The Tony and Mo Football Show LIVE from Bengals Training Camp -- 7/23/25

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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
First of all, let's get this out of the way.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Our apologies to anybody who wants to hear Clinton and
Friends on.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
That show is not being totally completely permanently preempted, but
it is today, it is for the rest of the week,
and it will be periodically throughout Bengals training camp.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm Mullager. Tony Pike is with me. You know.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Tony is one of the hosts of SINCY three sixty
at noon, I have a show from three to six.
But we are so stoked for training camp that we
have begged management and ask for the Bengals cooperation to
let us broadcast in the morning while the Bengals practice.
And so we are here at training camp. We are
just off the main field here and an awesome setup.

(01:15):
Tony Pike Moegger, I've been asked this, Well, if you
guys are on in the morning, what's gonna happen to
the noon to six schedule?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Nothing?

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Tony's gonna be here till three o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Yeah, No's gonna hang with me for a while. Yeah.
There are a lot of perks to this job. This
may be the top.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, this is awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
This is awesome being here and being able to see
the logistics of what's happening. And we talked a lot
about the offseason mo and how maybe the most important
offseason in franchise history. And as this team embarks on
their season starting today, there are Super Bowl aspirations in Cincinnati,
no question. Ninety minutes before these gates open, there are

(01:52):
lines wrapping around the block just for fans to get
in here and watch practice.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I thought they were handing out bibbleheads.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's incredible hype and the optimism and the excitement around
this team. Of course, we were in here early enough
to see that William Wagner was the first Bengal to
take the practice field this year, he should get some
sort of award. William Wagner. If you're wondering backup long snapper,
looking to push cal this year, maybe maybe win a
job we talk about in training camp jobs. But no,

(02:18):
this this, honestly, it doesn't get any better than this.
They moved the practices to ten, so it's not as
hot as those July days you normally think of for
for training camp practice. It's gonna be awesome. There are
there are so many people that obviously help make this
happen for us to be down here, but it's it's
gonna be an exciting run.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, we do want to thank the Bengals for their
hospitality because they have given us a top notch set up,
a prime seat, and I mean we're right in the
line of a lot of fans.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
We got a great view of the field.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
So now this end zone we're sitting in. Yes, I'm
usually down here and we're still gonna do training camp
reports with you this afternoon, I understand, But this is
the end zone where they normally throw some individual.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
One on one round. We could catch one in our rowner.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
We could catch a ball and it begs to catch
a player if we do and I toss it back.
Does does Rinter have something to worry about? Well, let's see,
Well there'd be a battle at number three and four.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Those are my two all time favorite EC quarterbacks and
so we'll see. We are a live from Bengals training Camp.
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Speaker 5 (03:30):
So look, the.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Elephant in the room is obviously Trey Hendrick Chin and
Shamar Stewart. But you know, Zach Taylor, I'm sure is
going to say often over the next couple of days
and weeks, perhaps I want to talk about the players
who are here, and so I think this team deserves that.
I think frankly, there's a lot of Trey and Chamar
fatigue and we are going to discuss their respective absence.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Us sit in the poll question yesterday, What do you
want to start with? People?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Do not?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean it is what it is. Yes, Chamar is
not here, Trey's not here. Uh, neither seem to be
in the City of Cincinnati. Tray and I actually passed
each other driving wave to hills like that looked like
Trey Hendrickson. I'll take that post. I'll take that cash
and then I saw the post. But no, you're You're
right this regardless of anything, Bo, It's a team that

(04:14):
enters today with the tenth best odds to win the
Super Bowl. They have the fourth best odds to win
the AFC, and they have the second best odds to
win the AFC North. They are a favorite from from
a money standpoint to make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, and we talk about who's not here, here's who
is here. And to me, this is the most important thing.
This obviously can change and knock on wood. Hopefully it
does not. And they're incurring some risk by having the
guys who matter the most play in the preseason. But
as training camp starts today, Joe Burrow is not coming
off season ending surgery. He doesn't have a pendicitis. Yeah

(04:50):
right now, he's not dealing with a calf issue. He
didn't have his knee operated on. Like, this is the
cleanest Joe Burrow has ever started training camp.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Again, there's lots of practices. There's three preseason games.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
There's a lot of time between now in September the seventh.
But you know, Austin was talking about this on since
he three to sixty yesterday, and I kind of took
that and ran with it in the three o'clock hour.
For as much as we talk about distractions and no
Trey and no Shamar and all the different questions lingering
as training camp starts, the defense, the offensive line, camp battles,

(05:24):
I'll take my chances when I've got a healthy number
nine and as camp starts. As we sit here today,
number nine is very, very healthy.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
You know who else he has as we're watching here
that they go through some individual drills. Jamar Chase just
caught a pass. He's practicing. Te Higgins just caught a pass.
He's practicing. So not only is Joe healthy, but he's
got his full complement of weapons. Because last year we tried,
we tried to twist it a lot. Well, if Jamar's
not practicing, and you think of all the reps he
gets with Jermaine Burton and andre Yosha last year that

(05:54):
was the twist. Sure, well, those guys don't need it.
He's getting more reps with the younger guys and that's
gonna pay off from the long run. And we saw
Joe have a slow start to the season in that
New England game. Today that's not the case Day one
of Bengals training camp. Jamar Chase is out here. T
Higgins is out here. They have a full complement of
offensive weapons outside of the Zach Moss situation that are

(06:16):
out here. And that's important and that goes a long way.
And to piggyback where you're at. You have Joe Burrow
and as Austin and I were talking about before we
came on air, now you have this next question of Okay,
how does this feel different? Because that's been the emphasis
of the offseason. But it's all been talk training camp
is gonna be different, preseason's gonna be different. Well, we're

(06:38):
lucky enough now that we're gonna get to see as
these days unfold. What is different about this? Is it
more physical? Are they doing more team activities? What does
that look like? It's not gonna happen today the first
day or two of training camp. It's across the NFL.
It's country club feel. You're you're feeling things out, You're
making sure you're lining up in the right way. But
it's a team that doesn't open with a bunch of

(07:00):
oster questions. It's a team that doesn't open with a
bunch of roster battles. You pretty much know who the
core guys are gonna be, and that is something you
can build on, especially when number nine is the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
It's about preparing for the season, not figuring out who's
gonna be on your team. And there are some some
spots up for grabs, which we'll talk about, but walk
me through it from a player perspective. This because for
years the Bengals have practiced in the afternoon. Ever since
you know, the new structure of training camp, which you
know they don't have two days anymore, the main practice
most days has been, you know, from three to five

(07:33):
in the afternoon. Zach has talked about, all right, we're
gonna go in the morning, and this is something the
players have pushed for. Why have the players pushed for
ten to noon instead of late afternoon?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I mean, what's the what's the weather say? It is
right now, high seventies, low eighties.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
It's it's very pleasant.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
That's the biggest thing, right, I mean, from a player standpoint,
if you're out here, and I know, like old school
football folks will say different, Oh, you got to be
out there in the middle of day because you got
to understand how to play and and sweat and and
make sure you hydrated. In today's world, with how much
is monitored, you can make sure these guys are hydrated.
You don't have to practice at three in the afternoon
because you're gonna play games at one and four o'clock.

(08:09):
That's the old school feel. This to me is a player,
it's exciting, it's reinvigorating because you're out here and you
walk out and you're not just beat down with heat.
You're not beat down with I'm sweating so much. I
gotta take so many more water breaks. I gotta do
all this stuff. You're in a position whereas a player,
you want to get out here because it feels good.

(08:30):
You want to get out here and get your work done.
And that's the other part about it. Previous years, you
get in in the morning and you got meetings all day, individual, team, position, group,
and those just dragon. Now you get in, you get
your practice work done, and then you do your meetings
on the back end, and then you get out for
the day. That to me from a player, the weather

(08:51):
and being able to come and practice and not sit
through all those meetings early on are two of the
big selling points. You know.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's interesting they have one preseason game. I didn't give
this a lot of thought, and then I talked to
somebody with the organization last week. They have one preseason
game on a Saturday at one. Now, typically preseason games
are played at night. Saturday one o'clock game in August
is going to be hot. And what I was told
was this was a football operations request. Our first few
games are at one o'clock. We want to go through

(09:19):
a normal game week, you know, because it's all the
whole you know, h to two start slow. So their
first two games against Cleveland and Jacksonville are going to
be at one o'clock Eastern time.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
They want to go through a normal game week. And
so will that ends up paying off? Who knows. But
it's one of those little things they're doing.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
They've talked a lot about and it's obvious they've got
to get off to better starts. So what are things
that we can do in July and August to better
help us better hit the ground running when the games
actually matter. That's one of those things, and so I'm
interested in how that extends to today, how this extends
to you know, as we start to really get rolling
here in training camp. Is the field different? Is there

(09:58):
a little bit more physicality? Is there a little bit
more urgency? Is there are there more one versus ones?
And then, obviously once the preseason games, how much do
we truly see the guys who matter most?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
And is there anything that could happen.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
To deviate from the plan of playing guys like Burrow
and Chase in the preseason.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Outside of anything crazy happening at practice. I don't think,
because I think that's something Joe wants. Joe and Jamar
have been different on that. Jamar's like, I don't need
to play in those games. Joe wants to play in
those games, and rightfully so if yes to get hit,
wants to play, wants to get hit. You you mentioned
a couple of things one ones versus ones. They've done
it in the past, but not as much as maybe

(10:36):
you'd like to see. I want to see Jamar Chas
and Kam Taylor brick as much as possible. I want
to see Josh Newton get more reps. I want to
see what Dax Hill when he's clear, what he's going
to be used as. Because we talk about the questions
and we'll talk about what they are on the defensive
side of the ball. Do you know how you help
those players? Put them up against jamar chas T Higgins
as much as possible, because I'd rather get beat out

(10:58):
here and then go watch the film and learn from it,
then get beat in week one or week two. So
give me as much ones on ones and something that
we started to incorporate all the way back in nine
tempo and urgency years past. And this is part of
going later in the day when that heat wears it all, Well,
let's get a water break in yah, let's move, let's

(11:18):
let's get a break period. I would expect going earlier
in the day that the urgency is picked up by
these guys. How quick are they getting to the line
of scrimmage, How quick are they getting from one drill
to the next, those types of things, because that could
be a weapon as the season just going. You talk
about slow starts. If I come out week one and
I'm running ten or twelve more plays than what every

(11:40):
other team is in the NFL, that's a little bit
harder on a defense. Yeah, what does the operation look like?
How buttoned up are they? How quick can they get
in and out of drills? And then of course you
look for the mental mistakes. You want to clean those up.
Not so much, you know, a coverage breakdown, not so
much a guy getting beat, but pre snap penalties are
you lining up in the right spot? Because that's more

(12:03):
work than you got to put in. You want to
get to actual game stuff that matters, and hopefully with
the focus and the urgency at ten am, they can
do that. Well.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
One of the things I'm interested in is, you know,
the the Bengals have major questions about how good both
offensive and the defensive line are gonna be this year. Right,
So for years you have joined me in the afternoon
from practice, which you're you're still gonna do. Yeah, today,
we're still gonna have you at three forty five, four
forty five.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
They came up today, they're like, so you're staying till three,
And I was.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like, you and that backup long snapper.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, to be out here, Yeah, William, that's right.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
But anyway, so for years you've come down and you've
given me live updates from training camp practice and what
are the common themes has been the defensive line is
killing the offensive line. So I'm interested in how that
unfolds because, and I referenced this yesterday, you would get
pushback from people and you're like, look, offensive line is

(12:55):
having a bad day. And this goes back to like,
all right, when Geno Atkins was still here, Oh, Geno
Akins does that to everybody?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
We've always talked about the defensive player more, all.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Right, but it's always been the offensive line is getting
its tailkicked. What I'm interested in is does that become
a theme. What does that say about what they have
upfront on defense? Or is this the camp where we go,
you know what, this offensive line with competition at both
guard spots. I wonder how much one of those guard
spots is really up for grabs. Do those guys assert

(13:24):
themselves more? And is that something we talk about that
is completely different from recent Bengals training camps.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Well, if we're not talking about that, then we're talking
about the emergence of Joseph Osai and Miles Murphy without
the guys that are here, because you would think, okay,
those guys aren't here. That's more reps that the offense
should win. But to your point, the year two step
for Marius Mims is something we haven't talked about a
ton in the offseason, but that's legit, you know, because

(13:51):
teams are figuring out, okay, where his weaknessess and they're
going to try to attack that the guard position. So
there are you talk about battles at camp. To me,
some of the most intriguing drills are gonna be O
line D line one on one, you know, when when
those guys get to go at it on because that
usually picks up the physicality, it picks up the urgency.
That that's one to look for because it is It's

(14:13):
been one of the constants of every training camp I've
been a part of. Is there's that concern about have
they done enough on the offensive line? And that's certainly
a concern that folks may have. You're gonna be able
to address that as camp on folds.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Absolutely gorgeous morning down here right next to pay Court Stadium.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Or next to the stadium, there's a media cooler right
next to you, and other members of the media have
walked by. It's amazing. I mean, they take it. They
a lot of fresh shaves, new haircuts. These guys are
camp ready. You know, Richard Skinner has a tape recorder
that had to be used to record stuff in like
nineteen seventy eight that he still talks in.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
It will only take one or two days for those
folks to start wearing the traditional look of like Haggard,
worn out sports media. Yeah, by the way, the stands
are full crazy. We both got here. I got here
like at nine oh two and parked across the street.
I couldn't believe the line.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, and you know you said it looks like a
bobblehead giveaway.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
And and you know, look, I mean I think there's
a lot of folks who like last night, all right, red.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
We should have started with that. Can we can we
real quick? Can we thank the Reds?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Last night literally felt like the Cincinnati Reds went okay,
Zach Joe, Yep, here you go.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
And they were nice enough. They were nice enough to
even hold the rope a little bit longer after the
All Star break. Yeah, it was two out of three,
and I tell you, we're gonna put ourselves in position,
and it did. Yesterday felt like that moment, it was like,
you know what we've carried this burden here, it's your
guys now, and we thanked them for their service for that.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Fifty two and fifty they play this afternoon. They're trying
to avoid getting swept for the first time this year.
And look, it's I've said all year long. They're they're
good enough to not totally fade. But like the feel
of the game last night, that felt like September twenty third.
Oh my man, everybody's got one foot in can coon.
It literally felt like, all right, it's the twenty second

(16:11):
you guys start camp tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Cool, here you go, guys, take it, run boys, take
it from here, take it and run.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
We are here at Bengals training camp, a beautiful morning,
great crowd.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
The Bengals are stretching on Yeah we do, should we should?
Bengals are stretching with music playing in the background. Here
Joe Burrow leading the team here in stretches. Des Rider
wearing number four, looks like Des Ridard just beat him
in a sprint.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, so, I guess we could sort of describe some
of what's happening in front of us right now. They're
doing jumping jacks, so they the jumping jacks could use
some work. I'm not gonna lie to you. We'll see
if that can get straightened out. It's day one training
camp unfolds. It's sixteen minutes after ten o'clock. He's Tony
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field right now, Tony.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, we've got some special teams walk through period going
on right now. We've got guys catching punts. Now it's important, mother,
They're catching live punts. These aren't punts that are being
fed through a jugs machine. These are off the actual
foot of a punter. And everyone else is going through
individual driels. Joe Burrow's over here sliding through these bags
that look like offensive linemen that have hands up. The

(18:34):
wide receivers are doing some one on one stuff. This
is kind of like that last bit. Normally, right after
this they get into some team stuff, or they'll start
pushing the ball a little bit down the field, tempo
things like that. So Day one and Day two of
camp are so much about let's make sure we know
where in the world we're lining up. Because after that
it's that old adage of Okay, I'll teach you once,

(18:56):
but don't make me teach you a couple of times.
That's where you start to separate a little. But Day
one and day two are a lot of teaching because
it's a lot of install for these guys. So you
install it probably the night before you're coming, you work
on it in the morning. Whatever. You miss your correct
in film, but you better not miss it again. And
that's what the first two days are, and that's why
they kind of drag it along as well. Without padded practices.

(19:18):
They're not in shoulder pads today, things like that. But
but that is going to be majority of what one
and two are for.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
For these practices, how many jobs, whether they be starting
jobs or just roster spots, are truly up for grabs.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
I think the one that obviously stands out as guard
and is it one guard spot or is it two?
And how is that going to play out?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I feel like Dylan Fairshew would also have almost have
to fall on his face every start.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yes, and he's been doing MMA training, so you think
that he's balanced, will be will be good? I think
you can make an argument for what's going to happen
behind Chase Brown at running back. Wide receiver three is
always going to be that As we're watching a guy
right here in Jermaine Burton, who is a guy that
had a lot of question marks and a lot of
knocks last year but has been praised a ton this offseason.

(20:08):
I think I think the role he's in right now,
what can he be from a special team standpoint? And
does he slide in it all to that wide receiver
number three? Is this the year andre Yoshi vash takes
another step forward? Or is it more Mike Kisiki and
tight end role that that's used as wide receiver three offensively?
I think that's it. You know the quarterback, you know

(20:28):
they're starting running back, you know who the top two
wide receivers are going to be, and you know who
the tight ends are going to be. I think defense
is a little interesting one. They don't have the full
complement of players. Obviously, Jermaine Pratt and the Keem Davis
Gaither are gone. And think and say what you want
about Jermaine Pratty. He was a captain, people viewed him
as a leader on this defense, you still have Logan Wilson,

(20:50):
what is the depth at linebacker and how do they
build that? And then in the secondary, I think probably
outside of me for guard that has the most questions. Yes,
how how is Al Golden, you know, one of the
new names, the new defensive coordinator. How is his system
gonna give guys a fresh start? I've talked about this before.
You know, you can be bet I was buried on

(21:12):
a depth chart in my career, but you can be
buried on a depth chart and a new coach comes
in and all of a sudden, you feel like you
have a new lease on life because now this coach
doesn't view you as all this this He just hasn't
figured it out. Now you've got an option to figure
it out. Now you've got an option to build on something.
And for a lot of guys on defense, that's a
fresh start and you're invigorated to come out here and

(21:34):
build something around that. And I think that's more. What
about from those secondary battles as well.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Let's talk about players, and some of them are going
to be in the secondary. There might not be a
ton of like open roster spots, but there are a
lot of players who have something to prove, and you
referenced it last segment, like, all right, no Chamar, no Trey.
Regardless of what happens with those guys, this is a
make or break here for Miles Murphy. Yeah, let's be honest.

(22:02):
You could apply the word bust certainly to a season
last year. We haven't seen the production, we haven't seen
the impact. The spotlight maybe shines on him a little
bit more without Schamar and without Trey Hendrickson. But we
talk about how the pass rush has to improve. Okay, well,
are you pinning a lot of that on a rookie
and Shamar Stewart or the guy they drafted in the

(22:23):
first round two years ago?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I pinted on Miles Murphy.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I want to see some things in camp that suggest
that Miles Murphy is ready to contribute.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
When Shamar Stewart got drafted, I never thought, oh, that's
going to be their number three. Thought he was going
to be an impactful player in limited roles. If this
team is going to continue to build and go on
the trajectory of Super Bowl contender, we've talked about this,
you have to hit on your draft picks, especially when
you use high draft picks. On players because you get

(22:52):
the rookie deal and you get to alleviate that money
elsewhere and build the roster that way. If Miles Murphy
doesn't become an impactful player, you not only lose out
on the defensive line, you know where else. That hurts
the secondary because if you can't get after the passer
with a rush, you're asking guys that may be unproven
on the back end to cover longer. So those positions

(23:12):
are hand in hand. Right. You could have Darrell Reevas
and any other Sauce Gardner and Darrel Revis could be
out here. If they've got to cover for four or
five seconds, that's hard to do. So it has to
match with the pass rush at some point. And Miles
Murphy because of the Trey Hendrickson talk and Shamar Stewart,
has kind of flown under the radar a little bit

(23:32):
of the offseason. But now that we're here and we're
on the practice field and you're seeing the guys that
are here and not here, well, if he's here, it's.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Time to show that you can do something for this team.
And then you talk about the secondary. So many players
I feel like with that group as a whole, and
so many of the individual guys. The possibilities are pretty widespread.
Like you could tell me that Cam Taylor Britt by
the middle of the season is like a true number
one corner. You can also tell me he gets benched again.

(24:00):
You could tell me that Geno Stone figures it out
and you know what, a guy who was ascending coming
into last year. Last season was just bad set of circumstances,
bad fit with the defensive coordinators. Or now Geno Stone
is a playmaker. You could tell me the Dax Hill
stays healthy and finds the perfect role.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
You could tell me that Jordan Battle.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Establishes himself as a player that we have seen flashes
of but not enough consistency. Like, I think that group
is interesting. Number One, they let it go totally untouched.
Like at safety, what's plan B. Right, it's Dejon Anthony?
We put him back there again? Are they really gonna
throw Tyson Anderson too?

Speaker 5 (24:37):
The wolf? So what's the confidence in a guy that
you asked to take a pay cut?

Speaker 7 (24:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Like so you know we talked about this, but if
Geno Stone would have said no to the pay cut,
well then what like who do they sign? And if
they had somebody in mind, why did they still sign him?
But what happens in the secondary? You're right. I mean,
for as much as we talk about Trey and Schamar,
when Trey Hendrickson shows up, and I still think he will,
I know what he can do that secondary. You could
tell me that unit has a chance to be pretty good,

(25:03):
and I believe you. But you could also tell me, MO,
be cautious because that unit last year wasn't very good
and they haven't added anybody, and so it might not
be very good this year.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
And I'll still believe.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Charlie Goldzman talked about in the off season. At one
point in the off season, because of so many questions
on the defense, you could have said, well, corner needs
to be a strength. And you could argue that every
corner last year that played at some point or other
in the season got benched. Right, So is that what
you're riding with? Is that what you're going to go
to battle with each and every day to say, yep,

(25:34):
this is gonna be who we are, This is gonna
be who we can run out there, and I don't
know if they can or can't. That's what camp is for, right,
Like you talk about true camp battles to me, guard
and secondary. I think they have the pieces at linebacker,
how they deploy those, I think it's going to be
interesting to watch. But as who you can rely on
in the secondary and who you can't, I think that

(25:57):
is a tall ask and I think it's one of
those things with Al Golden and the defense, what more
could you ask for than to go Ones verse Ones.
Des Richard just ran a quarterback keeper look good doing.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
It, which is something that maybe could have been used
in the Cotton Bowl.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
You know, it looked good doing it. But that's why
we go back Ones verse Ones. Yeah, I want this
offense to go against the top defense. So if I'm
out Golden, I know who I have out there that
I can rely on.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Can I ask you a question?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
And I do want to talk about DES's place on
the team and the opportunity the Bengals are given him.
He's he just took a snap. How much of the
offense can he actually know?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
He got here two days ago?

Speaker 5 (26:37):
It's hard.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Look, if you're a quarterback and you show up on
Monday and you practice on Wednesday, what can you conceivably know?

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Well, you've you've seen in other aspects of injuries that
have happened where guys have come in, but you shrink
the playbook completely and just find a way to make
it work.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
They just shrunk a quarterback here.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, you're you're not shrinking much camp.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Page they took out against Alabama.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Because at camp you've got to build everything. You're throwing
everything in and then you're downsizing week to week. Right,
You've got to get all the playbook in and then
specialize week to week based on the opponent. So it
is it's gonna be complete catch up for days. You're
gonna try to keep it as basic as possible with him.
But unfortunate at this level, they don't hold your hand.

(27:17):
They don't think, okay, well let's let's walk him along
while everyone else runs. You're gonna be asked to pick
this up. And he does have the understanding that he
started some games in the NFL and understands how that works.
It's just the terminology and everything else that goes along
with that, and it's what sessions like this this, I mean,
right now, it doesn't look like much. It's eleven offensive
players versus no defense, But this is about get in

(27:39):
the huddle, get the call out, correctly. Make sure we're
lining up, and then you never want to you never
want to throw it in completion on routes first air,
make sure you're completing this pass and then go from there.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
All right, it's twenty eight minutes away from eleven o'clock.
We are broadcasting this morning from Bengals training camp. Don't
forget two weeks from tomorrow night. Bengals and the Eagles
already preseason opener fifteen days away. You'll hear that live
on ESPN fifteen thirty, along with every Bengals game this
upcoming season. We are here Tony and I till noon,

(28:11):
and then Tony's gonna, you know, do Sincy three to
sixty here at twelve.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I may stick around for you a little bit.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, Austin will join us at noon, and I got
my show from three.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
We have we have some Zach Taylor. We'll get to Yeah,
Zach tayl number two. I'm gonna have some Joe Burrow
and sincey three sixty as well.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Zach Taylor talked extensively today and you'll hear that coming
up at eleven thirty. Let's talk about a numbers game
at a certain position. When we come back.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
It's the A. E.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Dorn Window, Tony and Mo Football Show Live from Bengals
Training Camp on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
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Speaker 5 (28:51):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
This is Dan Horror joined Dave Lapham and me for
every play of every game on the official home of
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Speaker 4 (29:01):
From eleven o'clock, It's the AE Tord Window, Tony and
Love Football Show Live from Bengals training camp. The team
going through workouts right now. Dez Ritter has looked very odd.
I gotta tell you. I tell you thread in that
needle play action hasn't thrown it incompletion yet.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Do you think Joe feels pressure?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think he has to.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Here's a guy that's coming in that's a fan favorite
in Cincinnati. Yeah, won a lot of games in Cincinnati,
has started games in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
And you could read Joe's body language like he just
walked away from Dez.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, guy's coming after me.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
I think he's pushing him a little more. I've seen
a little more zip than normal on day one from
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Here I bet you Dez is on quarterback next year
on Netflix.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
By the way, Yeah, from from being down here in
previous years, it is as you hit off the top.
It's so refreshing to see a healthy Joe Burrow yes
out here on day one, huh ripping the ball like
last year. Even even though was the question like, oh
is there zip? Is there enough zip on it? The
spirals a little flutter because the wrist, you know, he
he looked the part. He looks bigger, faster, stronger. Everything

(30:04):
that you want in a quarterback will probably get a
treat here mo as they might throw some routes to
the receivers right in front of us. Wow, I mean,
what else could we ask for on day one of
training camp? This is perfect, But you.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Know, like it gets back to what we talked about
at the top. I wish Trey Hendrickson were here. I'm
sure Zach Taylor does as well. Sure Al Golden does.
We wish Shamar Stewart was here. I'm sure Zach Taylor does.
I'm sure Al Golden does as well. But relative like
we do every year, like okay, there's some sort of
contract issue, but typically there's a contract issue and at

(30:38):
least a slight question about Joe Burrow and again like, yeah,
he's got a full training camp in preseason to get through.
I'll gladly, I'll gladly do Trey Hendrickson not here. If
I could have a healthy Joe Burrow day one of camp,
I'll gladly do a holdout or a hold in every
year if it means training camp can start without Joe

(30:59):
Burr coming off of surgery, without him dealing with some
sort of you know, physical ailment.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
And that's where we are right now.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
And that's why I like we talk about they've got
to avoid distractions, they've got to get off to a
better start than zero to two.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yes, all those things are true. If if this Joe
Burrow today.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Is the guy who shows up on September seventh in
the game they're supposed to win against the Browns, I'll
take the chances.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Like we just saw something right here that we didn't
see one time in training camp last year, and on
back to back throws, Joe Burrow completed a pass to
Jamar Chason t Higgins right, think about that? Yeah last year, Yeah,
we couldn't say that one time in training camp. And
today in the first or second period of practice on
the first day, you're completing those passes right like that.

(31:44):
That to me from an offensive standpoint, I don't know
what the ceiling is for the offense. I know that
some of that will rely on what happens at guard
over the next couple of weeks. But just the sheer
thought for NFL defenses to try to have to figure
out those three is a tall task. And then des
Richard just completed a pass to Cole Taylor. Huh, Well,

(32:06):
Des Ridard completed a dime to Jermaine Burton before that.
That to me, like physically being here, you get to
see these guys up close. Jermaine Burton physically checks the box,
no doubt. Like when you see him, you're like, man,
that's an NFL wide receiver, no doubt. We talked as
they were warming up before we went on air. Ogar
Yoshi Vash looks like that. I mean, he physically looks

(32:27):
like he is where he needs to be from a
wide receiver standpoint, like those guys you think have taken
a step forward here.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Well, the Burton thing, I mean, let's talk about this
for a second. Because Mike ISASICKI is the third wide receiver.
He's a tight end, but he's really the third wide receiver.
Andre Yoshamas is a nice player. You can do better
than him physically, Jermaine Burton is supposed.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
To be able to do better than him.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, that was I mean, look when when they when
they drafted him, when they did and on three, I
don't think the idea was for Jermaine Burton to be
battling for the last spot on the dead chart at
wide receiver. I don't think it was for him to
only contribute on special teams. I think there was a
vision that Okay, by his second season, you know, maybe that's.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Our third best or our number three wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
And so what think way they drafted him? Now, what
was the conversation because the drafted M. T. Higgins wasn't
gonna be here, right that was gonna be number two
right now, you're asking him to be number three.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yes, So I guess I have a few thoughts on
Jermaine as training camp on folds. Number one is even
before the season started, Jermaine Burton had a rep because
he plays in the preseason. He plays in the fourth quarter,
which is telling for a guy drafted in the third round.
And then you know that on that Thursday night game
on I think it was it was Amazon, they play

(33:50):
the Colts and Al Michael's and Kirk Kurvestreet are like
telling you, like, yeah, guys having a hard time staying
awake in meetings. Like Kirk Kurvestreet didn't just make that up.
That came from inside that wide receiver room. That came
from the coach. So was that the casino? There's anything
wrong with the casino. But like so far, everybody is
saying Jermaine is doing the right things. Now you might

(34:10):
be skeptical, and that's fair, but it's got to start somewhere.
So here's what I'm interested in. Jermaine Burton will be
on the field against the Philadelphia Eagles on August seventh,
and maybe he's on the field in the second quarter.
Maybe he's on the field in the fourth quarter against
guys who aren't gonna be in the league.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Does he make a play right?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Does he make a play that we see that starts
to shift the conversation a little bit and starts to
help him earn Joe Burrows trust a little bit more
like I love stories to me, there will be no
cooler story than Jermaine Burton figures it out, establishes himself
as a reliable NFL player, and in this offense, which

(34:48):
is already loaded, he gives them yet another weapon. And
when they drafted him that they thought was gonna happen.
I'm hopeful, but he's gonna get chances in the preseason.
Does he take advantage? If the answer is no, Okay,
we're all gonna be ready to move on from Jermaine Burton.
If the answer is yes, imagine a player of his
physical capabilities being added to an already potentially insane offense.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Yeah, it's why they drafted him. And even though there
were struggles last year, what did he do when he
was given opportunities? He made some good plays on the
ball down the field. He caught the go balls, which
unfortunately felt like the only route he knew how to
run last year, so they just threw it up to
him and he went made a play. He flashed at
times in a special teams role. But I always look

(35:34):
at this about how you are trying to defend someone.
If I'm trying to defend the Bengals, who gets the
attention Jamar Chase and t Higgins, which makes Mikeasicki next
in line, which makes Chase Brown dangerous. By the time
you go through those, if you're a defensive coordinator, you're
kind of just throwing Jermaine Burton in at the end.
So if you're Jermaine Burton, what do you gotta do?

(35:55):
You probably got to beat the third or fourth best
cover guy on another team and you're not gonna get
double teams. What else can you ask for? As a
wide receiver? Win one on one battles against another team's
third or fourth best guy right consistently?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I mean, look, they put him in the Chiefs game
last year. Remember he just runs a streak? Yeah, forty
one yard.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Like, can can I get fifteen of those?

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
During the season.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
They're not all going to be forty yard gainers, But
can I get twelve to fifteen of those?

Speaker 3 (36:22):
On top of anything else?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
He could add, I'm hopeful the answer is yes, but
I need to see it, and I need to see
it in game action. He is going to get opportunities
starting two weeks from tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
It it should be fantastic. Like I he's one of
the players I circled that. Okay, if you're looking at
year two leap, Yeah, it's got to be him, right, Like,
there are others on this roster that you can point to.
But if if the goal and it is to win
a super Bowl, this team's more inclined to do so
if Jermaine Burton takes the next step forward, because it

(36:57):
becomes almost an unguardable offense.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
I mean, like Andre Yoshabas is a nice player and
a cool story and great in the red zone. Yeah,
sixth round pick from Princeton. Jermaine Burton is a third
round pick from two SEC schools.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah, so like the.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Nothing against Andre, But what I would love is if
almost Andre's role remains slightly unchanged, if not a little
bit diminished.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
We've seen more what his role is. He's good in
the red zone.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, and and Jermaine Burton kind of becomes one of
those guys let's talk about running back. So we love
the room, right Chase Brown, You know, you talk about
dudes who, by the end of the season we can
be talking about as like bona fide stars in this
league within the context of an offense that wants to
be passed first. I think Chase has that potential. I

(37:43):
think We're all high on Tadje Brooks, the kid from
Texas Brooks Ryan is back. We know what he can do.
Zach Moss was cleared, so they brought him back. He's
now been put on the non football injury list. If
if that situation gets rectified and he ends up being
able to practice, and I do not know what the
situation with him is.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Do they really carry four running backs?

Speaker 5 (38:06):
I don't think so. You had to like enough of
samajp Ryan to bring him back, right, And you and
I first hand got to see Todz Brooks and he
not only did it against the Bearcats, he did it
against every team he's played against the last two years. Yep.
And what you hear about Todz Brooks from folks around
is that he was the best pass protecting back in
the league. They're coming out of the draft, Okay, Yeah,

(38:29):
is that something Joe Burrow is gonna like? Yes? Can
he get the ball and make people miss? Yes? Is
he going to break free at the twenty and go
eighty yards? Maybe not?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
But what were they so bad at last year? A
lot of things, But what were they really bad at
on offense last year?

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Short yard ish? Yeah, he's a bowling.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Ball, you know, like, well, they never try to sneak
with Joe Burrow, does he want to not sneak?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Like, all right, give it the ball to tozz Brooks.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
Right. Saw that work?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yes a lot, yes.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
A lot?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
But no.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
But I think what's different this year? Remember last year
we talked about the fifty to fifty split. I mean,
that's how crazy it was. Last year we had games
early in the season where Chase Brown wasn't even getting
over five touches. And then flash forward to what you
just mentioned with But I think so too, like how
many people are going to be getting to their fantasy
drafts this year and taking Chase Brown early? Yep? Like

(39:20):
he has a bona fide star capability and he's gonna
have the chance to get the Lions show that we're
not talking anymore about are you gonna split time? Is
he a three down back? He's the lead back. Everyone
else is playing for reps. Which is why I don't
think you can carry four because you're not one and
two aren't a split. You have a Bell Cow at

(39:42):
number one. Can you really use three roster spots on
the rest?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I don't think you can.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Now I've seen roster projections. And again this is before
Zach Moss went on the non football injury list, but
I have seen roster projections that have them carrying four. Mathematically,
that just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make
sense me and the odd man out should be Zach Moss.
And I get it, like, you have more than three
backs going in the camp, you give to do the chance,

(40:08):
you know, if something happens with one of the other guys,
you know, use Zach Moss, But carrying four that feels
like that feels like a luxury they can't afford to.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
When you have death at other positions that you need. Yeah, right,
how many linebackers are going to carry? How many you
carrying in the secondary? Because of everything we mentioned earlier,
the numbers just like that's a three man group.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
One of the other things that has to happen.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
And I don't know that we're going to get an
answer to this during training camp, but it's it's one
of the storylines when we get to the start of
the season. The Bengals for twenty twenty one, in twenty
twenty two and much of twenty twenty three had a
genuine weapon on their team in Evan McPherson. Yeah, last
year he was not a weapon. He missed six of

(40:58):
his twelve kicks from forty yards and beyond. We have
talked about Evan in glowing terms for years because of
his ability to make clutch kicks. But to me, more
than anything, he's a weapon informs how you call plays right.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Changes once you get you feel like if you get
to the thirty five, you're walking away with points.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
The immediate comparisons when they drafted him were Justin Tucker.
Because we've seen Justin Tucker win games for the Baltimore Ravens.
We're not going to see that anymore obviously, So in
the absence of being able to consistently make kicks from
deep distance, Evan McPherson is just another kicker, right. He
wasn't drafted and he wasn't invested in with the second

(41:37):
contract because he's just another kicker. They brought in no
competition for him. What I can't wait to see is
week one, Week two. Yeah, when he's brought on the
field to nail a fifty two yarder? Does he nail it?
And do we instantly stop talking about Moneymack?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Well, you think of last year and the missed opportunities
and the close losses, one or two more kicks go
his way. Yeah, they don't make the pass interference. In
Kansas City, it's a different feel of a season. So yes,
we can harp on the defense, we can harp on
the o line. There were games that were lost because
of miskicks, and for him, I remember the same thing
because I thought, from a quarterback standpoint, what a luxury

(42:14):
it is. You shrink the field, right, you feel as
a quarterback, Okay, if I can get to the thirty eight,
I don't have to try to make a.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Play, and you don't have to do desperate stuff. Right,
it's fourth and seven, we're gonna go for it.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Like let's say you're on the thirty six and it's
third and seven. If you don't trust your kicker, you
might be more prone to try to fit a ball
into a window and something bad happens, whereas if not,
if nothing's there, you burn it and you say, hey,
let's take three automatic points. That's what it felt like
for much of his early career. When he trotted on
the field, I knew it was three. Last year, I

(42:48):
was like, oh boy, trott him out there again. It
was trotting him out there again, and then you what
do you question, Well, why'd they do that? Play on
third and three? You know you're struggling in that sense.
It is Ah, it's me. No. I thought they just
asked me to get on the golf car. I thought
Mike wanted.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Mike Brown just rode past us. I thought he.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Pointed to me to come right on the golf cart. H.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I don't know what he was doing there, Mike, Mike Brown,
who earlier this week informed us that he's not worth
four billion dollars. Yeah, so we have that in common.
I'd like to get on the golf cart and just
go back to nine, Like, Mike, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Third? Fourth round? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
What I don't understand is if you're in the interview
setting and Mike Brown says I'm not worth four billion dollars,
how do you not then follow up with two?

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Is it? Five?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Three?

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah? One and a half?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Mike Party, give me as there be how many? How
many commas?

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Right?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
If someone says that I'm not worth four billion dollars?
I go, I can't help but wonder, like.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Well, what's the number? What are we at here? Rough?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
You know?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I get everyone's four oh one cave and in volatilities.
You're like Bullpark, where are you at?

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I also don't let's not alarm people and let's not
send folks panicking. Okay, we're fifty one minutes into this practice,
des Ridders, you have to throw an incompletion.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Okay, So can we can we seriously talk about him
when we come back, please. We're there's some tongue in
cheakness to what we're doing with Dez, which I'm sure
most people understand.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
I'm sure some do that someone's out there is like,
oh no, there's a camp battle.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Some aggregators like tweeting Mike Florio right now.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yep, watch out.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Ike, says Ridder. Ridder of Good Challenge.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Burrow, Tony and Mo's first and last Training Camp Show.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
It is eight minutes away from me eleven o'clock. It's
the Ae Dorn Window, Tony and Mo Football Show from
Bengals Training Camp on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
We are This is Dave Blacklock, and you're listening to
the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Eighty Doran Window, Tony and Moe Training Camp Show. We're
broadcasting from Bengals training camp practices unfolding right now in
front of us. All right, let's let's spend the two
minutes on what the Bengals did this week acquiring Desmond Ridder,
if he ends up being the third option, the absolute
break the glass emergency option if something were to happen

(45:06):
during the course of the week, to Jake Browning in practice,
Jake is the number two.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
It deserves to be.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
I think he's a better backup option than des Ridder,
especially because he's been with the team for a while now.
But if des Ridder is your three, that's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Yeah. I mean, if you can get a three that
has started meaningful games in the NFL, that's a good move.
And you know, Dez's issue in the NFL has been
the turnovers. If you clean up the turnovers, he's not
It's not like he's struggled to move the ball. He's
a weapon with his legs, which is hard to prepare for.
Especially like, think about if you're a game you're game

(45:42):
playing against the Bengals, and let's say for whatever reason,
Dez would have to come in and play a series.
You've not game planing it all that week for quarterback run.
That's a big difference that you've got to now incorporate,
which does what during the week, takes a couple reps
away from other things that you're needing to do just
in case, just in case, there's a package that So yes,
it's a great option. We saw what happened in Tennessee

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earlier this this week. Is there any scenario if you're
the Bengals, if Brian Callahan calls and once Jake Browning
that you would listen Now that you do have desk.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And obviously listen, but I value that insurance.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Pobb absolutely, so you're absolutely you're gonna have to make
it worth my well, be very clear at any level,
if Joe Burrow were to have to miss multiple games,
sure that's for any team.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
But to me, the backup quarterback is not he plays
eight games. It's right, Joe goes into concussion protocol, get
a series or two four minutes to go in the
second quarter and you can't play the rest of the game.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Can the offense still function?

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Right? I am?

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I value Jake Browning and like you feel for him
because he's stuck, right.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Like it's not a bad gig.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
No, it's not a bad you are stuck behind arguably
the best quarterback in the league. But like we had
this conversation at the end of the twenty twenty three
season when Jake stepped in and played well, and it's like, well,
do you capitalize on this and trade him?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
And it's like no.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
So if if a team, whether it's Brian Callahan or whoever,
called and said I want your backup quarterback, what I listen,
of course, but you're gonna have to really make it
worth my while. That said, I might be a little
bit more willing to listen if Jess Ridder, If Des
Ridder is the guy behind Jake Bray.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Yeah, that's a good way to be. We are, Uh
we gotta go to break, yes, but we're getting our
first team period here can we?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
When do we get our first fight?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Well you get a lot of Yeah. Week two, everybody's
tired of each other.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Yeah, you're in a good spot.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Right, all right, I am. I'm looking forward.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
To the demetrious night. By the way, is with for
whatever works on day one is with the starters right now.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
On defense, as as was kind of talked about all
throughout the course of Minnie camp, and ot Alright, we
haven't talked about Trey and Shamar.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
We are going to.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
But I want to ask the question about Shamar Stewart
that I haven't heard anybody ask.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Well, i'd probably have.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
I just ignored it.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
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Speaker 4 (48:44):
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is awesome to be here. It's been a fun morning
so far. And we just watched Charlie Jones make a.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Play about that a touchdown from Jake Browning. Now that's
that's the hard part about these days is they called
it a touchdown, but there's no tackling happen. Yes, but
nonetheless Joe Burrow just dropped back. Ohit in completion, incompletion?
Good dozen there, all right, this is no this is

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We've done now ten years of the Tony and Moe
Football Show, and that is a obviously a reactionary show
to what's happening the game before. To have the access
to be able to be down here. We wrote to
do it, I think once last year, but to be
able to be down here for forcast we did one
year one down here, yes, last year, but to have

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multiple dates this year where we're going to be down
here doing this and UH and being able to cover
camp in this way. And it's not like it's a
team as we've talked about that's opening the season. You know,
can can they be a five hundred team? Can they
be a team that sneaks into the playoff. This is
a team that is built, at least many people's view,

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that can win a Super Bowl. And the teams ahead
of them. Baltimore right now in the AFC is the
odds on favorite, no question. The offense has had no
problem against Baltimore. Against Kansas City, we've kind of seen
the thorn in the side the Bengals have been. Joe
Burrow has been kind of the only guy that can
top Patrick Mahomes in the AFC, and they've had success
against Buffalo. Those are the three teams that people viewing

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the AFC ahead of the Bengals. You gotta feel pretty
good about your opportunity to go heads up now. I
think the Baltimore Ravens had an awesome offseason. I think
they addressed a lot on that defensive side of the ball.
But what does Kansas City look like another year? You
know what frustrates me with Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You're already reading like Malachi Starks.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Mike Green, Mike Green's gonna have eighteen sacks this year.
They signed JayR Alexander, Like, they've made some really good moves,
But why did they make the moves? Because they know
the other team that they're gonna have to be going
against in what the Bengals did last year. I mean
the Bengals offensively embarrassed Baltimore last year in two games.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, I mean, the thing is like, it feels like
if you look at the teams and you look at
just the way the season's unfolded, that there's a gap
between the Bengals and Ravens. But if you watch them
play correct, it's it's razor thin. Correct Now, you know,
Cincinnati's defense is going to have to figure out ways
to get off the field in the fourth quarter against
Lamar Jackson. But in those games, the margin was razor thin.

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Shamar Stewart's obviously not here, Trey Hendrickson's not here. I
think anybody listening to us probably didn't need that update.
Here's what I want to know, Okay, Shamar Stewart was
around for OTAs once he got drafted, but he wasn't
a real active participant. He was here for the first
two days of mining camp. He was around, but he

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wasn't really an active participant. Then he bolted. He's not here.
It feels like no resolution is in the offing. How
much time, realistically could he miss and still contribute early
in the season, if not throughout the entire season.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
I think I think the time has passed. I think
even if he were signed at this point, he is
a specialty guy.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
So if he shows up tomorrow, yeah, missus one day
at camp, you feel like he's that far behind the
eight ball. He couldn't count on him the way you
were counting.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Unless he gets out here and he's just so much
better than the others. Like, if he were to show
up tomorrow, how would how would he then go about
jumping Osaigh Murphy and others for reps Because those guys
have been here, those guys have put in the time.
We just talked about the importance of Murphy and Osai
it's it's it's one of the weirdest situations because when

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he was drafted there were questions, Yeah, four and a
half sacks, not a lot of production. You know, what
did the Bengals see in him? I it's hard to
comment on the situation as a whole because we don't
know exactly the wording that is the hold up. We
can speculate, we can speculate, but at some point.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I mean Mike Brown went out of his way to
kind of outline it for us on Monday.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
But at some point too, the way Duke Tobin referenced him,
he's expected to be here, he needs to be here,
and the fact that he's not, like, what a what
a blunder it is. But I don't know how not
getting on field reps at all in the offseason that
you could come in and training camp and have a
significant role on the team as a rookie. Now, if

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you're a veteran in the league that's been here six
years and you know how it works, and your body's
right here, right, he's ready to go. But again, even
with that new scheme, new terminology, new assignments, Al Golden
wants to incorporate all that like, what technique do you
line up in? Do you line up on both sides
of the ball? Do you move in at guard at all?

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Are there plays where you're dropping into coverage? The terminology
is different, The depth of your pass rush could be different.
There's a lot of instricracies. For for Trey Hendrickson, now
he can pick up on him because he's been at
it a long time. Yeah, Shamar Stewart, the rookie jump
is hard enough as it is, and now you're going
to try to learn a whole system whatever day of
camp you get here. If you do, it's not possible.

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So I think what happens is you then if you're
the coaching staff, So, okay, is there anything we can
get out of him? Let's let's run five different calls
that he can go in there and maybe disrupt on
a third and long?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
How long would things have to go before you said
he can't even do that.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
He's got it. He's got to practice a majority of
training camps.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
So let's say he shows up a month from now,
which is the twenty third, that's when their last preseason
game is. Let's say he shows up the day after
their last preseason then he can't do any no change,
then you just red shirt right off his rookie season.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Like even getting here, getting into the mix and then
maybe getting some third and fourth quarter game reps. What
hell yeah, if he's not in the preseason, there's no
chance he can impact this.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
All right, So let's say, and I could do this
all day, but he shows up in two weeks right
before they play a preseason game, could you get is
there enough time for them to get something meaningful out
of him his rookies?

Speaker 5 (55:44):
I think a package. I think you say, hey, he's
good for seven to twelve snaps a game, and in
those snaps they're gonna be specific roles, you know, because
then you say, okay, what can he do best? Is
it get after the passer? Is it run defense? Maybe
he's a guy that they feel like there are packages
where they can have Trey, Miles, Murphy and him all

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on the field at the same time. Uh huh more
one off packages, but you know that that's where you
line up and thinking that's what I think is so
interesting about tying them together. We've talked all the time.
You know, is it week one Bengals are getting ready
to go to Cleveland, Is Trey on the flight. Even
if so, how much do you get pitch count? Right?
Then you're on a pitch count. So you don't want

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to go into week one with two guys on the
front four on pitch counts, right and again, And I've
alluded to this in years past, if you miss Tray
and I talked about this with Trey and Sam Hubbard
last year because they missed different parts of camp. Sure,
how much can you push the offensive line in one
on ones if Trey's not going against him, if it's

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a third and fourth string guy going against a Marius Mems.
Is a Mims getting the most out of that? Or
is it then affecting his development as well?

Speaker 4 (56:55):
The holdout itself my take, And this is obviously your
first day back after missing last week and the first
few days of this week from a vacation for a vacation,
So what I've been talking about often over the last
week and a half has been that, really right now,
the only way this ends is if Schamar caves. And
I know there's plenty of criticism. You could say the

(57:18):
Bengals deserve for their stance with Shamar for insisting on
this specific contract language. You have to operate within the
parameters of reality, and the reality is the Bengals are
just not a team that caves. I think if there
was one big takeaway from Monday, it's they're not loosening
their position as it relates to Shamar Stewart. So the
only way this ends.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Is if Shamar says, and I guess tells his agent, dude,
i'll sign it. Let me get to Cincinnati. In the
absence of him doing that, I cannot help but wonder
if he truly wants to play for the Cincinnati Bengals.
That's not fair.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
That is the concern because at some point, you would
think veterans on this team or others around the NFL
would say, dude, sign you need to get there. You're
throwing a lot of money away here, life changing money.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
And you could say that while understanding his position, like, look, right,
I get it. You don't want to set the president,
you don't want to be pushed around by the Bengals,
but you need to get your NFL career off to
a good start. You need to start working on your
craft in an NFL environ.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
And you've already done enough to hurt yourself. You already
made the comments about the organization, and to your point,
that would be the only thing that maybe we've not
talked about. Maybe the dude just doesn't want to be here.
I can't help but wonder, because if not, at some
point you'd have to look at your agent and say, well,
say Flowers moved on why he doesn't have many star
players in the NFL, James Cook one of his other

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players in a contract situation going through that. So at
some point is he getting any advice from players, because
that was one of the things when he talked right,
all the players got my back. They set up doing
the right thing. What's that tone? Like, are any of
these players saying, hey, sign signing, get here you this
team needs you. The drafted you Like, we're talking about

(59:02):
the seventeenth pick and I said, I talked about it
on Twitter the other day. We're not talking about a
third or fourth round like fringe guy. You draft the
guy at seventeen. That's to help the team now, huh
at a position of need, yes, right now. So not
having that is so detrimental. And I just wonder the
counseling again, not knowing the exact language the counseling he's getting.

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If he's not going to his agent, like, dude, let's
just figure this out. Then maybe he just doesn't want
to be here.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
And I cannot express enough how I understand that you
may be frustrated with the Bengals' unwillingness to budge, but
they have an unwillingness to budge. You're not changing that.
If you're Shamar Stewart and you're gonna try to change that,
you're not gonna play football this year. Correct, So if
you want to play football this year and get your
career off to the proper start, do you want to
start to shed the label that you're not productive? Do

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you want to dig out of whatever hole you may
have dug by how you handle things this offseason? Or
do you want to be in College Station Texas it
engaged in a in a standoff that you are not
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Win, Like that is the thing to me, Like you're
not going to win.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
It's it's like it's like holding the worst possible hand
and knowing you're bluffing. Yeah, fine, you could just still
you could hope the other guy folds. He's not going
to like your high cards a six man, like, sorry, dude,
you have to operate within the framework of reality. The
reality is the Bengals don't budge. Whether you admire that,

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whether you hate that, get your career off to a
proper start by showing up and working on your craft.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
And if I were Shamar, there would be part of
me that would say, Man, Trey's not there right now,
Uh huh, maybe I can, maybe I can play meaningful reps,
Maybe I can get meaningful snaps. Maybe I could if
this one in the case, maybe I'd be playing myself
to start as a rookie in the NFL because Trey's
not there. That's the that's the crazy part about this.
Like I'm obviously I didn't get to follow, but I'm

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listening to what's going on every day of vacation. And
it felt to me early in the week like you
felt pretty good about where Trey's at. Next thing, you know,
he's in Florida. Chamar's setting out pictures purposely in Texas.
Like it's just that that's not the way that this
organization is going to operate, and it's not what they're
gonna put up with. And at the end of the day,

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you fight this in the off season. What happens today
today you start saying, Okay, now, it's about the guys
that are here. It's about now, do we want Trey
to be here? Yes? And when trade comes, is he
going to be an impact player? Yes? But are you
really now focusing on a rookie, unproven guy that had
four and a half saxon College, that that ship sailed yesterday,

(01:01:44):
that ship sailed Saturday when the rookies reported, Now, you're
not doing this and then on the side saying oh,
please come back. Now you're saying, hey, we're worried about
the people that want to be here, and if they
don't want to be here, then they can figure that out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
It's easy for any one of us to say this,
but I'm gonna say it anyway. If I were Shamar
Stewart when I was drafted, I knew the questions were
going to come. Dude, one and a half sacks last year,
and again, like he was disruptive, he had a lot
of pressures, but one and a half sacks. I would
have spent the next three and a half months dreaming

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of playing in that first preseason game yep, and getting
a sack and okay, it's a preseason sack.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
But like dude, look, I can get to the quarterback,
and right now I would be saying.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Screw it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
I dug myself a whole first time to dig out.
I want to start learning what life in the NFL
is like. I want to play in that game against
the Eagles. I want to get a sack, and I
want to change the narrative. I want to change the
narrative about my productivity. I want to change the narrative
about my willingness to play football. And if my agent
doesn't like it, I'll go get a new agent.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
I want to be a part of an organization that
can win a Super Bowl, Yes, and be a part
of that because they need help on defense. That to
me is why I would be shocked at this point
if players have not at least reached out to him,
like dude.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Well, and part of it is like the Trey Hendrickson things.
So they're obviously balking a little bit on Trey long term.
Now you know, Trey has said they're a bit offers,
they've been atrocious, whatever, but they're obviously the Bengals have
some reservation about Trey long term. If I was Shamar Stewart,
I would want to show up and start doing everything right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
So the Bengals start worrying about you know what, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Good, right, like, yeah, we want Trey, but you know what,
we're we're okay because we've got this Shamar Stewart guy.
And in the absence of that, sorry, I can't help
but wonder if you actually want to play here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
But it also that feeds into the toxic situation that's
happened here because Chamar's camp is now saying, well, guess what,
as long as Trey's not there, we have some leverage here, right,
And Trey is probably saying, well, if Chamar's not going
to show up, they have to pay me, So they're
they're in a backwards manner here. They're feeding off each other, right, Well,

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we have leverage as long as the other player doesn't
show up, and that creates that toxicity.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I don't know that the Bengals have ever placed more
emphasis on a new coach, a new assistant coach, than
they have on Al Golden. We'll talk about him when
we come back where a Bengals training camp practice has
has anything been unfolding while you and I have been
talking that we need to let our audience know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
No, right, now we've got a little seven on seven mo.
They've not done any one on one stuff. And as
we say that, des rit Or completes another pass uh
in seven on seven. But no, it it I think
one of the main things we talked about urgency and
and how these practices feel. And look, this is standard
for a day one of training camp. It's not going

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to be the fastest. It's not going to be the
most physical. I said, it's it's lining up and to
that point, well, that's what they're getting.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
That Dees Rider Cole Taylor connection. You know, I top
of a couple of times I see those two guys
who can come so already, the chemistry building between.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
It's been incredible. Want a treat to watch.

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Twenty five minutes after eleven o'clock Tony M Football Show,
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We're doing a little like individual positional drills.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Right now, right, yes, yes, we've got uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Team is split onto both fields.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
They really utilize both fields down here they do. This
is uh, this is the uh the country club portion
of practice where you just break down into some groups.
Like one of the one of the things I always
thinks fascinating is you'll see like day one, like, man,
that D line look good in team. Well, yeah, because

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you can't fire off the ball and try to pancake somebody.
You're not tackling anybody, so everyone runs out. It's just
it's so hard to tell the first couple of days
of camp. That's why I said, logistically, it's great, you're
working on stuff. Right now. There's a drill happening in
front of us where defenders are trying to chase down
a player and punch the ball out right. You know,
it's crazy to see that because it happens in games,

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and you think that just stuff like naturally happens. You
actually practice the technique. Yeah, sure, using that right now,
that's what they were doing. They were running in a
circle and a player was coming in and knocking the
ball out from behind. So you're trying to get out
all those little details that can happen maybe once or
twice a year that make a difference for it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
But you know what, like day one of camp has
sunk the season before aj Green twenty nineteen. You know
that awful turf at Welcome Standing. Oh god, Marvin Jones
got hurt in the first day of camp I think
twenty fourteen, in a year where the Bengals had a
ton of injuries on the offensive side of the ball.
So like they might not be doing as much, but
some bad stuff can still happen. Right now, I haven't

(01:06:57):
seen the cart come out, I haven't seen the trainers
come out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
So far, so good.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Yeah, it's uh. And as you mentioned, like you you've
been around and covering this organization. You've been a fan
of this organization for a long time. I can remember
growing up to have the chance maybe once every other
year when when they moved back here to come to
a training camp. Yeah, you could sit wherever you wanted.
Uh huh. It was it was spacious. Now, like I said,

(01:07:23):
you had to get here ninety minutes before to get
in line to come into camp today. Yeah, like that
that is It's it's how much this city now feeds
off of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I always think it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
My I told the story yesterday going to Wilmington with
my grandfather and seeing the nineteen eighty nine Bengals and
getting autographs on a on the back of a Frish's place.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Mat.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I do get a kick and you're you've been down
here every day for years. I do get a kick
out of watching, for the most part, how gracious the
players are with their time, autographs, pictures. I don't know
how much practicing in the morning is going to change
that because lunchtime is coming, and maybe at a full
day of meetings. But I've always when I've when I've
come down here, I always get a kick out of

(01:08:09):
watching guys, you know, be gracious with their time when
it comes to autographs and pictures and stuff like that.
I was telling my my sister in law is bringing
uh my nephew in a couple of weeks, and I'm like, dude,
he's he's gonna geek out and she's like, they sign
autographs and stuff, And I'm like, I'm sure there are
some players who don't because I have other stuff going on.

(01:08:30):
But for the most part, man, I've always thought it's
so cool to watch the players when practice ends in
interact with fans.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
But you know, mainly yeah, and can we use this
as a point too, Like it's one thing to interact.
Let the kids get the autograph.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Oh please, Oh, for the love of God, let.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
The kids get some autographs. I've seen where like kids
are trying to and full grown adults are standing like
blocking the kids. Like you mentioned, like you remember getting
autographs on the back of a freshest place.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Yeah, like it's some you know, napkins or other stuff
that you're signing. It just means something to the and
those kids, I don't they're not looking to make a
profit on it. They're like to turn around and sell it.
It's it's it's awesome for them to come down here.
And if you've not been down here, like the access,
like the ropes are right up against the field, yep.
Like it's not like you are fifty yards away and

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you got to bring binoculars with you. You can get
a pretty good view and a feel of what's going
on down here. And the Bengals have done a great job,
great job with that and obviously allowing us to come
down here and spend some time this year makes it
even better.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
It's uh, it's it's very Do you have your sharpie?
I gave my sharpie to one of our colleagues. Okay,
well my favorite thing is also and I did this
as a kid too. You get an autograph and then
you look at it and you're like, huh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
You get back home and it's like I got a
bunch here, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I remember.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I remember as a kid getting David Grant's autograph on
that napkin and then like, who's that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
I've seen before, I've seen before, and I do laugh,
but like there'll be a parent standing behind the kid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Kids got Joe Burrow's autographs and like here comes some bottom.
I'm of the roster guy and he's ready to sign it. No,
come back here, come back here. Yeah, but no, it
is it's what makes it. Uh So it makes you
when training camp has changed so much, like players' families
are here most days, like it's not as again, I
think of yours when I was around her before me,
where it's two a days and all you want to

(01:10:17):
do is get off the field and get in the
ac and you're here all night. The schedule itself, these
guys get to go to dinner, they get to stay
in their own places. It's a it's a good setup
for the players.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
There's not dormitory rooms at Wilmington College or.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
George Lawford College for the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
All right, Zach Taylor's the first part of Zach Taylor's
press conference. Next that we're broadcasting from Bengals training camp.
It's the Tony and mof Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
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Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Yeah we're here. We are I from Bengals training Camp.
It's a special edition of the AE Door and Window
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(01:11:20):
started this afternoon. We're gonna split that up because we're
gonna be here for obviously normal hours for cinty three sixty.
We're gonna get the second half of that and Joe
Burrow coming up between noon and three. But this is
the first half of what Zach Taylor had to say
right before the team took the field earlier this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:11:38):
Fresh chart for everybody, you know, every year is a
little bit different.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
So so twenty twenty five seasons here we get a
chance to go on field as a team and set
the standard for ourselves right now, day one.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
We haven't done a lot today.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
You know, we started and now you know, we got
quick meetings and then we're on the turf, and so
I'm excited to see how these guys respond to that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
Train not recording sham.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Is that unexpected or Joe kind of get a sense
that was probably gonna work out.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
I had a sense that I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Recently since then, I guess since he's been back, I'll
just keep all that to myself.

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
There anything different from this first day that maybe.

Speaker 9 (01:12:13):
The schedule is very different, you know, And I know
that's a boring answer, but for us it is you know,
you get a chance to come in here and right
away we're gonna be a quick meeting and be on
the field, and all of our install was last night,
and so again just excited for that change. It's a
little bit different for all of us, and I think
it's gonna be really good thing for a team, crucial.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
One of these first three days for all of the rookies.

Speaker 9 (01:12:37):
Better here there's training camp is long, you know's it's
a marathon, not a sprint, And so I'm not usually
too quick, learned to my lessons to be not be
too quick to judge performance early on. Some guys come
out the gates born. Some guys take some time to
settle in and with's have a better understanding of the scheme.

Speaker 8 (01:12:58):
Some guys are better once the pass come on.

Speaker 9 (01:12:59):
Some guys are better once you get to that first
preseason game and you can really see their playmaking ability
on either side of the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
So, you know, I think just observing everybody's.

Speaker 9 (01:13:08):
A little bit different as we go through it, and
we'll get through this acclamation period before we strap up
the past next week.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
What are some of the tangible precautions you take right
now to avoid soft tissue stuff and some of that
stuff that tends to.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
Be really consistent this time of year around the league.

Speaker 9 (01:13:23):
Right, So our sports science stuff, Garris Wampson does a
great job, you know, communicating the player loads and the
distances and the speeds and all that stuff were and
he monitors it as we go through practice, and so
then we have the reports after practice. We communicate with
the players during practice. Really, the way the schedule is
set up with your alloted time on the field for
these first four ramp up days, it is to protect

(01:13:45):
against that. This is the longest stretch of consecutive days
we go in training camp, but it's also the least
amount of time we're on the field.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
So we'll do a great.

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
Job monitoring all those guys to get through this acclamation phase.
And then that's that's the sole purpose really for our
two day on one day off FOSS to minimize those
third day soft tissue injuries. So our players responded to
well to that. We'll be on top of it. You
can't prevent everything. There's things that are going to happen.
That's that's part of football. But I think we do
as good a job as anybody and making sure we
can prevent.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
That those sacred any category that you any one or
two categories that kind of it's.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
Green, we're good. If it's red, it deserves my attention.
So you know, we we've done that. That's where the
consistency comes in, you know, just having that strength department,
Joey and Garrett there for the last seven seasons, so
you know, we we feel like we're on the same page.
And and they do a great job communicating with the
position coaches and players over the course of practice. The

(01:14:44):
players understand the expectation of hitting, you know, percentage of
their max speeds every other day to make sure that
they can stay fresh on top of their their max speeds,
and they just they present to the team usually in
the off season.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
They present to the team early in training camp.

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
So the players understand the why behind doing everything we
do in practice, and while we monitor them the way
we do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
How much do you manage and camping two veterans?

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
Yeah, both, and everybody's a little bit different, but two
guys that you always keep your eye on.

Speaker 8 (01:15:12):
We've always really had a plan for Tea. I thought
we had a good plan.

Speaker 9 (01:15:16):
As the season progressed last year towards the end of
the season, and so there will be elements of.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
That this training camp.

Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Last the last training camp, he was coming off an injury,
so we managed it that way. We'll continue to do
that and Jamar the same thing. We want to make
sure that Jamar's fresh at the profecate times, and so
we'll manage him more.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
We need to distraction. Is it going to be not
having Trey or Shamar here for the start?

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
No distraction for us on the Edify list?

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
What is training camp it to look like for him?

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
Start out with just some condition?

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
You know, he's still coming off the off season, so
again the timetable that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:48):
Is to be determined.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Aside from when you practice during the day, what else
is going to be different about this training camp or
what else do you want to be different about this
training camp.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
I just think it's we've got a whole new defensive
staff right now for the most part, and so just
how we practice will be a little bit different. Pre
practice will be a little different. As we compete will
be a little bit different. And I'm just excited to
see how it all turns out for us.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
He said, it's no distraction at all from the team
with you know, without shamar or trade.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
What makes you so confident that this team is capable
to keep that from being an distraction.

Speaker 9 (01:16:23):
I think that's just in here, you know, it's it's
a lot of conversation. Is an easy topic to hit
for you all. It's newsworthy, certainly, but the guys that
have been in the locker room, they just want to
go take care of business and so it does not
come up for us. But I understand in these settings
it's going to come up, but it has been nothing
for us.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Guys we won't see out there that we should probably
be pready four one, you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
Know, No, I think Zach Moss is the only one
that we really didn't hit on the other day. But
aside from that, guys will be out there again. There's
always guys that we're gonna take precautions on their own camp.
But I've always talked about them. You know, Bj Hill,
that's Hill. We will just he'll be an individual. We'll
work theme in gradually every single day. Feel like he's
on a great pace there. So those are the those

(01:17:06):
are the primary ones that that grab my attention.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
What's the word that you can do with this year?
And can't you know how far Hoogi is from the
rist injury at this point last year, how does that
kind of look and how do you Approacheck getting where
he's at.

Speaker 9 (01:17:16):
Well, the only thing last year with him was we
did there were days where we limited him where he
did not thrill, and so right now there's there's none
of that. So he'll participate every single day like he
like he normally would, fully healthy, and then anticipate playing
him more in games than we ever have.

Speaker 8 (01:17:32):
What happens before ten? When do guys arrive and what
do you get done before you take.

Speaker 9 (01:17:36):
So you've got an eleven hour word day, So that's
that's the maximum you can do. So our guys get
in the first thing that they got his day forty
five team meeting, and then we can work eleven hours
off of that. So and then it changes when he
come back from games the day after games as well.
So there's some rules in there that Doug does a
great job looking into our schedule. So there's there's only
specific times we can have these guys and so they

(01:17:57):
start their day eight forty five morning.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Is that similar to years past A forty five?

Speaker 9 (01:18:04):
Yes, yeah, we've always started eight thirty forty five in
that time for in France.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
Guys, how different did it feel to you today walking
in here knowing that you were going to be hitting
the practice field so much earlier than in the past.

Speaker 8 (01:18:13):
I like it, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:18:14):
It's it's not that we've been walked throughs typically at
eleven o'clock, So it's nothing earth shattering there in terms
of being outside and getting on the field. But the
energy level's got to crank up earlier than normal, you know,
Guys got to come in ready to roll, and they
felt that today from us certainly, and so again just
excited to get started, get started and get to work.

Speaker 8 (01:18:34):
Are there any on the earth made?

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
But it's certainly cooler, and that's that's only helpful in
terms of the injuries and able to get more out
of your players. We will transition, you know, as we
get closer to the first name season, because we do
play at one o'clock in the heat, transitioning back to
our afternoon practice that we'll get to once the season starts.
So we'll incorporate that, you know, a little bit before
that any game. I think it's the first time we

(01:18:59):
do that preseason game, but it certainly is. I mean,
it's just like the temperature. I think last year was
eighty eight on the first day at two fifteen, and
the day before is ninety one at two fifteen, and
the day before seventy seven at two fifteen, and so
today at ten twenty, by my calculation, is going to
be seventy seven degrees, which is pretty nice, cooler, maybe
a little overcast, and so you do get more even
even if they've done the same amount the day before.

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
There is more output you can.

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
Get from these guys because you know it's a little
bit cooler, and so you maybe have a little sharper practice. Again,
I'm mindful we're going to play our games in the afternoon,
and so we got to get used to the heat
at some point, and we will as training camp moves on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Under day setting a tone or sending a message at
the start of campsack.

Speaker 9 (01:19:41):
I think a little bit sometimes it can be coach speak.
There's some real things we're doing. These guys were walking
into a forty five and they've seen the energy level
from us to day forty five, and what is going
to be expected, and I expect that to translate to
the field. I expect that to translate to our performances
once the season start, and so again it's a lot
of things that we'll be will be dialed in on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
I want to cry.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
That's it's a big I could not care less about anything.
Zach Taylor just said, you can hear the questions.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Now, it's a big thing. Oh my goodness, imagine the
time will save I not having to discuss that I can't.
I can't tell you what this my heart is full,
or not having not having the mad listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
This is the sort of thing that like gets me
thinking super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
It's one of the things where they say they got
a lot they're going to change in the off season. Yeah,
to get off to a fast start, that's part of it.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
The media relations guru here, Emily Parker's her name, you know,
she walked over to see how, you know, our setup
was going, and she had this look on her face
that suggested me, ye're in for a surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Yeah, oh that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
It's been it's been more than two decades. Yeah, we've
been carrying these press conferences, oh crystal.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Clear fifteen to two.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
When these are the sort of little things you take
care of the big stuff, just sort of falls into place.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
You changed it, You change your your thought. I like this.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
It's it's unbelievable. It's uh, sixteen away from twelve o'clock.
You talked briefly about the Baltimore evens. Let's kind of
roll through the AFC North. Can training camp begin?

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Can we just real quick? This is the this is
the paranoid portion of camp. Okay, where coaches are still
paranoid that people are here to steal play, So they
put this wall of players so people effectively can't see
or video what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Have they lined up? Are they doing that because of you?
And I probably? I mean there is a like a
hospitality ten for some sponsors here, but like if you're
among the typical Bengals media, you could just.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Yeah, but that see that rope even cuts off, so
it's hard for them to get around that. This is
the top secret portion, all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Right, it is, uh, we'll talk about the AFC North
when we come back. It's the A.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Dorn Window Tony Mo Football Show, broadcasting from Bengals Training
Camp on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
From the x State.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
We are live from Bengals Training Camp.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
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(01:22:25):
Knowledge of Today broadcast area and we're using the Ray
Saint Clair Roofing your Homes Trusted Problem Solver Hotline. Uh
since he three sixty comes your way at twelve noon,
we're broadcasting from Bengals training camp. Uh, Tony is with me.
We just watched Evan McPherson. I counted three for three
just while I was reading that. Did he make another?

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
Didn't miss? Okay, didn't miss. A line of media members
now filing off the field.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yep. All very hard working, all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Just the who's who here?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Well, I mean just day all. It's day one.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
We talked about this earlier as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
They're not yet wearing that haggard look haircut.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Now look at look at Jay Morrison. That's a pro.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
That's an absolute pro veteran Like.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
He just folded up his seat into what looks now
like a canteen. He can sit down wherever he likes.
Some of these camp days get long. It's hot, sun
is beating down right, Not for us.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
You know, they're gearing up for a grind. Oh covering
an NFL T that's a grind.

Speaker 5 (01:23:27):
It is it is? Yeah. Someone asked us, uh, if
we'll be doing the same thing from Arrowhead Stadium on
a Thursday in August.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
I'm gonna do my show from Arrowhead really, Humm, whether
you want to do yours or not is up to you.
I am not waiting.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Around the Tony and Arrowhead show.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Yeah, I'm not waiting around that hotel in Kansas City
all day. So I'm gonna go to Arrowhead Stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
And do my show. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
We'll still have plenty of time to enjoy Casey. So
I am gonna tonk C shows. When the person in
charge of our schedule was like, all right, August, what's up,
I'm like, well, you know there's a day for us
to travel to Kansas City, But like Thursday, I'll do
my show from Arrowhead. First of all, I think it'd
be cool. Secondly, ain't nothing worse eight o'clock kickoff? Sit

(01:24:14):
around the hotel or do a show previewing the season.
So yes, I will be at it and you are
welcome to join.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Okay, this changes things, it should I mean changes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
We put you down on the field, throw it out,
throw it down.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
All right, we got a couple of minutes here, give
me a minute on each As the Ravens are starting
training camp, what are they trying to figure out of Baltimore?

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Fool? Uh? For them? Their defense was an issue last
year and many they addressed it in many ways. Malachi
Starks is the guy we talked about in Cincinnati a lot.
They get him. Mike Green is a guy we talked
about in Cincinnati a lot. They get him. Uh. They
still have Marlon Humphrey, they have Kyle Hamilton. Oh, by
the way, they went and got Jaynor Alexander. They have

(01:24:54):
made an effort to make that defense better. Why couldn't
the Bengals get Gyed alex great question? Uh, the contract
was nothing with you call at So you have all
of those things coming together and then the ultimate question
for them, I until it gets changed. Can Lamar win
games in the playoffs? Can he elevate his game? Because

(01:25:15):
if not, those voices get louder and Louder and Louder.
That's gonna be the main question there as Uh, look
at this, We've got Jamar Chase right in front of
us here TV. This year. They're signing autographs for kids.
Can't beat it for the kids. Yep, It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Yeah, in Pittsburgh, the obvious answer is a rod integrating
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
My guess is with Aaron Rodgers, he's not going to
be unlike the Steelers as a team where there are
moments we are like, dude, like the Steelers play games
during the season.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
We are like they look the part.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
But over the last couple of years, I'm not sure
any of us have taken them seriously as bona fide
title contenders. I think Aaron Rodgers still has enough in
the time to have those moments. I don't think you
take him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Seriously with the Pittsburgh Steelers as title contenders.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
They avoided the distraction with TJ. Watt. Sure they got
that deal done. Sure it's still a very good defense
in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
I'm interested to see how they use Rogers. Is it
two tight end sets, is it trying to establish the
ground game. I want to see what that looks like.
But I think there's something about Rogers that wants he
wants to show something in this final year now whether
he still can or can't, but if they can establish

(01:26:37):
a running game and get that going. We know that
that this team has struggled at times with the Steelers,
that's a that's a tough team to go through.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
We're late, so I'll make this quick. In Cleveland, they're
trying to figure out everything.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Yeah, just they have to figure out everything. And from
Cincinnati standpoint, just make sure you're blocking Mason Graham and
Miles Garrett Leak one. It's tough ask, it's a big ask.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
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