The Mo Egger Show w/ Chad Brendel -- 6/6/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Teen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Here we go Friday in the Queens City. It is
load management summer. That means Chad Brindle in the driver's
seat from Moeggar who uh is getting the extra day
on his weekend. Good for him, Thank you for choosing me.

(00:40):
No Tarren Bland today a little depressing, but uh that's okay.
We're in good hands. Austin Elmore on the ones and
twos filling in. I was launch awdy, it was delectable, Chad, lovely.

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Thank you for lunch, No problem, one of my favorite
quickly becoming one of my favorite spots.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
But JNW Sandwich Shop at Norwood makes a great double
decker and they're fans of the show, fans of the station.
They listen regularly. Their delivery driver listens to fifteen thirty exclusively.
So I think that that merits a mention.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
What's what's their name?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I don't know the delivery driver's name. I just know
every time I come in there, he's very excited to
see me.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wow. You try to give the guy a shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
He's usually really busy, like I don't want to bother him,
Like he's coming, you know, he's coming back. From a delivery.
He runs in, he grabs all the stuff to go
on his next delivery. He's I don't want to be
that annoying guy. That's like, you know, monopolizing his time.
Ship's already sailed there. Yeah, that's fair. I am the
annoying guy. It's fine. I went to a concert Wednesday, Austin.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Nice man.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It was probably not your cup of tea, probably not
second row for Sizza and Kendrick Lamar in Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I would absolutely go to that concert. It was really good,
really good. The surprising best part. DJ Mustard was the
opener and played hits spanning from like the seventies, eighties
all the way through current day hip hop. A lot
of fun during the DJ Mustard set. Had a good time.

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Stayed with my uncle who lives just outside of Saint Louis, Austin.
I might need to go on the other station for this.
My uncle lives like he lives on the Illinois side,
so he's a lifer in the Air Force. Scott Air
Force Base is just outside of Saint Louis and on
the Illinois side. We stayed at my uncle's house.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
We drove like six minutes to the Metro train station,
paid two dollars and fifty cents a ticket, and got
on the Metro and wrote it downtown, got off half
a block from the dome that the Rams used to

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play in where the concert was right, concert was over,
exited straight back to the train station, on the train
back to you know, eight minutes from my six minutes
from my uncle's house, in no time.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Why don't we have that here? That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Why Why is that not an option that you know,
didn't have to pay to park downtown twenty thirty fifty
dollars for an event, parking downtown, didn't have to deal
with the traffic when the event was over, just casually
strolled to the train station, hopped on the train back
in the suburbs in like twenty twenty five minutes.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, I mean I've experienced that a couple of different
places where I've gone seen sporting events like Grigley Field, Yes,
good example, hop on the el, go up to get
off at Addison and right there's the ballpark. Same thing
with the Navy Yard in DC with where the Nats play,
super convenient. I just don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Why Why is why one Why does every city not
have it?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's big gas, big car like that. Those are the
people holding down public transportation right Austin.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Big gas, big gas. It sounds like a nickname of
a future Red Relieve.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Sounds like you had too many refried beans on taco Tuesday,
is what it sounds like. Big Gas. I just riding
the train back after the concert. I was like, Man,
how many shows and things we've done in downtown Cincinnati
where you know it takes fifteen minutes to get out
of there. My daughter went with my late wife's cousin

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to Blink. They were stuck in a traffic in a
parking garage for two hours getting out of Blank.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, two hours. It's gotten considerably worse here for Reds
and Bengals games.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, it's not getting any better. Do something about it.
Build us something that goes from Mason to the airport.
They had two different trains, the Blue Line and the
Red Line, and one came in and one went out.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
And.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's like six seven minutes we were on the platform
total on the way home at eleven thirty at night.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
It was unbelievable. It was great. Sorry, I didn't plan
on going on that rant.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But it was one of those things I was thinking
about when I was there, like how much easier would
it make tailgating, or how many more people would would
be likely to go to a Reds game if they
could just drive to the spot, the train spot in
their neighborhood or walk to it, get on the train,
and be downtown for two dollars and fifty cents without

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the hassle. And then when the game's over, you walk
back to the train spot, you hop on, you're ride home.
It'd be safe for Austin. Yeah, go down there, has
some some beverages, stand a public transportation. It's just annoying
that this city, with as much as it has to offer,

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doesn't offer its people the chance to uh to take
advantage of that. The trolley just goes downtown. Street car,
whatever the heck you want to call it. Streetcar.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think the street car is a positive experience. I
think it's a positive experience. Times that I've done it,
I think it's positive.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, that's not to knock the street car itself. It's
not the street car's fault, Austin, but it's too limited.
I live in northern Kentucky. What's the streetcar do for me.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
True, same for me. I have to drive somewhere to
get on the street car. Right.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Ah, that's just a little It's something that had been
bothering me for the past thirty six hours. Is you
know those drive homes. You've done this a lot. Like
those drive homes. After going to sporting events or concerts
or whatever, you get a lot of time to think,
a lot of time to yourself. Cincinnati being behind Saint Louis,
Saint Louis, similar city, similar socio economic situation, and they've

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got it and we don't. It angers me anyhow, Sports
Big Show Today, We've got Richard Skinner coming up here
in about oh fifteen twenty minutes or so, we'll talk
some Bengals as the mandatory portion of the off season

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program is coming in play on Monday. What does that
look like? Do we expect to see Trey Hendrickson? Will
he will he pull a Jamar Chase and hold in?
Will they find him if he doesn't? Jermaine Pratt Sjamar Stewart.
What what are those guys gonna gonna decide to do?

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Or how does that play out? And what does what
does it look like for the Bengals to be more
ready game one?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Does that start Monday? Is there a part of that
that comes into play where Monday is is now holding
a little bit more importance?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like Charlie Goldsmith said on on SINCY three sixty earlier,
great show, by the way, love the producer, the host
sor right, but that's it's one of the better shows
on on iHeart here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Is it just talk? Is it?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Is it a mentality? Is it something that has to
change mentally that they can't, you know, coast into the
season and then expect to get going. Because it all
goes back to something I've talked about for a couple
of years now. If you don't get the thirteen fourteen
wins in this AFC, yeah, you can hope to make

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a run in the playoffs where you're winning a bunch
of games on the road. But the reality is Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore,
those teams are gonna win twelve thirteen, fourteen games and
the Bengals are stuck in that nine, ten eleven range.
And that means not only are you gonna most likely

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play the AFC Championship game on the road, most likely
gonna play the divisional round on the road as well.
It's got to get better, so we'll talk about that
with Skinny. We've got Klay Snowden coming up at four
thirty to get into some Reds topics, including I've heard
Austin doing this a little bit, turning on t sixty

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three games into his Red Legs career as manager. It's
a fair I think in some ways, yes, because I
think there were some little things that I expected to
be cleaned up when you hire a Hall of Fame
caliber manager that those issues are still happening. But I

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also think it goes a little deeper than that. It
goes deeper than Terry Francona, it goes deeper than Nick Krawl.
The names have changed over the past twenty plus years,
the results haven't. That tells me it's not as simple
as Terry Francona is doing a bad job or Nick

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Krawl's not doing as good a job as we would like.
The problem is above that. But complaining about that problem,
I think has unfortunately started to grow weary in this
city because we've already been told Castellini's aren't selling and

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if the Reds aren't winning, what you're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
So.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's an interesting place that they're in at thirty and
thirty three, going into their series tonight against the thirty
one and thirty one Arizona Diamondbacks. Nicolodolo on the mound
by the way four and four with a three ten ERA.
He's facing uh Rodriguez for the Diamondbacks seven five ERA.

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The Reds have not released a lineup yet, have they, Austin.
I know they have actually while I was speaking, they
have released a lineup.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Would you like to read that or I can read
it if you'd like. I mean, I can't. I just
I do whatever you tell me. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I feel like this is something you're you do every
day on Sincy three to sixty.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I do. It does make the the you know, the
show a little less fun when I don't get to
read it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I didn't want to take that away from you, so
I'm going to let you have that right. Here's how
it goes tonight for the Red Legs. Leading off in
center field, TJ. Friedel batting second, playing third base, Santiago
Espinall the third batter is the designated hitter, Tyler Stevenson.
The cleanup hitter is left fielder Spencer Steer batting fifth,

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playing first base and making his return Christian Incarnassion Strand
who The sixth batter is catcher Jose Travino. Connor Joe
will bat seventh and play right field, while Matt McClain
plays shortstop and bat's eighth. The ninth batter is second
baseman Garrett Hampson with Nick Lodolo on the mound. Once more,

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that's Freedo, Espinal, Stevenson, Steer, Strand, Trevino, Joe McLain, Hampsen
with Lodolo on the mound. The Reds did not officially
put Ellie de la Cruz on the bereavement list. Charlie
Goldsmith reports that Ellie is on his way back to Cincinnati.
He's already had one flight canceled and is going through

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the travel issues of returning to Cincinnati. So I would
expect that the Reds will not put him on the
bereavement list, which would cause him to miss three games.
It sounds like the expectation was that he was going
to go home after the game Wednesday and then make
it back tonight. That's what it looks like. Yeah, kudos

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to him. I know it's an unbelievably terrible situation. I've
lost a sibling. I know how incredibly difficult that is.
I was right around his age when it happened. It's terrible.
Kudos to him for going home, handling his family business,
and then doing his best to get back here. Questioned

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Commercial at least flying commercial Reds couldn't have picked up
a tab on a charter for him.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know, I was wondering about that because they have
a large facility that they have built in the Dominican Republic, Yeah,
which is not uncommon. A lot of baseball teams do that,
and they constantly have people going back and forth. So
I was a little bit surprised well to hear that

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he would be I mean, I don't know the details.
Perhaps the weather is bad and whatever he's flying on
it's being canceled. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
My thought on that is just if he's willing to
not do the full three days and go home and
be with his family and the Dominican If he's trying
to do this, leave Wednesday, come back Friday, I mean,
it just makes sense to me, Hey, we got you

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be at the you know, be on the plane at
this time, be at the airfield at this time to
come home and we'll get you back to Cincinnati. I
don't want to make a thing out of it, but
that's what crosses my mind. And Ellie's having travel issues.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of variables mighty about
what he wanted to do or was indecisive, and so
who knows, who knows.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't want to get too deep in the weeds
there because I you know, it is what it is.
But it just seems like if you were, if you
were really wanting and planning to have him back for
tonight's game, maybe would have gone out of your way
to uh ensure that he was able to make a
return and not stuck in an airport somewhere. But Austin.

(15:38):
Wonderful job on the lineup, you can tell you, Jed,
that's something you've worked on over the years. It comes naturally.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I love the announcer voice you're you've developed that well. Yeah,
I can kind of turn it on turned off at times.
You know, it just depends on, like the veracit the
voraciousness of the point that I'm trying to make.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
That is definitely something that you know, if you're in
the business long you can turn turn on and turn
off the announcer voice now batting for the Cincinnati Reds,
like you can just go to that now in.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
My friends will tell you that for the last several years,
I mean over ten years, I have just randomly at
times in the first basement, Joey Vado, I do that
all the time. I did that, real problem. Yeah, I
did that a ton.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I grew out of it finally eventually, because I guess
I gave up on the dream of ever like being
you know, an announcer. If you ever done PA, I've
done some PA. I did. Actually, that's one of the
first things I ever did. We'll say, what's like the
largest venue or event you've done. I did the Florence
Freedom a couple of times. You go back in their first,

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first or second season. I did some TV and then
they had a situation where like the guy couldn't make
it that night. So I did a couple Freedom games
way way back when nothing major. I got more into
play by play early in my career, did a lot
of play by play.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Gotcha, But.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Let's take a break. When we come back. The fans
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Speaker 2 (18:19):
Chad Brendle sitting in for mo today. You'll hear a
lot of me this month. Bload management June is upon us.
Outside of I'm going on vacation in a couple weeks.
It's been a couple days in Daytona. Looking forward to it.
Terry Francona sixty sixty three games into his Cincinnati Reds

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managerial career already taken a lot of arrows, some of
it because I think he's been unfairly chippy with one
certain reporter, which look as somebody that was regularly a
target of the ire of McK cronin anytime the Bearcat's

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lost early in mixed tenure.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I get it. I've been there, I've done that. It's
kind of part of the gig.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I know I've seen I've seen Wes get on my
protege at Bearcat Journal, Keegan Nicholson. I've seen Wes Miller
get on him a little bit after a loss. That's
that's just coaches for the most part, general mindset. They're
a little surly after a loss. A lot of times
they tend to pick out somebody that they just don't

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they don't like their questions or they they they I'm
gonna kind of go after this guy.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't necessarily agree with it. I think it's dumb,
but I get the uh where it comes from. I
don't think it's malicious. I think it's more I'm frustrated,
and I know you can take it than it is
anything else.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
But he's come off a little whiny. He's and for
the most part, questions that seem fair. You're the manager,
who you hit or don't hit in the ninth inning
is going to be questioned in the games you lose.
But boy said, he's turning on a Hall of Fame
manager quick, turning on Nick crawl Quick. If you look

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back over twenty years, there's been a lot of names
in that managerial spot. There's been a lot of names
in that GM spot. None of them have won a
playoff series. There's only one thing that has stayed the same.
I know, it's hard to blame management over and over
and over because it's very clear that the management, the
ownership group of the Cincinnati Reds does not plan on

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becoming the former ownership group of the Cincinnati Reds. Sometimes
you got to keep your eye on what the real
reason that this franchise is stuck in purgatory is.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
We'll get to that more a little bit later. Let's
take a break. Rich Skinner from Local twelve. Coming up next,

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Speaker 2 (21:47):
Burler right along hour number one, The Malwagger Show since
Anti's ESPN fifteen thirty. Chad Brindle filling in for let's
go to our first guest of the afternoon, My good
friend Richard Skinner from Low Called twelve, digital content editor
and producer, co host of the Skinny Podcast. If it's
named after you, were you the co host or are

(22:09):
you the host? And then Rick is the co host?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Well, he kind of runs the show, so I guess
I would be the co host.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
But it's named after you.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
It is that that That's a good point. I guess
changed at some point.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
You haven't changed it yet. I used to be on
that show. There was never any talk of changing the names.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
That's a good point too. You're right of us did it.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
You're right it was the college basketball edition.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You had the Skinny podcast with Rick and then we
did the college basketball edition. Look, I'm just gonna say, Skinny,
both teams were really good when the three of us
did that show, and since we stopped doing that show,
I'm not saying I'm just saying both teams well.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Technically a really all three teams that we talked about
were really good back Kentucky as well.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
So yes, I mean maybe.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
We maybe there's the common denominator and.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know, we can do it remote now, we don't
have to go into Local twelve every Sunday at ten
o'clock at night to record a show.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I'm sure that's the way you are with the Bearcat
Jeral podcast too, right, Like it's so cool you could
open your laptop and go, I mean, yeah, you don't
have to. You don't have to physically go anywhere to record.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Anything any It's so beautiful, like with stream Yard now,
like everything it looks professional, it looks good. You just
pop on, you know, five minutes before that was like
a two hour process, not counting that hour and a
half we recorded the show.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Correct, they're driving in, getting set up, make sure it
sounds right, and yeah, no, much much.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Different reds Terry Francona. They're turning on Tito a little
bit already. We are sixty three games in. I think
I don't think he's been perfect by any stretch of
the imagination. But are we losing sight of once again
the fact that for twenty plus years the main thing

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has been the main thing? And we want to point
fingers at Terry Francona and Nick Krawl. It ain't Terry
Francona and Nick Krawl at the heart of the matter.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Boys and girls, I don't did you did you do
the red line up yet on the show?

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
We did?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Okay, my word, Almighty. One of your corner Infielders is
Santiago Espinal h We're gonna get a great weekend of
Garrett Hampson playing every day because Ellie's on the bereavement list.
Well he's not third the orders. That's a good point,
but he's not. He's not in. So we got Connor, Joe,
Matt McClain and Hampson at the bottom third of this

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order and Crossios train has just come back. Why I'm
I'm this is this, This has got to be the
time he starts to go I I've been bullish on
him and he hasn't done anything. I know, injuries have
robbed him. That lineup is horrifying. I'll tell you what, Jady,
was it Wednesday to day game. As you know, I
may place a wager now and again, but I was
really busy Wednesday and I was driving to go coach
back a couple of coachs on the basketball and I

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heard the Reds line up that day. I'm like, oh, gosh,
I gotta see what the over under is. I saw
it was nine. I didn't get a chance. I was
gonna place it under bed. I was gonna run to
the window. And then you know, obviously Wade Miley helped
the game go over. So I'm kind of glad I didn't.
But man, all you took us to hear that line
up and goo saw them on the run today and
they did they get their one.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Good for them, this is but this has been a
thing for a decade. Like how many times over the
past decade have the has the lineup come out and
we've gone, what how did we get here?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
No? No, that's a good points. And and here's the thing,
This is the sobering part to this is it just
feels like it's trending towards another reboot, right And I
don't know how many fans be canuse I can't stomach
that anymore. I don't know how many fans could stomach
that anymore. And listen, if that's the case, if we're
going to that, let's reboot everything. Let's reboot ownership, Let's

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reboot the front office. I'm not trusting Nick Crawl to
do another reboot, are you? I?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Honestly, I don't think Nick Crawl is as bad as
some have painted the picture, because I think a lot
of things that he does are handcuffed by ownership. But
he hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination.
I think he's done okay given the constraints that he
is required to work with. Here's my concern, Skinny, What

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in the world would they get for any of these
guys if they did another reboot, at least like you know,
the one in the early twenty tens. There were guys
that had proven a lot, the ones right after COVID,
there were guys that had proven a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
What in the world. Are they going to get out
of this bunch?

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
And then the sobering part is you would have hoped
Rhet Lauder would have been in the mixed because of
his injury situation. At the moment, I'm guessing Chase Burns
will eventually be in the mix at some point this summer.
So you do have some kits maybe in the rotation.
I mean, teams are always looking at bolster at the deadline.
I mean Nick Martinez could be a tradable piece. Brady
Singer could be a tradable piece. I don't know what
you get, but I think you get back way more

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for Nick Martinez. I think he actually be a valuable
piece to trade because you do have some young pitching there.
But yet to your point in the lineup, I mean, no,
there's there's there isn't one, you know. I I had
a question on the podcast asked of me the other
day that Rick and I did about you know, would
you consider at some point when would you consider trading Ellie?
And I'm I'm not there yet. I don't think anybody

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should be there yet. But I mean, are we gonna
watch them waste whatever development he comes into superstardom because
it feels like it's closing in. Man, it feels like
he's getting a little bit more consistent. It doesn't feel
far away, not quite there yet. But are they really
gonna waste that? And if not? I mean, what could
you get back? I mean again, there's a lot of

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questions to me. I will say this, Throw Matt McLain
in there every day the rest of the year. Throw
Ces in there every day the rest of the year.
You know, see what you've got in those guys, and
you know sere, Yeah, see what you got in those guys.
And if they produced great, Okay, those were gonna be
part of the Those were supposed to be parts of
this process, right. It was supposed to be Matt McLain
at the top of the lineup, Ces in the middle

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of this lineup, Spencer Ce maybe hit in a six
hole with twenty five home runner thirty home run power.
That's what they were banking on. And I don't blame
them for that. I mean, when they all all were
coming up and doing that, it's like, Okay, this is
a good nucleus. Well it's not at the moment, but
I think you need to use the rest of this
year or whatever it is, to find out are they
bonafide or are they not bonified? And if they're not, okay,

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we need to go fix this and fix this quickly.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Brings me to my other major concern, the development of
position players.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
In this franchise.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Right It's a great point.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, Jay, Bruce, Brandon Phillips, like that crew is
the last time I really felt like there was an,
you know, Todd Frazier, an incredible level of development amongst
the position players right now, when other than just the
obvious of Ellie who you know, it's it's officially today,
two years since he's been called up. I think he's

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been really good. But other than that, and he's a
generational talent, what in the world have they developed?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
That's a good question. I mean, I think you you know,
it's fair to point the injuries out. My claim missed
obviously all of last year because of the old league
and CEES has dealt with all kinds of injury issues.
Steer started this year with that shoulder issue and he's
actually started to hit him late and maybe that's because
the shoulder is getting healthier. So maybe again that's why
I say, let's let this whole thing play out. Hopefully
it plays out with those guys healthy and getting you know,

(29:19):
if that's on a daily basis, Let's see what we
got and if not, then yes, we can certainly point
to your point. I mean, developing players. I think has
been a practfall this team for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Let's move to the Bengals. OTAs are mandatory, Voluntary OTAs
are done. Mandatory OTAs start on Monday. Will we see
Trey Hendrickson hanging around and holding in If you will.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
That's a great question. I'm gonna say yes, because he
likes his money and I don't think he's gonna want
to get fined. I'm going to guess he will have
talked to Zach Taylor by then, and Zach will probably
a masalad like he did Jamar Chase last year. Remember
Jamarrow didn't do anything in the in the in the
voluntary portion. Did show up for Minnie Camp, but but
didn't really participate. But he was on hand. He you know,

(30:11):
was was there when they were doing the installs. He
was taking metal reps all those things. You know, I'm
guessing Zach did a massala there and said show up
that way, you don't get fined be a part of this,
and he was, and my guess is Trey will do
the same thing. The other interesting one to me is
Jermaine Prattice still under He hasn't. Yeah, he hasn't been

(30:31):
any of any of the voluntary stuff because he demanded
the trade. He saw them draft a couple of linebackers
and sign Warren Burks and kind of saw the riding
on the wall. I'm sure. And yet you know again,
this is mandatory, right, So is he gonna be there
next week? And at what level does he participate? If
he shows up?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And then Shamar Stewart, they are counting on him to
be a big plead piece of this defense. Is it
as simple as the Bengals just need to get there?
They're changing the language in the rookie contract. Okay, that's fine,
But if you're gonna do that, this is a give
and take situation. Will the Bengals give a little to
get this thing across.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
The finish line? They can't have this guy this much more.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I'm with you. I mean, you've you've, you've I mean,
people can go well, it's just O TA, I get it.
It's fine, but but I still stand by this alcohol
comment sticks with me from when we talk to him
up at the combine of you know, talking about trying
to hit the ground running and canting. He talked about it.
He needed every O t a practice he could possibly
get to get guys up the full speed. And yes,

(31:33):
Shamar Stewart's there watching. Yes, all reports are he's an
attentive kid. He does all the right things and you
know in the in the meeting rooms all that. But
to the other point of it is, it's important for
those guys to take physical reps as well. And so
you've missed all this time of him taking physical reps.
You know, if he's not under contract, he's not gonna
take part next week either, I mean mandatorily. He'll be
there again, He's been at every OTA, he just hasn't participated.

(31:56):
And then, you know, do we have this stalemate until
camp comes? And then what happens when camp comes around.
I don't think his side's gonna budget on this because
again they don't want I don't plan in The Bengals
are trying to make a precedent setting contract for whatever reason,
I don't know, but they're trying. And it's to this
point the other side has said no, don't forget Demetrius

(32:17):
Knight is technically not signed yet either. Now, he did
sign his waiver to be able to have some under contract,
but he's not under contract and so and they're trying
the same language with him too. So does he then
when camp rolls around, go no, I'm not doing this.
I'm not taking part in the physicality this without my
contract signed. So you had a couple of things, and
that's where it goes back to the Germaine Pride. This
is he liked the insurance policy that if somehow Knight

(32:39):
doesn't sign at at least he's still around at I
think they've dunning dirty to be quite frank. I mean, listen,
think what you want about what Jermain did on the
field last year. He wasn't very good. He looked a
step slow, but he was voted a captain by teammates.
He's been a serviceable starter in this league. He's been
nothing but a pro. Coaches have praised him for his
smarts and his professionalism. And you're gonna do the guy

(32:59):
like this and not let him go find another team
when you really don't have him in the works, other
than maybe to keep him as an insurance policy. That's
that's not that's bad.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
PFF article. Fine.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Last thing for you, PFF article stating or opining that
they have the Bengals as the eighteenth best roster in
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Hmm? I mean you've got some real stars though, but
they made that point.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
They're the stars, are the brightest of the bright, but
they haven't drafted and developed anyone.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
And it feels like three four years.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Well, Chase Brown, I'll put it in that mix.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
But I mean on a home like it is a
big picture. You're not talking about. There's a bunch of
guys that are coming into their like you know, they're
all pro level seasons or anything of that nature.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I will say, I think we would agree with this.
I haven't seen the article, but I would be willing
to guess at the defensive sidetracked.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And they said at the end of the article, if
if al Golden can get this young d defense playing,
they could jump as high as you know, eight but
right now they're eighteen.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think it's fair.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah. I mean if you look at mean the two
starting safeties last year, there were one hundred and seventy
one graded safeties in the NFL and Jordan Battle and
Genostone tied for one hundred and thirty six. So that's
gonna drag your grade down a little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
You had the two worst guards in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Two worst guards in the NFL, and now you've got
Fairchild and Lucas Patrick repping. And again that's a rookie
who you really don't know anything about until really the
bullets start flying. And Lucas Patrick's been a serviceable pro,
but he really has never nailed down starting positions in
his career. And yet he right now is currently at
least through the loota we saw last week he was
the starting right guard at least running with the first

(34:42):
team at right guard last week.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm worried a little.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm worried about everything in a stupid town right now, Skinny,
I don't feel good about anything.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I don't blame you, man, see, it's honestly I do.
I feel like with the Reds, it feels like I
just woke up and I was like, is this twenty
seventeen or twenty ninth? Just twenty twenty two? No, wait
a minut and it's twenty twenty five. I mean, Rick
made the play in a podcast of the other day.
He's like, remember talking about the Reds last year's time,
you know what their record was on the day we're
doing this podcast three twenty nine and thirty three, twenty
nine and thirty three, so yeah, one game difference and

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they are thirty and thirty three at that time.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Mean, it's just it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's uh, it feels like, at some point in time,
walk into my car, I'm going to run into Bill Murray.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
No exactly, no question. I mean that's literally what it
feels like. I mean, it feels like eons ago when
all that young group came up in twenty twenty three,
and there was legitimate reason to be excited because they
did things to make you excited. Now you're like Connor
Joe's in the lineup.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And he's bat in sixth or Seventhugh, what's Hampson's first name?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't even Scott Scotty Hopson. Is that the kid
from University Heights?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Exactly? I mean, good gracious, graty go look at that.
I mean, how that cat's on this roster is beyond me.
I guess that that's the indictment of all indictments.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's hope that we could get called up any day, Skinny. Yes,
keep my ALM ready, brother, talk to you soon. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
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Speaker 3 (37:12):
Somebody to run that account. That's what medium moguls do. Austin,
Have there been any forums about me lately? No?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, you haven't come up. That probably means you're slacking
or they've just tuned you out. One of the two
people finally realize they don't hate you. See you don't
love you. See I know I don't love them. I
treat them fairly. You do, you do, But you're I mean,
come on, you like stirring the pod.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm not a hater. You like stirring the pod. I
didn't say you're a hater. You like like I really
don't think I've ever purposely stirred the pot. I don't
know about that.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Didn't you ask one time who had the brighter future?
Luke Fickle, David Bell? Or It's a good question, and
I believe I was correct. You said, David Bell. Yeah, yeah,
and he got fired. Well, Luke Fickle got paid six
million dollars. Luke winning that either, No, but he but

(38:11):
he's he's winning at the bank. Sometimes probably said Zach.
Probably didn't say Zach. Then something I think you said,
David Bell that was that was? Well, Yeah, let's take
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Speaker 3 (39:01):
Thank you all for tuning in a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Coming up in hour two, we will get to the
conversation started on Pro Football Focus listing the Bengals as
the eighteenth best roster in the NFL going into this summer.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Right, wrong, fair, unfair. There's a lot to talk about there.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
We'll talk to Clay Snowden, our guy from Just Baseball
coming up here at four point thirty, so looking forward
to that. Before we get into those topics, though, I
guy Mark from Florence has been on hold for a
while now, so I wanted to get to him. Mark,
How is your Friday?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
My friend?

Speaker 8 (39:52):
I was going good? Now I got to hear the
walk up songs.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Brindle, you know that?

Speaker 9 (40:00):
Then?

Speaker 8 (40:00):
Then my big gonna be good. Yeah, skied right to it,
all right. I don't have a problem with Tito. I
think I like the fact that that leadoff hit the
spot has been solidified. Yeah, you know, he's in the
lineup every day, no matter if he's a lefty or
right He's up and down the lineup all last year.

(40:24):
So I think I think the reason for that is
because of Tito.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
That's possible for sure.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
Yeah, and the other players you know, either underperforming, dove
been hurt. So I think this season, I think you
gotta get him a pass.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I think, Mark.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think the only thing I would say that that
I maybe expected more of was some of the fundamental,
just mental stuff. I expected a sharper team, and they're
still making mental errors in the field. They're still making
not as many of late, but still some mental errors
on the base paths. I think there's just some of

(41:05):
that stuff that I thought would be quicker, a quicker
fix with a guy like Tito. But I'm also acknowledging
the fact that that that that could be a little
bit more difficult to correct than I have in my brain,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Then there's two other things. Let me make this point,
and then I'll get off. When he came in, he
had to inherit some of the coaches, he didn't bring
in his own coaches. And then I think with him
being the manager now as opposed to last year, I
think it makes the front office. It shows their incompetencies.

(41:49):
Ye are more grant ownership as opposed a lot.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Yeah, so I don't have a problem with him.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
There's also one more thing, Mark that I want your
thought on this. There's also something we haven't I haven't
heard talked about. The Cardinals, the Brewers, and the Cubs
are better. Well the Brewers maybe not, but those three teams,
like that's a much formidable top of the division than
a year ago.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
Well, well, I brought this up on Tony and the
three sixty Tony fight showed that the Reds have ever
since they they let Dussy Baker go.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I think they have rebooted this team what.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Three times at least, yeah, at least.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
And they're still stuck in neutral where you look at
teams like Houston and Chicago they stripped their teams down
and one hit yeah, and they're still good yep. So
so it's something going on with this organization, you know,
as far as building.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
A winning build a winning team.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
Yeah, I think is lacking in that development.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
So yeah, exactly. So, I mean, look at the outfielders.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
I mean, ever since Jay Bruce, who has came to
that farm system, you know that that.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Could play the outfield.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
Now they got Reees Hines down there, and it boggles
my mind that they don't want to give him an
everyday shot just to see what he could develop into.
I mean, Connor Joe and this Garrett Hampsome guy. I mean,
I mean, give me a break. I mean, I don't
want to see that.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Like like I told Richard Skinner earlier, Mark, keep your
arm freshing.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
You might be getting the call here soon.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
As a fan, Mark batting eighth in right field, Mark
from Florence.

Speaker 8 (43:50):
Okay, yeah, well yeah, with the with the way this
run office uh is putting putting lineups out there and
what they're calling up. I mean, don't be surprised and
listen to the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Argument. It's you know, for me, it keeps coming back
to development. I ask myself every time I sit down
and really start like trying to to create topics and
conversation for this franchise, where's the development? I know they

(44:26):
didn't have a chance to develop a first basement for
so long because Joey Vada was so good.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Who was Who's next? I guess it's supposed to be
Christian and Karnassi and Strand. It's not all his fault
because of the injuries, but.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
One of the great abilities is availability, and Christian in
Karnassi and Strand has not spent much time available to
the Cincinnati Reds. Where's the development of Spencer Steer, Where's
the development of Matt McClain.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
It can't.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I get injuries have played a factor in all of
those guys, but guess what it professional sports, injuries are
a part of the deal. If your guys are getting
hurt too often, or if they're not coming back ready
to play and capable of performing, isn't that somewhere you

(45:22):
have to look internally. Isn't that something you have to
examine if the tagline every year as well, if we
were healthy, if that's going to be your excuse, then
that's your problem.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
It's not like.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
This was a situation where this franchise has been in
the playoffs six of the last eight years or whatever,
and they've advanced to the NLCS and they've been a
relevant franchise in Major League Baseball, and then one year
pops up where you have some injuries and you don't
make the playoffs and you say, eh, rough here didn't
work out health wise, some key guys got banged up,

(46:11):
you know, really really limited our ability.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
You earn that pass. Where has this team earned a
Injuries got us? How many years in a row do
we get to hear that? It's on them? The development
is not happening.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Guys are not getting better under this ownership group for
whatever reason. I'm sure there's a multitude of reasons. But
at the end of the day, the bottom line is
winning games and advancing into the playoffs and giving your

(46:55):
fans something to look forward to. Going eighty and eighty
two is not something to look forward to. And that's
the standard. That's the bar that has been set by
this franchise. That's where the bar is set. Eighty two

(47:18):
and eighty two games over five hundred, win one more
than you lost. Instead of being eighty one and eighty one,
you're eighty two and eighty and boy, everybody in uh
the Castellini family is happy. Bananas for everybody that's not

(47:41):
good enough. Talked about this a ton over the years.
The bar should be ninety wins. That should be the bar,
and you should expect to clear it. But that's not
how this franchise operates. There's not an expectation to win.

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What has been the biggest problem this year. Go on
a nice stretch where you win four or five, four
in a row, whatever it is, and immediately followed by
two and four or one and five in the next
two series.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
It's been what.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Forty straight times they've lost game one of a series
and not been able to win the series. This is
a self fulfilling prophecy over and over again because the
franchise does not value setting the bar at ninety It

(48:49):
is perfectly fine with setting the bar at eighty two.
And what that means is if you get seventy eighth,
we were close.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
We were close.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Couple couple more goods this way or that way, if
this guy wasn't injured for six weeks. I always talk
about in sports, there's a very fine line between reasons
and excuses, and everybody's quick to point out or you know,

(49:20):
quick to call reasons excuses. The problem I have with
the Reds is they call excuses, reasons, they justify not
being good enough because the bar's not set high enough.

(49:41):
And now, all of a sudden, the last two off seasons,
the talk has been the NL central is shifting and
over the next four or five years it's there for
the taking for whoever is aggressive and wants to go
get it. The Brewers have been kind of the mainstay

(50:06):
over the past couple of years. Cubs, Cardinals, Reds Pirates
all four in a position to go on a three,
four or five year run where they're first or second
in the division. The Cubs and the Cardinals have taken

(50:29):
the bull by the horns. The Reds are comfortable sitting
in the front row watching the Pirates left the arena.
There's already talking about whin Are the Pirates gonna trade
Paul Skeans? But I guess from that perspective, I get
there's already talked about winn of the Red's gonna trade
La day Light cruizes.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
This if this is what it looks like, that's.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
What the Reds and Pirates have in common, and it's
it's nothing compared to Saint Louis and Chicago. They want
to win. They are serious about winning. When necessary, they
will sell assets and go get proven commodities. I keep

(51:17):
hearing like Jamer Candelario was some major free agent signing. No,
that's just in perception because the Reds spent more money
on him than they spent on anybody else. He was
the most expensive free agent. But guess what you bought
him in the discount Ben. Sometimes stuff in the scratch
and dent Ben is broken or it's not very good.

(51:41):
That's why it's in the scratch and dent, Ben, That's
why you got a discount on it. Candelario is never
going to be a guy to take this team over
the top. At best, he was going to be a
six to seven hitter that kept the train moving, got
you back to the top of the lineup fast. His

(52:02):
career numbers never said three hitter, four hitter guy. You
can bank your franchise on. Guy you can build around.
He's what other teams add as a piece at here.
He was added expected by some because he was the
guy that spent the most money on that he was
going to be better than he actually was. And when
inevitably he fails, people wonder what the front office is doing.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Well, they're trying to buy cheap. They're trying to buy
low and then hopefully guess what sell high at the
trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's infuriating. It's frustrating because you can see it clear
as day. The front office is not serious about winning.
They're serious about going five hundred. You know what they
don't want to do. They don't want to lose a
hundred games like they did, you know, a couple of year,
years in a row, right at that level, and then

(53:02):
nobody shows up and there's four five thousand people at
the ballpark. They have figured out win seventy eight to
eighty two games. People will show up, They'll make money,
run a profit, keep it moving, take a break.

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Speaker 10 (54:19):
I'm I'm wonderful.

Speaker 11 (54:23):
I'll tell you what man I talked to Mo.

Speaker 10 (54:25):
I think it was yesterday, and I go back to
there's so many thoughts, but when you know when this
bubbles up and comes.

Speaker 12 (54:37):
To not fruition like we thought.

Speaker 11 (54:41):
You know, we knew when they got that manager.

Speaker 10 (54:44):
Like us people that can see too past the smoking
mirrors are like, all right.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
That's great, he's a good manager.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
But I'm not buying it here.

Speaker 11 (54:54):
And uh, I'm trying to keep this fine here because
I don't want to waste your time.

Speaker 10 (54:59):
But like I told him, Man, I go back to
when everybody was calling for his head, saying sell the team, Bob,
and he responded and said something like who you're gonna
gett Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
That's it.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
That right there, I mean is like a pinnacle statement
to me. And it's like, man, I used to work
at Kemel Country Club back in two thousand and five,
and I, you know, be working the uh greenroom meetings
while all these big wigs these gout. You know, some
of these people are are part of that, you know,

(55:40):
And I hear him talk and I hear.

Speaker 11 (55:41):
The egos fly.

Speaker 10 (55:42):
You know, you can be talented.

Speaker 11 (55:45):
And wealthy and be good at things, but it doesn't mean.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
That you're always right. And if you let your.

Speaker 12 (55:52):
Ego fly like that.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
You get into a situation where your tiers are just
spinning and you're just trying to sustain and you're like
this wealthy person like a poker player that has no backbone.
You just want to stay in the game, but you aren't.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
You aren't doing anything.

Speaker 10 (56:13):
And I have to get off of that because I mean,
we all know this. But how can they put the
energy into like outfielders like they do with the pitching.
I don't understand the separation. Like these guys, they're developing
some amazing pitching.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I mean not always, but but ian they have a
program for the pitching, right like Derek Johnson has set up,
but you know a system that spans from draft and
development to the majors. That That's always been my problem.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
How can you be so clear with one half of
the on field product and then the other half does
not have that same direction? Development like that doesn't feel
like there is a set structure and plan for the
position players to go from point A, two point C

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or D or e right like much let forget.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
A to B.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
You've got to get them to the majors and then
get them into that second, third, fourth year where they're good.
We only have to go back to Jonathan India and
Tyler Stevenson to see a carbon copy of what we're
seeing with these guys.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yes, because those two guys were two of the best
rookies in the National League. India won Rookie of the Year,
Stevenson was right behind him. Year two they fell off.
Year three was a little bit shaky, and and now
India's gone. Stevenson is is not right like they They've
gotten guys to the bigs, but that next step hasn't

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happened for anybody.

Speaker 11 (57:57):
This is where I think I'll get off.

Speaker 10 (57:59):
I just think did maybe the twenty twenty three season
where it gave us all hope could be like a
back ended davior for.

Speaker 11 (58:08):
US fans to expose. There's no more smoking mirrors. They
did the yeah the manager thing.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
The gig's up.

Speaker 11 (58:17):
Now we're all freaking looking at you like.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, but everybody's starting now.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Everybody's turning on Tito and Nick Kral needs to get fired.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
It's not those two guys no way.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
And I'll tell you what, maybe.

Speaker 10 (58:32):
If they're not gonna sell and then they're not gonna
make thing, maybe behind closed doors they should quietly think about,
like some serious change where.

Speaker 11 (58:43):
The deficits are the most, something.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Has to happen. They're happy because it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
They're happy with seventy eight to eighty two wins. Is
the problem in until that changes? But nothing will change.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
Well, you know, maybe if enough people like us calling
in and fans listening stop going.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I guess that's what it takes.

Speaker 11 (59:07):
It's really sad because I'm a Reds fan.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I want people to not enjoy what.

Speaker 11 (59:12):
We're so lucky to have in this small, big city.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
But uh, dude, I mean, come on, dude, I know it's.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Just I agree.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I just look, man, I beat my head against this
wall for twenty years now. I'm I'm I'm at the
end of my rope on it. I got a running
and I appreciate the call. Brother YEP, have a great weekend,
Take a break. Klas Noten from Just Baseball coming up next.
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Since that He's ESPN fifteen thirty, we continue the reds
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rely on them for optimism, for some hope, for some
a light in the darkness. But Klay Snowden just baseball.
I'm starting to think the light at the end of
the tunnel is a train.

Speaker 12 (01:00:50):
Yeah, you know, Chad, I try to be positive and
this year has been a little bit more frustrating than usual.
But you know, CS is back. We have Candle Lay
on the rehab assignment. I mean, I'll try to spin
it the best I can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I here's the thing that I will say, though, Clay,
what was your projected win total for this team?

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
I don't know if I ever really had one out there,
but you know, eighties eighty one something like that, you know,
around five hundred ish, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
But which gets to my point. They built a five
hundred level roster as an organization. They knowingly did that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
And I say that because people like you and me,
Tony Pike, Moeger, Austin Elmore, Jeff Carr, everybody. Well, Jeff
probably said ninety because Jeff is very optimistic. I love
Jeff Carr, very optimistic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
But I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Everybody looked at this and said probably about a five
hundred team, and then everybody's surprised when they're playing like
a five hundred team.

Speaker 12 (01:01:54):
Yeah, I think it has more to do with the
ways that they're losing more than the wins and losses,
because if you were to just you know, if you
came out of hibernation and sow their record, you'd probably think, okay, yeah,
like that's that's probably fine about what you expect. But
there's just so many games where they can't score a run,
or you know, the pitching looks great and the offense

(01:02:16):
doesn't show up as well, and that's just the most
frustrating type of team to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I agree, what twenty one of sixty three games they
have scored two runs or fewer. But we also looked
at this roster and coming into the season and said
they needed to do more on offense, and they didn't.
So how can how can we be surprised that the
offense is inconsistent?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
We knew they needed help. We didn't know it would
get to the point of Connor Joe and Garrett Hampson
playing meaningful, Santiago Espinaal hitting in the two hole for
six weeks or whatever it is. But we knew they
weren't good enough offensively, and they haven't been good enough offensively.
To your point, they have actually probably been even worse

(01:03:02):
than we expected from the not good that we expected.

Speaker 12 (01:03:07):
Yeah, and you know, like it's not a complete wash,
Like I think that some players are actually playing pretty well.
It just gets overshadowed when you look at the final
box score and you see you know, one or two
runs or whatnot. And TJ. Friedel has been awesome this year.
I think Gavin lux has been a solid addition. And

(01:03:27):
you know, we we haven't seen Ellie take that super
superstar performance yet. And I think Spencer Steer being less
than and Matt McClain has just kind of, you know,
taking everyone's helium in the balloon and kind of sucked
it out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
But I still think that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:45):
There's enough players on this team that it's not a
complete oh my gosh, what are we going to do?
But I think the whole darkness part of this is
we know the front office is probably never going to
do enough to fill the holes that they have. Are
they going to sign the free agents that they should?

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Probably not?

Speaker 12 (01:04:06):
They traded for Gavin Lutch. That was a you know,
an aggressive trade Blake. How aggressive do the trades get?
Is that the extent of it? Because if so, there's
going to be some problems.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Look, all I know is this clay. When I suck
the helium out of a balloon and I get to
do that high pitched voice thing, at least for like
thirty seconds. There's some inherent value into sucking helium out
of a balloon.

Speaker 12 (01:04:28):
That is very true. I haven't done that since I
was a kid, but it might be time to try
that out again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I haven't done it a lot, but I will tell you,
every time I see a balloon with helium in it,
my five year old brain says, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
You know you want to go get that balloon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Go get that balloon and make your voice sound funny.
Hunter green Back on the disabled list, the groin caught
quote unquote caught again. Overly concerned that this is now
the second time, and I guess they're saying it a
little bit of his back is hurting him as well.

(01:05:04):
He has been injury prone, and this looks to be,
if not annoying, approaching nagging.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Fair.

Speaker 12 (01:05:13):
Yeah, and I just don't know how to read picture
injuries anymore because everyone focuses on their team. Primarily I
focus on the red so I focus on the rest
of the league too, And this is just what happens.
Like this is normal, like pictures getting injured constantly. Look
at the Dodgers. This is why they stacked eight nine deep.

(01:05:36):
Is because these injuries just keep happening to pictures. And
at least it's not a shoulder and elbow anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:05:46):
It's how serious it is. And that's one thing that
we don't always have a full grasp on. I heard
an interview I think it was the Jim Day podcast
he did with Austin Hayes, and Hayes mentioned like, oh yeah,
like my injury wasn't that serious. It's going to be
the minimum, and you know, it's a long season and
sometimes they say, all right, let's just sit out for
fifteen days or ten days or whatever and come back.

(01:06:08):
But like you said, Green doing him multiple times and
it being maybe more than one issue, it is concerning
because that is your best picture. Him and Andrew Abbott
have been your two best pictures. And the corresponding move
was calling up Wade Miley and I really hope that
we don't have to see too much Wade Miley know
if it's a fantastic career, but you know I knew

(01:06:32):
when to call it quits back in T ball. I
think Wade Miley needs to understand cyber call it quits.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Did you retire from T ball?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
I did?

Speaker 12 (01:06:41):
I did retire. I had a whole ceremony, key Ball
Hall of Fame, whole nine yards, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
With the hat wave that there had to be a
hat wave in there.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:06:51):
I never hit a home run, so one of the
few Hall of Fame T ball players to yet to
leave the yard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I had one more home running you in my career,
clay Man. I mean I hit a couple like you
know little league home runs. Everybody lucks into one and
that's not really a home run I hit. I hit
one out of the park in my.

Speaker 12 (01:07:10):
Whole Basebomo then, I mean he was he put up
a zero.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I got lucky. It was a very windy day. I
hit a pop up in the right field and the
wind when did the rest of the work for me?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I won't take that much credit.

Speaker 12 (01:07:25):
I hope we haven't lost all the listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, Christian and Krnocia and Strand, let's bring him back
in we'll bring him back in he comes off the
disabled list. Of the injured list, mogets mad. When you
say disabled list, it's the injured list now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
He did not have a good start to the season.
He has not lived up to the hype that was
built around him, I think, especially by this franchise putting
a lot of weight on him being one of those
power back corner pieces at first or third, whatever in field, outfield.

(01:08:03):
How important is this upcoming stretch for Christian Karnassi and
Strand to establish himself as one a guy that can
stay healthy and two a guy that can actually be
a factor in the middle of this red order.

Speaker 12 (01:08:22):
I just don't know what to make of him because
twenty twenty three, he had more played appearances in twenty
twenty three than twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five combined.
Back in twenty twenty three, he was great in that
smaller samples to two hunderd and twenty two at backs,
but he's been injured. When he's played, he hasn't looked great.
If you watched him throughout the miners in his career,

(01:08:44):
one thing you knew was he swings at everything in
the minor leagues. That works because he was just talented
enough to hit everything inside the zone. Outside zone doesn't matter.
Majors is much different. If he can learn to lay
off some pitches that are out of the zone, he'll
get more pitches in the zone, which is where.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
He does damage.

Speaker 12 (01:09:05):
So it could be one of those things where you know,
as he matures and as he sees more more break
on these breaking pitches that you see in the Majors,
it's possible that he's able to lay off and inherently
so we'll do more damage on pitches that he does
get in the zone. So it's one of those things
I could click for him and I wouldn't be surprised.

(01:09:25):
But we've also seen players like Hobby Bias who have
never been able to lay off pitches. It's just in
their blood. So I think it comes down to that
how many balls is he swinging at? And if it's
not many, I think he could be a good player.
If it's too many, I think we're looking for another answer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
What do you do with Matt McLean. He's not swinging
himself out of it. He's not you know, he doesn't
look like he's he's producing. Generally, I look at the
type of at that right, like, are you getting up there?
Especially for a guy like him, grind her like, you know,
his swing is very natural and pure, but he'll foul

(01:10:04):
off good pitches and and when he's right or at
least from what we saw two years ago, I'm not
seeing that from him right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I am not seeing a guy that is working through it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
We saw what maybe a week or so where he
was hitting the ball hard, but he wasn't getting results,
and then he regressed back into this guy that just
doesn't feel like he's giving you quality at bats right now.

Speaker 12 (01:10:30):
Yeah, And I wrote in depth about this just baseball
dot Collum. If anyone's really interested in the nitty gritty,
oh they are, but essentially they are. Essentially what's going
on here is he has to be sent down in
my opinion, and it's not oh my gosh, he's a
bus it's you have to send him down because that's
how important he is to this team in the future.

(01:10:51):
You send him down and say, listen, just go reset,
go see the ball, leave the bat and go over
the fence, go see a double. See that for three weeks.
And it may sound counterproductive, but we just saw the
Rangers do this with Jake Berger, a guy who's more
established than Matt McClain. We've seen the A's do this
with JJ Blade like for a player is important to

(01:11:14):
the future as McLain exhaust all options to get him right,
and if that means going to Louisville and kind of
kee and off hopefully for three weeks and coming back
rejuvenated seeing some success, that's great because I don't think
whatever the plane is right now, batting at the bottom
of the lineup and watching him put together that at BT's,

(01:11:36):
I don't think it's helping the mental side of things,
and it's translating into the field as well. I just
think that you've done the hole. Let's see if it's
just a cold stretch long enough, and now you have
to send them mature play.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
In my opinion, how much is part of the problem
that they just don't have anybody?

Speaker 12 (01:11:54):
Well, that's the thing, Chad, He's been so freaking bad
that you could plunge just about anybody in and expect.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Garon Hampson, Hanson, whatever his name is. I'd still take
Matt McClay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I do not.

Speaker 12 (01:12:07):
I am so upset that they got in, but but seriously,
and this is part of my thing too, is you
want to reward these players in Triple A. They're playing well.
So maybe you give someone like Francisco or Bidiez, who's
a twenty seven year old Triple A guy, you give
him three weeks up here and let him collect some paychecks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
He's played well in Louisville.

Speaker 12 (01:12:27):
He'll allow Matt McClain to reset. The bottom line is,
I don't care who it is. You steer the second base,
cees the first if you want to, you know, you
can play around with it. I don't really care who
the replacement is because it's more important than Matt McClain
get at bats that he can be productive in than
whoever his replacement is that's on the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
No Hunter Green, Wade Miley in for at least the
time being. How much does that set back the starting pitching?
Andrew Abbott has been fantast and Nickolodolo has been been good,
Nick Martinez, Brady Singer.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Okay, but but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
What's the What is the value of the loss from
having Hunter Green to now putting Wade Miley in that spot?

Speaker 12 (01:13:15):
I mean it's huge, it's huge because not only do
you lose Hunter Green, who's one of your best pictures,
but you replace him with somebody who probably should be
watching the games instead of playing in them. So when
you look at the difference between the two options, it's massive.
The bigger question is just how long do you have
to get by? Because if it's you know, the minimum
or right about okay, then you can kind of finagle

(01:13:39):
the rotation. You can spot start a guy, you can
do a bullpen game, you know you can get by.
But if it's a longer period of time, then I
really don't want to see Wade mind. I'd rather see
a number of other pictures getting called up from Louisville
or even Double A. I know Chase Burns is a
guy in the top prospect, he's looked dominal. I would

(01:14:02):
love to see him get called up. Probably not going
to happen right now, but I just think that there's
better options that would give you a better chance to
win day in and day out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
The bullpen has had a couple of rough starts, but
are you pretty happy with where the bullpen is at now?
It feels like maybe the the back end with Pegan
is solidifying a little bit. What's your take on where
the bullpen is at currently.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
Yeah, I think it's been fine, and I know e
RA is not the best number to use, especially for
bullpen guys and small samples. Well, the bullpen has one
guy with the era over fo that's it. I mean
everyone's playing pretty well, and yeah there's upgradeable pieces and whatnot,

(01:14:51):
but that they're outperforming my expectations. I would like to
see less Scott Barlow. I would like to see less
Ian Jabo, but overall, like put Gone, I mean, he's
not great, he's fine, And that's kind of what we
as Reds fans have grown custom to. It's, oh, yeah,
this guy's fine, and we get a little over excited

(01:15:12):
about it because we aren't always guaranteed fine as a
Red fan. So yeah, I get those who say, no,
I want the leit closer, I want the lead Bulton arms,
and I think we're somewhere in between.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That all right, fair enough? Where can I find you, Clay.

Speaker 12 (01:15:31):
Just Baseball dot Com or on x at Clay Underscore
snow SnO.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Always appreciate your time, my friend. And I'm not too depressed.
I mean I don't feel great, but I'm not too depressed.
After that conversation. All right, have a great weekend, brother talks.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
Soon you doy, Bud.

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Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
Reds continue their homestand as a kickoff a weekend series
against the Arizona Diamondbacks to Andi before going back on
the road. I never dreamed that at this point of
the season we would be talking about the problems that
this club has had to deal with almost from day
number one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I'm very disappointed. I think you and a lot of
other people are.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
I mean, I go back to remembering when the first
prognostications came out from so called experts about how many
games each team in baseball would win, and I was
stunned with this. One guy said that he picked the
Reds to win something like six seventy three games, and
I said, you got to be kidding, There's no chance

(01:17:24):
of that happening.

Speaker 14 (01:17:24):
Well, here's the problem. You're three games under five hundred.
Have you checked out the schedule the rest of June.
I mean, they've only have one team and I think
it's the last day of June, and it's the Red Sox,
who have a pretty good team. They got a tough
schedule here well, and that the problem is if you
look at it from a scheduling standpoint, which is a
very very good point to make, the easy part of

(01:17:46):
their schedule is behind them, I know, And that's the
scary thing of all. Can I give you a little
credit and you know, I say, you know, you didn't
play the game, but you're very knowledgeable based did play
a little leaue bit. Yeah, and you keep saying. You've
said it to me two or three times. This team
is too young. You know, I don't think they have
enough veterans on this team. I started looking at the

(01:18:07):
teams that I played with, you know, whether it's the
Reds with Conception and Soto and Perez and Rose, or
the Tigers, all those veteran players, they really don't have
the older players do that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:17):
It always reminds me of what Keith Rnander said to
me in nineteen eighty eight when the Reds and the
Giants were going neck and neck. He said, this team
will not win the division. I said why. He said,
because they got too many young players on this club.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Yeah. I never believe that, but I'm starting to see
it now.

Speaker 9 (01:18:33):
The Reds are home against you Diamondbacks. Tracy and I
continue in just a moment looking for it solutions that
I think the youth is obviously apparent, but an incredible
number of injuries, and I really believe this club has
to take a long look at whatever they're doing to
keep their guys healthy and if they attributed it all
to bad luck, I'd have a hard time believe in that.

Speaker 14 (01:18:54):
I'm glad you brought this up because that Hunter Green
groin situation is really really bad. This is the second
time he's reinjured it, right, correct groin in case you people,
you guys probably can't even roll out of bed without
hurting yourself. But a groin is really devastating. I mean,
it really weakens your legs. There's some certain things that

(01:19:14):
you should not do when you have a pul groin.
We won't get into that, Marty, but I'm sure you
could guess along. But with Hunter Green, that's that's that's
a big injury it is, But his is just one
of many. I mean, you got the Austin Hayes. He
can't stay healthy. He's on the disabled list. Fouling the
ball off of his foot and he's on the injured
list for the third time. It just boggles my mind. Yeah,

(01:19:37):
they got to get it together as far as health.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
You ever pull a gron we'll do that some.

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Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
I'm not that much of a prima donna audi I
can I can roll with Mo's intro.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
I was always told coming up in this business that
if someone's filling in on someone else's show, you still
play the same intro, and I that's generally true, except
most fill in hosts don't have their own intro, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
So that started as like like walk up music, right
because I'm I'm on this show a lot as a guest,
so Tarn would play that as my my song when
I would come on as a guest. And then when
I became, you know, Moe's primary, I guess as fair
to call me most primary fill in, we just started
using it. Yeah, So it was never like, you know, hey,

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this is my intro music. It was just kind of
a natural progression. Sure, but yeah, don't don't feel like
you have to. I know, I have no problem with it.
I just I know, and also I know listeners by
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when you're on. It was just me being Darrel Licht
of my dude, it's okay. Really, all it comes down to.

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I do get a kick out of sometimes the the
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Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah, I know, I know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
He would occasionally just play that and then be like,
so you didn't even have to say my name. So
I guess that like I am associated with international Player's
anthem by UGK and and Outcast. It's fine, but I
think it's it's an accomplishment in life that I have

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my own theme song.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Let's get rolling our number three. We are guest free
in our number three, so give us a call. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. We have a lot still to get to. Uh,
do you want to one more time? Austin run through
the Reds lineup for us today. You did such a

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good job with it the first time. I think we
should bring it back at the top of the five
o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I'm happy to do you want, you know, all the
bells and whistles, the organ all that. I think you
shine most when you have the bells and whistles. All right, Well,
the Red Legs back in action tonight in their City
Connect uniforms. Here's how they'll line up. Leading off the
center fielder TJ Friedel batting, second is third baseman, Santiago Espinal.

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The third batter is designated hitter Tyler Stevenson, batting fourth,
left fielder Spent Sir Steer Returning to the lineup, batting
fifth and playing first base is Christian Incarnassion Strand. The
sixth batter is catcher Jose Travino. Connor Joe bats seventh
and plays right field. The shortstop is eighth batter Matt

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McClain and batting ninth and playing second base is Garrett Hampson. This,
of course, with Nick Lodolo, the tall lanky lefty on
the mound once more for Cincinnati, it's Freedo, Espinal, Stevenson, Steer, Strand, Trevino, Joe, McLain,
Hampsen with Lodolo on the mound. That is just a

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brutal lineup. If there's any indicator of the Big one
sixty two, it's that lineup right there. Yeah. And the
fact that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
With Ellie in question, apparently he is not going to
take bereavement leave. He went back to the Dominican if
you hadn't heard, unfortunately his sister passed. He went back
to the Dominican Wednesday after the game against the Brewers.
Is expected back tonight experiencing some travel delays, so he's

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not in the starting lineup, but I wouldn't be surprised
if he showed up to find him in the lineup
at some point in time throughout the night tonight, as
long as they feel like you know, he's in a good,
good space and his head is clear, to get him
in there. But boy, it's that's a rough one. That
is a espinal hitting second steer who has not had

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much success in the clean up hole. Connor Joe batting seventh,
McLain eighth, Hampson ninth. I almost would take batting seventh
in right field, Austin Elmore at shortstop batting eighth, Tony Pike,

(01:27:00):
and at second base batting ninth Moe Egger. I think
you three could have just as much success as those three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Tony. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Tony has long said he could hit major league pitching.
I think he can't. I think we're now at the
point he might be able to hit Wade Miley. That's
where this started, right, I could hit Wade Miley.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Yeah, I did say that this week as well. I
think watching him pitch the other day, I think he
could hit Wade Mine. That was the first time I
allowed myself to believe it was a possibility after watching
Wade pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I don't know that he would get a hit, but
I think he could put a ball in play against
Wade Miley.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Now I'm assuming I haven't looked to see who's pitching
for Arizona, but I'm assuming it's a left.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Hander left the Ed Rodriguez one in three seven five
era a whip of one point seven zero, which is
amazing because he's only walked eighteen batters.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
On the season. Okay, so he gives up hits, all right? Uh? Okay,
so we're fine. Sure, yeah, smoke them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Look if they come out of this one with three hits,
it's trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
It is trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I do love the the banner, the splash ad on
reds dot com. Make your Reds All Stars, Steer McClain,
Dey La Cruz, Espinall Trevino, Friedol Hays, Lux and Stevenson.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Are you someone that votes for the All Stars? Not anymore? Ok?
I used to as a kid. You know, you got
the punch outs and the ushers would walk down the
aisle and you'd try to get the usher to give
you like a stack. Are you too, You're too young
for that part. I remember that, Okay, I do. I
don't remember giving them to the ushers, but I remember

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the ballots being there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Yeah, they would walk down the ushers. That was one
of their their jobs, is they would walk down the
aisle and hand out the all star ballots.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Uh and then uh they would make a lap to
get them. But if you weren't done yet, you would
walk up to the top of the aisle and give
the usher your uh, your ballots. And that immediately as
I was saying that out loud, makes me feel incredibly old.
I mean, I don't I remember those. I mean I've

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been to a couple of different ballparks where there's been those. Okay,
not that long ago, maybe ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
But I mean like it was a thing, like it
was one of the things looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
It doesn't seem to mean as much as he used to.
I still vote, though, I vote on line online and
vote I only do like, only do it once, okay,
but I go and submit a vote. Of those guys,
who in the world would you vote to be? I
only voted for three reds okay, Green, Abbot, and Freedom. Okay,

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those are the only reds I voted. Okay, I mean
because Freedo leads like mostly every center fielder in baseball
and most.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Statistics, He's having an outstanding go of things right now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Tony and I said this week that Nicolodolo is kind
of Tyler Mallley two point zero thoughts. Sh Uh, I
think he's got better stuff. I agree, but I don't
think you're far off. He just kind of labors through outings. Yeah,
he never never feels dominant, right, Like there are times that,

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like when you're watching Hunter Green, he's just dominating, just
dominating people. So, I mean, you don't see that much
from uh, from Nick Lodolo. And then like Andrew Abbott
feels like what we were told about Nick Lodolo, right,

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good stuff like you know, isn't is it gonna blow
you away with like the fastball, but knows how to pitch,
knows how to use his good stuff to get guys out.

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
I think the Lidolo probably was was praised with having
better stuff than Andrew Abbott, but like Lodolo, that was
the thing, right, Like he was just he was gonna
he was gonna beat you with his ability to to
pitch and throw strikes and and get guys out efficiently.
And he has been anything but efficient. Yeah, and knock

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on wood.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Uh, he hasn't been injury prone this year, but injuries
have been a factor in his development.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Did you know that Tyler Malley has the sixth best
e r A in baseball? I did not know that,
but it's not surprising. He has a two point zero
two earned run average in thirteen starts for the Texas Rangers.
That was the annoying part with him, though, right, Like,
that's better than Paul Sken's. Yeah, Trek Scooball, Jacob de Gram,

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Robbie Ray, Logan, Webb, Mackenzie Gore.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I think it's I think it's fair to say you
were frustrated with him because you could see that type
of talent. Yeah, and he just nibbled and was inefficient
and what should have been a seven inning star was
five and a third. Like that was the frustrating part
about Tyler Malley. And then he would have those two
or three starts in a row where he was outstanding

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and you're like, man, we get more of that now.
That trade, Tyler Malley was sent to the Minnesota Twins.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yeah. August SEWOD twenty twenty two. The Reds received in
exchange Spencer Steer, left hander Steve Hajar and infielder Christian
In Karnassi owned Strand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
At the time, sounded like an absolute home run trade
for the Cincinnati Reds, didn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
I believe so? I think it still is. I mean,
obviously he's not with the Twins anymore and he got hurt, yeah,
to have Tommy John surgery. But the Twins finished that
season seventy eight and eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
But is it a Grand Slam for the Reds of
Spencer Steer is underperforming and we don't have a great
feel for what Christian In Karnassian Strand looks like because
he can't stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
I don't know. The twenty twenty three Twins, which Tyler
Mallley had pitched well for, had a eighty seven and
seventy five record and one a wild Card series over
Toronto before losing the Alds to Houston. Wow, So who
wins the trade? I mean, the one the left handed

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isn't even in the organization anymore. I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
I guess it's still incomplete. Well on the Red side,
on the Twin side, I think they probably got what
they want. I think they overpaid for what they got
out of MALLEI. I would imagine they envisioned keeping him
long term. It's been over five hundred every season since. Yeah,
but it hasn't been because of Tyler Malley. No, I

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don't know. I'd probably give it to the Twins, just
because we don't have a clear picture yet of Steer
and Carnassia and Strand.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Until Strand goes deep tonight and then we want a trade,
I mean exactly. That'll be the narrative we'll spend moving forward.
That'll be the one run the redskint. We will get
to this Bengals topic next NBA Finals. Last night of
did you consume the NBA Finals? Yes, I was flipping

(01:35:05):
back and forth between that and the Women's College World Series,
but both games got really good at the same time.
But I flipped over to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Were you upset that they didn't? It's not a massive
production anymore. There's no trophy on the core. It just
looks like everybody said, it looks like a game in January. Yes,
that bothers you. I guess it does to me some

(01:35:34):
because you should. It's your pinnacle. It is your your
biggest event of the year. You should make a bigger
production out of it. I agreed with I think it
was something Most said when he said, look like you
have two teams that not a lot of people know
a ton about. Wouldn't this be the opportunity to showcase

(01:35:59):
a couple of stories about these two teams? And instead, well,
we get Steven A. Smith and Kendrick Perkins yelling at
each other and like it looked like a morning show
on ESPN as opposed to lead up to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
That part annoyed me. The basketball itself. I love these
two teams. M h, I love. I agree these two teams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I don't know that I consider myself a basketball purist,
but I appreciate crisp, entertaining, fun basketball, and both of
these teams play crisp entertaining fun basketball. And I had
that feeling all night when Oklahoma City couldn't put Indiana away.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Yeah, it felt like it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
You know, it was eleven to thirteen of the lead
was Oklahoma City eleven to thirteen points pretty much the
entire night, and then you get into that fourth and
they cut it to six, and then it goes back
up a little bit and you're like, you know what, man,
this Pacers team, the way they play offense, they're gonna
hit a couple shots at some point, and boy, they

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can consume you in a hurry offensively, even a team
as great defensively as the Thunder. I would also say,
got to halftime, Indiana turned it over nineteen times. Oklahoma
City had nineteen more shots than the Pacers, and it
was like an eleven point game. Oklahoma City had a

(01:37:24):
chance to bury him and they didn't. And now it's
one nothing. Indiana takes back home court advantage. I can't
wait to see how this thing plays out. I'm fascinated
by it. Yeah, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I mean, I'm just a huge fan of the way
Oklahoma City plays. I sometimes don't love the way shay
Gilgess Alexander plays, but he's found a niche that he's
so good at, and his balance and shot making and
just ability to score is pretty awesome. And then they
play good defense and the challenges and I think the

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chess between their defense and Rick Carlile, who's one of
the more respected coaches in the NBA and doesn't get
enough credit because, as you mentioned, those shows just scream
at one another instead of talking about basketball. And the
slight adjustments that Rick Carlile made down the stretch to
create some more open shots, to create some lanes, and

(01:38:20):
to get the ball in the hands of his best
player in the biggest moments, not calling timeouts, playing matchups.
It was I thought, a really impressive performance by the coach,
just as much as anybody else. And anytime you're able
to steal one on the road in the finals, got
a chance, especially as heavy underdogs, it's pretty pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
Watch.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
And people forget Carlisle had maybe the most impressive run
to a championship in NBA history.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Go look at who the Mavericks took out to their title.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Yeah, I remember, incredible, incredible, And if he can get
this one to go with that one, I think you're
talking about probably a surefire Hall of Fame come if
he's not already, I think this would would solidify it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Let's take a break.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
We'll get to this Bengals topic that I've been teasing
throughout the show, and I'm fascinated to hear Audie's take
on this. More after this, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Keep it a moving, pretty nice Friday, although it's like
some rain looming for tonight, so we'll see if that
has any impact on the game. I did see on
your desk, Gaudie, the Tyler Stevenson bobblehead. Sometimes those things
are not very realistic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
I wasn't gonna say anything, but yes, I know what
you're talking about. That one looks pretty good. Oh you
don't think so? There is?

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I saw the box. Maybe the real product is different
than what's on the box. No, it's it's the same. Okay,
there is a slight anomaly. Okay, I didn't look at
it that close. I just saw it in passing. I
don't know if you know this or not, but Tyler
Stevenson is a catcher.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yes he is. Well mo Egger would have changed that
many years ago, but yes, by training, he is a catcher.
On the bobblehead or the bobblehead is a depiction of
him and his catcher gear standing there and smiling. It's
a cool I mean, they got like the City Connect
catchers gear. It's really cool. The slight anomaly, I guess

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you could say, is that his catcher's meant features a
hole for his thumb. You know, like the hole for
your index finger. It kind of has a hole for
his finger slash thumb. That's not how catchers met works correct,

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So it's it's a little bit off. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I meant that those are the things that like only
I noticed. Yeah, I'm talking about like I just walked
past your desk. I saw the facial representation that Tyler's
very accurate. It looks very good in comparison to some
of them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
If you want to check it out, you can check
it out on my Twitter at audio more tomorrow night.
Uh and you can see his uh bibblehead night, his
index finger protruding from his catcher's mitt.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
One of the big nights for the Reds every year,
bobblehead night, Audie. Yeah, it would be nice of free
beer tomorrow. One of the big nights was the Reds
playing good baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
And now in their defense, they'd normally play pretty good
on bobbleheading. Okay, so maybe we should do bibbleheads all
week maybe, like all the time the Mariners do that.
You know, the Mariners do bobblehead weekends. Kind of smart
bobblehead weekends. Yeah, huh, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Max Chadwick from Pro Football Focus ranked all thirty two
NFL rosters. He had the Bengals slotted eighteenth the obvious
strength Burrow Chase Higgins. Despite not receiving any help from
the offensive line, he says, the Bengals still fielded one
of the league's best passing games in twenty twenty four

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thanks to Joe Burrow and his top two receivers, Jamar
Chase and t Higgins. Burrough finished the year is the
most valuable player in the league, according to PFF war
while Chase led the league in receptions, receiving yards, and
receiving touchdowns. Higgins is on the short list for the
best number two wide out in the league and ranked
sixth them on wide receivers with an eighty eight PFF
overall grade. The defense clearly where there are questions and concerns.

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Chadwick says, even with a quarterback playing at an MVP
level and two star receivers cinc Night, He's still failed
to make the playoffs due to its defensive struggles. The
Bengals ranked eighteenth in PFF run defense, nineteenth in coverage grade,
and twenty sixth in pass rush grade, even with the
league leader in sacks, Trey Hendrickson, is eighteenth fair, I guess,

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is the question here, And I have a hard time
saying it's unfair. Look, when these things come out, obviously
there's a pretty small margin between the grouping here, and
if you said the Bengals were twelfth, would people feel

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better about it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Prohaps?

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Sure, But there's really not going to be much of
a difference between the twelfth best roster and the eighteenth
best roster. They're in the middle of the pack, and
if the concern from Chadwick is the Bengals have not
drafted and developed in house enough to make that defense
of a higher quality. It's hard to make a statement

(01:44:32):
that he's wrong. It's hard to craft an argument that
his point isn't valid. But I don't think eighteenth is
unreasonable when you're saying this is about the whole roster.
What it is is depressing because they have a top
three quarterback in the NFL. They have a top three
receiver in the NFL. When you have those two things,

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you shouldn't even be close to the eighteenth best. Do
you have a problem with eighteenth Austin, uh No, I
don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
I think when you kind of break it down by
position group, obviously you feel great about quarterback and wide receiver.
I think you feel pretty good about running back. Tight
End is kind of a middle of the road group.
Offensive line largely unproven. But it kind of comes back
to the word we've talked a lot about with the Reds,
which is development. Yeah, right, so, like quickly you feel

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like Amarius BIMs could take the leap, right sure.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
I think that's the most promising draft pick they've had
since ye Jamar Chase t Higgins and Joe Burrow. Dylan
Fairchild is a third round pick and already running with
the first team in OTAs. Now, don't overreact to that,
but if he can be a plug and play guy
that develops quickly, you would feel a lot better about
that position group. But overall, a lot of unproven unknowns

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in the middle part of that offensive line with those
two guard spots. Do the same with the defensive end.
I was just hit real quick on offense. Do you
feel like Mike Giseki is underrated?

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Uh? Like the offense maybe could.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Get a boost because he gives them a viable, especially
third down option at tight end to move the sticks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
I feel like he's correctly rated. He's properly rated, yet underrated.
Properly rating. Mike Gaseki is who he is. We've seen
him around the NFL for a while, and more of
a wide receiver, you know. For the defensive line, it's
again basically the same thing like BJ Hill. You pretty
much know who he is. You don't really know about
the rest of those guys. Is Joseph Osai more who

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he was the last five games or who he was
the first ten or eleven? Is TJ Slayton going to
come in and be a productive nose tackle. What is
the the elite for Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson look like?
Does Trey Hendrickson show up before Week ten? I don't know,
Same with Miles Murphy. So you can also apply that
metric or that logic to basically every linebacker not named

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Logan Wi Yeah, and the entire defensive secondary. So like,
for that reason alone, you know, if we're going base
just off of offense, they're probably top ten, top twelve.
You had the defense into it, you knock them down
six or eight spots. Eighteen sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Eighteen the eighteenth best roster does not sound like eighteen
that's going to be battling and challenging for the top
of the AFC. I think that's the frustrating part. When
you see that, you and you talk it out and
you come to the realization eighteen's probably not even if
it's maybe a touch low, it's probably not that far off.

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Then is Joe Burrow good enough to put them in
that position where they're competing with the Chiefs, the Bills,
the Ravens at the top of the conference.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
That's the questions by too. Yeah, the rest of the
division right right, It's like, how does their roster stack
up to the rest of the division. I feel better
about their roster than I do the Steeler. I see
them pretty similarly to the Cleveland Browns, and I think
Baltimore has the best top to bottom roster in the division.

Speaker 8 (01:48:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
The difference is the great equalizer that is the quarterback.
Because Cleveland and Pittsburgh have serious quarterback questions, nobody takes
them seriously as a contender in the AFC North and
ultimately in the AFC. You think back to Philadelphia last year,
most people said they have the deepest, best roster in
the NFL. Most people also wouldn't put Jalen Hurts in

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their top five to seven quarterbacks in the NFL. Now
they are they are now, But is that a reflection
of who he is as a player or who the
people are around him. They did a great job supplementing
their roster with players that made him better. I think
the Bengals have done solid job of that on offense.
But Philly also hit on seemingly every single draft pick

(01:48:53):
on defense. But I don't think anyone looks at Jalen
Hurtson's like that dude will pick the team up and
carry them through the playoffs. That's why they went out
and got Saquon Barkley. He did that, And so it
ultimately comes down to when push comes to shove, can
Joe Burrow be the guy says climb on my back.

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We'll do this. We've seen him do it before. There's
been questions about Josh Allen being able to do that,
and maybe there still are. And hell, they changed their
entire offensive philosophy to become a run first team in Buffalo,
and running often includes Josh Allen. It just comes down
to the most important position in football. Hell, even Baltimore

(01:49:36):
has said, we need help with Lamar here. Let's go
get Derrick Henry. Let's go go after another wide receiver.
And I think the Bengals have the highest upside, but
it is the biggest risk of any team.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Let's hit a pause on that because I want to
talk Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers when we come back.
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Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Right along as we uh get ready to kind of
round out this Friday head home.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
You have big plans this weekend, Audie. Yes, actually have
a big family reunion.

Speaker 5 (01:50:57):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Yes, big family reunion height with your family. Is this
a good thing or a bad thing. It's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Some people really enjoy family reunions and other people would
rather like peel off a toenail.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Yeah, my uncle Tom would shout out to him. Today's
actually his birthday. Shout out to Uncle Tom. Happy birthday,
Uncle Tom. He has made it his life's mission to
establish a highly sought after, successful, important, fun family reunion
every year. Nice. We play all sorts of games. There's cornhole, tournaments.

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There's live auctions, there's food, there's like a race, there's
a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
You have you seen some of these like like barn
dominiums that are going up on like Airbnb and Verbo
and you can rent them out and they sleep like
twenty or thirty and they have like basketball courts and
pickleball and it looks like fun like that looks like
it could be a fun family family event. I'm sure
it's expensive as I'll get out, but probably you're probably

(01:51:55):
gonna pull something or there's there's gonna be trips to
the hospital at those places.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
What are you doing to stay in shape? Are you
playing like pickleball or anything? No, I'm not no, no anything, No,
not really.

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
See I thought you'd lost weight. I have, but that's
just taking a little better care of myself. It hasn't
been exercise. Really, Where are we going to add any
exercise to the I don't know. Maybe the new girlfriend
is a walker, so that's good for you. Yeah, she hasn't.
She hasn't convinced me to get in on the walking yet.

(01:52:28):
All you really need is.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
To look at Frank the tank and what he's been
able to Yeah, it starts slow. You could be like Frank,
I could.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
I mean, I think I've done pretty good and I
haven't really even tried yet, I explained to the new girlfriend.
Like everybody my family when they saw me on Memorial Day,
They're like, you're losing weight, and I was like I was.
I was really fat a little while ago. You know,
I didn't do a whole lot there for like a year.

(01:52:57):
I was fighting it. I was back. Now I'm coming
out better on the other side. But uh, yeah, I'm
I'm excited. Uh, I'm excited for your your family reunion.
I just saw my uncle Tom two days ago. Everybody
has an uncle Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
He's awesome. I love my uncle.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
He lives in Saint Louis. So when we went to
the Kendrick Lamar and says A concert, we stayed at
his house, hung out with him, and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Uh and my aunt Diane. My uncle lives down in Florida,
and you know one of those older folks you know communities,
you know Florida, they call it Heaven's waiting room. Yeah. Yeah, anyways,
so the status symbol down there in Florida is the
size and shape of your golf cart. Yes, in those.

(01:53:42):
My uncle has a nice golf cart in those communities
and his is like tricked out seats, like eight people
lights all over it. So that's really his His life
down there is just driving around the community with his golf.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
My uncle lives on a golf course, lives on eleventh
t Fairway or eleventh Fairway Drive is his street that
he listens.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
That's my goal in life is to one day on
a house on a golf course.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Yeah, it's like when you pull in, it was like
Arnold Palmer Way and Jack Nicholas Drive, uh, and then
it led all the way to uh to eleventh Fairway Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
I would love to know how and why streets are
named the way they are. Yeah. You know, we have
a neighborhood up in Sydney where I'm from, and they're
all it's all named after like the Apollo missions and
the astronauts. Okay, so there's Armstrong and Collins and Aldrin
and you know, all the the names is all the
different ships and shuttles every streets. Kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
I think that's kind of a newer thing. Like when
they're they're doing subdivisions, they come up with like a
theme for all the roads.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
It's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Yeah, the old ones. I think they just whatever at
City Hall that day was.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
The mouths and broadways streets, Park Place, Broadway, Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
It's a lot of wall streets, a lot of those. Uh,
should we just take a break and then we'll come back.
This is a classic.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
Just yeah, you know what, we're just try I'm a
podcast It's frid Nature and I'm a podcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
It's Friday. Like we've we've delved into a podcast. Here
is it amazing? How this job really doesn't require much? No,
it doesn't yet.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Still at the end of the week on a Friday,
you're just like everybody else. Yeah, I just want to
get to the way to get out of it. I want
to I want to go home. I want to enjoy
a couple sincey lights, I will say Austin, there has
been a sighting of the drink of the summer Eastgate
Jungle Gems. They have individuals sixteen out cant sixteen ounce

(01:55:48):
cans of since he light line. Oh really, yeah, I
do like a line. I have had it. It is outstanding.
I don't know that I'm ever going to drink alcohol again,
though you had one of those nights I had of
those in October. Oh my god, and I still don't.
You have not had a drink since October. No, that's
not true. Okay, every time I have drank since October

(01:56:08):
it has just it's kind of been miserable. Yeah, okay,
I don't enjoy the taste of it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
I still it was one of those nights to change
my life. Yeah, I got to a point. I'm just
getting too old for the next day.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Same here. I just turned thirty. So it's all kind
of downhill for me now. So I guess start taking
better care of myself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
So I think I've done drinking forever. I mean, I'm
I'm down to like two days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
Oh that's good. It used to be seven. I'm down
to two. I'm doing pretty good, I was saying, I mean, Collee,
all right, let's take a break. We'll talk Aaron Rodgers
and maybe I'm not going to guarantee anything. The plan
is to talk Aaron Rodgers and the Central after this
the Bulaggers Show. Since that eas ESPN fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Alrighty closing it out rounding third and heading towards home.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
If you will. Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers, does that
change the dynamic of the the AFC Central all Audie,
because I I don't think it does. I think he's washed.
I think it's over and I can't just say AFC
Central North I met you want to talk about feeling old? Yeah,
that's like lead. That's worse than the paper ballots for

(01:58:13):
the all Start Dame CENTRALFC North. I met my bad
old habits die hard. I one, how in the world
does he fit with that culture that seems like the
biggest like no in the history of sports. I think
the idea that the Steelers have a culture is one
of the most overblown things of all time. Okay, I

(01:58:34):
don't know that they have culture. Okay, if when I
think of the Steelers culture, I don't really think of
Mike Tomlin. I think of Cameron Hayward. Yeah, and I
think that's fair. Does he fit that? Maybe not. I
just think this will be the biggest adjustment for Rogers
in his career because Nathaniel Hackett's not there. He doesn't

(01:58:58):
get to pick all of his waders, and he has
a coach with a backbone, and that don't feel like
an Aaron Rodgers town boy. And you know, the last
time he had a coach for the backbone was Mike
was Matt Lafleur and it didn't go well. So he
ain't getting Mike Tomlin fired, correct. I think Mike Tom's
gonna get himself fired this year. I think he's gonna lead.
I think that this is probably yet. I think this

(01:59:20):
is the end of the road. As boysed h Men
once famously said, just dating myself left, you really are. Yeah,
I'm not too. I don't look at the at that
as like a serious threat. He no quarterback in the
NFL was blitzed more a year ago than Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
no quarterback performed as poor against the Blitz as Aaron

(01:59:43):
Rodgers did. Now, I think he's gonna be slightly more
mobile a year removed from the Achilles. But he is
like seventy three years old, so it's not like he's
the most mobile guy on the planet, certainly not the
way he uses It's like five years younger than me. Yeah, relax,
I'm impressive. I'm probably going about the amount of physical

(02:00:06):
activity this off season and there I started walking. Yeah,
I'm getting back to why I used to, you know,
be an athlete, but then into their body Chad Brindle
or Aaron Rodgers. I think that's a closer race than
you might think. It might be pretty close. I haven't
done it. I haven't done an ayahuasca retreat before. You know,

(02:00:27):
it's only Friday. It's only Friday. By Monday, you never
know where I think a darkness retreat would do you well, probably, yeah, probably.
I think you know. I won't get into it. I
want to incriminate myself on the radio. I think my
daughter's listening. Uh, that's gonna wrap it up. Thanks to
Austin Elmere more excellent job filling in for Tarren Bland today.

(02:00:48):
I appreciate you, good sir, and uh I will see you.
I think I'm next week or the week after, the
week after. I'm in a bunch of times before I
go on vacation. Soo man, thanks to everybody for listening in.
I appreciate you. I will see you soon.

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