The Tony and Mo Football Show LIVE from Bengals Training Camp -- 7/24/25

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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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of the Bengals all these many years. Tony Pike is here.
I'm here. We've got our tent, We've got practice unfolding
just right in front of us.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
It's gonna be a good day, Tony.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
How you doing. I'm great because right now the way
this tent and the sun is set up, I am
in the sun and as I looked at you, you're
in the nice shade. Yeah. We got a little fan
out right.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
That's why you get here first tone.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Well you know mode day two. Uh, when you get here.
The way we get here, we're able to see the
players start to file out. Al Golden first one on
the field today. You know, I was not familiar with
the sheer size of Al Golden. Big dude, Oh my goodness. Yeah,
he's huge, and he looks like he could still go
play in the A gap if he needed to. For
us snapper to know we we.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Were talking about, you know him versus Lou Andromo Lou
and Aarumo was not a large guy, right, it was
a tiny guy by any stretch. But Al Golden should
take him. We should have an award like the first
out award. Yeah, you know, first one out here. Could
be a player, yeah, could be a coach, could be
a medium, you know who knows. But today the the

(02:03):
the imaginary award, Al Golden wins it.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
You could sponsor that award if you'd like you can.
I would give it yesterday to the grounds crew. They
spent more time on this field than the players did. Yesterday.
I was able to watch every second of it from
here till three o'clock. But it is It's interesting I
thought the tone coming out of day one of training
camp because it wasn't about easing in. Hearing Joe Burrow

(02:28):
talk after yesterday's camp, it felt like a upset Joe
Burrow because the offense lost day one of training camp.
And I think that the more you kind of get
away from it for a little bit at night and
you come back the next day, I think everything about
how Joe Burrow was yesterday is trying to set a
tone for an offense that hurt nothing. But what in
the offseason. You're great, it's not your fault. Offense isn't

(02:52):
the problem. I think if you're Joe Burrow now, you
you're trying to set a precedent of Look, this is
a new year, figure the stuff out and we're not
relying on what we did last year going into this year.
And I think you saw a little bit from Joe
Burrow setting a tone yesterday.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Well, just to set the scene here, we are what
about fifteen yards past the back corner of the end zone,
so a bird's eye view of practice, and we'll try
to set the scene for you as the morning unfolds.
Let you off anything significant happens today. Yesterday the big
deal was a desertter through a lot of passes, none
of them hit the ground. We've got the Bengals possibly
adding a weapon on offense that we'll talk about a

(03:28):
major quarterback story developing with one NFL team, and we'll
talk about year two of this offense with Dan Pitcher
as the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
That you'll hear Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
You'll hear Boomerosias and on Joe Burrow playing in the preseason,
some thoughts on Trey Hendrickson, who wants to be a captain.
There's a lot of conjecture out there about Jamar Stewart
and his agent, which we have to talk about. And
you'll hear what Joe Burrow had to say about Trey
Hendrickson as well. But let's start with what you just
talked about. Let's see it up Joe Burrow yesterday, here
he is in the post practice press conference expressing his

(04:01):
dismay with the performance of the offense on Day one.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
Got a lot to work on for sure, but it
was good to be bad. It's usually how it goes.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
For the first day.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
We we just we got a lot to clean up,
but we got a lot of time. So well, usually
everybody's on their own working. You know, we don't have denotiers.
We're not really going against each other like that. The
offense is all about timing, rhythm, working together to become
a cohesive unit, and so that's not going to be

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a case on the first day. I thought they were
really sharp today. I thought their energy was great, and
I think the defensive backs were playing really well, playing
their leverages sticky and coverage. So they won the day.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay, so that's Joe Burrow yesterday, and you're right, he's
not happy with the performance of the offense. I kind
of heard that yesterday and took it a little bit different.
I think this defense could use some building up, right.
I think this defense, which, let's face it, the defense
sucked last year. Yeah, I don't have a more semantically responsible.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Way to put it.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
So, if the Bengals are gonna re emerge as Super
Bowl contenders, Joe's gonna do his part.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
If he's healthy.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Al Golden's unit has to be significantly better. I think
there's something about, hey, look, let's let's give these guys
a boost of confidence. Let's talk these guys up a
little bit. Let's get these guys thinking, Yeah, man, you
could step toe to toe with me. I think what
he said was based in reality, and I certainly do
appreciate the fact that he is continuing the theme of hey, look,
we're not good enough. I'm not good enough offensively. We

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have to be better. But I kind of took that
yesterday as there's the most important player on the team,
kind of boosting up that unit which has to get
better and could use some confidence.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah, he was asked yesterday how many safety blitzer do
you see on day one of training camp? Usually? But
what I also took from that, which I found interesting
because it's a conversation we had every day of training
camp last year. Did you notice that when Joe Burrow
said everyone's on their own training in the offseason, then
you come together and you need these practices to be
a cohesive unit. Yeah, interesting because we talked. We tried
to downplay that last year because Jamar Chase didn't practice

(05:59):
right at all in training camp. So day one and
you already hear Joe Burrow talking about the emphasis of
getting everyone together, being a cohesive unit, getting guys on
the same page. That's why these practices are so important.
That's why you're doing the drills that you're doing, the
team settings that you're doing, because it's important to have
all guys out there. Because again, you can look at

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a playbook, you can understand what you're supposed to do,
but until you line up on the field and run
the route, or line up with emotion or what the
defense is going to do, or hey, you know that
didn't feel normal to me, cut your split down by
two yards, Little things like that that he didn't get
to do it all with Jamar Chase last year of

(06:42):
training camp, right right, Yeah, I don't like how that
motion felt. I don't like where our splits are. I
don't like how long it took to get to the
top end of that route. That's all what you get
to do here and iron it out. You don't want
to iron it out in game one of the season.
They did that last year. So I thought he spoke
a little bit as well to the emphasis on being together,
being out here as a whole unit and getting work done.

(07:03):
So on one hand, you love that part. On the
other hand, how much does not having Trey Hendrickson and
Jamar Stewart limit the defense from doing that?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Sure? Yeah, you know last year, folks like myself who
have never played the position, we kind of talked about
Joe Burrow with Jamar Chase. Let's like riding a bike, right, boy,
if there's a pair in the NFL that has great
chemistry that can just sort of get on the field
without much practice time and hit the ground running against
that group, well maybe not so much, sure, right, And

(07:32):
so you could speak to this like, yeah, man, like
Joe knows Jamar intimately. Well, that was a big part
of Quarterback on Netflix. That doesn't mean they don't need
time together, right, That doesn't mean I mean, if if
you and I, you and I do shows together all
the time, it's not apples to apples.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
But if you.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
And I didn't talk for two years and then we
sat down to do a show, it's you know, it's
it's not gonna be the same.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Right right now, we'll get into it pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
And Joe and Jamar by week three last year were
awesome but I want to win Week one, and that chemistry.
Week one was absent last year because I think in
a large part Jamar didn't practice. It is practicing now.
That tells me that chemistry might show up in Cleveland
Week one.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
And it's one thing too. It's like I know a
receiver that I've played with for years. I know the
speed in which he gets out of his brakes. I
know how far ahead I got to put the ball.
But what's different? And again, if you take a piece
of paper and you draw up eleven offensive players and
you say, okay, this is where you're lining up. You
have an eight yard split from the n man on
the line of scrimmage. That might be fine and good,

(08:33):
But when you get out here on a practice setting,
maybe they run the play and Joe Burrow takes a
three step drop and he's ready to throw, and he's
like that just doesn't feel right, just doesn't feel in unison. Hey, Jamar,
let's run that again. Cut that down to six yards,
or hey, don't take that. Don't take that route to eight,
take it to six and see how it feels. That's
the stuff that you need to do on the field,
not I know where Jamar is gonna be I know

(08:55):
the speed, you need, the ins and outs of a playbook.
And I also think to to piggyback on what Joe
said yesterday, This is now the point of the year.
I talked about this a little bit after you left yesterday.
Joe's now at a point there's not many things he
hasn't seen on a football field. So what are you
able to do now if you're a coach. Let's throw
more at him? Yeah, and when do you do that

(09:16):
training camp?

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Right?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Because I want to throw as much at him as
possible and then see, Okay, he excels at that, and
he's maybe not comfortable with that yet. Let's take that out.
But now that he's comfortable and where he's at, throw
as much at him as you can. And yeah, maybe
you see a little bit of hiccup on day one
or day two as you iron that out, but you
have that luxury because you have all hands on deck
on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Joe also talked yesterday about Trey Hendrickson, whose absence obviously
is continues to be a major storyline. I don't think
we need to say this, but Trey is not here.
Neither is Shamar Stewart. No, here is Joe Burrow talking
about the absence of Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, obviously disappointing. You know, you'd like to have have
all your guys out there day one to try to
to build that cohesion that I was talking about earlier.
But that's it's not how it usually works out. You know,
it's a business, and.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
That is uh, how's gone.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, of course, of course that's you know, it can
be frustrating, but you know that's the business of of
the NFL. That's how things go. I just I know
how it goes. Yeah, I mean treyor are gonna constant contact?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
I think the earlier you get these things done, the better.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
We you know, nobody's ever gonna vault a player for
doing business how he feels he he needs to. It's
it's cut throw business. It's uh, you gotta fight for
everything you can get.

Speaker 7 (10:47):
That's that's how it goes.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
That's Joe Burrow And what that was was sort of
a compilation of answers to different questions about Trey Hendrickson
put together by our guy Austin. So Joe wants Trey
Hendrickson on team, Yes, but compare that to him talking
about t Higgins. Correct, So like this narrative that's out there.
And again, I'm sure Joe Burrow wants number one Trey
Hendrickson to play this year. I'm sure he would like

(11:12):
there to be a resolution to the Trey Hendrickson issue
as quickly as possible. But there's this narrative out there. Well,
Joe is just banging on the table for these guys,
and he badly. I'm sure he wants Trey Hendrickson here
play that versus everything you heard from Joe about t Higgins,
it's markedly different.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, what I think would be fascinating. What if yesterday
when he asked about that, when I was asked, he said, Man,
I'm pissed he should be here. I don't know why
we haven't got this figured out. Like that, to me,
he's in need right right. He didn't call him a
need Like if he would have said that yesterday, what
would that have prompted the Bengals to do? Like if
he stood up and said this is ridiculous. Yeah, he's

(11:50):
one of the best defensive players in the league. I
don't understand why he's not here. He's in need, not
a one. We can't reach the area we want to
reach without him. If he would have taken that tone,
I'd be really interested to see, you know what happens now, right,
But the well, we're in contact, and I'm disappointing he's
not here and this and that. That's what I think
is fascinating in all of it.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, and look, he's in a position where he he's
not gonna call out his bosses and he's not gonna
call out the teammates, so he's got to sort of
thread the needle there. But like he talked emphatically about
t Higgins, and he didn't throw anybody under the bus.
He just talked up his teammate. Yep, he's in need,
we need him. They gotta take care of him, like
he talked up his teammate. And so again, I'm sure

(12:32):
Joe wants Trey to get paid. I'm sure Joe wants
Trey here for as long as humanly possible. I'm sure
he wants him on the team this year. I'm sure
more than anything, he wants just this this issue to
go away. But that was striking to me, and he
knows it. He could have stood up there. You're right,
and said, look, every day we don't have Trey Hendrickson here,
we're worse off.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, say, we can't win the super Bowl without trading.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
We need Trey here as soon as possible, and this
has to get done. It's got to get done now.
There's urgency here. We're trying to win a Super Bowl.
The clock is ticking. We need him on the field.
Our other dns need him on the field. Our new
defensive coordinator needs him on the field. We got to
pay him. He could have done all of that. And
so my take with Trey Hendrickson all along has been

(13:16):
I don't think either side's premise is necessarily wrong. My
guess is, and it's just a guess. Joe feels the
same way he wants Trey. He understands how good Trey is.
He also understands, at least to a degree, the Bengals
position as it's related to Trey.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah. I think yesterday, first day of training camp, Trey
Hendrickson not here, that was his opportunity to use that platform. Yeah,
And we know more than anything, and probably more than
anyone else, how calculated Joe Burrow is.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
He knew the questions were coming, He knew it was coming.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
The way he handled the t Higgins situation, he knew
that was happening, and he just kind of took a
I thought it was a political stance. Yeah, right, Like yeah,
disappointed sure, Like Trey, he made no news.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
He Trey Joe all the time. Joe Burrow went out
of his way to not make news. But by not
making news to me, that stood out.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yeah, Like that was.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
His opportunity among all the things I wanted to hear
Joe talk about, and he has been asked about him,
you know, during OTA's and mini camps and all that stuff.
But you're right, he knew when he walked into that session.
All right, you could predict three or four of the
questions you're going to get. You know, one of them
is about Trey Hendrickson. He knew what he could have said,
and he didn't say it.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Yeah, do you think Joe could have said, like, hey,
I want Trey to be a captain. We need him
here because we were just getting ready to name him
a captain this year.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I went off on the whole Trey Hendrickson captain thing yesterday. Yeah,
so I'll spend some time. We'll spend some time on
this in the eleven o'clock hour.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Yeah, I'm enthralled by it.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Are you are enthralled?

Speaker 5 (14:51):
I just can't. I can't imagine a player like being
hung up on that, Like you know what, This money
looks good. Yeah, guarantees look really good. I love the length.
But if I can't be a captain, I don't want
any of this.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I wouldn't want to be a captain.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
And again, there is no apply significant role for a
captain other than let's go try to win a coin
flip and make sure we know which direction.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Were because it's voted on, Like you always want some
sort of validation from your peers.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Sure, right, So like if I read a book.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
When I was a kid by Keith Hernandez, Who's like,
I don't care about the All Star voting. I care
about the end of the year team voted on by
the Sporting News because that's voted on by the players.
NFL players will say, there's Pro Bowl and there's All Pro.
All Pro matters more because it's input, a little bit
more input from people who are really close to the sport.
I could certainly understand you wanting some validation from your

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teammates that make you a captain. Like, I'm sure that
feels good, but it being a sticking point?

Speaker 5 (15:53):
What you kidding me? What would the locker room culture
feel like if a coach came up and said, hey, guys,
we got five captains by available this year. You're gonna
get to vote on four. Trey is gonna be our
fifth because that's in his contract as a player. You're like, what, okay, Well,
Joe Burrow is a captain, right? Yes?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Was Joe?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I know he missed the one practice because of the
met gala. Oh Joe Burrow here for every ota. Yeah,
Joe Burrow here for Mini Caamp. Yep, Joe Burrow here
for day in one of training camp. Yep. Joe Burrow
set the tone for professionalism and preparation for this franchise.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
And there are others. But does Joe do that?

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Twice in the last year, Trey Hendrickson has asked for
a trade. He didn't come to any OTAs he was
not here for Mini Caamp. He's not here now, Joe's
a captain.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
What else you want?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Trey's a captain? Kidding me? Sorry? Like he might have
a legitimate gripe about his contract and that's all. Well,
and good. But in terms of leading your teammates, I
know what Joe Burrow does. I don't see that from Trey.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yeah, it would be you know, I hate comparing situations
from other teams, but right now Dallas is a dumpster fire. Oh,
Jerry Jones just going at players, right. Do you know
who's showed up at training camp? Michael Parsons not practicing right,
But I'm gonna be here with my guys. I want
to get back out here. Even that you can appreciate well,

(17:10):
to say.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Jamor Stewart or Jamar Chase was here, yes.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
To say, like, well, I don't want to be a distraction.
That's such a cop out, like show up, be on
the sidelines and actively say I want to get this done.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Does a team captain show up to a mini camp
practice mere feet away from his teammates and stand there
talk about him suthing for twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Does it feel like a guy that is eager to
get something done and get back to work when he's
not even here. No, Because to me, if Eaven in
Cincinnati we're watching right now, the team is just stretching.
If Trey's on the side, or maybe he's even mingling
talking to players or talking to some coaches that would
tell me like, yeah, they're not there yet, but this
is a guy that wants to be here. He wants

(17:52):
to get a deal done. When that player is in
Florida while this is happening, how much are you really
wanting to get done?

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, you might want to get it done, But to me,
the idea of he's gonna lead these guys, he's the captain,
like his his behavior, and you may think his behavior
is justified, and some of it I actually do think
is justified because he's using tools at his disposal to
get what he wants. But there's a difference between that

(18:19):
and I want to be on the field leading these guys.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
I want to be You can't be a captain from
the beach. You can't be a captain from from eight
hundred miles.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Away, and so out a side out of mind.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, Like if I'm Trey Hendrickson and I see Mike
Brown out here on his golf cart, I want to
be standing right around it to make him look and
be like we're gonna get this done.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well, to put a little pressure off. You have a
new defensive coordinator who's got his hands full? Correct, who's
got his hands full? One of the way you show
captaincy is I'm gonna be attached to Al Golden's hip
and I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Help help bring these guys along.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm gonna help integrate these players into his system and
vice versa. I'm gonna be the bridge between what our
defense was and what it needs to be with the
new guy. There's always an adjustment period, right, whenever there's
a new defensive coordinator. And you talked about this yesterday,
No Sam Hubbard, no Jermaine Pratt, players who have been captains.
You know what, I'm gonna be in that role. I'm

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gonna be in that role because I'm under contract, and
you know what, we can still negotiate. He's not doing
any of that, correct, And that's the thing, Like he
is under contract. He can be here right now, and
there's nothing that says you can't come to Joe Burrow
two years ago, came to camp right, participated in training
camp all the while. What was going on they were
negotiating a contract extension. Why can't that happen with Tray

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Hendricks said, if he really truly wants to be a.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Captain, correct, that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I'm gonna start calling him captain want to be because
I think in his head he wants to be a captain,
doesn't know how to do it. That's his new nickname,
Captain want to be Captain, My captain.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
I like this, I like this fascinating.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Bought to get him one of those like captain's hats,
you know that they like the yacht rock concerted threads
and put it on him and like a photoshop.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
But at the end of the day, we say all
of this, can this team reach its potential if he's
not on the team. No, That's what makes it difficult.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
The pass rush was awful last year and he led
the league in sacks.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's what makes it difficult. And I know we'll get
to the audio and we have some of it. But
I heard Solomon Wilcox yesterday talking about the NFL as
a whole. Thirty one teams last year threw more passes
than they ran the ball. The Eagles were the only team.
But you're in a day and age where pressure is king,

(20:34):
pass rush is king. It helps the secondary, it helps
the second level. It gives you opportunities to create momentum,
changing plays. Pressure is king, and regardless of everything we
just said about Trey Hendrickson, this defense can't get to
the level they need to get without him.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
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is happening right now, Tony, have you noticed anything of
note as the Bengals go through their paces this morning?

Speaker 5 (22:14):
You know, I think it's fascinating because I've been watching
the quarterback individual drills here. It's right on about midfield
of the field. We're sitting on Dan Horde. It was
a quick video yesterday he posted to his Instagram, but
it was just a close up of Joe Burrow's footwork. Like,
if you want to like train at the quarterback level

(22:36):
and you want to be as good as Joe Burrow,
the footwork's the only way to do it. Yeah, Like
quarterbacks change arm angles all the time. Quarterbacks can move
and throw on the run. It's what you're able to
do with your feet that split second right before you
throw the ball that gives you a chance to be accurate.
His feet are so elite, and I know it's just
a day and a couple periods of practice. Now his feet,

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to me look the fastest that they've been. Like it
just how quick he's getting to his drops, how much
he's sliding in the pocket. But again it's the split
second right before the ball is released where he gets
himself back to balance and drives off his back leg.
It's like it's fascinating watching him go through these bags
and then watching the other quarterbacks night and day, and

(23:20):
it's not a shot at the other way, Like it's
just you're talking about like I think sometimes we get
lost in that. You could go to thirty two NFL
training camps and there's a good chance in all other
thirty one you don't see a quarterback with as good
a footwork as Joe Burrow, And so like when you
watch the other guys go like their footwork's normal, his
is just so elite that it makes the other guys

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look ridiculous. I'd want to go. I'd want to go
fourth in line, Like I would never be the guy
to go right after Joe in an individual drill, like
let two other guys go and then let me jump
up there and see like okay, or maybe third, Yeah,
because you don't want to be the guy right before
as well. I think thirds the honey hoole. Well, one guy,
slow this down and then don't put me right before him.

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You want to be third right now in line of
the individual drills.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
So while uh, well Tony watches Joe Burrows feet were
maybe we're gonna see Noah Fan today. So Jordan Schultze
Fox Sports last night reported that the Bengals are going
to host the tight end who was cut loose by
the Seattle Seahawks this weekend. No A Fan twenty seven
years old. It's interesting the speculation has been, well, he
was a cab casualty. There's been there's been speculation that

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the Seahawks asked him to take a pay cut.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
He said no, so they cut him loose.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Mike McDonald, the coach in Seattle, was very evasive when
camp started there when asked questions about why Noah Fan
was cut loose. He is a player who had forty
eight receptions last year for five hundred yards. He has
averaged fifty catches the year since entering the NFL in
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Is no a Fan do anything for you?

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Absolutely? More weapons the better now, I fully understand the
folks out there that can say, well, no offense would
be a great addition. What about guard?

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah sure, what about safety, safety, corner corner?

Speaker 5 (25:09):
But if you're in this mold of let's just go
all in and be the best offense we can possibly be,
do I think no offense makes them better offensively? Yes?
I don't think he can play guard, a.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Little bit more of a traditional in line tight end
compared to a Mike Gasiki.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, you can. You can line him up, you can
attach him, good run blocker. I think a little bit
of what you're missing in Eric All and what they
hope to get out of him. But if you're asking
me today, if we leave today and no offense on
this team, is the offense better? I think so.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It's interesting you mentioned Eric Hall, who you know, god
when he was on the field last year, just looked
the part. Yeah, you hope, you hope he gets a
chance to even have a chance to the play in
the NFL again. He's had so many knee injuries. But
you know, two years ago they drafted two tight ends
for a reason. The other guy Tana McLaughlin. I don't

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get the sense they're all that right, huge on him,
and so what's changed?

Speaker 4 (26:05):
You know?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, they added Mi Kasiki and Mikeasiki is a very
good player, kind of wide receiver. Three, if you will,
a little more of the non traditional type tight end.
They still have drew sample if last year at the
draft you were looking for tight ends and neither have
really worked out, And that's not Eric AHL's fault. Who
I just I loved everything about him last year. You

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should still be looking for tight ends.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
That means you're still not looking for guards, safeties, corners,
et cetera. But you're still looking for tight end.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yeah, you're looking at ways to make your team better.
And I know if you pull that a packed crowd
down here today and said what are the biggest positions
of need, You're probably not going to run across anyone
that says tight end first. But this team's better and
this team would be better in my opinion, if Eric
All was on the roster. We saw, you know, remember

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the years of Hernandez and Gronk. Yeah, we've seen in
the NFL two tight end sets work. The Baltimore Ravens
do a ton of two tight end sets. The Kansas
City Chiefs we.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Used to talk about years ago here with Gresham and
Tyler Riifer years removed.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Now you see Kansas City going to a lot more
two tight end sets opposite of Travis Kelsey. Teams do
that because it creates problems. It creates matchup issues. Tight
Ends are hard to cover. Do you use a safety
dropping down who's gonna give up size but can maybe
cover better? Do you use a linebacker who could be
as physical but is not as good of a cover guy?

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That's that's hard to come up with when you face
a team like the Bengals. And if you throw two
out there, like I immediately thought last night, Noah, Mike KASICKI,
Jamar Chase t Higgins who gets the attention?

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Good luck?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Right? Plus Chase plus Chase Brown on the backfield, So
luck now instead of the Jermaine Burton aspect or wide
receiver three we talked about yesterday. Now you're asking a
linebacker or a safety who's already not as comfortable covering well,
which one covers Kasiki? Which one is going to stay
for safety help over the top on Jamar Jason t Higgins?
And then what linebacker is going to match up with

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Noah fan If I'm no a Fan, and I'm here,
I'm like, man.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
This is well think about it. And our guy Austin
points this out. Noah Fan tweeted during the Bengals run
to the super Bowl, and I'll read this yere verbade him.
Joe Burr, Joe's sisty, Joe Mama, whatever you call him,
He's the real deal. So Noah Fan is a Joe
Burrow guy. But if I'm no a fan, I go,
wait a minute. Joe Burrow got cj Uzama paid, he
got Hayden Hurst paid, like remember that, Like, oh, they

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got to keep Hayden Hurst. And then he didn't really
get IRV Smith paid because Irv Smith runs like me,
he's helped kind of imagine or reimage Mike KASICKI if
I'm no a fan, I'm like, I need some of
that Joe Burrow magic dust sprinkled on me. He's gonna
turn twenty eight in November. It's not like he's post thirty.

(28:49):
I'm like, dude, I got a Cincinnati I've averaged fifty
catches a year. Maybe I'm not going to catch that many,
but can I catch forty to forty five balls from
Joe Burrow and then see what the NFL thinks of
me because I've seen it happen before with other tight ends.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah. I mean I would sit out here today and
I would watch Jamar Chase catch passes, t Higgins catch
passes at Mike Asiki. Yeah, and so how are they
gonna guard me too? And I know I believe it
was Schultz that with Hayden Hurst.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So we've seen it with tight ends before.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
And I think it was Schultz reported he has other
visits that he's lining up right, the Bengals get the
first shot. Yeah, So don't let him leave if you
think it's a genuine good fit. Don't let him go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean, to me, it would just be Noah, do
you want to catch passes from this guy on a
one year deal and then hit free agency next year? Yep?
Do you?

Speaker 5 (29:33):
And then you get Eric All back? Yeah? After that,
and again it's a good fill in and to me,
it all comes out. Does he make the offense better?
Day one? Yes?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Boomera A.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Sison has thoughts on Joe Burrow playing in the preseason.
You'll hear them and I'll ask Tony to respond to
them when we come back. We're broadcasting from Bengals training camp.
The way this is working is Tony and I are
here till noon, since he three sixty. From noon three,
Tony will still be here watching the remnants of training

(30:04):
camp practice.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Yea, yesterday felt like a golf course. Yeah, they just
went around and they replaced divits.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Probably gonna do some of that today, by the way,
a lot more work on both fields today than yesterday.
And then I'll be on from three to six. Back
in our Kenwood studios. We are broadcasting right now from
the Airport, Paint and Body Broadcast area.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
It's the A. E.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Doorn Window, Tony and Mode Training Camp Show on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Behold Them.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
We are live from Bengals training Camp, a very very
special edition of the A. E. Dorn Window, Tony and
Mo Football Show. We thank Adam Leber for his support
of this show and the Cincinnati Bengals all these many years.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
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Speaker 3 (30:49):
Three, five to one three Toph also Oakley Greens. We're
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the race Saint Clair roofing hotline. So one of the
themes of training camp is urgency, avoiding the slow starts,
not starting zero and two, and using the preseason to

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better prepare to hit the ground running when the real
games actually begin. That means Joe Burrow and the players
who matter most are going to play in games that
don't matter at all. Here is Boomerasiasin on The k
Adams Show talking about Joe Burrow playing in the preseason.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
I can only go by my own personal experience.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
Now, we had four preseason games, so we had a
lot more time to play, so it would be like
ten plays.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
The first preseason game, there would be a quarter.

Speaker 9 (31:38):
The second preseason game, the third preseason game, we'd play
the whole first half and then come out in the
second half. So these guys only have two preseason games,
and I think he needs to play. I think they
all need to play. They don't find their rhythm until
like week five or six. It's ridiculous. It's on everybody's mind.
Everybody knows it. Joe's a pretty steadfast guy. In other words,

(31:58):
if he wants to get something done, and he'll get
it done. And we've seen this before, so I think
they will be better earlier in the season.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
They'll be more aware of it.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
And I'm glad to hear that he's going to play
in the preseason, but not to play but twenty to
thirty to forty plays. But he's just got to get
the feel of live football and not feel like, you know,
the first time you're out there, like last week last
year against the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
He'll look very uncomfortable in that game.

Speaker 9 (32:23):
And that's a game that they should have put up
thirty points in, so and they're gonna and listen, okay,
they're gonna have to They're gonna have to score at
least thirty point well, I say twenty to thirty two
points per game if they're going to want to have
a ten win or eleven win season. Their defense is
so suspect at this at this moment that there is

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going to be a ton of pressure on their offense.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
That to me is the important part. So Al Golden
may dramatically improve his defense, chances are there will be
growing pains. And I know they're playing the Browns, who
offensively are probably going to be a mess, and the
Jacksonville Jaguars might not be very good, but still you're
probably gonna have to score a fair amount of points
those first two weeks. They got to hit the ground running.
What did you make on what Boomer had to say? One?

Speaker 5 (33:10):
It took me back to remembering growing up watching preseason games,
looking forward to the third one, yes because I knew
the starter is going to play, at least in the
first time rehearsal, and thinking how much that has significantly changed.
When when Ky Adams posted that yesterday, it came with
the stat that Joe Burrow, since being drafted to Cincinnati,
has thrown eight passes in the preseason eighty five years. Right,

(33:33):
That's it's significant. And we talked about what Joe had
to say yesterday. Joe talked about why it was important
to play in the preseason because when you get into
practice and you have a free rusher or an end,
what do they do They stop three yards before the quarterback. Mentally,
you know that you're not going to get hit. The
mentality of knowing you could get hit in a game

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setting changes at and I think that's what Joe Burrow
is looking for, to play at that type of speed
mentally and physically and get himself locked in that way.
So I agree with everything Boomer had to say. I
think there is a direct correlation, in my opinion, to
some of the slow starts and not playing guys as
much in the preseason for whatever reason. Maybe that's how

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camp goes. Maybe other teams handle things differently, but I'm
in full agreement this. This team needs to have guys
play in the preseason more than what they've done in
years past, and I think doing so will help alleviate
some of that start problem.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Play them in the first two, not in the third,
play them at all, three, skip the middle one. What
would your what would your plan be?

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yeah, based on how your personnel looks, I would I
would back end or out front end loaded. I'd go
first and second and then get some more time on
the back end. Because normally that third one you're you're
really trying to figure out some roster spots as well,
and that means the other team's trying to figure out
some roster spots as well. So maybe a little more exotic,
Maybe players are playing a little bit more aggressively than

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they should. I don't want to deal with that, So
give me the first two weeks.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Second preseason game is the eighteenth. That's a little bit
less than three weeks between games. So do the games
made playing in those first two games get off set
by the long stretch if he doesn't play the third one,
the long stretch between that second preseason game in Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
I don't think so. I mean, you get into two
buy weeks in the NFL, and you're you're not playing
for two weeks at a time on top of each other.
So I don't think it's as much. I think it's
going a whole off season without that action and then
trying to dive into a game and figure it out
as you go. So I think just the right amount
in those first two preseason games is more than Enoughing

(35:39):
we've talked about it before, you can buy your play calls.
You can navigate what you're asking him to do. I
wouldn't I wouldn't be running many empty sets with long
developing routes. I would do some max protect stuff. I
would do some quick game stuff, let him get a
feel that way, and then get him out of the game.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
What I would do, and I'm gonna give you a
piece of gambling advice.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
If they were to do this, des Ridder would play
the Colts game start and then I would take the
college funds for all three of your kids and put
them on the Bengals to win that game, at least
on the money line. Because des Ridder has never lost
in Cincinnati. How about that as a starting quarterback? How
about that? Sam?

Speaker 5 (36:19):
And it could be an audition for him, maybe for
the Colts, maybe for the Indianapolis Cult.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Perhaps the New York Jets who have a developing quarterback
situation that we will discuss when we come back.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
We have to discuss something with the Browns too.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
There's a lot we can discuss with the Browns.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Was the video reeler fake? Did the guy actually fall
into the water or was that staged? I think it
was real. There's a camera angle that makes me second
guess it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Okay, we'll discuss in the eleven o'clock hour because I
do sort of like their helmets. I think the helmets
are kind of cool looking.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
O beat.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
It is sixteen away from eleven o'clock. We're broadcasting from
Bengals training camp, AE Door and Window, Tony and Mo
Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station from
the Clements Heating and Air Temp Star Weathers. We're just
yelling at Jeremy Row.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
It's the.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Football shop. No one is spared, No, no one is spared.
We're being yelled at by a broadcast professional right now.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
This is unbelievable. Oh my broadcasting from Bengals training camp.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
We did a segment yesterday on Hey Dudes, Austin and
I and Jeremy. He's rocking the Hey Dudes, but it's
Hey Dudes, and he's got socks on underneath black socks.
I question everything I've always said about Jeremy.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
God rest his soul.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
If my dad were alive, that's how he would be
wearing his Hey Dudes.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
At least questioned everything right now he is. You know
the fact that we just gave him a little bit
of pushback.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
It's gonna go back to all those media folks and say,
whatever you do, don't go over there toward Tonian.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Oh wait till we see Daniman, his broadcast colleague the
Ohio Joe, what's he doing sportscaster of the Year. Yeah,
well that's because Joe's got dress shoes on.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Looks the part sla he looks.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
He looks the part of the dean of Cincinnati sportscasters man.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Hey Dudes, with socks.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
We're broadcasting from Bengals training camp. What's happening? Are we
building a wall? What's going on here?

Speaker 5 (38:16):
This is one of these secret plays coming out?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Gotcha? So the Jets apparently start training camp practice at
like five in the morning because they're already done for
the have done for the day. Justin Fields, their quarterback
went down with a lower leg injury. He limped off
the field, went into a tent, and then was carted off.
Now there's been speculation that the injury is not that serious.

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Aaron Klenn, the coach of the Jets, did not want
to speculate on the injury offer any insight. But there's conjecture,
speculation whatever, that it's it's a toe. It's maybe not
that big of a deal. The New York Jets backup
quarterback is Tyrod Taylor. Would rather have Tyrod Taylor if
if push came to shove in.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Just the same Tyrod Taylor that played a Virginia at.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Tack against you and the Orange Ball still playing still
in the league.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Good for him.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Tyrod Taylor, the winning quarterback in the two thousand and
nine Orange Bowl for Virginia Tech.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Now I want Jake Browning.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Jake Browning's better than Taylor, and I mean just saying that.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Naturally, the Bengals have to move on dead redder than
number two spot of course.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Uh, in all seriousness, if a team you mentioned the
Titans yesterday, if a team developed a quarterback situation during
training camp where they were in the market for a
guy from another team, I'm overly complicating this. If a
team suffered an injury at quarterback and then needed somebody

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else and they called the Bengals, where would you start?
Where would your baseline asking price begin? If you're Duke Tobin,
fifth or sixth rounder, that's where you start.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I think you can get that for Jake Browning.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I for a team desperate for a quarterback, And.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
That's a thing like that. We we've talked about that before,
like trading players in the offseason verse camp. Start to
get desperate in the camp start, you're a little more
willing to move on because it's a little more out
of side, out of mind. You're a little more willing
to move on from a future draft pick. Yeah, if
it means helping your team that's on the field right
now now.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Jake Browning a year ago at this time was coming
off having played close to a half a season. Yeah,
he didn't play last year, right, because Joe played in
an every game, does that that has to at least
slightly diminish.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
His a little bit. But you have enough film that
you can say, hey, this is who I am. Right,
it's not speculating, it's these are the opportunity I was
given and this is what I did with it. I
think there's enough there that a team would be willing
to pay a premium for that at a obvious position
of need. And if you're in training camp looking for

(40:44):
a quarterback, then you should be willing to pay a
little more for it.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And you would be comfortable with des as your backup
quarterback with him having just joined the team this week.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yes, because of the experience he has. If it was
a rookie, maybe it's a little bit different, or some
who's been a career backup that just swapped to a
different spot. But he's got significant experience as a starting
quarterback in the NFL, and I would give him that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Jake Browning or Justin Fields.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Everything I heard about Justin Fields was he had a
great offseason. Yeah, so I would I would have leaned
Justin Fields. I still he's one of those guys. Still,
you got to see him do it. Sure, Although I
didn't think he was terrible for Pittsburgh last year, at
his moments, yeah, I surely did here. I thought put
him on the field, I thought he was fine for third. Yeah.
That there's one thing I could tell all Golden today. Hey,

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if you see Justin Fields come on the field, he's
probably gonna run it.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I don't know that there is a.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I don't I certainly don't know when Zach Taylor, in
concert with Duke Tobin and maybe others like, decided okay,
we have to move on from lou There had to
be a moment the day that I decided there had
to be a have to move.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
On from lou If.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
For those who don't remember, the Bengals played the Steelers,
I think it was like forty five thirty seven. Cincinnati's
mounting last second comeback, Pittsburgh's got the ball. I think
it's third into close to midfield. Mike Tomlin, there's a
time out. They put Justin Fields on the field, and
you knew exactly what they were gonna do. Yeap sixty
five thousand people in that stadium, knew what the Pittsburgh

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Steelers were gonna do.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Look like there was zero preparation, and he.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Ran for like thirteen yards ice the game. And I
mean I remember sitting in the stands going, that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, lou got to go appreciate everything.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
How can a guy be as masterful as he was
against Patrick Mahomes and still miss that?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, I mean I can't understand why the defense regressed
without you know, Jesse Bates, etc. Like that. I understand.
I don't understand how in that moment, like it's one
thing of like, hey, they had him and Justin Fields missed,
you know, broke a couple of tackles. Individual just made
a great individual play. They looked like they had no
idea that Justin Fields was going to take it on

(42:54):
his own. Yeah, and he didn't start the game like
they put him in situationally to run that play, and
they looked woefully.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Unprepared for it.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
That was it. That was it.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I mean, if I was like running the Indianapolis Colts, uh,
I think Chris Ballard is still the GM there and
lou An arumo Is is going to interview to be
my defensive coordinator. That's obviously the gig that he's under.
If I'm Shane Steike and the head coach and I
sit there with Lou, we are putting that we're putting
that play on the board, right, going like all right,
just explain to me what happened here, just so we know,
just so, just so we're on if we hire you

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and this happens.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
What would you do more prepared? Yeah, did at any
point in the huddle out of the timeout someone say like, hey,
just in case, what are we doing? That was that
was one of those like jumping off moments.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, that was the moment where you went they can't.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, they because people talk about like, well, lose defense
got too complex, and I think there was a validity
to that because they did dumb it down to the
end of the year.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
But it's like, and players have already talked about Al
Golden in that sense of that he wants us to
go play.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, play fans, cover the guy in front of you, Yeah,
beat the guy in front of you. Let's not overly
complicate these things, like you know, we are still talking
about Jesse Bates.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I feel like with Lou.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
You could expand what you were doing with that group
because of some of the dudes you had. There's a
lot of guys on this defense who are just not, frankly,
all that proven, and so I think you kind of
have to dumb them down and then we'll see how
they expand. But dudes, dudes.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
That's how you do ten years of a show together.
You start a segment with hay dudes and you finish
it with dudes like.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
How we did that?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
There very good lable chet me round may have left,
maybe they've gone home.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I like him trying to explain this the sock to
sweat ratio as we were coming back on air.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Inexplicable.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Look, I'm no fashion template, you know that, and I
dress very poorly, but even I know your games.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Your game is elevated in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Owing any hey dudes. But I wouldn't wear socks if I.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Did, yeah, worse socks with Hay dudes or coming down
here in a day like this and wearing like flip
flops and no socks.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Oh that doesn't bother me. Okay, I'm not a huge
flip flops guy. But if that's like, if that's like
your regular jam. Yeah, that doesn't bother. You're outside. Do
you think I'm just thinking about this? Do you think
I would be allowed tomorrow to sit here and smoke
a cigar while we do this show we're outside?

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I don't see any no smoking signs?

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Right?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Do you think I could.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Sit here tomorrow and enjoy a few puffs while we broadcast.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
From Bengals training on a Friday?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Why?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Who would like? Who's the person that would say, no,
you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I don't see any around that. I don't care. These
folks cares.

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but you know, obviously there's a couple of fields here.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
They took all the activity from the field right in
front of us and moved it to the other one.
The cool thing is the.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Mass exodus of media members during that break that we're
leaving this side to go over there. Now. I will
say first play of this team, Drillmo. Jermaine Burton beat
uh Jordan Battle who was the safety help over the
top and also beat DJ Turner and Joe Burrow delivered
a beautiful back shoulder throw that Jermaine Burton caught on

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the first play a team.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Over Jermaine Burton, earning some trust.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Jermaine Burton, the trust that Joe Burrow has to put
the ball up for him and let him go get
it on display early.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
By the way, I got a note here from a
Bengals employee. Oh, last segment. I was wondering if I
could smoke a cigar while while we're doing this show,
and he texted me and said, they will ask you
to put it out, but how many puffs could I
get in?

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Glad they're listening? Before I glad they're listening.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Wouldn't but now like they'll be watching me like a
hawk tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Which, by the way, we could not be more appreciative
of this setup. Oh, it's awesome we have here today.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, Bengals have taken extraordinarily good care of us.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
I'd say you could get twenty puffs in. Yeah, but
see now, like who's going to be the person that
could Like right now, with all the action happening on
that field, right, no one's looking over here. Yeah, that's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Like they've moved you know, this eleven on eleven portion
of camp over to the other field.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
No, we have a if we paint the picture of
what's happening here, we have a gentleman standing right is
this is he observing us?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Is this our own security? He's got a walkie talkie?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
What do we have?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
And he is the security person closest to our table.
So I think he has sort of been a sun rule.
Were to come over to us, I think if I
if I like slide him at twenty, can I just
say hey, just.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Then I think you're good.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Look the other way when I break out the cigar,
then I think you're good. All right, we'll see if
we'll see if we can work on that. Bengals training
camp practice happening right now. We're broadcasting from the Airport
Painted Body broadcast area. Since he three sixty at noon,
I am back today at three oh five. I don't
know that we're going to talk about Trey Hendricks than
Shamar Stewart every single day because there's no news. If

(49:04):
there is news, we'll discuss it. I did read Jason
Williams column today in The Inquirer who kind of implored
Schamar to get rid.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Of his agent.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, as a former professional athlete, this might be a
really stupid question, How hard is it to fire your agent?

Speaker 5 (49:21):
It was easy for me. I moved on from an
agent very quickly.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
You know, the agent's sole purpose is to have your
best interest in mind and make decisions based on what's
going to give you the best opportunity to succeed. I
had an agent that, through no fault of my own,
had bigger clients at the time that were going through
either contracted deals or suspensions in the NFL that they

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put a lot of their time into. And I found
out that some of the visits I went on there
weren't follow ups done that the proper way they needed
to get the feedback, And for me it was it
was very easy. Now, you know, there's instances out there
where agents, you know, to get you on board, may
front you or cover things for you, and those situations
can be a little.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Harder basically by your loyalty, right.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Those situations can be a little harder because then you're
in debt to somebody, which which makes it a little
bit more difficult. And you know, being a later round guy,
I was not higher on the pecking order for an
agency as opposed to a guy who's a first round pick,
you know, were or concessions made in that sense. I
don't know. But I don't know if you were to

(50:33):
pull players in the NFL or even other agents in
the NFL and say, hey, you know this this situation,
do you think that this agent's acting in the player's
best interest. I don't think you're going to have many
that say yes.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like he is. It doesn't feel
like he is.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
In the NIL era, do we have as many agents
fronting money, especially to you know, first round picks.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
I don't know. That's a that's a good question. I
think that's going to be one of the fallouts you
learned from how the NIL world is handled. I mean
there's right now, there's players playing in the NFL that
took a pay cut to get here, so you know,
they're they're dealing with more money. Who do they put
in charge of that? How do they get there? But again,
every agent's trying to do the same thing to land somebody. Right,

(51:13):
are you just willing to do more than the next person?
And you play that off as a you know, if
you're a player, hey, this agent promised me this, what
are you gonna do? And and that's sometimes how a
lot of these guys make decisions as well, So it's
it's unique in that sense. But personally, and again it's
hard because we don't know every single detail and every
single word in the contract. It doesn't feel to me

(51:34):
like he's operating in the best age.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
If you're Stewart, are you just either telling your agent
this is what we're going to do, and you're going
to do it you work for me for me, or
are you just going, look, this is not off to
a great start. I'm gonna find somebody else.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Or you say, look, I'm gonna have to find to it,
find someone else if it gets to a point this
needs to get done today. Whatever needs to happen, it
needs to get done today, or I have to figure
out something else that's going to operate in my best interest.
You know, again, he didn't help himself by the words
he used when he spoke about the organization.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Sure, but you could I think you.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Could argue that that reflects poorly on the agent who
hasn't given Chamar the roadmap for how to handle this.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Right, like not a good start over there to the
team for dj DJ, I would just get beat. No,
DJ Turner got this time by T Higgins for about
a fifty yard touchdown over the top.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Well, that's gonna happen because T Higgins is awesome. But
DJ Turner not, Come on, DJ, you heard the rumble
in the background. You can hear the rumble from the fans.
I guess for me the way Schamar and you know
his dad has spoken publicly as well, but specifically Shamar
is sitting in his locker, sitting in his locker at
Mini camp, sounding off on the organization. Look for what

(52:50):
we do for a living. It was great, right, but
that's not helpful. It's certainly not going to compel the
Bengals to come your way. It's not a good way
to get off your your NFL career off on the
right foot. And so that to me reflected poor guidance, where, hey, look,
i'm your agent. This is what we're going through. You're

(53:12):
gonna be at mini camp, You're gonna get questions. This
is how you answer them. And so the whole thing
about the whole thing about his you know, his agent
acting in his best interest. I started to wonder that
that day, like, all right, did this guy's.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Agent No, he was gonna do that that he feed.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Him the line of you know, they're more interested in
winning negotiations than football games.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Like that to me suggested that perhaps.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Shamar isn't being given the guidance that he really needs.
And then you you take it another month, another month plus.
Here we are a training camp, he's not signed. The
two sides or at odds, Duke Tobin has called out
the agent, the Bengals have called out the agent, and
I just it feels like Schamar is being guided poorly, And.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
You would just wonder is it as easy as you
saying I'm moving on, or is there something that's binding
or tying him to his agent. By the way, DJ
Turner just had a great pass break up. All right,
I want to I don't want to be. You know,
you don't want to be. He's just harping on DJ Turner.
He just broke up a pass to andre Yoshibas. Very well,
you gotta be. You gotta have a quick, short memory. Yeah,

(54:17):
there's also something going on over here that I like.
We mentioned leaders on the field and playing in unison. Normally,
when you get to the other party camp, like if
you look at the offensive side of the ball, which
is hard now because we're doing this over radio. But
right behind the offensive huddle are all the coaches right

(54:38):
now as you break the huddle, those coaches are maybe
telling someone, hey, make sure your line up this way,
or what to look for al Golden Right now in
every play, who's calling in plays is about forty or
thirty forty yards away from the defense, right. I like that,
like you can't be on the field with him when
the game start. So let's get a play call in.

(54:58):
Let's run it good or bad. We'll get to it
in film. Because I always thought it was one of
the more genius things Brian Kelly brought when he came
to UC. Our tempo was so fast, we never corrected
things on the field, and Brian Kelly's reasoning was, well,
if that happens in a game, I can't hold your
hand for the next play. You've got to figure out

(55:19):
how to move on. And I like the coaching style of, Hey,
i'm gonna get my coaching done in the meeting room.
I'm gonna be thirty or forty yards away. I'm going
to call in and whether it's good or bad, we
got to move to the next play, because that's what
happens on Sundays and then go grade in the afternoon
and teach that way. But I like that style from
Al Golden of being a little bit more disconnected from everything,

(55:40):
get a play call in and then go from there.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, it looks like a game.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
I mean there's more substitutions I think right now than
you would have in a game because you're giving everybody reps.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
But it's now.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
But there are probably instances right now where he'd call
something in. There's someone in that huddle. It's like, oh, am,
I supposed to be here here. You better go with something.
You better go play fast and right or wrong? Correct
it after that?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Do you think that, perhaps, though, that that strategy maybe
did not work for Bob Diaco and Joe Tracy with
those defenses you had at.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
You see I talked about Brian Kelly's offensive. Well, Joe
Tracy and Bob Diaco maybe could have spent a little
more time teaching defensive strategies. Where's Bob Diaco now? I
just saw his name a couple of weeks ago. I
think he's landed somewhere again.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm gonna look it up during the break. It's gonna
annoy me I saw. I was just thinking the same
thing like he is. For those who don't know, he
was a defensive coordinator at u C in two thousand
and nine. He would go on to become the He's
at North Carolina with Bill.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
He is with Bill Belichick right now.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
He's the defensive line coach at the University of North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Under famously famously came into halftime at the Sugar Bowl
and asked the offensive staff to run the ball bar
in the second half.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Once referred to him as as many did Bob Iaco,
because there's no d wasn't great and you guys were
really good, but it really didn't come on the strength
of coach Deaco's defense. Al gold I've.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Ever seen a coach more mad to score forty points.
But we didn't. We didn't possess the ball long enough.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, from a schematic standpoint, are there things you want
to see Al Golden do that lu Anarumo didn't.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
I want with the current defense in place, I want
things just simplify because I want guys to play fast
and play without air, you know, And then you have
a true understanding of do you have some dudes or not? Right?
But if You've got players out there in this game
that are second guessing what they're doing or they're thinking
about stuff. You just play slower, and it's so fast.

(57:38):
Confidence is king in the NFL. And if you make
a call and you're confident of what you're doing, no
matter what the team does, you're gonna play fast, and
you're gonna play with confidence. If you're not confident, you're
gonna play slow, and that creates a lot of issues
for a defense to be successful in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
How much if your Demetrius Night is your head spinning?
Understanding a time the importance of linebacker now Golden's defense,
and I would say that for any rookie. But yeah,
and Dimitris has been here, you know, despite the fact
that he it's his contract, Lady signed the waiver, he
went through mini camp. But how much is your head spinning,
especially when you're practicing against that offense.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Well, the one is the speed. Everyone always talks about
the speed from college to the NFL, But it's the
playbook and the calls. And like I've said this before,
I remember my first couple of days in Carolina just
hoping to get the verbiage and the play right. And
then make sure everyone's lined up and then try to
figure out myself, like what did I even just say?

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And what am I doing?

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Right?

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Like Demetrius Knight wants to make sure he lines up
in the right spot, But what happens when someone goes
in motion? You know what happens when the shifts are adjusted?
How are you adjusting? And then once the ball snapped,
it's so fast you can't even you can't even put
into words the speed at which things happen in the NFL.
And for a guy like that, that's why it's exactly

(58:59):
what we talked about Shamar Stewart and the timeframe to
build up. Demetrius Knight needs every single one of these
practices to get to a point that he feels like
he can go out there on a Sunday and operate
the way he needs to confidently. Yeah, Like, if Demetrius
Knight practiced five days of training camp, how can you
be confident week one that you know what you're doing

(59:20):
and you're still gonna make mistakes because you're a rookie. Sure,
but you need every single minute of the meetings, of
the walkthroughs, of the team drills, of the individual drills,
of the film after practice to understand what you're doing,
and you also you also need to understand how to
take care of your body outside of practice. You need
to understand what type of nutrition that you're doing. You

(59:42):
need to understand how you're working out in season vers
out of season. Guess who's not doing that, Shamar Stewart
because he's somewhere working off by.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Himself out of college station.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Yeah, yeah, getting ready for the A and M season.
The twelfth man down there. Maybe you can, maybe you
can join the whatever those guys are that do this year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Weird guys that do those cheers.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
The yell, the yell practice and I'm not really.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Sure what that's all about.

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Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Joe Burrow to play quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I suppose that game is going to air live on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Cannot wait for that. Cam Taylor Brick
came off the field for a Gator read. Yeah, we
were wondering if maybe he had a He's back out
there about a guy. According to like Dan Horde and
many others talked about how good Cam Taylor Britt was yesterday.
We talked on yesterday's show about, you know, players who
have something to prove. You know, the variance is so

(01:01:32):
wide for so many of those guys in the second area.
I'm not sure it's wider than it is for Cam
Taylor Brit where you could certainly envision a scenario where
he's among the better corners in this league, and you
can envision a scenario where he gets benched.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
There was a time last year where he talked the
game like he was a number one sure and then
didn't always back it up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
But you know what, I like how he bounced back
he got benched, didn't didn't publicly complain, bounce back, bounce back,
and played pretty well at a great now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Yesterday, Joe Burrow said that the defense had won. There's
no chance that the defense is winning today. I mean
I I say this genuinely. Over the course of that break,
Joe Burrow threw a ball opposite hash to Jamar Chase
in between a corner and Logan Wilson. That was that
had the most velocity of a pass I've seen from

(01:02:19):
Joe Burrow. He now just hit Jamar Chase down the
field on a crossing route like I don't know that
I've seen an incompletion, And I've seen Jamar Chase, T
Higgins and others make a lot of plays over at
this this team period. Right now, that's happening. I think
the offense today is is is easily winning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
What's nice is you talk about the velocity of Joe
Burrow's throws. We're not picking apart. You know, it's a
little wobbley Yep, how's it coming out of his hand?
Like we're not doing that like we were doing last year?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Yeah, and again it last year. It took some time
to come together. Yeah, and like there was, there was
not a practice last year where Joe Burrow was throwing
the ball with the velocity he's throwing on some of these,
Des Ridard, just do a touchdown as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Has he thrown an incompletion so far in camp yet?
Because he didn't have any yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
I haven't seen it. And that one was a big
cold tailor down the middle of the field.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
The cold tailor. Des Ridder chemistry has been something to
be old.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
It's incredible. What an answer. Burrow's out here just dishing
out dimes and Ridder takes one of the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You know, Des Ridard, That's what he did all throughout
his college career. You see, you know, every time you
know he had an answer, I have an answer. I've
get an answer for you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Write me off. You wanna play Ben Bryant? Cool? Watch
me torch smu. All right? You know we're in a
close game college football playoff Berth on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Watch what I do here? Yep, some money player. The
team period happening right now, is on the field opposite us,
way down on the other end of the field, close
to the other end zone of the field. In front
of us are the offensive lineman. Yeah, what's your biggest
question or concern about the offensive line?

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
I have two. The obvious is guard. You know you're asking.
Dylan Fairchild is a third round pick to come in
and protect Joe Burrow on an offensive line that wasn't
good enough last year. I guess the job for other
guards bott is up for grabs. I don't think those
were addressed the way I thought they were going to

(01:04:22):
be addressed in the off season. But to me, like
if your guard play increases, Ted Carris increases because he
gets help on both sides of messes. I'm so intrigued
with the Marius Mims because there are plenty in the
NFL that go that year one, year two lead. There's

(01:04:44):
also some that take a step back. Sure, and we
don't want to and we haven't talked about the step back,
but advanced scouting departments in the NFL literally have people
on staff that just comb through hours upon hours up
hours of tape every day. The thing with a Marius
Mimms last year from a defensive end standpoint, you don't

(01:05:06):
really know how to attack him because he didn't have
a ton of tape at Georgia, right, and then you
don't have a ton of tape in season of what
he's doing. Now, what do you have a full off
season to say? Man, these are the plays where he excelled,
but these are the plays where he struggled a little bit, right,
How can we excel? How can we capitalize on what
he's trying to do? That now is what you have

(01:05:28):
to counter if you're Memes, take your weaknesses and make
them strengths. So I'm very interested in the year one
to year two leap for Marius Mims. Now going forward you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Read to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I think three weeks ago Pro Football Focus had and
ranked as the thirty first best offensive line league.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Sharp Football had him at thirty one as well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
So it feels like Flora is pretty low.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Is the ceiling high?

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
I think the ceiling is middle of the pack. Okay,
Orlando Brown solid if you look from a grading standpoint,
great out particularly well like No.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
It's interesting you say that because what I watched from
Orlando Brown was better than what the grades would bear out. Now,
I will defer to the grades because they're studying him critically,
But just to my you know, untrained eye watching Orlando
Brown play last year, I thought he had a good year.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Yeah, but great. But like if you go by the
grading system, he graded out of a fifty eighth Yeah,
which is ninety second out of one hundred and forty tackles.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
So when that was mentioned to me at some point
early in the off season, I thought like, no, yeah,
And I again, there's there's what I and I respect
the hell out of what Pro Football Focus does, and
I deferred to them because they are studying it critically.
What I watched last year is not the ninety second
best tackle in the sport from Orlando Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
But what I question offensively, the biggest question last year
was the amount of hits Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Took, sure, and then the amount of time he was
on the run.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Much like we'll talk about any other position. Are you
confident as we sit here today that enough has been
done to protect him? Because that's the ultimate question, and
that's the question that from an organizational standpoint you have
to answer, right, is Scott Peters and Lucas Patrick and

(01:07:21):
Dylan Fairchild. Are those combinations along with bringing back Cody
Ford and changing up the scheme? Is that enough that
you're confident that number nine is going to stay healthy?
Because again, you and I can have discussions and we
have about safety, about linebacker, about Trey Hendrickson, about Shamar Stewart.

(01:07:42):
Guess where the conversation stop if number nine is not playing? Sure, So,
if Trey Hendrickson misses the first three weeks, can the
Bengal still win? Yes, they can beat the Browns?

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Can they win those games?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yes? Can they win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
To no? Inexplicably not play correct? But can the Bengals
win the first three if Joe Burrow is not playing?

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
No, you don't think so. They can't. They can't go
three and no correct.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
So that's the one thing that disrails this train. Well,
Keny Hendrickson's a nice addition. Jamar Stewart will be nice. Uh,
safety help would be great. If Joe Burrow is not
on the field every game, then that's an issue, no question.
And you watched what the offensive line has been and

(01:08:29):
you have come back to the table and said, based
on what we've done, the research, the coaching, the scheme,
we feel like the guys we have in place and
what we've added is good enough that this is going
to be a good offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, and you know there's hey, the offensive line over
the course of the season could be league average. Okay,
are the two guards going to be good enough when
Miles Garrett lines up inside to keep him off of
Joe Burrow? Week one? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Right? Major?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I mean when when, when we're talking about that game
that we that's gonna be question number one? You know
it's it ain't gonna be you know, how do you
handle Joe Flacco or shod or Sanders or whoever the
hell plays quarterback for the Browns. It's gonna be Miles
Garrett's gonna line up all over the place? Is are
you gonna keep him off of Joe Burrow? And I

(01:09:16):
be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I don't know that right now. I like the long
term potential for what they have on the offensive line.
By long term, I mean by the middle of the season,
Dylan Fairchild has a half season behind him, more experienced
for Marius Mims, Ted Carris. You know, maybe not having
to clean up all of Alex Kappa's mess. Fine, but
week one, the somewhat newly retold offensive line, you're gonna

(01:09:41):
keep Miles Garrett.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Off Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
But it's not all just on that as well. What
are other ways that we've talked about that you can
alleviate that quick game, sure, screen game, Chase Brown in
the running game? You know, else no offense, if they
make something happen with no offense, does that help the
running game in any sense?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
There are, in my opinion from a play caller, standpoint
ways you can alleviate offensive line work, move the pocket,
more on the run stuff, you know, But do you
want to make it a point for seventeen regular seasons
game games to have to navigate around a bad offensive
line be based on game plan? No? No, you'd rather
not now there again, there are ways that you can

(01:10:19):
help yourself, but you're not going to find long term
sustained success if you're having to game plan around a
bad offensive line every week.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I just want them to get to a point and
they're not going to have this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
And just say Joe Burrow's great, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I want once to watch Joe Burrow play behind a
legitimately great offensive line. Now, look, a quarterback can still
get hurt. It only takes one hit. A QB can
get hurt playing behind an awesome offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Like it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
It happens. Hell, it happened to Carson Palmer playing behind
a very good offensive line. Hawbu to Andy Dalton, although
he was chasing down a guy who picked him off,
playing behind a great offensive line just once. I And
the only way this is gonna happen is through the draft,
which is why that Dylan Fairchild pick is so important.
The only way you're ever building a top end offensive
line is by nailing it in the draft and then

(01:11:09):
filling in with like a free agent somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
It was like there wasn't any we spent all off season.
I'm not available guards. Oh good god, Yeah, Brandon Sheriff.
I talked about Brandon more than anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
And that's the thing, like, relative to what we thought
they were gonna do in free agency. At the last
Tony and Mo Football Show, we talked about defensive overhaul
and go to the end of the earth on the
offensive line, and it doesn't like I'm Cody Ford is back,
which is fine, good backup player.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
If you have to break the glass and play Cody.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Ford, fine. I am more than okay with the Cordell
Volsen being on the team and being a part of
the mix. I don't want him starting because I've seen
what that looks like. But I just it still feels
like it feels like the Reds offseason where it's like
they did some things, but it's kind of incomplete. And
at Guard they did some things and those things may work,

(01:11:59):
but it still feels incomplete. That's just like there was
one more guy in the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
It's the whole thought of you could talk yourself into
how they could be. Okay, sure, but do we really
know yet? Like, do you have that proven guy? No?
Do you hope fair Child? Is that? Absolutely? Yeah? Is
Cody Ford that for seventeen games? Again, that's why the
organization and those scouting departments and that's why they make

(01:12:24):
the money they deal, right, because you have to make
that decision. But the weight of that decision for this
organization is vastly, vastly more than any other because of
the history that you have with Joe Burrow and the
hits he's already taken. Yeah, I mean he's you can't
keep playing with fire. You you hate it because people
do it, but you few it. The side by side

(01:12:45):
of how many times Andrew Luck was in how many
times Joe Burrow was hit? Sure, like those numbers are
extremely relatable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Well, and not even that, it's just Joe played seventeen
games last season kind of miraculous. If you watched the
amount of time he was on the run, the amount
of hits that he took.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
I mean, you and I talk so many times, how
many times would a play happen and you're holding your
breath for the camera to pan back to Burrow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Well, the if you watch quarterback he gets hit in
that game against the Steelers, and remember he had to
go in the tent. Yeah, and he's laying there and
you could hear, like instantly he's like, you could hear
the panic as he's like moaning, and again you could
have the greatest offensive line of all time and that
can still happen. But if he is on the run
and gets hit as often as he did last year,

(01:13:31):
the odds of him playing seventeen games for a second
consecutive year in those same conditions, correct, are not very good.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
And then the whole thing blows up if he has
to missignificant time.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
So it's like you said, you play with fire, And
my question would be, is there a backup contingency if
you get through a portion of camp and you don't
think fair Child's it yet? Maybe he can be, but
he's not there yet.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I think then it's internal options.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
Right, I mean, because I'm operating in the sense of
I'm assuming week one that twenty snaps in that game,
Miles Garrett is gonna line up over Dylan Fairchild, right,
Are you comfortable with that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
I think it was three years ago. I think they
got Max Sharping on cutdown Day.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
I think he'd been let loose by the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
But I mean, you know, I we talk about, like
all the main guys have to play in the preseason,
like two years ago, maybe three years ago, the Jackson
Carmen Cordell Volson battle right game number one, you knew,
like you knew I can't play Jackson, Carmen's not it
and Cordell Olson played all right, and you kind of

(01:14:45):
knew ball game preseason game number one against Philadelphia Eagles,
Dylan Fairchild's gonna play like Dylan. Show it to me, man, like,
make me feel better about this, because you're right man,
Miles Garrett, Game one is going to be like in
his chops, Hey man, put me over the rookie.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Put me over the rookie. Let's see what they got.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
It is twenty six away from noon. We're broadcasting from
Bengals training camp. The quarterbacks are back over closer to us.
Peyton Thorn is throwing a deep ball, incomplete and complete
to somebody not wearing a jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Let to take a picture. A very good all right,
it's incomplete, it's incomplete. Steven seeing a desert of ball
hit the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Does is in his head?

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Peyton Thorn, We've never seen Borrow take this many reps.
He doesn't want to give one rep away right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
It's twenty five away from twelve o'clock since he three
to sixty coming up at noon. It's the AE Doorn
Window Tony and Mo Football Show from Bengals training Camp
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Behold the boot.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Away from Noone.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
It's the Ae Doort Window Tony and Mo Football Show
right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks to adorn window
Tove five point three five point three to Oakley Greens
broadcasting from the Airport Painted Body broadcast area, and our
guests joined us on the Ray Saint Clair Roofing hotline.
By the way, we've you know, we thanked all those

(01:16:12):
folks who have made this show happen, and we have
thanked the Bengals for giving us a great set up here.
We would be remiss, and we're gonna do this often.
The job that our guy Mike Mills is doing. Man,
I mean you and I show up and sit and talk.
I know what it's like to set up equipment in
the heat. Yeah, he's gonna tear it down and set
up this tent and he's not even listening right now.

(01:16:33):
So we're giving him, giving him his flowers. As the
kids say, Yeah, I want to really say thanks to
Mike Mills for this is a long day. It's a
really long day for him and it's a long day
in the heat, and we uh greatly appreciate what he
does for us.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Yeah, it does not go unnoticed. Best, the absolute best.
You know, a lot of stuff happens on breaks here. Yeah,
because as soon as you take this headphone off, people
they view it as Okay, now it's time we can
approach and sure and talk. Now we did just get clarification.
I got Kevin Barnett clarified as he was over there

(01:17:07):
that the offense has dominated good the day today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Good.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
So I like a little competition, Yeah, one one. If
you're keeping score at home, sure walk a little bit
one to one. Joe Burrow with a chip on the
shoulder today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Well, and what we have right now in front of us, well,
they go through I don't know if they're two seven
on sevens or I don't think they're going eleven on eleven.
But what we have on the field in front of
us is the early makings of one of the more
heated battles here during training camp. And that's the competition
to be the team's long snapper. Oh that's a competition. Yeah,

(01:17:43):
But they have two long snappers in camp this year. Obviously,
Cal Oudamidas is back and William Wagner, who's a rookie
from Michigan, is competing with Cal to be the team's
long snapper.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
You know, he also won our award yesterday for first down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
First guy out. Today Al Golden won it. But you know,
if you remember when Evan McPherson was a rookie, right,
and we got Shane Graham on the show. Shane Graham
coached Evan McPherson, and we got Shamed on to talk
about money Mack and he's like, look, dude, He's like,
Evan McPherson is going to walk into the same field
goal operation as my last year in the NFL, which
was Kevin Huber and Clark Harris. And I think that

(01:18:20):
and Evan McPherson has talked about that, like I walked
in and all I had to do is kick like
that those two guys had. Since that first year, though
it's been in flux, different punters, different holders now minas
and so you know, we've talked a lot about continuity
on this team and Evan McPherson needing to be better. Uh,
do you sacrifice some continuity to give the new long

(01:18:42):
snapper a shot?

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
I didn't have it on my card for day two
of camp to dive into the long snap.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
It's right in front of it, this is its But
I will say, right in front of us. In my
early years at UC and this was like you don't
have a chance to play, But we might use you
before halftime for a hail Mary where you can throw
a pick kill your quarterback rating and go. I was
also a holder. I held for a time, And you
say I held in games at times were you good? Great?

(01:19:11):
I could go right or left? Who who's a lefting
makes a little tougher. Zach Klari's got Jay Rodgers also tough.
But the snapper, like people, when you watch it, it's
just like, all right, get the ball in the vicinity,
guy puts the ball down and you kick. Well, people
talk about laces out. That's real. There are there are

(01:19:33):
snappers in the NFL that every single time you catch
it and you put it down, you don't have to
spin the ball like it's a science. How many revolutions
that ball makes from the time you snap it to
when it gets to the the holder's hands. And if
you're seeing a guy put a ball down and constantly
spin it, then he's not getting the correct spin from

(01:19:54):
the long snapper, and then that delays the kicking. The
kicking play a little bit longer because you gotta wait
to don't kick the laces. If you can get a
snapper that consistently you catch and you put the ball down,
you don't have to worry about spinning or anything. Your
operation time increases and your confidence every time increases if

(01:20:14):
you're worrying about where the ball is gonna be, how
am I gonna have to hold this as or spin it?
And the same with punters like nowadays we do so
much directional stuff in punting. Are you leading the punter
the correct way? Are you putting it where he needs
to have it? Or is it low? Is it to
the left? Like it is, It's so much more of
a science. It's one of those plays in the game

(01:20:36):
you just always take for granted, sure, until it goes wrong,
until it goes back, and all it needs to take
is one to go bad and then you're under the gun.
But it is. It's such an intricate detail of the
sport that we obviously don't talk about a lot. This
is a fake.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, So what they're doing now is you know they
have the long snapper snapping the ball to Ryan Rico,
the punter, But Ryan is not punting. He's rolling out
and throwing passes. He's throwing passes to Evan McPherson who
has dropped both and have come his way.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
But zero percent on his catch rate. One on the
current field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
He made all his field goals yesterday. But yes, right now,
Ryan Rico has been practicing his today. His passes Today
is one of the days that his camp rolls on.
As a position player, you just start to despise the specialist.
Just to paint this picture. Evan McPherson did not bring
cleats or a helmet on the field today. Correct, Why

(01:21:30):
because he kicked yesterday Ryan Ryan Rico just overthrew him
by about five yards. I'm not sure we want this.
I'm not sure that this is gonna work. I don't
know that we want it. Bengals can run a fake.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Hure was fantastic and rolling out and throwing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
They can run a fake punt. I'm not sure the
fake pun should include the punter throwing the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
Yeah, listen, the amount of angst that specialists get. It's
why today. So if you're over there sweating and walking
your tail off, and you look over here and McPherson's
got like the cold talon, no helmets in the locker,
cleats are in the locker, it just eats away. It's
just camp.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
I've talked to Doug Pelfrey about like back in the day,
and he's like, yeah, during training camp, like there were
times I could sneak off and go play eighteen And
he's like, you know Lee Johnson, who was also a stockbroker,
like would would boot a couple of balls and then
go inside and you know, work on the stocks, read
the Wall Street Journal. That sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
We had when they built the Game day locker room
at UC which is like a locker room right under
the bleachers. Our specialists would go in there after stretch
and play PlayStation in the air condition. Now, uh, the
actual some of the actual stuff, stuff that's happening. Austin
just sent us this from Joe Danaman saying, Miles Murphy
left practice sitting on the back of a cart that's

(01:22:43):
not good. Was being looked at by a trainer as
he was walking away from individual drills. Now, the cart
here is a little bit different from being down here
in years past because it's just such a long walk
from that practice field to the locker room that a
lot of times it's easier to sit a player on
that and drive him in there. So I don't know
the specifics yet of what the injury is, but he

(01:23:04):
did leave practice early and they're getting ready to wrap
up right now. But he left practice sitting on the
back of a golf cart after being looked at by
the trainers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
So that that could be dehydration, that could be could
be could be something that would necessitate to call it
a Shamar Stewart and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Correct, which unfortunately, you hate to say this, which unfortunately,
if you're Trey Hendrickson's camp, is what you is what's
going to drive the value up even more? Yeah, desperation, Hey, now,
who's gonna play, right? I mean it is unfortunately, even
if he misses a day or two. Yeah, there's a
lot of reps you guys are missing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
But I mean we started the show yesterday by talking
about him. Yeah, on the long list of players who
have something to prove, Miles Murphy has to prove. Yeah,
that first round pick bust label that you know, you
you are perhaps tempted to attach to me, ain't gonna apply. Correct,
the pass rush fix is gonna come from within from
a guy who's been a part of the team for

(01:24:02):
a couple of years. Miles Murphy didn't do anything last season.
You certainly hope that he looks the part too.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Like we talked the other day yesterday, sure about like
a Marius Mims in front of us. When you see
Miles Murphy, you're like, holy yes, yes, like that guy's
gonna have thirty sacks, yes, speed power. You just hope that.
Obviously it's nothing serious as it pertains to Miles Murphy
at a position where the Bengals can ill afford to

(01:24:28):
have any guys miss.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
A lot of carts out there, a lot of you know,
if you look, there's the injury cart.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Equipment cart, equipment cart.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Mike Brown's got his card over there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
A lot of carts, carts with just copious amounts of
gatorade on them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yeah, a lot of carts. Well, hopefully Miles Murphy is
is okay? It is uh twelve minutes away from twelve o'clock.
We're live from training Camp. A special edition of the A. E.
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(01:25:02):
Painted Body broadcast area, and of course Ray Saint Claire
Roofing giving us our hotline since he three to sixty
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Speaker 8 (01:25:12):
Tom Rot He's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Eight minutes away from noon. It's the ah To on
window Tony and Mo Football Show Live from Bengals training camp.
Practice still happening. Practice, still happening on the field opposite
us since he three sixty starts at noon, stepping away
from the Bengals in the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
World of pro football.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
According to TMZ, Tony Hulk Hogan has passed at the
age of seventy one.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
As a wrestling guy, yeah, this one's a tough one.
So I just read something that, like Jimmy Hart talked
about the other day, that Hawk's health has not been
great and he was at home resting and recovering. That's
a tough one. So Elster.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
As somebody who as an adult has not been a
wrestling guy, I will admit that, and as somebody who
has watched Hulk Hogan's life unfold publicly over the last
ten to fifteen years, and there have been some things
about him that are less than savory. I will say
this as a kid of the eighties and early nineties,
I think for younger folks it might be hard to
articulate like wrestling is huge. WWU wrestling is huge. I

(01:26:14):
think it might be hard to articulate how huge Hulk
Hogan was. In the late nineteen eighties, mid to late
nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties, hosted Saturday Night Live.
He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated like that
is an era where professional wrestling went from something that
was kind of territorial to something national, and the mascot

(01:26:34):
for that, the avatar for that was hul Cogan.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Yeap incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
I'll also say this, that is one of my all
time favorite interviews. We interviewed hult in the Monday Night
with the Bengals played the Broncos. Yeah, Peyton Manning threw
four picks straight, Kirkpatrick had a big pick six that day.
We were approached I think ww Wrestling was going to

(01:26:59):
be at the arena the next week. Yeah, and they're like, hey,
you want somebody under promote it, And I jokingly said like, yeah,
I'll talk to hul Cogan and they're like okay, Yeah.
So Hulk Hogan came on that day and he was terrific,
and I said like can I can I get you
to cut a promo for Peyton Manning who's playing against
the Bengals tonight, and he like slips into like nineteen
eighty seven whole coging and it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Seventy one years old.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Unique, you said, Manning through four picks a night game. Yeah,
so that does happen. It does happen. We still don't
hold him to that to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Yeah, it was one of the superable Knights ever. Do
you see what the Big Twelves rolling out to They're
matching up ww's Friday night SmackDown.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Yeah with cities.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Yeah, so you know, maybe a couple of these Friday
night trips for you and I we head to the arena,
take in some SmackDown.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
To watch wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
Yep, I mean we wouldn't watch the hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
We did. We saw a lightning game. Tarn took me
to wrestling a couple of years ago. Remember, after about
forty five minutes, I'm like, Buddy, I guy, I remember,
sorry you were there. Like this is if you got
the nine year old version of me, I'd be all
about this mid forties version. But anyway, Holcoke can pass
away at the age of seventy one. According to TMZ.

(01:28:08):
It's five minutes away from twelve o'clock. Since he three
sixty is coming up at noon. We are broadcasting from
Bengals training camp. I would they've turned the clock off,
but they're still going.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
This is insane that you want to talk about training
camp though. Yeah, this is this is a normal productice
they're trying.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
I think we're we're trying field goals.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
No Macpherson doesn't have his shoes on today. I think
they might be trying that fake punt.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Fake punt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
They're gonna try what the long snappers and Ryan Rico
just worked on and involved the rest of the team.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
They might be trying the fake punt.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
All right, well we'll see if.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
You know, it's getting close to wrapping up when the
folks down here working start to pass the sharpies out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
My guy here has two fistfuls. He might have twenty
sharpies in both of his hands. Yeah, he is ready
to go.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
As soon as that horn blows, those things are about
to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
The way we have quickly mentioned this, we watched camp
ended and we saw, you know, guys like t Higgins
and Jamar Chase signing. I don't think I don't think
a fan left here yesterday without an Andre Yoshi autograph.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
I've never and I guess one thing to sign, Yeah,
it's another thing to sign and actually talk stay and
talk yeah to the people, like he was actually signing
and like not just moving on the next one, but
talking to the fans as well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
Which again, these fans, they stand in lines, they wait, Yeah,
they come in. Yeah, and uh, at least for his stance,
they were able to take something away yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
All Right, we are broadcasting from Bengals training camp. It
will continue with Sincy three sixty, the A and W
get lunch today Tony and Mo Football Show. You know
we we had uh our our door desk driver. Yeah,
went over to the Holy Grail for us. Yeah, picked
us up.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
Now Turkey Bacon Round coming up today on Cinty three sixty.
You're gonna hang around for a while a little bit.
Austin's gonna be here. Yeah, and uh, after practice today,
Jamar Chase is speaking, so will air some Jamar Chase today.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
Excited to hear that. Alright, A E.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
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