December 9, 2025 • 21 mins
Tony and Austin talk Reds and Bengals with Joe Danneman from FOX19 on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back since E three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports station. Let's dive right into it. Our Tuesday guest
bump back a couple of minutes. Well, let's face it, Uh,
we receive free montgomery In. So Danaman had to wait.
I feel like I haven't talked to Danaman in months. Yeah,
because of the last couple of Tuesdays I've been out.
But Danaman is joining us now from Fox nineteen Joey
(00:25):
d what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hie Pike? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let me ask you a question about eating montgomery In? Sure? Now,
my wife will not go to montgomery In with me
because when I get a full slab of rips, I
won't stop maybe eating to clean my hands and clean
(00:51):
my faith, because what's the point. Sure, I'm up. I'm
of the school that you eat the entire slab before
you start to clean. Otherwise you're gonna go fifteen napkins
about twenty seven wet wipes. So why not just wait
until the very end and create a big mouth of
wet wipes and napkins when you're dute?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So you're with me on that, I'm with you now,
I'll I'll lick the fingers a couple of times, but
I'm not. I'm not bringing the wet nap. The wet
wipes out every time I pick up the ribs.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's antie licking of the finger guy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
But like, do you not take a drink of anything
or do you put your your your grubby paws on
the on the glass.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, you're using the bottom of your palms then to
get your drink, right, you know, you're dripping it there
and drinking that way, not to use the fingers.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's well said, well said.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I think we should put like a bucket of water,
you know, like you do with them, you know they
do with water colors, dip and just you know, go
in there and do that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I think that would I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it.
I mean, I think Dean's still out there. I can
run out there and ask him real quick. I see
if you'll incorporate that. Okay, that was in your opinion,
and Joe was the Kyle Schwarb or anything that actually
had traction. I caught myself buying in earlier today. I'm like,
all right, there's enough out there. This seems like it
could be real. I also think that there's an element
(02:11):
to it where, if you're Kyle Schwarber, it's probably smart
to lead on in a way like that, for Philly
to say, Okay, we will give you a fifth year.
We'll bump this up a little bit more. Did it
ever feel like an actual realistic possibility for you.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's why I was always skeptical. And I go back
to even interviewing him in the summer when the Phillies
came to town and we asked him a couple of
questions about coming to Cincinnati. And I'm not saying he
was disingenuous, but you think about a guy who was
playing the long game of planting those seeds, even back
at the All Star Game when he came to Cincinnati,
and when he visited Middletown a couple of weeks ago,
(02:47):
just to go out there and say, you know what,
it would be a cool thing. Young Kyle Schwarber always
dreamed of playing for the Reds and that bumps up
maybe the Phillies off for just a little bit. So
I can't really speak from his end on how much
interest there was or if he was using that as
smoke to get more money from the Phillies. But I
can say with all sincerity the Reds made a realistic
(03:09):
run to try to get him. And when I say realistic,
obviously there were limitations. They were never going to be
able to reach the amount of money that Philadelphia ultimately
gave him. But when it came to getting creative with
the deal and being flexible and wanting to use deferred
money and being willing to trade players to make the
maths work, Yeah, the Reds saw an opportunity here to
(03:32):
sell seats, to sell tickets, and to get a guy
in here who could be a big difference maker for
the team on the field and inside the clubhouse. Now
the question is how do they pivot? Because if they
were willing to go out and get creative and do
everything they could to try to get Kyle Schwarber, does
that then open the door for them to look at
(03:54):
other free agents, I at least free agents on his tier.
I doubt it. It kind of felt like a rare
opportunity of a guy maybe taking a bit of a
hometown discount, maybe making an exception in the red payroll
and financial plan to bring a guy like him in here.
(04:15):
So I don't know if they're going to pivot to
a SAT tier. But certainly, I think the interest was
real for the Reds, and I think they actually did
make a pretty darn good effort to get him. It
just was the Phillies are a great team, and they
have a lot of money, and at.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The end that one out switch gears to the Cincinnati Bengals.
It was a very Newsworthy day yesterday. Can you rate
these three from least to most surprising? Jermaine Burton has
been released, Trey Hendrickson's going to have surgery now, and
the Dolphins Bengals game was flexed out of prime time, So.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Least surprising would be Jermaine Burton. I don't know what
took fourteen weeks for this team to finally cut bait.
We need to move on from this guy. I will
put number two at flex. I think we all saw
that coming for multiple weeks, even though the Bangles are
now very interesting to watch with Joe Burrow back, and
all of a sudden, the Dolphins are a playoff contender
(05:15):
who were as hot as anybody in the AFC right now,
and then Trey Hendrickson. It just kind of felt like
it was getting to this point. Certainly, No one knew
if it was going to get to surgery, but we
all kind of had an inkling in our head that
perhaps Trey Hendrickson's time in Cincinnati was over, that he
wouldn't take another snap for the Bengals. And it feels
(05:36):
that way unless some kind of a miracle run happens
and they can extend this season by two months, and
that feels about as likely as Lloyd Christmas and you're
telling me there's a chance, So yeah, I would rank
them Leads, Surprise, Jermaine Burton, then Flex, and then Trey Hendrickson.
And it's a difficult thing with Trey Hendrickson, right because
(05:57):
it feels like in sports people pick sides. And it
felt like the pendulum swung a little bit with Trey
Hendrickson and the way things worked out with the contract
and the holdout and him not being here at training camp,
and then it swung again when he was mysteriously out
we never knew exactly what the injury was, and then
(06:19):
finally it ultimately gets to this point and I'm just
curious how his time will be remembered in Cincinnati if
he ultimately doesn't come back here next year.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So the time in Cincinnati, they do have the option
to franchise tag him again. When you look at the
current roster at defensive end, Shamar Stewart is an unknown,
Miles Murphy has played better, JOSEPHO size in a contract year.
Is there is there any path out there that you
do see the Bengals trying to franchise tag him and
(06:47):
whether that's tag him to play again next year or
tag him to make it easier to trade, is that
a viable option?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, you talk about leverage that Kyle Schwarmer had,
Imagine the leverage that Trey Hendrickson. Yeah have Looking at
this roster and I think if you look at Sjamar Stewart,
Miles Murphy, Joseph o'side that that certainly can't be your
top three defensive ends going into a season and you
expect to be a Super Bowl contending team. Those guys
might be rotational players, they might be solid pros, but
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if you need a difference maker as a defensive end,
none of those three guys has shown they can be
a consistent chaos creator in the backfield. And the Bengals
had that with Trey Henderson, and when they had that,
they were at their absolute best defensively. But if you're
looking at this from the Bengals perspective on Trey Hendrickson,
even though he poisoned the water, so to speak, and
(07:41):
maybe this was Trey Hendrickson's play to upset ownership enough
that they just wanted to get rid of him, wipe
their hands clean, and let him go in the offseason.
If you have an asset like Trey Hendrickson, it's hard
to let him walk out the door without tagging him
with the idea of trading him. Now you would get
(08:03):
a competanatory pick if you didn't do that. That's a
very important factor here. But if I were looking at
the guy just as an asset, I would think the
best business decision moved to make for the Bengals would
be to tag him with the idea of trading him.
But they just found out this season that maybe the
(08:23):
trade market for Trey Hendrickson isn't as good as they
thought it would be. And now he's coming off what's
pretty major surgery. When you're talking about a core muscle
surgery that would keep him out for a month and
a half, what's the trademarket going to be for a
guy that's his age coming off that surgery and has
proven he can be kind of difficult to work with,
(08:44):
and you don't want to get stuck paying whatever the
price will be for Trey Hendrickson and then not have
a trade partner.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The feel around this team, Joe, in your opinion, because
it felt and I thought they took that ten point
lead in the fourth quarter against Buffalo like, man, they
can do this, that they can make this run and
then to have it fall apart in a way that's
all too familiar this year, the third and fifteen scramble
from Josh Allen, which put the final nail in the coffin.
From just a team standpoint, from just a vibe standpoint, Joe,
(09:13):
where do you feel like this team is right now
with four games remaining, but dealing with such a blow
on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's the most what could have been feeling inside that
room that I've felt for the Cincinnati Bengals, because what
we saw Sunday was it. I mean, they're the Bangles
are holding the bill to eighteen points midway through the
fourth quarter. Joe, Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins look
like their elite selves, And you say to yourself, Oh
(09:43):
my gosh, the James Cook fumble. This is what it
felt like in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two
that when the Bengals needed a play, I thought back
immediately when James Cook fumbled to the Von Bell Ramandre
Stevenson fumble inside the five yard vine against New Patriots,
and those kind of feelings where it just felt like
the Bengals were always going to find a way to
(10:06):
get a win even when it felt like they deserve
to lose a game. And it felt that way on
Sunday in Buffalo against there should be playoff team in December.
The Bengals are gonna come here and do this, and
already being pointed at as kind of the it team,
the dangerous team again in the AFC North. Now that
talk outside of the Cincinnati from all the national talking
(10:28):
heads is going to get even louder, and the Bengals
might do this, they might grab momentum, and then you
just realize, in twenty twenty five, the defense just can't
get stops when they absolutely have to have them, And
that to me was my worry before the game. I
figured it would be a fourth quarter game. I figured
the Bengals would have a chance to win the game
(10:48):
in the fourth quarter, but could they get that one
or two stops they have to get and they couldn't
do it. And it's epitomized by third and fifteen, third
and seen, and no one has eyes on the quarterback
running free for twenty yards in a game ceiling play.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The quarterback Josh Allen, by the way, not Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yes, right, we all know. Everybody knows. Okay, Josh Allen,
you're going to take a safe pass here in a
completion to keep the clock rolling, or he's going to
be looking to run to keep the clock rolling and
try to get it first down. And it's a lack
of instincts right on the defense. That's gonna be the
biggest thing. We can talk about talent and coaching and whatever,
(11:33):
but there is a lack of instincts from too many
players on this defense. And you saw it on that
play on.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The offensive side of the ball. I was surprised how
many folks I had in my mentions talking about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Let them down. This is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Losses on Joe Burrow, he made a bad play. I
think if he gets that snap cleanly, he can change
arm angles and he made the right read in my opinion,
just made a bad play. Should have just should have
ate it, or should have thrown the ball away He
didn't the next that's a fluke thing where a defensive
lineman gets his hand on the ball, but it drove
into me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Over the last couple of days, Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Joe Burrow essentially has to play perfect football for this
team to have a chance to win. And I can't
imagine how stressful and frustrating that would be as a
player to have that feeling every single game.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And he's said that publicly before that he has to
play damn near perfect for this team to win games,
and especially with his defense in twenty twenty five, and yes,
that has to be it has to be frustrating. And
you think about where Joe Burrow is now. He turns
twenty nine, if I'm not mistaken, in the next couple
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of days, and so we're talking about a quarterback who
next year turns thirty years old. And when we talk
about the window all the time with Joe Burrow, and
the window is not closing, and he's got so much
good football left in him, but he's not getting younger,
and it's another year wasted of a quarterback who can
do what he did on Sunday against Josh Allen and
(13:02):
the Buffalo Bills. The Bills came into that game guys
right number one in the NFL in pass defense, giving
up one hundred and sixty yards per game, and Joe
Burrow threw for two hundred and eighty yards and four
touchdowns against the Buffalo Bills. They scored thirty four points.
I mean, how hard must it be for a quarterback
(13:24):
who throws for these kinds of numbers, who throws for
this many touchdowns, and the team just keeps losing games
And it's just like us watching the team. It has
to be even harder for him being on the team,
looking around the room, watching what they are on defense,
and wondering what is there to show for for a
(13:44):
team who knew what they had to fix, who zeroed
in on the defense in the offseason, changing the coordinator,
all the draft picks, adding a free agent or two
that haven't been real difference makers this year? What is
there to show for for all that change? And if
you're Joe Burrow, so that's got to be the scariest
thing going forward. Sure, any quarterback and Patrick Mahons might
(14:05):
not make the playoffs this year. You're not going to
make the playoffs every single year, and at some point
you just have to kind of eat a season and
hope your team sees the mistakes that they have and
the shortcomings they have and fix those holes, and the
Kansas City Chiefs will. The problem is the Bengals have
had multiple offseasons to look at the holes, find their
shortcomings and haven't been able to fix them yet. So
(14:27):
if you're Joe Burrow, how frustrating must that be to
think about next year? Okay, they spend all this time
in the off season, all this capital in the draft,
and the change is minimal for the Bengals right now.
That has to be frustrated.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
The big positive though, on offense, has been the offensive line.
I mean, they're playing as good as a Bengals offensive
line has played in like ten years. How do you
explain that turnaround? And have they done anything different or
is it just reps have equalled better performance.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I certainly think the fact that they settled in on
Dalton Reisner being that guy has really helped this team
in this offensive line gel and sometimes you look back
at the guys like Orlando Brown and Ted Kris who
midseason had really bad performances. Sometimes it's a wake up
call and they just played better football because of it.
(15:22):
But certainly the fact that Dalton Reisner has come in
and stabilized that position has helped this team a lot.
They're running the ball better, they're protecting the quarterback better,
and when you do that with all these weapons. Right now,
the Bengals are putting up all these points. I don't
even know what they're averaging with Joe Burrow as quarterback,
But when you score thirty four in Buffalo and you
(15:44):
score the number of points that this teammate that this
team has scored even with Joe Flacco. Going back to Flacco,
and that was the one thing we talked about when
he got traded for here in Cincinnati's how are you
going to protect a quarterback who can't move with this
offense of line? And they've answered the belt and good
on them. But again, when you look at this team,
(16:06):
it's offense is never the problem. It almost always seems,
and it always points back to a defense to me
that just lacks instincts, that that lacks playmakers and right now,
it's obviously dragging a season down to the point where
they face elimination in week fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Going forward, for this team, you mentioned facing elimination, and
I know that the door is still slightly open. Do
you change how you handle the final games on the
schedule if you are officially eliminated from playoff contention? Or
do you play every game on the schedule the same
way going out?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is this you hinting that possibly.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Not playing Joe Burrow that would be it?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yes, No, I've come around to understanding what Joe is about.
And you know, we can talk here about protecting a
quarterback from himself and putting himself in harm's way, and
the so many questions this organization has in the offseason.
(17:07):
So the one question they don't need to add that
mountain is their quarterback's health. But if Joe is built
and wired one way that to play football. He is
said now multiple times, it's what I love to do,
it's what I get paid to do. And he wants
to put on a show. And people will push back
(17:28):
that athletes are entertainers, and yeah, I get that, But
if he's paid to put on a show and he
wants to put on a show. Let the man cook.
Let him do what he wants to do. Now, if
you get the week eighteen and he's healthy and it
means absolutely nothing, it's the final game of the season,
certainly you might bring him out a little bit earlier,
(17:49):
just just to protect him. But we still have four
games left. And you know how NFL coaches and NFL
players are wired to win. This is the business they're in.
They're in the the business of winning games, even if
it doesn't mean anything to playoff contention. Just look back
to the game against Miami when they almost lost Joe Burrow.
(18:10):
That's just what NFL coaches and players do. They're wired
to try to win. And if Joe wants to play,
I think he's going to and I'm on board with
it now. I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the
way he's played, the way he's talked about it has
changed my opinion and I'm looking forward to watching what
(18:31):
he does here the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I always look forward to what you have coming up
over the next couple of weeks. I'm more interested in
what you have coming up this week. Tell us more
about anything Fox nineteen's got going on.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Still waiting for this Sincy three to sixty night at Bengals.
Now still waiting for Austin and Tony to show up
to our show live tomorrow night, Wednesday Night, Newport on
the Levee at six o'clock. Miles Murphy will be one
of our guests. We are working on a second guest.
(19:02):
Keep locked to my socials for that announcement tomorrow as
we go. Inside the bank was a locker room and
beg players with a four to nine record to make
public appearances in front of their fans. It's an Olympic event.
You know how funny this is. I don't want to
give away too much and peel the curtain back, but
you should see guys like Evan McPherson gets the biggest
(19:24):
kick out of watching the Fox nineteen crew go around
the locker room trying to find guests for this show.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I would imagine you got a no from Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Trey Henderson's agent actually send us an email a few
months ago saying that Trey would like to be on
the show. I said, are you sure about that? Are
you really sure about that? But we tried to get
We tried to get Sean Clifford recently and Sean couldn't
make it for whatever reason. And Evan's like, man, that's tough,
and Jarry's Rapple says to him, He's like, we can't
(19:57):
even get the third stream quarterback. And Evan go, no, no, no,
he's a fourth drip.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, keep trying, keep trying, Danaman, We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I have a great rest of your week. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. This is sincey three
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Men
Welcome back since E three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports station. Let's dive right into it. Our Tuesday guest
bump back a couple of minutes. Well, let's face it, Uh,
we receive free montgomery In. So Danaman had to wait.
I feel like I haven't talked to Danaman in months. Yeah,
because of the last couple of Tuesdays I've been out.
But Danaman is joining us now from Fox nineteen Joey
(00:25):
d what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hie Pike? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let me ask you a question about eating montgomery In? Sure? Now,
my wife will not go to montgomery In with me
because when I get a full slab of rips, I
won't stop maybe eating to clean my hands and clean
(00:51):
my faith, because what's the point. Sure, I'm up. I'm
of the school that you eat the entire slab before
you start to clean. Otherwise you're gonna go fifteen napkins
about twenty seven wet wipes. So why not just wait
until the very end and create a big mouth of
wet wipes and napkins when you're dute?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So you're with me on that, I'm with you now,
I'll I'll lick the fingers a couple of times, but
I'm not. I'm not bringing the wet nap. The wet
wipes out every time I pick up the ribs.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's antie licking of the finger guy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
But like, do you not take a drink of anything
or do you put your your your grubby paws on
the on the glass.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, you're using the bottom of your palms then to
get your drink, right, you know, you're dripping it there
and drinking that way, not to use the fingers.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's well said, well said.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I think we should put like a bucket of water,
you know, like you do with them, you know they
do with water colors, dip and just you know, go
in there and do that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I think that would I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it.
I mean, I think Dean's still out there. I can
run out there and ask him real quick. I see
if you'll incorporate that. Okay, that was in your opinion,
and Joe was the Kyle Schwarb or anything that actually
had traction. I caught myself buying in earlier today. I'm like,
all right, there's enough out there. This seems like it
could be real. I also think that there's an element
(02:11):
to it where, if you're Kyle Schwarber, it's probably smart
to lead on in a way like that, for Philly
to say, Okay, we will give you a fifth year.
We'll bump this up a little bit more. Did it
ever feel like an actual realistic possibility for you.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's why I was always skeptical. And I go back
to even interviewing him in the summer when the Phillies
came to town and we asked him a couple of
questions about coming to Cincinnati. And I'm not saying he
was disingenuous, but you think about a guy who was
playing the long game of planting those seeds, even back
at the All Star Game when he came to Cincinnati,
and when he visited Middletown a couple of weeks ago,
(02:47):
just to go out there and say, you know what,
it would be a cool thing. Young Kyle Schwarber always
dreamed of playing for the Reds and that bumps up
maybe the Phillies off for just a little bit. So
I can't really speak from his end on how much
interest there was or if he was using that as
smoke to get more money from the Phillies. But I
can say with all sincerity the Reds made a realistic
(03:09):
run to try to get him. And when I say realistic,
obviously there were limitations. They were never going to be
able to reach the amount of money that Philadelphia ultimately
gave him. But when it came to getting creative with
the deal and being flexible and wanting to use deferred
money and being willing to trade players to make the
maths work, Yeah, the Reds saw an opportunity here to
(03:32):
sell seats, to sell tickets, and to get a guy
in here who could be a big difference maker for
the team on the field and inside the clubhouse. Now
the question is how do they pivot? Because if they
were willing to go out and get creative and do
everything they could to try to get Kyle Schwarber, does
that then open the door for them to look at
(03:54):
other free agents, I at least free agents on his tier.
I doubt it. It kind of felt like a rare
opportunity of a guy maybe taking a bit of a
hometown discount, maybe making an exception in the red payroll
and financial plan to bring a guy like him in here.
(04:15):
So I don't know if they're going to pivot to
a SAT tier. But certainly, I think the interest was
real for the Reds, and I think they actually did
make a pretty darn good effort to get him. It
just was the Phillies are a great team, and they
have a lot of money, and at.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The end that one out switch gears to the Cincinnati Bengals.
It was a very Newsworthy day yesterday. Can you rate
these three from least to most surprising? Jermaine Burton has
been released, Trey Hendrickson's going to have surgery now, and
the Dolphins Bengals game was flexed out of prime time, So.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Least surprising would be Jermaine Burton. I don't know what
took fourteen weeks for this team to finally cut bait.
We need to move on from this guy. I will
put number two at flex. I think we all saw
that coming for multiple weeks, even though the Bangles are
now very interesting to watch with Joe Burrow back, and
all of a sudden, the Dolphins are a playoff contender
(05:15):
who were as hot as anybody in the AFC right now,
and then Trey Hendrickson. It just kind of felt like
it was getting to this point. Certainly, No one knew
if it was going to get to surgery, but we
all kind of had an inkling in our head that
perhaps Trey Hendrickson's time in Cincinnati was over, that he
wouldn't take another snap for the Bengals. And it feels
(05:36):
that way unless some kind of a miracle run happens
and they can extend this season by two months, and
that feels about as likely as Lloyd Christmas and you're
telling me there's a chance, So yeah, I would rank
them Leads, Surprise, Jermaine Burton, then Flex, and then Trey Hendrickson.
And it's a difficult thing with Trey Hendrickson, right because
(05:57):
it feels like in sports people pick sides. And it
felt like the pendulum swung a little bit with Trey
Hendrickson and the way things worked out with the contract
and the holdout and him not being here at training camp,
and then it swung again when he was mysteriously out
we never knew exactly what the injury was, and then
(06:19):
finally it ultimately gets to this point and I'm just
curious how his time will be remembered in Cincinnati if
he ultimately doesn't come back here next year.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So the time in Cincinnati, they do have the option
to franchise tag him again. When you look at the
current roster at defensive end, Shamar Stewart is an unknown,
Miles Murphy has played better, JOSEPHO size in a contract year.
Is there is there any path out there that you
do see the Bengals trying to franchise tag him and
(06:47):
whether that's tag him to play again next year or
tag him to make it easier to trade, is that
a viable option?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, you talk about leverage that Kyle Schwarmer had,
Imagine the leverage that Trey Hendrickson. Yeah have Looking at
this roster and I think if you look at Sjamar Stewart,
Miles Murphy, Joseph o'side that that certainly can't be your
top three defensive ends going into a season and you
expect to be a Super Bowl contending team. Those guys
might be rotational players, they might be solid pros, but
(07:18):
if you need a difference maker as a defensive end,
none of those three guys has shown they can be
a consistent chaos creator in the backfield. And the Bengals
had that with Trey Henderson, and when they had that,
they were at their absolute best defensively. But if you're
looking at this from the Bengals perspective on Trey Hendrickson,
even though he poisoned the water, so to speak, and
(07:41):
maybe this was Trey Hendrickson's play to upset ownership enough
that they just wanted to get rid of him, wipe
their hands clean, and let him go in the offseason.
If you have an asset like Trey Hendrickson, it's hard
to let him walk out the door without tagging him
with the idea of trading him. Now you would get
(08:03):
a competanatory pick if you didn't do that. That's a
very important factor here. But if I were looking at
the guy just as an asset, I would think the
best business decision moved to make for the Bengals would
be to tag him with the idea of trading him.
But they just found out this season that maybe the
(08:23):
trade market for Trey Hendrickson isn't as good as they
thought it would be. And now he's coming off what's
pretty major surgery. When you're talking about a core muscle
surgery that would keep him out for a month and
a half, what's the trademarket going to be for a
guy that's his age coming off that surgery and has
proven he can be kind of difficult to work with,
(08:44):
and you don't want to get stuck paying whatever the
price will be for Trey Hendrickson and then not have
a trade partner.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
The feel around this team, Joe, in your opinion, because
it felt and I thought they took that ten point
lead in the fourth quarter against Buffalo like, man, they
can do this, that they can make this run and
then to have it fall apart in a way that's
all too familiar this year, the third and fifteen scramble
from Josh Allen, which put the final nail in the coffin.
From just a team standpoint, from just a vibe standpoint, Joe,
(09:13):
where do you feel like this team is right now
with four games remaining, but dealing with such a blow
on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's the most what could have been feeling inside that
room that I've felt for the Cincinnati Bengals, because what
we saw Sunday was it. I mean, they're the Bangles
are holding the bill to eighteen points midway through the
fourth quarter. Joe, Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins look
like their elite selves, And you say to yourself, Oh
(09:43):
my gosh, the James Cook fumble. This is what it
felt like in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two
that when the Bengals needed a play, I thought back
immediately when James Cook fumbled to the Von Bell Ramandre
Stevenson fumble inside the five yard vine against New Patriots,
and those kind of feelings where it just felt like
the Bengals were always going to find a way to
(10:06):
get a win even when it felt like they deserve
to lose a game. And it felt that way on
Sunday in Buffalo against there should be playoff team in December.
The Bengals are gonna come here and do this, and
already being pointed at as kind of the it team,
the dangerous team again in the AFC North. Now that
talk outside of the Cincinnati from all the national talking
(10:28):
heads is going to get even louder, and the Bengals
might do this, they might grab momentum, and then you
just realize, in twenty twenty five, the defense just can't
get stops when they absolutely have to have them, And
that to me was my worry before the game. I
figured it would be a fourth quarter game. I figured
the Bengals would have a chance to win the game
(10:48):
in the fourth quarter, but could they get that one
or two stops they have to get and they couldn't
do it. And it's epitomized by third and fifteen, third
and seen, and no one has eyes on the quarterback
running free for twenty yards in a game ceiling play.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The quarterback Josh Allen, by the way, not Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yes, right, we all know. Everybody knows. Okay, Josh Allen,
you're going to take a safe pass here in a
completion to keep the clock rolling, or he's going to
be looking to run to keep the clock rolling and
try to get it first down. And it's a lack
of instincts right on the defense. That's gonna be the
biggest thing. We can talk about talent and coaching and whatever,
(11:33):
but there is a lack of instincts from too many
players on this defense. And you saw it on that
play on.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The offensive side of the ball. I was surprised how
many folks I had in my mentions talking about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Let them down. This is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Losses on Joe Burrow, he made a bad play. I
think if he gets that snap cleanly, he can change
arm angles and he made the right read in my opinion,
just made a bad play. Should have just should have
ate it, or should have thrown the ball away He
didn't the next that's a fluke thing where a defensive
lineman gets his hand on the ball, but it drove
into me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Over the last couple of days, Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Joe Burrow essentially has to play perfect football for this
team to have a chance to win. And I can't
imagine how stressful and frustrating that would be as a
player to have that feeling every single game.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And he's said that publicly before that he has to
play damn near perfect for this team to win games,
and especially with his defense in twenty twenty five, and yes,
that has to be it has to be frustrating. And
you think about where Joe Burrow is now. He turns
twenty nine, if I'm not mistaken, in the next couple
(12:41):
of days, and so we're talking about a quarterback who
next year turns thirty years old. And when we talk
about the window all the time with Joe Burrow, and
the window is not closing, and he's got so much
good football left in him, but he's not getting younger,
and it's another year wasted of a quarterback who can
do what he did on Sunday against Josh Allen and
(13:02):
the Buffalo Bills. The Bills came into that game guys
right number one in the NFL in pass defense, giving
up one hundred and sixty yards per game, and Joe
Burrow threw for two hundred and eighty yards and four
touchdowns against the Buffalo Bills. They scored thirty four points.
I mean, how hard must it be for a quarterback
(13:24):
who throws for these kinds of numbers, who throws for
this many touchdowns, and the team just keeps losing games
And it's just like us watching the team. It has
to be even harder for him being on the team,
looking around the room, watching what they are on defense,
and wondering what is there to show for for a
(13:44):
team who knew what they had to fix, who zeroed
in on the defense in the offseason, changing the coordinator,
all the draft picks, adding a free agent or two
that haven't been real difference makers this year? What is
there to show for for all that change? And if
you're Joe Burrow, so that's got to be the scariest
thing going forward. Sure, any quarterback and Patrick Mahons might
(14:05):
not make the playoffs this year. You're not going to
make the playoffs every single year, and at some point
you just have to kind of eat a season and
hope your team sees the mistakes that they have and
the shortcomings they have and fix those holes, and the
Kansas City Chiefs will. The problem is the Bengals have
had multiple offseasons to look at the holes, find their
shortcomings and haven't been able to fix them yet. So
(14:27):
if you're Joe Burrow, how frustrating must that be to
think about next year? Okay, they spend all this time
in the off season, all this capital in the draft,
and the change is minimal for the Bengals right now.
That has to be frustrated.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
The big positive though, on offense, has been the offensive line.
I mean, they're playing as good as a Bengals offensive
line has played in like ten years. How do you
explain that turnaround? And have they done anything different or
is it just reps have equalled better performance.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I certainly think the fact that they settled in on
Dalton Reisner being that guy has really helped this team
in this offensive line gel and sometimes you look back
at the guys like Orlando Brown and Ted Kris who
midseason had really bad performances. Sometimes it's a wake up
call and they just played better football because of it.
(15:22):
But certainly the fact that Dalton Reisner has come in
and stabilized that position has helped this team a lot.
They're running the ball better, they're protecting the quarterback better,
and when you do that with all these weapons. Right now,
the Bengals are putting up all these points. I don't
even know what they're averaging with Joe Burrow as quarterback,
But when you score thirty four in Buffalo and you
(15:44):
score the number of points that this teammate that this
team has scored even with Joe Flacco. Going back to Flacco,
and that was the one thing we talked about when
he got traded for here in Cincinnati's how are you
going to protect a quarterback who can't move with this
offense of line? And they've answered the belt and good
on them. But again, when you look at this team,
(16:06):
it's offense is never the problem. It almost always seems,
and it always points back to a defense to me
that just lacks instincts, that that lacks playmakers and right now,
it's obviously dragging a season down to the point where
they face elimination in week fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Going forward, for this team, you mentioned facing elimination, and
I know that the door is still slightly open. Do
you change how you handle the final games on the
schedule if you are officially eliminated from playoff contention? Or
do you play every game on the schedule the same
way going out?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Is this you hinting that possibly.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Not playing Joe Burrow that would be it?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yes, No, I've come around to understanding what Joe is about.
And you know, we can talk here about protecting a
quarterback from himself and putting himself in harm's way, and
the so many questions this organization has in the offseason.
(17:07):
So the one question they don't need to add that
mountain is their quarterback's health. But if Joe is built
and wired one way that to play football. He is
said now multiple times, it's what I love to do,
it's what I get paid to do. And he wants
to put on a show. And people will push back
(17:28):
that athletes are entertainers, and yeah, I get that, But
if he's paid to put on a show and he
wants to put on a show. Let the man cook.
Let him do what he wants to do. Now, if
you get the week eighteen and he's healthy and it
means absolutely nothing, it's the final game of the season,
certainly you might bring him out a little bit earlier,
(17:49):
just just to protect him. But we still have four
games left. And you know how NFL coaches and NFL
players are wired to win. This is the business they're in.
They're in the the business of winning games, even if
it doesn't mean anything to playoff contention. Just look back
to the game against Miami when they almost lost Joe Burrow.
(18:10):
That's just what NFL coaches and players do. They're wired
to try to win. And if Joe wants to play,
I think he's going to and I'm on board with
it now. I wasn't a few weeks ago, but the
way he's played, the way he's talked about it has
changed my opinion and I'm looking forward to watching what
(18:31):
he does here the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I always look forward to what you have coming up
over the next couple of weeks. I'm more interested in
what you have coming up this week. Tell us more
about anything Fox nineteen's got going on.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Still waiting for this Sincy three to sixty night at Bengals.
Now still waiting for Austin and Tony to show up
to our show live tomorrow night, Wednesday Night, Newport on
the Levee at six o'clock. Miles Murphy will be one
of our guests. We are working on a second guest.
(19:02):
Keep locked to my socials for that announcement tomorrow as
we go. Inside the bank was a locker room and
beg players with a four to nine record to make
public appearances in front of their fans. It's an Olympic event.
You know how funny this is. I don't want to
give away too much and peel the curtain back, but
you should see guys like Evan McPherson gets the biggest
(19:24):
kick out of watching the Fox nineteen crew go around
the locker room trying to find guests for this show.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I would imagine you got a no from Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Trey Henderson's agent actually send us an email a few
months ago saying that Trey would like to be on
the show. I said, are you sure about that? Are
you really sure about that? But we tried to get
We tried to get Sean Clifford recently and Sean couldn't
make it for whatever reason. And Evan's like, man, that's tough,
and Jarry's Rapple says to him, He's like, we can't
(19:57):
even get the third stream quarterback. And Evan go, no, no, no,
he's a fourth drip.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, keep trying, keep trying, Danaman, We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I have a great rest of your week. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. This is sincey three
sixty your talkbacks next. Oh goodness, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
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Speaker 5 (20:40):
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