The Tony and Mo Football Show LIVE from Bengals Training Camp -- 8/15/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Long awaited ruling in the signs stealing case connected to
former football staff for Condor Stallions. Michigan head coach Jerona
Moore is expected to be suspended at least two games
this upcoming season for deleting a thread of fifty two
messages with Stallions. The university has asked for that suspension
to be served during the third and fourth games of
the season versus Central Michigan and at Nebraska. The NL

(00:20):
East leading Phillies will utilize a six man rotation beginning
this weekend when right hander Aaron Nola returns from the
injured list.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
He's been out three months with a right ankle.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Screen manager Rob Thompson not sure how long he'll use
that six man rotation. Phil starters lead the majors with
six hundred and eighty seven and a third innings pitched.
The MLB leading Brewers tonight seek a thirteenth consecutive win
when they take on the Reds.

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Clinton.

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Right there is Clinton Yank.

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Are people like Clinton Yates?

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Let's first begin by saying, good daty a friend, Clinton H.

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This is Clinton and Friends on ESPN Radio and on
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Speaker 12 (01:56):
Kiddos, you're listening to Clinton Friends on ESPN Radio, the
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course on watch ESPN, which is still on summer break
for a couple of weeks now. Ryan Matt Lack is
on the con and Cam is on the board, a
slightly different configuration than usual. Devin is on vacation and honestly,

(02:21):
we didn't probably spend enough time with this yesterday, but
Steele is apparently moving to a different show after we
come back for the fall breaks. So what you have
heard of James Steele and his excellent contributions to the program.
We salute him quite a bit, and he will be
in a different time slot, so we love Steele. Stee's
always going to be around, but most importantly, Matt lax back,

(02:43):
what's up to you?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Congratulations?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
How you been?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Thank you been great? Been tired, but been awesome, and
it's awesome to be back.

Speaker 12 (02:50):
Is this your first gig with a microphone in front
of you since you got back?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Or what have you done since you returned to work?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
It is?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, I've done just a few other roles here on
different show, was running the board as such, but this
is the first time in front of a mic, so
it's gonna might take a few times.

Speaker 12 (03:06):
You heard the thing we talked about already happened in
the show behind the show For those of you who
don't realize, Matt like still trying to get his his
hands and feet back after you know, bringing some new
hands and feet into the world. Speaking of which, tell
us a little bit about that. How's that going? If
you don't mean as much as you want to get into.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, no, I'm very happy to announce that I have
a son now. His name is Miles. His mother, Danielle,
was fantastic. Thank you very much, thank you, thank you,
thank you. I did nothing. Yeah, my mother fantastic work.
Absolute nail gun as I like to say in the
delivery room. Really brought the toughness.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I was impressed with the performance. And Miles has been
doing great. It's a month and a half at this point,
starting to pack on the pounds, get a little weight.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Hope, hope to have him on the ice soon. So
y soon. Everything's good the homestead.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
We're very fortunate and very happy and got a lot
of support from fam as well as co workers throughout
the whole time. So it's uh, yeah, all right, it's uh.
It's nice to be back though. I actually I thought
it was gonna be a little tricky getting on campus
and getting my feet settle and all that. But uh,
it's been really nice to get back here and get
into the swing of things.

Speaker 12 (04:16):
Good to know Cam you're feeling all right over there
on the board. It's been a watsince we saw you.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh yeah, I'm chilling over here.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
I'm feeling good.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
He's carrying us today.

Speaker 12 (04:23):
Clinton, He's definitely, I mean, he's he's done this show before,
so he is technically not that he's got seniority over
you by any stretch, but he's been here more recently,
so I know that he's got to come in. Clinton
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Speaker 2 (04:44):
We're not parsing words, hiding from the headlines.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
Read all about it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Or saving the best for later. I come time for
the lead, talk about the burting. I'm flinting the friends.

Speaker 12 (05:02):
So those of you who know me know that I'm
a big baseball fan at a lot of levels. Right now,
we've got kids in Williams Support running around trying to
do their best to win the Little League World Series.
We've also got Major League Baseball getting just out of
the dog days kind of into the contender days. And
one of the interesting storylines that Matt Lack presented me
with yesterday was that of what's happening with a couple

(05:25):
big market teams if you look around the major leagues
right now. And the reason why this was this did
intrigue me quite a bit is that and Ryan didn't
know this when he asked me, but a couple of weeks,
about a week ago, I sort of texted around to
a lot of my guys, guys I know from baseball coaches, players,
you know, other reporters, and I just asked them and

(05:46):
I said, who do you think is gonna win the
World Series?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And like just kind of on a basic question level.

Speaker 12 (05:52):
And the replies were so varied and detailed that I
was like, you know, to me, that's the sign of
a pretty good baseball season at that point. If in
mid August nobody has any real, super convicted belief as
to who they believe is going to win the World Series,
that to me is fascinating. So let's take a look

(06:14):
at it. In the major markets of America, hasn't gone
so well. We'll start here in New York with the Mets.
I mean, the Mets are one to nine in their
last ten, one and nine in their last ten. This
is not what we want, not what we want at
all if we're Mets fans. The Dodgers, by the way,
are four and six in their last ten. They got
swept by the Halos, the dreaded lame Crosstown Halos, as

(06:39):
many Dodgers fans like to refer to them as that's
not great either.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
The Yankees are four and six in their last ten.
They don't look great. They fallen a third in the
Al East. I mean, look, you can say what you.

Speaker 12 (06:54):
Like about about what these big market teams bring to
the table, but would say that there are major questions
that are all differing in variety for each of them.
Now for the Mets, I think the Mets probably have
the largest hill to climb, quite frankly, obviously, because the
Dodgers and the Yankees were in the World Series last year.

(07:15):
The Mets played a good playoff series last year, but
ran into the Dodgers and they just they just they
couldn't deal with their pitching. Let's say what Carlos Mendez
that the Mets manager, had to say on what's going
on with the team most recently.

Speaker 13 (07:28):
We're not playing well, but too much talent. You know,
we're going through a very tough time right now. But
you know, there's a lot of good players there and
we just gotta we gotta, we gotta get through this.
We can't be looking at the standing. You know, we're
not where we at. We haven't played well but we're

(07:49):
still pretty much riding in the think of things. So
we just we we got to find a way.

Speaker 12 (07:56):
When you get down into the details about what's going
on with the Mets, it's bad. Then those who can
say what he won about just sort of, oh, it's bad.
We got to figure it out. But like, these are
the types of things that you don't want happening right now.
Seven straight when scoring first, they've lost. That's the longest
streak in the BIGS this season and the longest streak
from the team in twenty fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Sin's oh nine the Mets of law.

Speaker 12 (08:21):
Their tenth loss after holding a lead in the game
since the All Star Break is the most in Major
League Baseball. The San Francisco Giants are out there with nine,
and they're two and thirteen and their last fifteen that's
the worst record in the Big since July twenty eighth
and the team's worst fifteen game span since twenty eighteen.
You leave the Reds by three and a half for

(08:42):
an n A wildcard spot like that team last year
probably punched above its weight. New York did, but they
still were extremely talented, and you kind of got the
idea that when you add who they added. You should
be to keep it together and maybe have some leadership,
but it just kind of feels like there's something that's

(09:03):
not quite right there.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
The Dodgers, on the other hand.

Speaker 12 (09:09):
Zero in six against not just the Halos, but the
Brewers as well.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
And why does that matter? Because the Brewers are the
hottest team in baseball.

Speaker 12 (09:20):
And the Brewers are a kind of team that if
you haven't beaten them on a season and you catch
them in the way that they're playing baseball right now.
I'm not saying that the Brewers are going to go
out of the way the World Series, but you do
not want to see a team that knows how to
compete the way that they do in the first round.
And considering that the Dodgers are not in first place,

(09:44):
something that hasn't happened since April twenty seventh, this team
was up by nearly nine games last month, so that
is a slide and a half. You gotta be kind
of thinking about that. I know Dodgers fans are very confident,
and that makes a lot of sense. The roster is
probably the best constructed roster in the history of the
major leagues on some level. Show Hay provides that kind

(10:07):
of thing, but Mookie is struggling. The Mookie situation hasn't
quite worked itself out.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 12 (10:14):
There's a lot of people that think that he should
be playing a different position, for amount of other people
who think that he should be at a different point
in the lineup, pretty late in the season for those
to be the concerns of the fan base, But that's
just me.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
The Yankees, on.

Speaker 12 (10:30):
The other hand, they're holding onto that al wild College spot,
but it's kind of more about the way the baseball
has been played for them that's been real problematic for me.
The kicking the ball around and the making the wrong decisions,
the bases to go to, etc. That's the kind of

(10:50):
stuff that just kills me as a baseball fan. Like
it's one thing to lose games. It's one thing to
have poor performances. It's quite another to simply not be
playing baseball the way you're supposed to be playing baseball
at the major league level and losing games as a result.
Matt Like, what were we gonna say about the Brewers season?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, I was just thinking about this because I was
producing last year the games between the Mets and the Brewers,
and that was such a crazy playoff because the Brewers
were in a real position to advance and the Mets
came boring back. Of course that magical Alonzo home run,
and then the Brewers get off to a really slow
start in the spring while the Mets were just completely hot,

(11:34):
and it's completely flipped around, and it's so funny to
see momentum carrying different ways from the postseason to the
regular season. And then you know this, haven't watched so
much baseball. It's such a marathon that at times you
almost want to get off to a slow start so
that you're peaking at the right time near the end
of the season. My question for you is, with the

(11:54):
Brewers playing so well right now, is it still under
the category of peaking too early?

Speaker 12 (12:00):
Like would you know, just I see what you're saying,
but that's not how I look at it. I don't
The season is long enough that I don't know how
realistic it is to be worried about what sort of
how you peak. I mean, I think the thing for
the Brewers is they know how to win, and that's that.
And because they're playing consistent, they're playing consistent type of baseball.

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It's not as if all of a sudden, they've gotten
some random hot streak where everybody's hitting homers or whatever. Now,
this is a team that manufacturers runs. This is a
team that has great arms, and this is a team
that runs the base as well and plays good defense,
that that plays on any level at any time. The
worst case scenario in that circumstance is that, for whatever reason,

(12:42):
you run into a team that's got better pitching and
hotter hitting. But I'll take my chances playing Brewers baseball
as in that style.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Of play any any any time of the week.

Speaker 12 (12:50):
In the playoffs, the Yankees learned that less than the
hardway last year, all of a sudden, you can't play
fundamental baseball, and you don't have a chance kicking balls
in the dirt at third base, dropping balls in center field,
not covering first.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Base on pfps.

Speaker 12 (13:07):
You don't need outstanding performances to beat teams that aren't
able to do that. And that's where I think the
Brewers have a chance. Is their consistency on the diamond
is going to really keep them in things. Let's see
what Buster Only had to say about the Yankees and
whether or not they're in better shape than their crosstown compatriots.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Actually think that right now, the Mets are the better team,
but I think they're more and they're in more trouble
than the Yankees are because they're in the National League,
which is just a much tougher league. I've never seen
such disparity between the two leagues. So you have the
Mets now fighting for a wildcard spot against the Dodgers
and the Cubs and the Cincinnati Reds, you know, led

(13:46):
by Terry Francona, who's seams always get better in the
second half. And on the other hand, you've got the
Yankees in the American League, which is so much easier,
and guys, they have the softest thinning starts that I've
ever seen. So I think that between the schedule and
how much easier it is in the American League, I
the Yankees find their way to the playoffs and the

(14:08):
Mets are in trouble.

Speaker 12 (14:10):
The Mets got a little bit of a hill to climb.
The Bravos are difficult in their division, the Dodgers are
obviously doing things, and like we said before, the Brewers
are the hottest team in baseball. It's not gonna be
easy for them. Let's hear the call from six eighty
to fan last night of them going down Ted landa.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
One oh pitch and he swings and it's one deep
down the right field line, towards the corner that is
off of the wall. On the fly, Harris takes off.
Mett's just now hit the cutoff man. That's gonna give
the Braves the lead. It's a double by Ozzie. That's
his third big maje it tonight, and it gives the
Braves a lead here in the eighth inning has its
four to three Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He just cooked that one off the wall and right veel.

Speaker 12 (14:55):
That's courtesy six eighty the fan studio and at radio station.
I know well because that's where we did this from
during the All Star breaks. So I want to thank
them quite a bit. Matt Lack, why did you want
that highlight to be played? Why don't you remind the people.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
What's that?

Speaker 12 (15:09):
Why did you want that highlight to be played? Why
don't you remind the people of what was going on
with the recreational.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
For the second second night in a row. I went
to bed thinking to myself, Ryan, you did it again.
You called the Mets finally turning things around. I thought
I had it two nights ago when they're up six
to nothing. That was even a tougher pill to swallow.
And then last night I looked at the score, saw
the Lindor home run. I said, all right, we're in

(15:35):
good shape. We finally nailed it. I'm big on trying
to hit the moment in which teams turn it around,
catch vegas, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Rarely happens.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
But I went to bet thinking Ryan, you genius, and
woke up thinking, Ryan, you idiot.

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Speaker 6 (23:07):
It is twenty one minutes in. Welcome back. Do we
just want to do the whole fart segment again?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
We can?

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Offensive line, man, I'm interested to see today a big day.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
If you missed the first twenty minutes of the show.
It was really really good.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
It probably was our best twenty one minute tech training came.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
It was. It was terrific. I don't know if because
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able to podcast it, but man, it was. It was
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as what Clinton Company had.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
But boy, it almost made me just want to kind
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Speaker 4 (23:52):
We'll top that first twenty one. I thank our crack
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Oh man, you know we were just talking about this
off here. It's a big day in sports. Austin's really
excited to see because the NCAA is I guess, is
gonna rule on the Connor Stallions Michigan signs stealing thing. Yep,

(24:15):
what should happen?

Speaker 6 (24:19):
I think ultimately with the allegations made, I think, ultimately
and I say, this is probably one of the bigger
Ohio state haters out there. Although I appreciate Cardell Jones
and everything he donated for the fundraiser. They should have
to vacate wins. I don't think there's any chance they
vacate any wins. They'll probably just get some like slap
on the wrist. Fine, poor Charon Moore, man, I.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Think Sharon Moore deserves or Sharon Moore he's facing a
Level two charge for deleting the text messages. I think
there should be some sort of punishment there. I think
the idea of vacating wins and championships is stupid. Look,
Louisville won the twenty thirteen.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Now what would you say if all of a sudden
they came back and they vacated that that Sugar Bowl
for Florida and O nine? Would you say, Okay, that's
a win twelve and zero? Yeah, sure, okay, that's all
I needed to know.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
How about you? I think I think the idea of
vacating wins is stupid. The wins happened. If you want
to say they're tainted. If look, as fans, we're allowed
to apply context to every result in every game in
every sport. So if you want to believe, look, Michigan
won the title, but it's tainted to because of the
sign stealing scandal. There's validity to that if you want

(25:29):
to believe the Astros won the World Series in twenty seventeen,
but it's tainted to because of their sign stealing scandal. Fine,
what we're allowed to apply context to it? Let us
do that. There was no champion that you come on? Yeah,
like it now if you want to punish some of
the particulars involved who are still working in college athletics, Okay, yeah,

(25:52):
what do you expect them to do to Jim Harbaugh?
I think Jim Harbaugh cares.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
I don't think he's worried about it today. He's got
bigger problems. Yeah, gotta figure out a.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Way to figure out a way to make up for
the absence of Rashaun Slater. Yeah, Rashaun Slater fixed that
defense and win with Justin Herbert.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
We do have a couple updates today. Yes, Miles Murphy
is not out here again. According to our guy, Jay Morrison,
cam Sample is back to practice, Orlando Brown Jr. Is
back to practice. Geno Stone went through stretching today, which
is obviously a good sign sign a rehab field. Jermaine Burton,
Mike Kasiki, Devin Cochrane, Cedric Johnson. So at this point,

(26:28):
Miles Murphy's not even out here on the practice field
on not even on the rehab field. Trey Hendrickson is
he's over there. He was doing some work and some
individual drills with some of the players, not doing football work,
but talking.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
To some of the players.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
But yeah, we our campaign yesterday we talked about Miles Murphy,
and I think that is a very interesting thing going
forward because when we talked about the D line this year,
he always got lumped in Shamar Stewart, Trey Hendrickson, which
hopefully Joseph A signed. Miles Murphy was kind of the
group that you always talk about. Hey, this looks like

(27:01):
looks like a herd of cattle going by right now.
This is like looking at a.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Farm serving free food over there is what's going on?

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Wow, this is there's free food. Skinny's at first in line. Really,
this is just a parade of people. Yeah, got Kelsey Conway.
Where do you think they all got with each other? Like, Hey,
we're gonna walk together now?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I think so. I think that this is herd mentality, right,
it is, They're all following.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Here's the thing, somebody be a leader here.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
They know if they walk by individually, yeah, they're gonna
get roast snipe season. Let's go. So if we if
we all walk together, they can't roast us all.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
It's like it's almost like that, you know, with a gazelle.
Sometimes one of them is gonna get picked off behind,
but not all of them.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Let's just hope it's not me. I think that's exactly
what happened. So many media members have walked past here
and they're they're right for the picking. Yeah, like twelve
of them just saw sorry, skinny, Yeah, you know what,
they can't pick us on all of us.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
That also tells me that there's not gonna be a
lot of action going on the field we're on right now.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Now, the field that we're on, we're next to is
virtually empty. Anyway, we'll see. We got to get a
break in and then let's talk about Connor Orsi, who
has predicted a unfortunately familiar script for the Bengals. We'll
get to that when we come back. It's the Ae
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I am back today to three oh five on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Connor Orr of SI dot com has predicted
the outcome of every NFL game this season.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
What do you think that's a fun task.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I think it would be really hard. Yeah, every game,
Like you have to acknowledge.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
We're not even a cutdown day yet, right, you.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Know, injuries, the way the season unfolds.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
It's hard to do. But the folks that support, like Connor,
we need this piece. He's like, well, I don't know
who's gonna be on the team.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yet, so he has the Bengals going ten and seven, okay,
which should be good enough to make the postseason. He
has Baltimore finishing at twelve and five and winning the
AFC North. But he's got the Bengals following a very
familiar script, starting one in four, wow, and then rallying
to finish ten and seven, losing the first game to

(29:49):
the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
It's kind of along the same lines of our guy Austin.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah. He said one in three, yeah, So I guess
here's here's my question. Let's say they start one four,
they still go ten and seven, they still make the playoffs,
but they really don't sniff the Super Bowl? Then what then?
What as it relates? And and by the way, and
you've got it pulled up here. He has them losing

(30:14):
to the Browns, beating the Jags, and then taking losses
on the road to Minnesota at Denver and losing at
home to Detroit. So one and four. So there have
been seasons like twenty twenty two where they go twelve
and four make the AFC Championship Game, but started to two.
And that's when we started to talk about how they've
got to get off to faster starts. If they start

(30:35):
one and four, or if they start slow, Let's say
it's oh to two, then what then what as it relates?

Speaker 6 (30:42):
I mean, say oh and two if they start and
lose at Cleveland in Week one against a team who
is projected to have the least amount of wins in
the NFL, right, and how are you a serious contender?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
That's a massive upset. But let but then let's say
they still go ten and seven. When we start talking
about the twenty twenty six Bengals, one of the themes
is gonna be for hell, what do they do to
figure out a way to win the opener for the
first time since twenty twenty one?

Speaker 7 (31:06):
What is?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Then? What? Then? What do you do? You play the
guys and it's every minute of the preseason, what do
you do.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
If they start one and four? I couldn't imagine the
temperature on Zach Taylor seat, right, That's that to me
is what it is. And not only this. If you're
going off what Connor or has here, you're one and
four and you're hoping to go to Green Bay and
now get a win, I mean that would be disaster, right,
that would be I mean, so here, I'll spin this
to a conversation I had with Austin yesterday on CINT

(31:32):
three sixty. Evan Cohen and the folks yesterday morning were
talking about championship or bust mentality.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
When you say folks, you mean like Chris Canty, Yeah, Chris,
This only person you ever hear on that show?

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah, I don't, but I usually don't even acknowledge Chris.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I mean if you were to do like k like
a pie chart of who talks most on that, it
is a lot of him, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
But the conversation was around championship or bust mentality in sports,
and they use the example like the Boston Celtics when
they won it, that felt like championship or bust from
Missoula in Boston. Dave robertson Dodgers felt like you better
win it, or that's a that's a a bad season,
it's a disappointing season. They listed three teams in their

(32:18):
opinion in the NFL that going into this year a
super Bowl or bust. Do you have any idea who
they would have listed? Buffalo, Buffalo, Nope, Baltimore, they said, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City Now I think and Austin made the point yesterday.
If you're Kansas City, that's just how that's how you're
built nowt Okay, but what does bust mean? Disappointing season?

Speaker 4 (32:38):
But like to me, super Bowler, bust means if you
don't win it, there's some fallout.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
They they mentioned with So if let's say Buffalo trips
up again, is that it for Sean McDermott might be
to say, hey, got us there can't get over the hub. Yeah,
I can kind of see it. I see it with
with Baltimore because of everything they've done. It feels like
they've pushed everything in with the moves they've made. Yeah,

(33:06):
what I want to know for Cincinnati, what does it
take or what would it take in your opinion to
happen in an offseason to go into a season and say, man,
this is super Bowl or bust in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I would have to look at the roster and feel
like there were very few holes, which we don't have
right now. Right, I mean, the goal is the super Bowl,
and when you have Burrow and company, you feel like
you can do that. But I don't know what would
it take to sit here today and you say, man,
it's super Bowl or bust for the Bengals. I'd have
to have more faith in one side of the ball.

(33:37):
I'd have to have more I'd have to have more
faith in multiple position groups. You know, go back to
go back to twenty fifteen. Disappointing outcome in the postseason,
but we went into that year going okay, Number one,
they have to win a playoff game at some point.
They lost each of the previous four years. But also

(33:57):
you looked at that team and they're like, you know what,
this is a great roster and it was. Man, you know,
nobody wants to remember that because we just focus on
how they lost. Great offensive line, second best scoring defense
in the NFL. Skill dudes, quality quarterback, not a great one.
It might not have been championship or bust because they
hadn't won a playoff game, but there was You looked

(34:18):
at that team and you're like, dude, this is an
upper echelon roster. Twenty twenty two I kind of felt
that way, like, all right, they have probably fixed the
offensive line. It can't be any worse than the year before.
Burrow's only going to get better year three. Uh, He's
not coming off a knee surgery. Like they have a
good roster they had come this close to the year before,
it kind of felt like the expectation again, like there's

(34:40):
I think there's two ways of putting it. And this
is all semantics to me, playoffs or bust means if
it's bust, there's fallout. Super Bowl or bust to means
to me means if you don't win it, there's fallout.
There's that, and then there's legitimate super Bowl expectations. Yeah,
I don't I think it's Kansas City because I don't

(35:00):
think of.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Kansas City loses. I don't think you're like reach gone
or they're done.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
And I also feel like that's Detroit now. I know
it's really hard to replace both coordinators. At the same time,
look how good they've been the last couple of years.
It has felt like everything has been building toward twenty
twenty five, where you look at that team, the way
it's constructed, the success they've had, some of the postseason failures,
and you go championship expectation. I think the same in Buffalo.
I think the same in Baltimore. I don't think you

(35:25):
say it here. I do think you go playoffs or
bust because I think it's I think the Cincinnati Bengals
has an organization are going to have a really hard
time selling folks, not that they care on Zach Taylor.
If Joe Burrow plays seventeen games, plays to his normal level,
and they're on the outside looking in again.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
What.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
So if say, let's say Baltimore falls short in the
same fashion they've fallen in the last couple of years,
does that mean Harball's job is in jeopardy? The only
team I could see who's job may be in jeopardy.
I think mcdermotch could be in jeopardy if they follow
the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Again, here's the one that I think is interesting, Tomlin.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, but is it super bowler bust in Pittsburgh or
is it win a playoff game or bust.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
If you win a playoff game? But but, as Austin
pointed out, like is that what you've become if you're Pittsburgh. Maybe,
But well, let's talk about Baltimore for a second, Like
they're a different version of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers
have had three head coaches in my lifetime. The Ravens
have had two this century. Yeah, so I mean not
an organization that typically goes you didn't do this, so

(36:33):
you're out.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Yeah, and it doesn't feel as well like that they
are all in and it's just this year. Like I
also equate that to super Bowler bus like, hey, our
roster's built, but after this year, we've got so many
free agents that we're not going to be here again.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Right.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Baltimore is still young, Lamar is young.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
But the but with Baltimore now, the difference is they
have a quarterback. You know, for years it was all right,
you know, Flacca was very good, but it's like, do
they have one of the uppercross dudes For the most part, No,
they went it into that so I guess he buys
Harball a ton of time. I think when you have
like Josh Allen, Yeah, and if you don't win with
Josh Allen again, you have to look at the coach

(37:09):
and go, man, you got us here. You've done so
many good things. But we can't waste what we have, yeah,
and we can't waste the investment we have. We have
to find somebody else. I wonder if that dynamic whatever
be in play with the Baltimore Ravens, who do have
again a very good roster. But we've said that now
for years.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
It feels like maybe a team that is on the
backside of that now, San Francisco. Yeah, it felt like
because they were sniffing and they were so close that
it felt like, man, you got to win it this year,
right because now all of a sudden, no one's talking
about him. They just had to pay Party a ton
of money. So this whole allure of built this super
roster around Party is now gone. Right Now, it's harder
to navigate a roster. Any guess who The one NFC

(37:48):
team that they they tabbed was Philly.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Nope, can you say that for a team that won
it last year in Philly? You can? Okay, La, Yeah,
rams that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
It feels like a lot uncertainty with Stafford McVeigh.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
But I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
I couldn't find another NFC team that I would put
that label on. It's not Washington.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
No.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
I don't think it's Green Bay because I don't think
you believe they're there yet. Tampa's got some expectations, but
I don't know if they're Super Bowl expectations. Yeah, and
you mentioned Detroit.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Detroit could very well. NFC feels like how we've talked
about the AFC and how we talk about the AFC
now where there's like a Big three, yeah, or maybe
a big four if you want to include LA I.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Would say Philly, Washington, Detroit.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Detroit, and then we'll we'll put the Rams in it.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah, And I think Tampa is not I think I
think Tampa's gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yes, I like skill dudes.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
I think Mecca's gonna I like him for Rookie of
the Year right in that offense. But there are four
or five teams. I think that you've viewed the NFC
that it's like it's got to be one of them.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
So three quick thoughts on on this one. The Chiefs
and I know we've talked about this. It feels like
the variance of possibilities is wider than it's been in
the Mahomes where, Yes, it would be unsurprising if they
won the whole thing, and I think it would be
unsurprising if they finished in third place and missed the postseason.
Like if they walk the same tightrope as they did

(39:10):
last year. Now, I do think they have fixed their
offensive line issues, but if they walk the same tightrope
they did last year, at some point they're gonna fall
off at the same time, you would be unsurprised if
they won the whole thing. So there's that. I think
when it comes to I think this team is playoffs
or bust, because I think then you genuinely Bengals, I
do not know how you look at them as right

(39:32):
now and maybe this changes in a month and a half.
How do you look at them right now and go
that team is a bona fide title contender, Lombardi contender. Again,
the first four or five games may give us enough
information that we change our mind. The Pittsburgh thing, you're
right is, like is the standard there now? Just win
a playoff game? But like the reality is it has

(39:52):
been forever since they won a postseason game. The Steelers brand,
which is we punch you in the face. They got
punched in the face by Baltimore last year. Mike Tomlin,
you could say he's been coaching with one hand, one
arm tied behind his back because of the quarterback situation.
They went out and got Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers maybe
a thousand years old. But you know what, from their standpoint,
all right, Mike, we're giving you a future Hall of Famer.

(40:13):
I think it will be really, really interesting there if
they don't make the postseason or if they make the postseason,
but they're as non competitive as they have been in
the postseason in recent years. For what it's worth.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Connor Orr has the Steelers going nine to.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Eight, which sounds about right to me.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Also, if you want to talk about laughable, he has
the Browns beating the Bengals in Week one and then
finishing two and fifteen.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Uh huh. Can you imagine that to me? I don't.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
I'm not even saying three games in. If you start
zero to one, I mean that you want to talk
about pressure, then you start the Typheron Jacksonville new coach
Trevor Lawrence Brian Thomas Jr.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Well, then it becomes the Trey Hedgeon thing being a distraction.
Did that keep them? Ye? You know every year they
have a training camp distraction. Every year they start owing
to one. But like my original question is, let's say
they do start slowly again. Whatever that looks like, oh
and one, one and two, one in four, whatever that
looks like, then what's your plan? Because this year they've

(41:17):
obviously done a total makeover. As it relates to the
training camp, OTA's mini camp in the preseason. What do
you do next year? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:24):
And what what would the oh to one look like?

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (41:27):
Offense stumbles out of the gate, Burrough gets sacked a
bunch or right, they get beat thirty five thirty and
the defense gives up that to Cleveland. And now it
becomes holy moly, like what would the what would the
loss look like? I think would tell a lot as well.

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(42:07):
a little action on the field right in front of
his tone.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
Yeah, this is one on ones, MO. This is an
exciting time here.

Speaker 15 (42:13):
Now.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
The only unfortunate part about the one on ones that
we are witnessing is we get the tight ends versus
the linebackers and safeties. Right, and if you wonder how
much the Bengals value this there's only one quarterback in
this drill, and that's Peyton Thorne.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
He is not helping himself.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
On the other side of the field, opposite of where
we're at, we are getting wide receiver dB one on ones,
which is always one of my favorite drills of the
camp because there's no offensive defensive line, there's no seven
on seven. You really have to make a throw to
one player. Yeah, and I'm all about that now. A

(42:56):
little bit further down from us is offensive line defense
line one on one. You can see where you're standing
to Marius Mims is limping a little bit right now
with his helmet off. Yeah, they're going through some one
on one stuff, so, uh, he's kind of talking through.
I don't know if that's with a trainer, that's just
with an assistant coach. We can't really see where we're at,
but he's got a little bit of a limp right now.

(43:17):
But a majority of the action, unfortunately, we're being shielded
to the offensive line, defensive line one on ones and
the wide receiver dB one on.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
But I'll tell you what you can tell that this
drill right in front of us here is really important.
With the tight ends and the linebackers. Because Mike Brown
is watching intently and he is standing up. He's not
sitting on his cart.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Mike Brown, Yes, he wants a front row seat to
what we're seeing.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
For Peyton Thorn.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
Well, this is a big day. Look at this double move.
Oh my goodness, Demetrius Knight not great bites on the
double move, the pump fake there by Peyton Thorn drew
sample with an unbelievable out and up and they just
hit it back to bat. Oh boy, back to back.
Out and ups have been hit against the Bengals linebacker corps.

(44:03):
Hes Peyton Thorn making a late push now for what
roster spot somewhere else?

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Are they even filming this for him? Mike Brown. Mike
Brown is taking note.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
I think someone's gonna call into Mike like, hey, what
do you think about Peyton Thorn.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
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What have we got going on?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
Ton Well, right now, Mo, we just saw something we
haven't seen in quite some time. Borrow just threw the
ball by forty yards in the air to Andrey Yoshivash
right down the seam for a nice completion. They are
going more unscripted right now. One thing we noticed over
the break in one on ones A Marius Mims was
limping a little bit after a rep little ginger. He
is not in there right now with the starting offensive

(46:17):
line in this drill. I believe it's Cody Ford that's
in there in his place. What we're paying attention to
play number one deep ball down the seam, something we
saw zero of yeh on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
It goes over the top, pretty ball, Andrey Yoshivas in stride. U.
You're exactly right. That's maybe what stood out more than
anything else during the practice we were at on Wednesday
is the lack of explosive plays downfield.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
It looks like the first two plays they've run in
their unscripted drill today have had more urgency, yes, and intensity,
more pep than everything we saw combined on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
It looked to me on those two plays with Chase
Brown scoring there, it looked to me like on those
two plays like the offense was determined to make a
bit of a statement.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, it felt like an offense that got embarrassed on
Wednesday and said, Okay, yep, let's do this.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Uh so, it's a gorgeous morning here. By the way,
we don't have much of a bridge brigade, but it
looks like we do. Have somebody sitting on what looks
like a vehicle on the bridge watching practice.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Yeah, incredible, b Yov.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
With a park train behind him. That's the guy who's
driving the train.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
I know, what a backdrop? What a sight here I got?
We got laps Laps in a golf cart out here,
Mike Brown's in a golf cart.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Really the who's who today down here? It sure is?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
This is by the way, if you're keeping track, they
are going with the twos now. This is Jake Browning
back in with the twos. He did not take a
rep with the twos on Wednesday, but he is in
there starting this first drive with the twos.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Of an unscripted period. Now, I would like to see
Browning play more capably on Monday. I am you know,
it's it's not worth losing your mind over your backup
quarterback having a shaky performance against Philadelphia. But but it
was notable. Yeah, And he looked like in that game
the way I thought he was gonna look when he
actually had a chance to play in regular season games. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
And what you don't want to do if you are
in that situation as a backup has turned the ball over. Yeah,
and he had one, He could have had two or three.
So something I think to keep an eye on. He's
gonna face his first third and probably about six or
seven here, so see how he manages it. Defense is
showing pressure.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
And I'll tell you one of the things I'm looking
for today. You know, we talked about the offensive line
and Jadamar Stewart and as Jake Browning is flushed out
of the pocket, runs out of bounds. But one of
the things that we saw a lot of on Wednesday
were the penalties, the pre snap stuff. We saw fall starts,
we saw a delay of game penalties. I'd like to

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watch today's workout and see none of those Now we
don't have an officiating crew here today, so those things
maybe aren't going to be monitored nearly as closely.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
It looks like Darren Simon, Yeah, Darren Simmons a spot
in the ball.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Okay, Well, you know, we'll see very very That was
part of it, and it's part of why Joe was
upset after the Cleveland after the Philadelphia game as well.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Yeah, that was a very favorable ball placement for Jake Brown,
who had probably been sacked and they gave him the scramble.
They do lose about three yards on the first down
on a screen, So yeah. I do like the fact
though that the last two days we've seen has been
mostly all unscripted uh huh, because it does just take

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away and I don't know if that's something that kind
of bit him a little bit against Philly because we
had talked about the defense being well. But there's even
clips of like Orlando Brown Junior talking about Demetrius Knight
on a video the Bengals released about where they're playing
the script. They're playing the script too much sometimes if
you get caught in that and you're so worried about

(49:55):
knowing what they're gonna do already. Then you don't get
to react and make plays in the moment, right, And
it certainly didn't look like they reacted well against Philly,
and they have not so far reacted well today.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
No, not, not, not in the least. So perhaps today
will be the day where we talk about the explosiveness
of the office. Third and twelve. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Draw check down, Tos Brooks.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
No, give my man Charlie Jones a chance here. Okay?
I like that he's coming out wide.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Yeah, they got him lined up into the boundary by himself, right,
priestnot motion man's own indicator for Jake Browning.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Jake back to throw clean pocket time downfield. Whoa Charlie Jones.
Really nice catch by my guy, Charlie Jones. This man
beautiful diving grass. Ask and you shall receive. Maybe I
should call plays, Tony. It's not a good sign when
on the field right in front of us they're picking
up the pilots. Well, I don't think we're getting much
action here today for the rest of the pretty much

(50:56):
a statement to us that our front row seat for
today's workout expired. Always good when they're collecting that, all right,
So but we can still we can still look in
a distance.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
And surely they gave him a catch there on that
looked clean to me.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, I didn't see anybody make the incomplete sign.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Yeah, because now we were back to the to the ones.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Here, Joe Burrow back quarterback in the gun.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Drew Sample back there in the backfield with him. Yeah,
pass protection here, maybe hand the ball off to Drew
Sample drawl. No one sees that coming.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I don't know if on first and ten that's my
favorite play, but you know whatever, not something against the defense.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
You'd rather just see that pass the Jamar chase scene.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Number one, catch the pass in traffic that he just caught.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
Yeah, so they did change that a little bit. They
started that series with about a second and twelve. Okay,
so starting series with a little bit different scenario here.
So pre snat penalty, lose yardage on first down. Now
let's take it from there and try to run out
the script. So you pick up about half of it there.
You give yourself a third manageable but instead of running
a true first and ten, put their back against the

(52:04):
wall a little bit. Second twelve, second thirteen, see if
you can find a way to get half back and
then get a first down on third down.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Based on what we saw on Wednesday, it makes sense
to practice having uh yeah, second and twelve.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
That's right, t Higgins over the middle.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah, that's that's a route we've seen him run a lot. Here,
that's Dax Hill on coverage. Yep. Get a chance to
watch Jax on Monday for the first time this preseason.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
You know, we have not talked a ton about Cam
Taylor Britt or Dax Hill. Is it because we haven't
noticed Cam Taylor Britt, Which is a good thing because
let's say, let's say a receiver is running open and
catches it. The first thing I do is look at
who's guarding him. Right, We've not seen Cam Taylor Britt
get beat a bunch. We saw him on the only
touchdown drive on Wednesday, have great coverage on a back

(52:50):
shoulder throw to Jamar Chase that Chase cod. I think
it's a good sign that Cam Taylor Britt hasn't been
really noticed or talked about as much at practice.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
I think we have mentioned his name a couple of
time when they've been doing red zone because he's made plays,
but not that often. Yeah, you you notice when dudes
get beat we've watched DJ Turner get abused, right, Yeah,
you notice when I haven't noticed Cam Taylor Brick getting beat.
But like relative to the their importance to the team,
I mean, god knows, it's a huge season for Dax

(53:20):
Hill for a thousand different reasons. Obviously he missed a
little time, didn't play against Philadelphia. But like, if if
what they're doing on defense is going to work running
it back with all those dbs, how does it happen
if Cam Taylor Britt and Dax Hill don't have seasons.
It doesn't.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
It doesn't happen, I will say, and I do think
it is. It's worth noting the plays that Joe Burrow
just made. The urgency it seems like he has in
the pocket of getting to the back of his job
getting the ball out seems much greater than what it
was on Wednesday. And it is worth noting that two
drives in the protection has been leaps and bounds better

(53:56):
Yeah than what it was on Wednesday. He's got some
time to throw. But overall, just watching, even as far
away as we are, they just seem to be moving quicker.
They're getting up to the line of scrimmage quicker, they're
getting the play in, they're getting the ball snapped.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
And I'm not watching him run for his life. Correct
completed a pass to Ah Taj Brooks on the last
snaps he's had time to throw. We saw, yeah, Jake
Brownie get flushed the previous series. I haven't seen that
with Joe Burrow.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
No, and he's found Jamr Chase multiple times. Jose vash
for the big play down the middle, Chase brown had
an explosive run. Te Higgins caught the ball over the middle.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
It just it does.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
It feels like an explosiveness that we completely missed when
we were out here on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Burrow with another completion looked like a tight end screen
to Tanner Hudson called Tanner Hudson's name a fair amount
during yeah, our visits to training camp.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
I would have it's it's tough because you wanted to
see more. I would have liked to see at camp more.
MICASICKI yes, because Yeah, I think when you make the
Noah fan move, you do that with the thought of
twelve personnel and although you can still run it, I
don't think we get to see the full capabilities of
twelve when it's not Kasiki and fan in there. Yeah,
so again something that we hope is is obviously minor.

(55:16):
Mi KEASICKI has been on the rehab field doing a bunch,
so you know, I don't I don't. I don't view
as in anything serious like that. It is again worth
noting a Marius Mims is still limping around a little bit.
You did not partake in any team drills, any of
the reps in that team period.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
It's like, you know, there's a line between limping and
walking gingerly. Yeah, and he's literally walking on it. Yeah. Yeah,
he's not on a cart.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
And my thing he hasn't had a trainer next to
him the whole time, right, like if there's been a
trainer looking at it, or you know, put him on
the cart so they can evaluate.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I think it's one thing. He looks like the way
he's like moving his legs looks like me when I
get out of bed. It is you're just imagine that
you're you're kind of just like trying to get moving,
get the blood circulating a little while. That's that's kind
of what he looks like he's doing. It's been a while,
all right, so we would call that a successful the offense. Yep, Okay,

(56:12):
I think that's what folks want to hear.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Yes, seven on seven coming up though, right, very good,
And there's only about seven people sporadically in our vision here,
so we might be able to actually see what's happening.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
We have a pretty good clear view. Yeah, I don't
know that it would make sense for us to go
tell Elizabeth Blackburn to move, but she's one of those
seven people.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Chase Brown out of the backfield or your angle route.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
You're gonna see, You're gonna see a fair amount.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
Of I don't know how you stop that angle route
with Chase Brown.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Right.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
If you imagine, let's go Jamar Chase T Higgins stretching
the field, tight ends widening the field, you get Chase
Brown one on one with a linebacker. And if you
think of an angle route, think of a running back
that starts to run a flat route, puts his foot
down and then goes right back over the middle. Right,
how do you guard that if you're a linebacker?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Right? Or Chase Brown running it?

Speaker 6 (57:03):
And then by that time you have run off the
safeties with Jamar, Chase and T.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Higgins.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
So now you catch it and you have space to
operate in the middle of the field. I mean, I
think that angle just a simple wrap.

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Speaker 4 (57:47):
Just lost to the ether. Yep, the cloud. It was
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Speaker 15 (57:56):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Yeah, I don't know how far back we miss. Joe
Burrow found andre Yoshi vash On a great ball down
the sideline where Cam Taylor Brick could do nothing but
shake his hand dap him up Afterwards. Offense looks so
much cleaner, more crisp, dealing with more urgency than what
we saw on Wednesday. They are certainly winning today outside

(58:18):
of what we're watching behind seven on seven right now,
which is the D line getting after the offensive line
and some one on ones as well.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
The D line has kind of had its way with
the offensive line down there.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yes, and mentioned the last segment. Still know Amrius Mims
in the one on ones? I don't know with what
we just saw right there, that's Chase Brown. That was
a wheel route from Chase Brown, and Demetrius Knight was
with him every step right the way. Unbelievable ball, But
the ability of a running back to make the catch
we just saw is incredible.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Demitrius Knight just shaking his head over so.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
He's running down the right side of the field. The
ball goes over his right shoulder away from Demetrius Knight
enough for him to get care get his feet down
in bounds. That is not something a running back in
the NFL should be able to do.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
And Jordan Battle came over and I'm sure saying some
of the effect of like, yeah, dude, if.

Speaker 6 (59:10):
You do coverage like that, we're going to win a
lot of game.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
We're good. We're gonna be successful. If we see that
from you week one, we will be fine.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
That will be an interception of week one, I guarantee
if that same route is throwing it.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Jase Brown has had a productive day catching passes out
of the backfield, which has been a theme of preseason
and camp.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Yeah, he's he's been so good. And we touched on
at the start of Wednesday's day. You know, he is
one of the first guys out on the field and
he's not doing running back drills. He's going through all
the individual stuff that the receivers do before practice, making
sure he's getting catches, working toe taps to the right,
toe taps to the left, one handed stuff, two handed

(59:48):
stuff with traffic around him. He is really really invested
in his game from a pass catching back, which isn't
the same to a lot of people. I'm I'm shocked
at practice. We've seen mo how many guys come out
here early and bring like their headphones and their phones.
Where do they put them? I don't know where they

(01:00:09):
put them. I've also never seen that at camp. There
was like eight guys out here today right before stretching
was happening that were like walking around the field with
headphones in listening to music. We saw a guy that
was grounding that is the technical term, or you you
take your shoes and socks off and you just feel the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Earth under Let me ask a questions. So I went
to UC's practice on Monday. The whole Bearcats two weeks
from yet last night when they beat Nebraska, they play
music NonStop. And this is something Luke Fickle did something,
but Jones did. It's not to my recollections on something

(01:00:47):
Tommy Tumberville did, although they were just happy if Tommy
made it to practice. Sure, but for years I've gone
to UC practices and music is just non stop, non stop.
Not so much at an NFL practice. Yeah, college, why
is that college?

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
They make it for Obviously the environment you're going to
be playing on the road in, so they want you
to have as loud of music as possible. There have
been times I've been down here and this is leading
up to more game week, Like I would say after
the third preseason game, you would hear a lot of
music and just hey, get ready because this is what
it's going to be sounding like. Make sure your calls,
make sure your checks are able to get accomplished when

(01:01:27):
you can't hear anything. Everything right now is so much
about getting the correct work in that you don't want
to have the communication breakdown. But as you get closer
to that game against Cleveland, they'll start pumping up the
music a lot more.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
I mean, I'd go to higher ground deft and I
could be standing next to somebody where you are to me,
and I couldn't talk to that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
They literally don't want you to be able to talk
to the person next to you. They want you to
have to use your signals, use your line of communication.
That's going to get the job done. Right, That that
you don't get into week one and all of a sudden,
you know, you go and check something, the receiver doesn't
see it, and it's a pick six.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
I'm always interested in the music that's chosen. So, for instance,
on Monday, there was some heavy metal. Yeah, right when
Luke Fickle was the head coach, hardcore gangster rap.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
Yeah, you have days. I think that you let players
pick right By the way I was looking earlier, UC
projected to a bowl game right now, New Mexico, New Mexico. Yeah,
I'm seeing right here the SERF pro first responderble against
Texas State in Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
If they're a If they're a bowl team with a
six and six record, man, you feel okay about that?

Speaker 15 (01:02:39):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I want to be I want to be at least
seven wins. I I'm not sure we said last year
ago six and six, that's progress. I'm not sure accomplishing
that this year feels like they're kind of getting some
buzz too. Greg McElroy yesterday, I picked him as the
sleeper in the Big Twelve. Yeah, also put out there
that he thinks the Big Twelve winner is going to
three losses. I don't think it's a strong Big twelve

(01:03:02):
this year. No, I don't think we've talked about so
much hinges on week one. I don't think. Yes, I
don't think U see schedule is all that imposing. No.
I just from what I've seen when I've gone, I
see a lot of team speed, more so than last year.
I am interested though week one Nebraska can push you around.

(01:03:25):
The Bearcats are going to be able to push back physically.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
I think what's interesting if you go back to Scott
Saderfield year three at ap State. Year two they won
seven games. Year three he won eleven. So everyone talks
about Matt Ruhle in year three in a program his
history would say this would be the year that Saderfield
has his full compliment of what he wants to do.
You get your quarterback back, you get meaningful players. You're

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receiving the leader from a single season at tight end
in school history. Joe Royer is back. You have two
running backs that I believe are up for the dope
Award a dual threat backfield. The one thing I think
this team has been lacking is playmakers and speed on
the outside, and by all accounts, including yours, I think
they have it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
They have it. It's i'll overly simplify it. What sores
B do I get? Yeah, if I get second half
sores B from last year, it's a five win team.
If I get a better version of the sores by
from the first half, they can win seven games. And
I think we'd feel pretty good about that. But I
think from the standpoint of like fan engagement, fan energy,

(01:04:31):
it's a one game season. Yep, go to Kansas City
and win.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
Yeah, it changes the whole conversation around the season if
you can go there and get a win, because then
you start, you know, I would assume doing what you
did in two thousand and nine, went on the road
and beat Rutgers week one, and yeah, as you said,
you start looking at the schedule, where's their next loss
or where is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Who are the Anadogs against? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Yeah, and at least early on in the season for
the Bearcats, you have an opportunity to do that. If
you win Week one, you know, this is your.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Big twelve school not some AC school going to play.
You're a Big twelve school. It's year three. You wanna
you talk about there being buzz, you'll get some of
you win that game against the bris Yes, And I
don't think and I don't think you can recapture it
by winning a bunch of games in the Big twelve. Yeah,
if not.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
I just don't know where the the buzz comes from
right around the program, except that, you know, October twenty
fifth game with the Hall of Fame, probably a lot
of buzz around there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Probably a lot of probably a lot of buzz.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
There be a lot of people that are buzzed. Yes,
the night before coming to the game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
The next morning, we're watching the kickoff drill.

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
Right, Oh yeah, you can. I think you can tell
listening by now. Yes, when we start to like wonder
with topics, it's usually a special teams drill.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
When we are intently focusing and on you know, eleven
on eleven or seven on seven, anything involving a ball
being passed. When we're watching special teams drills.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
Yeah, yeah, let's talk about bowl projections.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
What was it the Sun Dome Bowl?

Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
What was it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Just Serve Pro Serve Pro Sun It's in Dallas, So
who would they be playing? Texas State? Okay, do you
rally the troops for that one? Texas Solta? Is that
pre Christmas?

Speaker 17 (01:06:16):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
Is?

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
That? Is that like the day after the bowl?

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
It's December, which is not not the ideal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
You know, anything, anything but the Birmingham Bowl? Oh my god,
anything but the Birmingham Bowl?

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
Is that on the the Is that the tops of
your list of bowl games that you've been at with
UC of the worst?

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
It's it's on a page by itself. The worst stadium,
the worst run bowl game, the worst weather. U see
won the game destroyed Boston College. I think thirty eight
to six. That is the worst. That might be the
worst sporting event I've ever been to. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
The fort Worth Bowl was brutal. Yeah, you get down
to Texas and all of a sudden, it's an ice storm.
Equipment wise, we weren't prepared for that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Pipes in the press box froze, it was freezing cold.
Game wasn't great. Yeah, but you got back in time.
Dan Horde and I flying back from that game. Our
flight took us to Memphis and then we had had
an ice storm across the Midwest, had to hitch a ride.
Oh and we drove twelve hours back in an ice
storm on Christmas Eve. Nope.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Worst personal Bowl experience was the International Bowl strictly because
I missed the bus and Mark D'Antonio knocked on the
door and I was at the time. That was my
gray shirt year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
International Bowl. Yeah, we were International champions. Yeah, but Brian
Kelly was that was his first game. Oh No, not
Mark D'Antonio doing that. No, no, no, I'm not trying
to Michigan State. No, not the International Bowl. It was
the fort Worth Bowl because I was a gray shirt.
Who's your roommate, Bradley Glathar, I'm kidding you, So fort
Worth Bowl. I gray shirted all year, so I couldn't
be around the team at all. And then once the

(01:07:55):
bowl game, the NCAA allowed me to go to the
bowl game. Right, So my my sole time at the
game was just don't be noticed. Don't do anything that's
gonna get you noticed because you haven't been here all year.
Don't do anything negative.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
Right, And so game ends, a lot of the guys
are going out into beautiful downtown Fort Worth like, nah,
not me, I'm gonna go pack my bag. I'm gonna
go to sleep, and I'm gonna be like the first
one on the bus. Bradley did not abide by that
same thought process, and Bradley, oh man, Bradley went out

(01:08:28):
and had fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
And all I remember is like two thirty in the morning.
I get flipped out of my bed like he lifts
like dead lifts the mattress and I just roll out
onto the floor and I wake up. And you've you've
dealt with people that have probably had a lot of
drinks when you're sober. My main goal was just to
get Bradley back to sleep, like get in your bed,
get to sleep, and I get back like put my

(01:08:53):
bed back together. And the next recollection I have is
like the pounding on the door and you wake up
in like an immediate sweat, and it is Mark D'Antonio
on the other side, and we are already fifteen minutes
late for the bus leaving. Now, I like, quickly, my
bag's ready, I'm dressed. So I looked when he flipped

(01:09:16):
my mattress, it unplugged the alarm and back then you
alarm clots, right, yeah, it unplugged the alarm. Slong two
and four. So I look back as I'm leaving. Bradley
has no clothes on, laying face down in bed, has
not woken yet. His clothes from the Bowl trip are everywhere.
It took him another twenty minutes. So I was saved

(01:09:38):
a little bit by the fact that I think in
opening that door you could piece together what happened, like
I was packed, I was ready, but I'll never remember,
like that's the first and last time I was ever
late for a bus, Like getting on that bus, getting
the eye that I got from Mark D'Antonio, probably like
who in the hell is this guy? And then like
the coaches and players looking at me, and again gray shirt,

(01:10:02):
this is like my first experience in front of the team.
Uh huh and uh, thank goodness that Bradley shot out
Bradley Elder High School. Fantastic running back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
They're a good player.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
But had he not been in the condition he was in,
I think I would have been.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
In bad shape. And the rest is history. The rest
is uh is surely history.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
But yeah, seeing Mark D'Antoni on the other side of
the door, let's know what you want, not what I wanted, Like, oh,
that's it. This is how my staff. My chapter starts
and ends. See what the transfer portal looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Erkats won that game thirty four to sixteen. I believe
thirty four, thirty two to fourteen over Marshall. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Uh that Bruce Irvin Gino Gooduley took my hand warmer
at halftime because we didn't pack. I packed mine because
I looked at the four here was the MVP of
that game. Yeah, he took my hand warmer in like
the third quarter. He's like, give me that. I was like, okay,
that is It.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Was so cold. December twenty third, two thousand and four
is the coldest December twenty third in Fort Worth history.
I believe it. It was that cold. I believe it.
I remember the weather people that morning going, this is
going to be the coldest day on this date since we've.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Been like getting there. It wasn't like egregiously cold leading
up the week before, right like you were practicing and
you know, it's like chili. But it wasn't uncomfortable that
night of the game, man, that was that was brutal
to stand on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
You know, I've I've never had a Bowl experience that
came close to that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
You've left your phone in cities before and that it
wasn't a bowl game. You're right, that's a regular season.
That was a regular season twenty.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Six thirty pm.

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Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Twenty four l from now. This is the eighty Doring Window,
Tony and Boat Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. We
want to thank our guy, Jim Morian.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
The Goat, Jim Morian's turning it into his father.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
And the Holy Grail set us up. Good. I got
my Philly Cheese steak. Tony has his chicken tenders off
the kids menu. We've got a turkey bacon wrap for
our guy, Mike Mills. A bag of soft drinks.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
I say, can we explain, like, you know, when when
the VIP tent was up for most of training camp,
they had drinks in there that we could we could
get to listen to this. Hold on, hold on, I
don't have nails. Oh my goodness, that is a nice
cold Coca Cola. Yes, you want to talk about going
above and beyond the They only bring out one cooler

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now because there's only limited media here. That cooler gets
ransacked quickly. And not only did Jim bring us some
soft drinks and waters, he packed them in what I
would imagine as a west side cooler. Plastic bags, triple
bagged ice waters and soft drinks in the coolers. Just

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unbelievable attention to detail.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
You can tell Jim has played a lot of golf
in his life, yep, because that's what you do on
the course.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
Oh yeah, and not just right where thing's gonna leak
in two minutes, that is uh. I mean, that's a
package that'll hold here till three o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Well, the Holy Grail will be there September the fourteenth
with Ken brew for our pregame sports talk show beginning
at nine am. If you're headed downtown this weekend, Reds
and Brewers one series, make the Holy Grail your pre
your post game stop. And we thank Jim again for
hooking us up. This has been awesome. Have we told
him that we're gonna be back next Wednesday?

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
No, I am so intrigued right now. One by what's
going on on the field because we have a line
of lineman blockiness. But two, this guy that's up on
the bridge, Yeah, he has his own vehicle now, he's
got the umbrella out prepared. So we need one of
these media members that's got their camera to come in

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and maybe zoom in, because that man deserves his accolades.
You want to talk about being prepared, That is That
is hardcore. He's got his feet up, he's got an
umbrella in his own vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
He's got a vehicle. I mean, if I was gonna
be on the bridge, I'm not walking up there. No,
because wherever he came from, like the parking lot is
a ways away. Yeah, So bird's eye view of practice
for that guy. Yeah. Also the train has moved.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
He right now has a better view of practice than
what we have.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
You know, there's nothing that says and you know, our
guy Mike Mills would have to set this up. There's
nothing that says we can't bro post.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
From up there or can you imagine, you know, use
the Ray.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Saint Claire Roofing hotline and have one of us. I
would go up there in a heartbeat, sit here and
have the other one of us you go, you know,
with the bird's eye view of practice. I do that
in a heartbeat. All right, what are we attempting to
watch right now?

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
They're running eleven on eleven's right now. It's just very
hard to distinguish outside of right now we know Jake Browning.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
And the twos are in the game. It's very man
catch before.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
Yeah, very hard to distinguish what's happening on the place
as they just continue to pack up all the paths.
It's humanly possible in this field.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
That we're on. All right, So we have Jake Browning
in the shotgun.

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
I can't really see down in distance, but I would imagine, okay,
they're third down, so a third down, so probably a
little bit more pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
It was completed. I'm not sure that got the first down,
and it was on the far side. So this is
not a massive humanity trying to get in our way.

Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
This is not an unscripted session, so as you can see,
the guy in front of us is holding the downs
marker after every play, they're essentially just looking at their
script and moving the chains. But it is a third
down emphasis from a drill standpoint here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
Likely to see a lot more pressures or at least
showing pressures and then getting out of it. So we
saw in the unscripted the other day des Ritter correctly
was trying to check a play but just couldn't figure
out what he wanted to get to. This is a
little bit more of a breakdown drill specific to know
you're probably gonna have to make a change at the

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line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
You could tell that the we don't have officials today
because the entire left side of the offensive line moved early.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
Yeah, and there hasn't been one delay a game. Was
it like they were moving very quickly there to the
line of scrimmage ones back in if they just moved
ten yards ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
This would be fantastic. We would have a perfect view.
We'd have almost as good of a view as the
guy on the bridge.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
And not only are the linemen kind of in a way,
it's a Marius Mims that was kind of on the
book end of it that made it very hard to
view things large man. But if you're Joe Burrow here,
third and short one high safety defense is loading the box.
Got to get the ball out quick, your time, your
your internal clock just speeds up so much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
And he did get it out quick. Yeah, completing to
Jamar Chase.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Which would have ideally got a first down there, That
would have been a first So all you're doing here,
you're essentially probably going third and three, third and five,
third and seven, third and ten in a drill standpoint
to try to pick up these first downs. Heavy heavy
emphasis on blitz pickup, heavy emphasis on protections and making
sure versus the looks you're seeing that you're getting not

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only the right protection, but the receivers have to understand
as well. Hey, that's you see so much in football
where the quarterback will look at the receiver and point
to a defender. All he's telling that was as Hey,
if that guy blitzes. You're hot, you've got to change
your route. So communication everything like that Joe's tappiness helmet
right now, which is telling the team that they're going

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to the second play. A lot of times on third downs,
you're gonna call two plays in the huddle.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
If you see the.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
Quarterback tapping his helmet, they're moving to that second play
based on the look they're getting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
It's worth mentioning Orlando Brown is back today.

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
Yes, Orlando Brown Junior is practicing today. It's hard to
tell because they roll the jerseys up if Genostone is
taking a lot of the team reps today, but he
was back in the individual drills as well for them.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
I'm also watching bj Hill away from the action, getting
in a fair amount of running work.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
Yeah, he was doing some conditioning work.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Some conditioning work. He was doing like some you would
see him basketball slide drill type movements. Now he's jogging
running back and forth. Looks like he's doing mini gassers.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Bj Hill, I like it putting in the extra work
on a hot, sure, hot training camp day. That is
a sound one for three right now on this drive
for the Bengals offense. That one right there that's my
biggest fear with this on line. The team that shows
pressure third and medium and you don't even have a
chance to hit the back end of your drop before
you're getting pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Would that have been a party in the backfield.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
That wouldn't have been That was That was a big
party in the backfield. Everyone was invited. That is, everybody
showed up. That's what you can't have. It comes des
Ritter now with the twos.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Are very good. We have not talked about Dez today.
No no with Jake Brown and getting the second team snaps,
which was not so much the case on Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
This is important for death like to This was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
For me.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
This was the period of practice I look forward to
the least when I was in Carolina because as a
younger quarterback or a quarterback and a new system, you
just have to be so keen on the answers versu
this look. Make sure your protections are covered, make sure
you know when you're hot, make sure you know what
you're adjusting. From a young quarterback standpoint or someone coming

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into a new scheme, this is the hardest drill, in
my opinion, from a team setting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
He just completed a pass to Taj Brooks. I guess
what I want to see from Dez is what we
saw on Wednesday. You were just talking about, you know,
it looks sloppy because maybe does is not a certain
familiarity you would like to think. Okay, forty eight hours later,
he's got a little bit better command of what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
Yeah, so almost every one of these plays you're going
to be checking the protection in some way or another.
Dez just pushed the running back up to the line
of scrimmage and brought a tight end in so Max Protect.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Gets flushed out, takes it himself. Dees Ritter that that's
Dez Riders athleticism. That was a collapsing pocket. That also
a party in the backfield.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
Yeah, we we have not seen much to this point
resistance from the offensive line. A lot of quick drops,
a lot of getting the ball out faster for Joe Burrow.
Even the ball to Yoshi Vash it spent a lot
of time in the air. It wasn't like he sat
there and patted the ball once or twice. That was
a to the top of your draft drop with urgency
and let the ball out. There's just there's not a

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ton of resistance up front right now, des Ritter remains
in and you almost know as well, like there's a
pass behind his intention. On these reps, if you've got
a hitch once or twice, you're done right. You don't
like your your internal clock has to be at max

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one hitch. Okay, what's my plan to get out of this?
Rashad Owens one down and distance two.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Knowing the personnel, Rashad Owens was the intended receiver and
kind of gave as a look, yeah, what.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
I'm gonna go ahead and say that ball is tipped
at the line. Look to me like that ball is tipped.
Great play up front.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
All right, it's fourteen away from twelve o'clock eighty. Door
and Window, go ahead, that's some ice cold Coca cola.
Thanks for our friend Jim Boring at the Holy Grail.
It's the A Door and Window Tonyan Mode Training Camp
Show on ESPA fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station for ten
minutes away from No Man since the three sixty on

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ESPN fifteen thirty. A Door and Window Tony and Mo
Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty, broadcasting live from Bengals
training camp. We we've done now nine of these shows
here in the morning and they've they've been a blast.
This is our last one in the morning. We will
be back here at training camp though next Wednesday. Yes,

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for kind of our normal broadcast schedule. You from noon
to three along with Austin and I'll be here from
three to six. So one more broadcast day for us
from training camp, but not the ten am thing. Yeah,
it is Bengals practice in the afternoon is the reason
why it is.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
It's an afternoon practice, as you mentioned, so again, I
think trying to get more acclimated to those one one
thirty start times. Great that we'll have another opportunity to
get down here real quick. It is worth noting they
just went through a goal line dree. Marius Mims was
back in for that goal line period, which is obviously
a good sign, and I just retweeted it. I showed
it to you over the break. There's a video that

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Lucas Patrick probably wants deleted immediately. It is another stunt
in which Chris Jenkins they used to call when I
played decleted. Lucas Patrick goes flying and I think it's
a great representation of strength from Chris Jenkins, but another
poor technique rep for Lucas Patrick at James R. Penat

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Tony Underscore Pike fifteen. It's not ideal.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I said this the other day and I didn't. I
didn't I tweeted it. I didn't mean for it to
be mean. It's true. Lucas Patrick has made headlines in
camp for what happened with Shamar Stewart, and that's fine,
like dude's you know whatever. But I've I've heard more
and read more about Lucas Patrick and his anger was

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Shamar Stewart as justifiable as it was. I've heard more
about that than I have heard about him blocking anybody
in camp. Yeah, he was the first out here again today. Great,
good for him, he gets that award.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
But no, it is it's not a camp that you
would expect a player to have and not be pushed
at all. From a yeah, from a depth standpoint, it's
just that's what it is. Like there's no one pushing
him right now. They've moved Cody Ford, he was playing

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tackle and Mims went out today.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
And like and he was the guy. I mean he was. Again,
we keep doing this, but go back to the end
of the season, like, all right, they need a guard,
a free agent guard. Okay, here's Lucas Patrick. He's the guy,
right and look, man, I certainly hope for his sake
and everybody else is it it ends up working itself
out once the games actually start, that matter if he's playing.

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But to this point in camp and in the preseason,
his performances have been underwhelming.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Vastly underwhelming. And all we've done is pushed the goal
post back. All right, let's see what happens next week.
Let's see where this is next week. Well, here we are,
you know, not much time left now, and just reposted
a video of him getting put off his feet.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Right, maybe Chris Jenkins was inspired by the fact that
he doesn't have to give back his national championship.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
You know, as we turn the page here from the
Tony Moo Training Camp show and we start with since
he three to sixty, I just want to give Austin
a platform for a few minutes, okay, to really give
his thoughts on I think, really the death sentence that
was brought down today on Michigan. I think relative to
a lot of Ohio State fans. First of all, like

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the conversation has changed because OSU won the most recent
national title. Yeah, but I feel like relative to many,
not most, but many, a minority, but a vocal minority
of Ohio State fans as it relates to Michigan, I
think Austin has been pretty level headed.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Yeah for the most part. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
I just want to give him an opportunity. I want
to give him a couple of minutes to share what
he thinks and what transpired today.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
So for those who don't know, Jim Harbaugh got a
ten year show cause.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
He cannot coach in college football a game until twenty
thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Conter Sallian's got a ten year an eight year show cause.
Can he make any more documentaries? Absolutely? I don't think
that's prohibitive. The school is going to suffer I guess
financial punishments that they expect to rise to twenty million dollars.
Sharon Moore gets one more game, suspended for one more
game in twenty twenty six. I was already they self
imposed he's going to miss games.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
Three and four this year, Which that's what I want
to I want to bring up with Austin.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
When I was a kid and I got grounded, my
dad wasn't like I picked the weekend you want to
sit in your ride.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
That's why I was going to go with like, Hey,
this is going to happen, but you go ahead and
look at your schedule and let us know the games
that you'd like to impose.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
This what we'll give Austin that opportunity, I'm sure way
of living is that. I had heard people speculate that
like the NCAA was gonna essentially shut down the University
of Michigan. So relative to what I heard people say,
Michigan should be afraid of the headline grabbing. Portions of

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the punishment don't impact people who are currently part of
that program.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
Yeah, ill, we'll discuss it more. I would assume we're
nearing the end of practice. If you had to designate
a side of the ball that won or lost today,
where would you go to go?

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Offense?

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
I think offense won. I think they won overall. I
think they lost in the trenches fair but I think
overall they worked around it in won total.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
I think they lost in the trenches, but I don't
think it was as decisive as it was on Wednesday. No,
I mean I think you would say, like the offense
kind of closed the gap. We saw a little bit
more downfield throwing. We didn't and again like we don't
have officials out here today.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
But nice catch by Charlie Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
You didn't feel or see the slot with you know,
false start penalties and stuff like that. It felt like
offense won the day.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
But winner of the day Chase Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Without question, without question, caught a number of balls out
of the backfield, ran some great routes, and made some place.

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
Evan McPherson just missed it with a guy draped all
over him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
He just missed a kick. Bitcoin Mack no good, no
good at the distance. Well, you know they've been working
him at safety.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Yeah, he legs a probably a little fatigued. This is
what it's about, though, Can you miss and can you
bounce back and make the next one? As we wait,
Oh my gosh, it's a.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
It's a fake ran this take. There's a past to
Tan or Hudson.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
That looks like they got it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
Let's call it uh since.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
He three to sixty is coming up. Next has been
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