September 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Bengals win over the Browns, the strides made by the Cincinnati defense, the struggles of the offense, what Twitter got right and wrong about the Bengals, and sports figures who don't have vowels in their last name.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, there we go, it's five after three. This
is ESPN fifteen thirty on ma Legger.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We are broadcasting as we do every Tuesday at Oakley Greens,
which is.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's an Oakley station close to the Movie Theater. It
is gorgeous. Now we've got our own cabanner. You cannot
beat it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is an awesome place for after work happy hour.
It's a great place obviously for college and pro football weekends,
whether it be a Saturday of college ball a Sunday.
If you're looking for a place to post up for
Bengals v. Jags, you obviously can do that here. They've
got corn hole, they've got mini golf, they've got good food.
They've got a great outdoor bar, good inside bar. You
(01:10):
can rent a cabana they've got a ping pong table,
they've got inflatable mascots.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You really can't beat it here at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We are thrilled to be here yet again, and awesome
to be doing the show outside yet undercover. Paul Danner
Juniors here. What's up from the Athletic and the Growler podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I've got I've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I got a story in podcast done today already.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wow, So I've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
When I get done here, someone wants to come down
and take me on in cornwall if they think they
can beat.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Me, suckers, bet right there, the so you think they
can beat me, I will buy them a beer, suckers
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I'm not even asking for anything if I win, I
just want to get some said work.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The satisfaction of beating somebody who thinks they can beat
you reps.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I've seen yeah, I've seen you play cornhole.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, okay, unless your dad shows up, nobody's beating you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't know. I'm here.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I'm here to put it out there to take anybody
that wants to come down and play.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm happy, I will. I will buy you be here
if you beat me. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, will you extend that to ping pong ping pong table?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right there?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't feel as confident, okay, Uh so no, will
you extend that?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean I can play. I don't many mini golf.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Mmm I would, I would probably, I'm okay, but I
don't know. I'm not played the course out there. I've understaid,
like to see the course. I need to see the course.
If the angles you know, yeh, work the check the
break on those hard harder puts.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
All right. Well, if you want to throw some bags
with Paul, yeah, be be care of challenge.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Bring cash. I'll just tell you that not a cash game.
Oh yeah, I'm not asking for it. I just want reps.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well okay, fine, great, awesome do you want you do want?
I've played cornhole against you before. That's a losing proposition.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We could do it during a break and get a game.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We'll take that long, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Uh, what's a lot to talk about there is?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
A game, Yes, I'm happy about that. Yeah, a game
that the Bengals didn't lose, which is all right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
See everyone, great show. I really you could end it there.
I mean it's a good place.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
To end it is right there is Want to know,
if I would have said to you when we were
sitting here at Oakley Green's last week, they're gonna win,
you'd say the rest of it doesn't really matter. Right now,
you know it does, and we can spend all week
and we will talking about it and writing about it,
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but inevitably a place that they've had a hard time
winning and playing well, a time slot in the season
that they've had a hard time winning and playing well.
We've sort of talked about this all years. It was
just it's a weird, ugly, tough spot in a division
(04:01):
on the road. They've had a tough time getting wins.
They've had a tough time beating anybody much, you know,
no matter who it is. So it's not like there's
a long history of the Bengals playing these gorgeous games
in Cleveland where they just you know, they did every
It always looked even their best teams play ugly.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Games against the Browns. In fact, for a long time,
Burrows best teams lost handily to the Browns. And so
there's something about the way that they play stylistically that
that's what it looks like. I said this to you
last week, this game's gonna be mucky, ugly. It's that
because not because I think it's an opening.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Day thing, and maybe it partially was.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But because that's just what the games they play against
Cleveland look like. That's what it is, and that's what
it ended up looking like. They came out and the
brown gifted them a win, as the Browns are one
to do in openers and in general, and so they
were able to take advantage of the mistakes that Cleveland made.
The Bengals didn't make as many mistakes and quite often
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in Week one. That's the difference.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
There's a difference between not playing great and playing mistake
filled football. They didn't play great, specifically on offense, and
we'll talk about that, but you can win a lot
of games in the NFL. You can win a lot
of games at any level of football by simply not
making mistakes. And say what you want about why they
couldn't throw the ball downfield and how stagnant the offense was,
specifically in the second half. That was my big takeaway, right, like,
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if that's as bad as they play and it includes
a zero in the turnover column, let's go.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think that was the plan we talked a lot
about in the run up to this game, and Zach
Taylor did about things to change, looking at what went
wrong in these early games year in and year out,
why they why there were so many losses, why they
looked so sloppy, why all these regular basic issues cropped up. Yeah,
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and you know, we talked about changing the time of
training camp practice and they're playing in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I think the biggest thing when he went back and
looked at his notes was stop making mistakes an opening week,
stop making mistakes in that game. Those games are weird,
they're odd, and that's our case across the league. I
feel like we do this at the end of every year.
We go back and you find some team that's in
the playoffs and you look about some completely ridiculous Week
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one score, like, how did that happen? How did that
team that stinks beat that team or whatever. I think
it's because it's different, and think he went back and
said this game, what we've done in the past is
turn the ball over too much, tried to be too cute,
throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Around, making mistakes.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It's just just it's gonna be about who makes the
fewest and wins the turnover battle, let's stop the run.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Force Joe Flacco to throw it.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Let's try to let's be conservative, not turn the ball
over ourselves, and that should be enough.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I think that was maybe the shift because they did.
They played a pretty conservative brand of football for themselves.
Joe Burrow threw twenty three passes, Chase Brown had twenty
one runs, I mean, and they did that from the jump. Yes,
from the outset, that's what they were gonna do, and
good for they come out with the win. But I
think they come out with the win because of that,
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because they said, let's just not make the mistakes. And
if the end of the day, we won the turnover
battle and made the fewest mistakes, that's probably.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Gonna be enough to Cleveland beat the Cleveland Browns. And
it was barely, but it was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I said multiple times last week, this game is gonna
come down to when the Bengals put the game in
the foot of the other kicker.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, never kicked in a regular season game before.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Maybe he'll miss two kicks, won a pat and won
a field goal, and that'll be the turning point. That
was the game plan the game. Just make them have
to kick thirty three to four yard kicks, right, yes, yeah,
that's that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I want to start with the defense, which which you
wrote about. So I looked for two things.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
One was when I think of the opener last year, defensively,
I think of all those mistackles. I think of Jay
Morrison counting all those mistackles on the Growler podcast. Didn't
see those on Sunday. So, like, I look at this
as defensive improvement had to start somewhere. Why not Week one?
Where's it gonna start. It's gonna start by just getting
the guy with the ball on the ground. I saw
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that on something. Yeah, And I wanted to get a
sense of the Bengals physicality rising to what the other
team brought. I didn't want to see them get pushed
around and I didn't so to me, those things we
could talk about, the turnovers and.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The plays they made.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, Cleveland had a couple of drops, and you could
you could put it through the filter of well, yeah,
but it's it's Joe Flacco and a Cleveland team that
wasn't very good at running the ball, and the guy
of the age draft is not available.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Fine. What I was looking for and what I thought
would win in this game, and the place to start
for me was tackle, don't get pushed around. Yeah, both boxes.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Checked, and I think those are two big boxes for
the entire season that are gonna determine where this team
can go. Mean, how how big of an issue has
the defensive linemen and we talked about like the run defense,
they're just getting absolutely moved for years And in their
first opportunity asterisk about the Cleveland offense known here their
(09:35):
first opportunity, that was the best statistical game against the
run that they've had since the start of the twenty
twenty three season. Yards per carry, success percentage, you name it.
In my story, I ripped them all off today you
can go back and see it. And to do and
along of five, I mean, no other teams have been
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getting ten yards in their sleep. Again, this run defense
for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
They went out They got TJ. Slayton to try to
fix that. I you know, you can look at his
run splits over the time when he was on and
off the field in Green Bay and it's huge.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think I feel his.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Difference out there. They got Shamar Stewart, who you felt
his strength and power at the point of attack. And
they went out and got Demetrius Knight in the draft,
who apparently turns into some sort of crazy person in
what he calls a flows state where he has to
apologize for his actions afterwards. We learned and he was
talking about that yesterday, but you saw it. He had
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six tackles in.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The first drive.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Like you get these players that change the way you
feel when you play defense, where it's not just every
play you're just watching the line of scrimmage go the
other way.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And to have a game where.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You you don't not only don't allow explosive run, but
nothing longer than five. I don't care who it is.
It's a National Football League. That's a team that was
trying to let's been able to line you up and
knock you down for a few years. To be able
to stand up to that, I think shows progress. It's
gonna be harder this week against Jacksonville, right, obviously, but
I think that was probably to me, the biggest, the
(11:13):
most encouraging takeaway from the open was what happened specifically
on the defense and what I.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Liked most about the performance In real time.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We've spent a lot of time on what they've done
up front, and I've worried a bunch about what they're
not doing in the back. But the Al Golden Defense
is supposed to emphasize linebacker. You mentioned Demetrius Knight. Sunday
was the first time in over a year that while
he was playing. I said something to the people that
I was watching the game with about Logan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, he played.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know, you'd see him attacking, shooting the gaps, making
a couple of plays in the backfield.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Showed up how much of not.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Talking about Logan Wilson was the fact that you weren't
also talking about DJ Reader, as he wasn't here the
person that covers up so Logan Wilson can make plays.
I mean so often linebacker play is about the person
directly in front of them. You can't allow these guys
to reach up to the second level and get to you.
And DJ Reader was magnificent at that, and by no coincidence,
(12:21):
the linebacker play was a lot better when he was here.
Now this this game, yeah, I think you I think
you saw. I think he looked healthier, he looked uh yeah,
he looked fast, fast, and he had space to operate.
We'll see if that continues. But I think that's what
you get. I think that's the product of one you know,
(12:42):
I want to talk about the BJ Hill Chris Jenkins
role there because those two guys, it was sort of
the reinvention of the Larryogan Joby BJ Hill rotation where
BJ Hill was so much better when they weren't putting
so many snaps on him. We've said it for since
Larryogan Joby left. Stopped playing BJ Hills so many snaps.
You can see it wearing on him. Well, guess what
(13:03):
they have a game where they it's a sixty forty
with Chris Jenkins. BJ Hill looked.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
A lot younger and a lot more vibrant. I thought
in that game.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Too, you get him and TJ Slick, these guys in
front of the linebackers, They're just more space for them
to operate. There's more room for them to attack, and
they looked like they knew what they were doing with
the read and react stuff. So I it feels over
the top, you know, because Cleveland does stink offensively. I
don't know how many points they are gonna put up
this year, So I'm not trying to go full everything
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is fixed on any of this.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But again my point isn't how to start somewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
This is who they're playing. Yes, and they went out
there and they clearly passed the first test, and they
went out and did what you talked about last week.
Can you go out at the end of the game
and make some plays to win a game? Can they
do that against anyone this year? And in the first
opportunity they did, they did. They forced Cleveland to make plays.
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And when the interception, I was saying in the walk
up to that game, it's gonna be about Joe Flacco
is gonna throw them a couple of interceptions?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Will they make the play?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And they made the plays and that was the game.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I also thought, and I was thinking about this over
breakfast on Sunday morning, I often think.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
About run fits.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, you do the long of the game, and I
thought the run fits were, in particular, just some of
the best that I've ever seen. Yeah, some of the
best run fits you'll ever see. I mean, yes, the
way they.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I'm a un fit connoisseur. Uh huh, what's your favorite
run fit? The one they used on Sunday? Yeah, that was, Yeah,
that's I think it's just one.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, the series of run fits they used on Sunday, Yeah, yeah,
I when I think about some of the great ones
in the history of this franchise, Boy Sunday's run fits
were just yeah, I tell you what, you know, I
get excited just thinking about him.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Now, Marvin Lewis had some great run fits. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I really felt like that was I walked away thinking
about that too.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah. Dave Schulett didn't focus on red runfits enough. Probably, well,
you have to wear a headset during the game. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And and Dave, Dave, they couldn't find him one. It
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Speaker 3 (15:19):
It was great. Yeah, super excited about that.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
We're gonna have coaches joining us a bunch of year,
taking some of the plays that we bring and they bring,
and and talking through some of those interesting plays in
the game. Jordan Kovac's SAFETYES coach on yesterday and just
fantastic stuff. Walked away from that being like, whoa this
is uh, here's this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Here's the game that you run yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
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That's what I like about all our shows.
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to host us this year. Paul Danner Junior is here
from the athletics. So what happened with the offense?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, I think there's a couple of things. I
think the Browns unleashed a little bit of Miles Garrett
on them. Obviously that doesn't take great analysis. Is pretty
that out. You know, you end up in a couple
of situations where the game, the second half feels very different.
(17:37):
If your star playmakers make a couple of one on
one throws. You know, Joe on that third and short
thirty two, I think it was gets a one on
one go ball Jamar and Newsome and you're taking that throw.
I'm never gonna fall for throwing a one on one
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down the field.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
To jam Are.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Usually he completes it. It doesn't you end up hunting,
and you know, the Browns are doing these long drives
and you're waiting for them to get back on the
field again. And then you have one with Tea and
you can't complete that. It's you just get a couple
that don't go your way. And then then you had
obviously the series from hell, the three sacks in a row,
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and right the silly call, I mean, right before that
third and long it was like, well, okay, I think
I was getting ready to tweet it, and then like,
well you just kind of draw, Yeah, just get out
of here and give some room. How did it end
up here? To then Joe's doing some sort of weird kung.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fu play the game.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'm not sure even to play the game.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, in the end zone, and it's like, what is
happening here?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
How is this the idea you're not converting?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
The conservative safe game plan apparently was out the window
on third and a million from the shadows of your
own goalpost, and you know, to Zach Taylor's credit, he.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Admits that was silly afterwards. But that said, I just
in the first half they felt like, oh man, all
that preseason stuff, all the continuent that that worked that's
that's what you expected it to look like the first half,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
When you expected to look like the second half.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I just think Cleveland started getting after them. They only
ran twelve plays in the You know when the last
four drives right, you just when you when you can't
get any of those third downs going. I know it
sounds repetitive and cliche, You're just gonna have a hard time.
It's just everything kind of stopped. Everything just kind of
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stopped feeling easy. And Cleveland has a way of doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Did Cleveland offer other teams a blueprint for how to
slow them down?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Only if they're trading Miles Garrett Denzel Ward?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You know, that's just it is how many teams can
really just sit in.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Man and compete with Jamar and t r Just no,
but you can.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Really nobody really does that, right because nobody really feels
confident that they can. And so it's the direct counter.
That's why they give them so much trouble. They let
thee they play more man than anybody against the Bengals,
and it has worked. I mean I still remember eight
targets and no receptions for t Higgins in the rain.
A couple of years ago. And it's not like we
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have this long line of those guys putting up huge
games against Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's just they're tough covers.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And then when you have tough covers on your you
know you're the Bengals easy button being Jamar and te
win quickly, Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Gets it out quickly, off they go.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
When you don't have that, and the other side now
has Miles Garrett and everything that they do upfront against you,
it you know, it's just the ultimate counter. I don't
think that's a blueprint. I don't think you're gonna suddenly
see teams trying that. And I'm sure Joe Burrow is saying,
please try that. Please go out there and try and
man cover Tea and Jamar with whoever you have.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We uh, we might play little game. Well, we're gonna
play two.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh. One we're gonna steal from you run passerboot oh thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
The other is one that we might make a staple
what Twitter got right and what Twitter got wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh no, we'll do that when we come back. We
look at sports headlines as well.
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Speaker 3 (22:23):
The Bengals signing guys A FoST Uh Yeah, okay, I
think I think that's the uh, that's the news, right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Apparently, Yeah, I mean, Jordan Schultz had that I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That he's gonna change in the game for you. He
doesn't feel like he will. He was one of those guys.
So back a couple of years ago, when.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I used to play the game of I can pick
who the Bengals are going to pick an ed drusher
in the draft just by looking at their sizes.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
He was on the list.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
There was like a list of like six guys that
fit the lou Anaumo edge. They you had to be
between six three and six five and tuner sixty two
and seventy pounds and have some sort of edge grade.
And if you found that guy, that's it. It was
like it was unbelievable. He's looking here here, and now
they've got they've got him.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And uh So, earlier this afternoon, I found a YouTube
clip of two New Orleans sports talk radio hosts.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, you know, no, go ahead, I have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I know where you're going.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Bengals could win the Super Bowl and I won't sound
as enthusiastic as these two gentlemen did in talking about
Isaiah Foski's release.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah no, they really, they really don't like him.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, No, that's why I was gonna say when you
said that it was, I was gonna be like, you
know what I know about Isaiah Foski is that Saints.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Fans really hated him. Even I knew that. And I'm
not in the state funnel. Yeah, I like I wanted
to see, like, well, what was the reaction when the
Saints got rid of him? I mean the Marti Grass
parade down there, my rival, what they did when Isaiah Foski?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, didn't you hear they they had Fosky free last weekend? Wow?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean one o'clock on Sunday, Bengals and Jags Live
on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Reds play the Padres again tonight.
We'll find out how they can blow tonight's game. Zactly
Tell and Michael King on the Hill. Reds four games
out of the last wild card. The Giants are three
back day play Eric nobody cares right now? Who can't
Reds and Padres the night at nine to forty.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
If you're still interested, I am still interested. I am
still interested.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I just the inability to score an extra innings, Yeah,
I just unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I gotta tell you, it felt like the timing on
the Friday night lost to the Mets was just so
poor for everyone to be like, all.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Right, see you next year, because right is the season
is about.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
To start from Bengals and you have it's you know,
it's like okay, get this, get a sweep, and might
be like, okay, we're sticking around. And for then for
it to be where you can't get a run in
with the bases loading and nobody out in the heart
of your order up and that against that team in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It was gonna change in his shoes on the map.
I just that you're right, because that night felt like
like everybody I knew was watching the Reds that night. Yeah,
in this effort to go okay, you know, Sunday the
Bengals are playing Saturday's football.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Last night was football?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, fine, Am I gonna stick around with the Reds
for this few Am I gonna spend the rest of
the weekend paying attention to this? And am I gonna
give them any more of my attention than they lost?
And then, like in typical Reds fashion, what do they do?
They win the next two? Yeah, and then what do
they do last night? Free zip, Here comes the bullpen,
Here comes the inability to score an extra innings. Just
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there's seventy two and seventy two. This is who they are.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's who they are. We're gonna finish with eighty one wins.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I hate to say it, but like it's like you
we've sort of been saying this all season. It felt
like this is who they were gonna be. Yes, and
you hoped that there would be enough of the you know,
the next step taken by some some guys that have
more martes, right, yeah, a few more of those and
in less regression, and you feel like you would have
a team that wouldn't be who you thought.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They were, but they kind of are have I think
it's pretty fair to say.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Now, uh, here's what Twitter got right?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
What's that Dalton Reisner?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Because he came in and he played capable. He came
in and he came he played capably, and so you know,
this was, Hey, this is the next version of like
Kevin Zeitler or something that they acquired at the end
of the off season.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
There's a difference between playing capably and playing at the
Super Bowl, Pro Bowl or pro level that Twitter suggested.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Did they get it right?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Twitter took a victory lap on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I watched it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Let it, Let it the the Dalton Reisner stands that
are out there, that's fine, had.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Their moment on Sunday. Wetter got it right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Where was Twitter when Lucas Patrick was playing good for
the few snaps that he was out there, Uh, they
were excited. There was like real tre Brown vibes. You
know last year, remember they had him and then he
got hurt and it's like, cool, we can scrape him
off the plate.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Here's the guy we want.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's what Twitter was doing during the I don't spend
a lot of time on Twitter during games because that's
that could be a really dark place.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But I like to go.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
After the fact and after the fact. Dalt Reisner, the
guy who made Marty's bust, might have to do the
dult Reiser statue outside Bengal Stadium.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I know. I I give him credit.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's a hard that is a hard gig man to
show up one padded practice and you're in there and
you're having to take over and protect and you know,
for the most part the lines the line held up
outside of the one series. So yeah, I give him
a lot of credit. I still think that he is
he is another Lucas Patrick. Like they're just very similar players, capable,
(27:52):
serviceable and can get you through things. And they're gonna
we'll see how how his level holds up over the
course of the year, I think. But that was certainly
a good start and unbelievable to come in and do
that with hardly any actual work this year.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So Lucas Patrick won't play for a few weeks. So
now their depth, which has been an issue, like it's
it's now a bigger issue, right, Like the dude who
was the backup is now playing. So so when they
signed Dalton rise there because they needed another Lucas Patrick,
now they need another another another Lucas Patrick. They needed
another Dalton Reisner to go find. I don't know that
(28:28):
there's another one out there there. You know you're gonna
count You just count on Jalen.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Rivers at this point and wherever else it goes.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
After that, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, the depth, the depth on the offensive line is
not that issue's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Now. Here's what Twitter got wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I I'm gonna give Twitter a little bit of
a break because early in training camp, a lot of
folks were in a bad mood because the Hendrickson thing
at that point had not been really resolved, and the
Shamar Stewart thing on the first day of camp had
not been resolved. And so you know, there are a
lot of folks in kind of maybe a not good place.
And then we find out they brought in no A
Fan and a lot of people didn't like that because
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he doesn't play guard. Right, well, you know, hey, Noah
fanse not a guard, so I don't care. Well, then
you know who was the guy on Sunday catching the
touchdown pass? Who was the best tight end on the field?
It was no A Fan. Twitter got that one wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't know why Twitter was trot was very
anti Noah Fan. I don't know why they would have
been anti Noah Fan because I'm really I'm really intrigued
by the Bengals tight end room. I've been kind of
fascinated by it all. Can't because because it's everyone that
you know is the closest thing to the middle ground.
(29:41):
But there's you know, get Sicky and Drew Sample somehow
play the same position and then and so you but
you can have a day where Noah Fan plays, He
comes out and place fifty percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's a big number for when you also.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Have Drew sample playing sixty nine per in the snaps
and Gasiki's numbers are down what Drew. What Zach Taylor
said yesterday was talking about how who we put out
there can invite certain personnel from the other team. So
if the Bengals are trying to get the other teams,
whether they're going to put base out there when they're
in twelve personnel a sample and and that can give
(30:21):
them matchups they can utilize it, or how are they
gonna treat Gasiki when he's out there When they find
out how other teams are playing their very different tight
end group they can get, they feel like they can
get whoever they want on the field for the other
team's defense and then run the plays that scheme up
the matchups against that person. So I think that's the
(30:43):
by virtue of having a very unique different type of
tight end rooman I throw Tanner Hudson into that conversation
to who they use, and so I think it would
be really interesting to watch the fluctuations between Gasiki and
Fant and even Hudson or and if Grandy comes up
at some point, I think it'll tell you a little
bit about how the Bengals viewed the game afterwards. When
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you see the way they decide to deploy that group.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I felt like for a team that needs impact from rookies.
He already talked about Demetrius Knight. I thought it was
a successful first game for Shamar Stewart, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Very much so.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I mean I didn't know if you were going to
go down to the fair Child line too.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I was gonna talk about him next. Yeah, but Stuart specifically,
I think was what you expected his floor to be.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
If that makes sense. That he's so strong.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, he's so physical that just going out there and
doing that makes a difference, and you feel his presence
out there, whether it's you know, we've probably even a
lot of people have seen the video of him tossing
Dewan Jones, or just the way when he eats up
that block off the edge like the other guy just
gets tossed, gets thrown back a little bit. Just he's
(32:00):
never giving ground and he's disruptive. His speed shows up.
I just think that alone is sort of the floor.
Now it's a matter of growing the rest of it
out of his game. But you can you can see
the difference that he made.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I just thought to myself, like, holy crap, wait till
this guy learns what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, and he's so you know, and it's such a difference.
And I'm really excited that Sam Hubbard's gonna be back
as rule of the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
And everything he's got.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
But like, there's just such speed differential right when you're
having now schmar out there with what Sam was kind
of being asked to do last year, especially as he
got hurt and was banged up over the course last year.
So and it makes it It makes such difference, especially
when you're trying to chase down that stuff on the backside,
uh and everything else, and he obviously has the power
at the point of attack to hold up You're right though.
(32:47):
I mean, it's like if you could just take Sam
Hubbard savvy and intellect, uh yeah, give it to Sam
Stewart right now, you let's go, you'd have an all pro.
But it's gonna take some time. But certainly you so
a lot of the lot of signs that it sort
of reminds me of his camp where it was surprising
how quickly he came in and was noticed and and
(33:07):
made it made a big difference.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And then with Dylan Fairchild, I'll make this about the
offensive line as a whole. They had the series from
Hell late in the game, and that was awful. One
of the reasons why to me it was awful. Up
until that point, I had very little issue with how
the offensive line played, and Dylan Fairchild's a part of that.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And if we break this game up and look at
the first half, I thought the pockets were great.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
First half it was like it felt like Burrow was comfortable.
He had time to sit back and find what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
They were moving the ball on the ground.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Specifically on the first drive, they were getting those short yardage.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean it felt like you saw them.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I didn't find myself noticing Dylan Fairchild as the game
went on. There were certainly spots where it wasn't. But
I mean a rookie guard. I mean, I can go
back and think to some of the rookies we've watched
play that position in recent years in their first game
or two, and how ugly it is and how hard
that is to never have done that in the NFL
(34:04):
before and go do it, especially when that group and
they're you know, Miles Garrett is teleporting from outside the
tight end to the a gap and in a in
a snap, and you got to try to be there
like they're trying to work stuff up to take advantage
of you. You're gonna get taken advantage of some uh so,
But I thought, yeah, I mean, it continues to be
(34:26):
an arrow up situation with Dill. With Dylan, even though
there was some growing pains in his first game.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Your take before Sunday was they'll start the season two
and two.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Do you still believe that? Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was it was with probably a sloppy win at
Cleveland was what I counted.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know, Jacksonville Jacksonville is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
The swing game for me because I do think they'll
win one of Minnesota and Denver just by nature of
you know, the coin flip NFL, and I think they're
just as good, if not better than.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Those two teams.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
The Jacksonville game and being able to contain the Jaguars offense,
which is gonna be a lot more potent than when
Cleveland had and not have some of the early growing
pains of this. I just feel like the defense is
gonna cost them a game or two early and maybe
that was encouraging that maybe they won't. After what we
saw on Sunday, you can maybe you can start to
(35:21):
believe the other side a little bit more. I am
a little bit more. But I'm really curious to see
what it looks like against Liam Cohne and Trevor Lawrence
and Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter and everybody that they're
gonna have in Jacksonville, who just you know, had an
easy twenty six points against Carolina this past week, and
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if they can hang in there.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But yeah, if they win this one, I would switch
to three and one. But this is kind of the
swing game, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
We're gonna play a little game of run passer boot.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
When we come back. All Right, I'm excited about that
thing too. I am too. We're doing this basically for
my own amusement.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
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Paul Danner Jr. With us for another few minutes. The
Growler podcast. Do you play a game of Run Passer Boot?
Here's the game of run passer Boot. I want to play, so,
as far as I'm concerned, Sunday is the Andre Schmidt game.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
The kicker for the Browns weird Z.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He has no vowels in his name, so I want
you to run passerboot. These three athletes sports figures who
have last names with no vowels in them. Bill Miltvie
played basketball for Temple, still holds a unique record in
college basketball that I don't think is ever going to
be broken. He spelled his name m l k v
(37:28):
y wow and his record is for the Temple Owls
in the nineteen fifties. In the game against Wilkes Bar,
he scored fifty four consecutive points. Fifty four consecutive points
like nobody else. I'm not even sure got a shot off.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Uh, sounds like he could use an assist along with
his vow Let's say, you know, you don't want to
you don't want to play with that.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They called him the Owl without a vowel, The Owl
without a vowel. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Washington Nationals pitcher Zach Brooks b r z y k
C why.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Or Andre Schmidt.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Well, I think Bengals fans are clearly gonna run with
Andre Schmidt. Okay at this point for delivering a victory.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sz myt. I just had to relook it up just
for the uninitiatd. It's not the typical smelling of.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Schmidt having to write that without being like I hadn't.
I didn't even know who their kicker was. I'm not
gonna lie right, I'm gonna admit my own fault here.
I went into that game and the moment he trotted
out and they said, I thought they said, Andre Smith.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I gotta tell you I looked up.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
To see, please tell me Andre Smith is out there
kicking these the extra point and I was like, who
is that?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And so I remember looking and being like, oh, that's
right they did.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
They cut their kicker and brought this guy in, which
is like the.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Most Browns thing.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It's always something like just quick trigger on a kicker
that you're just gonna throw out the door because he
misses a couple of kicks and bring in someone with
a Z in his name and think that they're not
gonna blow the game for you. So yeah, I I
I clearly you're gonna run with him.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
They're running with him.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'm gonna I'm gonna pass. I'm gonna pass on Bill
the owl with a vowel because I like that.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I like that nickname.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I like the out without a vowel, owl without a
vow I like I like that phrase.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And then I'm gonna I'm gonna boot.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Bricks bricks Zach Brigsy, Yeah, hard.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Pass on him.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
His last name sort of looks like an eye chart, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Bill Miltviie.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
What I found out about him is his name used
to have an eye in it, and through high school
and then somebody realized like, actually, our name doesn't have
an eye in it.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Did you ask chat GPT for all the athletes without
vowels in their last name, So it came out.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I knew that the Temple Owls had a guy who
scored fifty four consecutive points in a game. I knew that,
I did not know it was Bill Miltby. So there
was an element of delight when I googled athletes with
last names with no vows that Bill came up. And,
by the way, just passed away a few years ago,
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and I forgot about Zach Brisey pitches for the Washington Nationals.
And then she's not an athlete, but she was the
general manager of the Miami Marlins. Kim Ing and gee,
that is the most popular name in the United States
among people who don't have a vwl in their last name.
I did an extraordinary amount of research waiting to talk
(40:35):
to UC offensive line coach Nick Cardwell today.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
What I was gonna say is, don't you ever try
to tell me you don't have enough time in your
day anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I don't want to hear typically do not.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
This morning, I did waiting for an offensive line coach
to come out of a meeting for a pregame interview,
and I thought, I want to see what other athletes
there are or sports figures that.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Don't have a vowel in their last thing? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Did you then ask the offensive line coach if he
knows of any no he could add to the conversation,
or did you immediately tell him and be like, hey,
do you know about the owl without a vow? I
could have I literally I wrote all this down well,
so he could have sawd my notes and asked like,
why do you have the phonetic pronunciation of zach Berksy?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
There, there's your list. There's the list.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I wonder if our our our guy Andre Schmidt with
the Z is gonna anybody need to know how to
spell his name for very long?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I'm actually surprised that we haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah, I feel like, what was it moody Jake May
got cut by the forty nine ers today?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
That feels like that feels like a guy that might
land in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Anybody else? Who'd we have kicking for us at the
end of last year? Who's the Bengals kicker.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Or k York he came?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's right, they can get here that's right and get
him back.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know, big kid York vibes on the miss thirty
four yard or by.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The way, no not about it from Andre Schmid. I
did ask Dan Horde. I'm like, you know, obviously there's
pronunciation guides and I'm like, any any issue with that?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
He's like, Nah, that guy kicked for Syracuse for four years,
dance well aware, so he probably knew there's a good
chance this one might not make it.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's why in his call he didn't sound that surprise
when he missed that kid.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I was talking to Zach Jackson, who covers the Browns
for us afterwards, and he said, after that guy missed
the extra point, I knew that there is the way
another kick is going through the uprights.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The rest of the day. I have seen this show
too many times before.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
You could read Paul Danner Junior the Athletic dot Com.
Listen to the Growler podcast and we will see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Can't wait.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
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which is.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's an Oakley station close to the Movie Theater. It
is gorgeous. Now we've got our own cabanner. You cannot
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is an awesome place for after work happy hour.
It's a great place obviously for college and pro football weekends,
whether it be a Saturday of college ball a Sunday.
If you're looking for a place to post up for
Bengals v. Jags, you obviously can do that here. They've
got corn hole, they've got mini golf, they've got good food.
They've got a great outdoor bar, good inside bar. You
(01:10):
can rent a cabana they've got a ping pong table,
they've got inflatable mascots.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You really can't beat it here at Oakley Greens.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We are thrilled to be here yet again, and awesome
to be doing the show outside yet undercover. Paul Danner
Juniors here. What's up from the Athletic and the Growler podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I've got I've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I got a story in podcast done today already.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wow, So I've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
When I get done here, someone wants to come down
and take me on in cornwall if they think they
can beat.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Me, suckers, bet right there, the so you think they
can beat me, I will buy them a beer, suckers
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I'm not even asking for anything if I win, I
just want to get some said work.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The satisfaction of beating somebody who thinks they can beat
you reps.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I've seen yeah, I've seen you play cornhole.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, okay, unless your dad shows up, nobody's beating you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't know. I'm here.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I'm here to put it out there to take anybody
that wants to come down and play.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm happy, I will. I will buy you be here
if you beat me. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, will you extend that to ping pong ping pong table?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right there?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't feel as confident, okay, Uh so no, will
you extend that?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean I can play. I don't many mini golf.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Mmm I would, I would probably, I'm okay, but I
don't know. I'm not played the course out there. I've understaid,
like to see the course. I need to see the course.
If the angles you know, yeh, work the check the
break on those hard harder puts.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
All right. Well, if you want to throw some bags
with Paul, yeah, be be care of challenge.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Bring cash. I'll just tell you that not a cash game.
Oh yeah, I'm not asking for it. I just want reps.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well okay, fine, great, awesome do you want you do want?
I've played cornhole against you before. That's a losing proposition.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
We could do it during a break and get a game.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We'll take that long, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Uh, what's a lot to talk about there is?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
A game, Yes, I'm happy about that. Yeah, a game
that the Bengals didn't lose, which is all right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
See everyone, great show. I really you could end it there.
I mean it's a good place.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
To end it is right there is Want to know,
if I would have said to you when we were
sitting here at Oakley Green's last week, they're gonna win,
you'd say the rest of it doesn't really matter. Right now,
you know it does, and we can spend all week
and we will talking about it and writing about it,
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but inevitably a place that they've had a hard time
winning and playing well, a time slot in the season
that they've had a hard time winning and playing well.
We've sort of talked about this all years. It was
just it's a weird, ugly, tough spot in a division
(04:01):
on the road. They've had a tough time getting wins.
They've had a tough time beating anybody much, you know,
no matter who it is. So it's not like there's
a long history of the Bengals playing these gorgeous games
in Cleveland where they just you know, they did every
It always looked even their best teams play ugly.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Games against the Browns. In fact, for a long time,
Burrows best teams lost handily to the Browns. And so
there's something about the way that they play stylistically that
that's what it looks like. I said this to you
last week, this game's gonna be mucky, ugly. It's that
because not because I think it's an opening.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Day thing, and maybe it partially was.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But because that's just what the games they play against
Cleveland look like. That's what it is, and that's what
it ended up looking like. They came out and the
brown gifted them a win, as the Browns are one
to do in openers and in general, and so they
were able to take advantage of the mistakes that Cleveland made.
The Bengals didn't make as many mistakes and quite often
(05:13):
in Week one. That's the difference.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
There's a difference between not playing great and playing mistake
filled football. They didn't play great, specifically on offense, and
we'll talk about that, but you can win a lot
of games in the NFL. You can win a lot
of games at any level of football by simply not
making mistakes. And say what you want about why they
couldn't throw the ball downfield and how stagnant the offense was,
specifically in the second half. That was my big takeaway, right, like,
(05:39):
if that's as bad as they play and it includes
a zero in the turnover column, let's go.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think that was the plan we talked a lot
about in the run up to this game, and Zach
Taylor did about things to change, looking at what went
wrong in these early games year in and year out,
why they why there were so many losses, why they
looked so sloppy, why all these regular basic issues cropped up. Yeah,
(06:09):
and you know, we talked about changing the time of
training camp practice and they're playing in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I think the biggest thing when he went back and
looked at his notes was stop making mistakes an opening week,
stop making mistakes in that game. Those games are weird,
they're odd, and that's our case across the league. I
feel like we do this at the end of every year.
We go back and you find some team that's in
the playoffs and you look about some completely ridiculous Week
(06:40):
one score, like, how did that happen? How did that
team that stinks beat that team or whatever. I think
it's because it's different, and think he went back and
said this game, what we've done in the past is
turn the ball over too much, tried to be too cute,
throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Around, making mistakes.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It's just just it's gonna be about who makes the
fewest and wins the turnover battle, let's stop the run.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Force Joe Flacco to throw it.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Let's try to let's be conservative, not turn the ball
over ourselves, and that should be enough.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I think that was maybe the shift because they did.
They played a pretty conservative brand of football for themselves.
Joe Burrow threw twenty three passes, Chase Brown had twenty
one runs, I mean, and they did that from the jump. Yes,
from the outset, that's what they were gonna do, and
good for they come out with the win. But I
think they come out with the win because of that,
(07:32):
because they said, let's just not make the mistakes. And
if the end of the day, we won the turnover
battle and made the fewest mistakes, that's probably.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Gonna be enough to Cleveland beat the Cleveland Browns. And
it was barely, but it was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I said multiple times last week, this game is gonna
come down to when the Bengals put the game in
the foot of the other kicker.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, never kicked in a regular season game before.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Maybe he'll miss two kicks, won a pat and won
a field goal, and that'll be the turning point. That
was the game plan the game. Just make them have
to kick thirty three to four yard kicks, right, yes, yeah,
that's that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I want to start with the defense, which which you
wrote about. So I looked for two things.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
One was when I think of the opener last year, defensively,
I think of all those mistackles. I think of Jay
Morrison counting all those mistackles on the Growler podcast. Didn't
see those on Sunday. So, like, I look at this
as defensive improvement had to start somewhere. Why not Week one?
Where's it gonna start. It's gonna start by just getting
the guy with the ball on the ground. I saw
(08:38):
that on something. Yeah, And I wanted to get a
sense of the Bengals physicality rising to what the other
team brought. I didn't want to see them get pushed
around and I didn't so to me, those things we
could talk about, the turnovers and.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The plays they made.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, Cleveland had a couple of drops, and you could
you could put it through the filter of well, yeah,
but it's it's Joe Flacco and a Cleveland team that
wasn't very good at running the ball, and the guy
of the age draft is not available.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Fine. What I was looking for and what I thought
would win in this game, and the place to start
for me was tackle, don't get pushed around. Yeah, both boxes.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Checked, and I think those are two big boxes for
the entire season that are gonna determine where this team
can go. Mean, how how big of an issue has
the defensive linemen and we talked about like the run defense,
they're just getting absolutely moved for years And in their
first opportunity asterisk about the Cleveland offense known here their
(09:35):
first opportunity, that was the best statistical game against the
run that they've had since the start of the twenty
twenty three season. Yards per carry, success percentage, you name it.
In my story, I ripped them all off today you
can go back and see it. And to do and
along of five, I mean, no other teams have been
(09:56):
getting ten yards in their sleep. Again, this run defense
for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
They went out They got TJ. Slayton to try to
fix that. I you know, you can look at his
run splits over the time when he was on and
off the field in Green Bay and it's huge.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think I feel his.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Difference out there. They got Shamar Stewart, who you felt
his strength and power at the point of attack. And
they went out and got Demetrius Knight in the draft,
who apparently turns into some sort of crazy person in
what he calls a flows state where he has to
apologize for his actions afterwards. We learned and he was
talking about that yesterday, but you saw it. He had
(10:35):
six tackles in.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The first drive.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Like you get these players that change the way you
feel when you play defense, where it's not just every
play you're just watching the line of scrimmage go the
other way.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And to have a game where.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You you don't not only don't allow explosive run, but
nothing longer than five. I don't care who it is.
It's a National Football League. That's a team that was
trying to let's been able to line you up and
knock you down for a few years. To be able
to stand up to that, I think shows progress. It's
gonna be harder this week against Jacksonville, right, obviously, but
I think that was probably to me, the biggest, the
(11:13):
most encouraging takeaway from the open was what happened specifically
on the defense and what I.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Liked most about the performance In real time.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We've spent a lot of time on what they've done
up front, and I've worried a bunch about what they're
not doing in the back. But the Al Golden Defense
is supposed to emphasize linebacker. You mentioned Demetrius Knight. Sunday
was the first time in over a year that while
he was playing. I said something to the people that
I was watching the game with about Logan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, he played.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know, you'd see him attacking, shooting the gaps, making
a couple of plays in the backfield.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Showed up how much of not.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Talking about Logan Wilson was the fact that you weren't
also talking about DJ Reader, as he wasn't here the
person that covers up so Logan Wilson can make plays.
I mean so often linebacker play is about the person
directly in front of them. You can't allow these guys
to reach up to the second level and get to you.
And DJ Reader was magnificent at that, and by no coincidence,
(12:21):
the linebacker play was a lot better when he was here.
Now this this game, yeah, I think you I think
you saw. I think he looked healthier, he looked uh yeah,
he looked fast, fast, and he had space to operate.
We'll see if that continues. But I think that's what
you get. I think that's the product of one you know,
(12:42):
I want to talk about the BJ Hill Chris Jenkins
role there because those two guys, it was sort of
the reinvention of the Larryogan Joby BJ Hill rotation where
BJ Hill was so much better when they weren't putting
so many snaps on him. We've said it for since
Larryogan Joby left. Stopped playing BJ Hills so many snaps.
You can see it wearing on him. Well, guess what
(13:03):
they have a game where they it's a sixty forty
with Chris Jenkins. BJ Hill looked.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
A lot younger and a lot more vibrant. I thought
in that game.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Too, you get him and TJ Slick, these guys in
front of the linebackers, They're just more space for them
to operate. There's more room for them to attack, and
they looked like they knew what they were doing with
the read and react stuff. So I it feels over
the top, you know, because Cleveland does stink offensively. I
don't know how many points they are gonna put up
this year, So I'm not trying to go full everything
(13:34):
is fixed on any of this.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But again my point isn't how to start somewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
This is who they're playing. Yes, and they went out
there and they clearly passed the first test, and they
went out and did what you talked about last week.
Can you go out at the end of the game
and make some plays to win a game? Can they
do that against anyone this year? And in the first
opportunity they did, they did. They forced Cleveland to make plays.
(14:01):
And when the interception, I was saying in the walk
up to that game, it's gonna be about Joe Flacco
is gonna throw them a couple of interceptions?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Will they make the play?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And they made the plays and that was the game.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I also thought, and I was thinking about this over
breakfast on Sunday morning, I often think.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
About run fits.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, you do the long of the game, and I
thought the run fits were, in particular, just some of
the best that I've ever seen. Yeah, some of the
best run fits you'll ever see. I mean, yes, the
way they.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I'm a un fit connoisseur. Uh huh, what's your favorite
run fit? The one they used on Sunday? Yeah, that was, Yeah,
that's I think it's just one.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, the series of run fits they used on Sunday, Yeah, yeah,
I when I think about some of the great ones
in the history of this franchise, Boy Sunday's run fits
were just yeah, I tell you what, you know, I
get excited just thinking about him.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Now, Marvin Lewis had some great run fits. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I really felt like that was I walked away thinking
about that too.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah. Dave Schulett didn't focus on red runfits enough. Probably, well,
you have to wear a headset during the game. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And and Dave, Dave, they couldn't find him one. It
is nineteen minutes after three o'clock. Paul Danner Junior, The
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Speaker 3 (15:19):
It was great. Yeah, super excited about that.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
We're gonna have coaches joining us a bunch of year,
taking some of the plays that we bring and they bring,
and and talking through some of those interesting plays in
the game. Jordan Kovac's SAFETYES coach on yesterday and just
fantastic stuff. Walked away from that being like, whoa this
is uh, here's this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Here's the game that you run yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
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O stuff, right, and then today you have me on
and I start talking about speeding tickets I had in
high school.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's what I like about all our shows.
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to host us this year. Paul Danner Junior is here
from the athletics. So what happened with the offense?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, I think there's a couple of things. I
think the Browns unleashed a little bit of Miles Garrett
on them. Obviously that doesn't take great analysis. Is pretty
that out. You know, you end up in a couple
of situations where the game, the second half feels very different.
(17:37):
If your star playmakers make a couple of one on
one throws. You know, Joe on that third and short
thirty two, I think it was gets a one on
one go ball Jamar and Newsome and you're taking that throw.
I'm never gonna fall for throwing a one on one
(17:59):
down the field.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
To jam Are.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Usually he completes it. It doesn't you end up hunting,
and you know, the Browns are doing these long drives
and you're waiting for them to get back on the
field again. And then you have one with Tea and
you can't complete that. It's you just get a couple
that don't go your way. And then then you had
obviously the series from hell, the three sacks in a row,
(18:21):
and right the silly call, I mean, right before that
third and long it was like, well, okay, I think
I was getting ready to tweet it, and then like,
well you just kind of draw, Yeah, just get out
of here and give some room. How did it end
up here? To then Joe's doing some sort of weird kung.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fu play the game.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'm not sure even to play the game.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, in the end zone, and it's like, what is
happening here?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
How is this the idea you're not converting?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
The conservative safe game plan apparently was out the window
on third and a million from the shadows of your
own goalpost, and you know, to Zach Taylor's credit, he.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Admits that was silly afterwards. But that said, I just
in the first half they felt like, oh man, all
that preseason stuff, all the continuent that that worked that's
that's what you expected it to look like the first half,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
When you expected to look like the second half.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I just think Cleveland started getting after them. They only
ran twelve plays in the You know when the last
four drives right, you just when you when you can't
get any of those third downs going. I know it
sounds repetitive and cliche, You're just gonna have a hard time.
It's just everything kind of stopped. Everything just kind of
(19:38):
stopped feeling easy. And Cleveland has a way of doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Did Cleveland offer other teams a blueprint for how to
slow them down?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Only if they're trading Miles Garrett Denzel Ward?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
You know, that's just it is how many teams can
really just sit in.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Man and compete with Jamar and t r Just no,
but you can.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Really nobody really does that, right because nobody really feels
confident that they can. And so it's the direct counter.
That's why they give them so much trouble. They let
thee they play more man than anybody against the Bengals,
and it has worked. I mean I still remember eight
targets and no receptions for t Higgins in the rain.
A couple of years ago. And it's not like we
(20:21):
have this long line of those guys putting up huge
games against Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's just they're tough covers.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And then when you have tough covers on your you
know you're the Bengals easy button being Jamar and te
win quickly, Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Gets it out quickly, off they go.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
When you don't have that, and the other side now
has Miles Garrett and everything that they do upfront against you,
it you know, it's just the ultimate counter. I don't
think that's a blueprint. I don't think you're gonna suddenly
see teams trying that. And I'm sure Joe Burrow is saying,
please try that. Please go out there and try and
man cover Tea and Jamar with whoever you have.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We uh, we might play little game. Well, we're gonna
play two.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh. One we're gonna steal from you run passerboot oh thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
The other is one that we might make a staple
what Twitter got right and what Twitter got wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh no, we'll do that when we come back. We
look at sports headlines as well.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
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Speaker 3 (22:23):
The Bengals signing guys A FoST Uh Yeah, okay, I
think I think that's the uh, that's the news, right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Apparently, Yeah, I mean, Jordan Schultz had that I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That he's gonna change in the game for you. He
doesn't feel like he will. He was one of those guys.
So back a couple of years ago, when.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I used to play the game of I can pick
who the Bengals are going to pick an ed drusher
in the draft just by looking at their sizes.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
He was on the list.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
There was like a list of like six guys that
fit the lou Anaumo edge. They you had to be
between six three and six five and tuner sixty two
and seventy pounds and have some sort of edge grade.
And if you found that guy, that's it. It was
like it was unbelievable. He's looking here here, and now
they've got they've got him.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And uh So, earlier this afternoon, I found a YouTube
clip of two New Orleans sports talk radio hosts.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, you know, no, go ahead, I have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I know where you're going.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Bengals could win the Super Bowl and I won't sound
as enthusiastic as these two gentlemen did in talking about
Isaiah Foski's release.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah no, they really, they really don't like him.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, No, that's why I was gonna say when you
said that it was, I was gonna be like, you
know what I know about Isaiah Foski is that Saints.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Fans really hated him. Even I knew that. And I'm
not in the state funnel. Yeah, I like I wanted
to see, like, well, what was the reaction when the
Saints got rid of him? I mean the Marti Grass
parade down there, my rival, what they did when Isaiah Foski?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, didn't you hear they they had Fosky free last weekend? Wow?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean one o'clock on Sunday, Bengals and Jags Live
on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Reds play the Padres again tonight.
We'll find out how they can blow tonight's game. Zactly
Tell and Michael King on the Hill. Reds four games
out of the last wild card. The Giants are three
back day play Eric nobody cares right now? Who can't
Reds and Padres the night at nine to forty.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
If you're still interested, I am still interested. I am
still interested.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I just the inability to score an extra innings, Yeah,
I just unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I gotta tell you, it felt like the timing on
the Friday night lost to the Mets was just so
poor for everyone to be like, all.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Right, see you next year, because right is the season
is about.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
To start from Bengals and you have it's you know,
it's like okay, get this, get a sweep, and might
be like, okay, we're sticking around. And for then for
it to be where you can't get a run in
with the bases loading and nobody out in the heart
of your order up and that against that team in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It was gonna change in his shoes on the map.
I just that you're right, because that night felt like
like everybody I knew was watching the Reds that night. Yeah,
in this effort to go okay, you know, Sunday the
Bengals are playing Saturday's football.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Last night was football?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, fine, Am I gonna stick around with the Reds
for this few Am I gonna spend the rest of
the weekend paying attention to this? And am I gonna
give them any more of my attention than they lost?
And then, like in typical Reds fashion, what do they do?
They win the next two? Yeah, and then what do
they do last night? Free zip, Here comes the bullpen,
Here comes the inability to score an extra innings. Just
(25:40):
there's seventy two and seventy two. This is who they are.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's who they are. We're gonna finish with eighty one wins.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I hate to say it, but like it's like you
we've sort of been saying this all season. It felt
like this is who they were gonna be. Yes, and
you hoped that there would be enough of the you know,
the next step taken by some some guys that have
more martes, right, yeah, a few more of those and
in less regression, and you feel like you would have
a team that wouldn't be who you thought.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They were, but they kind of are have I think
it's pretty fair to say.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Now, uh, here's what Twitter got right?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
What's that Dalton Reisner?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Because he came in and he played capable. He came
in and he came he played capably, and so you know,
this was, Hey, this is the next version of like
Kevin Zeitler or something that they acquired at the end
of the off season.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
There's a difference between playing capably and playing at the
Super Bowl, Pro Bowl or pro level that Twitter suggested.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Did they get it right?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Twitter took a victory lap on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I watched it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Let it, Let it the the Dalton Reisner stands that
are out there, that's fine, had.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Their moment on Sunday. Wetter got it right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Where was Twitter when Lucas Patrick was playing good for
the few snaps that he was out there, Uh, they
were excited. There was like real tre Brown vibes. You
know last year, remember they had him and then he
got hurt and it's like, cool, we can scrape him
off the plate.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Here's the guy we want.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's what Twitter was doing during the I don't spend
a lot of time on Twitter during games because that's
that could be a really dark place.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But I like to go.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
After the fact and after the fact. Dalt Reisner, the
guy who made Marty's bust, might have to do the
dult Reiser statue outside Bengal Stadium.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I know. I I give him credit.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's a hard that is a hard gig man to
show up one padded practice and you're in there and
you're having to take over and protect and you know,
for the most part the lines the line held up
outside of the one series. So yeah, I give him
a lot of credit. I still think that he is
he is another Lucas Patrick. Like they're just very similar players, capable,
(27:52):
serviceable and can get you through things. And they're gonna
we'll see how how his level holds up over the
course of the year, I think. But that was certainly
a good start and unbelievable to come in and do
that with hardly any actual work this year.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So Lucas Patrick won't play for a few weeks. So
now their depth, which has been an issue, like it's
it's now a bigger issue, right, Like the dude who
was the backup is now playing. So so when they
signed Dalton rise there because they needed another Lucas Patrick,
now they need another another another Lucas Patrick. They needed
another Dalton Reisner to go find. I don't know that
(28:28):
there's another one out there there. You know you're gonna
count You just count on Jalen.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Rivers at this point and wherever else it goes.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
After that, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, the depth, the depth on the offensive line is
not that issue's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Now. Here's what Twitter got wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I I'm gonna give Twitter a little bit of
a break because early in training camp, a lot of
folks were in a bad mood because the Hendrickson thing
at that point had not been really resolved, and the
Shamar Stewart thing on the first day of camp had
not been resolved. And so you know, there are a
lot of folks in kind of maybe a not good place.
And then we find out they brought in no A
Fan and a lot of people didn't like that because
(29:08):
he doesn't play guard. Right, well, you know, hey, Noah
fanse not a guard, so I don't care. Well, then
you know who was the guy on Sunday catching the
touchdown pass? Who was the best tight end on the field?
It was no A Fan. Twitter got that one wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't know why Twitter was trot was very
anti Noah Fan. I don't know why they would have
been anti Noah Fan because I'm really I'm really intrigued
by the Bengals tight end room. I've been kind of
fascinated by it all. Can't because because it's everyone that
you know is the closest thing to the middle ground.
(29:41):
But there's you know, get Sicky and Drew Sample somehow
play the same position and then and so you but
you can have a day where Noah Fan plays, He
comes out and place fifty percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's a big number for when you also.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Have Drew sample playing sixty nine per in the snaps
and Gasiki's numbers are down what Drew. What Zach Taylor
said yesterday was talking about how who we put out
there can invite certain personnel from the other team. So
if the Bengals are trying to get the other teams,
whether they're going to put base out there when they're
in twelve personnel a sample and and that can give
(30:21):
them matchups they can utilize it, or how are they
gonna treat Gasiki when he's out there When they find
out how other teams are playing their very different tight
end group they can get, they feel like they can
get whoever they want on the field for the other
team's defense and then run the plays that scheme up
the matchups against that person. So I think that's the
(30:43):
by virtue of having a very unique different type of
tight end rooman I throw Tanner Hudson into that conversation
to who they use, and so I think it would
be really interesting to watch the fluctuations between Gasiki and
Fant and even Hudson or and if Grandy comes up
at some point, I think it'll tell you a little
bit about how the Bengals viewed the game afterwards. When
(31:07):
you see the way they decide to deploy that group.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I felt like for a team that needs impact from rookies.
He already talked about Demetrius Knight. I thought it was
a successful first game for Shamar Stewart, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Very much so.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I mean I didn't know if you were going to
go down to the fair Child line too.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I was gonna talk about him next. Yeah, but Stuart specifically,
I think was what you expected his floor to be.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
If that makes sense. That he's so strong.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, he's so physical that just going out there and
doing that makes a difference, and you feel his presence
out there, whether it's you know, we've probably even a
lot of people have seen the video of him tossing
Dewan Jones, or just the way when he eats up
that block off the edge like the other guy just
gets tossed, gets thrown back a little bit. Just he's
(32:00):
never giving ground and he's disruptive. His speed shows up.
I just think that alone is sort of the floor.
Now it's a matter of growing the rest of it
out of his game. But you can you can see
the difference that he made.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I just thought to myself, like, holy crap, wait till
this guy learns what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, and he's so you know, and it's such a difference.
And I'm really excited that Sam Hubbard's gonna be back
as rule of the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
And everything he's got.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
But like, there's just such speed differential right when you're
having now schmar out there with what Sam was kind
of being asked to do last year, especially as he
got hurt and was banged up over the course last year.
So and it makes it It makes such difference, especially
when you're trying to chase down that stuff on the backside,
uh and everything else, and he obviously has the power
at the point of attack to hold up You're right though.
(32:47):
I mean, it's like if you could just take Sam
Hubbard savvy and intellect, uh yeah, give it to Sam
Stewart right now, you let's go, you'd have an all pro.
But it's gonna take some time. But certainly you so
a lot of the lot of signs that it sort
of reminds me of his camp where it was surprising
how quickly he came in and was noticed and and
(33:07):
made it made a big difference.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And then with Dylan Fairchild, I'll make this about the
offensive line as a whole. They had the series from
Hell late in the game, and that was awful. One
of the reasons why to me it was awful. Up
until that point, I had very little issue with how
the offensive line played, and Dylan Fairchild's a part of that.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And if we break this game up and look at
the first half, I thought the pockets were great.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
First half it was like it felt like Burrow was comfortable.
He had time to sit back and find what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
They were moving the ball on the ground.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Specifically on the first drive, they were getting those short yardage.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean it felt like you saw them.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I didn't find myself noticing Dylan Fairchild as the game
went on. There were certainly spots where it wasn't. But
I mean a rookie guard. I mean, I can go
back and think to some of the rookies we've watched
play that position in recent years in their first game
or two, and how ugly it is and how hard
that is to never have done that in the NFL
(34:04):
before and go do it, especially when that group and
they're you know, Miles Garrett is teleporting from outside the
tight end to the a gap and in a in
a snap, and you got to try to be there
like they're trying to work stuff up to take advantage
of you. You're gonna get taken advantage of some uh so,
But I thought, yeah, I mean, it continues to be
(34:26):
an arrow up situation with Dill. With Dylan, even though
there was some growing pains in his first game.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Your take before Sunday was they'll start the season two
and two.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Do you still believe that? Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
It was it was with probably a sloppy win at
Cleveland was what I counted.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know, Jacksonville Jacksonville is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
The swing game for me because I do think they'll
win one of Minnesota and Denver just by nature of
you know, the coin flip NFL, and I think they're
just as good, if not better than.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Those two teams.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
The Jacksonville game and being able to contain the Jaguars offense,
which is gonna be a lot more potent than when
Cleveland had and not have some of the early growing
pains of this. I just feel like the defense is
gonna cost them a game or two early and maybe
that was encouraging that maybe they won't. After what we
saw on Sunday, you can maybe you can start to
(35:21):
believe the other side a little bit more. I am
a little bit more. But I'm really curious to see
what it looks like against Liam Cohne and Trevor Lawrence
and Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter and everybody that they're
gonna have in Jacksonville, who just you know, had an
easy twenty six points against Carolina this past week, and
(35:42):
if they can hang in there.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But yeah, if they win this one, I would switch
to three and one. But this is kind of the
swing game, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
We're gonna play a little game of run passer boot.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
When we come back. All Right, I'm excited about that
thing too. I am too. We're doing this basically for
my own amusement.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
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Paul Danner Jr. With us for another few minutes. The
Growler podcast. Do you play a game of Run Passer Boot?
Here's the game of run passer Boot. I want to play, so,
as far as I'm concerned, Sunday is the Andre Schmidt game.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
The kicker for the Browns weird Z.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He has no vowels in his name, so I want
you to run passerboot. These three athletes sports figures who
have last names with no vowels in them. Bill Miltvie
played basketball for Temple, still holds a unique record in
college basketball that I don't think is ever going to
be broken. He spelled his name m l k v
(37:28):
y wow and his record is for the Temple Owls
in the nineteen fifties. In the game against Wilkes Bar,
he scored fifty four consecutive points. Fifty four consecutive points
like nobody else. I'm not even sure got a shot off.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Uh, sounds like he could use an assist along with
his vow Let's say, you know, you don't want to
you don't want to play with that.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
They called him the Owl without a vowel, The Owl
without a vowel. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Washington Nationals pitcher Zach Brooks b r z y k
C why.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Or Andre Schmidt.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Well, I think Bengals fans are clearly gonna run with
Andre Schmidt. Okay at this point for delivering a victory.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sz myt. I just had to relook it up just
for the uninitiatd. It's not the typical smelling of.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Schmidt having to write that without being like I hadn't.
I didn't even know who their kicker was. I'm not
gonna lie right, I'm gonna admit my own fault here.
I went into that game and the moment he trotted
out and they said, I thought they said, Andre Smith.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I gotta tell you I looked up.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
To see, please tell me Andre Smith is out there
kicking these the extra point and I was like, who
is that?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And so I remember looking and being like, oh, that's
right they did.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
They cut their kicker and brought this guy in, which
is like the.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Most Browns thing.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It's always something like just quick trigger on a kicker
that you're just gonna throw out the door because he
misses a couple of kicks and bring in someone with
a Z in his name and think that they're not
gonna blow the game for you. So yeah, I I
I clearly you're gonna run with him.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
They're running with him.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'm gonna I'm gonna pass. I'm gonna pass on Bill
the owl with a vowel because I like that.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I like that nickname.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I like the out without a vowel, owl without a
vow I like I like that phrase.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And then I'm gonna I'm gonna boot.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Bricks bricks Zach Brigsy, Yeah, hard.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Pass on him.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
His last name sort of looks like an eye chart, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Bill Miltviie.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
What I found out about him is his name used
to have an eye in it, and through high school
and then somebody realized like, actually, our name doesn't have
an eye in it.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Did you ask chat GPT for all the athletes without
vowels in their last name, So it came out.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I knew that the Temple Owls had a guy who
scored fifty four consecutive points in a game. I knew that,
I did not know it was Bill Miltby. So there
was an element of delight when I googled athletes with
last names with no vows that Bill came up. And,
by the way, just passed away a few years ago,
(40:13):
and I forgot about Zach Brisey pitches for the Washington Nationals.
And then she's not an athlete, but she was the
general manager of the Miami Marlins. Kim Ing and gee,
that is the most popular name in the United States
among people who don't have a vwl in their last name.
I did an extraordinary amount of research waiting to talk
(40:35):
to UC offensive line coach Nick Cardwell today.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
What I was gonna say is, don't you ever try
to tell me you don't have enough time in your
day anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I don't want to hear typically do not.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
This morning, I did waiting for an offensive line coach
to come out of a meeting for a pregame interview,
and I thought, I want to see what other athletes
there are or sports figures that.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Don't have a vowel in their last thing? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Did you then ask the offensive line coach if he
knows of any no he could add to the conversation,
or did you immediately tell him and be like, hey,
do you know about the owl without a vow? I
could have I literally I wrote all this down well,
so he could have sawd my notes and asked like,
why do you have the phonetic pronunciation of zach Berksy?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
There, there's your list. There's the list.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I wonder if our our our guy Andre Schmidt with
the Z is gonna anybody need to know how to
spell his name for very long?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I'm actually surprised that we haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah, I feel like, what was it moody Jake May
got cut by the forty nine ers today?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
That feels like that feels like a guy that might
land in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Anybody else? Who'd we have kicking for us at the
end of last year? Who's the Bengals kicker.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Or k York he came?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's right, they can get here that's right and get
him back.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know, big kid York vibes on the miss thirty
four yard or by.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The way, no not about it from Andre Schmid. I
did ask Dan Horde. I'm like, you know, obviously there's
pronunciation guides and I'm like, any any issue with that?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
He's like, Nah, that guy kicked for Syracuse for four years,
dance well aware, so he probably knew there's a good
chance this one might not make it.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's why in his call he didn't sound that surprise
when he missed that kid.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I was talking to Zach Jackson, who covers the Browns
for us afterwards, and he said, after that guy missed
the extra point, I knew that there is the way
another kick is going through the uprights.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The rest of the day. I have seen this show
too many times before.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
You could read Paul Danner Junior the Athletic dot Com.
Listen to the Growler podcast and we will see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Can't wait.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
We're at Oakley Greens here till six o'clock. It's coming
up on four o'clock. My name is Malwegar. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.
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