9/30/25 - The Tony & Mo Football/Baseball Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
On an absolutely gorgeous day for baseball. Here in Florence, Kentucky,
we bring you the Week four edition of The Tony
and Mo Football Show Special Tuesday Edition. After last night's
to Baclan, Denver, He's Tonypike, I'm Moager. We're here at
Twin Peaks and Florence. We're back in West next week.
Let's just call it what it is. Tonight, Red's playing
the postseason nine toh eight first pitch. Ain't no better

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plays to watch the ball game Tonight. We've got playoff
baseball happening right now. Derek Scoogle has struck out eleven
Cleveland Guardians in Game one of their Wildcard series. Detroit
and Cleveland and the Tigers have a two to one lead,
with Detroit batting in the top of the sixth inning
the sixth seed leading game one of that series. In
the American League Reds and Dodgers tonight, Now, look, this

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is the Toni and Mo Football Show. Sure, and holy hell,
are we going to talk a lot about football today.
But we're gonna go to LA in fifteen minutes and
we're gonna chat with the guy who I think is
awesome at what he does, David Vosse. He's one of ours.
iHeart KTLA, host of Dodger Talk, is gonna join us.
We'll talk about the Dodgers. Sam Lequerre is gonna join
us in thirty minutes and get to this series with him.

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Doug Lanville ESPN is gonna join us at four h five,
and then in between all of that, I don't know
which target we're gonna hit hardest, but we have a
lot to talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Tom there's a lot of targets to take in eleven
years for the Tony and MO Football show. Has anyone
after any one of our shows ever said that it
didn't look like we wanted it today, don't think so,
or that we were soft, don't think so. Game four,
Monday Night Football. Just watch the Ravens go to one
and three. Huh still two and one? A lot to
play for and the opportunity, which I thought was huge

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to say Minnesota was not who we are. We turned
it over five times. That's not the team we are.
Last night ten times worse than the Minnesota game. In
my opinion, it was a failure on all levels. And
your star receiver after the game said it didn't look
like we wanted it. Good luck so that it was
one of those games Mo like normally, and I don't

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know how your show prep goes normally. It's kind of
well thought out to where I just put categories of what.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I want to hit on.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Today I found myself just like randomly jotting down thoughts
as they came into my mind because there are so
many different things about last night obscure, uh huh that
until you start talking like you remember something else, so
you remember something else. It was so bad on so
many different levels and It's led to a feeling that

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I've not felt as a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
See I have.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I have during the regimes of Bruce Coslet and Dick
Leboux and David.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Shula dark times.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And toward the end of Marvin Lewis's time in Cincinnati.
That's the troubling thing for me. You talk about show prep,
So I love talking strategies and schemes and picking your
brain about such things and discussing the roster, personnel usage.
And so I sat down, I flew back from Denver.
I jumped on a six o'clock flight. Yeah, yeah, that

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was fun. And I sit down and I'm like, all right,
before I conk out, before I go to sleep, I'm
gonna map out the show. And every time I jotted
down something about a play that I wanted to ask
you about, or a coaching decision or even an officials,
I just like crossed it out. And when zt Zach Taylor,
because that was a referendum on Zach Taylor last night,

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the word that I think for all of us came
to mind more than any was unprepared. Yeah, they looked
unprepared last night. We talked about this and you mentioned it,
but we talked about this right before we went on.
The Minnesota game bothered me. I wasn't as quit to
use the Q word quit, but I understand why people did.

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I quit on the game. It was forty eight to three.
A bunch of weird, fluky stuff happened. I don't want
to say I give him a pass, but I'll give
them the benefit of the doubt that with a little
extra time to prepare, national spotlight, the importance of the game,
season still alive, the desire to prove that that in
Minnesota is not what we are, meaning non competitive. That'll

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all results in a better performance, maybe even not a win.
I feel stupid for believing that. I feel stupid for
putting faith in this coach and in this football team.
I saw a team last night that was completely and
totally unprepared. They couldn't figure out how many guys to
have on the field. Sometimes they had twelve, sometimes they

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had ten, when they had eleven. They weren't lined up correctly.
We had play calling that made no sense. We had
guys running free and easy on Denver's offense. That was
and that's the frustrating thing to me, is diving into
the nuts and bolts of the game. Doesn't matter. It
was twenty eight to three. The final score doesn't indicate

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how much of a blowout that was. That was a
tail kicking, and not because the Denver Broncos were awesome,
but because the Cincinnati Bengals looked like an expansion team.
They looked like a team with a head coach who
had never coached the sport before they were a roster.
We saw Geno Stone stink last night. God didn't see
that last year. Cam Taylor Brick gets benched again. God

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didn't see that last year. I saw a defense with
a lot of the same dudes from last year's awful
defense played poorly last night. I saw a bad offensive line.
God who didn't see that come? I saw a quarterback
who's totally in over his head. And I saw a
team that, more than anything else, was unprepared. And the
number one job of a coach in any sport is
to have his or her team prepared. Zach Taylor failed

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last night. I should not be saying that about a
coach in his seventh season.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yep, you know, I think you could pick apart everything
you just said. I've never seen worse angles taken by
a defense. No, I've never seen more poor tackling. I've
never seen offensive line play. You know what, I characterize
the play of the offensive line on the defense. They're
just soft. They're a soft group. That starts with coaching.
Jake Browning to me, the guy who we've been fed

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for the last couple weeks, that he's our guy, everyone
believes in him. Can't play quarterback. No, let's just call
it what it is. And the biggest indictment for me,
you mentioned wiping the slate clean. How about going down
on the first drive of the game and getting to
the eight and kicking on fourth and two. How about
at the end of the game twenty one to three,
fourth and two, punting, waving the white flag? What message

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does that send to the team? What messages that's end
to the offense? And if it's me and it's fourth
and two on the eight yard line and I'm the
defense and I'm kicking, I'm saying, well, they don't he
doesn't trust us, because you're essentially saying, even if we
don't get it, we still trust our defense to make
the play. They don't do that. It starts at the
top with Zach Taylor. You could say it starts a

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little higher with Duke Tobin and the way this team
has been assembled, because, as you said, questions we had
last year are the same questions we have right now.
The issue is without Joe Burrow, who, by the way
I'm learning game by game, might be the best quarterback
that's ever put pands on the NFL. If he has
masked so much of what we're seeing right now, he
might be the greatest quarterback that's ever played in the NFL.

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It is failure on all sides. And to have your
wide receivers say it didn't look like we wanted it
in Game four on Monday Night football is embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
It's embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's also the most truthful thing to come out of
the mouth of anybody with that franchise because Zach Taylor's
insistence last week that's not who we are. Well, in
fifty percent of their games this year, they've been non competitive.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
So it is who you are, and the anoucher said
so last night, Right eight min and Buck were very
critical of how ill prepared the Bengals were in the
effort of which they played.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
With You mentioned decision making in the game Demetrius Knight
gives them a stay of execution. The Denver Broncos give
the Bengals a stay of execution because I'm not sure
I understand why Sean Payton decided to stop running the football.
But Nicks throws the pick, Demitrius Knight makes a great play,
so they get to come out touch back instead of

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starting at the two. And I'm thinking, Okay, it's not
that dissimilar from Minnesota. They've been awful tonight. They're down
by eleven. If they can even get three, yep, much
less seven, you know what back in this game. And
then they start the two minute offense by calling to
running plays.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
That was one of the things I forgot because of
the course of the game, so much happens. And then
you go back and to your point, not only did
you make the pick, it was in the end zone.
You get the ball in the sore. Now you're not
backed up, right, you get something, go do something. And
the fact that they went run, run is one of
the most laughable sequences I can remember for a Bengals offense.

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How Albeit you're the worst running team in football, by
the way, you're not gonna fool anybody by running. You
can't run it against three. You can't run it against four. Laughable. Laughable,
in which the like this team. You want to talk
about a team that takes on the identity of their
head coach. Now I feel like they are. I feel

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like this team is taking on the identity. It's passive
and last night it was soft.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I will read a quote from Zach Taylor last night
that made my blood boil when I saw it this morning.
We'll get to that a little bit later on. We're
at Twin Peaks in Florence. Meanwhile, baseball weather the Reds
and Dodgers getting set to begin their best of three
National League Wildcard Series tonight, nine oh eight. First pitch,
you'll hear it on seven hundred WLW. We're gonna go

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to La Dodgers perspective when we come back. It's the
Tony and mo Football Show till six o'clock here at
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Station three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger and
Tony Pike. We are broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Florence.
We're gonna get back to last Night's debacle here in

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just a few minutes. But the Red's playing the postseason tonight,
looking to advance in the playoffs for the first time
in thirty years, when they beat the LA Dodgers three
straight in the nineteen ninety five NLDS. I was a
freshman in college when that happened. It's been way too long.
Can they upset the Dodgers winning two of three in LA?
We'll find out tonight, nine toh eight, first pitch on

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seven hundred WLW. I have followed our next guest's work
for a very long time. He's one of ours KLAC
in LA. Also see him on MLB Network. David Vasse,
host of Dodger Talk, kind enough to join us on
what I'm sure is a busy day for him in
southern California.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
David, we appreciate the time. Good afternoon, how are you.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
I'm doing great. And I was a freshman in college
as well, and get my classes to go to those
two games at Dodgers Stadium. And I reminded Eric Carross
that his Dodgers was the last team to lose to
the Reds in the playoffs. He did not like that.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, I don't like the fact that that is the
last postseason advancement, most recent postseason advancement.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
I remember that well. I remember winning Game three, Mark Lewis.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Hitting the home run, thinking Wow, this is going to
be awesome, and then they got swept by the Atlanta Braves.
The Dodgers postseason or at least wildcard round roster is out.
Is there anything noteworthy to you with what they've done
with their twenty six man.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yeah, there are a couple of things.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Actually.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Michael Conforto, who the Dodgers signed to a one year,
eighteen million dollar contract, had a disappointing season, but they
stuck with him. He got over five hundred plate appearances.
They stuck with him all the way to the end,
and now they leave him off the postseason roster. And
they have two rookies on their roster that our defensive

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replacements and our pinch runners and Justin Dean and Hayesung Kim.
So to me that stood out. And also for the
Dodgers to have three catchers on this wild card roster
is a good thing for them. Because Will Smith, out
of Louisville University, hurt his hand, had a fracture on

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the top of his right hand, has not played in
the game for the last three weeks. Took live batting
practice last night, felt good enough to swing the bats.
So he's limited to coming off the bench as a
pinch hitter. But he's one of the most clutch hitters
in Major League Baseball currently, so that's a big weapon
for the Dodgers to have off the bench.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You get a little bit of a reset going into
the playoffs, but you also know that that the starting
pitching there's so much more stress on just inning to inning,
batter to batter. Bullpen becomes even more important. There's been
struggles out of the Dodgers bullpen for some of the season.
Where's the confidence level now going in to the postseason
with how that bullpen is set?

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Well, still the achilles heel of the Dodgers, for sure,
but it's gonna look a little bit different. They're not
gonna have to lean on Tanner Scott and Blake Trinan
as much as they did in the regular season because
they're moving two of their dominant starters to the bullpen
for this series.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
EMMITTT.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Sheehan is in the bullpen, a right hander that throws
ninety five ninety six got a great slider. And also
Tyler Glass now is going to be in the Dodger
bullpen for this series because he's not going to be
needed to make a start until probably Game four of
the NLBS if they get that far so right there,

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you shorten the game big time. After Blake Snell and
Yamamoto in these first two games, we.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Know all the stars in that LA lineup. Freeman, Otani,
Bets Mookie had a real weird first half of the
season offensively, for were much better in the second half
of the year. If there's a weakness that the Reds
pitching can expose in the Dodger lineup, where is it?

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. Right now, the Dodger
offense is so much better than where it was even
just the last time the Reds saw them, And that's
kind of about the time the Dodgers flipped the switch.
In particular, Taoscar Hernandez, who did not have a great
first half, came out of the All Star break a

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little sluggish, but he seemed to be the guy that
is the face of the Dodgers flipping the switch. So
if there's one part of this postseason offense for the Dodgers,
and I go back to what teams were telling me
last year. They said they've got to find a way
to have Otani come to the plate with nobody on,

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meaning the bottom of the order can't get on for
Otani because it makes it that much harder for the
opposing team to pitch to him. That's the biggest key
in this series too. If the Dodgers eight nine to
seventy eight nine hitters get on and turn the lineup
over and have men on base for Otune, it may
be a short series for the Reds.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
The view in La of the Reds and what problems
that they might pose to the Dodgers coming into the series,
or what.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
The Reds pitching starting pitching in particular, I mean starting
with tonight's starter, Hunter Green out of Notre Dame High School.
We actually went to the same high school. I had
Hunter and studio right when he signed with the Reds. He's,
as you guys know, mature beyond his years. So if
anybody thinks this stage is going to get to him,
they're mistaken because he's he's a young man that has

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a lot of poise, a lot of self confidence, and
he has he has the capability to shut down the
Dodgers for six or seven innings, and that would be
problematic considering the Dodgers know they got Nick Lodolo Chase
Burns that that is the one concern if you're a
Dodger fan, is that good pitching does shut down offenses.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
And right now.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
The the Reds have have one of the best starters
in the game on the mound for Game one.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
It uh, it should be fun, David. I know you
have a lot going on. Enjoyed the series. We appreciate
the time, man, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
When are the Bengals trading Joe Burrow to my rams?
I love you know when that happens.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
If you hear that, it's it's a package deal. It's
Joe and Zach you know.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
You know, thank you?

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that we would have to take
him back on mcbeth's DApp right.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
That's right, Yes, you would have to take him back.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
There. There are a lot of guys we'll give you, David,
if you want, well, we'll send a lot of guys
to l after last night if.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
You like.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
I just want Joe cool. He'd be great in LA.
Let's make it happen.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
One day that would be that'd be good for you.
I'm not so sure about us. David, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
See you guys, you got it.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's David Vasse five to seventy KLAC and Los Angeles,
host of Dodger Talk.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know, Zach was on Sean McVay staff, was he.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yep, good rule twenty eight minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
It was on tougher Ville staff as well.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
But three o'clock it's the Tony and Mo Football Show.
Let's just do another baseball guest.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Sam Leckure is going to join us. Next we're a
twin Peaks and Florence twenty eight after three. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Or this is ESPN
fifteen thirty. It's the Toni and Mo Football Show, twenty
Peaks in Florence with a very very decided baseball field
to it today. Uh, he promised me he would join
us if the Reds made the postseason ones.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Per series, and so here he is.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
FanDuel Sports Network man, our.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Guys, Sam le Cure, Hi, Sam, Hey, guys. Uh, it's the.

Speaker 8 (17:51):
Little Little Bengals that got me on A Little Bengals.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
No, we're not going to talk about Sam I didn't.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Really love the play call. I didn't really love the
play calling.

Speaker 8 (18:01):
But you know, I mean I can get pretty deep
on that if you want me to, but probably a
little bit more baseball for me.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
But you know, whatever you guys want, all.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right, Well, your thoughts on the Bengals are welcome and
feel like they're in line with ours.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Let me start with this.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
So most of us have said, if they could just
get to the postseason, they've got a shot because of
the starting pitching and because they have a manager who
knows his way around the postseason. You've watched this team
for one hundred and sixty two games. What has been
Tito Francona's biggest effect on this club?

Speaker 8 (18:34):
I just I think the ability to stay focused on
the current day. You know they had to do that.
I mean, it's kind of a mantra of every team.
You know, you win the day, you can't get ahead
of yourself, you can't worry about the day before.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
You're just kind of focused on that game.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
And has it always been pretty I mean, you guys
have watched, No, it hasn't. There's been some you know,
I don't want to call wild inconsistency.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
But it just never seemed like there was stretch.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
Where everything where they were saying they're playing good ball
and they were winning games. You know, there was there
was times when they were playing a good game but
they didn't win, and that's I don't know, that's that's
tough to overcome. But they managed to do it. So
I don't think that.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
This game, even though not a lot.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
Of these guys have been in the post scene, I
don't think it's going to be too much for them
because if they've been playing.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
For their lives for a monk.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
You know, you watched Blake Snell.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, no, you watched Blake Snell last year throw a
no hitter against the Reds. What makes him so tough?

Speaker 7 (19:41):
His stuff?

Speaker 8 (19:42):
I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, it's a plus across
the board. I'm sitting here watching the Detroit Cleveland game.
Detroit just made a big air in the top of
the bottom of the nine. If you're curious, it's like,
but it's Scooball started this game for the Tigers and
struck out fourteen.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
It's that type of stuff.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Now, I think where the Reds are going to benefit
a little bit is typically for him, it's high pitch
count stuff. So he may throw five shut out thirteen strikeouts,
but then you have an ability to get into their bullpen,
and that's been the Achilles heel.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
For the Dodgers for the most part.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
I feel like so, I don't think it's a I mean,
it's a tough matchup. He's really good, but I think
as far as the Reds are concerned, it might be
the best person to see game one.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Sam. We've seen so many times, especially down the stretch,
Terry Frankcona go to that defensive lineup to start a game.
We know the importance that he puts on defense. Does
that have to change when you go up against a
roster like the Dodgers, they're so dominant offensively tops in
the National League. Do you have to change the lineup
to be a little more hitter friendly instead of focusing

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on defense against a team like the Dodgers?

Speaker 7 (20:56):
You know, Man, I think it's kind of the opposite.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
Because the Reds aren't gonna win slugfests, right, so every
run is so important, so you put your best defensive
lineup out there because that one run that maybe if
Gavin lux is in left field that he gives up.
I mean, that could be the difference in the ball game. Right,
So I feel like they're gonna put there a defense
first lineup out there because indeed to win these games,

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you know, four to two, three to two, something like that.
If it starts to get above five, they're going to
have trouble keeping up with the Dodgers offensively. So I
saw I would say, no, you want your defense, buddy.
Mine was asking me earlier. You know, do you put
Spencer at second and sal at first? You know, to
try to get some more offense in there. And I
understand the thought, But now I think you have to

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put your best defensive lineup out there because for them
to win, it's going to be it's going to need
to be lower scoring.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
I feel if.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
There's one thing I wish we could go back and
redo Brady Singer would have given them a more length
on Sunday so they didn't have to call on Nick
Lodolo and Nick could pitch tomorrow game two. Instead, it's
gonna be Zach Lttel. Give me a breakdown of Zach Lttel.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
I'm surprised about that. That's the first I've heard of it.
To be honest with you, so I just mailed it in.
As far as it was going to be green Abbot Lidolo,
in some orders, it's been hit or miss with him.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
I think the importance of Mattel to this roster.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
I still like the move because then you have the
ability to put Nick Martinez and Chase Burns in the
bullpen and their big time weapons. As far as him
getting out there and starting the game, it's going to
be a real short leash. And because of the home
run ball and because of the way the Dodgers kind
of grind a starting pitcher down, I think it's a

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tough matchup for I mean, they're a tough matchup for anybody,
but I certainly like a left hander against him a
little bit better. Well I'll see, man. I mean, he
can come out there, and if he can start to
established I think the splitter in the strike zone early
in the count and start to get a little bit
to Chase, I think he's gonna be fine.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
I mean, I don't think it's gonna.

Speaker 9 (23:07):
Be a blowout.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
But do I like some of the other options, Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's felt at times this year like a boxing match,
like a UFC match where it felt like if the
round went ten more seconds, the fighter would be knocked out.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
I have felt that way with the Reds.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
A couple times, and then they find a way to
come back out swinging. And now they've swung themselves into
the postseason and you go against the Dodgers who have
the World Series aspirations, World Series or bust mentality, Does
it feel like it's house money? Does it feel like
a lot of the pressure falls on the shoulders now
of the Dodgers going into this series.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
I mean, I don't think that they're thinking that way
because this is the expectation for them. They've been there,
they've done that. They're comfortable in front of their home crowd.
They understand the adrenaline that comes with the full house
a little bit more than the Reds do.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
But because the.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Reds have been fighting for them, I mean, that's a
dangerous thing. You back somebody into a corner, they're kind
of going to come out claw on a little bit, right.
So a lot of times you'll see towards the end
of the season, a team that doesn't have much to
play for, they play freely, you know, And I think
that opens up some of the opportunities for them to
play the game the way that they like to play it.

(24:21):
So for the Dodgers to feel pressure, no, I don't
think so. I think they feel it's going to be
a challenge just for the same reasons that we all do,
which is the Reds can pitch right. I mean, they
believe in their offense, but they understand that they're they're
going to have their work cut out for them.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
The last time you were with me, I asked about
guys pressing.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is it hard in a series like this, which is
not going to go seven, It's not going to go five,
and so one at that can mean so much more.
You got a lot of dudes on the road team
who have not played in the postseason. Is it a
concern that you'll have some guys who are pressing.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
Not pressing necessarily.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
I feel like if they're able to kind of harness
that adrenaline that they're going to be feeling, which I
think they're going to be capable of because, like I said,
they've been playing playoff style baseball for the past month.
Even though you know the home crowds against the Pirates
when they're staying pack g JBP, you know, they showed up.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
And it's that kind of energy that you're going to
have to get used to.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
If they can do that, which is tough, I feel
like they're going to be fine, right because you have
te to to lean on. You got Travino who was
in the World Series against the Dodgers last year. You've
got Gavidlux who was on the Dodgers last year. So
you have people to go to to kind of point
you in the right direction. They'll give you the answers

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to the test a little bit, but you still have
to be able to harness that emotion and playing in
front of fifty five thousand of Dodger Stadium and seeing
the Otani's and Freeman's and bets and all that type
of stuff.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
So I think they're capable of.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
It, you know, and that if they can score, you know,
four or five runs a night and they can handle.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Their emotions, then I.

Speaker 11 (26:13):
Feel like they've got a chance.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I mean, that's what everybody says.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
You get in the playoffs and you have a chance,
and this team does because of the pitching you appear.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
You you appeared in two hundred and fifty Big League
games as a member of the Cincinnati Reds. But you
also appeared in thirty one games as a member of
the Oklahoma City Dodgers in twenty sixteen, So are your
loyalties slided?

Speaker 8 (26:32):
No, I even that's kind of funny because when I
went out to LA like I, you know, I play
with some of those guys, I know, I'm fairly well
and I bought a Dodger hat just because I well, yeah, well,
I mean there is some allegiance to them. That was
the last team I played for in pro baseball. But
it was sitting somewhere in my living room today and

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I made sure to put it away.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
So no, my allegiance is not for sale.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
It's good here.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Thank you as always, one time per series. So hopefully
we're talking to you next week.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
Well I sure hope.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
So you and me both, Sam, you're the best, all.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Right, guys, thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Thanks, that's our guy, Sam le Cure, Reds and Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
By the way, how about the Guardian's honoring Terry Francona
A little bit of David Bellot the contact play. So
in the bottom of the ninth inning, Jose Ramirez reached
triple single and then an Aaron Javier Bias the Detroit
shortstop who we still don't like here in Cincinnati because
he's the Cubs.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Ramirez gets to third and then he is thrown out.
Was that ball hit back to the picture with.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
One ass one hopper to the pitcher and he went.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
And he got caught in no man's land?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So the Tigers hang on to win Game one in
Cleveland two to one, so obviously a one to zero
series lead for Detroit. Meanwhile, in Chicago at Wrigley Field,
the Padres have a one nothing lead over the Cubs
as Chicago gets set to come to the plate in
the bottom of the third inning.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Road team wins Game one in the American League. Road
Team on top game one in the other National League series.
And by the way, I have to look up this
guy's name ESPN dot com.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
As you might imagine, everybody is picking the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Sure, with the exception of Dan Mullen of ESPN dot Com.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Always been a huge fan of dam Big Dan Mullen
guy knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
He's the football coach at UNLV, right.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
But he pays attention to baseball, so he.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Is picking the Reds to beat the LA Dodgers Mark Guy, Yeah,
Dan Mullen getting it done.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Can we get him today?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
We're gonna get doug Landfille.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Can we just keep pushing off any football?

Speaker 5 (28:41):
We're gonna do some football when we come back.

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with you. But that doesn't talk. That doesn't absolve Duke
Tobin of whatever.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
A man of hell. He's gonna catch roster so bad.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Zach Taylor had that roster totally unprepared to play.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Last night, Monday Night Football, Eyes of the Football World
two and one chance to go to three and one.
Put some separation between you and some other AFC teams.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Chance to prove that what they were in Minnesota is
not who they are.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
That's what I was told though, not who we are.
Now they get an opportunity this Sunday.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Have you ever been I know, you have to a
bar last Call and everybody looks really good.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, maybe in your single.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Days and then last calling, the lights come on and
it's like, whoa, Yeah, that's what this team is without
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I feel like that's what happened us during training camp.
There are a lot of days I'm like, this team's good.
Uh huh, they look good.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, lights come on and it's like, oh my okay.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Joe Burrow has to be the best quarterback in the
history of the league.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Joe Burrow is what everybody the the Bengals without Joe Burrow,
what everybody looks like when the lights come on at
the end of hay hour.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Remember we always said about last Call about Mike Tomlin,
like man, the fact that he kept that roster together
with Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown, when all that came out,
We're finding that out about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Uh So We're gonna follow that up with another baseball guest,
Doug Lanville. ESPN is going to join us at four
h five, and then we're guests for you the rest
of the way and we'll really dive into the nuts
and Baltimore.

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Speaker 2 (31:48):
All Right, it is the Tony and Mo Football Show,
and I promise we'll get to the football from last
night in a bit.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
But honestly, how.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Do you not start the hour by talking about the
Reds in Los Angeles Wildcard series against the Dodgers. If
they win, too, they advance in the postseason for the
first time in thirty years. You could watch the game
first pitch nine to oh eight tonight on ESPN John
Shamby Doug Landville and Alden Gonzales on the call. Doug
Landville is has been a long time MLB analyst for

(32:17):
ESPN and ESPN Radio. He is part of the Starkville
podcast at the Athletic also has a very good sub stack,
and as he prepares for the broadcast tonight, Tony kind
enough to give us a few minutes from Los Angeles.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Doug, we appreciate the time. Thank you for so much
for joining us.

Speaker 11 (32:32):
How are you, Yeah, it's my pleasure to join. I'm
very excited and yeah, I'm gonna head over to the
park in about a half an hour and start getting,
you know, some reconnaissance done. Talking to the managers. But
there's already a lot of excitement over there. Dodgers statum
last night from the workout.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, should be we get a great pitching match up tonight,
So I guess we'll start there. The thing about this series,
we've said all along, Doug, you know here in Cincinnati, boy,
if they could just get in, they'll have a chance
because of their starting pitching. Unfortunately, they're going up against
a team who starters sort of negate that advantage.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Is that kind of how you look.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
At Yeah, I mean, look, the Dodgers have phenomenal pitching
and they're just in a eeschelon by themselves. The challenge
though for the Dodgers all season was that all these
pitchers got hurt and they're going in a lot more healthy,
at least healthier than they were, you know, certainly different
others times of the year. So that just worked out
well for the Dodgers. They have the depth, but at

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the same time, like a well pitched game is a
well pitched game. If you you know, with Hunter Green
on the mound, you know there's some arms in Cincinnati
that can keep it close. And when you do, you know,
just a big hint a mistake by the other team
and all of a sudden you could pull out a W.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Doug.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
We often in Cincinnati have talked about Terry Francona and
the fact that he's had on this team. You played
under Terry Francona. I know, you guys stay close. How
much can a manager help in a situation like this
with a young ball club going to the state were
the lights of the brightest here in LA. What kind
of effect does Terry Francona had before this game tonight?

Speaker 11 (34:06):
Oh, he has a tremendous effect. I got to see
him manage through the playoffs when the Guardians were playing
against the Race, low scoring affair and they managed to
pull it out, you know, just by the skin of
their teeth. It was low scoring affairs. But Terry Francona
has evolved so much into a real good tactician to
go with his incredible people skills. You know, he just
knows how to a few situations. He just asked you, look,

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you got to play hard. You got to come to
the park every day and work hard. And then you know,
I won't say anything beyond that. You know, mistakes will happen.
But he very much understands how to reach players, how
to calm players, and to be positive. And you know,
when you're up against the Dodgers in LA, it's a
challenge because they you know, they have the payroll, they
have the swagger. But at the same time, the Reds

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are able. We're there for a reason. There's a lot
of talent in that room. There's a lot of good pitching,
and Francona is such a glue guy in terms of
keeping people focus on pulling together in the same direction.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think we're expecting if the Reds do pull off
the upset in this series, that they win two low
scoring games. That said, they've got to figure out how
to score. How do you do that against his Dodgers'
pitching staff when the Reds are not a very home
run another big home run team, it's obviously a pitcher
friendly park and you're going up against some great arms.

Speaker 11 (35:21):
Well, you just start tonight. You have Blake Snell on
the mound for the Dodgers. Now, Blake Snell is incredible.
You know, won a couple Cy Young Awards. His challenge
sometimes is the command. He likes to get people to
chase or misbarrels, and he does that very well. They're
gonna have to figure out how to lay off his
tough pitches, let him maybe get a couple of walks,
and then you have to play small ball. You have

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to move the runners, you have to score in fact flies,
you have to take advantage of mistakes. And so that's
how you chip away because with Snell, one advantage is
if he is inefficient, he's not going to be out
there that long, and then you're forcing the Dodgers to
get into the bullpen sooner, even though they have a
lot of good arms out there. It's always to your
disad is if you're in that bullpen in the fourth inning.
So look, so that was a competitor. He's you know,

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tough pitcher indeed, But that's the thing, like, all of
a sudden, if he's not in command and you have
enough hitters that can sort of work the count a
little bit, the Reds can try to win that small,
close game.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
No team in the National League has hit more home
runs or scored more runs than the Dodgers have. The
Reds have relied on using defensive lineups, especially down the stretch.
Can you beat a team like the Dodgers playing a
defensive lineup, or do you have to put your best
hitters in the lineup and see if you can match
run for one run with a team knowing you got
Hunter Green on the mound.

Speaker 11 (36:36):
Well, I think in terms of Blakes, now you're going
to need the lineup because you're gonna have to figure
out you know, maybe you do run into one excuse me,
maybe you do run in for one pitch and all
of a sudden, now you do get the two run
home r home run. Look, no question, the playoffs throughout
this sort of new format has leaned into the teams
that hit the most home runs. So you gotta have

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to keep the ball in the ballpark on the pitching side,
and a guy like well, you know, you may be
able to you know, sneak one over the fence here
and there, and then you worry about defense and holding
the lead lead. That's where you big move. And you
know you have a guy like south Stewart for example,
you know, an offensive more offensive minded player. Uh, you know,
that's someone that can cause a lot of damage. So
you look for guys then to secure the defensive side

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that up in the Guardians game today, you know McKenzie,
Noel that made a kind of misplay at first base,
couldn't find the bag, and then the Tigers ended up scoring.
So you got to minimize those mistakes.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
We know the big names in that Dodger lineup, Doug,
is there someone in that next tier in that lineup
that if you're you're Hunter Green, You're Derek Johnson, you're
you're in the bullpen, you're thinking, we can't let this
guy beat this because we already know we're gonna have
a tough road to hoe with Betts, Freeman and Otani.

Speaker 11 (37:49):
Yeah, you gotta work around those guys, no doubt. I mean,
if you look at O'tani's red zone in terms of
the batting, it's everywhere. It literally is everywhere. So you
gotta you gotta kind of avoid. That's probably the best
way to deal with in a tunny But yeah, this
guy's like Andy Paez. You have to watch carefully because
he's Andy Piaz is the guy that you know can
sneak up on you. And there's no doubt that you

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know they have Asker Hernandez and guys off the bench,
but they're not They're not the team of the past
that they used to just roll out nine guys. They
really do try to mix and MAT's late, you know,
Key he Hernandez or guys off the bench, so you
have to be able to counter those moves with you know,
Sancian or whoever you need at the time, get to
that six seven eight combination and then close it out.
So I yeah, I like I like their chances because

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Hunter Green's on the mountain and when he's not his
best stuff, I mean, he is really tough, one hundred
plus miles an hour, really two pitches, but he keeps
everybody honest because there's such exceptional pitches. That's what makes
him different.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
No question, Doug, we appreciate you doing this, have a
great call tonight.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Enjoyed the series.

Speaker 11 (38:50):
Thanks man, absolutely thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's Doug Landville, ESPN Baseball analyst. He is on the
call tonight on ESPN Television with Bouchion and Alden Gonzales.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Of course, you.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Can listen to the game on seven hundred WLW. The
Red starting lineup has come out within the last two minutes.
Freedol and center, Marte and right. Andrew Harror is dhing
as you might expect because he FETs on lefties. Austin
Hayes good enough to back, good enough to play. He's
in left field, that back must be okay, Spencer Steer

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at first, Elie Dela Cruz is playing shortstop and batting sixth.
Tyler Stevenson catches. Key Brian Hayes plays third base, Matt
McClain plays second base and bat's ninth.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
See, I just I lean the way that doug Landville
just kind of broke it down. Though the odds of
you putting together two, three, four hits in an inning against.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Snell are small.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, why not trying to run into one and then
go defense because that might work against other teams. The
Dodgers are the best offense in the National League, and.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
We're specifically talking about third base.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, yeah, Dodgers are just too good.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
And Key Brian Hayes is an excellent defensive player. If
they put him in in the fifth inning for defense
because they have a lead, that doesn't bother me. I
want to try with a guy like Sal Stewart to
hit a two run home but he just said he
could run. I want to try to get a guy
on base because blooping a blast to me makes the

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entire difference in the series. I think they're gonna have
a hard time. I don't think they're gonna have a
hard time stringing together consecutive hits. I think they're gonna
have a hard time stringing together consecutive extra base hits
and putting up as Chris Walsh calls him, crooked numbers
without a home run, and Sal Stewart gives me the
better chance of like Matt McClean, say what you want
about him, at least has fifteen dingers this year, could

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at least still your base.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Matt has had a disappointing season.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
You could sell me on McClain's gonna play a solid
second base and he can't hit the ball over the fence.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, I don't buy that. I'm getting that with Key
Brian Hayes.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's just it's it's different in the sense for a picture,
Like everything is amplified in the postseason. Sure, so every
out is stressful for a picture. Think about the stress
Hunter Green is one through nine in that lineup. You
you never get to take your foot off the gas, right,
say what you want. You get to eight in the
Reds lineup, and you could probably breathe a little easier

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for two batters.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Now really quickly here, I got this email from God. Fibonacci.
All right, God, this guy says he has met me,
says he ran into me.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
At where you talk. You've you've met God multiple times.
You speak to him often.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
At Roosters and Mason Whoh.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
This October marks the one hundred and twenty first World Series.
The Red's payroll one hundred and twenty one million dollars.
Oh in Jermatria. Revelation equals one to twenty one, and
Revelation is the sixty sixth the book of the Bible.
This is really an email that I got. The word
Cincinnati equals sixty six, sinking the city's name with Revelation

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and the one hundred and twenty first series. Ad Pete
Rose honored this year with the fourteen patch and you
get fourteen forty one and the thirteenth Prime, all aligning
with Los Angeles, the Dodgers, Red's wild card opponent. I
don't know what I just read, but this somehow suggests
that the Reds are going to beat the Dodger.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
You're telling me there's divine intervention at place.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
He just says this.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
This run is written in the numbers so God Fibonacci,
who says he has met me Man Roosters and Mason.
I don't recall the last time I was there a
Twin Peaks guy, of course, right, just getting emails, that's incredible.

(42:49):
I get emails moments until we go against that. All right,
we just did three baseball guests. Frankly, I wish we
had three more. We're out, but we've done them, and
now we can spend some time. We're not done with
the Reds Dodgers, but now we can as we want
the money game in here for some reason.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Oh they're still in it right now.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Let's discuss what happened last night in Denver and what
to do next when we come back. Tony and Mo
Football Show, Twin Peaks, Florence on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5 (43:33):
So like ninety degrees out, man, it's like Midsummer. We
got the Reds.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Tonight baseball weather.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
It's the Tony and Mo Football Show, which means we
have an obligation to spend part of the show talking
about football. Bengals played a football game last night, barely
destroyed by the Denver Broncos. You did a series of
breakdowns using the all twenty two on social media, six
of them, six different plays, and with each one I

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got more and more upset at Jake Browning.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Yeah, ain't.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
The work to get that down to just six this
morning was was brutal and for most of them. Jake
Browning to me is the question mark the other I
don't think this team has answers for pressure, as odd
as that sounds. I think with Joe Burrow was just
be good enough and get the ball where it needs
to be. And I think they relied so much on

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Joe Burrow to operate at the line of scrimmage and
now they're not being able to do that with Jake
Browning that they are just being exploited in a lot
of ways. But Jake, he missed throws that were there.
He read the wrong side multiple times last night. There
were times and I know the pocket's an issue that
the pocket was okay and he still left a little

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bit early.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
It.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
It was not a ringing endorsement mode for someone that
we've been told has the locker room. Everyone believes in him.
He's our guy. We don't need to make a move
for a guy like Cousins or Russell Wilson or Jamis
Winston because we've got Jake Browning and the team fully
trust in him. I have a hard time believing that's
true after watching last night.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't know how anybody could watch that performance and
feel like they have a chance to stay afloat.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Nope, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Look, to me, the backup quarterback is never a guy
that you go this guy we could play and win
the majority of twelve games with him, right. The backup
quarterback to me is put him in in the case
of a guy and going into protocol or suffering an
injury that has to be examined, and he's going to
finish the game or maybe play and start one for you.
And so like, I don't expect Jake Browning to play

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at an extraordinarily high level. I need him to play
at a higher level than I've seen the last two weeks,
and with some of the just basic stuff that he
was bad at last night, I'm not sure he can
do that. He might do it for a drive, Yeah,
He might do it in a play, he might do
it for a half, he might do it for all games,
although there's certainly not been much recent evidence to suggest

(46:02):
that he can. But if the idea is for Jake
Browning to keep this thing afloat for maybe when Joe
Burrow comes back in mid December, I do not think
he's capable.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Well, it's just a bad matchup for the offense.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh yeah, that's right, bad matchup. Yeah forgot Yeah, Look,
it's bad all the way around.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
They can't run the ball. They're last in the league
in run block win rate. They're twenty eighth in the
league in past block win rate. They can't throw it
right now, you're starting to see mo what I looked
at last night as fractures. Jamar Chase. You watch his
body language, you watch him on the sidelines, that's a fracture.

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And if that fracture doesn't get addressed, then your whole
foundation is gonna come down.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
T Higgins.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I don't care what you say about players. Wide receivers
are made in the same that they're not going to
complain if you're winning team whatever. I'm happy if you're
getting beat like that and you're not a part of
the offense. People are gonna lose their minds, and rightfully so.
Jamar Chase can't go into a game and come out

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with that production. T Higgins can't come out with that production.
Those two combined for fifty five yards last night. Last year,
they both combined for over two hundred and T had
three touchdowns. Mike Kasicki had ten catches in that game
last year. Non existent last night. It's like they forgot
how to operate offensively. And now I wonder because the

(47:29):
books out on them and they can't run it and
they can't protect. How do you slow it down? Who's
taking a step forward?

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Nobody?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Orlando Brown junior backwards, Ted Carriss. They gave an extension
right before the season. I don't know what they saw
backwards that's not there. Jalen Rivers, not a guy who's
a mid round draft pick that they took a flyer on.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
The Dalton boy. The bloom came off of that rule
pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Huh, fair child, Okay, And I am worried with what's
going on at right tackle. Mariusmims has taking a major
step back right. He's struggling right. Where do you go?
Where do you turn.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
So, Zach Taylor is in everybody's crosshairs right now, and
he should be, because again, when your team looks unprepared,
that is a reflection of you. I do not know
how you could watch that game last night and conclude otherwise. Yeah,
but some will say, look, it's not the coach, it's
the quarterback. So you know I'll ask this and trust me,

(48:33):
I thought last night reflected very poorly on Zach Taylor.
But if the counter to that is he's got one
hand tied behind his back because of how bad Jake
Browning is, what do you say to that?

Speaker 5 (48:46):
For me?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
It's been years of issues with the play calling, you know,
That's that's what I go back to.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
To me, Like, last night's not about play calling, No,
it's your execution team.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Can't line up?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Are they ready?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Can you get the play in without a delay a game?
Can we get the right number of guys on the field?

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Can you line up you know, with a legal formation?

Speaker 7 (49:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
You could say that's attention to detail, but again, where
does that start? Your head coach is setting the tone,
and I thought last night the tone was set on
the first drive on fourth and two from the eight
yard line. Uh huh. You essentially said I don't trust
this right there. So your team feeds off that. If
that's if that's a confident offense, you're going for that,

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and if not, then we're gonna put our defense. They
gotta go ninety two. Our defense gonna go out and
make a play. So that's where it started. And then
to hear the quote after the game from Jamar Chase,
it said, it didn't look like we wanted it. Where's
that come from?

Speaker 5 (49:42):
He's not wrong, right, you know?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
But that's that to me is an indictment on your coach,
because that's whose job it is to get you ready,
to put you in the position to succeed. And if
you don't want that to be on you, then relinquished
play calling duties, then give them up to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Can I ask you one thing about what they didn't do?
I brought this up to you yesterday. So in the
course of getting ready for the game last night, trying
to figure out where maybe against what is typically a
good Denver defense, the Bengals can exploit something, I looked
at how bad Denver has been this year at giving

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up yards to running backs when they're used as pass catchers.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Yeah, opposing quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
And I'm borrowing this from a Nick cosmider from The
Athletic who covers the Broncos.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
He wrote this over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Opposing quarterbacks are averaging twelve and a half yards when
targeting their running backs, which is the largest largest margin
in the NFL. They're giving up an explosive play, which
is defined as sixteen yards or more on twenty seven
point three percent of plays in which the opponent throws
to a running back, the worst in the league. Every

(50:53):
game this season, Nick writes, for Denver has featured at
least one significant breakdown that led to a big exception
for a running back on drives that ended with a score.
I think midway through the third quarter yesterday, Chase Brown
had one catch for nine yards.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
So explain that to me. Here.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You have this thing that statistically is obviously a weakness
for the Denver Broncos. You have in Chase Brown, a
running back who was valued for his ability as a
pass catcher, and you have a quarterback who needs high
percentage completions. All of those things to me mean Chase
Brown's gonna have a lot of balls thrown his way.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Yeah, midway through the third.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Quarter, which is pretty much when the game stopped being
in doubt if it ever really was. That number was
one catch, one target.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
How baffling, and that's that to me is where I
want to know where the disconnect is. You mentioned what
I did on social media today. One of the plays
I drew up was the first third and two on
the eight yard line where Jake Browning threw a ball
six yards out of bounds to T Higgins. On that play,
mo Chase Brown was one on one with the Minde linebacker,

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ran an angle route one and would have walked into
the end zone with the easiest throw Browning could have
made all night. So my question then would be, was
it talked about all week that, hey, if we call
this play, we're throwing this ball to Chase Brown, if
we get this look, or if we call this play
and they get that look, you're throwing it to the
T Higgins Because those stats that you just read off

(52:22):
would tell me that if I get a look and
I'm one on one with Chase Brown, He's getting the ball.
They don't cover the running back, and the first opportunity
you have where it's playing as day protection was holding up.
You didn't even look at Chase Brown. Yeah, So either
that wasn't drilled in during the week or Browning can't
take what's practiced and put it into the game and

(52:44):
read something out.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Either way, I think it's probably both.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Either way, that's a huge problem.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I think it's probably both.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Mo.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
You couldn't ask as a quarterback for a better matchup
than to come out and see the linebacker shift over
with Chase Brown and know that it's one on one
that he's going to win every time on that route
in the middle of the field was empty and he
didn't even look at it. Turn through the ball five
yards out of bounds to t Higgins, And if you

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are going to throw to T Higgins, give him a
chance with the ball in bounds, or throw a back
shoulder pass, don't just airmail the ball out of bounds.
Like from that moment on, it felt to me like
this is gonna get this, This is gonna be bad
again because they just failed to operate on the easiest
of plays.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Like we talked all the.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Time about the Rams years ago, when Baker got signed
on Tuesday and played on Thursday Thursday, that's the type
of play you could get signed on Thursday and still
throw on Sunday and successfully do it. You got everything
you wanted and you failed miserably.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
To me, it's a combination of an ep quarterback play,
not understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your opponent, and
then with that not having the right game plan.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
And I don't what is the game plan? I don't
know because we've st it for you. Now, what's the
makeup of this offense? Who do they want to be?
What's the scheme? What's the identity of the offense? I'll
say the same thing up front about the defense. They're soft.
Up front, I don't think that's an identity. They're soft.
But I still don't know the identity of who they
want to be. Well, they want to be twelve personnel,

(54:21):
they want to pay two receivers the money they paid.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Game one with Joe Burrow healthy. Remember bad matchup? Bad matchup?
And my take on it was, So you're just saying
the Cleveland Browns can take Jamar Chase and t Higgins
out of the game.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
So that's not your identity. When you just say to
the other team, all right, sorry, shrug your sholder.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Doubled down on that himself last week, because so he
was asked his press conference, how can you get Tea
more involved? He said, well, we're running out of a
lot of twelve personnel. Yeah, so do you want to
be a twelve personnel team? And if you do, you
already know that? Why'd you pay T Higgins the money?

Speaker 11 (54:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And can you not operate out of twelve and still
have T and Jamar on the field and get them open?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Where can you can you operate out of twelve and
still not tip your hand to as to what you're
gonna do? Because we're sitting there at the game last night,
and every time I saw T Higgins standing on the sideline, Yeah,
as an idiot, I knew what the play call was
gonna be.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
They're running the football.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
But twelve personnel says what one back, two tight ends,
two wide receivers? Right, that's Jamar and T. That's why
at training camp you and I talked like I love
the idea of twelve with Noah Fan and Mikeasicki because
you still get Ta and Jamar on the field.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
So why is it that have to be either or right? Why? Why?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Is Zach Taylor's answer, Well, we're running out of a
lot of twelve personnel.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
T Higgins is still on the field.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Why can't he get the ball? That scheme that's coaching,
so to me, that falls back on Zach Taylor. And
if it's not Zach Taylor, it's Duke Tobin because they're
not on the same page. Again, talked about this last year.
Does the personnel match the scheme? Well, clearly, Zach said
it didn't last week because they want to be a
twelve personnel team.

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Speaker 2 (58:00):
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Speaker 3 (58:29):
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Royer should be good to go. Hope so big one
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Speaker 2 (58:36):
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Speaker 3 (58:49):
You and I said Friday night in Kansas that it
felt like the game that kind of decides the trajectory
going forward is kind of how I thought of last
night For the Bengal I thought, Okay, this is gonna
set the tone on who they're going to be going forward.
And you know, I think even if they play well
and come up just short, you feel a little bit

(59:10):
better the way last night went. How do you how
can you feel good about anything going forward?

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Well, that's the thing. There's a how bad is this
gonna get? Sense?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Because of what's coming up. The Detroit Lions offensively look unstoppable.
The Green Bay Packers everybody wanted to make the Super
Bowl champs after two weeks. Since then, they have lost
to the Browns, had that walk off tie against the Cowboys.
Bengals are going to be big dogs in that game.
They oh, yeah, that's right, not a good matchup. Then

(59:42):
you get the Steelers tough, tough, not a good match
up there. Yeah, Like, that's the thing about these last
two games. You can't even talk about them winning because
they just haven't competed.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Right, I think that's the most demoralizing part. Right again,
Minnesota freakding happened in the NFL. Yes, I watched the
Carolina Panthers beat the Falcons thirty to nothing. I watched
the New York Giants beat the Chargers, right, Like, bad
and crazy things happen in the league, But when you're
not competing and you're not playing hard, and you're just

(01:00:14):
constantly out coached all the time, it's just infuriating. And
the effort and the lack of preparation, that's a level
of concern that I don't know how you deal with
at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So that's we could talk about, Well, he should remove
himself from play calling. I agree, but like, is it
play calling or is it you have a team that
doesn't know how to make sure they have eleven guys
on the field?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
You have guys who don't know how to line up? Like,
forget play calling. Can we make sure we have eleven
guys on the field on both offense and defense. Can
we make sure we know our players know how to
line up? Can we make sure we know forget what
the play call is, that we know how to get
the play call in in a timely manner?

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Can we know how the two minute warning?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
They took a time out before the two minute warning
in the first half yesterday, that was one of the
more baffling things I've ever seen. Yeah, So, like you
want to tear up the playbook and put it in
a new offense or come up with schematic advantages. You
can't even talk about those things if your team can't
do the basics. And the Bengals couldn't do them last night.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
There's no rhyme or reason to anything they do. You
mentioned the interception before the half. You get the ball
in the twenty and you run two straight running plays, yes,
and get nothing, end up putting the ball back. We're
watching a series right here, mo, it's fourteen to three
with eight minutes left. They just got the ball back
after Denver scored, and they took twenty four seconds off
the clock and punted it back.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Like, there's no rhyme or reason with how and when
they choose to operate the way they do. And again
you wonder time and place how the big picture comes together.
And then when that starts to happen, does the locker
room start to kind of give up?

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
And I really don't trust this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Because so there's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
The one thing you've always been able to say about
Zach Taylor from year one before Joe Burrow is his
teams have always played hard, His teams have always played
for the locker room has never fallen apart. Outside noise
hasn't gotten to this team. There's been very little public infighting.
The cracks in that foundation are starting to show. Their

(01:02:33):
effort has been questioned twice in consecutive weeks. Jamar Chase
during the game and after visibly upset. So like there
to me is the one thing I think you could
always say about Zach Taylor is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
For the most part, his teams look prepared.

Speaker 11 (01:02:48):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
His teams do play hard, his teams do overcome stuff,
the locker room stays together. Those things don't feel like
they're true right now. No, the other thing I I
would want to know if Duke Tobin worked for me,
would be all right. So Cam Taylor Brick got benched
twice last year, and we decided he was gonna be

(01:03:09):
our top recording returning corner.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Yep, this year got benched again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Your offensive line solutions included Lucas Patrick don't even know
where that guy is now and Dalton Reisner, who he
decided through three games can't start anymore. Okay, that was
our approach on the offensive line. We asked Gino Stone
to take a pay cut, but we had no plan
being place in case he said no. We watched him
miss a ton of tackles and take bad angles last year.

(01:03:34):
I'm still watching him do that. We saw a defensive
line that got ran all over last year. Still watching
the defensive line get run over. Pass protection continues to
be an issue. Like what I would want to know?
We can talk about Zach Taylor. All of these things
that were issues last year are issues this year. How
can he didn't fix them?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
And then because they they did?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Scott Peters, Oh yeah, golden strike technique, al golden, Yeah,
al golden.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
What's what's affling to me? Outside of Trey Hendrickson? This
team last year couldn't get after the passer? Right, They
still cannot get after the passer, and yet they brought
in a defensive coordinator who doesn't do what the blitz
doesn't blitz?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
How does that make sense? You're gonna get home with
four gets it with a team that doesn't get after
the passer?

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Makes no sense whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
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Five o'clock hour, Power Hour of Thetonian bo Football Show
on ESPN fifteen thirty, we are broadcasting from Twin Peaks
in Florence on a gorgeous Tuesday afternoon. As we get said,
for baseball tonight, National League Wildcard Series Reds and Dodgers.
If you're in the area, if you're in the Westchester area,
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in Westchester. If you're in Northern Kentucky, you could watch
the game at Twin Peaks here in Florence. And when
we say the game, well, right now we're watching the
second of four Wildcard games. Cubs leaded Padres two to one,
top eight in the Shadows at Wrigley Field, Detroit, one
game one of their series over Cleveland earlier today two
to one. Yankees and Red Sox play tonight, and of
course the main event here the Reds and Dodgers. Hunter

(01:06:41):
Green versus Blake Snell nine oh eight is your first pitch.
Watch it here at Twin Peaks and Florence. We will
be back on Monday at the Westchester location of the
day after the Bengals play the Detroit Lions. We're watching
the ESPN or NFL network, I guess is re airing
last night's Bengals Broncos. And we'll get back to all
that here in a bit. Let's start the hour Tony

(01:07:04):
by talking about tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
What a night, What an opportunity this this city. I
think what I've learned over the last couple of days
is how desperate the city is for the Reds to
have been in this position. Because the way the city is,
the way the fans are, the way, it's what everyone
wants to talk about. I mean, I asked yesterday I

(01:07:30):
saw more Reds gear yesterday on a Monday night football
day than I saw Bengals gear. Yeah, you know, it's
just it's remarkable this city and the rich history they
have with baseball, but also a city that's starving for
not just making the playoffs, finding a way to get
a playoff series win.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
That's kind of where I am Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Them clinching a birth was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
But if they lose this series, acknowledging they are underdogs
and certainly understandably so, it's gonna feel unfulfilling. Yeah, now
you know, we'll do the whole thing. Was it a
successful year? My take on that would be ask me
in a year. If this turns out to be sort
of the jumping off point, then we'll look at it
as a success. But I will admit even acknowledging the

(01:08:18):
tough task at hand to beat the defending world champions
two out of three in their building. If they're not
playing after Thursday, it's gonna feel pretty unfulfilling.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I'm willing to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
It is because they didn't go on this tear down
the stretch to get in and catch them. They went
forty and forty in their last eighty games. Yeah, that's
the epitome of average baseball. Now, to their credit, many
times back against the wall, Sure they fought, they scratched,
they clawed. They put themselves in a position that if
something happened like the Mets collapse, they would be there

(01:08:52):
to capitalize. Give them credit for that, but this team
doesn't have a home run hitter over twenty five home runs.
I don't believe there's a two seventy batting average on
this team like that. They're not they haven't been a
great team all year, great pitching staff, but they've not
been great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
They're they're It would be unsurprising if they lost tonight,
score one run, lose tomorrow, score one run.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
I mean, I said, I said last last, going into
the Pittsburgh series, you could convince me that they'll sweep
the Pirates, or you could also convince me they'll be swept,
and I would believe either one.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
Game to game, series to series.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Throughout the entire year, the question has been are they
gonna hit? I think Austin Hayes is an X factor
because tonight they're playing against the lefty. They've They've two guys,
Miguel Andrew harr crushes lefties. He's betting third. Austin Hayes
is in the starting line if he's been out of
it with a sore back. He was acquired to rake
against lefties. They're playing against the lefty tonight. They're also

(01:09:53):
taking on a Dodgers team that is going to have
four lefties available. Out of the bullpen, including their closer
who has not been very good this year, ten Or Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
I look at Austin Hayes. We talk about like can
someone run.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Into one I'd like to see if Austin Hayes can
be that guy either hitting him forth he's healthy enough
to play. I think he's an X factor. I also
think tonight is a golden opportunity for Hunter Green. I
like Hunter Green a lot. Yeah, I know there are
some folks who are a little lukewarm about him because

(01:10:25):
of the health, because, you know, some believe he slow
played his return from injury. Some still think, you know,
he was a bad investment, which is stupid because he's
the eighty second highest paid starting pitcher in baseball. When
Jason Williams of The Inquirer wrote that column a month
or so ago, and we made fun of it here,
I throw a Paul question out there, asking, like, how

(01:10:46):
many people agree with Jason that the Red shall look
into trading Hunter Green this offseason? And a lot of folks,
not the majority, but still a lot of folks said, yeah,
I agree. So this is his biggest moment as a pro.
This is a chance for him too. Obviously, deliver a
game one win, which I feel like they have to have,
and I think for him it's a chance to win

(01:11:06):
some folks over fans also, perhaps some people in the
organization and maybe even some of his own teammates.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Think of what he could do for his trade value
with a good performance tonight. Though, right, I look at
the moment right Dodger Stadium, playoff baseball. A lot of
young guys on this team. Do you get caught in
the moment of oh my gosh, like this is it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
And do you start pressing?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
And if you do, how much do you look to
Terry Francona as this is why you're the manager. You've
been in these situations. You can write the ship. You
can calm these guys down because everything is now under
a microscope. Yeah, you get on base, do you choose
to try to run? Do you be aggressive on the
base pass? Do you try to steal bases knowing that
hits are at a premium. How do you manage the

(01:11:56):
bullpen when it's time to go to the bullpen. Who's
the first man out, who's the second man out? How
do you handle the matchups from a lefty on lefty
standpoint all of that. And if we know one thing,
as we've sat here today, Tigers close to one victory,
Cubs are up right now to to one in the
eighth inning. Every moment, every pitch, you just feel tension

(01:12:20):
in these games. How does a young team, predominantly young
team handle those situations without a ton of postseason experience.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Well, I think back to twenty ten, which feels like yesterday,
but it was fifteen years ago. The twenty ten team
won the division and was frankly topped to bottom a
better team than this one. Roy Halladay pitches against him
in Game one, and he was awesome. H It's one
of the best pitch games I've ever seen. But when

(01:12:48):
Roy Halliday passed, I rewatched that game.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
You see dudes pressing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Now again, he was awesome that night, had unbelievable stuff.
He's in the Hall of Fame for a reason. But
I think you saw Red's hitters that night in their
first playoff environment on the road. You saw guys trying
to win that game and win that series with one
swing of the bat. I think in twenty twelve, in
Game three in particular, and early in Game five again

(01:13:14):
thirteen years ago, yep, a more season Reds.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Team, a better Reds team.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
You saw guys press that series five years ago in Atlanta,
where they didn't score a run in those two games.
As much as you know, none of us really take
that season seriously, but still that day, I remember vividly
being in studio watching both of those games, thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Red's hitters are pressing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, so tonight, especially if LA gets a run early,
and that's a big deal against Blake Snell and the
Dodger Stadium crowd is going. And I wonder offensively for
a team that is already not great, if there is
a little bit of that. And I think that's one
of the storylines in this series because it is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
So short, and I think that's why you need a
Frank COONa. Yeah, you know, maybe those young guys is
getting ready to go to the on deck circle. Does
he do something to keep it light, you know, does
he do something offer any type of advice? I think
that's fascinating. Obviously every decision he make makes is going
to be put under a microscope. But yeah, you know,
And on the other hand, I could see the opposite
if they can find a way to get an early lead,

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and now there is a lot of pressure on the
defending champs. Here come the Reds back themselves into the playoffs.
Now they got the Dodgers early on the ropes in
Game one, do they start pressing a little bit and
does that fracture?

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
Here, I'm gonna say something, mark this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Tape tonight if you have to bun oh, bun okay,
because I think if you could score a run and
it just all right, we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
We're in this.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
You know, we're hunter. You got to run, like my
favorite strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
But but what you can't do is put a guy
in scoring position with no outs, right and not get
him in. This team hasn't been great situationally.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
That that's when you start to press. That's when you press.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I mean, like, I'll draw from the past again. Twenty twelve,
Game one, Johnny Cuato gets hurt. There's so much tension.
Brandon Phillips sits a two run homer and that night,
I know they lost the series, but.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
Everybody kind of took a breath.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Eric Davis Game one, nineteen ninety, Like it's the moment
of that series that everybody still talks about thirty five
years later, where it's like cool, we're up, two's up.
We got Joserio, Like we could play with these guys.
I've heard players in the team to this day talk
about how it just it lightened the mood, took the
pressure off. So to me, like first inning against Blake Snell,

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a dude who no hit the Reds last year, Can they.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Just score a run in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Maybe mcgl Andohr hits a home run, maybe they just
they get them on, get him over, get him in,
and it's won nothing, and it's probably gonna take more
than one to win.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
But it just it calms everybody down. I think that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I also think, you know, look, it's the one thing
about Sunday that didn't go well, which is you had
to use Nicoletto in that last game, so he doesn't
start tomorrow, so Zach Lttel will.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
It's the importance of winning tonight because then.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I'll feel good at the very least, I got Andrew
Rabbut in my back pocket on Thursday. I don't want
to have to go, Zach Lttel with a really short
leash with my season, with my season on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Yeah, it's it's little things too, Like postseason, you have
to have a feel of Hunter, like, do you allow
a guy to go through the third time in the order?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
You know what, what's the what's the max pitch count?

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
You're willing to?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
I mean, it's just it's every little thing that just
gets put under so much more of a microscope.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
And I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I felt it against Pittsburgh last week just as a
fan watching the amount of pressure that's put on every
single thing that happens in the course of a game
is absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Including like with Hunter Green. Hunter pitched okay that night
against Paul Skins. Paul Skins was awesome. But I guess, Sam,
look here this last week, I'm like, do you ever
take the mound thinking about the do dude who's pitching
for the other team? And He's like, yeah, how do
you not? And I don't know if that was in
Hunter's mind. And again, he was good, you know he was.
He was good enough to win most nights, but his

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first playoff start back of his mind. How good Blake
Snell is and knowing, you know, game one matters in
any series, Game one and the best of three when
you're the road team like this, this, this is the
game where we talk about him being a staff ace,
which he is. This is the biggest stage he's pitched on.
This is a chance to make that bonafide I'm a

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staff as kind of statement. We'll see if he does
tonight five point twenty on ESPN fifteen thirty. Meanwhile, there's
the Bengals getting clobbered last night. I guess we have
to go back to spend some more time on that.
We'll do that when we come back strength to stadium
on Sunday. Silver blue, orange, black, YEP. Gonna be a

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lot of Lions fans. Gonna be more Lions fans there
now that we might have thought yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
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the Denver Broncos. We were talking about this off here.
The Denver Broncos might be a playoff team. I don't
know that I can pick seven teams to make the
postseason in the AFC right now. I know I wouldn't
put the Bengals among that seven. Denver might make the playoff.
Sean Payton's a good coach. Bo Nicks is a capable quarterback.
They do have a good defense. I don't think they

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played great last night.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I thought they made multiple mistakes, both penalty wise and
drop passes, missed opportunities for big plays. I don't think
they were clean at all. Like, I didn't walk away
from last night thinking, Wow, that's a team that I
could see going and winning at all. Uh huh, when normally,

(01:20:02):
if you get beat like that, you would think that right.
Didn't think of that about Minnesota either, and we saw
that a week later.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I thought to me, it was more reflective of how
bad things are right now for the Bengals than anything
that I was overly impressed with from a Denver Broncos
point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
So, you've got Trey Hendrickson's deal expiring at the end
of this season. You've got the money they've thrown at
Tea Higgins. You have a roster right now that just
isn't good. Like call it what it is. They may
be really good at one position or two. Joe Burrow's
really good when he's healthy, but you have a roster
that is just not good Now's got some work to

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do on this roster.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
So is it time to hit the reset button.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
And does the reset button include looking at the roster
but also the guy in charge of putting it together?

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
It has to right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
How long do you get right?

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
I mean, what again? Is swept away by this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Jermaine Burton was an active again and Ben Baby reported
he was late last week. Yeah, didn't show up on time.
Has not been active once this year. He was a
third round pick. McKinley Jackson. Has he been active yet
on a d line that's terrible? No fourth round pick? Yeah,
we're starting to question a Marius Mims questioning some of
the picks they made this year. We've questioned like free

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agency decisions they made, where they've spent their money. It's
just a lot, a lot of misses. It feels like
when it comes to this, outside of Joe Burrow and
Jamar Chase falling into your lap.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Last three years, what are Duke Tobin's successes, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
He has not built an offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
They failed to address the deficiencies of the team.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
They looked at the secondary last year and said we're good.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Brought all those dudes back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yep, hasn't really fixed the run defense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Wrote it back with Orlando Brown junior Ted Karris, they
not only rode it back. Hey, Ted, we like what
we see. We're gonna extend you. Yeah, that's baffling Lucas Patrick,
Dalton Reisner, Uh huh, fair Child Rivers uh huh. Then't
addressed the most glaring need, which led to one of
the best players on the planet missing the season. Here,

(01:22:19):
how could how could you rework the roster or question
the roster and not put the onus on the guy
that's putting it together.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
So all sorts of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Misses recently in the draft, the offensive line issue. The
offensive line has helped Joe Burrow get hurt now three
times in six years. Uh, they haven't figured out a
way to fix the defensive front hasn't been because of
lack of effort. Took to d Lineman last year, took
Miles Murphy, Shamar Stewart's hurt, but took Shamar Stewart. Like

(01:22:55):
the roster's not good, right, and like among all the
different things, and like we've we've punched away at Zach
Taylor and he's deserved it. His team looked unprepared. But
you take away Joe Burrow and it's here is the roster.
Jake Browning is awful, and I am certainly on board
with anybody else playing quarterback and maybe with a more

(01:23:16):
competent QB. We're not talking as much about the roster.
Where is this roster good? You can't say that it's
good in many areas. That reflects on Duke Tobin like
and then they're like, the Joe Burrow clock is ticking.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Man, He's gonna be twenty eight next year.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
I like, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
So they feel as stuck as they have been certainly
in the Joe Burrow era and going back frankly well
before that started. And if the answer is gonna be
just give Duke another offseason to actually fix it, okay,
or is Zach Taylor it just gives Zaki another opportunity

(01:23:59):
to bring in some other coaches, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
I have no faith in any of that working.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
So the ultimate question then, I think there are three
different avenues you can go down. You go down one
and you keep status quo right now, don't go get
a quarterback, keep things moving the way they are. You
could add a quarterback and send a message that hey,
we're still believing in this, or you reach out to

(01:24:27):
a team like San Francisco or Detroit and you say, hey,
we've got Trey Hendrickson here, what would you be willing
to give us? And then you send the message that
you're punting. But then you're setting up for probably a
top five draft pick. So I think it can go
three ways. I don't think status quo works in any scenario.
You can't come back on Sunday with the exact same

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roster and the exact same game plan and the exact
same people calling the plays and go through this a
third straight time, or you will lose a locker room
and the foundation will be brought down to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
You know the team that could probably benefit most from
Trey Hendrickson, it's the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, would you trade
Trey Hendrickson to the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
If I'm not going anywhere, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Let division rival effect. If I could get something that
can make my team better for the future, fine, I'll
send them to a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Division Right at this point, that's all I care about. Yes,
they have to get better in so many areas.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
How do you do that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
You're gonna have to acquire the draft picks, or you're
gonna have to and but then it goes back to
the same thing. You can acquire all the picks you
want to you get in the right guys when you
have the draft picks like that, that's an issue too.
But the worst thing that you can do, in my opinion,
is just status quo. Yep, we're gonna keep doing Hey,
we believe in Jake Brownie, I don't know how right.

(01:25:51):
And by the way, like coming out and say we're
gonna give Mike White a chance doesn't do it either
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Kid me like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That can't be the answer as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
If you think we're being too hard on Jake, I
invite you to go look at Tony social media where
he broke down six different plays that I think shine
a light. If the light wasn't already shining on Jake
Browning being bad, it shines it even brighter.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Go check that out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
By the way, Cubs hang on to beat the Padres
three to one, so Chicago has a one nothing series lead.
All of these series, including the Reds and the Dodgers.
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We'll start to find out tonight. Nine oh wait, first
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Cubs beat the Padres three to one, take a one
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two to one. Tigers have a one oh series lead.
Yankees and Red Sox tonight in the Bronx. Off day

(01:28:30):
for the Bengals. Back at work tomorrow. Detroit Lions here
on Sunday. That'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
I won't even give him an off day. Last night
d had an off day. Kind of felt like it,
let's get back to work. This is more non competitive.
I think if there's one thing you want, it's playing
the lines.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
On a short week.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Oh yeah, right, don't overthink it. Uh huh, just go
Mono amano. Your best beats their best.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So the Detroit Lions offensively have been awesome, and you know,
maybe a little growing pains without Ben Johnson that Week
one loss to the Packers. Since then, they have been
a machine. I don't even know where to begin. Al
Golden had a hard time getting enough players on the
field yesterday, much less putting a defense on the field.

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They were carved up by Bo Nicks and the Broncos.
What are the Detroit Lions gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
I'm so worried about Jamior Gibbs. I mean he makes
good defenses look bad. I mean he he made Cleveland
look average. They took Miles Garrett.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
It's not a bad matchup.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
For the brown got him on the right day.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Browns are a bad matchup, though not a bad matchup
for Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Bad matchup, okay, you're right, gotcha. Bad match up remarkable.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
I don't know, I don't know where you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Worry some matchup.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
I I'm shocked at the spread is as low as
it is nine and a half. I'm shocked that's that low.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
So those lines came out Sunday night, and the and
most books pulled it because the Bengals were playing last night.
I couldn't believe when the line got reposted it was
still just nine and a half points.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Yeah, shocking, absolutely shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
When you think of the Lions, at least I do,
I think of a team that takes on the personality
of its head coach. I know what Dan Campbell's about,
and I'll admit, man, I was wrong about that, dude,
because I'm like the gimmicky not a lot of substance here, Like,
it didn't take long for him to change my mind.
What Zach Taylor's personality as it relates to his football team.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
I couldn't tell you since he's been here. The only
thing we've ever said, he's a good locker room, good
culture guy, good head coach, bad play caller. But now
when that stuff starts to collapse, all of a sudden,
the culture becomes a problem and the locker room becomes
a problem. Yet Jermaine Burton showing up late on a
on a practice day like it's to me what I

(01:31:00):
saw last night on the sideline was a look in
a lot of guy's eyes of frustration and quite honestly,
some business decisions that were made. I saw more clips
of Trey Hendrickson on the sideline last night than I
saw him on the field. You know, it gets to
a point like this, and the sad thing gets it's
four games in where that bump or that bruise, I

(01:31:21):
can't go today. I can't go back out there. Sure,
business decisions. That's a scary, scary thought. Meanwhile, you see
other teams fight, but you couldn't convince me. Three weeks
into the year, Kansas City was a playoff team, dominated
the Ravens as everyone is. Defensively but more physical, outplayed

(01:31:43):
him in every sense, played with their backs against the wall.
That's what I wanted to see from the Bengals last night.
Can I see fight? Can I see aggression? Can I
see hey? We got to come out swinging? They just
rolled over.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
And I think the other thing for me is like
we talked about, well Burrow cover up all their awards.
So this year has Andre Schmidt, So has the official
who threw the flag on Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Like there are two or three plays away from being
oh and four.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
And can you imagine the oh to four conversation?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Well, then it's like it's it's not just the wins
and the losses. It's how they have looked, it's how
they have played. It's the lack of preparation, it's the
lack of fight and like, to me, the one thing
you could always say about Zach Taylor is his teams
play hard. His teams look like you know, the the

(01:32:35):
effort is there, no matter what. I've not felt that
way the last two weeks. No, those those are half
of the games. This is who they are. He is
their head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
And now you have a coach that's out there saying,
our guys believe in Jake, our guys are this. We're here,
and the players are probably sitting back like I don't
believe in that. I don't believe what's being done out there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
And now you create this division. Right, Locker rooms can
become toxic. I was involved in the worst one in Carolina.
We're the worst team in football. Right, like that locker room,
it doesn't stay together. Guys break up into their own areas.
No one's really buying into what the coach is selling.
At some point, you kind of feel like the coach

(01:33:17):
is this lame duck who's kind of sitting here and
you're like, what am I taking orders from this guy?
I don't know what he's talking about. That's why I
think something has to be done. That's why I think
status quo is the worst case scenario. You either push
and just say, hey, we're wiping our hands of this year.
We're gonna come back, we're gonna make sure we get
this right going into next year. Or we're gonna go
sign Russell Wilson because he's won a super Bowl and

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he's played at a high level, and he's won one
hundred and twenty one regular season games. We're gonna give
him a chance to turn this offense around because we
believe in our weapons. The worst thing you can do
is come out here this week and say we should
get back to work. So we were close, mom, We're close.
Close a lot of stuff we just watched in the film.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
We're close.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
So the other part of this is the roster songs. Look,
the results are what they are. You get criticized for
the things that lead up to those results, but they
get criticized for, oh, you're paying all the money to
these two wide receivers. Now my take, one of my
takes on that was you pay t Higgins because who else?

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
Who else? Who else? Are you gonna save the money
to invest in? Who else?

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
On this roster looks like a cornerstone. So look at
this roster as it's currently constructed. If you want to say,
all right, it's time to start thinking about twenty twenty six,
in twenty twenty seven, right, it's time to start thinking
about these last few years that you have Joe Burrow
under contract for.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
How many of those players do you really go? You
know what? I want them to be.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
A part of that foundational piece. How we can build around.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
How many do they have?

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
I don't know out of the fifty three ten.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
How many on defense?

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Pol maybe Shamar Stewart, Okay, I'll give you that. I
thought Dax Hill played okay last night.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
And maybe Demitrius Knight.

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
I'll give you that. We'll give me three three three guys.
Logan Wilson's already's having his workload.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Produced, right, He's on the way down. I think Cam
Taylor brid ain't one. Nope, Jordan Battle just a guy.
Gino Stone, I'd be okay if I never watched him
play football again.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
I've said that for a year now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Oh Si Murphy really been waiting, been waiting. They re
up bj Hill, he's been a ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Amarius Mems You've talked about like right, and I'm not
giving up on him, but like, how many guys are
you like?

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
You know what? Moving forward?

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
I know for a fact he's a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Here are the players we are building around, and here
are the players we want to eventually reinvest in. Yep,
who you got Chase Brown? Depending on how they value
him at running back. Maybe they're not having a good year.
I don't know, Jamar t him, Like, how.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
Many players are you like? You know what? No matter what,
they've got to be here next.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Year you might not be able to get ten.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
I don't think I could next year. If it's already
about next year, how many guys on the team this
season do you go?

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
I want them on the team in twenty twenties?

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Coaches?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
None of them right now?

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
I mean none of them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
You're looking at a complete rebuild talking about Joe Burrow,
Jamar Chasen Tams on a roster, uh huh and no
clue after that. Yeah, that's a rough place to be.
And we hope Samar is the guy. Sure, Yeah, like
has shown well, no idea but you got yeah, gotta
see more.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I mean, look a look at recent drafts. You to
me pointed out two glaring examples in Jermaine Burton and
McKinley Jackson, but there are many others. There's just foundational pieces,
aren't there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
The Reds are in Los Angeles, though, come on, come on, Reds.
Full recap and reaction to Game one since he three
to sixty with Tony and Austin tomorrow at noon and
myself at three zero five broadcasting from a different location.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
That I will not mention at this location because that's
not the right thing to do. All Right, we gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
We're in Westchester on Monday after the Lions game, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Be there for that might be one of our better ones.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Thanks to the staff here at Twin Peaks in Florence,
and thanks to Rodney Simpson for producing on site yep,
and our guy Tarren back in Kenwood. We are done.
Have a great night. Bengals line is next today. This
is been the Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 14 (01:37:36):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 12 (01:37:52):
Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center the UC Cancer
Center offers personalized prostate cancer care, exclusive clinical trials and
treatments you won't find anywhere else. Call five one three
five eighty five UCCC southbound seventy five. A disabled semi
that is on the off ramp to Freeman Avenue moved
away from the right center lane onto the right shoulder

(01:38:15):
of that exit ramp. Northbound seventy one seventy five traffic
stop and go from Burlington Pike up towards Kyle's Lane.
I'm at ezelic with traffic.

Speaker 13 (01:38:24):
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