The Tony and Mo Training Camp Show LIVE from Bengals Training Camp -- 7/28/25

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Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right, we are back yes day five of Bengals
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all these many years. If you were not with us
last week, we are starting at ten am whenever the
Bengals have a weekday practice which is just getting underway.
We'll be here today Wednesday. Tony's gonna be here on Thursday.
Yes and since he three sixty at noon. Still I've
got my show from three to six. It's bonus coverage.

(01:18):
And Tony, the pads are on today. Pads are out,
pads are out.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
We might see some hitting today mo at worse, we
might see some thudding thudding out here, which means hitting
but not tackling.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thought you and I maybe should have brought some pads out.
I thought so.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
But we've changed our location a little bit. We have
just by a couple of yards, yep. But we really
have a good, good view of this back end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Pielon. We are right on the pilot that Jamar.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Chase one handed catch from last week would look great
right in our lap right now.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
So we'll set the scene for you. First of all,
we've this is our fourth day here. We were here Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday of last week. That line that I
pulled up I got here, I don't know, maybe quarter
after nine today. That is the longest line I've seen.
The fans we should have pack stands today. Hopefully the
rain holds out. It's been overcast much of the morning,

(02:07):
but like literally right before ten o'clock the sun came out.
We're looking to the west right now. It looks pretty clear.
I've seen estimates that we're gonna have thunderstorms starting around
twelve o'clock, which is right around when practice should end. However,
we will still be here under this tent. Yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I'm looking forward to that, But I think you get
a little bit of the anticipation because for a lot
of fans, I'm sure if they didn't make it down
last week, hopefully they were following along, listening along. There's
a lot to be excited about with this team right now.
I thought the play of Jermaine Burton through the first
week of training camp stood out. Yes, obviously the news

(02:45):
that came down Friday evening with Shamar Stewart, Yes, has
a lot of people buzzing and wanting to come down
and see what everything is about. And what better time
than now. The first day in pads was always as
a player, it was always different because when you think
of the off season, this is the first time since
the season actually ended, you put the pads back on,
right Like, there are workouts, there are OTAs, there are

(03:08):
mini cams, but you're not coming out here in full pads.
This is the first time since your season ended last
year that you throw these pads back on, and there's
always for some it's it's an excitement. For others it's
pads pads are back. But I always think it does
it it's an uptick in the intensity normally when you

(03:29):
talk about day one in pads and if it's anything
like the first couple of practices, we were able to
see there was urgency, there was some physicality. We talked
about how the practices from a length standpoint went. So
I'm interested to see how today unfolds with with the
pads on.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And it'll be for you and I our first look
at Shamar Stewart the Friday evening news dump. I have
to appreciate that, right. So I saw this right around
six twenty on Friday, and my first thought, and maybe
this is not what I should have been thinking about,
but my first was, you know, our friends in the
media who cover the team. So it's like, all right,
end of the first week of camp, Saturday, the players

(04:06):
are off. Yeah, you can probably enjoy a nice Friday
evening and then not so much. They got to cover
Shamar Stewart, but the ordeal is over. Schamar says there's
no hard feelings. He was at practice yesterday, Zach Taylor says,
you know, we're gonna ramp him up a little bit.
We're not gonna totally just throw him to the wolves.
I asked you this last week. We talked about like
how much time Schamar can miss before year one is

(04:29):
maybe a wash. So I'll ask you now. He missed
three practices. He missed you know, he was here for
Minnie Camp, or at least a portion of it, but
he really wasn't going through the drills. Same for OTAs.
How far behind is he and how long will it
take for him to get caught up.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
He's far behind from more from a mental standpoint than physical.
You hope that physically he's He's been keeping his body
where it needs to be. But we talked about it
last week and kind of put the deadline on last week. Yeah,
because if we said, if you get to this week
and you're still not here, that's a lot to try
to overcome through the course of a of a preseason.
So he got here, he signed Friday, he was able

(05:09):
to practice yesterday, and by all means he was out
here doing some activities, playing some eleven on eleven.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
He was busy.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, throwing him in there, So I think now there's
an understanding of he's here. It a week from Thursday
as the first preseason game, so you get some time
before that Philadelphia Eagles contest, which I would assume he's
going to play a lot, and to see what you have.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I do.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think he made that deadline by the the smallest
of margins, but he should give himself. I don't know
if he's an every down guy. I don't know if
he was going to be an every down guy, but
certainly you can expand I think the role that you
can expect to see him in the season.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I don't know that we need to dwell on
this from here on out. It's it's all about as
eventually what kind of career he has. I can't help though,
but ask like, was this worth it? Right? So Chamar
caves on the language, which was the major sticking point,
and the Bengals give him a half million dollars about

(06:10):
four months earlier than they would have. Right. Why we
appreciate it. I put on Twitter on Friday that Shamar
Stewart is in an ESPN fifteen to thirty Ring of Honor.
I appreciate all the content this summer. But for ultimately
what was achieved, was this ordeal worth it?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I don't think so. I think both sides it was
foolish because of the time you missed out on and now.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I feel like I could immdiate it that a month.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, but now the time will tell, like does he
have enough time to get caught up to speed? And
you know, he was very complimentary of his agent and
agency and he's not firing him anytime soon. I think
that's interesting. I did think if if he's a SINSI
or if he's an ESPN fifteen thirty Ring of Honor member,
what's that make Tray has the fifteen thirty Captain of

(07:02):
the Ring of Honor?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, once you're already in the Ring of Honor, I
don't know what because he's already in yeah, because of
last offseason. Yeah, so what does he get? What's the
what's the added honor for Trey Hendrickson? Does it have
a captain? Does the Ring of Honor have a captain?
It's Captain Whitey Captain of the Ring of Honor Trey Hendrickson.
This does it puts the spotlight on Trey even brighter
than it already was, and to a degree. Like we've

(07:24):
said all along, they've got to have one, right, you
like to have both. Hopefully they eventually have both, but
one party's leverage is cut into the minute the other
one signs. Well, Trey hendrick or Trey and Shamar Stewart
is here. Trey Hendrickson certainly has leverage, he's a great player,
but it's cut into just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
But I've always thought that those two, and we talked
about a little bit last week, it was almost toxic
the way they were probably feeding off each other. Yeah,
you know, for Shamar, he could continue to try to
gain leverage by saying, well, Trey's not there, Yeah, you're
gonna need one of us to be there. And for
Trey there was probably always the leverage of, well, if
Shamar is not there, who's gonna play d M this year?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Right? So you better pay me?

Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I'm interested to see if anything does now get
done or the focus now shifts to Trey Hendrickson. When
you think about Shamar being here, what more leverage other
than the numbers he put up last year?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Does Trey Hendrickson half? Yeah? And Schamar gets a chance
Because many myself included, to have wonder does the holdout
suggest that he maybe really doesn't want to play in Cincinnati. Now,
he said all the right things over the weekend, and
that's a credit to him. But you know, now now
we can see it a little bit like show it

(08:39):
to me. Show me you're interested in playing, Show me
you're interested in having a great rookie season. Show me
that you're about more than just the four and a
half sex over the course of your college career. Show
me something like show me something starting a week from Thursday.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, and this day of camp usually brings about the
first day of.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
One on ones. Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
And that's what I want to see. I want to
see it's hard from a team setting. You saw some
videos yesterday where he was getting double teamed. You saw
the tight end chip in a little bit. What I
would like to see is him today line up opposite
of a Marius Mems. I'd like to see him line
up opposite of Orlando Brown Junior and some one on
one uh drill work and hopefully, based on the vantage

(09:22):
point we have if they do do one on ones
or we're really gonna can't lose. There's either gonna We're
gonna see wide receiver dB one on ones, right, or
we're gonna see O line D line one on ones.
I'd like to see both, but I would like to
see him line up in those scenarios and see what
they can do in a in a condensed one on
one throw the microscope over him level, So.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Before he became a story for not showing up. You know,
in the immediate aftermath of the draft, what do we
all do? We focused on one and a half sacks
and look understandably so right, like we love Trey Hendrickson.
What's the main reason why? Because quarter he gets a
lot of quarterback sacks. So obviously Schamar's sack productivity wasn't there,

(10:05):
but the pressures and disruptions were. And I am defaulting
to that night. You and I talked about this a
day or two after the draft, and it's like, all right, yes,
he's got to finish plays more. He would be the
first tottaya that he told that to us on on
ESPN fifteen thirty. But it's not like he was blocked
all the time. It's not like he was terrible at
beating his guy off the edge. It's not like he

(10:27):
wasn't in the backfield and I if he had ten
sacks in college last season, we would say, well, that translates.
Why then can't the pressures translate? You know? I read
this weekend about Al Golden talking about better ball disruption.
The Bengals I think were eighth in the NFL last
year defensively in takeaways. So obviously they're not awful. You

(10:47):
want to be better at that. But why can't the
the pressures and disruptions translate? All right? So, yes, you
want him to stack the quarterback more, but there are
times where a pressure that turns into a pick, or
a pressure that turns into the quarterback making a mistake
or throwing the ball out of bounds, even on a
fourth down and now you have possession. There are times

(11:08):
where the pressure itself can be in some ways better
than the sack.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, there are those that you'll say that have played
in the secondary at the highest level that's say it's
not even about the sack. It's about making the quarterback
uncomfortable and moving him around, right, because then the quarterback
is prone to you know, maybe pushing up and maybe
going to make an off balance, throwing his arm angled
drops just a hair and the ball sales or the
accuracy takes a hit because of what the pressure is providing.

(11:35):
You know, it's essentially what makes you marvel at Joe
Burrow yep, because of how good he is under pressure.
If if you can provide constant pressure to quarterbacks, and
we talked about it a little bit last week with
the pressure coming from the interior part of the defensive line,
if you can consistently make that quarterback uncomfortable, you open

(11:56):
yourself up to having a lot of success as a defense.
Last year it was so much feast or famine of
they got auf to the quarterback or the quarterback was
just sitting back there for days. Yeah, and you hit
the nail on the head when you go back to
the Super Bowl last year, right, Mahomes from the first snap,
it wasn't like he got sacked twelve times, but he
was never comfortable.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
It was the.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Pressure that allowed the Eagles to make him uncomfortable. And
I think you mentioned up the middle, that to me
is another portion of this. If you have Hendrickson and
Murphy and Osai and Shamar Stewart, it's not always you
only playing two of them.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
We talked about this with Sam.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Hubbard a little bit last year, is there a possibility
on third down or passing situations that you bring three
of these defensive linemen or defensive edgressers in and let
one line up inside and create pressure that way, which
isn't all out atlantis because you think of the greats
in the game, they line up everywhere.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Miles Garrett lines up inside outside.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know, any way to cause disruption or favorable matchups
is key for a defense and something I'm sure how
Golden is trying to capitalize by.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The way, that concept isn't new to sound like the
old guy, that's what how he long did? Man? Right?
I mean lined up at every position at some point
on the defensive line. And I would wonder, like Trey
Hendrickson is in year what nine, been in the league
for a long time, He's only played edge, so I
would guess it's maybe a little bit more difficult to

(13:27):
tell him you're gonna kick inside with Shamar Stewart. I've
got a fresh piece of clay here, man, So I
wonder if there's thought too, and maybe this is more
difficult to do as long as Treys not here. But
like starting today, hey Schamar, we're gonna line you up
inside Yeah, it's not something you've done a lot of
Texas A and m We're gonna line you up inside
half the snaps because this is we want you to

(13:48):
be a chess piece. We want to move you around.
And again, it's easier to do if you have Trey Hendrickson,
but I wonder if it makes sense for a guy
like him. You're an NFL player now, So what we're
gonna start is by making you the kind of guy
that we can line up anywhere on the defensive line.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, and I think that allows you to alleviate and
figure out the reps as well. I mean it's hard
for Miles Murphy and Joseph Osaiah. I'm sure if all
of a sudden, you come to practice today androm Mar
Stewart gets the line and share the snaps, yeah, you're
gonna say, wait a second, I was here every day
of the offseason. I've been here. You can alleviate that
by playing them all at the same time a little bit.
You can alleviate that by moving them around. And I

(14:24):
do think that there is a value in a good
value in being able to slide a defensive edge rusher inside.
To slide an edge rusher because their techniques are just different.
There's more explosiveness, there's more moves. Those interior guys they
rely so much on that the power and the push,
whereas the edge guys they have ways to get around you.

(14:46):
And I think that's valuable and it's just another wrinkle
that it adds to an opposing offense that they have
to take time during the week to figure out.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
I always equate it to if you think of a
work we can the NFL Monday, you're just kind of
introducing Tuesdays, you're off day, Wednesday, Thursday, or your heavy
work days. Think about the amount of plays and the
reps that you get in those situations, and what if
you do have to thay, okay, now if they do
line up inside, those are reps you got to practice
that are added on. That's a wrinkle that you have

(15:18):
to add on. We joked about that with Des Ritter
last week. Right, if you have a mobile quarterback and
it's in the back of your head, as a defensive coordinator,
unless you're lu An Arumo going against justin fields, you
have to at least play during the week a couple
reps of hey, here's our game planing against the mobile
quarterback right. So the more that I can put on

(15:38):
the plate and put on film for the opposing defense
or the opposing offense to have to work through, then
that's less reps they get at everything else, and I
think those are all positive.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Team is right now on the far side. You know,
there's two fields right in front of this and then
another one behind the main bleachers. The team is going through.
It's stretching exercises, calisthenics if you will, nice on the
on the far side, we've got padded practice today, which
means it's gonna be the first NFL padded practice for
Dylan Fairchild. And one of the themes of camp, and

(16:08):
you and I talked about this a lot last week.
One of the themes in camp in recent years has
been the dominance of the defensive line opposite Bengals offensive
lines that turned out to not be very good. Yeah,
Dylan Fairchild is being given every chance to be a
starting guard for this football team. Interested in how he
reacts to his first NFL padded practice.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
If if day one on the defensive petted practice is
watching Shamar Stewart, then for me, day one on offensive
padded practices is watching fairchild right, because again, there aren't
as many questions on the offensive side of the ball.
We know that we know the wide receivers and who
they're gonna be. We know their quarterback, we know the
running backs, we know a lot of the offensive line.
Now you know Lucas Patrick has been banged up. That's

(16:51):
something to keep an eye on that calf injury. But
give me fairchild against a BJ Hill, Yeah, anyone like that. Again,
that to me is something that you highlight and this
is normally the time of every training camp that's that's
coming gone in years past where I had to give
you the unfortunate calls of well, D line one this day,

(17:11):
D line one this day. So what does that look like?
Does that script get flipped a little bit because we're
we've talked a lot this training camp about offense should dominate.
What does it look like in the trenches? I think
is going to be fantastic. We have that day one
of higher ground. The bass Cats are getting after it
and it's getting after it today. We would be remiss

(17:32):
mo because we opened our first training camp show and
we thanked the Reds for We're getting us to the
finish line, get us to the start of camp. Can't
sleep on the red legs right now.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Buyers contenders, Yep, that's what they are. A three game
sweep of the Tampa Bay Rays. Brady Singer was awesome yesterday,
and he needed to be, you know, just given how
much he had struggled his previous five or six starts.
But look, man, they've done it often this year. Right
when it feels like the season is about to go sideway,
they bounce back. And you know, after that second game
last week in Washington, we joked about how that felt

(18:05):
like a game on September twenty third. It felt like
they were handing, you know, the sports attention, the handing
the rest of the summer to the Cincinnati Bengals. Won
the last game of that series in Washington, played great
over the weekend against a pretty decent Tampa Bay team.
The LA Dodgers are in town. Starting to time. Man,
the trade deadline is four days away. But they're contenders now.

(18:26):
I mean for months we have been saying, like, achieve
some degree of clarity going into the deadline. I don't
care if they get swept by the LA Dodgers. They're contenders. Yeah,
And so the message Emelio Pagan has talked about this.
A handful of other players have talked about this. We
want to put the front office in a position where
they have to help us out, and they've done that.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
It's a good time and it's one of those times
in Cincinnati sports you remind yourself to just take it
in and enjoy it. Yeah, Bengals are out here practice
and the football season's close. FC Cincinnati is a point
behind in the standings. Yeah, getting underway, and we've got
Reds contending baseball to go along with training camp.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Unbelievable. It's awesome. Life is good. Life is good. Life
is good for us here at Bengals training camp. The
team has broken up into individual position group, so they'll
do some drills. Uh, and we've got it for you
all morning long. Tony will be here for since he
three sixty. At noon, Austin Elmore will join us. I've
got my show from three to six. Tony will give

(19:26):
us live training camp reports at three forty five, four
forty five weather reports, forty five weather reports. Yeah, you'll
be out here, maybe by yourself in the rain. Wouldn't
that be something that would be I would enjoy it.
You know I conducting those.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I love our guy Mike Mills, and he's been so
great down here. Yes today is you had you stepped
out for a second. He was telling me about the
contingency plan if it rained, okay, which is essentially, we're
just gonna pull the tarp over ourselves to protect the
equipment and I guess ourselves, which I just deemed to
be extremely hot.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I mean it under this tent right now, it's comfortable.
A little light breeze with that fan to our left.
It's now we have a ten above us. It's comfortable. Ish,
I'll say, Uh, so you're going.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
To feel the heat, so you can feel a little
bit of the heat.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
So the contingency plan is to put a tarp. We're
gonna do. We're gonna, like you and I are gonna
huddle under a tarp.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
I believe what what I understood from it was they
will that he will drape the tarp over this table, okay,
and that we will pull the rest of the tarp
over ourselves. Okay, all right, you know what, And with that,
Mo's gonna head out about eleven.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
As long as the equipment is safe, yep, and as
long as our food arrives. Man, We're good to go.
All right, It's twenty minutes after ten o'clock eight E.
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The pads are on. It's day five Bengals training camp.
We are broadcasting from the back corner of the head
zone on field number one on the north side. That's us.
If if you are here, you know you you could
come to training camp practice theoretically and on the iHeartRadio
app listen to the show while you're at practice, right,

(21:50):
I mean you. We might have some folks in those
stands opposite us on the other end who are listening
to this right now. And if that's you, if you
look at the blue tank on the back end of
the end zone on the north side of field one,
that's us. Hey, good to see you, Thanks for listening.
Glad you're here. Hope you're having fun.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
You can't see over here, Logan Wilson's taking some reps,
catching some passes from the quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
You know, you know Sam Hubbard last year, his last
NFL play was a touchdown reception, and so maybe he
fills the role of that defensive guy who worked courts.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Eligible, I liked this, I liked us, or just working
on the hands a little bit could.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Be Yeah, there's you know, validity to that. So the
offense has for the most part, stepped up big here
in training camp. You've talked about Jermaine Burton, who's having
a good camp so far. One of the themes of
yesterday though, was the defense stepped up when historically the
Bengals defense has stepped up. What is the term we've
often used in recent years when the Bengals have had

(22:50):
a good defense bend but don't break. Yes, So in
red zone drill yesterday, the Cincinnati secondary kept Joe Burrowing
Company out.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Of the end zone. How about that. It's a good
step in the right to rind. Actually, look, it's we
we throw the term around, but there is actual validity
to do it. When you look at this team like that,
that would be smart. You know you're not going to be,
you know, a top fifteen defense in the NFL. Can
you be a top fifteen red zone defense in the NFL,

(23:20):
because if you're trading three for seven with teams against
the things, you're gonna win more than you lose. If
you could have got those stops last year. I saw
it floating around yesterday and people, you know, hitting the
panic button. Dan Horde pointed out, this was a top
five red zone offense in the league last year. I'm
not concerned that they got shut out in a red
zone period. No, I'm encouraging the training camp. Yes, yes,

(23:43):
I'm encouraged that the defense was able to do that.
And the thought for me then shifts to, Okay, don't
don't worry about being tops and everything. Focus on what
can help this team right now. You know this offense
is going to score points which means if you hold
team to field goals instead of touchdowns, than in all

(24:03):
likelihood you're winning football games. Right, So, if you're out Golden,
do you put more emphasis on your red zone defense?
Do you put more time into red zone? I would,
because it's too much to ask for this defense to
completely overhaul and change itself and be great in every area. Right,
is it that hard to say? Well, if al Golden
can do one thing in year one, improve the red

(24:25):
zone defense of this team.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, of you know, there's let's say there's a checklist.
The first one would be for me inside the twenty. Yeah,
you know, Ben, but don't break his cliche and yeah, man,
you want a defense that one day is just getting
three and outs. Three and outs. You're not moving the
ball against him, you know, forget kicking field goals. You're
lucky to cross midfield. That's what we all want. But

(24:47):
the first step for me is, you're exactly right, because
if the Bengals offense does what we think it can do, frankly,
what it should do, and what it often did last year, Like,
it's hard if you're an offense, Yeah, you know, just
think of it. Last season Washington Commanders had to be
perfect to beat the Bengals, and Jane Daniels was, and
that is a credit to him and a discredit to
Cincinnati's defense. At the same time, it's got to be

(25:10):
hard to play offense against this team when the offense
is cooking, because we've got to score every time. We
know Burrow's gonna hang thirty one, thirty five, thirty eight
on us, So we've got to score every time. If
you could make it even more difficult by establishing yourself
as really good inside the twenty, then this team is
gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
I always I always equated it back to if you're
a Cincinnati native when I was growing up and in
high school, those Cole Range football teams, Yeah, dominant Goodman
and Terrell Burd and those guys, because they ran their
offense to perfection and they put so much pressure on
opposing offenses to keep up and if not, it just

(25:52):
it mentally just wore you down.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now they like the teams you played on the other
team's offense often.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, But what it does from a quarterback of the
opposing team standpoint. We've talked about this with Evan McPherson
in the confidence the other day. If I'm an opposing
quarterback and I'm playing against the Bengals and all of
a sudden it's ten to nothing, I know my defense
is going to struggle. So then the quarterback mentality changes.

(26:20):
Maybe I do try to fit that ball in down
the middle in double coverage when I know I shouldn't
because I don't want to check it down and have
to punt again. So your offense can help as well
the defense by continuing to score points. The problem last
year the defense was just as poorous, so the offense
would dominate, and then the opposing offense going against the
Bengals defense would dominate as well, so it never balanced

(26:41):
itself out to where, like I said, if you can
be good in the red zone, you then start to
put that pressure on if you can get one or
two stops and make a quarterback maybe do something that
he's not characteristically.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Known for doing. And a big part of yesterday's defensive
effort in the red zone the play off Dag's hill
and you know we've where's Dax gonna line up, put
him a little bit in the slot, had him a
little bit on the outside, not working him in at
safety at all. So they're making it pretty clear. You know,
his place in this team right now is at corner.
I think it's easy to forget a because it happened

(27:16):
kind of early in the season be everything went south
on defense, Dak's hill before he got hurt, was starting
to do some real positive things.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, and again, I think what he was asked to
do last year is one of the hardest things you
can do. I think playing in the secondary outside of
quarterback is the toughest position to be in, and he
was trying to play multiple positions and that's just a
lot for a player to take in now, unbelievable athleticism

(27:45):
and you could say unbelievable mental capacity for the game
to be able to switch positions, and I think people
knew it was going to take a little time. The
unfortunate side is as he seemed like he was starting
to figure out is when the injury happened. But I
think he's a guy if you're starting to talk about
out guys that you're relying on or you need to
rely on for this team, I think he's right there
at the top of the list on the defensive side

(28:06):
of the ball because of what the upside is.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, He's like a lot of guys on that defense
where you talk about where they were drafted, right, the
reason why, for better or for worse, and you could
have issue with it, and the reason why they did
not add a corner in free agency they didn't go
and draft a corner, they didn't add a safety in
free agency and they didn't draft one, is they like
what they have and they're going to default to where

(28:31):
some of these guys were drafted. And in some cases
I guess Geno Stone where their careers were going prior
to last year, and I think if there was an
area on the team that you were kind of okay
running it back with, it's corner in safety. Now, I'll
be the first to admit I would have liked to
have seen a veteran guy work into the mix from outside.
I think there was room for that. I think competition
is good. But some of the same things we have

(28:52):
said about Cam Taylor Brick could apply to daxx Hill.
The difference is Cam Taylor BRIT's not coming off an injury.
Dax is.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, for that, it is it's the confidence part when
you go through a serious injury, getting back out there,
making the plays, moving at a at a level where
you're not second guessing yourself. That that to me, when
you come off a leg injury is the hardest thing
for for defensive players to do because there's going to
come a point where you got to put your foot
in the ground and just go. And once you clear

(29:21):
that mental hurdle, the game of football is all about speed,
and the more confident you are, the faster you play. Right,
and I'm not talking about four three forty speed. I'm
talking about when you're confident in what you're doing and
you're confident in the system and you're confident in your body,
you just play at a different level. You're not thinking, you're.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Reacting and not thinking.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
And every every player that goes through an injury, there's
going to be that point. I went through it with
my arm of just needing to get tackled and feeling
yourself brace a fall or something like that. Once that
hurdle cleaned, Yes, yes, which I was very good at
at least pushing them out of bounds, but it is
it's it's that that next hurdle that that you're trying

(30:04):
to clear, and for dak Sille, that's obviously where you're.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
At uh have we have? We given out the award
today for the first person out on the field.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Troy Walters wide receivers, go wide receiver coach, yep, first
one out here, ready to go? Donnie a long sleeve? Okay,
a lot of coaches rock the long sleeves during camp.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Sure, all right? So Al Golden wanted on Thursday and
Friday was out of here early. Troy Walters, yep, uh
steps up? What is a player gonna win again? It's
a good question. Do the players not want to get
out here early and work? I guess not. I don't know.
There is a guy that I saw walking in with
an orange shirt and it just said in black lettering,
no one cares work harder. Is that Is he trying

(30:45):
to send a message to the team. I think so?

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Is he trying to see that guy that was yelling
at the defense the other day? I would like to
think that guy is not allowed back.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah. By the way, that's I think that's the largest
group of fans we have seen here so far.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Normally the bleachers are always full, right, but the line
around the rope is like two three rows deep.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Maybe people have heard us and think if the ball
comes this way. It's ours today.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I haven't heard that they've adjusted that rule. Yeah, it
is twenty five minutes away from eleven o'clock. It's the
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I'm on at three oh five today from our Kenwood
Studios on ESPN fifteen thirty. First Day Padded Practice. First
day of padded practice brings out the stars. Man Lance
McAllister is here yep, watching very patiently too. He is
you know, he is owned it. I mean he is

(32:11):
he is focused.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, he's not looked away from the action on the fields.
You haven't seen him walk over big time players. Jeremy
Fowler of ESPN, is is here been Jeremy Fowler on
since he three sixty a couple of weeks ago, and
he asked if I could still spin it?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Can you se?

Speaker 4 (32:31):
If a ball comes this way? Jeremy's gonna get his
report for the day. Put that on Sports Center tonight.
Not top ten, not top ten? You spin it all right?
Bengals right now? Are they split?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
We've got qbs and and pass catchers on the field together. Yeah,
our guy Dez Ritter continues to apply pressure to Peyton Thorn. Yep.
Peyton Thorn looks dejected. He battled for the third third
quarterback gig.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
It does feel like Joe Burrow is separating himself a
little bit just from des All though.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, no red zone touchdowns yesterday, And wonder.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Did Dez have any well all I've read almost fields
at this point because we weren't here at the media
is now trying to bury Deaz. That's could have very
well thned for three yesterday.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
It does feel like the media has moved off the
Dez storyline quite quickly. And I can't help but wonder
if there's not some sort of kenspiracy here. I wonder
the same thing. Yeah, it's it's a little bit unfortunate
so far, knock on wood. Marco Wilson is dealing with
an injury that Zach Taylor did not really want to
get into too great detail about the Lucaspatrick thing happened

(33:42):
last week. We'll see how today's padded practice goes. We're
a little bit less than midway through, I guess, but
so far from a health perspective, a clean camp.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yeah, and again this is now if you're getting hurt
week one, you know, those are the injuries that usually
don't linger as much. Now you're talking about pads, a lot,
more of a lot, more collisions, a lot more physicality,
more in and out of the break from a cut
standpoint to gain separation. You know, this is where you

(34:13):
want to make sure that you're taking care of yourself.
And we talked about with t Higgins a little bit
as well. When the temperature is as hot as it is,
one of the things you want to do is if
you're fatigue, just take a rep off, because you start
running some routes when you're fatigue or taking reps fatigue
and you're the way you need to conduct yourself. It

(34:35):
goes in a different direction and it could lead to
an injury. So you want to make sure you're fresh.
You want to make sure you're pushing yourself, but also
being smart when the weather is what it is.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
You know, and it's worth mentioning as well, because we
harped on it before it camp began and talked about
it being one of the main storylines of the season.
Evan McPherson's eighteen for eighteen on his kicks. How about that.
Now you might think it's silly to be documenting such things,
but if he were ten of eighteen on his kicks, yeah,
well we'd be talking it more. If he was fourteen
of eighteen on his kicks, we will be talking about
it at least a little bit. He hasn't missed one yet.

(35:06):
That's a good step step in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, any any good day is just continuing to raise
the confidence of Evan McPherson.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
We use that the word confidence a ton.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
If you start talking about confidence for kickers or lack
of confidence for kickers, that becomes an issue, right right,
You have one job to do and if you start
to struggle in doing that, job. Mentally, that starts to
become an issue for you, and then you're starting to
talk about, you know, maybe change your form or maybe
change how you kick. That's not what you want to do.

(35:36):
So ideally you'd like him to go through a whole
camp and and not miss a kick. Obviously there will
be something that come because you're gonna start to push
the the distance back a little bit. But the more
he can make the abvies better for for Evan McPherson
and offense.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I believe everything that he has tried so far has
been between thirty eight and fifty two and so they
haven't extended him quite yet. But that is gonna come.
And can I come in a preseason game a week
from Thursday?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Crazy to think we're Thursday? I mean that we're that
close to the preseason. Yeah, I mean we are. We're
essentially almost there. And then we get to that as
you mentioned that the worst time in all of the
football season after preseason game number three to the start
of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
So I don't miss having four preseason nobody does. Like
nobody misses four preseason games. That said, there is a
long gap, and you know, I mean not an insignificant
one for this team where there's been emphasis on guys
are gonna play in the preseason. That last preseason game

(36:39):
is on the twenty third. That's more than two weeks
before the first game. You know, it wasn't all that
long ago where the last preseason game was on the
Thursday going into Labor Day, and then the first game,
you know, for the most part, was on Sunday. There's
a little bit more time. From a fan perspective, it
slows down things just a little bit. I certainly don't

(37:00):
want a fourth preseason game, Yeah, but I do wonder
if you asked, if you ask Zach Taylor, maybe somebody has, hey,
you want to play the guys in the preseason. Do
you wish in an ideal world that maybe things were
spread out a little bit more so you can have
you know, he might rest Joe Burrow in that last
preseason game, but there're gonna be guys on the field

(37:21):
that you need week one. Does he wish that maybe
that was a little bit closer to the face.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I would almost rather start a week later, yeah, and
just not have that big of gap in between the
end of camp. Now I get like it's a physical
it's a grueling camp. You want some extra days off,
but there should be ways you can work around it.
For us, luckily we got a team right in the
thick of the playoff baseball hunt. I can keep us
not occupied for a couple of weeks about it.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
They'll be in the hunt the rest of the way,
and that week we get UC versus Nebraska. I had
Phil Steele on my show on Friday. Phil Steel's high
on the Bearcats, he said, and I've got his preseason
publication and he wrote in the blurb the Bearcats. I
expect the Bearcats to surprise people this year. He picked
him eighth in the Big Twelve. I asked him, what

(38:09):
would you set the line at for UC Nebraska the
first game? Then he said three and a half. He's
got a Raska favored Okay. Now, the books that have
Week one lines out there have Cincinnati getting six and
a half to seven and a half. Phil Steele thinks
the game is going to be a little bit closer.
I like this. He is among everybody that I have
talked to like. He does a preseason publication, so you

(38:30):
and I can get away with man. I don't know
he can't write. I don't know about these teams. Yeah,
he can't. Well you know what I don't. I mean
you could, he'd write that about half the teams in
college football. He did write that he thought the Bearcats
would surprise people this year. He's higher on Brendan Soresby
than a lot of folks as well.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
How how big of a dog were the Bearcats when
they ruined Chip Kelly's UCLA debut.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Oh, we can look that up. I think about a touchdown. Yeah,
I think about a touchdown quarterback in that game. So
the Bearcats the year before that UCLA game were worse
than last year's U SEE team was.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yes, I don't think it's closed. Yes, you have to
remember Luke Fickles first year. They were abominable, acious, atrocious, not.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Exactly great last year, but they didn't win five games,
and they were five and two at one point. But
I think that first game is enormous because I think
it's the same dynamic. It's a chance to get the
fans to pay attention again. Can we briefly talk about
what Jermaine Burton is wearing. Yes, So Jermaine Burton's had
a very good camp. I talked about him on my
show on Friday. It's got to start somewhere. Teammates are

(39:36):
starting to say some nice things. He is wearing like
a full beach town. It's a beach town, like a
full Bengals beach towel. It's incredible. It's it's hanging out
of the back of his shorts. We're hanging out of
the back of his football. It's almost down to his ankles.
That doesn't look comfortable. What purpose does it serve? Help me?

Speaker 4 (39:53):
And if he's able to run at that speed and
that towel stays in right, how.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Deep is that tucked in? Yeah? Waste.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I mean, I think we're only seeing half the towel.
It doesn't look I've never seen a player wear a
larger towel than what Jermaine Burton has on right now.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
They typically wear towels, and they look like all of
them have towns like this towels. He's wearing a beach
towel like you you it looks like you would take
that to like the beach water park or something into
that place was still open, Yeah, Coney Island.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Coney Island, if that place was still still open, it
is Uh. It's one of those things like it's jarring
to look.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
At, but you know what, if it works for him,
make it happy. He's having a good camp. We're all
rooting for him.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah, this is the first day he hasn't won the
pants as wells with like the Capri Joggers on every
day he has. Yes, So maybe just trying to you know,
maybe he's a big sweater. Jake Browning with a time
to uh, I'll leave this right in a lap.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Is the ball the former bearcat with where's fowl? Touchdown
grab man? And then we just saw one through the
hands of Rashad Owens.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah, one's best rep of camp. No to this point.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
You know, we on our show we give out the
Moeger Award, which is the award for the wide receiver
who starts to elicit just a little bit of buzz.
I'm not sure that we have established a front runner
for that award quite yet.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
No, it is it's that you don't hear from the
uh I get what. I don't know if you the
bottom of the roster guys, not if any bottom of
the roster guys have made impact plays yet.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
But it's it's also a team like we're not talking
about those guys nearly as much we used to when
the Bengals were projected to be bad. Like if you
remember the last few years of Marvin Lewis's time when
they were not a playoff team. Every summer we were
parsing through, you know, the bottom of the depth chart
at every position, trying to figure out who's gonna make it,

(41:52):
trying to figure out which guys might end up assuming
larger roles. You we could, we could argue or or
debate how good this team is going to be this year,
but the roster itself is largely set and a whole
lot of gigs open, so it makes less sense to
pick through the bottom end of this.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
The depth chart as it's current that's constructed is a
really good, really good thing.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I mean, there have been camps and you and I
have done it where you you just you go through
and it's like, holy crap, there's like a half dozen,
eight maybe ten jobs open.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
I remember doing camp. It made the camp process harder
because you're trying to watch so many guys that have
a chance to make the team. Yeah, you don't really
have that this year, right we do have rain drops.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Falling right now, so there show something we are looking
directly to the west, and it's it's cloudy back there.
The clouds roll in, and what's going to be interesting
to me is to see which of our esteem media
members like Lance strikes me as like first hint of
rain drop see out yep, I mean like. And what

(42:59):
he'll do is try to go under our tent because
he's an employee, and that's fine. Lance is allowed. Trags
would probably run. Trags works for us. Tracks is allowed.
As soon as the right hits yeah, Trags will be
out of here. Absolutely no, he's got a banana panco.
It's seven away from eleven o'clock. All right, we are
here at Bengals training camp. The team is about to

(43:22):
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the clouds, I said, coming quick about four minutes ago.
They weren't that foreboding. Now I would call them ominous.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Oh ominous is the word the defense is using right
now after Jamar Chase just got opened down the sideline.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
So we're going full eleven on eleven.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yes, I would imagine that they bumped this up right
to try to get at least some team work in.
Because what's interesting now is you probably have forty five
minutes to an hour left in practice.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Do you go immediately to the bubble or do they
go inside and finish their work inside.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I don't know, I don't know the answer. What do
we got? Why why have a practice bubble if I'm
not going to go where do we go right now?
Todds Brooks catching a checkdown pass? Why have a practice
bubble if you're not going to go inside? The question
is what happens to us? Look, I care about this,
I care about training camp. I care about the Bengals.
I want them to have a great practice today. Yes,
I want all the fans to have a great experience.

(45:17):
I'm most worried about me.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, I've got a metal rod still in my arm.
If you notice, I'm hanging it lower than everything else
right now. Oh, these these headsets that we're wearing, Yeah,
probably not Nope, conductors, they would probably say.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Probably very good conductors of electricity. All right, we'll step aside.
Coming up on eleven o'clock A Door and Window Tony
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Here's what's happening right now at Bengals training camp. Practice.
It's raining. It doesn't look like it's gonna let up

(46:40):
really anytime soon. The team itself be lined it into
the practice bubble. So practice, the outdoor public portion of
practice is over. We are still underneath our tent.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
If we need any guests, there's every member of Bengals
media and the ten.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Next to us, so folks who cover the team. I mean,
just hit. I mean, that's the most amount of media
people you will see in one area where there's not
food being served, so they're all huddled together, these poor
fans out here.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
We're gonna we're gonna test how well this tent is.
UH is tied to the ground as well because we're
getting some wind gust right now.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So I have not heard any thunder. I have not
seen any lightning. So this doesn't look like it's necessarily
gonna be an unsafe scenario for folks here. It is tough.
Today's crowd a very good one, lots of folks. We
talked about how deep the line was well before nine
thirty this morning. It's there's one way in and out right,

(47:41):
and so if you're here, you're stuck in line getting
rained on and again. It's right now, not lightning, right now,
not thundering. The unfortunate thing is you come to training camp,
especially if you have kids, thinking, you know, autograph a
picture or something like that. That's not gonna happen. Today
is a day you want to be in the VIP.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Area because if you're in the VIP area, you've got
some food and drinks so you can partake in.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
A little bit. Those folks are costs.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
They're happy, they're happy, they got excited, they got cocktails,
they got libations, they're good to go.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
They yeah, And it's a large tent, yes, so I
would say a deep tent. Today the first day of
padded practice. They got in eleven on eleven what maybe
ten minutes worth.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah, I think they moved it up to try to
get in some Now Again, the luxury that they now
have is being able to go into the practice bubble
and continue to work. Unfortunately for us, there's really nowhere
in there that we get to set out.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I think it's tough call logistically for them because you
could look at the weather right I'm watching the official
meteorologists of the Moegger Show, Jennifer Ketchmark this morning when
she's talking about like midday rain. Yeah, at the same time,
you got a lot of folks who are going to
come out and check out training camp, and they've you know,
altered their schedules to come out, and it's it's it's

(49:01):
tough from a pure football perspective. I wonder if this
was not a public practice, if they if this was
one of those you know, training camp practices later in
August when no one's here, would they have just said,
screw it, we're gonna start all right? You know it
is Uh, it's later in the day.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
It's tough though, because like you said, I mean, there
are so many fans, yes that have come. I mean
it's been they've been filing out for a while now,
and they're still clear across from us filing out from
a single file line.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
It is.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
It's hard because it's a situation, and we talked about
last week. They make this as fan friendly as possible.
They're very, very accommodating to the fans here, and it's hard.
It's hard for those in the You think of the
VIP ten who you know, you get one or two
opportunities to be in there, you know, So it's it's
a lot to ask, but you're obviously dealing with the
safety safety of everyone, Yeah, including us right now, as

(49:53):
these wind gusts are now starting to lift the tent
that we're broadcasting under.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Uh yeah, this is we're we're about to see if
this thing can fly, you know, we're I think we're
about to find out if this tent. Speaking of flying,
you're about to see how fast I can run. I
was watching the documentary over the weekend on Netflix about
balloon Boy. Yeah, balloon Boy, I watched that last night. Yeah,
incredible weirdo folks that built a flying saucer and like

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took off Sunday. I thought the kid was in it
and that that thing got some that you know it
traveled like thirty miles. Yeah, I'm wondering if this tent
is going to be like that flying saucer flying away
an It is what you have to love here is
what all the like, adults including us, huddled under our tents,

(50:39):
trying to stay dry. Kids. Group of kids out here
just playing some ball, throwing some boat. Don't care because.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Remember the old high school games where the game will
be going on and then like in the end zone area,
all the kids would be playing.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
That's kind of what's happening. That's what's going on here.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, this guy wearing the Chase jersey just made a night.
We could break down what's going on with this kid's game.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
We could.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
There's Burrow, there's Chase, there's Higgins, got everybody, They got
a little a little bit of everything.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
This well, Logan Wilson has a tent to himself. It's
like they've divided up camp. There's a defensive guys off.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Let me tell you if I was down here as
a uh Ticketmaster VIP guest, yeah, I would be Uh,
I would be enjoying this delay.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
The good news is in all seriousness, like for years,
you could if you're doing sports talk radio and you're like,
you know what, I need something to harp on today.
You could pull off the shelf Bengals indoor practice facility
and there was never any downside to it, Like, there
was never any there was never a reason, you know what,

(51:42):
don't build one this This is why we harped on
it right to be able to get work in when
stuff happens at the drop of a hat. And it
was pretty interesting. You know what, There's ninety guys in camp,
there's staffers, there's coaches. It it's like they knew it
was coming. They they were they were running a play.
The whistle blew and then very efficiently they all head.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
To the bubble and I will say, and you hit
on it. Credit to them because you understand how big
this is for fans to start practice out here.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It's tough decision, right, it's it because.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
When we started it because of how hot it is
and these weather can pop up so much. When we
started it was supposed to rain around noon. Yeah, and
then that obviously the timeline gets moved up. The heat
has a lot to do with that. But it's it's
a it's a lose.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Lose when when you have to make a decision like that.
Had they decided this morning, I don't do well in
the rain. Had they decided this morning, we're going to
go inside, fans complain and not that I would blame you.
Imagine if it didn't rain till eleven thirty in while
you could have got it in and and yeah, and
now you know, doing what they're doing. I'm sure in

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some corners of the Internet or even the non Internet,
they'll take some some heat for starting to practice and
then moving it inside. It's it's a no end situation. Yeah,
it's it's tough, but the rain it is led up
just a tiny tiny bit. Yeah, I tell you what,
you are going to see mutiny though, if they take

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this tenth that the media is huddled under.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Him, they should why ain't what's the mean? They should
be in there covering the squad. They should be relaying
to us what's happening in the bubble.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah, we would be nice to have like an emissary
if you Yeah, you know, somebody who is a telling
us what's going on as the Bengals practice indoors. As always,
when you say the rains lighting up, it picks up heavier. Yeah,
we have not. I haven't heard thunder, I haven't seen lightning.
So that's a good thing. That's a good thing. Yeah,
everybody seems just moisture. Everybody is wet, but it feels

(53:43):
like everybody is safe. Yeah, so like he here's the
deal man, like we we knew we're doing. Have some
veterans too, I mean Richard Skinner, This ain't the first.
Ain't the first rain to lay Richard Skinner sat. He
doesn't look flustered at all. Yeah, this cool colmic. He
looks like you know, Marshall Kramsky. They they look like
they know what was going on. Some of the others.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Yeah, there's a couple of media members that don't know
what they're doing in the rain. But you could see
the folks that have huddled.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Under this tent. I think Rappine just left. Yeah, like
he just went home. He booked it. He bound enter
the jungle. How about stay in the jungle. He's nowhere
to be seen. Yeah, which is you know, kind of disappointed.
Maybe he's inside righting this next story. It could be
he could be doing that. But I think there's something
to toughing it out with your peers. Yeah, your brethren.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I'll tell you what, toughing it out when you only
get about forty five minutes of practice, You can be
toughing out some training camp reports this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
With all the action taking place on the other side. Yeah, well,
uh you call this chicken salam unique challenge for you. Yeah, Hey,
tomorrow you're gonna be doing training camp reports and there's
no practice.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah, so you'd want something to rely on from the
previous day. We don't have much of that as well.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
All right. Uh so, right now, what we could tell
you is practice is indoors. We are outdoors. The rain
is coming down. It has slowed a little bit, but
it is still steady. Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
And so the mand news is that they're not going
to come back out of the bubble and resume practice
on the field.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
No, they're done today. Yeah they're there. We won't see
they're done out They they're inside practicing, but they're done
outdoors for today. Let me ask you this, if you're
a coach. Okay, Zach even said the other day, we
love having the fans out, but after a while, we're
excited for the fans to not be there. Yeah. As
a coach who's objective is to get work done, Yeah,
you don't mind this is this, Yeah, and the disruption

(55:29):
is not easy, but it's going outside and being inside
and being just it's you guys, and that's it easier
than being out here.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
And if you think of the accessibility of the bubble,
it's probably from start from stop to start again. You're
taking ten minutes right because you're in the middle of
a team drill. So it's not like you're gonna have
to go in there, stretch, get back up. You're gonna
you're gonna build yourself back up a little bit, but
you're gonna be able to get started and get all
of your work done. And from a coaching staff that

(55:57):
avoids distractions, it avoids anything else going on, you don't
mind days like this.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
All right, We're going to quickly step aside. It's the
AE Door and Window Tony and Moe Training Camp Show.
If you're thinking ahead for the rest of the week,
today's practice is literally a wash. There is no workout tomorrow.
There will be a practice on Wednesday morning, open to
the public, starting at ten am, and then another practice
on Thursday morning open to the public starting at ten am,

(56:26):
and then on Saturday they've got the big practice inside
the stadium. Yeah, which is always a really cool experience.
That is a Saturday Inch and closer six practices between
now and the preseason opener a week from Thursday. Now,
something really important is there is a cart loaded with
booze that is driving. Is that going to the practice bubble?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
That is The hard thing is is some of those
bottles look to be open, right, you're getting No, you're
getting some water logged liquor. Now, maybe not the best idea.
Maybe wait that one happens. I'm wondering where that cart
full of booze is going.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
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Speaker 3 (57:20):
All right, it is as you hear thunder in the background,
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Speaker 4 (57:35):
Yeah, just U just a reminder, I have a plate
and ten screw still in my arm.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, so we now have a thunder and lightning happening
right now. If you're just joining us, it's the ae
Dorn window Tonian Mode Training Camp show on ESPN fifteen
thirty practice. What about twenty minutes or so ago was
moved inside. They were in the middle of eleven on
eleven drills. We can tell you our our guy Austin

(58:01):
relaying to us that from the handful of media members
who are inside the bubble, like James Rapine as James
in there, Jay Morrison is in there. We have word
that Shamar Stewart is knocking down Jake Browning passes Shamar
Stewart's first NFL padded practice. Here we go, and you
gotta think, like Jake, doors open now for.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Desk, So that that's what I took it as guys
getting too many balls batted down, bringing.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Someone that doesn't.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yeah, so this is unfortunate though, oh, for a lot
of different reasons. I mean, for I mean selfishly, obviously
you'd like to be able to watch practice and be
able to report on it. But like you said, when
thunder and lightning start getting involved. Yeah, takes things to
a different level.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
That's that's no fun. So fans have been mostly cleared out.
If you haven't been to to Bengals training camp down here,
uh there, there's basically one way in and then you
walk along what is essentially a warning track all the
way past one field all the way across another. And

(59:05):
you know, folks get here and there's not really a
line once you've scan your ticket, I guess, but on
the way out you got to stand in a long
line unless you meet the rush. And so there were
a lot of folks unfortunately who kind of got stuck
in the rain.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
The good news is the rain has Yeah, I'm looking
at the radar right now, it looks like we're in
like this ten minute window the rain is stopped or
we're not gonna get rained on. It is currently not rain,
but the problem is coming after that more rain. It
looks to be the colorful stuff on the radarat, which
is the heavier stuff.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
So uh we yeah, we're being told by Bengals personally
that we should pack it up, okay and get off
the field.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Uh here's what we're gonna do. Uh, We're gonna step
aside yes, and we have a Zach Taylor press conference.
Zach talk with the media about nine today and uh,
we'll hustle to Kenwood.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Yeah, and be good to have the chopper or the
chopper right now.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah. I in fact, I just got a text that
we unfortunately don't have service of the iHeartRadio helicopter. That
makes it tougher. But hopefully I seventy one is good
and clear. I'll beat you there. Austin Elmore is back
in ken Wood and can handle things if we don't
get there quiet on time. So we'll step aside and

(01:00:20):
we'll have Zach Taylor for you. And we do want
to thank the staff for the Bengals for sure keeping
us in the loop.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
As don't want to say, but they have totally just
got told now it's time you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I think we have. I think it's because we have
a little window to get out of here, all right,
So we'll step aside. Zach Taylor. Next a Door and Window.
Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
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Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
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have been chased from the Bengals practice field today due

(01:01:06):
to the weather. The Bengals have moved practice indoors to
the practice bubble and they will be finishing finishing things
up over the next half hour or so. Tony and
Mo are on their way up to our Kenwood studios
to continue the Tony and Moe Training Camp Show. And
while they do that, we want to get you up
to date with everything from the Bengals. Head coach Zach

(01:01:27):
Taylor earlier this morning met with the media. Here is
his press conference in its entirety.

Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
Well, just tonment practiced as far and how it's progressing.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
We're making progress, you know, we're out there yet, but
there's been some encouraging things on both sides and ball
and then some things we got to clean up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
And we're excited.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
You know, we got six more practices until we get
out there and go play Philly, So that's that's our
focus is improving and being ready for that game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
What changes when the Pats come on it's.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
All more physical, you know, so again have been physically
taxing mentally taxing practice so far, but I anticipate this
one being our toughest one yet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
What do you want to see when the just.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
Guys compete, you know, and it's it's not always your focus,
not always your technique, just because the pads come on
and there's a different level physicalness to it. You don't
want to see paintings not a great word, but lose
focus on all the fundamentals that they've been working on
up to this point. You want to see guys that
can can keep their composure.

Speaker 10 (01:02:26):
Last year, Sack, there's a lot of talk focus maybe
on the outside about the inability to tackle finish place defensively.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
With that in mind, certain emphasis this year, this time
to year with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
The pats come on to work on that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
There's an enormous emphasis without the pats on and with
the pats on it's for us. It's it's been a
primary focus every day and the defensive insult meetings, the
team meeting this morning, so it's it's been.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Talked about as much as you can bust but talk
about them. Is it just a matter of bringing guys
for the rounds.

Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
It's no, no, no, no, no. It's not about tackling
and practice. You know, we're not going to ramp that up.
It's about the fundamentally sound, understanding the space you're playing with,
understanding the leverage, understanding the fundamentals we want to play with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
That's all been a point ofmentsis for how.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Much consideration to do more live stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
You can't? Did you have any was it?

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
No? Just we're going to be fundamentally sound, And that's
the focus. And it's something they've worked on every day
on defense with or without the pads on, and something
we'll start with the team obviously today with the pads on,
but taking guys to the ground isn't isn't really a
big part of what we're doing.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Er last year, a big conversation was kind of the
messaging with the rookies and helping the kid up, just
speating that kind of stuff. And there's stuff you felt like, Mark,
you'll take into this year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:03:41):
I think it helps him incorporate themselves quicker into the team.
Understanding the history, understand the history of the players that
we have on the roster, of the veterans we have
on the team. So It's something that I spent a
lot of time in the off season over of course
the summer with those guys. Meet with them one on
one as training camp takes place here, get to know
them on a deeper level, just understand where they're coming from,
what them understand where I'm coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
And so so far.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
Again with the six draft picks and the undrafted guys,
I feel like we're after a good start with that.

Speaker 11 (01:04:07):
A couple of years ago, you didn't have any rookies
for playing prominent role right away. Like they see you
have at least three guys compete for starting spots. That
was good at all give you over the last couple
of years.

Speaker 9 (01:04:16):
Hard to compare it to a year's past, but I
think there's a lot of guys. There's a lot of opportunity,
and maybe it's not always as a starter right away,
although we're always open to that, but there's there's some
key roles up for grabs. You know, for a lot
of these guys that have come in the door.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
It feels like in training keep when the when the
past come on, that's usually where there's a higher chance
of a scuffle breaking out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Is there anything you say to the guys before the
before pass go on.

Speaker 9 (01:04:40):
I mean, sometimes that energy is a good thing. You know,
guys are just competing. Don't take it too far, don't
take it in the locker room. It's a really physical,
emotional game. And and so sometimes that stuff's gonna happen.
There's no rules. I mean, it's just you know, the
players typically guide that. Sometimes things need to happen a
little bit. Sometimes it rams the energy up another level.

(01:05:02):
In practice, I think our guys know how to treat
each other and ultimately it's the same team, same goals.
But again, I don't want to restrict anybody's emotion as
they're out. They're competing, but we don't want to take
it too far.

Speaker 12 (01:05:15):
That's it's apply In terms of me, I'll engage that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:19):
Yeah, I'm not quick to put a label on any
unit right now, any any position group, any unit until
we get a little deeper in training camp and you know,
you've really got a lot of reps to assess, and
and so again I would say there's enough right now.
I think they're doing doing everything we're asked them to do.
It's really encouraging. I think the focus has been outstanding.

(01:05:39):
I've seen a lot of the d linement to your
question outside of the meetings, you know, trying to get
some extra walk through reps with each other going through it. So, uh,
the the dedication is there from the group, and so
now we'll put the pads on and give it another
week and kind of see where we're at.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Made a decision to bring us side back on a
one year deal.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
What did you like about the way he finished last
season and why did you guys feel like.

Speaker 9 (01:06:02):
He was important that he's a big part of our
locker room. I think he's really taken on a leadership
role as he's been here now what fifth year, And
so again I like being around him. He brings tremidous energy.
You know we're getting from Joseph every single day, There's
no doubt about it. You know what practice haberature going
to get, what kind of energy you're going to get, What.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Is placed that I was going to be.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
He's got the respect of the coaches and the players
in the locker room, and I think he's really picked
up where he left off last season. And so again
I'm excited to watch Joseph play this year. The running
games on an obviously well finishing blocks you you have
a little bit of more of an indication of how
the play is going to turn out, you know, without

(01:06:41):
the just the tag offs worth thud mode now, but
you get a better feel for what holes are going
to open up and what backs, what kind of vision
they have. So again it's you get a better look
probably at the running game than we have the first
four days of practice. But again it's something let's get
some more practices under a belt before really accessful rap
because a lot of it's install and so sometimes you

(01:07:02):
try not to be but sometimes it can be mismatched
a little bit against the other side of the balls installed,
So a run play might get out the door because
of something they're working on a defense and vice versa
on offense. And once you get a couple of weeks
under your belt here out really starts to even out
and you're more true to form on what your unit's
trying to get accomplished.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
At what point do you start to feel comfortable putting
labels on things? I get what point in the during
training camp, pre season do you feel comfortable putting labels
on something and really saying this is the.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Through a couple of games, you know it's and those
are just lessons learned from me. Too quick to jump
on a bandwagon and jump off a bandwagon, and you know,
you got to let that thing take time. And sometimes
guys really come on because they really understand maybe some
coaching points better after you get through a game or
two and it's really starts to sink in for him
and you really see truly what that player is about

(01:07:50):
on the field. And so again it's not rushed to
judgment early in training camp. We'd often make the cuts
like we used to, you know, five ten years ago,
when you had to get down to seventy five, in
sixty five, whatever the numbers were. Now you got a
ninety man roster until the final cuts, and so you
really get a chance. So let all this stuff takes
shape before you have to really form firm evaluations on guys.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
DJ Ivy got some reps with the first team yesterday.

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
Do to you know some people being out What have
you seen from his growth over this offseason and so
far in camp. I think growth is a good word.
Dj continues to ascend in a lot of areas on
defense and special teams, and I'm excited to watch him
continue to compete training camp. He's got enjoy being around.
I like what he's about. He's got great lengths to him,
great really good athleticism, so he can play a couple

(01:08:35):
of different spots for you on defense. And I think
Allen the staff doing a good job utilizing him that way.

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
He's got all the corners and opportunities kind of rotate
rouse and see maybe some guys take good rooms together link.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
I'm not so focused on that right now that that's
not any guidance I've given to Al or Chuck or
any of those guys. That's just just kind of how
training camp shakes through. You need to have munch offense line,
a defense line, and DBS.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
To get you through these first couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
So how they rotate those guys on a day to
day basis, I don't I don't dictate that, and again
it's all meaningless is not a good word to say.
But right now we're just in the early part. We
want a lot of reps for guys. What unit they
go with is not a concern for us right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Now, Zach.

Speaker 13 (01:09:16):
Given where Evian McPherson left off last year injured, how
do you feel about how he started so far? And
what do you think about the tweak to how he's
kicking that he's articulated.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
He's making them.

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
He's doing a good job, you know, and I think
the team's got a lot of confidence in him, and
that's never waving for us. I know he went through
some things last year, but right now he's he started
off training camp on a really high note and that
consistency we intend for.

Speaker 10 (01:09:41):
To carry on through camp with the change and how
the run game coordinator is kind of the run skiing
books is there, what's the what's the biggest difference of
age it's going last year this year, and how he's
got the skiing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Bok defense run game coordinator.

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
Well, so, y'all will have work so offensively and a
Frank's offensively. How does now he's not here, how y'all
kind of how does that adjust make.

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
This utilize everybody we got on staff. We got really
really smart people in the room. We had Scott Mike McCarthy.
I think Justin Hill and James Casey will play enormous
roles in a run game this year. They are two
of the brightest at their spots and and guys that
have been here a long time and so increasing their
role makes a lot of sense because I trust their

(01:10:24):
evaluations in the scheme. They put a lot of time
and work into it. Pitch obviously controls a lot of
this too as the coordinator justin Scott. He's got a
break great background, you know, as an online guy in
Denver in Minnesota. So we got a lot of a
lot of good value in the offensive staff room amongst
guys with good ideas and and like we always have
sorted through as the week goes on, regardless of titles,

(01:10:46):
and and we'll put together a really good plan for
our guest.

Speaker 12 (01:10:48):
Do you feel like Jase Brown has to excel at words?
Is probably growing at What do you like for most
about his game right now?

Speaker 9 (01:10:53):
I think he's put a lot of time and attention
into his past game value and and just being able
to be a weapon out there, and so again he's
always always looking to improve as a protector and as
a runner. We're still early in camp. I've been pleased
from everything I've seen from Chase, but again he's when
he can take that next step, which which he has
over the course of the spring of training camp to
be a real pass game value for US uh Twhere

(01:11:16):
you can use him in mismatches and and so that's
that's something he's really worked hard on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You can see that, and we'll try to increase that production.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
What have you seen from Jermaine and just the way
that he's progressed through this offseason.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
He's been consistent, you know, and I think that's the
key word for him, is that can see all the
way through training camp, I've been pleased with his attitude,
really enjoyed being around Germaine. He's always he's always had
a good attitude about things, and so I think the
consistency charge showed up and he's been rewarded for that.
You know, he's gotten a lot of opportunity. He's made
the most of his opportunities. And we'll just keep that
thing going through through training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
For a reason, wait until day five put on the pads,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Day two or sham art, will that effect maybe how
much you guys working in.

Speaker 9 (01:11:57):
Today in the next it's a feel thing. But you
just gotta feel all the way through practice with him.
You know it's again when you're just in the second day,
he's here practicing having not done anything with us, we'll
be caustious of it. And and maybe he'll get a
play in a period and take a break. Maybe he'll
get to maybe he'll get three. I trust Jerry on that.

(01:12:17):
You know, they got a better vision on how practice
is going through individually. You know they're on that far
field individual. So there's a lot of things I don't
I don't see as the course of practice goes, and
trust Jerry now to make good decisions on how to
utilize these guys as we start to integrate him back
into practice.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Is there a path for him to play in the
pre season?

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
Comer, I would say I definitely would not take that
off the table. You know, well, that's not a decision
we have to make today. We didn't know what day
he was going to get here until the day before
he showed up, So we'll just continue to assess where
he's at this week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
We got plenty of time before that game and make
those decisions early next week who's going to play and
who's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Trying to see if Tyson Anderson always show up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
This time and you want to get a lot of snaps,
how do you see this.

Speaker 10 (01:12:59):
Role developing as a leader and maybe get you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Shut he's a confident guy.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
You know he's been here a couple of years now,
overcome a lot of adversity, and so just excited. He's
always had a key special teams role for us, and
he's trying to work his way into defense and we're
giving him that opportunity as well. So he's a guy
who's had a significant impact on our locker room. You know,
got a lot of respect for Tyson and everything he's
gone through to get to this year and had a
couple of injuries of his first couple of years, and

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so excited to see what he can do for us
with the opportunity gets uh.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
This team culture wise, players come and to immediately talk
about just how much this locker room feels different.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
It's something you have on your to do list when
you got here.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
Was this surprised with how fast he's young guys feel
the presence of that culture.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Oh, we we work hard at it. It's not something
we just paid lip service too.

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
It's a constant thought on the forefront of all of
our coaching staff's minds the players. Oftentimes, I got key
players that come to me and are pretty open about
things that help us continue to evolve and things we
need to pay attention to and that's appreciated. I think
that's the best way for us to run our locker room,
and I think it's worked out well for us. And

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it is not something you just take for granted and say,
all right, we put enough time and effort into it,
we're gonna stop and focus on other things. It's something
that we're thinking about going into every single team meeting.
I can publish it that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
That is Bengals head coach Zach Taylor earlier today when
he met with the media ahead of a new week
of training camp practices. The first padded practice for the
Bengals today. This is the Tony and Mo Training Camp Show,
except I'm not Tony or Mo. Tony and Mo speeding
up seventy one North right now on their way back
to our Kenwood studios as the rain chase them from

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the Bengals practice fields. The Bengals are continuing practice inside
the practice Bubble just down the street from pay Corpse Stadium.
Tony and Mo will have updates for you from what's
continued to happen throughout practice today and hopefully they'll be
here in a couple of minutes. We'll have kind of
an extended segment towards the end of the show, but

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we do know the first padded practice has seen some
explosive plays from Bengals rookie defensive end Shamar Stewart, including
a couple of passes batted down. Charlie Goldsmith said that
Shamar had a tackle for loss or what would have
been a tackle for loss if they were live. So
that's obviously good to hear that he has wasted no
time getting acclimated with the Bengals offensive line. We'll take

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a break, We'll come back. This is the Tony and
Moe Training Camp Show here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
Who found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty, All.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Right, welcome back. It is still I think the Tony
and Mo Training Camp Show.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
It is on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks
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most not back yet.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
All these UH you know, these repeated times where you've
talked about how good of an athlete you are. Yep,
maybe we've got some definitive proof.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Now, how about that?

Speaker 13 (01:16:23):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
That was uh, that was interesting today because obviously you uh,
you want to be a part of training camp, but
you also want to be safe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Most here just a few moments after I arrived. My
biggest question, though, now becomes, we were supposed to be
fed at training camp today. Obviously we're not at training
camp anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
What do we do for a meal? We were gonna
be fed by the great folks at the Holy Grail.
Oh my gosh, I got Jim mooring the places to
go before or after or during any Bengals game about that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
The Holy Grail now usually with them when get delayed,
when it rains, we pour at the Holy Ground.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Well, they're because the game tonight. Yeah, so you can't
go to the Holy Grail right now? You can go
this evening before Reds and Rays. No Reds and Dodgers,
Reds and Dodgers. I'm sorry, Yeah, you're you winded. I'm
a little bit run up here. I ran from my
card to the thing, and then I got off the
elevator and I ran here I went I feel like
I went through a training camp practice that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Uh, we didn't get to see a ton of training
camp today. No, we got to see the basics, some
individual work, some routes on air for the wide receivers
in the quarterbacks. What we missed out on as the
one on one stuff, and that, to me was what
I was looking forward to most from today's first PETTED practice.
Now we've seen reports that Shamar Stewart had a good

(01:17:48):
team setting inside the bubble, batted down a couple passes.
Charlie Goldsmith also reported that he had a tackle for
a loss or what would be a tackle for a loss.
They're obviously not tackling at this point, but I would
I would imagine if if you're mapping out some positivity
for Shamar to get his Bengal ten years started, that
would be a good start today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah. Sure, Yeah, made a couple of plays. That's what
you're looking for, right, It's got to start somewhere. I still,
and it's not me choosing optimism, but I'm still optimistic
that he could help this team boost its pass rush
and make the defense better, and that the pressures and
the hurries will translate to this level.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Do you think at all that his joining the team
and signing the contract will have any ramifications with Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I think the Trey Hendrickson thing is so unique because
Trey is unique, that I'm gonna guess it doesn't have
as much of an impact as it might for another
player because what it feels like they're disagreeing over now
is the guarantees beyond year one. Yeah. I don't know
that that's going to change anything. I don't know that

(01:18:57):
the Shamar Stewart thing is going to change anything relative
to either side's position when it comes to that particular issue.
Let me ask you this, if I would have said
to you Friday afternoon, you could have one this weekend,
Shamar Stewart the rookie or Trey Hendrickson, the established vent
Who is it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Like we get one for the future one, No, just
one to get into camp. That guy's gonna show up
to camp right now, Jamar, right just because I think
there's a longer path ahead for him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
So with Chamar, it felt like Boyclok's ticking, Like if
the idea is for this guy to make an impact
this year, he's got to get here. He's got to
get here soon. With Trey Hendrickson, if you are still assuming,
as I am, that no matter what, he's gonna play
week one, and I don't think any of us feel
as good about that assumption as we might for another player.

(01:19:47):
But if you still feel like he's gonna play week one,
then with Trey, you still feel like, all right, there's time.
He'll stay in great shape, he'll show up and know
what to do. He could still be effective. Obviously you
want him here, but it doesn't feel like the clock
is ticking nearly as much as it is with Shamar Stewart.
It's also worth pointing out Schamar Stuart could not practice

(01:20:08):
Friday because he wasn't under contract. Trey Hendrickson is, Yeah,
you are allowed to negotiate while you practice. It's fine
if you don't want to. It's fine if you want
to get fined. But if Trey Hendrickson wanted to come
to practice on Wednesday, he's allowed. He's under contract.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Defensively, let's stick on that side of the ball for
a minute, because I we talked a little bit about
Dax Hill, and we oftentimes with the defense talk about
the ceiling and the floor and what is what's the
ceiling for Dax Hill? I mean, can Dax Hill be
considered a number one shutdown corner? I mean, I know
that we don't know that yet, but his athleticism is

(01:20:46):
through the roof. Obviously, his mental knowledge of the game
to be able to switch positions and pick up on
things is through the roof, and we kind of use
that as Cam Taylor britt as the guy. What's the
ceiling look like for Dax Hill?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Good corner? Is he there? Number two?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
I've seen a lot of training camp highlights and DJ
Turner seems to be on the wrong side of a
lot of those highlights.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I don't even know where you start that conversation, right,
I mean, I guess you would defer to guys who
have played the position, But like it feels like what
al Goldhen is doing is using training camp to just
figure it all out. Now they're using Hill both on
the outside and the slot, right, So you know, I mean,
is he going to be the number two if he's
the slot? Not really, but like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
I mean, I just I think for a defense that
has a lot of questions, he's one of the biggest oh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
No doubt, and like you talk about a guy who
has a lot on the line here. I mean, this
is his fourth NFL season, So like you're starting to
think about, like, all right, you know, you draft a
guy in round one thinking we're going to keep paw
many guys. If we had that conversation already this camp, well,
but that was part of the reasons why you pay
t Higgins. Who else you're gonna pay? Yeah, but because
there's you know, frankly, nobody that you're looking at, going, man,

(01:21:58):
we want to pay that guy. Now, maybe Cam Taylor
changes that, maybe you know, and I'm guessing he will,
Chase Brown will change that, maybe you know, further down
the road to Marius Mims changes that. But like by now,
when they drafted Dax Hill, he was supposed to be
three years in. He was supposed to have replace Jesse Bates,
and you were gonna kind of go, okay, yeah, that's
the guy we want to sign to a second contract.

(01:22:18):
So he's got to play catch up this year and
establish himself as one of those guys that you want
to be a part of this thing moving forward into
the second half of the decade. But I don't know
what a ceiling or his floor is I know what
the athleticism is, but like he's kind of flunked out
at one position, right, he's not proven at the other.

(01:22:38):
I can't assume the ceiling is that high, even though
he did show some flashes before he got right, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
But I think the main problem with the defense that
we're talking about is there are far too many players
that we can have the same conversation about. No doubt,
there's been flashes with Miles Murphy. There's been a flash
with Joseph Osai, but the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
I'm not sure we saw flashes from Miles Murphy last
ye that's yeah, years ago a little bit, but the
consistency's just not been there. Yeah, there's like a lot
of parts. Danners said to me last week, like they
have nine guys on defense who are top one hundred
draft picks. Normally with that, you're fielding a successful defense.
There's no pedigree, like there's still The frustrating thing is

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like just look at the secondary. All those names are familiar,
but we still don't know anything about him. Like we
know the names, we don't know that much about the players, right,
much like the d line, Okay, on the defensive line,
like they like Chris Jenkins, and they like McKinley Jackson
and understandably so. But like we're still talking about potential
and upside and even to a slight degree with Joseph Osai,

(01:23:40):
Like we are talking about a lot of players. I
think the one commodity that is established that you would
feel pretty good about is Logan Wilson. Sure that maybe
if he's not a Pro Bowl caliber player, you still
look at him and go, he does everything Al Golden
wants him to do. He's solid, he's a solid player,
he's consistent. Who are the difference makers though?

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Who are the guys that have posing offensive coordinators are
going to go that guy right there, can't screw us up.
One's not here. Yeah, the one is not here, right,
I mean that's I think that's Unfortunately, that's the answer.
Say what you want about Trey Hendrickson and you think
he's one dimensional, he's the guy that's he fits that description.
There's nobody else who really does.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Because on the other side of the ball, you talk
about keeping coordinators up, Jamar Chase, te Higgins, Joe Burrow,
the Chase Brown, Like everything about the offense is proven.
Commodities right now, again, can he stay healthy Chase Brown
workload over the course of a full season.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
But you know, you've been in those offensive game planning
meetings like, Okay, who's the guy that we got to
make sure this guy doesn't screw up everything we're trying
to do. It was it's Trey He's not here. It's
gonna be thirty one by the end of the very
very easy defense to prepare for. I mean, you know,
from a again, the secondary, there's still just like a
whole bunch of just guys. Now, there's guys with upside, right,

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and there's guys who have shown tiny and there are
players who have been drafted early. It's not like they're
sifting through a bunch of undrafted college free agents or
even a whole bunch of like washed up has been
you know who came over from other teams street free agents.
But it's a very unproven unit. Yeah, there's just a
lot of questions, a lot of questions around this. We
got our question answered today, what happens if we have

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bad weather?

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
You know what I like most about the questions that
we got to answered today is that they were nice
enough to come out and say, Okay, now's the time
where you guys probably got to head out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yeah, because I mean there was no quit in us.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
No, we wanted to be down there for the long
we were still going to be down there for the
foreseeable future.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
We were we were pushed away. So it's gonna be
a non training camp show day tomorrow, right, and then
we're back at it on Wednesday, hopefully with better weather
and get a chance to watch the team for a
whole two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
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