna change.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I worry about Sam Hubbard. I worry about Joseph Osai
because you know Hubbard, it was well, he was injured
last year and now he's healthy, father times undefeated. We
know that Joseph Osai. We've waited, you know, since he
sacked Tom Brady in a preseason game. That's not gonna happen.
You know the coverage grades last night. Dox Hill forty

(09:40):
one point three, Geno Stone forty one point nine, Von
Bell thirty nine point nine. Oh, by the way, there's
a guy in Jordan Battle that was supposed to be
in competition. He's played one snap in three games. Defensively,
DJ Turner played zero snaps. I don't know if it's
not working with what's out there. And last year Genostone
was in the bottom or outside of the top one
hundred as a run defender. Safety Jordan Battle was twelfth

(10:03):
in football. So there are things that aren't working with
what's on the field. I don't know if the answers
are off the field. It puts a heck of a
lot of pressure on Miles Murphy to get healthy, because
if he's not the guy, we're in a completely different
conversation and something that you and I can dive into later.
It puts more of an emphasis on who this team
has decided to let walk, who this team has re signed,

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and the players they've drafted on the defensive side of
the ball. Those three misses and those three categories are
now adding up to what is extremely problematic for the future.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I want to talk about that, and I also want
to reflect upon your experience playing for a team that
was great offensively and wasn't very good defensively, and the
pressure that puts on an offense and what that can
do for a team. The Bengals pride themselves on culture.
I know it was interesting reading about Joe Burrow having
to go talk to Zach Taylor immediately after the game
last night, right after he played a fine game. His

(10:56):
offense played a fine game, but the defense was nowhere
to be seen. When we come back, though, I want
you to step into Luanna Rumo's shoes, both last night
and looking ahead. We'll do that when we come back.
Seventeen after three o'clock. It's a rainy, gloomy Tuesday afternoon
in Westchester.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
The weather kind of fits the move. Boy, our lawns
needed this.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I don't know, man, I live in the West Side.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
We got chemicals being spilled now they're probably getting in
the air and.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Houses being evacuated, so I don't know if we're getting
rain out there or not. I badly How long does
it take to get here from the West side twenty
two minutes. If you need to get out of your house, Yeah,
shelter somewhere. We're here at Twin Peaks till six o'clock.
My grass is the color of this table, so I
I could use the rain.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's eighteen after three here at Twin Peaks till six o'clock.
He's Tony Pike on moleg or Tony and Mo Football
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Speaker 1 (12:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
The day after the Bengals lose to the Washington Commanders
to fall to oh and three oh and three, I
I would have lost a lot of money wagering against
the Bengals starting going three loss.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
To New England and Washington in that oh and three stretch.
And I think you tweeted that, you know you you
you continue to tow the line at oh and two,
eventually you're gonna go to oh and three.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean that was my thing after the Kansas
City game. Okay, they're always oh and two, They're fine,
keep walking close to the fire. You're gonna get burned.
The more you go oh and two, the greater the
possibility of being oh and three. And now here they are.
They have lost twice at home in the first three
weeks as more than a touchdown favorite.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Incredible, unheard of. It's incredible and far more questions now
than we ever imagined going into game four, which again
a week ago, you're like, all right, Washington, Carolina check
and Dalton was phenomenal and the Baltimore Ravens now. I
mean we talked, we talked last week that Baltimore oh

(13:03):
and two, they got Dallas, Buffalo and Cincinnati, they could
be oh and five. Yeah, Buffalo took care of Baltimore,
took care of business and went into Dallas and won.
The Bengals did not take care of business at home
as a touchdown plus favorite on Monday night football.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So lou Ana Roumo's defense was atrocious. Put yourself in
his shoes last night. What could he have done differently
or better?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
More run blitzes, more pressure on Jayden Daniels. I thought
at one point they they when Washington had to settle
for a field goal, they actually brought a zone pressure
on third down and he threw it halpasually down the
field atlanted about eight yards out of bounds to Terry McLaurin.
It was his worst thow of the night, I thought,
and it came with pressure. My thought going into the

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game was the only way that Washington stays in the
game is if they control the line of scrimmage and
dictate winning each down. So first and ten to second
and six second, six to third, two things like that.
They never got off schedule. They were always in third
and manageable. It always gave Jayden and Daniels a run
pass option. They failed to contain at all on the edges.

(14:11):
I guess the defense looks slow. I would have tried
to drum up some type of pressure to win on
those early downs, to give yourself more third and longs
to get off the field. Jaydean Daniels was fifteen to
fifteen last night versus no pressure. Now, he completed ninety
one percent of his passes, so he was good regardless.
But he didn't throw an incompletion last night when he

(14:33):
wasn't brought blitzed. So you know, at least try to
make it uneasy on him, especially knowing that you're short handed.
Up front and you're not gonna be able to get
home with four. You've seen already and we talked about
it this year. Outside of Trey Hendrickson, this is not
a good group. I don't know if you saw the
stat come out on Sam Hubbard, the average distance that

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Sam Hubbard was away from Jayden Daniels on each drop
back was six point two yards.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I I can't even put into perspective how bad that is.
That ranked one twenty seven out of one hundred and
twenty eight eligible defensive lineman to be ranked, and to
put it even further perspective, Jaydon Daniels had three point
one to three seconds on.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Average to throw its quarterback stream.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Like if you're like thousand and one, yeah, thousand and
two thousand three, that's how long he got every time
he dropped back. Uh huh, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
It was funny because I said I was doing keys
to the game yesterday and I said keep him in
the pocket.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
He did. Yeah, Like it was.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
It was.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Outside of the from the fourth down on against Kansas
City to the game plan yesterday, I'm confused. Why why
are you not pressuring a rookie quarterback making his third
start knowing that he was completing seventy five percent of
his passes coming in, but they were all short. Make

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him get into third and long. And then the time
that Louis Rumo decided to bring cover zero was on
a third and seven. Whether theyre already in field goal range. Yeah,
And the one thing you couldn't do was get beat
over the top. That's when he brought cover zero. It
just it's backwards to me. But by this point, no
contain terrible tackling. They they didn't give the offense an

(16:22):
opportunity to put the game away. That was my biggest
problem with what they did. The tackling is awful. We
mentioned that they look slow, but I thought that the
biggest mishap was not applying pressures on those early downs
to force a couple second and tens, force a couple
third and lungs.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean the drive at the end where they
effectively clinch it on the third and seven pass. There
was a fourth and fourth and four play there where
he completes the pass to zach Ertz. It cannot be
that easy. No one around, and that may not be
that easy.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
There was also a third down on that drive where
they actually bracketed arts Genostone and Von Bell and he
got like eight yards of cushion and caught an easy pass,
got the ball there.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Think Jaydon Daniels made two unbelievable throws last night. On
the throws, those were unbelievable. Outside of that, Yeah, sixty
quarterbacks in the NFL are making the throws he was
able to make last week. So you did nothing to
make a quarterback uneasy. I said last week, I would
as a quarterback rather a three man rush on fourth
and long. As a quarterback rush four all day. I'm

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happy because I blitz pick up for a rookie quarterback.
Protections is the hardest thing that is. That is the
biggest hurdle for any ask pole rookie quarterbacks. Formations and
blitz pick up with protections is the hardest thing to
overcome in the NFL. And last night, eleven snaps out
of fifty seven, they brought pressure. That means the rest

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of the snaps with a nine point seven percent pass
rush win rate, they brought four guys and four guys
uys outside of well, outside of Tree Hendrickson that aren't
gonna get home anywhere. That to me is a travesty
that to me, raises the question on Osai on Hubbard,
you better hope Miles Murphy's the guy, raises the question
on how they've drafted, Sure as hell, raised the questions

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on some of the players they've decided to re sign
versus the players they've decided to let walk.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, which we're gonna get to specifically in the four
o'clock hour. I'm want to focus on what Lou does now.
When we come back, it's twenty nine away from four o'clock.
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(19:05):
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Speaker 3 (19:32):
You can think hero of this city didn't know you did?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
That's right tonight at eight Fox Sports thirteen to sixty.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Can I follow up on that real quick? Sure? The
Trent Brown thing? A lot of people thought Mims would
eventually be the guy that was Mims to be the
guy knowing that you had depth with Trent Brown as
that swing tackle. Yeah, now depth is a question on
the offensive line. And allow me to tip my cap
to the local baseball organization, the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
For a day.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
For a day, we cropped on them. Now they look
like geniuses because I could care less Who's managing. They
care less about the David Bell thing because we have
bigger problems with the Cincinnati Bengals. I tip my cap
to you.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Rets that's why they buried it where they did.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yep, they knew.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Because they knew either. Look, you bury it at ten
o'clock on Sunday, you're gonna take about a twelve hour Yeah,
and they did a twelve hour amount of heat.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Now I could care less.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
And then if the Bengals win, City moves on. Bengals lose,
they're gonna take the bullets. Yep, there they are. They
know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Now they go win the Ohio Cup and they're the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
And the run differential I think is plus fourteen, Oh
my goodness.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
So all they.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Gotta do is just not get out scored by more
than thirteen runs these last five games. Positive run differential.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Good to go, man, can you imagine they? I mean, oh,
this city organizations stepping up when they're needed the most.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
So I asked you about some of the stuff lou
an Ormo chose to do and not do last night.
Now moving forward, because the personnel is not gonna change,
you know, hopefully you get Sheldon Rankins back here soon.
You get BJ Hill back here soon. But we went
into the season thinking run defense is gonna be a problem.
It's been a huge problem in three games, so it's
probably not gonna change. Uh what do you do if

(21:18):
you're lou Ana Roumo.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Now moving forward, got to start giving guys opportunities, and
I know they're gonna get guys healthy. And we just
talked at the start of the show. I don't think
there's a more pivotal player that's gonna come back after
this week than Miles Murphy because if you have missed
on Miles Murphy home and he's not the guy you
are set back defensively for years. Yeah, So McKinley, Jackson,

(21:42):
Miles Murphy, Chris Jenkins I thought was solid and his debut.
You get Sean Rankins and BJ hillback, we hope at
some point soon. So addition, based off injury, and I
look at guys MO for the majority of training camp,
DJ Turner was in a heated battle and at points
of training camp he had the spot with Dax Hill.

(22:03):
Dax Hill looked terrible last night, look terrible in coverage,
looked terrible tackling. When does DJ Turner get another chance.
DJ Turner last night, I don't even think got a snap,
did not You got one snap? One snap in the
game last night. And Jordan Battle, who last year, recording

(22:24):
to Pro Football Focus, was the twelfth best run defense
safety in the league, has played one snap combined in
three games on defense. Right. I get that you brought
von Bell back because he's the mouthpiece, and well, it
doesn't matter if he gets guys to line up, if
he's slow or again, looks like father time is starting

(22:45):
to play a part. So I'm giving Turner more of
a chance. I'm giving Jordan Battle more of a chance.
I want players to show up and act like they
want to be there and fly around to the ball
and play fast. I don't care if that's you know,
Mouma Jong Meta, I don't care who it is. I
want guys to go out there and play fast balls

(23:05):
to the wall because it just didn't feel like it
was there last night. And that's my that's my biggest concern.
You were zero and two with a rookie quarterback coming
into your building knowing what you needed to do, and
you completely no showed. Now I'm worried about the leader
of Luanna Rumo to the defense. I'm worried about the
players are buying into what he's selling. I'm worried about

(23:27):
if the personnel is good enough at this point, because again,
it's Monday night football, it's your home and you've not
played up to par, and you've the threat of going
oh to three not good, and you pair that with
the special teams blunders, because I'm even thinking last night,
I'm like, halftime, Fearson misses a kick, come out, get

(23:49):
a stop, get the ball back, and let's just get
it right. And you give up a sixty two yard
return to Austin Eckler. Hell if they would have recovered
the on side kicking one to count because they were
off side exactly, So a special team this isn't helping,
which puts we'll talk about later, more pressure on an offense,
especially when the defense is getting stops. But I'm giving
other guys opportunities to show that they want to be
out there, and you don't have much long to figure

(24:11):
this out. Run defense has been a problem. It was
a problem entering the offseason. It's still a problem three
weeks into the season. And oh, by the way, they've
yet to play an AFC North team who all they
want to do is run the ball down your throat.
You got to figure out the best eleven personnel, and
you got to do it quickly, because essentially what we
fall back to is this is the preseason. You know,

(24:32):
they don't play in the preseason. So now three games
are in. Yeah, three preseason losses. Now the regular season starts.
I just got your guys.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I just don't know what the exception of Trey Hendrickson.
Who the player is that is supposed to keep the
other team's offensive coordinator up at night during the week. Yep,
I don't know who that's supposed to be. And Trey.
Nobody on defense played well last night, But we know
what Trey is. Last week against Kansas City, he played
one of his finest games. Okay, fine, but who else

(25:01):
is there that if you're another team's offensive coordinator, you
sit down on Monday afternoon for your game plan and go, Okay,
I gotta figure out how to keep that guy from
screwing up what we're trying to do. I don't think
there's anybody you could say that about it.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
And last night Trey Hendrickson was doubled pretty much exclusively,
right and you saw that Trey Henderson did not grade out.
But regardless of any of that, Trey Henderson is going
to see more double teams now going forward. I don't

(25:34):
know if I have an answer to that yet.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
They used to have Chiudoba Woozie and you went into
a week going, Okay, I gotta figure out a way
to keep this guy from stopping our number one wide receiver. Yep,
don't have him anymore. Used to have Jesse Bates. Okay,
I gotta figure out a way to keep this guy
from wrecking everything we're trying to do in the game.
A long time ago, they had vonteze Berfect. Say what
you want about him, but if you're another team's offense coordinator,

(26:00):
you go, you know what, this guy can ruin everything
we're trying to do, both passing and running the football.
They used to have Geno Atkins and Gino Akins might
be a Hall of Famer, but still you sat down
and said, I can't let this guy, as an interior
defensive lineman, get to my quarterback and screw up everything
we're trying to do. Carlos dun laugh. Yep, there's one

(26:21):
guy like that now. And you mentioned he was shut
down last night in Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
So, and it's easier to control a guy like that
on the D line than it is a corner or
a safety or a lineback.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
So I guess we could talk about lou Anarumo and
some of the decisions he made last night. I don't
know that any of that is gonna change soon. It
may look maybe Cam Taylor BRIT's a Pro Bowl caliber corner,
and maybe Dax Hill is a Pro Bowl caliber corner.
Maybe those things happen, but over the next couple of weeks,
I don't know how my if my assessment doesn't change

(26:52):
almost immediately, we're in two weeks to go, Boy, this
guy just ruined this other team's game plan or this
guy just was completely disrupted and throw off everything they're
trying to do.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
If that doesn't change, and the results aren't gonna change
all that much. To your point, the first game of
the year for the Steelers and Falcons, you know how
they do those pass charts and everyone freaks out about
him justin fields didn't attempt one throw over the middle
of the field, right, and people are like, why what
you completely shut off the middle of the field, And
Arthur Smith literally came out and said, we did not
want to give Jesse Bates a chance to wreck the game. Right,

(27:24):
They didn't throw one pass over the middle of the
field so that Jesse Bates couldn't have an impact in
the game. Jesse Bates intercepts the pass against Jalen Hurts
to end the game. The next week. You can't do
that to a safety. If Trey Hendrickson is wrecking games,
what do you say, we're gonna double him every snap? Well,
we're gonna send help to him every single snap. And

(27:46):
he still had a sack last night. But every snap
we take, he's gonna get attention until someone else shows
that they can beat us. And they don't have that
player right now.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Bengals just played Kansas City, and I know Chris Jones,
you could, you could double team, but you talked about it,
and I talked about it, all right, how do you
keep Chris Jones from screwing up what they're trying to do.
Chris Jones did that in the Super Bowl to the
forty nine ers last year. He did that to the
Bengals in the AC Championship Game two years ago. So, like,
I look at a lot of really good teams, and
I go, gay, Well, defensively, there arena they're gonna play

(28:14):
Pittsburgh later in the season. How many dudes they got that?
You go, all right, that guy can on in every
level of the defense. Yeah, that guy can screw up
everything we're trying to do. I don't think the Bengals
have any of those players, So I don't know that
the results are going to improve all that dramatically. No
matter what lou Anarumo does schematically.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
It it is. It's worrisome to not have the compliment
with a player like that.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
And again, I think a lot of people banked on
that being Sam Hubbard because he was hurt last year
and now he comes back healthy. Sure, I think a
lot of people banked on Okay Osi is gonna take
the next step, and they probably banked a little bit
on Miles Murphy, who's a former first round pick who
played better at the end of last year. But outside
of that, like von Bell at the back end, is
a good player and he gets guys lined up. Are

(29:01):
you worried about him if you're a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
But here's the thing. If the first thing you say
about him is boy, he gets guys lined up right,
that's a problem. The first thing I want to say is, boy,
he's an athletic freak. He's quick to the ball, he's
a hard you know that, he's awesome in coverage.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I would say, I would say Logan Wilson to a
point as a guy like that, Yeah, well you guys, okay,
we need to know. But right now I was like.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Logan Wilson a game wrecker right now?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
You know, but I'm not concerned, Like are you concerned
going in like that side of the field's done because
that's Cam Taylor Britt. No, you don't have that. No,
and surely that's not Dax's hill. So they're they're game
wrecker and it's easier said than done because TJ, Watt
and Miles great to have been seeing double teams for,
but they also compliment those guys on the other side,

(29:45):
Yea and the Bengals. It feels like just relied on
guys either getting healthy or taking a big step forward,
and eventually you can't build that way. You know, it's
essentially the Reds method.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, but the question is what if they don't take
a step forward?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Correct, Like you're in a situation like this.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
You have to entertain that possibility. Unfortunately, what if or
what if they take a step forward? But by the
time they do, the season is already sort of unraveled.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Right, what if?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
What if they take a major step forward in December? Awesome?
They're sitting there at three and eight when it happens
like we bang onlu Anaruma all you want, and that's fine,
and you could you could pat me on the head
and tell me how good some of these younger players
are going to be.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
How's that going to help him this week?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
How's it gonna help him over the next three games
when you're just trying to get back to five hundred.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yep, it gets fair. Question is it's maddening at this point.
And again I was trying to find the great I
can't pull it up right. But he didn't grade out
grade last night. And he didn't great out grade because
he got double teamed every single snap. That's going to
happen from every team now, yes, and that is a
concern because you don't have a you don't have a
complimentary piece.

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Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well. I was looking for the stat as we were
winding down our number one because we were talking about
Trey Hendrickson and it is a little bit easier to
isolate and not isolate but game plan around a pass
rush wrecker, right, because teams what they've done now is
they've they've created complimentary pieces that don't allow you to

(33:46):
double team because if you can beat a one on
one as an edge rusher, you got a chance to
make some money. And other teams that have the Miles
Garretts and the TJ Watts of the world have done that,
and the Bengals maybe they thought they had that in
Osai and Hubbard and hopefully Miles Murphy. But yesterday last
night Corner Pro Football Focus from a pass rush win

(34:08):
rate percentage now as a team though, nine point seven percent.
That's incredibly low, shocking number to me. Four point three
percent win rate. Trey Hendrickson doubled, every snaper doubled, and
he still wrecked the game at points, but completely ripped

(34:29):
him out of the game plan. And until someone else
can show that they can do it, why wouldn't that
be your same game plan? Like if you're Carolina and
you're Canalis today and you're flipping on the film, they say, okay,
who can wreck my game? That guy Trey Hendrickson. Let's
see what Washington did and then just okay, we're gonna

(34:49):
do that. What's the counter right now for the Bengals,
because again, when that player is a safety, we mentioned
Pittsburgh mentioned that we weren't going to th over the
middle the field because we didn't Wantjesse Bay to have
an impact. When that's a linebacker, it's a little bit
harder and I want someone asked me over the break, like, well,
Logan Wilson's that guy. Why isn't his performance there. Well,
if the front four is not providing, that allows offensive

(35:11):
linemen to get to that second level a lot easier,
which doesn't let Logan Wilson have that free reign. But
that's hard, man. I mean, you can have lockdown corners
that cut off a lot of the field, right soas
Gardner is one of those players to where you go
into a game you're like, we're kind of tied here
because we can't target him a bunch and you kind
of had that to an extent with Cheeto. You don't

(35:34):
have that right now. You don't have the safety you fear.
You fear Trey Hendrickson and the game planning around that
is to send multiple players and not worked last night
for Washington.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
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years they've DJ Reader and what you would often see
what DJ Reader was he was great at occupying blockers. Yep,

(36:05):
they don't have anybody in the interior who's great at
occupying blockers.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
No, and for DJ Reader, when you think of the numbers, Okay,
if it takes two blockers to sustain DJ Reader, that's
one less blocker they can get to the second level.
Or if you start doing the math, that's one less
double team that can go to Trey Hendrickson right that, That,
to me was the maddening part about fourth and sixteen
against KC is that Trey Hendrickson single handedly disrupted the

(36:31):
game and on the final play of the game, you
allowed three players to get a hand on Trey Hendrickson.
That's why that was maddening. That's harder to do when
you had DJ Reader in the middle. They don't have
a player right now that possesses attention like DJ Reader
and the pass rush that could. We could read down
the list of every player on this team. None of
them are winning from a pass rush standpoint, So they

(36:52):
struggle stopping the run and they can't generate any pressure
from a four man front. What would that lend you
to think they need to do? Maybe apply more pressure
than some guys And they said it eleven times last
night in fifty seven snaps not nearly enough against the
rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So you brought this up before, and I think it's
worth expanding on. So after the game last night, we
find out that Joe Burrow talks to Zach Taylor, corners him.
They go in, they huddle, and we are all wondering
what that's all about. Right, And meanwhile, you know, the
talk of the Bengals culture, Well that's kind of gone away.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, kind of goes away when.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
You're zero three and you asked me off air, is
there something to the absence of the guys they've moved
on from not being filled by others, not so much
from a statistical or productivity standpoint, but leadership and culture.
So let's talk about some of those guys. You got
Joe Mixon, you got Shodobie Woozia, he got Jesse Bates,
he got DJ Reeder, Tyler Boyd, Tyler Boyd. Now those

(37:50):
are all good players statistically and otherwise. Talking about five
guys who did a lot of things that you can
measure by what they did statistically, what they put on
fit film, their level of productivity. But those are guys.
You know, Joe Mixon, say what you want about him,
often called a very good teammate. Yeah, locker room guys,
all of them locker room guy, and you could apply

(38:11):
that some of those guys were here during the dark Ages.
Joe Mixon obviously predated Zach Taylor. I do think it's
fair to wond er Tyler Boyd the same thing Choudoba
Woozy A got here. We saw what his impact was.
DJ Reeder. It goes without saying Jesse Bates and so
I guess for me, from that standpoint, maybe we underestimated

(38:31):
the cumulative loss where Okay, you could replace Tyler Boyd's
and tangibles, and you could replace Jesse Bates and tangibles,
and you could replace Joe Mixon's, and you could replace
each one of those guys. Statistically, it's hard to replace
all five.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Well, to be one of those guys, you have to
have the respect of the players on the field as well, right,
and all those guys produced. So if I were asking you,
who's that locker room guy, right, who's the number one
locker room guy for the Bengals right now.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
So Joe Burrow openly after the game last night, talked
about how he's gonna have to change his leadership up
and doesn't really know the avenue yet, so if he
doesn't know who is it. Because Joe Daniman came on
the show last week and said that he gets a
sense that there are players in the locker room that
were kind of fed up with the whole Jamar Chase fiasco,
and then Zach Taylor last night said about Cam taylor

(39:20):
Bridge comment, that's really not what we want to do.
So players are kind of against each other. It feels
like players are speaking up when they shouldn't. Joe Burrow
is not really sure how to be that guy yet. Yeah,
I am more worried about the culture than I have
been in the Zach Taylor era. Yeah, because you know,
Zach has been applauded for the culture. The culture also

(39:43):
works when you're winning, you know. And I know you
had talked about, you know, and we're gonna get into
nine and the offense being really good but the defense not.
But another thing that I did get to experience an
O nine was culture because we're undefeated, and the culture
is a lot easier to build when you're winning. Right,

(40:03):
you have guys that maybe they're not getting the touches
they want, but you're winning and you're ranked and everyone's
patting you on the back and it's great. And on
the other side of that, one year later, I was
in the worst locker room in the NFL. I was
with the Carolina Panthers and we end up getting the
number one draft pick. And there wasn't a culture. It
was players bad talking other players. It was players bad

(40:26):
talking coaches. It was coaches with one foot out the door.
It was players, as Antonio Pierce said this week, making
business decisions right. Why am I going to sacrifice my
body were not good? I got a family at home,
I got a career to upheld. The culture in Carolina
was toxic, and the culture at Cincinnati was great, and
those are tied to winning and losing. So this whole

(40:49):
culture that we applaud with Zach Taylor year in and
year out, what is the culture now when those guys
that you mentioned mix and Cheeto boyd reader Baits are gone.
Your quarterback doesn't really know how to navigate that role yet,
and you're zering three and you've got this receiver in
Jamar Chase, who man, he hurt us because he didn't

(41:12):
practice all camp? And why is Cam Tayler Burt running
his mouth? T Higgins hasn't been here, he's been hurt,
and Trey Hendrickson wanted out. That's a lot of different
stuff going on from the players that if I'm a
young guy I'm looking to right, Like, if I go
into that locker room, who's the most accomplished players in here?
And they've all kind of got something going on outside

(41:32):
of just their football world. So I am. I am
extremely concerned about the culture. I thought at times last
night they looked like the tighter team, whereas Washington looked
like the Bengals that I remember watching the last couple
of years, flying around, players laughing, having fun, hugging the coach. Like.
It was just different from the sidelines to the on

(41:54):
field action. And I just wonder, being in both cultures,
how much that culture is gonna be testing on them
the next week.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's funny you say that because I my seats are
behind the opposing sideline, and I watched that last night,
and look, I mean it was a competitive game. Washington's
defense had all sorts of issues slowing down Cincinnati's offense,
but there was a looseness to it.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, you know there was.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
And it's it's a new head coach and Dan Quinn.
There's a lot of excitement over Jade and Daniels, and
there should be, but like there was, there was a
looseness to that team that I remember twenty twenty one
feeling like, and then I look across the field and
it's a little bit different. I want to get a
break in, but I do want to talk about what
it's like to be the quarterback of a team with
a defense that played the way the Bengals did last night,

(42:42):
because no disrespect to some of your teammates. Sure you
were in that sort of environment and thrived and succeeded.
So I want to spend some time on that. When
we come back seventeen after four o'clock. We're at Twin
Peaks in Westchester. Here till six, Tony and MO Football show.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
The sun is yeah, let's all, let's call it what
it is.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's out I was gonna say it's outish. It's outish.
No word on the chemical spill on the west side.
I might just stay here tonight, you know, hang out
here in Westchester, Battle of Ohio.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Here at Twin Peaks. You could feel the build up
right now.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
You could feel the tension. Yes, yeah, it is a
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Speaker 1 (43:22):
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Speaker 2 (43:31):
Since two thousand, only one NFL team has started ohen
free and made the postseason. I've asked on Twitter, thanks
to United Heartland Insurance, Well, this year's Bengals become the second.
Thirty one and a half percent say yes, So roughly
a third of folks out there believe.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yes, they're going to be in the postseason. Fourth easiest
schedule remaining.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
We're gonna do that. Yep, win a football game.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yep. Offense look great? Yeah it did.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
It did Tony and Mo Football Show, Twin Peaks in
West Chatter. All right, So the offense did its job
last night. I don't care what Shannon Sharp and Chris
Canty are putting out into the universe. Cincinnati's offense was fine.
It was good enough to win. So you played two
thousand and nine on a team where offensively, you guys
were awesome. Defensively left a lot to be desired. Now

(44:18):
there were moments in that season, including against Pitt where
you needed stops and die. But you know, buy and large.
When you think of that team, you think of you
guys offensively and winning a Biggies Championship and getting to
a BCS Bowl game kind of in spite of your defense.
What is that dynamic? Like, first of all, let me
start with this. Pressure is a quarterback when your defense
isn't stopping it awful and you've got to take the field.

(44:40):
You gotta be perfect. We got to score here. If
we open the door, boy, you know what, the other
team's gonna come through because our defense can't stop. That
puts a lot of pressure on an offense and a QB.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I always equated it to like when I was growing up,
Cole Raine was really good in high school. It was
a carry Combs and dominant Goodman years and they ran
the triple option and it just sucked possessions out of
every game and they would score, and teams playing them
always felt like we only gonna get the ball back
so many times I have to score. It's the same
thing in nine, because you felt like there was added

(45:14):
pressure to every time you took the field because if
you didn't score, you're gonna odds on face a bigger
deficit or the lead is going to be gone by
the time you take the ball back. So my biggest
thing from it it just created, I don't want to
say an animosity, but it created a a stress that
kind of carried over everything you did, knowing that. You know,

(45:37):
part of it was fun because you got to go
out and score more, but the other part of it
is like, you know, do you think we score too fast?
Do we need to try to run the ball here
more because they need to rest, and then you start
playing into that and then you get out of what
your normal rhythm is or you know, are you know
nine was different because we won every game, so it
was almost like it's a problem, but we're winning, right

(46:00):
And you may, like you mentioned Pitt, like there was
a couple stops, but it was an air on special teams. Yeah,
that gives you hope or miss pat So you're always
trying to look for anything that can give you an
extra spark. But that nine team, as bad as defensively
we were at times, there was also times where they

(46:22):
could kind of you know, get a stop one ye
or you know, buck up a little bit, and okay,
now it's there's even more pressure on it.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
But I felt I felt at the time watching you guys,
and it's yeah, it's been fifteen years where it's like,
all right, offenses back on the field and they may
have a lead, right, they may be playing very well,
but they can't go three and out. They can't turn
it over. Correct, They've got to score points here because
you know what the other team, the other side is
just it's getting worked over a little bit. And so

(46:51):
what I wonder what the Bengals is. You might say
last night was a one off, an outlier and aberration whatever,
but what they were good, they weren't perfect, And then
you take the field the next time and it's like,
we've got to be perfect. We gotta score a touchdown
every time.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
That's tough, but let's say so now it puts more
pressure on red zone trips. So as a quarterback, maybe
instead of taking the checkdown, you try to fit a
ball into a smaller window because you need to get
that touchdown instead of settling for three with what the
defense gives you. You know, let's say let's say two
thousand and nine we had three losses. It would have
been a mess. The locker room would have been a

(47:24):
mess because you have guys that play at a very
high level, executing at a very high level, and on
the other side, you're you're not seeing anything because of it.
We had the benep it because we won and we
outscored so many teams that you win and you say
another one where we won and when we outscored.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
The game against Yukon that I think it was like
forty seven.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, that was a game that we mentioned before the
show against Fresno State where I think we possessed the
ball for like eleven minutes. We still won. So you
do that and you just kind of laugh it off.
A really good offense, we got a lot of weapons
and we're winning. We lose three or four games. I
couldn't even imagine the toxicity would be in the locker
room offense going against defense coaches being mad at each other.

(48:08):
You know, I just it's not sustainable to be dominant
on one side of the ball and be horrible on
the other side, because eventually, I don't care much of
a professional you are. Eventually you're gonna say these guys
are killing us. It is like we it's human nature
not us. It's not us, and then you lose the
team dynamic and what we talked about in the last segment.

(48:30):
Then you lose the culture.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I mean, it's human nature. If you're Jamar Chase, if
you're Chase Brown, if you're Joe Burrow, if you're any
number of offensive guys. You know, you go into the locker
room last night and you're like, well, we're not why
we lost. Yep, you know, Okay, you win as a team,
you lose as a team, And okay, you could say, well,
they should have scored a touch on it every drive.
They're terrific last night.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yes, and so like they didn't turn the ball over
and they didn't punt.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
We're owing three, and I gotta take all the heat
that comes with going, oh in three, we're not. We're
not why we're owing three. We're not why we at
least lost this game. And so, okay, maybe it's a
one off. But if there's another game like that and
then another game like that, we talk so much about culture,
that to me will test the culture.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
But there is a there is an added stress that
is put on an offense and more importantly a quarterback
when those things become a problem because mentally, I don't
care how much you say you don't think about it. Mentally,
you're gonna take the field and say, what we gotta
score here if we don't score on this drive. And
when you when you take that mentality and maybe you

(49:33):
make it out of characteristic play, or you're trying to
keep a play alive and you fit a ball and
it gets intercepted, that's where the problems become. But you
can't you're human that that thought is gonna creep in.
Here we go again. Like let's say let's say Carolina
takes the ball first next week and they score on
the first drive. Human nature of anyone outsideline is, well,

(49:53):
here we go again. Now we got to go score.
And if you don't, that pressure builds and it builds
and it builds, and if you lose with that, eventually
it's gonna hit a breaking point.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And I wonder and Zach will never talk to this publicly,
but as a play.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Caller, absolutely, right, absolutely, If you're.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
The offensive play caller, which in the Bengals case is
the head coach, If you're the offensive play caller, I
gotta think the ineptitude of your defense impacts how you're
calling it.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
And then you're fighting. What now you're fighting as a
play caller, Well, I got a defense it's gassed because
they just got run all over. I know we're better
when we throw it, but do I need to run
it here? Yeah? You guys would score too quickly, right, Like,
do I need to run it here to make sure
that they get some rest? And all of a sudden
you're in second and ten, and all of a sudden,

(50:38):
it's you know what, the dreaded second and ten run.
And now it's third and long, and next thing you know,
it's a three and out. Because your mindset was I
gotta get the defense some rest instead of just calling
your normal system and your normal play. That all becomes
a factor, and that all is at play right now
for an zero to three team whose defense has been
a business.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
You talked about this a little bit on the UC
broadcast on Saturday because it was so hot. But I mean,
just this has nothing to do with the Bengals, But
there were times in nine that the Fresno State games,
of a good example, defense gives up like a thirteen
to fifteen play drive. They're on the field for a while,
you guys get it back.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And you scored two plays.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, when you come back to the sideline. Did the
defensive coaches say like buddy at times?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah it was it was Uh, it does it as
long as but again, when you're winning, it it just
shields it. Yeah, when you're winning. Like I said that,
the defense of No. Nine wasn't great, but the culture
in the locker room was fantastic and offensive. Guys knew it,
but we were winning. In twenty ten in Carolina, not

(51:45):
so much was brutal and like you didn't enjoy going
into work right because I gets this player's bad talking,
this player and this group's bad talk in that group
and this coach and the nise coach. It's just everywhere.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Because that was John Fox who knew he was done correct,
he was gonna get blown out yep. So but the
culture itself, that's not the case here, No, But.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
It's it's players mad at the other side of the ball,
or why is this player get an opportunity and I'm
not or you know, we suck but this guy like
it just it opens up the door for so many issues,
and for the Bengals, there's already the issues in place
you're row and three now, and I do. I think
this is the most that the culture will be tested

(52:25):
in Cincinnati easily. In the Zach Taylor air, all right.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I want to talk about some of the themes after
the game, Joe's leadership and then Cam Taylor Britt having
to eat his words. We'll do that when we come
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(53:27):
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(53:48):
the lineup. Not that it's that big of a deal. Sure,
they're playing out the string. Carson Spiers is pitching tonight.
So they tweeted out the lineup at about an hour ago.
A hours ago, they tweeted out that Ian Jabou was back,
Julian Agiar goes on the injured list. Their most recent
tweet after that was the final score from GABP on Sunday.

(54:10):
The team social media feed doesn't even mention that David
Bell's not the manager anymore.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
No, when the news broke Sunday night, that's where I
went to see what the official statement was, and I
couldn't find it on their official twitter page. I mean nothing, Okay,
baseball activity, my pinchin in Chicago, DA don't have to

(54:35):
have those conversations anymore. Also one, Yeah, it probably is.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, he's sitting at home right now, might be listening
to us man answer questions about Matt mclinco.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Gosh, dude, can you gonna get paid for the next
two years not doing anything?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Pretty damn good. One programming note the Scott Saderfield Show
tonight on on Fox Sports thirteen sixty at eight o'clock.
Taylor Brent last week called the uh, excuse me, the
commander's offense quote a college offense.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I don't think he was wrong.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
No, they they We talked before the show. They ran
what seemed like five to seven different concepts.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
It was I felt like for the entire game, they
might have run six plays.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, very simple reads, get the ball out quick, take
a couple of shots, and allow Jayden Daniels to stay
in the pocket for three point one to three seconds
per drop back pass. Unbelievable, it was. He was never
made to feel uneasy at any point in the game

(55:39):
last night. Out of those two incompletions, one was a
throw away due to pressure and the other was a
ball that he missed a wide open receiver on down
the field. Those are only two incompletions every other meaningful throw.
How many tight window throws outside of the two deep
balls two deep balls that were in. Outside of that,
everything else was wasn't contested. It was catch wide open.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Like I Jane Daniels nationally today is getting a lot
of love and and deservedly so. He's fun to watch.
He didn't make any poor decisions last night. Feels like
the team rallies around him. But I'll be honest with you, man,
they're worth last night that I think any quarterback can make.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
The third and seven to seal the game was a
terrific throw. All the credit in the world for him,
But I mentioned, you know earlier in the game, the
fourth and ford to Zach Ertz. I mean, I've seen,
okay college quarterbacks who should make it.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
But it's also the third and seven to clinch a
game with the touchdown came out of a timeout. Yeah,
for back to back weeks. Yeah, it felt like the
wrong defense was called on the last play of the
game coming out of a time And.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
What was interesting is out of the time out, Washington
looked totally confused. It looked like half the guys had
no idea what was being run and I'm watching it going,
holy crap, this is gonna be a sack. Yeah, this
is gonna be an incompletion, they're gonna have to kick
a field goal. They go up eight. Then it comes
to do they stop the two point conversion?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Correct because it felt like if the Things got the
ball back, they go score. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
So CTB runs his mouth and I like, I like
this stuff. We're in the content business, so I want
players who say stuff. Last week it's Xavier Worthy the
only runs basically straight.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
This week it was the Commanders run a college offense,
where I don't think he was wrong. Yeah, do you
have an issue with him speaking? Honestly, doesn't when you're
rowing three. It's just worse when you're own three. Same
thing with like Jamar Chase saying the AFC runs to us. Yeah,
hard to say that. Howd to say those.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Things when you when you go in three? And for
the first time it didn't really feel like Zach Taylor
had their back about that. Last night. It's like, well,
that's not what we want to do. We're going to
compliment the other team. Outside of that, you know, I
think he's at the point now where the noise has
to stop. Yes, it's one way to talk when you're
three and zero and you can back it up when
you're rowing three. It makes you come off as clownish
as a team when you talk about the opponent and

(57:56):
then an opponent comes in and beat you.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I've watched both games the Packers have played with Malik Willis.
Matt Lafleur has done a good job of designing an
offense around what he can and can't do. Antonio Peers
said some things about his team that may be accurate,
But what I saw from his team last year when
he took over was pretty interesting, right. They really played hard,
specifically on defense, got a lot done. Kevin O'Connell is

(58:19):
three and zero was Sam Arnold and they just punked.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
I don't know the Houston Texans from a defensive standpoint.
Who's our best defensive player on Minnesota? Oh and pace? Right? Yeah,
I mean you'd have to look it up. And yet
back to back weeks they have out schemed Kyle Shanahan
and that San Francisco offense. And then he took the Texans,

(58:42):
who have the most star power arguably if anyone in
the NFL, and they made c j. Stroud look like
a rookie quarterback making his first or second start. They
without the personnel that a lot of those star teams have.
They are out coaching, out scheming their opponents. Green Bay
is out scheming and out coaching their opponents. Mentioned it

(59:04):
all week. Teams that were zero and two on Sunday
with their backs against the wall, that know the history
of starting zering three found ways to win outside of
one on Sunday Brian Callahan and the Tennessee Titans. So
and last night the Jaguars and the Bengals. Those are
the only winless teams in the NFL right now, because
all the other ones came out with their backs against
the wall and found a way, somehow, some way to

(59:26):
win a game.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So I mentioned Lafloor, Antonio Piers. Last year, Kevin O'Connell
dan quinn, who had a terrific run as defensive coordinator
in Dallas, got the Falcons to the Super Bowl. He
is now the head coach of the Commanders, where he's
got Cliff Kingsbury running his offense. Are the Bengals zero
and three with any of those people, I don't think

(59:47):
so running things?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Either on a side of the ball or being the
head coach of the team.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
No, I don't think. I honestly don't think Matt Lafleur.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I come back to he is a terrific You.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Know, Mike McDonald, you were high on him going to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I just you said this to me off airline coaching matters.
We could talk about that. The players the Bengals don't have,
who they've let get away, like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Figure it out those like those coaches you just named.
If you went roster by roster, player by player, who's
got the better team?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Well, I mean I think the Bengals have a better team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I think they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I think they have a better team than Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yes, I think they have a better team than Minnesota's
had a lot of really good young player outside justin Jefferson.
They've got a better team in Minnesota. They I think
they have better than the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Their bet they when they're supposed to be better than
the Commanders. And again, offensively, the Bengals were fine last night,
Like I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Watched Yes you fine last night.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
How many times in the last couple of years are
we on here on a on a Monday or Tuesday saying, man,
the offense just didn't perform Week one. Just Week one,
Borough wasn't great. They lose to New England because they
don't put enough points. They they did outside of the
fourth and sixteen against Kansas City, they got the ball
back with a chance to go shut the door and
they didn't do it. So it's offense one week, it's

(01:01:03):
defense of the week, it's a bad call, and special teams.
It's always something. But at the end of the day,
other teams, other coaches, other schemes find ways to win games.
Maybe they shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
The example to me is Lafleura, and I could use
O'Connell as well. Like I I watched those two games
that Malik Willis's had to play, and I see well designed,
smart game plans. I see complimentary football. I see a
team that figured it out. And by the way they
lost their first game, right, that figured it out. And
so we could discuss why the Bengals roster has been

(01:01:37):
constructed the way it has, who they've paid, who they've
not paid, what mitigating circumstances there are, I guess last night,
you know, people were mad about the two point conversion,
and understandably so, but that was a non factor in
the game. We're not complaining about the officiating today, which
is refreshing. Figure it out, and it is maddening to
me that a head coach in the six sees and
has had the same defensive coordinator the entire time with

(01:01:58):
this quarterback can't figure it out enough to beat the
New England Patriots, who they were nearly ten point favorites
to beat, and the Washington Commanders in a home who
they were seven and a half point favorites to beat,
and the Kansas City Chiefs, who got a one hundred
and fifty one yard passing performance from Patrick Mahomes. They
couldn't figure it out enough to win one of those games.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Rams with half their roster on ir Yeah, beat the Niners. Yes,
they don't have a guy to throw the ball to, right,
they don't have a defense right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Dude, two years ago, Baker Mayfield shows up on Monday
and Sean McVay wins a game on Thursday with him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yes, it happens everywhere else, but here, Like again, last night,
is not the loss we're making it out to be.
If they just beat New England, Yeah, and it's not
the loss that makes it out if we're just not
talking about all the missed opportunities against Kansas City where Mahomes,
as you said, through for one to fifty one through
a couple interceptions, they weren't crisp at all and it

(01:02:52):
was there for the taking. Again with seven minutes luck,
you had the ball go scoring, the game's over and
you give it back to them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
You know, Andy Dalton's a fine backup. But in Carolina
with the the buzzards swarming and everybody complaining about Bryce Young,
Dave Knalis and Andy Dalton with one guy to throw
to Ananta Johnson played great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Wash Rinse repeat. Steelers rosters terrible. Yeah, Justin Field's got
canned in Chicago. Now they're three and zero and people
are saying, what Justin Fields looks like he's figuring it out.
It happens everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Just that that's to me, like I yelled at this
field last night, just figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yeah, I'm And again you mentioned offense was good last night.
At some point. One of the themes in the first
three weeks now is red zone efficiency. They do have
to be better in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Sure, but the offense was good last night. It was
not Week one but it wasn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Week two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
You know, Burrow had the turnover. H They had two
opportunities in the fourth quarter with the ball and the lead,
with a chance to almost put the game away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Lauro fumbled for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Last searrow was Burrow in the offense was to rific
last night. But let's not pretend it's it's uh not
complicit in this zero to three start.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
It was switched last week. Defense played winning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I got one more complaint. Can we can we stop
the play where the tackle is eligible near the goal line?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I mean one time, it's like fool me once, right, it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Happens like that should happen to you once every two years.
It happens in consecutive weeks. They have to announce it, right,
They tell you the guys eligible, this guy's eligible, And
last night they actually defended Jaydon Daniels and Joe Batchie
right starts running at Daniels two instead of the eligible player.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I mean, the dude just leaking out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
You can't miss him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
He's four hundred pounds. How do you get beat by that?
Worry about tackles making it gets beat by that play
in consecutive weeks? Yeah, Who's You can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Feel my agitation level rising.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Who's the who's the backup tackle for the Panthers? Should
I at him in fantasy this week? That dude's about
to have a game? Now at him in fantasy this week?
I did hear him?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Neither the judge machine this week? Boy, get get ready
to catch a pass or two.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
We're just the team that you can have fun and
laugh against.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Right now, it's twelve minutes away from bet you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I bet you I could do this this week five.
That's what they're saying in Carolina right now. Watch you
think I can do wine? I bet you I can.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
If you're dude, they're next two opponents. If you're Andy Dalton,
you're like, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
They blitzed how many times last night with that pass rush.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
They're not gonna blitz. No one's gonna get near me,
Like there's nothing I haven't seen. Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
And if I'm Lamar Jackson, gosh, they.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Which want about the Ravens issues this year. From Lamar Jackson,
I'm going, wait a minute, we can run a college
offense YEP against the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
And I got Derek Henry to give it to it
never punt yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
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After five, ESPN fifteen thirty In afternoon, it's the Power Hour,
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It's the Tony and Mo Football Show. We have a
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(01:06:47):
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We've got a guy to Jordan Shipley, Jersey. You don't
see any of those saw that. We've got Steve Offenbaker
from Hawaii. It came from Hawaii, Yes, for the show,
just for the show, which which again is this is
the tenth year of the Tony and Mo Football Show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
We have eight fifteen more weeks of this, so maybe
there'll be some sort of commemoration.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I don't know. Well, anyone from the station show up
to one of these shows this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
We've had the last two weeks, we've had someone last week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Last week we had west Chester. You have to see
them from the station. Correct, But you think ten years,
that's one of those milestones that maybe a gift isn't all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Maybe a plaque, yeah, money, a trip something would be Hawaii,
trip to Hawaii. The last one was terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Well they won.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
My last trip to Hawaii, I saw lose mine had
food poisoning, You had food. Bearcats won the game. My
last trip to Hawaii, I saw lose seven. Yeah, speaking
of which, it's the Tony and Mo Football Show. It's
not the Tony and Mo Bengals Show. No no, So
we could start the hour, you know, by doing something

(01:08:00):
sort of uplifting and talk about those Bearcats, which two
weeks ago, there we go. Everybody's down in the dumps. Yeah,
they're never gonna recover, They're gonna go two and ten.
Suddenly they get the bell back in Oxford and then
as thorough and as complete a performance as we have
seen from the Bearcats in forever. Say what you want

(01:08:22):
about Houston, maybe they're not very good. It's not surprising
that the Bearcats won the game. They were favored, but
I think the ease with which they did it was striking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, the first shutout since twenty eighteen, I thought, the
most complete performance from a Scott Saderfield coached UC team.
Easily special teams. They found something in Hawks. Yes, that's
an actual weapon. Now, Mason Fletcher's a weapon. Offensively, I've
been bullish from the start. Shrewsby's really good. Xavier Henderson

(01:08:54):
can go up with anybody. Joe Royers an NFL tight end.
They have two very dynamic backs that run different styles
in Kiner and Prior, and they return five offensive linemen. Right,
where's the weakness on the offense. Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I mean, you can you can complain, I guess if
you want about the Pittsburgh game and keep coming back
to that. But I look at what they have and
the upward trajectory from what we saw against Pittsburgh. Go
get to the defense here in a second. I've asked
the same question, what is there to not like, you know,
I don't know that there are really good building blocks

(01:09:30):
behind a terrific offensive line and Soresby Scott Saddafield talked
about it today. Is still just growing into the role. Yeah,
and it feels like a role that he's really embraced.
I mean, you're around the program and I am as well.
Just you know, I went down there today to talk
to people for the pregame show and somebody said to me, like,
this guy acts like a pro quarterback. This is not

(01:09:50):
a guy that you have to chase down for stuff.
Like he embraces we talk about Joe Burrow in leadership,
this guy like really embraces the role of being a
dude who's gonna take this team to where a lot
of people didn't think it can go. You can also
make throws, Yep. It's nice to have a quarterback who
can sling it, and they haven't had one since death.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
And with the running game the way it is, you're
gonna get favorable matchups. Yeah, and you make teams pay,
and that's what they've done. Zavian Henderson two catches, both
for touchdowns. Joe Royer is a monster over the middle,
and he's just as good as a run blocker as
he is a pass catcher, which is awesome. And then
the defensive side of the ball look, I thought they
looked slow and confused and lost, like they were in

(01:10:29):
quicksand against Pittsburgh. And then Miami came and they shut
down the Miami running game, which I don't know how
great it is anyway, but they contained Gabbert and they
gave up some chunk plays, but consistently they were pretty good.
And then last week only gave up one chunk play.
And I saw a defense flying around, I saw a

(01:10:50):
defense creating confusion. I saw a defense forcing turnovers, and
we said it during the broadcast, it felt like watching
Iowa State's defense from last year when they came to
Nippert And that's what you want. So the defense, in
my opinion, will continue to get better. They're gonna feel
more comfortable and play faster because they're more confident. I'm

(01:11:12):
bullish on them and say what you want. You shut
out a team, any Big twelve team that's doing something.
That Big twelve team went to Oklahoma and lost sixteen twelve.
It's a good defense. In Houston was very good, but
it's a good defense. The Bengals has put up thirty
four against them. They don't give up anything. It was
a complete game and now an opportunity for a true

(01:11:35):
road test on the road and what will be probably
a pretty cool environment and eight o'clock kick Lubbock, Texas
with the chance to start two to zero in the
Big twelve against the team in Texas Tech. I know
they beat Arizona State, they weren't overly impressed if they
beat that. They beat Abling Christian by one in overtime
with fifty two to fifty one. They are not perfect

(01:11:57):
by any mean. They're a beatable team. I think it
started at like six or seven is down a three
and a half. Yeah, already that's a winnable game. But
I'm interested to see how this team who was thrown
together with all these new parts now takes on that true,
true road night game atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, there were a lot of us who after the
Pittsburgh game just wondered, and I think fairly so. Is
the three three five a good scheme for the personnel?
And you just referenced it, but you also talked about
it on the broadcast on Saturday. You could see the
players in front of us getting comfortable in it. And
when you're comfortable in a scheme, you're not thinking as
much and you're reacting, and then you're a better you're

(01:12:33):
a better player near a better defense. But I'll give
I'll give the coaching staff credit that loss to Pittsburgh.
We called it the worst ever. A three touchdown lead
in the third quarter, and look at them, They'll say
they don't hear the outside noise. They're at least aware
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
It didn't linger correct.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
The performance against Miami was not perfect, but it was spirited,
And the performance against Houston was spirited and complete, comprehensive, thorough,
whatever word you want to use. I think you have
to give him some credit. Look, you might not be
sold on Scott sadderfield, you might not be convinced this
team can win more than maybe six games in the
Big twelve. Fine time will tell. I do think the

(01:13:11):
way that game didn't linger because I said it signing
off on the postgame show that I didn't know how
this team was gonna recover mentally and they did. Yeah,
And I think there's a degree of credit that everybody involves,
starting with the head coach, has to get for that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Feels like the locker room is more cohesive than last year.
Feels like they're more together. And the longer it goes,
the more it feels like this is a team that's
played one terrible quarter on the season. Yeah, right, because
that bad quarter happens and everyone closes the door. You
look at now in the grand scheme of things, they
played a bad quarter and had not been for that

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bad quarter. It's a completely different conversation going to Lumbock,
Texas at four to oh, but at three and one
with a winnable game here on the horizon and still
winnable games on the Big twelve schedule, and look across
the Big twelve. Utah is good to go win it
almost stay without cam Rising is good. Show me another
dominant Big twelve team. You're gonna find a way in

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every matchup. That's okay. Here's an avenue to win in
Kansas State. Got boat race at BYU. Yeah, there's gonna
be an avenue that you could talk yourself into every
win on the schedule. Can they go get it done?
Ten and two? And then probably get you into the
conversation the playoff. Scott's Souderfield, the hero that Cincinnati never knew.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
They gave off Coach of the Year, you know, I mean,
suddenly the possibilities seem endless. And uh and not to mention,
they get to go to Lubbock, to Lubbock and uh, well,
I'll tell you what, I've heard nothing but bad things
about love.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I haven't heard. I've never heard a good thing about
Lubbock or players outside of maybe Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Have you ever met anybody who went to Texas Tech
that you thought, God, don't want to hang out with them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Not a person.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It's basically Mahomes And that's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
It, right right. Not much history at the university, No,
not much prestige did they Did they that's generally dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Did they have football? Like Tumberville was the coach there?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Yeah, well they did have the Tupperville era, which is
the highlight of that university.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
But like that, like prior to that, you never Mike
Leachs was there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
But if you think of like history, yeah, you don't
think of any former like player outside of my homes
that were like legacy type players or like linemen up
front them or big tough guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
No lineman at all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
You don't feel that from Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
No, it's finesse yep, skill, it's it's not a lot
of toughness. Nope, not a lot of punch in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
And uh, you know, I'm exciting kind.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Of the way that the national media for a couple
of weeks is talked about the Bengals. Yeah, kind of soft.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I agree. Yeah, it is sixteals five o'clock. I wish
I could tell you everything that went into the ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
We can we talk about just the missus since twenty
twenty in the in the draft of thes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
We're gonna do that. Yeah, we're gonna do that when
we come back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
It's seventeen. I needed that positive segment after.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
What a tough one Dot's gonna be for you former team, Yeah,
hometown team Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Haven't been to Carolina in a while and so tough
place to play. As the week unfolds, we can remind
people where the Tony Pike Statue is, south Side, outside
of south Side entrance, Bank of America Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Is that right, Yeah, south side entrance? Very good, hopeful, Yeah,
send pictures once you get there. In all honesty, if
you are going down the area right around the stadium
is awesome. Uh. They It was the craziest thing because
when I moved down there. They call it the Queen City.
What do we do like, this is the Queen City.
I just left the Queen City. Very confusing down there.

(01:17:20):
But they have an area at the Holiday Inn where
I stayed for essentially like six weeks waiting to make
the team great restaurant bar scene. Not that the players
will get in it, but if you're going as a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
So I've gone for two Belt Bowls.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoyed that. Yes, it's
a good area.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
One one that the Bearcats lost and the other with Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Stripling I think was his name.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yes, and the Bearcats beat Duke Travis Kelsey was the MVP, the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
One of the worst bad beats of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Van Pelt all right, you wanted to talk about Bengals
recent defensive draft choices. How do you want to start?

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
All right, let's just dive into to this. So the
Bengals from an organization standpoint, we've talked about coaching today,
we've talked about scheme, we've talked about the players on
the field. From an organizational standpoint, over the last couple
of years, they have made the decisions mo uh to
move on from and I'm just talking defense here. Jesse

(01:18:14):
Bates and DJ Reader, cornerstone guys, locker room guys, really
good players, Chenobia Woozier. In doing that, they also chose
to keep Sam Hubbard, BJ Hill, Jermaine Pratt. They're also
essentially refusing to pay Trey Hendrickson long term because that's

(01:18:34):
where the whole fuss was in the off season, which
he already said, I don't have a problem with that,
but those are the decisions they've made from a personnel
standpoint in the off season. They tried to I kind
of view it as jaymer candelariode some moves. Sheldon Rankins
wasn't like a home run fit, but it was like, man,

(01:18:55):
if he plays above what he's been like a game, like,
you're not gonna stumble into like the Billy price for
BJ Hill stuff. So if those are the cases, then
you look back on the draft because if you're gonna
pay Joe Burrow and you're eventually gonna pay Jamar Chase,
then you have to you have to hit home runs

(01:19:17):
in the draft. Yeah, so since twenty twenty, I'll give
you the I'll give you the draft pick, and you
tell me if it is a cornerstone piece for this team.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Dax Hill remains to be seen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
He was a first round draft pick, and I would
say at this point complimentary piece. He is a serviceable piece.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
The first two pieces the first two years have been
have been a negative correct. I'm giving him a chance
to learn the new position. Fine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Miles Murphy is an unknown correct. Their second round picks,
Cam Taylor Brett. I don't think he's a lockdown corner,
but I think he's a good I think he's a
good player. I think they're asking him to be better.
I think he'd be a better a perfect corner too. Yeah,
he's not. I don't think he's the number one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I think he is a good player who is on
this team. Possibly miscast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
DJ Turner can't get on the field. He was a
second round pick. Chris Jenkins yet to be seen. Their
third round picks, Logan Wilson, That to me is a
cornerstone guy. That's a hit. Joseph Osaigh no, Zach Carter no.
Jordan Battle won one snap in three games. McKinley Jackson,
we don't know yet. A Keen Davis Gaither just kind
of there, doesn't do anything. He tried to step out

(01:20:28):
of the back of the end zone because he had
twelve guys on the field yesterday. But outside of that,
I didn't notice him. Tyler Shelvin cam Samples out for
the year. Khalid Kareem h is he even in the league?
Tyson Anderson been hurt too much? Josh Newton, We don't know,
Cedric Johnson. We don't know Marcus Bailey, Wyatt Hubert, Jeff Gunter, Hubert,

(01:20:52):
dj Ivy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I'm not gonna hold six or seventh round picks again, right,
I care about what but I care about what you
do the first four rounds, but.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
The landscape of that since twenty twenty, those have been
their draft picks that they have spent on the defensive
side of the ball. Not enough pieces. And when you
when you have that many misses in the draft and
you choose not to buy back into Baits or Reader
or Cheeto, and you make the decisions that now look

(01:21:20):
like bad ones. The Sam Hubbard decision looks bad. Jermaine
Pratt decision looks bad. You've made those decisions and you
haven't gone out and swung for defenses.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Is there Jermaine Pratt decision to draft him bad?

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Or this resign. I resign him because I would say draft.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I mean, look, sure, the biggest picks in history franchise,
but since he has been done next not for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Me, And and you knew, you knew going into the
off season that the d line was a major problem
for you, and you didn't make any home run swing
for a defensive lineman. So I guess my overall question
would be, knowing all this, what did you expect to
happen on the defensive side of the ball. How did
you expect it to be any different? You would have

(01:22:04):
to say, well, we were going to outscheme people, and
they're certainly not doing that. So the personnel and the
scheme aren't good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I guess what what I if I make it about
the draft, I make it about that twenty one class.
So Jamar has been awesome. Evan McPherson for the most part,
has been terrific.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Ye, yeah, extra point yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
But in that class is Jackson Carmen. You drafted Jackson
Carmen with the forty sixth overall pick in twenty twenty one,
thinking by now at one of the five positions he
would be a mainstay. Well, he's currently on the practice
squad of the Miami Dolphins. That didn't work. So because
Jackson Carmon doesn't work, Now you've got to keep spending
on the offensive line, and maybe that's money that you
spend on the defensive side of the ball. So Jackson

(01:22:43):
Carmen doesn't work, Joseph Osai doesn't work. Cam Sample unfortunately
is hurt. Okay, rotational piece but not a major impact player.
They had extra picks in the fourth round, so Tyler
Shelvin hadn't played it down in the NFL since twenty
twenty two. Deontay Smith same thing. So, like I look
at that class, was that the Chris Evans year two.

(01:23:04):
Chris Evans was in that class too, thought he was
going to be better. Yeah, So in that entire class,
Jamar's good, McPherson's good. Those are players that would be
in year four by now. Those are cornerstone pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
There are none, So that's essentially outside of those two
have lost.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Year Yeah and then so okay, twenty twenty two, Dax Hill, Look,
it didn't work. It They had him change positions. They
didn't draft him to be a corner. They drafted him
to learn how to play safety behind Jesse Bates and
and basically get a red shirt ear.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
And then they moved on from Baits and moved on
from Bell right and Hill wasn't the guy. So that
puts you behind. Yeah, CTB is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
A fine player. Zach Carter is not. Cordell Volson is okay,
and he's fine. Is is are we gonna do a
whole thing this offseason about oh gud, you got to
figure out a way to keep Cordell volcan I mean,
he's okay. So, like you look at again, those are
your your first four rounds, Dax. It hasn't worked out yet.

(01:24:02):
Camon has, Zach Carter, it has not. Cornell Volson has.
He's played like a fourth rounder, fringe starting NFL line.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
But the problem is, here's the problem. Now, we've yet
to even begin to see the effects of what the
Joe Burrow deal in the meat of it is gonna do. Right,
We've not yet seen what the Jamar Chase deal and
the and the hope was by drafting this young talent
that you could save money there. Well, now you're behind,
because now you either have to hit another home run

(01:24:29):
in the draft or you've got to go out and
pay guys on the defensive side, because what are we
seeing right now? The Bengals could have the top three
offense in the NFL and it won't mean a damn
thing if this defense can't stop anybody, because we saw
that last night. Offense couldn't have played better. Defense stunk
and they're zero to three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Well, and also like they've got a lot of guys
on the offensive line who are not going to be
here in a couple of years. Sure right, I mean
just call it what it is like there, that's that's
an offensive line of established players. And so as you
start to mean a Marius Mims is now gonna have.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
To play, Yeah, and you better hope you hit on that.
You better hope you hit on that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
But we talked about like, all right, at some point
they need to begin drafting, and maybe Matt Lee is
one of those players who knows, but like you gotta
start thinking about the offensive line down the road. And so, okay,
if it's we got a draft offensive lineman, but we
also gotta fix our defense in the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
And you don't really have the cash to go spend
the day. That's why I just thought in the super
Bowl window, the big window, you spend a little more
money this offseason and address those positions of dire need.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Or win the Super Bowl when you're in it, yes,
not too or now or win the AFC Championship Game
when your offense is on the field at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
I'm like, I right, they've had chances.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
It sounds like it's unfair to go back to those things.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
But but now you're But now to the point we
talked about earlier. We went into the year saying, man,
you feel better about the old line because now you've
got this swing tackle, whether it's Mems or Trent Brown.
Trent Brown's gone for the years. Now your starter. You
hope that he works out. If not, now who's your
swing tackle? Now, all of a sudden, it becomes a
position of need. And oh, by the way, these positions

(01:26:10):
are magnified when you're not two and one or even
one and two, you're zero and three. Now your margin
for air is zero, zilch, nothing, and you're asking a
ton of questions right now, three weeks into the year,
with losses under your belt to New England and Washington,
you've not even you You've been gashed on the ground
and you've not yet played a game against an AFC

(01:26:32):
North opponent, and all they want to do is gash
you on the ground. And guess who's coming back. Nick
Chubb's coming back in a couple of weeks, and Pittsburgh's
figuring it out with their offensive town and Derrick Henry
all of a sudden, that offense is figuring out their
running game. Good luck, s E.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Kwon Barkley is going to be here in a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Go find a way, Go find a way to have
to score forty every week because that's the way it's
trending right now. Even if okay is McKinley Jack Well,
they've got serviceable guys, but they're gonna have a star
because they banked on Hubbard or Osi being a dude
and right now neither of mar So now they have

(01:27:10):
to have Miles Murphy be that guy, and if not,
Trey Hendrickson will see double teams for the next fourteen weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah, you know, it comes back to things we talked
about earlier. Number one on defense. Aside from Trey, I
don't know, like Dave Canalis is working on the game
plan for Sunday. Who is he sitting there with Andy
Dalton going Okay, here are the one or two guys
that can totally screw up our game plan.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
They don't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
And then offensively, look, we haven't talked much about last
night's performance because there was nothing to really pick apart.
They played fine, burst off fine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
I thought it was the most complete offensive game we've
set night six point two carry.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
But it wasn't enough. And so as a as a
play caller and as a quarterback, I gotta think, Okay, well,
if if I played and we did that and it
wasn't enough, I've got to be even better. We can't
afford a three and out. We can't afford a mistimed interception.
We can't afford a mistake like you're asking that unit
that's not going to work. That is that is not
going to work. And so you can shrug your shoulders

(01:28:08):
and say, well, the defenses are gonna be very good.
This is who they are. Joe's got to carry us.
That might work one week, might work for a couple
of games. If the idea is to win a championship,
uh huh, not happen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
There are apparently rumblings happening in Carolina, according to Andrew Russell,
that they're gonna flex the Bengals Panthers game to a
Lifetime Movie Network at ten am Sunday, So something to
keep an eye on. Well, you know they're they're experimenting
with different Yeah, different windows panels and windows and time frames.
How about a ten am Sunday start?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Which which broadcast?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Did you ready for the Hallmark Christmas Movies?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Which or the latest Lori Lachman?

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yeah, what is the You're gonna put Tom Brady on
the call because all he's got to do is Dallas
games up to this point, so they're gonna let him
call someone other than Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
I think Tom Brady's been good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Uh, I don't really think he's been good. Did you
see it all? After the Dallas game? They brought him
on like the post game show I did, and he
said hi to like eight different people, but like he's
like telling that, like Hey Terry, Hey Michael. I'm like, no,
be quiet. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, It's just I
guess the Dallas game was kind of cool because I
almost came back from a deficit similar to what he did.

(01:29:15):
But when I listened to him, like I was blown
away because Romo was always like knew the play ahead
of time. Yeah, and Olsom was like, he's not really
given me any of that, so he just kind of
sounds I don't think it's bad, just normal. And I
was expecting greatness.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Yeah, I mean, I know Baltimore came or Dallas came
back in that game and made a competitive I don't
he hasn't had great games.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
I also think it's hard to call bad games. Yeah, Like,
I think there's a point of that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Is he hasn't had a great game. So that works again,
and we had to get a break in twenty four
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Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
All Right, that sports headlines in a service on Kelsey Chevrolet.
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(01:30:38):
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(01:30:59):
the criticism Joe has been getting, he put up good
numbers twenty nine of thirty eight three twenty four in
the year three touchdowns. Did throw a pick? He was
sacked twice, a QBR of seventy three, a passer rating
of one twenty seven point five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
He didn't do a pick, did he? No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Okay, no, there were no turnovers in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Yeah he was. He was phenomenal. No puns, no turnovers.
He did everything you could ask him to do. He
missed two throws. I thought all night in the red zone.
He missed the rollout to Zach Moss where Zach Moss
was on the sideline, and the next play he threw
load of Jamar Chase, which would have been a first down. Yeah,
they had have settled for three. Outside of that, I
guess the bald of Higgins was a little high, but
they scored on the next play. I have nothing. I

(01:31:38):
thought he used his legs well. I thought he moved
out of the pocket, extended to play. I could have
used him to God, it felt like I'm sure they did,
but it felt like after the touchdown to Chase, they
didn't go back under center. Yeah, they just went away
from that for no reason because it was always a
close game. But the only knock on the offense last
night is that a couple times they had to settle

(01:32:00):
for three instead of seven. Outside of that, thirty three points,
no turnovers, no punch. You gotta win that game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
If you were to wager and amount of money that
mattered to you on one team to win the AFC North,
who would it be? Pittsburgh's three And oh Cleveland is
a bad one and two, Baltimore is one and two,
and we know what the Bengals are. Who would you wager?

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
I'm done on Cleveland because Deshaun Watson is absolutely terrible.
It's so hard to watch that team. He's terrible. I
would still probably bet on the Ravens, yeah, because I
feel like they have it and they're trending in the
direction where they have figured it out on offense, and
I trust them more on defense than I trust the
Bengals right now. And I feel crazy saying that because
here's Pittsburgh three and oh with a dominant defense and

(01:32:44):
Justin Field is playing the best ball of his career. Yeah,
and they're growing confidence. But I just look at the
second half schedule for Pittsburgh. It's a lot different. You know,
Bengals right now, thirty six percent chance to make the playoffs,
fourth easiest schedule remaining. There's still a path there. Sure,
But are are you buying You mentioned an amount of
money that matters. Are you buying into a team that

(01:33:05):
couldn't stop the run against New England in Kansas City
and Washington and is going to magically stop the run
against Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Well, the thing is you build in the AFC North.
Certainly doesn't seem like it's as good as it was
last year, But I think you go into a season
building in divisional losses. You should probably do that regardless
of team, but I think you have to do it
in the AFC North. Last year the Bengals went one
and five against the AFC North. Two years ago they

(01:33:35):
went three and three. So you build in losses, Well,
you're building in losses when you already have three, Right,
that's not what we thought we would be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
In your opinion, what's the number that gets you into
the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
I still think in a seventeen per conference field, it's ten. Okay,
I don't think nine will do it. Ten might put
you at the mercy of tie breakers. I still think
it's ten, which means they simply have to go ten
and four rest of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
And so let's say it best case scenario four and
two in the division.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Best case, yeah, I would say that, So that means
four and two. Then you add four and five, So
then you have to go six and two against everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Else, and those everyone else would include Denver, tennessee both doable. Yeah,
Dallas might have a worse defense than the Bengals, the Giants,
the Chargers, Raiders, and Eagles. I mean that's not murderers. Wrong, No,
Eagles scare me to death because of what Sakuon Barkley

(01:34:36):
can do. And but again, I Vegas is winnable, Chargers
is winnable, Cowboys is winnable, Titans is winnable, Broncos is winnable.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
I guess also, like offensively.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Came out and we're talking ourselves into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
But here's like the Trent Brown injury cuts into this.
But offensively their whole right, they wasted the game last right,
we're not only offensively were they fine? But they're healthy
and so at some point, what I wonder is, you're,
oh and three. Now, injuries have taken a hold on
defense to a degree, but oh and three with your

(01:35:12):
offense where you want to be from a health perspective,
at some point you're gonna have to figure out how
to get by without somebody, and you're going to be
doing that while you're trying to make up ground because
you started oh to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Three short term, next three become must wins for me,
each of them each one Carolina and New York winnable. Yeah,
and then because the other one will be on the road,
Baltimore coming into town. Right, So three and three that
would put you with your first AFC North road trip
to Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
So after the Giants is Cleveland there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
At Cleveland home versus Philly in Vegas. You can't be.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Two and four now going into Cleveland Philly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
That's why I think three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
You've got to be three and three going to Cleveland.
The Cleveland games there Philly here, yep uh, those are
not going to be easy games. I think Deshaun Watson sucks,
but that's not gonna be an game. But I still
think the next three they're favored to win. Sure, they're
four and a half point favorites against Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
We'll be favored at home, slightly against Baltimore. He'll be
favored on the road in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Yeah, you you have to be if you're three and
three going to Cleveland and then Philly here. Okay, if
you're two and four and now you've got to beat
those teams to go into November at five hundred, that's
a tough ass.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Feel like we're at the reds already, so we can
just get the five hundred by this day. Look at
us though we on the show on a positive today
we did. We talked ourselves into the playoffs five hundred.
Yeah that wins.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
We're back here on Monday, thanks to everybody who came out.
Thanks to Rodney Simpson.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
From Cincinnati to Hawaii. Well represented today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Baker Man, he just posted a video of himself holding
a baby and I don't see him. Well it was
before he hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Okay, interesting our guy Bobby is he taking the iHeart
helicopter to Cleveland to take in the Ohio Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Now? If he is, I'm going with him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
I let's chump in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Freddy Benefeni's here man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
I was forgiven when the Ohio Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Tony is back for since he three sixty at noon tomorrow.
I return at three oh five. Have an awesome night.
Bangles line is next. Uh, have a great evening. This
is ESPN the bend Atonia mof Football Show. Have a
great evening. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station

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