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We just talked with Shamar Stewart. Now we're gonna chat
with somebody who watched to play every single down at
Texas A and M.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We used to have on our show all the time.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Kyle Caskey, former Bengals running backs coach now working for
the Saint Louis BattleHawks at A proud Texas A and
M alum.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So this morning I text him, I go, you.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Gotta get me somebody or help me get somebody, or
tell me about someone that can talk about Shamar Stewart.
And instantly he's like, you gotta get on. Billy Lucci
Textaggs dot com this is the guy. So I texted
Billy and he said, yes, So here he is to
talk about Shamar Stewart. Billy Luci Textags dot Com. I
appreciate the time, Billy, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm good? My Mankawski how I'm gonna let him down?
So hopefully this would be a good, little informative segment.
There's a lot of I'm sure there's a lot of
build up from him, so I got to live up there.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah a lot. Yeah, so high standards, we've set the
bar high. How good is Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's he's first of all, I'm gonna say this, he's
better than if you watch that NFL draft last night
and hear what they say, and he's better than advertised,
you know, in terms of what he's done on the
football field. I feel like there's a little bit of
a I think everyone's right when they say his upside
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is off the charts. You know, they you know, I've
seen the Daniel Hunter comparison, physical free top one percent
of athletes at that position, rare what he can do,
all of those things. But I feel like in the
process they look at that sack total. We talked about
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that in the second. I'm sure you're gonna want to,
but I think they forget that this dude was pretty
good SEC defensive end this year. And by pretty good,
I mean pretty damn impactful. I think a lot of
it has to do more with scheme. Had he been
in a more cut the d n lose, let him attack,
be really disruptive, try to get in the backfield and
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maybe take more risks. I think that would have been
That's kind of like what Miles Garrett did at A
and M, and that was that scheme under Elko is
more of a guy that like if you Bobby Brown,
de Marvin Leal, these type guys that the numbers sacked
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numbers of the end. You know, took Michael Clemens until
his senior year to really put that up. I think
Shamar Stewart was pretty darn good against the run. He's
a tough dude. He played all year with a I'd
see him after games. Clearly had a stinger that he
was working through during most football games on the sidelines
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when he wasn't and there he played hurt most of
his junior year and he was third team All SEC.
And I know a lot of times you're not going
to sit there and go, oh wow, third team All Conference,
but that's in the Southeastern Conference. That means one of
the top you know, they viewed him as one of
the top six defensive ends in the league. And I
think his best football absolutely is ahead of him with
the right coaching.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So you mentioned the one and a half sacks and
four and a half over three seasons, and you're right,
that's what everybody here has has focused on.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What's weird about it is thirty nine pressures and we
just had him Onnitor.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
He went out of his way to mention, like, I
led my team thirty nine pressures. It's almost mathematically impossible
to have thirty nine pressures in just one and a
half sacks. So he's he's beaten guy at the point
of attack, he's shedding blockers, he's at least running past
somebody who's trying to block him. Is it just a
matter of him not being able to finish? Why Why
was the sack total so low relative to the amount
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of times that he put pressure on the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think he's a couple of things. And I think,
first of all, you know, I don't think he's going
to be a von Miller or Miles Garrett when you're
thinking of Texas, A and m Like, those guys just
had that natural something different that most even NFL rushers
just do not have. And I don't think Schamar's necessarily
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got he's been he was so kind of one dimensional
early in his career with a power just a bull rush,
and it was really effective. But I felt like early
in his career he's pretty one dimensional as a pass rusher.
He's evolved since then. But the other thing he's not
that get real low to the ground. Those guys that
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almost bend the edge. They look like they're almost coming
in at a you know, sub forty five degree angle,
and you wonder how they're even keeping their feet. And
you're talking about the most special of the specials, right,
and I got to see two of them at A
and m and in Vaughan and Miles. He's not that,
but he's got some real natural past rush ability and real, uh,
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just truly explosive athleticism, like gifted, gifted to the point
that guy's scouts by say, guys, scouts have been telling
me for two years, like this dude's going to be
a first round pick. And I had a guy tell
me before this season, like he looked like Clowney. He's
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athletic like Clowney, but he's a lot more flexibility than
Clowney has. And you know, and Clowney had all the production,
there's no doubt. And that's and again, I don't know
how much of that was scheme related. And if Shamar
had he played someone where they just cut the ends loose,
what would happen? Happened, But he had those pressures you
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mentioned it. I was talking this morning on the radio.
I said, go watch the LSU game. He was about
a whisper away from sacking Jaydon. If it wasn't Jaydon
Daniels last season, He's got three sacks in that LSU game.
I mean, he it had to have been so frustrating
for him in the entire defense in NFL fans now, no,
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that's Jaden Daniels. But yeah, throughout his career. Man Elijah Robinson,
who recruited him to A and M out of Miami
and was a and MSD line coach until he's Syracuse's
DC now and I had dinner with him right before
he left. And we're talking about this upcoming season, meaning
this this past year and he said, he said, don't
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forget Shamar. We were talking about the defensive line. He goes,
Shamar Stuart is like, he goes, if you watch his
last four or five games, and that was the LSU
game the Mississippi State and there was a few others
in there. He said, he so close. He should have
had like eight sacks in those four games. Like he's
just turned it up to a whole other level. So
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I think if the scouts watch the tape, they see
it's in there. But I also understand. I've talked to
Shamar right before the draft, and the Patriots were showing
legit interest at four, but really the the Saints. I
think it was the forty nine ers, Saints Cowboys showing
a ton of interest in his You know, I don't
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think the Bengals ever came up, but the Saints, forty
nine Ers, Cowboys. I know people on a couple of
those teams, and they were very, very high on him.
He could have gone five six picks higher, and in
a couple of instances, I think they took other pass rushers.
And I get it, like I I understand if you're
in the NFL and you're taking the top ten or
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twelve fifteen pick and you're going, eh, gosh, I just
I wish I could see six facts a year for
the last three years, I feel a lot better. So
I understand the hesitation, but that's where the Bengals could
be big winners here, if you know they they didn't
flinch where others did. And maybe the Bengals, I don't know,
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maybe they flinch it can with other guys on the board.
Maybe they don't. Maybe they were just sitting there hoping
he fell to them. But I think this will be
a really interesting pick to follow, not just for Bengal fans,
but for the teams that passed him up too. So
and here's the other thing. I don't know if you
guys have heard this or anything. I deal with these
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guys a lot, and now in the NIL era, they
come in and do interviews way more so than in
recent college football history, where the you know, everything's tried
to kept in house and it's really tame and filter
and not fun to cover if you're covering the individual players,
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Like I didn't get to interview Miles a lot one
on one. Now I or convented that just because I
knew guys over the year. Shamar Stewart has really in
the last three years from when he got to A
and M. He's a pleasure to work with and he's
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a great presence in that building, whether it's you know,
position meetings, in the weight room, just hanging I see
him down there sometimes I go in there to go
interview coaches or something. I walk in he's hanging out
in the lobby of the football building talking to the
staff down there, like you know the lobby, your people
working down there. He's just big smile, good energy, hard worker.
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Like I said, he plays hurt. There are a lot
of things to like, and I get it. People nitpicked
the lack of fact numbers and I understand that four
and a half in three years. It's definitely something that
catches your attention. But if I'm a Bengal fan, I'm
going thirty nine pressures. If he'd have finished another can
of those and had twenty nine pressures in fifteen sacks
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in his three years, he might have been a top
five pick. So if you're a Bengal fan, I'd be
sitting there going, okay, let's see if we got a
steel here. Because it's it's very possible that that's the case.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He he mentioned us versatility. How much did they move
him around?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Not a whole lot. And I think he can. I
think he I think he absolutely can. Like I think
Shamar is going to grow more in terms of you know,
just fill out going from you know, he just finished
his third year of college. In another couple of years,
I think he might have another you know, ten twelve
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pounds of muscle on him, if not, if not more
than that. He's he's a specimen and he can play.
They'd move him a little bit where he'd be inside,
but they had a lot of versatility. There a guy
that's going to get drafted today. Shamar Turner earlier in
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his career played end and he was versatile, and then
they moved him into be a smaller inside guy. He's
like muscled up, not a fat guy, inside guy that
could play inside or out. So there was a lot
of versatility, and I think that kept Chamar from being
you know, used like that because he didn't have to.
But I've seen him drop, I've seen him you know
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from every once in a while you'd see him standing up.
But they had guys that couldn't do what Shamar could do,
and it kept them from really throwing him around because
there were guys that couldn't sit there and set the
edge like he can. He was, he's a he is
athletically like a a you know, finesse pass rushing edge freak.
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When you see him, you know, like, gosh, that guy
looks exactly like you want to see him. Look like
ten out of ten. He runs exactly like you see him.
Want to run, jump, change your direction, all that stuff.
But when he plays, he plays more like a hand
in the dirt grinder guy. And I just think with
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NFL coaching and the amount of time they can spend
with him, you you let this guy perfect another move
or to as a pass rusher, he's going to be
really difficult to stop.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Well, they've they've got Shamar Stewart and McKinley Jackson, so
you know down there, you guys are gonna have to
I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now we got Zach Taylor. Zach used to live in
that neighbor. We talk while walking the dog. You know
Zach's I mean, Zach here's a crazy I mean, Bengals
fans probably don't care much about this, but it's pretty interesting. Uh,
there was a time period where Dan Campbell is my
roommate all through college. Dan was at A and M
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deciding if he was going to coach, and he was
there during the spring just kind of volunteering under Mike Sherman.
Zach Taylor was on that staff as a as a
grad assistant at the time. I don't even know if
they were calling him analysts yet, but Zach Taylor was
on the staff, Dan Campbell was there working with him.
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You had Johnny Manziel was on campus red shirting or
he was he had just gotten there. Mike Evans Johnny
were on campus I think red shirting. But then you
had Jake Matthews number six pick, Luke Jokols and who
was the number two overall pick. There was a lot
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of coaching and player talent on that A and M
roster at that time. And Cedric a boy he was
there as well. He was in that recruiting class who
was a former Bengal first round draft pick. So there
was an interesting time at A and M circa about
twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Or yeah, yeah, sounds long like it. I can't thank
you enough for doing this. I'll tell Kyle you knocked
it out of the park. And if they draft any
more Aggies, you'll hear from you. Man, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
All right, man, appreciate you. Thanks well, you got it.
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