9/3/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up? That's us?

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Good afternoon, A Mollleger three after three. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening. Hopefully you
had an awesome Labor Day weekend. It is gorgeous outside.
It is a Bengals game week It is also the
first of eighteen consecutive broadcasts once a week, mainly on Tuesdays,
two different Wednesdays because of Bengals Monday Night football games. Anyway,

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we're gonna be at Buffalo Wild Wings every single week,
usually on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are launching our tour, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
At the Blue Ash location, which, first of all, I've
got history with. It was at this location two thousand
and five Bengals go to Hines Field. Tad Perry's returning
a kick, got like nine dudes draped all over him
as he's taken all these Pittsburgh Steelers down the sideline.
Bengals win that game, put themselves in the driver's seat
to clinch the AFC North. I watched it right over there,

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clinch Miss twenty ten. Jay Bruce hits the home run
Reds win the National League centri I'm at the time
living in Sharonville. This is on my way home. There's
nothing downtown where do I celebrate Buffalo Wild Wings and
Blue Ash.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I've got history with this place.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So we're here in the Blue Ash, Glendale Milford Road,
just a minute off I seventy one. Our friends at
bud Light have given us some cool Bengals gear and
tickets to Sunday's game to give away.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
See you can't beat that.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Gotta get here between now at six o'clock plus Paul
Danner Junior's here from The Athletic and the Growler podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Did you in this history that you speak of? Did
you have friends? Were you just solo five?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Roll o five?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I was sitting by yourself where you're historically here by yourself, celebrated.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
The twenty ten Clinch miss game by myself. Okay, there
was nothing to do downtown.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Things have changed, I believe after Clinch Miss I ended
up at UH I don't even know if it's still
that is Mint Martini still there? I didn't go there
then the Reds. The Reds had like a post game
party there. The world at Chapman had your wings. Remember
the team that Rold Chapman had pants on that were
covered in diamonds.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It was amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I high fived everybody. Yeah, walked to my car and
went to go to Buffalo water Wings and uh the
O five Bengals the Steelers game.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
There were folks here with me. Well sure many of
them are no longer in my life, but but yeah
I was. I was here.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
It was fun, you know what. And you're not in
their life and that's okay though. Everybody's fine with it that,
you know what. The five season still goes down as
one of the great, the great good time seasons in
Bengals history. Truly, like everybody enjoyed that season. It's still
it's still my favorite all time season. Yeah, twenty one

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was awesome. I'm old enough for eighty eight. Twenty two was.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Awesome, but just in terms of like reminding me, like,
oh yeah, this is why I decided to like this five.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
This is reinvigorating.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's just this team that year was Oh yeah, this
is why football's fun, right right, because it's been so long.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Also, no hold ends. Also, no hold ends.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
So I had to pick up my phone as you
were doing the intro to make sure I don't miss something.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right, what happens.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Make sure I don't have any messages here, have any tweets.
I was excited Instagram posts of little children staring at phones.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I was excited.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yesterday because I woke up and uh, I thought, today's
labor day.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is the day that Paul said, this is going
to be the day. This is that should make you
nervous if they don't have it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
This is this is this is gonna be the day
we're gonna get an end of this Jamar Chase thing.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
He's gonna have to work.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's gonna ruin his labor day, but at least he
and I are gonna have something different to talk about,
that being a contract extension. And then labor Day comes
and goes and nothing and nothing.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah no, I mean, and we're all in playing the
waiting game right now.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I just I don't know, man, this is not how
it was supposed to go.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, it was not suppose to be like this.
I do think that you know, you can use history
as a judge and know that their biggest moments have
always gone down to the wire. They have always gone
to the deadline, and they often when they've wanted them
to get done they have gotten them done.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They've just usually done it up until the last second.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
The distraction of this has made it feel so much
longer and obviously exhausting.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
But because you have the option to.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Kick the can down the road the next year, because
it is a two years left on this thing, right
that remains open. From my seat, that option remains open.
There is I think people want to say, we'll just
pay and they're gonna do it, just do it. I
look they there's no saying they're definitely gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think they would love to.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm sure Jamar would love to. I think everybody would
love for this thing to be over. But they can
just as easily say, look, I don't think we're there
right now. We'll revisit this next year because you're under
contract for two seasons and we look forward to.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Seeing you on Sunday. They have that right to do that.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
And so would they go there, I don't know, and
then call Jamar's bluff I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Would he then decide I'm not playing Nobody knows.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, And so we just sit and speculate and wait
and just and I think everybody involved is hoping that
it just comes to an end, so it doesn't live
throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
For me, for you, for all of us.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I mean that's why, that's why I'm in the
just pay him camp, And I understand there are rifts
from that. I understand the precedent that it may set.
I understand some of the the inherent Rick risks, But
I want what the Bengals to win the title this year.
And I keep coming back to that, Yes, I want
I want nothing that could potentially get in the way

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of them winning a championship this season.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I want to put this behind us.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
All so we can really start to focus on what
it's going to be like. The Bengals play in Kansas
City a week from Sunday with Jamar Chase. Not that
I'm intentionally overlooking the game on Sunday, but to me,
that's really what I've wondered all all summer long. Is
he willing to miss games plural that means he's not
on the field for Kansas City. What's the impact on

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him not playing, what's the impact on the team long
term if they lose that football game, what happens down
the road, what this may mean for further contract negotiations.
I understand those are considerations. They're not my main consideration.
So I am team just paying.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, I think you have a very full roster on
your team there. You have a lot of people that
agree with you and understandably. So the thing is, what
why did you go through all that you went through
with Tea and forcing him to do this franchise tag
in one last ride? If you were going to jeopardize
the mojo and all of it by then doing this

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messing around with Jamal like you're you're doing this because
you are committing yourself to Jamar Chase Ince then right,
so just commit yourself to Jamar Chasing. What what real
difference is a little bit here or a guarantee here.
I get the precedent. They don't want to feel like
they got pushed around. Nobody's gonna look and be like
I can definitely push them around like Jamar did.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, you know what they'll tell Cam Taylor Britt like,
uh man, it's not the same, right, you know? And
and that's fair And I think and I think that
people would understand that a little bit more if you're
talking about other guys down the line. I just look,
they have set themselves up to have a very very
good team to have all of these pieces together with
this very incredible, this big window that's been open for

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a while, and you can't jeopardize it because you are
trying to, you know, save five million dollars in guarantees
or whatever it is. And like, there's not a dispute
about where this thing's supposed to be right right, yes,
And so why is there haggling over that?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just feel I feel like whether or not you
agree with the approach that Jamar has taken, whether or
not you agree with the approach the Bengals have taken.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think if we were to sit down.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And draw a line down the middle of a piece
of paper and on left side pros to just signing
him and cons to just signing him, that column of
pros out outnumbers the con column by a factor of
about ten.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. I mean, you're doing it anyway. Yeah, you're doing
it anyway.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
You this No one is pretending that he's not going
to be here for the long term, So why jeopardize
what's going to be happening in this season in order
to get the greatest possible deal. Now you can ask
that question many times over the years about this franchise,
and that's you know, will that follow them here? Or

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is this just the latest example of them waiting until
someone's about to get on a bus the first game
to finally get a deal done.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Maybe this is the latest example.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Maybe it's aj Green Part two, Maybe it's Joe Burrow
Part two on Thursday Night. Maybe it's any number of
these times that they've done this. We'll wait and see.
But let me tell you this. Anybody that says they
know and that you're hearing, you're retweeting, or you're using
any of the verbiage that you're hearing, knows squat.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I ran into this weekend a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Of newly sort of informed insiders who claim to know
a lot of folks. And on both sides of it,
I got, bro, he ain't gonna play this month. I
got this will be over by the weekend.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
I mean a lot of a lot of people know
a lot a lot of people seem to know a
lot of people know.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But I also think that's what's so interesting about this, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Right, well, and it's what also keeps it going, you know,
because because there is so I mean, everybody knew the
status of Brandon Ayuk and the San Francisco forty nine ersight.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Because it was every step was public display.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I would probably prefer it all to be done in
private any way, but it only increases the speculation.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've yet to hear from Jamar, not one time.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm still waiting for us to come in after practice,
into the locker room and him to be standing on
his stool saying here, ye hear, ye, I got things
to say. It feels like he wants to do that,
you know, and so, but it it ain't the fact
that we have none of that and the option to
kick the can down the road still exists. It leaves

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it to nothing but speculation. But I'm telling you, you know,
the Bengals do it this way for a reason. Yeah,
and keep it quiet its way for a reason. And
so if you if you think you're hearing people that
know what they're talking about, there.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
They don't. There.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
There are other facets of the team that we have
to talk about. But two more on Jamar, or two
more questions related to Jamar. You were with me last
Tuesday in studio and Jamar is.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Practicing or had practice, then it's cut down.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Remember the good old Yeah, and then you know, you
go down there on Wednesday and suddenly things are a
little bit different. Just describe, describe that environment on Wednesday,
just being around the team in your capacity, which was.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
A very weird, very much. Uh, you have got to
be kidding me.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Level of disbelief, Like we were just all assuming we
were gonna go out there and and see what we
had been told and seen pictures of him, what had
happened day before, and so no, it wouldn't go this way.
You wouldn't flip it on his head like this. It
wouldn't be a thing where you're gonna try to embarrass
everyone after what has been said the last couple of days.

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And then sure enough it was. That was really what
it was was everyone looking around wondering where where is he?
People are checking outside? Is anybody gonna check the porta
potties outside? Is that where we need to go?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Is he on a bus? Is he walking? Is?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And then to walk in ten minutes later, where it's
let's be honest, it's a scene. It was, here's a scene.
I'm coming in. I know that everybody's in there. You're
all wondering where I am. You've been wondering for fifteen
minutes where I am I'm gonna walk in and I'm
gonna walk right by everybody. You have to, but I'm

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gonna do it that way. Scene created, right, firestorm created,
and everybody saying, wow, it he took it there to
the next level, and that was it was really I mean,
it was a shot across the bow. And I think
there was a little bit of a disbelief of what.
I can't believe it it's gotten like this because what
we had talked about it had been despite the one
day amicable, it had felt like it was just look,

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I'm just doing this because I don't want to practice
trying to stay safe going through the process. Okay, now
it's getting closer, I'm gonna get myself back, ramping up
a little bit, and then to just say nope, forget
all of that, let's let's go to this next level.
Everybody was just stunned because you just you never you
didn't see that coming.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Not that anybody really wants to rethink the approach with
t but there is an interesting dynamic can play where
the guy that they have not paid has signed his
tag early, showed up to all the workouts training camp
played in the preseason game, caught a touchdown saying and

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doing all the right things.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
That's the guy they're not paying.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yes, the dude who they have said on the record
we're going to pay is approaching it this way entirely different.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Not that he is wrong, but entirely different.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just I wonder if, deep down inside, whether it's
Mike or Katie or whoever, if you could corner them
and go, how do you feel about the fact that
the dude that you're not paying has kind of handled
his business in a way that I think would be
more along the lines of how the Bengals would prefer.
And then the guy who you have said you are
going to pay is well not.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's a great question, Yeah, and I'd love to hear
the truth serum answer on that one.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah. It has to have an effect. There's there's no
when you start talking. Look, there's there's a reason.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
There's a lot of reasons, but one of them they
don't want to spend all kinds of guaranteed money because
they don't want to get burned on somebody where their
life goes a different.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Way than they anticipated.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
The way they handle their job, the way they treat
playing football whatever you never know. And then and so
to see something like this, yeah, I'm sure it leaves
I'm sure it leaves an imprint, and I'm sure it
makes you think twice and say, you know what, maybe
it does suggest we should just kick this can down
the road and see what happens here and revisit all
of this in March.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Let's see what Ti Higgins season looks like.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
See what andre yoshibasch season look like, see what the
draft looks like. Let's see how we play without Jamar
for however long that goes down. Let's maybe reevaluate all
of it at that point, because they have different options.
If you are starting to get a little nervous about this,
do you think this is I mean, I think once
it's signed, I think you get the old Jamar back.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
I don't feel like there's a doubt about that, And
I never really I haven't really doubted his football working
personality at all, Like he's done all the right things
in that regard and benessa. So I don't think you're
doubting that, but you know you you do have to.
It certainly does enter the equation. And when something that

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seems very close on either side. Maybe here you wonder
if that shifts things a little bit in one direction.
But all we can do is really wonder in that regard.
Paul Danner Junior.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
From The Athletic and the Growler podcast, you did a
deep dive on the offense.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that today was out there?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
I thought I saw that myself, Jay, James Rapeene and
Jeff Hobson while kind of diving in on the offense.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Fun conversation.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Go get that, as we say, where you get your podcasts.
You've got your event on Thursday night. Thursday Night, Ben
MGM Downtown, Yep, which you want? All the other Bengals
media members, yep, we'll all be down there. It's gonna
be a good time.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's gonna be a great times of lots of good deals,
and we'll be previewing the season right up to the
start of Chiefs and Ravens. I'm curious who people are
rooting for. Okay, an answer to that, Yeah, I'm curious
if people are rooting for making Baltimore Bengals get two
cracks at them head to head. Yeah, Cincinnati goes to
Kansas City week two.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I want to knock. I don't want to knock them out.
But I want to be two and oh they're zero
to two settled. We're good settled. Then you get a
chance to play Baltimore twice.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Man, it's fair.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Traditionally you feel like the division champ. You kind of
want to stop. I just I You could make an
argument either way.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I mean, because I'm a glass half full guy, always
have been. I will go to bed on Thursday night
knowing one of those teams is oh to one?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Or do I root for a tie? Don't root for
a tie. Never root for a tie. It's a no
way to live.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I don't necessarily the beating wonders like either the Bengals
have a chance to start the AFC North Race if
they beat New England on Sunday as expected, a game
up on Baltimore, or they have a chance to go
up too on Kansas City week two if they.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Lose the first game.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Awesome, look at you think I'm already, But that's what
the season's about, right, win a title.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
What's the easiest way to win a title? Winning your division?
Skip a week and play all the games at home?
It's fair, yeah, no question.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
It is twenty minutes after three o'clock We're at Buffalo
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
They're handing out t shirts. You got one, I got one.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Look at that giving away tickets to the game on
Sunday Bengals Pats.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Rob Low style blows title in the NFL Low NFL logo.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, can't beat that, Glenda Milford Road right off, I
seventy one, Come on out?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Is is there anything else about your marchase? You want
to say?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Can't?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
What else is left? What else is left? I've been,
I've done, we did our podcast.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I did NFL radio today, I'm doing this and
and every time, you know, we spend way too much
time on it. And it's but I get it. I
mean I get it. Sure, I don't get it's just weird.
There's really only so much you can say at this
point other than we all wait, you know, and speculate.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I listened to I saw a clip on ESPN dot
com today because I was reading that Seth Wickersham Unbelieva,
which was terrific, great work.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Seth is gonna be on with this at four oh five.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
But like you know, you you click on the Bengals piece,
there's Ben Baby's work and then the Seth Wickersham piece,
and then there's like two videos from those shows where
they yell at each other on ESPN and there it's
all like you would think they're breaking new ground when
they're like, well, just gotta gotta find out is he
willing to miss a game or not?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Like, yeah, man, we've been saying that for two months
a long time, a long time. That's not new.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I did enjoy the Pat McAfee show today. Discovered the
TVs that were for sale in July, which is one
of my which was one of my favorite storylines by
the way, and I'm glad that it's kind of resurfaced
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Right. It's like, you know, yeah, being going on, I
want to know. I'd love to hear from folks who
grab one of those televisions. Yeah, does it work. Let's
see it. I'd like to set up let's see where
how did you use it?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, I want to know how many of them were
like the big tubes though, Like that's what I that's
what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And are you going back for the second round to
get more?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
That's right, we do have the depth chart, yes, I
think And you pointed this out on social media, Drew
sample is tight end one, I think.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, jumped off the page to a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Well, yeah, because you know you were just assuming Gasicki
would be in there, yes, and and be the number
one guy that can depth.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Charts are what they are, Like you can it's great
assault stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
But you can absolutely see them saying he's our tight end.
We're we the weapons are out there, like you don't
you know, Gisicki's not going to be that guy that's going.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
To be a threat to at the edge and the
run ging.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
So you can be out there and say, well, when
Gasiki comes in, it's because we've moved to twelve personnel
and he's basically the slot receiver and utilizing his size
in that regard and being a little bit bigger team.
You can see that being the rationale and saying, look,
we want somebody who can hammer in the run game
a little bit, who is a threat to pick up
a guy that's blitzing off the edge and is smart,

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and they can move him back what into the backfield
like they did it last year. They need to on
third downs pick up Liltz is all that stuff. The
way they use sample, I think that's a nod to
that that he's kind of a Swiss army knife in
the blocking regard, the same way they feel like they
have a lot of versatile pieces in the skill position regard.
And you can still get everybody else in there. And

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it is just a listing, but it was number one
thing that stood out to me for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Relative to.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I just think how his career has gone, which he's
gotten a second contract from this team, yeah, but how
under the radar he has flown for a position that
they they draft two of them, they signed one in
free agency.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
We've talked a lot about the evolution.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Of tight end with the Bengals, and this guy's gonna
start the season top the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. It is remarkable.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
I remember it was maybe year his second year maybe,
And Brian Callahan said to me, he said, you know,
you watch, he's gonna have a ten year career, and
it'd be one of the most quietest underappreciated players on
an entire roster, because these guys that just do with
so many of these little things that when they're not
done right, drive coaches mad, but don't really stand out
at all if you're just watching the game or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you know, the coaches.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Want that and they want to have a guy who
can do those types of things. And that showed up
last year. I mean, he obviously earned his money with
what he did last year. So yeah, but still still
didn't think i'd see sample over gets sicky necessarily, No,
not at all.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And then the other one is I think if I
would have said to you or anyone back in, man,
Dax Hill is going to be a top the depth
chart at the corner spot opposite Cam Taylor brand.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
To add in and you won't be surprised by it. Yeah,
that was the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, it's I don't want to say it's what stood
out least, but it wasn't until like I kind of
poured over it that I'm like, oh, yeah, and and
was just like, yeah, based on what I saw, you
saw a lot more. Obviously, based on what I saw,
that makes total sense.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
But good for that dude, great, like I mean good,
good for him. It didn't work out last year.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
He changes positions, he had a little bit of an
uphill battle. He had to beat out another guy that
I think they think very highly of. It's a crowded position, and.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And he gets the starting gig. We spent a lot
of man, we.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Spent a lot of time talking about him. But you
know it does deserve in this moment to reflect and
be said how much he handled this the right way
and very easily could have not. He could have salt,
he could have been mad. He could have demanded a trade.
He could have done a hold him, He could have
held in.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
He could have said, I mean think, I mean that.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
You know you don't play me My first year, I
play in Saty, and now you're replacing me a medium
my next year, you're moving me somewhere I've never really
been before.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
But he didn't.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
He said, then I'm gonna be the best outside cornerack
and me I'm gonna win this job, and I'm gonna
attack it and he did, and I think he's I
think he may have found a home there. We'll see
how he plays this year, but he's looked at home there,
He's looked comfortable there, and his athleticism shows up there.
But for him to approach it this way and to
win this job, kudos to him because he was very

(23:19):
frustrated the last couple of years and he was able
to put all that stuff aside and kind of refocus
and you know, scapegoated last year.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, to be honest, yeah, he was scapegoaded.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
For last year and everything that went wrong, put that aside,
said you tell me where to go play coach, and
went out there and won that job handily. And so
credit to him for doing it the right way and
for his sake and everything that's happened to him.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I do I hope that he holds a gu I mean,
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
In the last week of July when they were starting
out that it felt like he had that.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Much of a chance to be the number one now
a pill battle for sure, but then before too long
it was a parent that he was playing at a
higher level.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Uh. I have a couple more things well good, they're
not Jamar Chase. I wasn't gonna leave yet. Well, no,
I was internally trying to think, do I want to
ask about why some much ip Frind's not going near kids? Question?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
But I gotta get a break in first. Or Buffalo
Wild Wings in Blue Ash. It's like I just started
doing this today, Glenndelle Milford. I have to put on
this T shirt for the folks at pud Light.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Sure, it's gonna look good on it is boys,
That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
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Speaker 1 (24:36):
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they won on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Can they go here?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
We go September to remember the Reds. Yeah, if the
Reds were ever good again, the litmus test I was.
I was there for nineteen innings on Friday.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Wow, you did the double. I was with double. I
was with you for the afternoon game.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
When it was fourteen nothing of the ninth inning and
David Bell was having to visit the mound to talk
to Luke Maley.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I was there. I was there.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
That was like, what was your litmus test for the Bengals.
Wasn't it the Jaguars snow game?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
It used to be the Jaguars Snow game?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
And then it became Christmas Was it the Christmas Eve
game against Detroit?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Then it became Christmas Eve against Detroit. Yeah, and then
it finally turned into the last game of the season
after they had already clinched the top pick twenty nineteen,
A thirty five free drubbing oh at the hands of
the Browns.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah. That was not pretty, was it? The Browns? Yeah?
Baker Mayfield Yeah. Wow. Well, there's there's been a lot
of those. There's been a few moments. I've got some
litmus tests. Litmus test is it's it's hard to talk.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
That Detroit game, by the way, is one where I
literally literally went and sat in the seats to write
about the people that were here and those I was like,
this is your fan base. Yeah, they're going nowhere. It
doesn't get lower than this. This is your fan base.
And ever since then up it's going.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Christmas Eve with a seven month old. The conversation I
had that morning with my wife was interesting, you're gonna
go to that?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah? Yeah, I think I am. I think I am.
Are you gonna stay for the whole game? Yeah? I
think I am. It's Christmas Eve. They won, they did,
they won, they did.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's how you justify it, Uh, save Marvin Big college
football note, Dante Corleone has been cleared to return for
U see and if you watch their run defense against Towson,
Bearcats won the game and a lot of good stuff
did happen. But if you watch the run defense against
Towson and you understand what they have coming to Nippert
Stadium on Saturday, and if you just understand how good
of a player times take cor leon and as you know,

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how huge of a positive development that is for the Bearcats.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Future Cincinnati Bengal don't take me, sign me up for that. Yeah, yeah,
they might need him.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Uh level of surprise that Samaj p Ryan were you
was it more surprised that he didn't come to Cincinnati
or jarring that it was Chiefs that he ends up with.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I know, I think I think that I think
probably that he didn't come to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It seemed such a natural obvious fit.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
He they had interest, he had interests like both sides
I think.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Agreed that this would be a good deal.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
The Chiefs, I'm not I'm not gonna say they came
out of nowhere because they've had issues. But you know,
it's funny we how long have we talked about Clyde
Edwards Hilaire and he ends up being the reason that
Samaj p Ryan Ran goes to Kansas City because Clyde
Edwards Hilaire ended up on n FI for them, and
there's a whole lot of stuff going on with him.
Opened up this spot to be a third down and

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he's gonna play immediate and they always got families near there,
and they were able to stay close to home and
get a big I mean, to be a running back
in the Chiefs offense has been a pretty.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Solid spot and he was really a bigger role that
he could.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Had set in front of him there than he would
have had if he came here, and he would have
been how are we going to fit you in between
the other two guys you really like? And so it
makes sense why he ended up there. But I don't
think people saw the Chiefs coming in that quickly and
that aggressively after p Run.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'll acknowledge. I'm not even sure I until I looked
at his numbers from last year. It went poorly in
Denver for the team. It's not like he had a
non productive season. They caught more passes there last year
than he did in any season in the Bengals uniform.
But he could still play. He was solid, He was solid.
He just became expensive. And they really liked their three
young running backs. And when they when they drafted, they

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get from under Dame in whatever round that was fourth rown.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
It kind of put the riding on the wall just
monetarily that they were going to save that money.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
So he has what like one rushing when receiving touchdown
Week two, just because that's.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's no question central role in that game. None.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
What's you and I? You and I both know that's happening.
I am curious as to why kJ Henry was available. Yes,
from the Washington commands. So was our athletic guy that
covers the commanders.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Uh, they you know, he was running with their second
group all off season and all through preseason and played
really well in the preseason. I mean he was equivalent
of what like Joseph Osai would be here, you know,
as far as where he was on the depth chart
for them and how he was playing.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
They were, you know.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
But the problem that you get Adam Peters comes in
there in Washington and now my guy right drafted the
year before, so now something he didn't like about him.
Who knows, maybe he just once is I don't know
how that happened. I don't know enough about the dynamics
of what's going on there, but it does make sense
why they would take a shot on somebody who was
drafted last year, appears to have gotten better every time

(30:03):
he's strapped him on, and is still young and kind
of an ascending potential talent.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So yeah, I mean, you never know.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, it's still a guy who really played well
in the preseason. In one of his sacks is when
the Patriots decided not to block anybody and run into
each other instead, So you don't you don't know one
hundred percent how it's gonna turn out, but there's a
lot of potential there. He certainly makes a ton of
sense for a guy they need right now. While Miles
Murphy's on it.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, I or texted a guy who does what I
do in Washington and said, like, is kJ Henry a
turt or something like what's the problem here? And he's like, no,
I had no idea why they cut him.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I think the Bengals have something there, I think, especially
for what they're looking for.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, you know, rotate him in with those those other
edge guys.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, I mean right now, when you've got Cedric Johnson
is the fourth guy.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Right now, you have Cam Sample Miles Murphy. Both go down.
They're looking for a little bit extra and see what
you get.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Because every team has the biggest concern. The athletic canvas
is the thirty two people who covers Pacific team and
the biggest concern and as you put it, I think
on social media, first world problems. Yeah, but it's it's
this team against the run, which is something you and
I talked about. I just I think they're gonna be
bad against the run. You listed that as their biggest concern.

(31:14):
I think they're gonna be bad against the run. I'm
I certainly wish they weren't, But I don't think that's
gonna torpedo. I don't think that's gonna define what they
are defensively. I think it's all about those guys on
the back end in terms of judging how they are
from last year to this.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, and you know, I think they'll play. It'll come
into play in division games. In particular, we saw what
happened in the Aps New York last year where they
just they got trounced in the trenches often and the
line of scrimmage got moved four yards more often than
it should. And I still think that's an issue that

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they have to get figured out.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It doesn't feel like they addressed it as much as
you would like at the defensive tackle position. That also,
you know you're right though, I it's as long as
you're not a total train wreck.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
If you can get after the passer and and and
have good cover guys and play from ahead like you
plant a bunch, you can mitigate that risk.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
It doesn't have to be that bad.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
The question is also can they also get after the
passer as much as they need to. You know, you
like the the the addition of rankings in that regard
because I feel like that was really so much of
what was missing. And I do think they have depth
at that defensive imposition, especially once Murphy comes back to
do different things where you're you're maybe putting him out
there and kicking Hubbard inside or whatever you're doing there.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
But they that needs to be if you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Be if you're not gonna be great against the run,
you better get after the passer pretty consistently.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so that that needs to be the case.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
And that's and that's the best way you know to
to assure that it doesn't end up really really killing you.
But the defense isn't gonna be what carries this team.
Like the defense is where the holes are. This is
gonna be a team that ascends if they get where
they want to get because they have.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
A top five off and they have an okay defense. Yeah,
and that that equation, I'm fine works give me League
average across the board. Defensively, yep.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Although I don't think they can get there against the run,
I think they can get their explosive plays pass rush defense,
not as many mistackles that sort of stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Absolutely, and that's you know, I kind of wrote this
and we talked about this on the Defensive preview pod
that we did, and that story I had it on
Monday on how they just feel like just stabilizing the
communication with von Bell and Ginostone and the massive strides
they've seen in that over the course of not just
the offseason, but even week tweaken camp to where they're
in a really good place with.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
That right now.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Changes so much of even the run game stuff where
stuff just gets out the backside because someone's not anticipating something.
They're they're anticipating and seeing the next step far more often,
where last year they were just trying to even get
they were behind on getting the first step even in
and that makes such a difference in how fast your
linebackers play, your ability to keep plays from getting out

(33:58):
that shouldn't get out of And guys, you know, if
you watched last year.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Just running wide open in space, and so.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
If you just take that away, you get back to
you get back to normal, and then you can build.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Off of that. And you wrote about von Bell and communication, yep.
And I think I brought this up on that podcast.
When I think of lose defenses his first few years,
I think.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Of no assignment errors, nobody in the wrong spot, nobody
trying to do too much.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Make them earn it, make them earn it.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
And with the improved communication, with the return of vonn Bell,
I just I feel like we're going to see the
return of a defense that is going to have its deficiencies,
but doesn't do some of the things that was guilty
of doing last year.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
And that regard smart football players, you know be stoned too.
I mean, who just have shown that shown that savvy
to understand what's coming, having knack for the ball, anticipate
things goes a long way, and especially when you when
you combine that with the potential and a couple of
things at play. Their schedule is just a lot of
quarterbacks that are probably going to turn it over a

(34:55):
bunch this year. Young guys experienced offenses, poor offensive lines
from in the first part of the season and expectations
to play from ahead. Against those types of teams, you
can really turn people over. You can really get that
turnover momentum going early in the season, and that's something
that we've seen carry throughout seasons here.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
You can't bank on that.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Specifically from year to year, but I do think the
types of players they have. We saw that run from
Cam Taylor Britt last year, you know where he had
those interceptions in that stretch before his injury. Gino Stone
had all those interceptions in Baltimore. You know, Von Bellis
had a career high for interceptions last season.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
He was here, right.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean, these are guys that can do that and
can create that, and then they should be in places
situationally to try to do that.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's the optimistic view.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
If you don't get turnovers, you know you're you can
be in a bad spot and you don't want to
have to rely on that.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
But I do think they're a bilt to create them.
I need your take on an important development on Sunday.
Oh yeah, when we come back. Okay, we're Buffalo Wild
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Speaker 3 (35:58):
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(36:21):
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Bengals play the Patriots, who have a very good chance
to end up with the number one overall pick in
the twenty twenty five NFL draft.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
They sure do.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
That offensive roster is awful, and defensively they traded away
Matthew Judon.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean, they've got it's it's hard that I
was talking to Ben Volden from the Boston Globe for
the podcast today and I was just like, after he
went on for about twelve minutes about just how awful
everything is there right now, he pointed out, so what's
the path, What's what's the path to them winning actually
winning some games?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So I think if they can.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Get three yards in a cloud of dust and the
other team decimated by injuries, I think they've got a
chance to get to win some games. So that's that's
pretty much where they're at with it. They have no weapons,
no passing game. They're putting Jacoby Brusse out out there
because they don't want Drake Man. Offensive line is really bad.
kJ Henry will be delighted to potentially get in there

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against the team that just ran into each other rather
than book him and let.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Him get the sack.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
That it's that, you know, Ramandre Stevenson is the running back.
You know, there's there is not a lot to brand
new coaching staff. All of Van Pelt is there as
the as the OC. Now everything is new. We're you know,
you're going on the road to a Bengals team that
has continuity coming out the Wazoo. It's it's you can't

(37:51):
lose this game and it really honestly can't be close,
no at all.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean that's the This is the ultimate. It's only
a lose lose like right, there's really really.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Just you just need to go go win and don't
worry about it. But the only bad thing, the only
thing can happen is something really bad.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
This this feels like Week one for a college football
team when they're playing an FCS upon on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Dan Hurley of the Yukon Husky's two.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Time defending national champions, Yeah, will be the ruler of
the jungle.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
He was a hardcore looks like a real Bengals No
real bag, I mean like a real you know.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Dan horde has told the story of you see being
at an NCAA tournament site with Rhode Island when Dan
Hurley was the coach there and like Dan coming up
to him, Dan coming up to Dan Horden asking him
like about, you know, is.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
This guy gonna make the team? And what about this?
Why didn't they Are they gonna draft this guy?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Like that guy is he's on one of these celebrity fans.
That's Oh yeah, I'm a Bengals fan. Like Dan Hurley
would pass a few of those litmus tests a bunch
of them. Yeah, I know him and then his family,
his kids are really into it. They've become kind of
Bengals fans together. I had him on our podcast this
summer after the twenty twenty season, after.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Bros rookie year.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, he was talking then about out like you know,
just I I understand. I feel like I have a
good understanding of you can see the leadership. I feel
like you can see the way people were responding to
him and the way that he you could you could
feel it and Uh, he was right, you know he
was he was right about that. And and but he
tells a story about how he's been a fan forever
and absolute die hard screaming and yelling at the TV,

(39:18):
just like he screams and yells at the refs and
and pretty much the same, uh, the same kind of intensity.
I wouldn't mind watching a game with dinner. They'd be
curious if with the level of like is like in
the living room compared to this.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I would like to see that.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I I am kind of curious because you know, they're
in the same league as Xavior, and you you see fans,
I mean they got mad when John Calipari throughout the
first pitch in the Reds game. How many area college
basketball fans who attend on Sunday will boo him? Like
some more will to be just such euphoria over the
seasons about to start that, Like, I could be the

(39:50):
rule of the just too busy yelling who day they're
saying them, they're saying who, they're extending the Yeah, that's little.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I think it's I think it's a cool. I think
it's great.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
I mean, I mean, the guy was the most popular
coach and all of the sporting The Lakers are trying
to lure him. I mean, he's two time national, he
loves the mangles. I think it's better than some of
the other people we seek show up to do ceremonial
things around town.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
They don't even know where it's city.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
There is no doubt about it. I'm not gonna boo him,
but I I think I I there are people in
my orbit that I think will There's gonna be Kentucky
fans that are mad that he didn't go there. We're
gonna be Xavier fans that they're in the Big East,
AND's gonna be UC fans. They bow anybody who's not
their coach, and in many cases they.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bow him, you know, boo boo.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
When they tried out the influencers and all the other
random people that then I'm doing this stuff. That's fine,
but the guy who's the coach, the guys will got
two national titles celebrate.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Okay, next time, I'm gonna find out who those influencers are.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
You want to see good booed, you have to go.
I mean whatever, thank you for joining that boo is
a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
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Speaker 2 (40:55):
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Speaker 5 (41:01):
Florida State fell out of the AP College Football Poll
after an zero to two start to the season, only
the third team to go from a preseason top ten
to unranked in the first regular season poll since the
rankings expanded to twenty five in nineteen eighty nine. Forty
nine Ers All Pro left tackle Trent Williams pulledouts over
the sides are finalizing a deal. He missed all of
training camp as part of his contract dispute. The Niners

(41:22):
open up the season at home versus the Jets in
six days. No worries for the team, though, regarding Williams
for Monday Night Notes, Our Harry Douglas, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
He's a veteran. He's thirty six years old.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
So if you can count on anyone being in tip
top shape and ready for the season outside of football,
it's going to be a guy in Trent Williams. You know,
football is football because you're consistently contacting defensive players and
that's a part.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Of being in shape. I just don't feel like.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
They're going to be on a pitch count because they
trust Trent Williams so.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Much Harry Douglas as the Jets prepare for that game.
Defensive end Hassan Reddick remains a holdout. Coach Robert Sala
again today not ruling out Reddick if he shows up
this week and ends his holdout.

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Speaker 2 (42:33):
Sixty three yards. The magic is bad.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Time for Joe Burrow and his boys to put on
the shock rush the patch like an empty beer can
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Speaker 2 (42:55):
All right, it's up five that before excuse me.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty on my record broadcast to
the Safer from the Buffalo Wild Wings in Blue Ash
terrific piece came out over the weekend on ESPN, written
by Seth Wickersham. And I'm kind of curious, and we're
gonna get Seth on here in just a second. But
it's basically about Jake Browning. Now think about this. Seth

(43:19):
has covered the league forever. He has written some of
the most definitive pieces about the New England Patriots you
will ever read, and yet decides to write a piece
about a guy who is a backup quarterback. And it's
a really good interesting look at Jake, his ascension from
what he was about a year ago to now a
guy that I think we feel like if he had
to play the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Would be at least okay.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
And I think more importantly his working in personal relationship
with Joe Burrow. If you have not read it, I
have tweeted it out or put it out there on
x at Moeggar.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's easy to find on ESPN dot com. It is
a very good read.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And I've been a fan of Seys for a long time,
so to get him on the show is very very cool.
I know you're busy, so I appreciate you joining us.
At first of all, thank you for writing a Bengals
piece from a national perspective. That's not about Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
It's a welcome relief, my pleasure. Guys, thanks for having uh.
I appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
So you you sit down to write a piece and
do the work on a piece on Jake Browning, who
maybe right now, because he's not a starting quarterback for
some might be a little bit of an afterthought. What
compelled you to focus on him?

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Well, So the past two years I've been working on
a book on quarterbacks that'll be out mercifully in a year,
and so I've really been immersed in that in that world.
And last December, I was watching Monday Night Football along
with you know, sixteen million people whatever it was, when

(44:53):
you know, Jake got that his first career start in primetime.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
He had obviously started.

Speaker 9 (44:59):
To week before, but this is his first career start.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
On national television and you know, sent the Jaguars home
with that overtime win. And after the game he was
interviewed and he said, you know, I've learned how to
play calm.

Speaker 9 (45:12):
And you know, my repertorial.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Antenna went up when he said that, because.

Speaker 9 (45:19):
Other quarterbacks noticed it. You know, they know how hard
that is.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
That is something that not a lot of not a
lot of people can do, and I wanted to know
how how he did it, how he was able to
You know that he had gone five years without playing live.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
Football in a meaningful games.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
And I wanted to know how someone who came from
his pedigree and had so much high school and college
success and obviously had been barely hanging on in the
NFL taught himself how to do that, and how he
and what elements of that he was able to take
from Joe Burrow, you know, stuff that Burrow himself had

(46:02):
learned that turns out that it's, you know, not just
exclusive to one of the game's best quarterbacks, but actually
transferable if you have the ability and the stamina to
try to learn it.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
You You've covered a lot of quarterbacks and a lot
of teams in this league, and you know there's always there,
always has to be a working relationship between the starting
QB and his and his backups, and you know it's
it's born out of respect and wanting the best for
the team. I don't know, and you could speak to
this obviously far better than I. I'm not sure there
are as many relationships like the one that you sort

(46:35):
of tap into with Joe and Jake around the NFL.
It seems and feels genuine, and so I was wondering
if you could speak to that.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Yeah, And I mean backups tend to fall into two categories.
They either tend to be the kind of old stage
veteran who's been through a lot and seen a lot
of stuff and can essentially be that that therapist for
this starter, or they're like a young guy who's gunning
for the job.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
And when Browning came into Cincinnati, he was neither.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
I mean, he had been on a practice squad and
just got cut, and you know he was he got
signed by the Bengals, and even though Zach Taylor told
him that they like to invest in their practice squad guys,
he was.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
Very dated at that point in his career.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
And I think that he was, you know, thinking like, Hey,
I'm just going to show them what I know about
the Minnesota Vikings, who of course were the bengals upcoming opponent,
and hope that when they inevitably cut me as a quarterback,
they'll keep me on as a maybe they'll give me
a gig as like an entry level coach. So in

(47:44):
the quarterback meetings and in the defensive backs meetings and
in the meetings with all the coaches.

Speaker 9 (47:49):
He was just going through the vikings roster.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
I think he felt like he knew more about the
vikings than anybody in the building.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
And he was really just trying to help Burrow. And
that extended into the game, and after the game, Burrow
said to him, Hey, you know, keep keep talking to
me on the sidelines. You know, nobody really does that.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
You know, they kind of let me do do my thing,
and you know, it was really helpful.

Speaker 9 (48:13):
And that was interesting to me for two reasons. Number one,
that did Brownie.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Had found a way to make himself valuable so quickly.

Speaker 9 (48:21):
But number two that Burrow was kind of on an island.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
And the more I learned about Burrow through Jake Browning,
the more I realized that a.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
Lot of that is by design.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, it's you do a really good job of illustrating
and it's interesting, you know, from from Jake's perspective. Seth
Wickersham from ESPN is with us. Read the piece on
Jake Browning at ESPN dot com. It is very much
worth your while. Jake takes over the offense for essentially
the second half of the season last year, the offense

(48:55):
still functions, they stay in the playoff hunt. There are
a lot of people watching him going, god, you know what,
are there really thirty two quarterbacks in the NFL better
than him? But it's not like he gets a chance
to hit free agency. He's back with the team that
they have no real interest in trading him because you know,
his position is important. And let's face it, Joe Burrow's
got an injury track record, and Jake has not been

(49:17):
shy about like, I'm in a tough spot because unfortunately,
look at the guy that I'm behind, and yet he
has a desire that he wants to be a starter,
a belief certainly that he can be a starter. In
your opinion, is Jake Browning a starting caliber quarterback?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
And you know his it happens every year, right where
a guy gets hurt, a backup comes on and not
only you know, proves to be competent, but kind of
shows a little magic.

Speaker 9 (49:43):
And Jake was able to do that.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
And you know, again, a lot of it he got
from watching Burrow and stuff that Burrow had trained himself
to do. I'll give you you know, I think one
of the things the Bengals do really well is they
find a balance between depending on.

Speaker 9 (49:59):
Their core and taking pressure off of him.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
And there was a story that both Zach Taylor and
Jake Browning told me that I thought was fascinating, even
though on its surface it's very mundane. And that's been
in training camp a couple of years ago. Browning was
throwing timing routes. All the quarterbacks were. Browning drops back
to pass the receiver's slow out of the break, and

(50:23):
Browning holds onto the ball for a bead, waiting for
the receiver to get his feet, and then throws.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
It to him and doesn't think anything of it.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Later on that day, Taylor calls Browning into his office
and he pulls up a clip of the throw and
he says, I got to talk to you about this.

Speaker 9 (50:39):
This is going to get you into some bad habits.
You know, you've got to throw the ball on time.
It's the receiver's job to be where he's supposed to be.
And Browning of course.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
Is thinking like, yeah, if I had thrown that pass
and it was intercepted, that's my career right there. Like
you know, backups are just so conditioned to being beaten
down that any mistake could cost of their career, and
Zach Taylor had had to learn that lesson himself when
he was in Nebraska. It was a watershed lesson for

(51:09):
him when he was there on a similar type of route,
and Taylor essentially said to him, I know what you're thinking.
I know that you think this could cost you your career.

Speaker 9 (51:20):
But I'm the head coach, I'm the play caller, and
I'm telling you I want you throwing the ball on time.
That's the only thing that matters here. And I think that.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
It was Browning told me it was the greatest, you know,
interaction he's ever had with a coach, because here was
a coach who understood the stresses that quarterbacks put on
each other and on themselves, and that sometimes organizations and
cities put on themselves. And he was basically just trying
to remove that as best he could. And I think

(51:50):
that when Brownie got a chance to play, stuff like
that really came into play. In addition to watching Joe
Burrow prepare for games and essentially learning how to be
a vague vaguely sociopathic.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
That's well, but it's remarkable we've gone from you know,
a year ago at this time watching the biggest story
of camp was is it going to be Trevor Simeon
or Jake Browning? And if it's Jake Browning, do you
really trust him enough to put him in the game?
And now he's a guy who has a feature written
about him by you on ESPN dot com. I appreciate

(52:26):
you doing this on short notice. I love the piece,
huge fan of your work. Means a lot that you
came on set. Thanks so much, my pleasure.

Speaker 9 (52:33):
Have a great day, guys.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Most definitely Seth Wickersham. His piece on Jake Browning is good.
It's about Jake Browning, but there's a lot of Joe
Burrow in it and a lot about the relationship between
Joe and Jake that.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
You will like.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
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We've got Bengals Patriots tickets thanks to our friends at
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for the last I'll say twenty five years. It is

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remarkable how quickly the Patriots have fallen to a point
that you look at that roster that is maybe a
three or four win team, especially in that division where
the expectation is that the Bills are really good, that
the Dolphins could still be good if Aaron Rodgers stays healthy,
which is an entirely different issue on to itself. That

(55:29):
those are three better teams than New England. I think
the Patriots are going to have a hard time winning
a game in the AFC East.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Just look at that roster.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I write betting columns for Forbes, and I'll get a
game or two a week that they assign me to,
and it's pretty simple. I got to write about the
game from a gambling perspective, and you just look at
that Patriots roster. I'm not even focusing specifically on this
game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
It is Week one.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Weird things sometimes do tend to happen week one.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
How are they gonna score?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Jacobe Burssett at quarterback, Terrible offensive line, maybe.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
The worst collection of skilled players in the league.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I think defensively they have a chance to at least
be okay. They were great against the run last year.
They also traded away Matthew Judah, so this does have
I hate the comparison, but this does have a very
very slight FBS versus FCS feel Week one, which you

(56:28):
might argue is the perfect run up before you have
to go to Kansas City a week from Sunday. Speaking
of FBS versus FCS, you see on Saturday got some
really good quarterback play from Brendan Sorosby and good offensive
line play and Sowersby. You know, you could say what
you want about the opponent they played. We saw him

(56:50):
make a throw on Cincinnati's first drive for a touchdown.
That was the sort of throw that Emery Jones missed
time and again last year. It was, as somebody put
it on social media, a site for sore eyes. He
looked in command of the offense. And again it's against Towson.
So take everything that you see with a grain of salt.
But I think offensively there was more to like than

(57:11):
there was to not like. Defensively, look, coming into the season,
my big concern, I mean not even my biggest concern, uh,
the biggest concern of Scott Sadderfield by his odin mission
was the run defense and the loss of Dante Corleone
at the start of the season, other injuries up front,

(57:33):
lack of depth, plus scheme. They're playing a three three five,
Are they going to be susceptible to well against the run?
And the answer against Towson, unfortunately was yes. Now, they
played it pretty basic, they played it pretty vanilla. You
never got the sense that they were going to lose
the game. But still Towson in that football game, often

(57:57):
on downs where you knew they were going to be
running a times did whatever they want. They averaged over
five yards of carry one ninety four on the ground,
gave them some long runs on plays where Townsand wasn't
doing anything special, and so that's concerning. So were the
big plays, especially in the first half. Towson had five
plays of over twenty yards. Cincinnati was fifth worst in

(58:19):
FBS college football a season ago in big plays, allow
plays of over twenty yards or more. So that's got
to be rectified. It wasn't against Townson. They did get
good news today. Corleone is coming back. So the Godfather
is set to make his return, and not a moment
too soon. They played Pittsburgh. Obviously, Cincinnati beat Pittsburgh. You

(58:42):
could take a year ago, you could take what pitt
did in their opener against Kent State with a grain
of salt. But they ran the ball very, very well
against the Golden Flashes. Pittsburgh ran it for over six
yards of Carrie the Western Carolina transfer excuse me, Desmond Reid,

(59:02):
who also had a pumper turn for a touchdown, had
one hundred and forty five yards on the ground on
just fourteen carries. You could do the math there. Bearcats
have to be better against the run stands the reason,
Dante Corleone. They stand a chance to be better against
the run. We'll see if that's the case on Saturday.
I've said this now for a couple of months, whether

(59:24):
it's hitting the over, which for the Bearcats coming into
the season was five and a half, or getting to
Bowl eligibility, I have kind of felt like that a
lot of things hinge on this game on Saturday, Cincinnati
versus Pittsburgh. I've kind of called it a coin flip.
Maybe that's not the best way to put it, but

(59:47):
I feel like if they win this one the Miami game,
which is not going to be easy. RedHawks defense did
hold up very well against Northwestern on Saturday, but it's winnable,
and you could argue the barricad that should be at
least a slight favorite in that game. You win this one,
you win that one, you're gonna feel I think, okay
about their chances of getting off to a four and

(01:00:09):
oh or five and oh start Cincinnati, by the way,
for what it's worth, depending on your book, I'm looking
at him right now on FanDuel and they've got him
as a two and a half point favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Uh, lose this one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
First of all, there's gonna be a mini fan revolt,
uh for a fan base that is already sort of skeptical.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I guess about Scott's sadderfield. Uh, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I think it's almost not gonna matter what they do
in Big twelve play well see that anyways. Scott Sadafield
talk today about Dante Corleon's return.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Here's what he had to say. Who's like Dante getting cleared?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
What's the uh, what's the the boost and morale upstairs
on the seventh floor when you get that word?

Speaker 10 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I mean it's it's, you know, obviously excited for Dante.
I think, you know, Dante's been really working really hard
this summer and throughout all August as we as we've
been mentioning, you know, just waiting to get the ok
to go play. And for him, I mean, he's so
excited to be able to opportunity to wear a black
jersey at practice and to be able to go out

(01:01:13):
and do the things that everybody else is doing. And uh,
you know, I think obviously he's a great player, and
you want to have him out there. But more than anything,
it's it's his presence. Presence is his leadership. Uh, it's
being able to go out and play with his teammates.
I mean that's what he wants, and you know, so
I think more than anything, that's what we're excited about
to be able to let him go out there and
do what he loves to do. And so you know

(01:01:36):
it's going to be it be awesome to see the
big boy go out and go out there and play.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Been practicing, but he hasn't been hitting, that's right. How
soon can he adjust or can he just roll out
of it and plow people? Well, I mean that remains
to be seen, right.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
I mean we're gonna take it day by day and
to see how practice goes today and you know as
as we go throughout the rest of the week. I
mean it's it's still you know, it's still going to
be a day to day thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
But I do know he's worked really hard.

Speaker 10 (01:02:00):
I mean, as you mentioned, I mean, he hadn't done
the eleven on eleven work, but he's you know, he's
worked individually on some pads and some you know, working his.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Hands, in his feet and all the different things. I mean,
that's not real football as we know.

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
But but I think, you know, he's been playing it
for most of his life, so I feel like he'll
be able to step right in and be able to go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
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Against the Patriots.

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No news is not good news as it relates to
Jamar Chase. As Paul Danner Junior said, there are a
lot of folks who might tell you they have inside
info or this is a franchise, the Bengals that has historically,
whether you like it or not, been very close to
the vest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It is a player who is not saying anything. Anybody
who says.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
They know how this is gonna unfold in the coming
days with Jamar Chase, I think is frankly making it up.
Bengals do play the Patriots on Sunday at one, with
or without Jamar Chase. Game is live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Pre game coverage starts at nine oh five. Dante Corleone
cleared to return for you see the Bearcats getting set
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Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
It does not.

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loss to open up the season. It's been embarrassing losing
to a Boston College last night. Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama,
Notre Dame one through five, Irish with a big road
win against Texas A and M on Saturday night. Speaking
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Major League Soccer Player of the Match Day for Match
Day thirty. He was terrific two goals. His first goal
in the fifty third minute on a free kick and
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Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I saw this on on social media. I will admit to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I don't watch or listen to a ton of the
Pat McAfee show. And that's not because I dislike his
show or dislike Pat McAfee.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Number one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
It's on at a time slot where I'm usually listening
to Tony and Austin number two. I'm not sure this
show is aimed at me, but I love the idea
behind the show is we're gonna laugh at and make
fun of a lot of stuff happening in sports, which
I'm at thousand percent here for. I catch a lot
of the clips, some of which I love, some of
which aren't aimed at me, and so I don't catch

(01:06:38):
those But Bengals get made fun of for a lot
of stuff. A lot of that stuff is deserved. And
when they, you know, do the thing that they're doing
with Jamar Chase, it invites a lot of criticism, some
of which is fair, some of which is deserved, some
of which is very unfair. Like the narrative that the
Bengals won't pay their players. They literally have the richest

(01:07:01):
quarterback in the league right now, Like they got the
dude who's making more money than anybody who's ever played
the sport. They have a long track record of paying
their absolute best players who play the positions that matter
the most. There have been some complimentary pieces who play
those positions that have gotten away. You know, for instance,
they paid aj Green, They didn't pay Marvin Jones and

(01:07:23):
Mohammed Sanu, but they paid the guy who is the
absolute best at what he is. They've also paid some
complimentary players like Tyler Boyd got a nice second contract
with this team, four years, forty eight million dollars and so.
But they've paid those players when they have a year
left on their deal. Jamar Chase has two years left
on his deal. Do I think they should go ahead

(01:07:44):
and pay him, yes, which we're gonna get to here
in just a bit. But because of their history and
because they've they've had moments of just sheer frugality in
the past. Whenever the Bengals and money gets brought up,
they get dragged through the mall. Sometimes that dragging is deserved,
Oftentimes it isn't. So I saw this clip from the

(01:08:06):
Pat McAfee show, and I will admit to having not
had a chance to watch this three minutes in its entirety.
Obviously we're not gonna watch it. We're gonna listen to it.
But a number of months ago, Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
County big part of what goes silent because there is
cursing any there's cursing in it. Have we have we
bleeped at the cursing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I didn't get a chance, all right, but will you
ensure that the cursing doesn't air?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
I know the spot with a cursing, so oh pie, all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Right, thank you good. I don't I don't want to
get fined or fired. I need this job.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
So a number of months ago, Hamilton County sold some
of the old TVs at the venue originally known as
Paul Brown Stadium, and I think they had two different
sales people lined up. The TVs were sold at a discount.
They were not sold with remote controls. They were bought
as is. I'm sure some of them worked great. I'm

(01:09:01):
willing to bet some of them didn't work so great
that I had no real interest in going and buying one.
But that's that's because I hate lines, uh, And I
don't need a TV right now, so I'm good. But
you know, if you bought one of those televisions and
you're thinking like, it's kind of cool. I got a
TV that was inside the stadium, awesome. And if that's
not your thing, that's okay too, I guess Pat and

(01:09:23):
the guy with the cowboy hat and the other people
on his show were making fun of the Bengals for
selling the TVs. Can you give me without the words
that will get us fined or fired?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Can you give me Terrence some of that audio?

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
Yes, the Cincinnati Banngals are really selling us TVs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
From their stand right eye is that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:49):
It's not a bad idea, especially if you're moving into
a new place. Yeah, God, sixty bucks eighty five inch TV?
How can I get that eighty five ship? Says George.
George George on tap God loves Bears, Yeah, loves bear scamplain,
we don't know if that's real.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Nod. That was Daniels Glorio's reporting it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:09):
All right, so sixty bucks boys, we'll take ten of
the eighty five.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, we will take ten of those. We'll give a
few away. Obviously this goes in we'll give away okay,
Oh no, is that? Are we just ducking it for
the bad words? We're playing more one giveaway?

Speaker 10 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I guess Ben sold another one hundred and fifty
will be available.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Let's get business out, Jamar. Ch should see this and
be pretty pumped up. Yeah, they're at least trying to,
you know, next day, get that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:38):
We sold two thousand TVs yesterday, Jamar. So that means
that we can get to the number you were asking for.
You said one penny more. Well, we had to sell
three eighty five inch TV yesterday. I hope you understand.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
That's hilarious because because they were looking around the stadium,
what what can we sell?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Thanks to get this.

Speaker 11 (01:10:53):
U TVs from Bengal Stadium are being sold cheap. Who
they say, they go and buy them TVs as a renovation.
Can vns' is a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Pay Corse Stadium.

Speaker 11 (01:11:01):
Having the cincinnatiank was a power of that be and
Hamilton County of powered down a bunch of televisions and
they're seldom VIEWCPO dot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Com or on your side.

Speaker 11 (01:11:07):
Two our monitors have been sold in another one hundred
and fifty will be available this week. The televisions are
being sold at a steep discount, with the ranges from
thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
To sixty bucks.

Speaker 11 (01:11:16):
The highest price can get a screen from fifty six
to eighty five inches. That's quite a wide range there.
It begins on July thirteenth at eighty am Eastern. It's
happening at pay Corse Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
The sales so all right, so they at least acknowledged
the story came out in July.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
So they did this twice. They had a sale in
early June. They had another one in in July.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
First of all, the televisions weren't sold by the Bengals. Well,
Mike Brown, wasn't you know out there like you know
some used television salesman on the pay Corpse Stadium concourse
hawking Old televisions that the sale was done by Hamilton
County because they're renovating the stadium and putting new TVs in,
And I didn't go to either preseason game, but I

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did go to the Luke hol Homes concert and the
new TVs look cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Stadium looks great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
They've done a really nice job taking a place which
used to be this big, concrete, sort of ugly dingy bowl,
and they've pumped some life into it and some vibrancy.
And is it ever gonna be as awesome as it
should be? Probably not, but it's better than it was.
And so when they put the new TV's in, they
brought down the old TVs, and Hamilton County chose to

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sell them. Now, I don't know why anybody would have
any issue with that. If you don't want one, you
don't have to buy one. I'm in favor of the
county and local government raising money in whatever way, shape
or form they can.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
But this wasn't the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
This isn't the Bengals selling televisions because they're trying to
pay Jamar Chase. This isn't the Bengals selling televisions because
that's their priority instead of paying Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
But because it's the Bengals, they get laughed at. They
get mocked.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
They're the team that's in such fun financial dire straits
that they've got to sell their old televisions. The new
TVs are being put in, the old TVs are coming down.
Hamilton County could choose to throw them away or they
can make a buck off of them. I can't take
any issue with that whatsoever. The Bengals merely play in
the stadium. They have a sweetheart deal, and maybe a

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sweetheart deal that will continue deep into the next decade
when they when they renegotiate. But this isn't Mike Brown
choosing to sell. And by the way, so what if
he was, like would it? Would it really be wrong
if the Bengals decided instead of throwing the televisions away,
and you could say, we'll donate them to a charity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
What they could do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Bengals do a lot of cool stuff for charity. What
they could do is buy new TVs for a charity
instead of giving the charity it's dumpy TVs that it
doesn't want anymore. But what if they did sell them,
big deal? They didn't Hamilton County did. It's easier to
make fun of them than it is to actually look
up what actually happens. So the Bengals on social media

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are being dragged through the mud. And again, if you
want to criticize them for not signing Jamar Chase, I'm
here for that. I'll do as much of that as
you want. They're not selling old televisions. Hamilton County is,
by the way, speaking of televisions. Awesome setup here at
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We're at Buffalo Wild Wings in Blue Ash for another hour.
Jamar Chase hasn't signed his contract, but maybe he will
before we're gone, and if he does, we'll all have
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Weeks, which means we have eighteen shows to do at
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This is our first one. We're here in Blue Ash,
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If you haven't had the burger at Buffalo Wild Wings,
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But if you're thinking of going, and you're thinking of
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Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
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All we need is your name. We've got a box
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Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
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at at a place where they're welcoming, where they want
you there, where they put you in a good location.
It's it's fantastic. And so we can't thank Amber and
Hirstaff enough. The uh, the Jamar Chase thing. So I
understand we're all tired of it, right like there's there's

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there's no. I don't think there's anybody. I don't think
there's anybody who cares about the Bengals who isn't at
least somewhat exhausted with the Jamar Chase topic being a thing.
I say that not as a sports talk radio host.
I cannot thank Jamar Chase enough for hours and hours
of segments about his hold in. It's been great for me,

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But as a fan, you know, the topic is exhausting,
and whether it's doing what I do for a living
or just being a fan of the team, there really
hasn't been that much new to it, with the exception
of last week when Jamar was at practice and then
Tuesday when he or Wednesday when he stopped coming to
practice and where that took the conversation. But the bottom

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line is since camp started we've been wondering, are the
Bengals going to sign Jamar Chase? Well, the Bengals wait
until after deals get done with Ceedee Lamb in Dallas
and Brandon Aiyuk in San Francisco. And more than anything,
is his hold in going to extend to a hold
out when the games actually start? From day one? That

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has been the signature. Really, the sole question that matters.
Is he willing to take his grievance against the Bengals
to the opener? Is he willing to miss the first game?
Is he willing to miss the first two games? Is
he willing to miss the firs month? Is he willing
to miss the first ten weeks? Is he willing to
miss the entire season? That's all we care about. During

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the break, a gentleman came up and signed up to
win tickets to the game on Sunday and said, simply,
are they gonna get Chase on the field? And at
the end of the day, that's all any of us
really care about, right Like, we can have fun if
you're into such things. Diving into the math of his
contract and what it could look like and the structure

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of the structure of it and how it compares to
Justin Jefferson, and how it compares to Ceedee Lamb, and
what it's going to mean for the roster moving forward.
The first game is Sunday. The only thing any of
us cares about is is he gonna be on the
field on Sunday? The answer maybe yes, in the absence
of a new deal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Right, maybe yes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Maybe Jamar and the Bengals have a staring contest and
the Bengals cause bluff and Jamar doesn't want to give
up the paycheck, and Jamar feels some sort of obligation
to his teammates and he goes out there on Sunday
and he plays.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Maybe that's the case, but we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Here's what we do know that if Jamar Chase signed
a contract right now at ten minutes after five o'clock
on Tuesday, barring an injury suffered between now and Sunday
at one o'clock, he'll be on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Would he be on the field for every single play?
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Would he be as good as he would be had
he practiced all along? Maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
But I think if if we found out right now
that Jamar has signed his deal, the jubilation would be
based on the fact that we now know he's gonna
play on Sunday, not that we know he's gonna be
a Bengal in twenty twenty six. We already feel like
that's gonna be the case.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
None of us are wondering if the Bengals are gonna
sign Jamar Chase to a deal. None of us are
worrying about where he's gonna be playing football in twenty
twenty six. None of us are worrying about where he's
gonna be playing football in twenty twenty seven. None of
us are worried about where he's going to be playing
football even next year. Because he's already under contract. We
want to know one thing on the Tuesday before the
first game.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Is he gonna be That's what we want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
The only thing that guarantees that is give him his contract.
So give him his contract. And I have held steady
to this all along. I don't I do see both
sides of this. I don't entirely blame Jamar for how
he handled most of his hold in. I didn't like
how he made Zach Taylor look last week. I thought
that was bush League. And I understand the Bengals general

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stance of we've got two years left, what's the rush?
But we want to see the guy on the field
on Sunday. That's all we care about. I want to
see the guy on the field on Sunday. I want
to see the guy on the field a week from
Sunday when they go to Kansas City to play a team,
but it's far better than the one they play this Sunday.
If if that's the only thing that really matters to

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you right now, and I think for most Bengals that
is the only thing that matters as of this moment,
then ensure that the answer is yes, he's on the
field on Sunday, get the deal done, what it looks like,
what the structure of it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Legitimately, who cares.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
It's gonna make him the highest paid wide receiver in
the sport, And even if it doesn't, it's gonna be
an absurd amount of money and it's gonna be a
significant percentage of the Bengals salary cap moving forward. But
are you really worried about where he's gonna play in
twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Of course not. If we found out he's signing a contract.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Today, you would be primarily excited because it guaranteed he
plays on Sunday. Not it guarantees that he plays on
the second Sunday of September.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Two years from now, So go ahead and get the
deal done.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
If we were to take a piece of paper and
draw a line down the middle and on the left
side we're doing pros and the left side we're on
the right side we're doing cons. Which side would be
longer on the list of pros and cons? Why you
do or don't sign Jamar Chase right now? And if
you want to put it like this, cave to his demands,

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which side.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Would be longer?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Let's see on the list of pros. Well, number one,
it would guarantee that he plays on Sunday. And it
would maybe not entirely guarantee because things do happen health wise,
but it would it would go a long way toward
ensuring that he plays a week from Sunday when they're
in Kansas City. That's number one. Uh, it would, It
would make the quarterback happy. It would demonstrate that the

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Bengals have some flexibility when it comes to how they
do things, which for years, how much have we complained
about the Bengals being inflexible with how they do things.
I'm sure to some degree it would be. It would
provide a boost of energy and excitement to his teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
It would relieve.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Them from having to talk about Jamar Chase on a
frequent a frequent basis.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
It would be an emotional boost, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
To Zach Taylor, great, I can finally stop answering questions
about Jamar.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
It would be a boost to fans.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Can you imagine again, like, well, I'm sitting here at
Buffalo Wild Wings and Blue Ash. Can you imagine the
infusion of excitement that would permeate through the fan base
and the city if we found out that Jamar has
signed his deal on the list of cons. Well, it
sets a precedent. Okay, so what I mean like legitimately, yes,

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it would set a pressent. And I'm sure there'll be
a player. Maybe it's I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Don't know, Cam Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
BRIT's not the best example because he's in year three
of a four year deal. Dax Hill, Right, who's a
first rounder, This will be his third year. They pick
up a fifty year option, right, Dax Hill. Well, now
Dax Hill is gonna want a two year honestly, Like,
I'll worry about that later. And if a player comes
along who is as good as Jamar is at a

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position that is as valued as well receiver, then we'll
visit the topic of giving a guy to a deal
before a deal while he has two years left on
his current contract. Are we really so worried about setting
a precedent that we're gonna jeopardize Jamar being on the field?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Is that worth it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Like if you're the Bengals, if you run the team,
is it worth it? In a year that many have
called super Bowl or a bust, In a year that
many have said is defined by one thing, do they
win the championship? And not that you can't win the
championship if you were to get upset by the Patriots,
which I don't think will happen. Not that you can't
win the championship if you go to Kansas City and
lose the second game. But like in a year defined

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by championship, we're gonna throw a wrench into the early
season early season plans and leave it up to Jamar
as to whether or not he plays, because we're worried
about setting a precedent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
With who and when, Like is that that's the con
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
That's if we're doing the list line down the middle,
all the pros are over here. Cons on the other side,
the only downside is it sets a bad precedent.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Are you really worried so much about that? How long
is the list.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Of players that could challenge well the Bengals because they
did sign Jamar when he had two years left on
his contract. That's really what we're worried about. So you know,
my colleague Lance McCallister, whenever situations like this come up,
he's a big fan of asking like, what's the downside?
What's the downside to making a certain move? What's the
downside to just going? Look, Jamar, the framework is in place.

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We know what you're looking for. Financially, we want you
on the field on Sunday. We need you on the
field a week from Sunday. We want to eliminate the uncertainty.
Here's the contract. From a principal standpoint. Maybe you don't
like that from a standpoint of not setting the precedent,
maybe that's not what you want. But if the thing
we want most is for him to be on the field,

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isn't isn't it worth going ahead and ensuring that he's
on the field, and yeah, sure, the list of cons
would be, well, what if he gets hurt and they've
guaranteed him all this money. It is for the sake
of putting the best possible product on the field as
early as possible and chasing down a championship. That is
a risk that for my money, is worth taking. My

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stance would be different if I felt like the Bengals.
The difference between Jamar Chase being on the field and
him not being on the field is a five and
twelve record versus a four and thirteen record. I think
highly of this team, I think highly of this player.
I think highly of their chances. Get them on the field,
get them on the field. Bengals have the power to

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do that. You might argue, Jamar has the power to
do that. The Bengals have the power to do that.
Give him his deal, and whatever the long term fallout
is from them setting precedent, deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Then win now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
And the best way to do that is to get
your second best player on the field. You're welcome to
chime in my phone numbers five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. We have not been able to take call.
We have been able to take calls. We've been too
busy to take calls today. We are not now five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. Is Is that really the only question that

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matters right now, whether or not he gets on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
If you're worried about other.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Things, to me that they're all trumped by one thing.
Winning a title this year, winning as many games as
possible this year, putting the best possible team on the
field this year starting week one? Does Lamar Chase play
week one if he gets his contract today? The answer
is yes. Why would we then not want the Bengals

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Jamar Chase situation coming up in just about ten minutes.

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And again no, no real movement. I do agree with
something that Paul said earlier, which is anybody who claims
that they know what's going on is making it up.
I saw a lot of folks over the weekend opining
and even heard from people in person that you know,

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this is gonna get done here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody really knows.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Bengals are not an organization that is very leaky, and
I get the sense that Jamar Chase is very, very similar.
Zach Taylor will talk tomorrow, and you know we kind
of dived into this topic last week. Jamar practicing than
not practicing, and Zach Taylor having to speak about it
and giving some assurances the day before that he is

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going to practice, and then he doesn't, and how bad
that made him look. You know, if this remains unresolved, Tomorrow,
Zach Taylor has his week of game press conference, and
yet there are gonna be more questions about something that
he has almost nothing to do with. I also think
that there's this perspective like, if you were Mike Brown,

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whatever you want about Mike and how he's run the team,
and what you don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
About it, what you do like about it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Organizationally, you made a decision to not give t Higgins
a contract extension, right or wrong, that was a decision
they made. Now t is still going to make close
to twenty two million dollars this year, so not a
bad consolation prize. Right, a one year deal under the
franchise tag, it's gonna pay him twenty two amid this

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market for wide.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Receivers that has exploded, but still.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Look beyond the money for a second, which admittedly is
often hard to do. And from a human perspective, here
is a team that obviously drafted you and that you
have done everything right for including playing when you're hurt
and for the last two seasons as all of these
other really good wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
And I'm not sure Tea is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Quite the caliber player of some of those guys, but
he's a very good player, a productive player, and on
a number of teams would clearly be the number one
wide receiver. You exist in this market where the wide
receiver contracts have exploded. You can't get one that's gotta
leave some scar right that that's gotta hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
And yet you've still done everything asked of you. You
did request a.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Trade, but you know it didn't make a big public
dog and pony show out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
You have You signed the franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Tag early, signed it in June, sending the message.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I'm all about ball this year, and by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
You should be, because you've got a chance to prove
people wrong that kind of think you don't can you
can't stay healthy, or maybe those who believe you shouldn't
be given one of those number one wide receiver deals.
But anyway, you show up, you sign your thing on time,
You remove any doubt as to whether you're gonna come
to training camp on time, which a lot of us
assumed you would. You come to training camp, you have

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a by all accounts, a terrific camp. You play in
the preseason, you catch a touchdown pass. That's the guy
the Bengals aren't paying. That's the guy the Bengals have
said we're we're we're not, We're not getting into long
term business with.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
That's the guy you aren't paying.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Over Here, the guy that you have said we are
going to pay has kind of done the opposite. That's
not to say that Jamar could be blamed. He has
been all along operating within the rules. He not practicing,
but he's doing just enough to not get fined.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
He's the guy you are gonna pay.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
And again, like I'm a big believer in, I'm a
big believer in you know, see better than I hear
and all that, and you know I'm a big bigger
I put a lot more stock in what you do
instead of what you say. But when Mike Brown, who
has been through this before, says on the record we're
going to pay him, I put a lot of stock
in that because of where it's coming from. The guy

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that they have said they're going to pay, the type of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Player they have a track record of.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Paying, is doing the exact opposite of t Higgins. Just
if your Mike, if you're in Bengals management, doesn't there
have to be a part of you going, well, wait
a minute over here, the guy we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Paying is doing everything we could ever ask for.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
The guy we have said we're going to pay, the
guy who has two years left on his deal, That
dude's not showing up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
And may not play in the first game.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Isn't there a part of you that then wonders, did
we make a mistake with who we are not paying?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Fair question?

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
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Sports headlines Very good news today for the UC Bearcats
and two interesting passages on the Reds. We'll try to
squeeze in between now and six o'clock. First, Danner on
Chase and more.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
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one No Jamar Chase news More from Danner in just
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Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Dante Corleon cleared to play for UCEE.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Bearcats hosting Pittsburgh on Saturday at one o'clock. Reds are
off tonight, resume their series with the Astros tomorrow, looking
for a third consecutive win. Nick Martinez first.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Out of the gate on the hill for Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Luca Oregano, who had two goals, including that beyond sixty
yard bomb on Saturday night, named after Cincinnati's four to
one victory, Player of the match day for match Day
number thirty, big four to one win for FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
What else do I have? I believe that would be it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
For your local sports headlines. The Columbus Blue Jackets. Not
to bring down the mood, but if you're wondering, I
was not on the air on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
I took the day off.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
And whether you're a hockey fan or a Blue Jackets
fan or not, it was awful to wake up Friday
morning to the news of the passing of Johnny Gaudreau
and his brother Matthew in New Jersey, hit by as
they were bicycling, hit by a motorist who admitted to
having five or six beers. And they were in the

(01:37:57):
South Jersey Philadelphia area for their sister's wedding which was
supposed to be on Friday night, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Were struck by a motor vehicle and both killed.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
And the tributes from around hockey and from around sports
have been something to behold. The Blue Jackets announcing that
they will have a candlelight visial in remembrance of Johnny
and Matthew tomorrow night in the Front Street Plaza outside
Nationwide Arena. Obviously from where we sit, that's quite a hike,

(01:38:26):
but if you're interested, you could check out the Blue
Jacket's website.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
And that was just awful, awful.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
News to wake up to and kind of take in
on Friday and really all throughout the weekend. We're here
at Buffalo Wild Wings. We're here till six o'clock. Will
draw for the Bengals Patriots tickets at six. Our buddy
Paul Dater Junior joins us on Tuesdays. And look, this
is the Bengals story as of right now, the Jamar

(01:38:55):
Chase thing. I was less interested in this in late
July than I am now because this season is upon us.
He is barely practiced. He didn't practice on Monday. Is
he gonna play on Sunday? Were a lot of folks
that thought this weekend might be where there's some movement,
at least enough to find out that a deal is
getting done. Danner was on our show two weeks ago
and we he kind of predicted Labor Day, that's gonna

(01:39:17):
be it, and then we'll turn the page and get
set for the season.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
That was not the case.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
And so Paul and I discussed that dynamic and more
as they relate to the Bengals and Jamar earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Today and nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Yeah, no, I mean, and we're all in playing the
waiting game right now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I just I don't know, man, This this is not
how it was supposed to go.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Oh, I mean, it was not supposed to be like this.
I do think that, you know, you can use history
as a judge and know that their biggest moments have
always gone down to the wire. They have always gone
to the deadline, and they often when they've wanted them
to get done, they have gotten them done.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
They've just usually done it up until the last second.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
The distraction of this has made it feel so much
longer and obviously exhausting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
But because you have the option to kick.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
The can down the road to next year, because it
is a two years left on this thing, right that
remains open. From my seat, that option remains open. There
is I think people want to say, we'll just pay
and they're gonna do it, just do it. I look,
they it's no saying they're definitely gonna do it. I

(01:40:39):
think they would love to. I'm sure Jamar would love to.
I think everybody would love for this thing to be over.
But they can just as easily say, look, I don't
think we're there right now. We'll revisit this next year
because you're under contract for two seasons and we look
forward to seeing you on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
They have that right to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
And so would they go there, I don't know, and
then call Jamar's bluff I don't know. Would he then
decide I'm not playing Nobody knows. Yeah, And so we
just sit and speculate and wait and just and I
think everybody involved is hoping that it just comes to
an end so it doesn't live throughout the season, for me,
for you, for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
No, I mean that's why, that's why I'm in the
just pay him camp. And I understand there are ripple
effects from that. I understand the precedent that it may set.
I understand some of the the inherent Rick risks. But
I want what the Bengals to win the title this year.
And I keep coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
To that, Yes, I want I want nothing that could
potentially get in the way of them winning a championship
this season. I want to put this behind us all
so we can really start to focus on what it's
going to be like. The Bengals play in Kansas City
a week from Sunday with Jamar Chase. Not that I'm

(01:41:55):
intentionally overlooking the game on Sunday, but to me, that's
really what I've wandered all all summer long. Is he
willing to miss games plural that means he's not on
the field for Kansas City. What's the impact on him
not playing? What's the impact on the team long term
if they lose that football game? What happens down the road?
What this may mean for further contract negotiations. I understand

(01:42:15):
those are considerations, They're not my main consideration. So I
am I am team just paying.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Yeah, I think you have a very full roster on
your team there. You have a lot of people that
agree with you and understandably. So the thing is, what
why did you go through all that you went through
with t and forcing him to do this franchise tag
in one last ride? If you were gonna jeopardize the
mojo and all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
By then doing this messing around with Jimar.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Like you're you're doing this because you are committing yourself
to Jamar Chase instead, Right, So just commit yourself to
Jamar Chasing. What real difference is a little bit here
or a guarantee here. I get the precedent. They don't
want to feel like they got pushed around. Nobody's gonna
look and be like I can definitely push him around
like Jamar did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Yeah, you know what they'll tell Cam Taylor Britt like,
uh man, it's not the same, right, you know, And
and that's fair And I think and I think that
people would understand that a little bit more if you're
talking about other guys down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
I just look, they have set themselves up to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Have a very very good team, to have all of
these pieces together with this very incredible this big window
that's been open for a while, and you can't jeopardize
it because you are trying to, you know, save five million.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Dollars in guarantees or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
And like, there's not a dispute about where this thing's
supposed to be right right, yes, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Why why is there haggling over that? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
I just I feel like whether or not you agree
with the approach that Jamar has taken, whether or not
you agree with the approach the Bengals have taken.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
I think if we were to.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Sit down and draw a line down the middle of
a piece of paper and on left side pros to
just signing him and cons to just signing him, that
column of pros ou outnumbers the con column by a
factor of about ten.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Yeah. I mean, you're doing it anyway. Yeah, you're doing
it anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
You this no one is pretending that he's not going
to be here for the long term, So why jeopardize
what's going to be happening in this season in order
to get the greatest possible deal. Now you can ask
that question many times over the years about this franchise,
and that's you know, will that follow them here? Or

(01:44:39):
is this just the latest example of them waiting until
someone's about to get on a bus for the first
game to finally get a deal done.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Maybe this is the latest example.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Maybe it's aj Green Part two, Maybe it's Joe Burrow
Part two on Thursday Night, Maybe it's any number of
these times that they've done this. We'll wait and see.
But let me tell you this. Anybody that says they
know and that you're hearing, you're retweeting, or you're using
any of the verbiage that you're hearing, knows squat.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
I ran into this weekend a lot of new, newly
sort of informed insiders who claim to know a lot
of folks. And on both sides of it, I got bro,
he ain't gonna play this month. I got this will
be over by the weekend. I mean a lot of
a lot of people know a lot a lot of
people seem to know a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
But I also think that's what's so interesting about this
Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Well, and it is what also keeps it going, you know,
because because there is so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
I mean, everybody knew the status.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
Of Brandon Ayuk and the San Francisco forty nine ers
because it was every step was public display. I would
probably prefer it all to be done in private any way,
but it only increases the speculation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
We've yet to hear from Jamar, not one time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
I'm still waiting for us to come in after practicing,
to the locker room and him to be standing on
his stool saying here, ye hear, ye, I got things
to say. It feels like he wants to do that,
you know, and so, but it the fact that we
have none of that and the option to kick the
can down the road still exists, it leaves it to

(01:46:15):
nothing but speculation. But I'm telling you, uh, you know,
the Bengals do it this way for a reason. Yeah,
and keep it quiet this way for a reason. And
so if you if you think you're hearing people that
know what they're talking about there, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
There There are other facets of the team that we
have to talk about. But two more on Jamar, or
two more questions related to Jamar. You were with me
last Tuesday in studio and Jamar is practicing or had
practice and then it's cut down.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Remember the good old days.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Yeah, and then you know, you go down there on
Wednesday and suddenly things are a little bit different. Just describe,
describe that environment on Wednesday, just being around the team
in your capacity.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Which was a very weird, very much. Uh, you have
got to be kidding me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Level of disbelief, Like we were just all assuming we
were gonna go out there and see what we had
been told in seeing pictures of what had happened day before,
and so no, it wouldn't go this way. You wouldn't
flip it on his head like this. It wouldn't be
a thing where you're gonna try to embarrass everyone after

(01:47:23):
what has been said the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
And then sure enough it was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
That was really what it was was everyone looking around
wondering where where is he? People are checking outside, Is
anybody gonna check the porta potties outside?

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Is that where we need to go? Is he on
a bus? Is he walking? Is?

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
And then to walk in ten minutes later, where it's
let's be honest, it's a scene. It was, here's a scene.
I'm coming in. I know that everybody's in there. You're
all wondering where I am. You've been wondering for fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Where I am.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
I'm gonna walk in and I'm gonna walk right by everybody.
You have to, but I'm gonna dude, that way. Scene created, right,
firestorm created, and everybody's saying, wow, it he took it
there to the next level, and that was it was
really I mean, it was a shot across the bow,
and I think there was a little bit of a
disbelief of Wow, I can't believe it. It's gotten like
this because what we had talked about it had been

(01:48:18):
despite the one day amicable. Yeah, it had felt like
it was just, look, I'm just doing this because I
don't want to practice trying to stay safe going through
the process. Okay, now it's getting closer. I'm gonna get
myself back, ramping up a little bit, and then to
just say nope, forget all of that, Let's let's go
to this next level. Everybody was just stunned because you

(01:48:39):
just you never you didn't see that coming.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Paul Danner Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
On the Jamar Chase situation, which at the end of
the day, we all just won him on the field,
sign him to a deal, and he's on the field
on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
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Speaker 9 (01:49:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
You already know that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Right it is seven away from six really quick. I
want to thank the staff here at Buffalo Wild Wings
in Blue Ash for their hospitality. We you know, we've
done a lot of shows from a lot of places
over the years, and the ones that are the best
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(01:49:45):
you to be here. They're excited for you to show up,
they're accommodating and well, the folks here at Buffalo Wild
Wings Amber, the manager would certainly fit that description. They
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Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
We're gonna be at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Westchester
a week from today, so we are looking forward to
that tomorrow well inch closer to Bengals Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
A few other things from over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
We talked about the Bearcats and their victory over a
Towson Brendan Soresby gave you a glimpse into what we
didn't see often last year from memory Jones, and that
he had receivers downfield. That was really nice to see.
If you went into the season concerned about Cincinnati's ability
to stop the run, those were amplified. Dante Corleone is

(01:50:38):
coming back. Pittsburgh comes to town. Cincinnati a point and
a half to two and a half point favorite on Saturday.
It gave the Bearcats won last year because they were
so good defensively at the point of attack. We saw
the exact opposite against Towson Reds over the weekend. They
win yesterday, they went on Sunday, they lose a tough

(01:51:00):
one in the first game of that doubleheader on Friday.
They lose a very good game on Saturday evening where
Ty Franz almost wins it with a hit in the
bottom of the ninth inning. They lose on Friday Night,
fourteen to nothing. I have been to hundreds of Reds
games over the years. I have heard crowds boo often

(01:51:22):
in my life. I'm not sure i've heard booing as
vicious and as just collectively throaty aimed at a baseball team.
And what I heard in the ninth inning is Luke
Maley was just getting torched and that that's no fault
of his. When David Bell went out for some reason,

(01:51:44):
he went out to go talk to Luke Maylee midway
through him just getting shelled by the Brewers. I don't
know why he was out there. I've heard David Bell
get booed before, I have not heard that. There's a
piece in the Athletic that I don't know if it
came out this morning or over the weekend, but it's
about a lot of teams like the Reds that have
either had bad seasons or slightly disappointing seasons, or you

(01:52:09):
could say they've underachieved or having forgettable years. And the
crux of the piece is how across the board it
feels like there's going to be very little change either
in respect to the front office or with the manager.
And I've been a big David Bell guy and a
big Nick Crawl guy. I think it's going to be
really interesting to see if the status quo remains, and

(01:52:30):
by the way, I'm not sure it will, but if
the status quo remains, I think it's going to be
really interesting to hear and see how that is received
by a fan base that is understandably at its wits end.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
We have to go. We're back in studio tomorrow at
three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
We're back at Buffalo Wild Wings a week from today
at the Westchester location. Again. Want to thank Amber and
the folks here at Buffalo Wild Wings in Blue Ash,
great place to come on out and hang out. Thanks
to our friends at bud Light as well, and thanks
to you for listening. Have a great weekend. Thanks to
Rodney Simpson for producing on site, and of course my
guy tearing Back and ken Wood. We return tomorrow at
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(01:53:14):
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