Tony Pike's Cincy 360 -- 11/19/25

Tony and Austin talk Bengals / Steelers, Mock drafts, check in with Mo Egger, talk college hoops, take your TalkBacks, and more on ESPN 1530!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
All Right, good afternoon, Welcome in, Happy Wednesday. First, let
me say I appreciate you joining us here for the
next three hours noon to three on ESPN fifteen thirty
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(00:44):
We got a lot to run through today. We've got
some Cincinnati Bengals updates that we're gonna get to here.
In our number one, Zach Taylor is scheduled to speak
to the media this afternoon. We'll play that at one o'clock.
We'll see if there's any other Jamar Chase comments. We'll
get Joe Burrow update. There are injury updates from Zach

(01:04):
Taylor and the Cincinnati Bengals that we will get to
all throughout today's show. Our phone lines are open five
one three, seven, four, nine, fifteen, thirty our number three Today,
we'll have a college basketball recap of everything that took
place last night. You want to talk about college basketball,
how about Xavier a thirty three point winner over Old

(01:26):
Dominion last night at the Centas Center. We'll recap that.
You'll hear a little of Rick Patino's opening statements after
the win and the loss last night, a non competitive
loss from Mark Pope and the Kentucky Wildcats against Michigan State.
You'll hear a little of Mark Pope's comments with Jeff
Goodman as well. Also in our number three, we don't

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have a chance to do it, but Pat Kelsey, the
head coach of Louisville, caught up with Lance McAllister last night.
We'll play a couple minutes of that leading into Friday
Night's game at Heritage Bank Arena against the Cincinnati Bearcats.
Tomorrow on the show, Wes Miller, will you join us
to preview the UC Louisville game as well? And a
very special guest in our number three, Lana Yulrig, who

(02:09):
is with the Cincinnati Cancer Advisors, is going to stop
by and tell us about something really cool that they
have going on. In a way to benefit and help
support the Cincinnati Cancer Advisor, So we will do that
in our number three. We'll also catch up with Moe
Egger in our number three, Zach Taylor in our number two,

(02:34):
your talkbacks, and a heck of a lot more between
now and then. College football playoff rankings came out last night.
Not much shake up in the top three. The top
three in fact, remain the same in the College Football
Playoff rankings. Ohio State, Indiana, and Texas A and M.

(02:56):
After they're huge come from behind victory against South Carolina
or just slides to number four. Alabama drops all the
way down to number ten after their loss. Texas Tech
is five, Ole, Missus six, Oregon seven, Oklahoma eight, Notre
Dame nine, Alabama ten, Miami of Florida eleven, and Tulane.

(03:17):
Even though their coach doesn't think they should be in
the top twelve right now, they are currently in the
college Football Playoff rankings. Austin, as our resident Ohio State fan,
would you rather be at the end of the year
ranked number one or number two? If this were the
current bracket right now, Ohio State would play the winner
of Oklahoma Notre Dame. Then the winner of presumably Texas

(03:40):
Tech and Georgia, while Indiana would see the winner of
Oregon Alabama and then the winner of Texas A and
m versus Ole miss or Miami's winner.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't love any of those matchups, to be honest.
I feel like the way it's currently set up, Ohio
State would probably be fine with that, which is different
than the conversation they had a week ago. It really
is just impossible to tell what it would look like
at the end, but yeah, I think I would be
I'd be happy with that if I was Ohio State

(04:10):
right now.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ohio State does have questions at wide receiver MM with
with Tate and Jeremiah Smith. Even without that, they beat
Rutgers without any of their wide receivers. They could they
could run well, I mean nine running back in a
quarterback out there and is loaded.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh gosh, you just you never know, you know, with
with Shiano. But sure, no, it's gonna be a senior
day at Ohio State, so obviously it's gonna be an
emotional game. But and I'll tell you the team that
is scariest to me now moving ahead of Indiana is
now Georgia. Okay, Georgia is starting to look like Georgia again.

(04:50):
It feels like Kirby Smart might have those guys kind
of peeking at the right time.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't know what a game against Charlotte's gonna do
to him this weekend, if that'll kind of bring them
back down to earth or whoever it is that they play.
But Georgia is starting to look formidable again, more than
they were at the beginning of this year. And I
think maybe Gunner Stockton is a sneaky heisman Cannibal. Okay,
am I crazy for saying that? No, I mean the
way that he has performed over the last couple of weeks.

(05:16):
I think maybe there's something there.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I also wonder I just they're kind of out of
sight because we haven't seen them much. I think Texas
Tech is a good football team for sure. I think,
I really do. I know they've slipped up once this year,
but I think they can give teams some fits that
would obviously if the College Football Playoff were happening now,

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they would likely take on Georgia in the quarterfinals. But
I think that's a out of the teams that I
look at and say, Okay, I'm still not sold on
Texas A and M, although the second half against South
Carolina was unbelievable. I'm sold on Ohio State, I'm sold
on Indiana, I'm sold on Georgia. Outside of the others,
I don't know if I'm sold much yet, but I
think Texas Tech can be a team that could possibly

(06:00):
possibly make some noise.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I would assume if the bracket is how we expected,
or if it were this bracket at the end of
the year, which would be Miami and Ole Miss in
the first round, I would assume Ole Miss will win
that game, assuming Lane Kiffin's the coach still Ole Miss.
Texas A and m could be the best game of
the playoff. Yeah, Like that actually could be the best

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game of the playoff altogether, much like that game last
year Ohio State played against.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Texas Like that ended up being the best.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
That feels like the national Championship game to a lot
of people because it was so back and forth and
kind of came back down to the last five minutes
of the game. Yeah, but yeah, I feel like you
could have that type of matchup in round two with
Texas A and M and Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
If this holds. Sure, some good college basketball tonight, Arizona Yukon,
a pair of top four teams square off, as do
Alabama and Illinois. Illinois number eight, Alabama number eleven. That's
something to watch in tonight's sports slate as well. Last
night the debut of Lebron James. How about Lebron is
back and the Lakers win big in Lebron's debut. They

(07:07):
put up one hundred and forty on the Utah Jazz
last night. No surprise that Jazz are a terrible, terrible
basketball team, but Lebron played thirty minutes, eleven points, three rebounds,
and twelve assist For Lebron and his first action back
to the nb A, there was a name in Baseball
Austin that there are some folks out there in Reds

(07:28):
Country that were wondering could this be a good fit
for the Cincinnati Reds. The answer will now be no,
because Los Angeles Angels outfielder Taylor Ward has signed with
the Baltimore Orioles. Traded to the Baltimoroles for Grayson Rodriguez,
a pitcher for the Orioles. But Taylor Ward was I
think a name that at least a few people were

(07:49):
floating around for the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and I think that might have been a name
that had been connected to the Reds a little bit
as a name that they'd kick the tires on, which,
as we all know, is as offensive list of players
that the Reds have been interested in. But to me,
what I find interesting is the exchange here. The Angels
get a big league caliber pitcher in return. Now, Grayson

(08:12):
Rodriguez is not the best of the best, but he's
a former first round pick. He's got a war over
two in his big league career. His win loss record,
which we know it doesn't matter but still is twenty
and eight.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Over the course of his career, he's got two hundred
and fifty nine strikeouts over two hundred and thirty eight innings.
That's a quality big league pitcher right there. And I
think it's interesting. I know Charlie Goldsmith has talked a
lot about this. In the past couple of years, there's
been less dealing for prospects. It's been major leaguer for
major leaguer, and that's what this deal was. A quality

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outfielder who hit thirty six home runs a year ago
in Taylor Ward with the Angels goes to Baltimore in
exchange for a big league pitcher, And so I think
that can help maybe chart the path of what the
might look like if the Reds are trying to get
involved in any of these trades. You know, if they're
trying to go and get a guy like Taylor Ward,

(09:07):
they don't really have a crop of players to choose
from out of their bullpen. You might have a guy
in your starting rotation, and has Mo outlined for us
the other day, it's not like there's an extensive amount
of starting pitching in the organization right now that you
would feel comfortable subtracting from. So that makes me wonder
what the path really could be for the Reds this

(09:28):
offseason if they would try to trade again for somebody
who can help the team like they did last year
with Lux and with Singers. Yeah, we have some NFL
news happening right now. The Cleveland Browns are saying that
Shador Sanders will make his first NFL start coming up
this weekend. Speaking of quarterbacks, Michael Pennix is going to
have that season ending ACL surgery.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
He's expected to be out nine months, and Austin ken Anderson,
Roger Craig and others are among the nine semi finalists
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class twenty twenty
six in the Seniors category.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Congratulations to Ken Anderson, Friend of the Show, Ken Anderson's
Friend of the Show. Hopefully yes, this is the year
he gets in.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Also happening yesterday, but I think this was pretty much
as assumed it was going to. The one game suspension
for Jamar Chase was upheld by the appeal committee that
was heard by Jordy Nelson. That is going to cost
Jamar Chase Austin four hundred and forty eight thousand, three

(10:30):
hundred and thirty three dollars and also forfeitting a fifty eight,
eight hundred and twenty three dollars per game active bonus.
So over five hundred, over five hundred for a lookie,
where does that money go?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I believe it is donated to various charities. Well, actually, fine,
money is donated to the various charities. I don't know
where that money goes. I guess the Bengals keep it.
Oh boy, So okay, what do you think was going
through Jordan Nelson's head? Oh when he reads this appeal?

(11:10):
If I was trying to spit on him. I would
have spit in his face.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I think I would have went with the Mike
Florio side that there's really no precedent for this. Jordan
Davis was fined, he wasn't officially suspended, even though he
missed the whole game. I think that would have been
a little bit easier path to take than if I
were to spit on him. It would have been in
his face. I'm not disagreeing. Maybe I don't think Jamar

(11:36):
regrets it. I don't either. I don't think he does.
I go back and again, to me, I would rather
see someone fight than see someone spit on somebody. But
you just go back like I have this lasting image
of the consummate professional AJ Green and losing his mind
against Jalen Ramsey, and Ramsey does this to you, and

(11:58):
it's just part of who he is. And it's led
to a conversation that we're gonna have in our number
one with some audio that Ben Roethlisberger had to say
about the Bengals and Steelers rivalry. But there are there
are no grounds for spinning on someone. Again, I would
have rather seen Jamar Chase throw a punch. I'm with

(12:20):
his helmet off.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think we The next time we get to hear
from Jamar now that the suspension's upheld is next Tuesday,
because things are met sped up a little bit prior
to the Thanksgiving night game. He's he's not one to
hide his emotions now. He lied about it after the game,

(12:41):
probably because he didn't know what to say or do,
but I am fascinated to see what he says. There
is also a whole situation.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Somebody asked me this yesterday because Jamar is very candid
and has been very candid and open with the media,
and he's at times been joking, lighthearted. Do you think
that this changes his relationship at all with the local media.
I think it's a possibility. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think one of the unfortunate parts of this whole
thing has been that Austin Brisky from Fox nineteen has
received a lot of hate correct from Bengals fans, which
could not agree more completely unwarranted and it's sad and
I wish that wasn't the case, but that could lead

(13:28):
to distrust or a changing of the way that he
approaches the media or whatever. I think it's silly. I mean,
the guy was doing his job. Everybody It doesn't matter
what station or where it was. They would have done
the same thing. Whether it was a Pittsburgh station or
a Cincinnati station doesn't matter. And if it were me,
I would have posted that video as well. So I

(13:51):
don't know. I hope it doesn't, but I do think
it's it was a fair question.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Also Bengals related, the Bengals have cleared Mike Gasicki and
Dejon Anthony to both return to practice, opening up their
twenty one day window. Both were currently on the injured
the IR. I can that means safety help coming.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
In an ideal world, Geno Stone would be cut before
they play the game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
The more that I watched the film all four that
I look at Geno, how.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Could that be as fat as he looked during the game.
To watch the film and it was even worse.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
The more that I look at it, it just doesn't
sit right with me. You made a business decision. I
get it. Okay, let's move on from you now. I
mean Dejon Anthony. I think it would be a lot
to expect him to just come in and play right away.
But the season's over, you're into evaluation mode, and as
that kind of outlined the other day. It's it's less

(14:50):
about tackling and more about the fundamentals of lining up
in the right spot, getting the play call correctly, communicating,
and knowing the playbook. Except I feel like Dejon Anthony
is a pretty smart dude who got on the field
last year as a rookie, and if you follow him
on Twitter, has been chomping at the bit to return
to the field this year. So hopefully when he's able

(15:12):
to go, and maybe he gets activated this week, I
don't know, we see more of him on the field
because the more you see Geno Stone, the less you
believe in anything that is right about football.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
With the world. It's just that dude is he's not good.
It's just it's it's one thing. It's one thing to
be bad. But like, man, he's not talented, but he
plays his tail off.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, like Barrett carter YEP, Barrett Cartering tries like hell.
He stinks, but he tries like hell. Geno Stone stinks
and doesn't try. Or man, he's he's flying around. He's
just not he's not finishing, he's not he's not trying,
and that makes it even worse. At the level of
play in which we've seen from Geno Stone. Here's what
we'll do when we come back.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
A comment from Ben Roethlisberger that I want to play
the audio too, we'll react to that. We have phone
calls here throughout our number one, five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. That will all lead up to Zach Taylor,
who speaks to the media at one o'clock. That is
your slate from now until then on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Speaker 5 (16:18):
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
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Speaker 2 (16:33):
All right, welcome back in Little Football in the NATI.
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks as well to
our friends at Skyline Chili. Anytime you're feeling good and hungry,
it is Skyline time. Look, we are now at the
point I think where we are moving past the Jamar
Chase situation with Jalen Ramsey. Jamar Chase is going to

(16:54):
be suspended and you got to start acting accordingly. You're
not going to have Jamar Chase on Sunday, it was
already peel battle against the Patriots. Good luck offensively to
find a way to make this work without the best
receiver in football, against a very good New England team,
a very well coached New England team. We'll see what
t Higgins can do, We'll see what Joe Flacco is

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able to do, and we'll get the chance to hear
all of this from Zach Taylor at one o'clock. But
there was one other fallout from this. Often it has
a lot of people talking across the world of sports,
and one of those folks is a former Pittsburgh Stealer quarterback.
We know the rivalry between Pittsburgh and Cincinnati is rooted
in hate. We know the rivalry is rooted and things

(17:37):
that have happened over the course of the years, and
that makes it a little different when you go into
that week. But take a listen to Ben Roethlisberger and
what he had to say as it relates to the
rivalry and some stuff he went through with the Baltimore Ravens.
I'm talking to both, I'm talking to everybody. Just shut
up and play football.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
That's how this game, that's how Pittsburgh Steelers play is
you shut up, You play the game, and you go
to work and you eat that dude down. Trypalma used
to pound somebody help him back up them do it again,
ray Us showy times were gonna Lucia to help me
up and be like, hey, y'all, fella, I'm about to
get you again. That's respect, you know what I'm saying.
We don't need that. That that extra stuff is unnecessary.
And listen, I'm not trying to say this students, anything wrong.

(18:15):
I'm just saying that that rivalry between those two, I
guess I'm talking more about the rivalry right the Bengals
Steelers rivalry, it just it's it's it's not the same
as as like the Bengals and then Rave are the
Steelers and Ravens where it's just physical and we're gonna
we're gonna pound on each other.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Yeah, you're always looking over your show.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, but that's my soulbox.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Enough about that. I'm just glad.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
I just hope that it's all settled Ramsey and we
don't have to lose them for any more games because
he is super valuable out there.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, that is football and with Ben Roethlisberger his potzezle.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So what I get from that is that he's trying
to describe the relationship and the matchups with Pittsburgh and
Baltimore when he played us having respect for each other
but just being a rivalry. Is that him saying that
there's not respect with the Bengals, correct? That's my interest? Yeah,
So if there's not respect, like, are we quick to forget?

(19:05):
This is not a one sided thing. I mean, I
remember hinz Ward on Keith Rivers. You know, I remember
Carson Palmer's injury. And I'm not saying that that's rooted
in hate, but like I think it is, there are
points in this rivalry that are rooted in hate and
that are rooted. But like to come out and say, like, well,

(19:26):
you know, Baltimore at least there was a respect there,
I don't. I don't quite agree with that sense. But
this isn't just like this is the the Bengals are
the ones that don't have respect for Pittsburgh has not
shown respect to Cincinnati as well. This isn't a one
sided thing.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
First and foremost, to understand Ben and his audience, he's
obviously talking to Steelers fans, and that's gonna be his
his view on things he did say in that clip.
Though he's not saying that the Steelers have never done
anything wrong. I think he understands that. I agree with
him though in that it it's really not a rivalry
the Bengals and Steelers based in respect. There are countless

(20:05):
times you can look in the history of this rivalry
in which it's been flat out disrespect between the two sides.
I mean, the hit on Kevin Huber is a perfect example,
completely unnecessary, what Vontes Berfect did to Antonio Brown, hinz
Ward to Keith Rivers, Jamar Chase, spitting on Ramsey and

(20:30):
flipping off Minka Fitzpatrick, George I Loka, what he did
to Antonio Brown in the back of the end zone,
Juju Smith Schuster standing over Vontes perfect, keem O von
Olhoffen over Carson Palmer. Ken Anderson almost had his neck
broken because his face mask was grabbed and turned around.
He was looking at his nameplate on the back of

(20:50):
his jersey. This is a long standing rivalry which it
has not been as much about football as much as
it's been about we don't like you.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
You don't like us. We're trying to hurt you.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Ryan Shay's ear, the hit against Giovanni Bernard that knocked
g O out cold. What about when Ben got hurt
and Bengals fans were throwing trash at him on the
cart on the way off the field. Like, there's countless, countless,
countless instances over the course of this rivalry in which

(21:27):
you can tell it's really not about football, it's about
we don't.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Like each other. And that's okay in sports. I don't
know that it's okay. It's part of their story. It's
part of the story. But it's also, like we've talked before,
it's what makes rivalries what they are.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Is there lines you shouldn't cross? Yes? Was a line
crossed on Sunday? Yeah? I think so. I think spitting
is a whole different level. But there's no rule book
that says once the game ends, you got to go
shake their hands and hug it out and swap jerseys. Right,
Some of the most intense rivalries in sports are built
on a genuine dislike for that team, the fan base,

(22:07):
whatever else you want to say. And I do think
it's different. I think there are I think Baltimore is
a rivalry, but there's not It's not rooted in as
much hate.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I actually think that there is like some level of
mutual respect between the Bengals and Ravens and the Bengals
and Browns. Like obviously the Bengals Browns things a little
one sided for the most part, but it's never been dirty.
It's never been cheap shots, even with Baltimore. Like the

(22:35):
Baltimore rivalry, I think that's more of a true rivalry
just based on the competition, Like that game, that that
series is a lot closer to five hundred between the
two teams than the Bengals Steelers or the Bengals Browns,
and like, from that standpoint, like I don't I don't
really don't dislike the Ravens. I'm just like, damn, this
is gonna be a this com you know, it's gonna

(22:56):
be a battle, this is gonna be a tough game.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
But that Pittsburgh Week's different. Man, Phittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I find myself getting angry, like I hate losing to
the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I think there's just this this
dislike and especially when there's a playoff chapter in it
as well.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
When you go back to the Jeremy Hill fumble.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Jeremy Hill, but also what happened on the sidelines, Joey Porter,
the Steelers special teams coach pulling Reggie Nelson's hair like
all that sort of stuff. It's just it's an unfortunate
part of the story is that there is a hatred
that unites these two teams.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I think Ben's right.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think maybe it's a little bit like the Bengals
and Ravens and Steelers and Ravens rivalry is is kind
of similar, like there's respect there, but for the other two.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Nope, not at all.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nah, Let's take a phone call before we grab a break.
What's going on, Mike, Hey.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
Those what's going on? Well, Kenny Anderson, I sure hope
this guy gets in. He you know, I had the
privilege of watching him and he you know, he went
to Augustana College, so he obviously didn't get any.

Speaker 10 (24:09):
Cub coming out. So that was a brilliant pick by
the Bengals when they picked in. Yeah, and he turned
out to be as solid as quarterback as you'll ever watch. Yep,
not spectacular necessarily, but extremely solid. And just wanted to
get your sentiments on the Kenny.

Speaker 11 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I mean you look at what he did when he retired.
I believe he was top He was sixth in passing
time passing yardage all time, and thirteenth in passing touchdowns.
He was an MVP in nineteen eighty one fourteen. There
are We've highlighted this before. There are far, far, and
above many folks in the Hall of Fame that don't

(24:52):
have the career statistics of Ken Anderson. And I just
I don't know if he's being punished because there was
this feel about the Bengals or whatnot. But Ken Anderson,
all I can say is how deserving he is based
on what he's done on the field. And if you
ever had the have had the privilege and the honor

(25:12):
to meet Ken in person, and I have, and we've
had him on this show before. He's not only one
of the best ever played quarterback, he's genuinely one of
the nicest human beings you'll ever meet. And I can't
say a bad thing about Ken Anderson. It's long overdue
and he is he is meant to be in the
in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah, I'm actually I've been sam prayers for the guy
because You're right as far as a human being and
a stand up citizen, Yep. You can't find a better
guy than Kenny Anderson. There's no way. Yeah, I wouldn't
mind doing a little basketball because I'm not talking about
the Bengals beause they're not gonna talk about I'm sorry,
it just isn't. I mean, you could, but it's kind

(25:53):
of wasted there. I'll tell you what the UK's list
and Cali Pari, I don't care what they say. And
you can talk Mark Pope all day. They misscal Yeah,
look what Cows went over to do with Arkansas with
the Razorbacks. That is a very dangerous basketball team.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, they're dangerous, and I thought it was interesting. Leading
up to the game, tom Izzo went out of his
way to talk about the roster. He said, this Kentucky
roster is more talented than the Arkansas roster. He didn't
talk about the coaching because that Arkansas game with Michigan
State was a dogfight. That game last night was a blowout,
and I think there are a lot of people right
now questioning Mark Pope. With the money and the roster

(26:31):
they've spent to put that roster together, you have got
to yield better results early in the season.

Speaker 9 (26:37):
I agree with you, ton I think Lebron showed a
lot of class last night. Nice mostly playing point and
getting twelve sixs and just knowing how to handle the situation. Yeah,
which leads me into the NBA. Look at these Pistons,
they're the story. Thirteen to two, k cunning him, that's

(26:57):
the story. And by the way, Austin, what happened to
your books?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Hundred Yeah, Pistons.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Playing at the time.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Little sisters of the Pistons have won eleven games in
a row. Unbelievable, crazy, crazy.

Speaker 9 (27:16):
And you gotta love it because it wasn't It wasn't
anything anybody now.

Speaker 12 (27:19):
Who knows it.

Speaker 9 (27:19):
They'll stay there. But it was unexpected. And that's what
makes team sports funds and stuff that you weren't playing on.
I really and and and I'm telling you, man, they're
okayc team. They're not just beating people, Tony, they are
smoking people.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, they're They're not getting talked about enough for being
fourteen and one. Their average point differential is almost sixteen.
That is easily the highest in the National Basketball Association.
They are, they're dominant, they are they are so good
and They're good on both sides of the ball, which
is refreshing to watch.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
And they don't even have Jalen Williams there second best players.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Agreed, Agreed, it's it's incredible.

Speaker 9 (27:56):
One last thing, I I don't like this game with
for you see on against Louisville. I don't like it.
I don't like it at all. For you see, I
really don't. That's a basketball team down there, my friend.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yep, they can score it from all angles. It is
a what I think Louisville's a national title contender. I
think they are and I don't think you sees there yet,
but it'll be a measuring stick for how far off
you see potentially is. I think that at least you
can get out of the game and hopefully grow from it.
On Friday night, Oh, I know you got to go.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
But I'm with you real quick and just hit me
in the head. I'm with you on Texas Tech and football. Yeah,
I'm really with you on that's a that's a tough,
tough football team. I'll let you go.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Thanks boy, thank you, Mike, appreciate you. Let's get a break, Austin.
I want to uh, I want to have two conversations
around the Bengals. When we come back, I want to
have a brief Trey Hendrickson conversation to kind of pick
up from yesterday and then this whole Joe Burrow to
play or not to play conundrum. Let's dive into that
a little bit more when we return. He SPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1 (29:00):
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Speaker 2 (29:19):
Welcome back since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty
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We'll grab another phone caller to here in the next segment,
real quick, Austin, I just want us to make sure
we're on the same page as it relates to Trey Hendrickson.
We glazed over this with Mo and Quick Hitch yesterday.
But back to back Mondays, we've heard from Zach Taylor,

(29:40):
and Zach Taylor's been asked about Trey Hendrickson in both Mondays.
He's been very adamant, doubtful. He's doubtful. This week we've
heard week to week, we've heard rumblings is there a
potential surgery for Trey Hendrickson this also, with the backdrop
of the contract situation that happened all throughout the offseason
and what contract situation he's in right now, it would

(30:02):
lead me to believe that we are closer Austin to
not seeing Trey Hendrickson play another snap this year than
we are to Trey Hendrickson playing another snap this year.
It's just if he was close, or if there was
an option. Knowing what we know about Zach Taylor and
hearing how he has spoken the past, I feel like
it would be like, you know, we're going to evaluate

(30:24):
how this week goes. I don't know yet. We'll see
as we go. It's not been that with Trey Hendrickson.
It's been very blunt. It's been very brief, doubtful this week.
Are we looking too much into that or do you
feel like we're at the end here with Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I think it's weird that Zach has shot it down
as quickly as he has is if nothing else, you
would want New England to think Trey Henderson's going to
be on the field the threat of him, yeah, or
at least say we'll see how he does or we'll
see if he practices or whatever. And it's also weird
that they haven't put him on IR. They could have
put him on IR a couple of weeks ago if

(31:00):
it was going to take this long, and he could
have missed a minimum of four games, So that I
find weird just because it's a deviation from the norm.
I also wonder if both sides are kind of looking
at this thinking, yeah, I think we're done here.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Do you think that info could have been out there
and that's why that they didn't get anything better than
a fourth round offer?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Potentially? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. But
you know, I think the other thing with that, or
Trey could have quietly doubled out and said, if you
don't trade me, I'm not playing. Sure, that's also a possibility.
It's just a guess, but you know, I put up
the poll question at Audiom or will Trey play again
this season for the Bengals? Eighty three percent said no.

(31:43):
I also look at, you know, the standoff that they
had in the offseason and the Bengals reinvesting in him because,
as dumb as it might be, they thought they could
win the Super Bowl this year. Yeah, and they've not
been willing to commit to him long term because I
think they have doubts about players his age at that position,

(32:05):
especially somebody who's not been an elite athlete, and now
even more so a guy who's going through it a
weird back hip pelvis injury. And so yeah, they reserve
the right to franchise tag him at twenty six million dollars,
twenty seven million dollars whatever it is next year, and
that's a possibility. I have a hard time believing the

(32:25):
Bengals are going to re up and say, Okay, we
want to double down on keeping Trey Henderson here. And
maybe they do tag him and trade him. That's obviously
a possibility, and I'm sure a team would take him
for that price tag. But if it really is about
evaluation from here on out and Trey is not going
to be a part of your future, yep, there's no
need for him to play.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Correct. Speaking of playing, let's talk about Joe Burrow. Dan
Graziano and Jeremy Fowler of ESPN had this conversation as well,
and talking about Joe Burrow and Jaden Daniels, and I
just want to read a couple excerpts here from Graziano
and Fowler Dan Grasiano Report, and again I think we'll
hear more from this from Zach Taylor at one o'clock today.
The Bengals playing to give Burrow more work in practice

(33:06):
this week. He has said that he's targeting the Thanksgiving
game that is, of course, next Thursday. A lot of
the answer will depend on how the toe responds to
the work he's getting in practice. But from what I've
been told, so far, so good. Jeremy Fowler says that
what appears clear is that Burrow wants to play. Team
record be damn. Whether he actually play remains to be seen.

(33:27):
The team will have something to say about that, but
he's now of the mindset right now that he's playing.
The AFC North door has been left slightly open. They
go on to talk a little bit more of Graziano
that he expects Burrow to play as soon as he's cleared.
The Bengals will regret losing the fourth quarter leads to
the Jets and Bears, which we've talked about, but still
expect them to get him back on the field because

(33:48):
the coaching staff might need to win some games to
feel fully comfortable about keeping their jobs. Also talks to
the point of the Bengals or not one to wave
the white flag, and then Jeremy Foller adds that returning
Joe Burrow to play, even if the playoffs are out
of reach, could help build confidence and momentum for both

(34:09):
the player and the team going into twenty twenty six,
although the Bengals could opt to save him for twenty
twenty six. All of this being said, I think there
are two very very different scenarios Austin. One, what do
you want to see the Bengals do with Joe Burrow?
And does that match what you think the Bengals will

(34:30):
do with Joe Burrow. I want to watch Joe Burrow play.
I think he should play. I think it would be
good for everybody if he does play. Now, If if
what they're saying is true that the Bengals may need
to win a couple of games for the staff to
feel comfortable, I think that's I think that's probably true.

(34:51):
I mean, anytime you lose a bunch of games, nobody's
really gonna feel comfortable about it. And we've had the
conversation in the past that if this thing were to
really really unravel, it might reach the point of no
return for Zach Taylor. And so I'm sure he does
feel the heat. And you do think whenever Joe Burrow's
on the field, you have a better chance at winning
football games.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, I think most people would agree with that. So,
I mean, if you're a Bengals fan and you want
them to fire Zach Taylor, then you probably don't want
Joe Burrow to play, and you're rooting for them to
lose every game the rest of the year. I look
at it and say, they have their quarterback. He hasn't
played since September. He needs he just needs to play football.

(35:34):
Like if he plays two games and he doesn't really
start doing football activities again until July June July, that
I don't think is a good thing. And I think
it's important for him to play, especially to continue to
play with some of these young players like Dylan Fairchild
and maybe Jalen Rivers. God help us if he's on
the field while Burrow's out there. But I don't think

(35:56):
it's a bad thing for Burrow to play.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I also don't know that that they're gonna win a
bunch of games even with him.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, and I think there's something to the fact that
you're paying a guy fifty five million dollars he should play. Yeah, sure,
that's fair. But I've been so back and forth on this.
But if you're going to to to move forward in
fear that Joe Burrow, if you don't want him to
play because he's gonna get hurt, that's not the right
way to look at it anyway. Correct. If that's the fear,
and if that's a fear in the organization, then this

(36:24):
thing's been built the wrong way, in which we've already
talked about. You you can't. You can't. If you're the
Bengals saying well, we want Joe to get reps, but
we don't want to get him hurt, then that's an
indictment on the team you've put together. Yeah, which, again
we've talked about that a lot. Guy's getting fifty five million.
I agree with you, he needs reps. Yeah, he has
to play football. Whether you are playing for something or not,

(36:47):
you're playing for your organization, you're playing for that sea
that you're wearing on your chest. You're playing for the
guys around you that are still playing for something. And
I think that's why Joe Burrow has made it such
a point to want to get back because Joe realizes
that Joe realizes the guys around him as well and
wants to be right by them. I think Joe Burrow

(37:11):
should play, and I think the Bengals will do.

Speaker 11 (37:14):
That to him.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I think it's good for everybody if he plays. Now.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I don't know that they should necessarily rush him back
at this point because last week was basically the last gasp.
I mean, if they had won that game, then I
think it's almost certain he plays on Thanksgiving night. But
now it's like, Okay, well, let's give you the extra week,
We'll have you play in Buffalo, you know, whatever it
might be. I don't know that they should really be

(37:39):
rushing him back. Yeah, and you know that also being said,
if he can play, you know those three games Buffalo Baltimore,
Miami or Baltimore Miami Arizona, no real reason for him
to play in Week eighteen, that I would be okay
with him sitting out because there's no win there.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Whatsoever, especially if Miles Garrett's going for thirty sacks correct exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I mean that who knows that game could be for
the number one pick of the draft.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, very well, all right, let's break, let's come back.
We'll grab a phone call, we'll finish up this conversation,
and we'll get to Zach Taylor speaking at one o'clock
next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to
Skyline Chili School.

Speaker 11 (38:20):
Insie a strong one.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I gotta have some fun tonight. Welcome back our one
since he three sixty Wednesday afternoon, thanks to Skyline Chili,
Zach Taylor, his weekly press conference happens in just about
ten minutes. We'll carry that to kick off our number two.
Right before your talkbacks, Let's grab ourselves a phone call. Marcus,

(38:50):
what's up? Hey?

Speaker 5 (38:52):
How are you guys doing good? How are you good?

Speaker 13 (38:57):
When it comes to the Bengals, I just I feel
like it's not.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Going anywhere fast. I'm more.

Speaker 13 (39:04):
I mean, obviously this year is just washed up and done.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
But it's like that, It's like that famous line in
Angels and the Outfield when George Knox goes to the
owner and says, you have to trade all of them? Yeah,
and the and the owner says, I can't trade twenty
five guys. Sure, this whole defense needs to be redone
and I feel like this could be a multi year

(39:27):
project and we don't have that when it comes to Burrow,
Chase and Higgins.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Correct your your don't I don't know where you go
from there.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Your pain of your stars is an emphasis to try
to win now, but the rest of the roster doesn't
add up to that as well. And that's a very
hard dilemma.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Right, So it's like, what do they do.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Do they strictly just draft defense and hopes to hit
on one even though they they've showed no confidence.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
In doing that, or do you use your entire cap.

Speaker 13 (39:57):
And sign defensive guys? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, I think they have to make the fundamental shift
to start getting more proven players. And Austin, I know,
I don't know the number exactly. Austin, I know you've
alluded to the fact that they do have a lot
of money in this upcoming offseason.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, as it stands right now, about seventy million dollars
in cap space next year.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if that's enough to
get I mean, obously, you can't sign every single position,
but I mean, like I said, I just there's just
so many holes on the defensive side.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
And I was watching the game on Sunday, and.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
No matter what you do with Murphy and Osi, they
can't pass rush. So I was really sitting there and
I'm like, if you're al Golin, why don't you just
they the We're done trying to practice pass rushing. Let's
just drop everybody in coverage. Yeah, and maybe they are
doing that, but we just don't have the talent of

(40:56):
the players who do to cover anyway. So I mean,
it's it's just the nets on defense and I don't know,
and I just don't see it being stick anytime soon,
and that's gonna be a problem.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, I think that Marcus. I appreciate the call, you know, Austin,
I think that's part of the dilemma right now, is
that it feels hopeless in a sense that you know
you have talent on offense, but the hopelessness comes from
just the inability to get anything productive on the defensive SOD.
I mean, we are nearing the trend right now. They've

(41:25):
tied an NFL record of giving up at least twenty
seven or more and nine straight football games. They are
trending from a DVOA standpoint to be the worst defense
in the history of the National Football League. That leads
to a very helpless, hopeless feeling about this team. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I mean we've had this conversation a thousand times. I
think there's a couple of guys that you feel comfortable
moving forward with. Dax Hill is one of them. I'm
still open to Miles Murphy, especially if he plays the
way he played on Sunday. Sunday was the best game
of Miles Murphy's career. Yeah, can you stack that. Hopefully
that turns into something and I would be happy with that.
Mar Stewart, I'm still willing to see what he has

(42:02):
and I think he's just had a terrible first year
where nothing has really gone his way. Other than that,
there's a lot of work to be done. I don't
think Jordan Battle is a lost cause. I don't know
that he's necessarily a starter, but I don't think he's
a lost cause. So you just look at that and
you think, Okay, well, that's three or four guys. We're
gonna need another twenty to fill out the rest of

(42:24):
the defense that you feel comfortable with. And I get it.
That feels like a tall task and seventy million dollars
may not be enough. When you have other things to consider.
You're gonna need a third wide receiver. You're gonna need
a left tackle at some point, You're probably gonna need
running back depth, offensive line depth. All that stuff is
gonna be necessary towards building the team. However, I do
want to re emphasize the point that this defense does

(42:46):
not need to go from number thirty two to number one.
We said that going into last offseason and at least
made sense of the plan that they had on paper.
It just hasn't worked. The biggest question in the offseason is, Okay,
how do we adjust and do we bring in more
free agents or proven veteran guys in free agency to
help on defense. And then you also have the ability,

(43:09):
as far as I understand, it's still to restructure the
Borough contract to open up even more space if you
need to. So if you decide to trade Tray, you
get that off the books, you get you know, maybe
another pick or two from there, maybe you get a
player in return from that. Like, there's a lot of
various ways they can go. Can they get from thirty
second in the NFL to twenty second? And if they do,

(43:30):
they're probably a playoff.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Team, which essentially is what we describe the offensive line,
and because of how bad the defense has been, we
haven't had a chance to do this, but the offensive
line is trending that way. They're not the worst O
line in football. Yeah, it's we don't need them to
be the best OH line in football. But all off
season we said, can they just be a middle of
the pack O line? Yeah? Can you get that? On
the defensive side.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
One of the other questions of the off season is
going to be can Jalen Rivers take a step forward
or are they going to need to readdress that position
as well.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I think left tackle.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
River has two snaps a game where you're like, oh,
I can see it, and then about fifteen or twenty
snaps a game where it's like, ugh, I don't know
if I want this guy blocking for Joe Burrow. Meanwhile,
Dylan Fairchild steady sure, Orlando Brown Junior, I think you
and I both agree you don't feel comfortable with him
moving forward. He's okay. I don't know if it's time
to totally pull the plug. But that's not somebody that

(44:20):
you think you know next year going into his age
thirty one season, that you're gonna rely on heavily.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
It's gonna have to be addressed. All right, let's get
a break in, let's wrap up our number one when
we come back, ideally right when we come back, if
not shortly thereafter, Zach Taylor will speak to members of
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happening right now. Seck, you open the twenty.

Speaker 15 (45:38):
One day windows for both Dajon and Mike, you anticipate
them being able to place something.

Speaker 11 (45:42):
We'll see, you know, Dejon obviously hasn't gotten in practice.
It's training camp, so I think that one there's a
lot of work that's gotta go in there. He hasn't
played football a long time. Kasecki been out four weeks.
I feel like he's a little ready to hit the
ground running. So we'll see how he looks this week.

Speaker 16 (45:56):
I think it would be could get Mike back given
that everything.

Speaker 11 (45:59):
Yeah, just giving that situation to lose a guy like
Jamar and ad one like Mike certainly helps use the
pain a little bit. And we'd be happy to have
your reaction.

Speaker 16 (46:07):
To obviously the suspension and then and then his appeal
being denied.

Speaker 11 (46:10):
Yeah, I mean we we we gave him everything we had.
They have held the suspension and so as a team,
we just got to move forward. You know, still support
Jamar and I have support Jamar, but we got to
focus on New England now and look forward to getting
Jamrow next back. Next Monday.

Speaker 17 (46:27):
Is the move for Deison to be at faded because
he's finally ready from injury standpoint, or just that you
guys are hopeful in the next couple of weeks to
see what you can do for you.

Speaker 11 (46:37):
Yeah, it's time to get him back, you know. And
so again, now he's he's healthy and so open up
this twenty one day windows. We can look at him
going into December. It's just it's time to do that,
Pitch said.

Speaker 18 (46:48):
His message to the receivers was, you know, a bunch
of guys getting an opportunity here with Jamorrow. What do
you hope to see kind of in practice this week
to figure out who's going to get those chances?

Speaker 11 (46:55):
Yeah, guys just taking advantage of the opportunity. Again, It's
that's exactly what it is. That's how some guys have
got their chances. That's how Mitch Tinsley has has gotten
himself on the roster, has taken advantage of moments where
he's at, you know. And so again, I just think
we'll continue to evaluate those guys. We got a good
plan in place to utilize everybody we can. Then we'll
see how guys continue to step up as the week goes.

Speaker 16 (47:15):
What challenges does Drake may presenting? What do you think
about him?

Speaker 11 (47:19):
I think he's done a great job. I mean four
to one touchdown interception is really impressive considering his second year,
new coaching staff, you know all that stuff you factor in.
I think he's done an excellent job. Seventy two completion
which is really impressive too. So he's doing everything right
and leading the team the eight straight wins. I think

(47:40):
he's just a really impressive and he's he's a tough
challenge when you guys taking care of the football like that,
completing balls at a high rate like he is, twenty
touchdowns five make plays with his feet as well, So
he's really impressive in a difficult challenge for you guys.

Speaker 16 (47:54):
What did you see from Josh mcteagle saw run by Drake?

Speaker 19 (47:58):
What is it about Josh mccam was that over the
years has made him successful.

Speaker 11 (48:03):
He does a great job attacking defenses a lot of
different ways, stay and patient, picking his moments for for
big opportunities explosives. It's hard to say how much offense
they carry. I don't know. I've never really been with him,
but they just do a good job with their game
planning week to week and attacking attacking what they think
your weaknesses, and I'm always having some nice wrinkles in place.
He's done it for a long time a very high level,

(48:25):
won a lot of Super Bowls, A ton of respect
for Josh and he's certainly getting a lot of the
offense right now.

Speaker 19 (48:30):
Is a term that comes up a lot when when
his name comes up. Do you see where do you
see any characteristics of a mesh offense with them run
through the break offense? A mesh like the concept mess
like crossing the Yeah.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
I think if he's get yeah, I mean that that's
through me on that one. And I didn't expect that question.
I'm sure that shows up. That's not what I necessarily
think of right out the gate. Sat.

Speaker 20 (49:07):
You know, a game against a good New England team
with a good record, I think is gonna demand, always
going to demand the attention of whoever that the team
is playing. I just wonder because of the unique circumstance
of you guys having one of the coveted like primetime
games the following Thursday on Thanksgiving Night, they're like, any

(49:32):
usefulness and maybe just telling the guys focus on this one, don't.
I know the idea of looking ahead beyond this doing
the team is insane, but like, don't look ahead just
because we have this, you know Thursday night game.

Speaker 11 (49:47):
Coming up, No, I had a competitiony to do that
for one second. I think they're pretty well focused on
the ring.

Speaker 16 (49:52):
How Joe Flacker feelings he can have practice it if.

Speaker 11 (49:55):
You won't practice today, same schedule as we've been on
the last.

Speaker 16 (49:58):
Couple weeks and that's just maintenance normal.

Speaker 11 (50:00):
Yeah, Bill practice, Yes, well, he definitely start on Sunday.
We'll keep working through, you know, and see how we
go through the week.

Speaker 16 (50:08):
Is that scenario bit Joe Burrow.

Speaker 11 (50:11):
Joe Burrow hasn't practiced eleven on eleven yet, So, like
I said the other day, until we get through some practice,
there's no reason for me to even speculate on that.

Speaker 18 (50:18):
Well without Flacco, like Wednesday kind of be Burrow's day
and then Thursday kind of Flaco's day.

Speaker 11 (50:23):
Yeah, I think you can certainly get a lot of
work in with Joe today, Joe Burrow today because Flacco
is not practicing. Because the plan has been getting into
eleven and eleven so it works well. So we're not
trying to balance the guy who is going to practice
on a Wednesday, Joe. Joe flaccol hasn't done that. We
got to think of another way to communicate this because
the two. Joe's that really is just this is getting
harder and harder every week that passes. But so we'll

(50:45):
get through today, and it is it's just good start
to get drawut there and eleven all eleven. See how
it goes well, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 16 (50:51):
To eleven on eleven today, I think he might he.

Speaker 11 (50:55):
Will, He'll do it.

Speaker 17 (50:56):
Today's gotten a lot of praise for the job that
they've done in rebuild with the entire team, but specifically
on defense.

Speaker 16 (51:03):
Obviously that's Rabel's.

Speaker 17 (51:04):
You know, bread and butter, and you look at you
played them last year. What's the biggest change you've seen
in the defense this year?

Speaker 11 (51:12):
Yeah, impossible to compare that was that was a weak one.
It's such a unique thing because they had a new
staff last year. So ye'ar 's sure so that that
one doesn't to me even count. I think that he's
just done a great job. It's it's it's similar enough
to what they did in Tennessee, but there's some differences,
you know, and so again I think spending time away

(51:32):
for a year, however you look at it, it's they've
done a good job. There's some things that stayed the
same that they're really hard nose playing defense. They do
the they do the simple things really well. There's a
physicality to them for sure that shows up. You know,
there's there's a couple of guys that have been with
Rabele in the past that he brings along, and some
other guys that they added from around the league, and
then the guys that have been there that they continue

(51:53):
to grow within the organization. So it's a challenging defense.
They do a really good job. It's not even a
team that that overall has there won eight in a row.
So you normally look at the turnover battle and think, Okay,
they're dominating the term they're not. There's zero, you know,
it's even for them, and so that that's an impressive
way to win eight in a row when there's been
games where it's where it's plus or minus, but overall

(52:15):
at zero and so I think that that's just pretty
impressive that they've been able to do what they do
with the rector they have. That tells you that they're
playing really sound football in all three phases.

Speaker 21 (52:23):
Guy, I think we forgot to ask about it on
Monday smodd Ryan.

Speaker 11 (52:26):
Is he getting closer to be doubtful this week?

Speaker 18 (52:32):
You a lot about the defense on Monday and things
that you want to fix going into this week, and
there are any like positive examples that you've the staff
is pointed to and said, like, here's what we wanted
to look like from some things.

Speaker 11 (52:43):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of great examples on
first and second down where we won and got him
to where we wanted and didn't necessarily finish all the time.
There's times we did there was a there's a physicality
there that I thought. Like I said, I thought the
linebackers did a good job from an operational standpoint. So yeah,
there's a lot of things to build on them that
I think had been better than the weeks before. That's

(53:04):
not our standards, not let's just be a little bit better.
It's it's we want to completely raise the standard for
a whole team. But there were some things that we
got to continue to build on.

Speaker 16 (53:14):
Osa got a little dinged up at the beginning of
the game. Obviously finished the game.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Will he be out there today.

Speaker 11 (53:19):
Yeah, there's guys, of course that always get deemed back
in the games, and we'll manage them through the week.
But he's in good shape.

Speaker 21 (53:26):
No one makes it to the NFL by shying away
from challenges. But a team that's one eight and rows
that is something that you actually enjoy that, it's something that
you want to go after and try to snap them.

Speaker 11 (53:37):
Yeah, it doesn't. I mean you kind of know what
our mentality has been over the last couple of years,
and these opportunities are fun ones, you know. It's it's
all these games are meaningful. They've obviously they're in a
really good rhythm and they've earned that, and so it's
it's a great opportunity for us to find our rhythm,
you know, to go out there and challenge them and
put our best friot forward and see how it all
falls and get some moment them. After this game, message

(54:00):
jam Sunday, well, your your communications limited. I mean I
talked to him immediately after the game, but the instance
then you can't have communication with him, which is tricky.
But again, he and I are in the same page
of everything. I'll just keep that with me and Jamal.

Speaker 16 (54:16):
When does that end postgames?

Speaker 11 (54:18):
I think it's I'm not sure if it's four pm Monday,
sometime on Monday.

Speaker 20 (54:25):
What do you what would your expectations for him be
during this no contact er?

Speaker 11 (54:30):
I can't talk to him, so I'm not expeculating.

Speaker 16 (54:35):
What have you seen from from Charlie Jones? And he
thinks that he could potentially give.

Speaker 11 (54:38):
You think Charlie's got a lot of confidence in our offense,
so again he's waiting for his opportunity. We've been really
healthy at the spot, you know, so there hasn't been
a lot of opportunity to take advantage hip. So I
think this is one of those moments where where guys
have an opportuny to make a name for himself. And
we'll keep working through that for practice and see where
it ends up on Sunday.

Speaker 16 (54:58):
I asked you Monday and you said you have evaluated
every day. Do you anticipate any starting lineup changes on defense?

Speaker 11 (55:04):
What'll keep working through this week? Thank you?

Speaker 18 (55:09):
Jack?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
All right, back to back week Short and sweet for
Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I totally forgot about Charlie Jones. It's a good question
from James there, because I totally forgot about Charlie Jones.
I would imagine we'll see a decent amount of him
just because he knows the offense. But the exchange that
I found most interesting there was about Joe Flacco won't
practice today, did not say he would start on Sunday.

(55:39):
When asked is there a scenario where Joe Burrow would play,
he said, Joe Burrow hasn't done eleven on eleven. He
didn't say no.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And he said he will do eleven on eleven today, correct.
I think that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I don't know that there's anything there, and who knows
what Joe feels like or how practice goes or any
of that.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
But it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
It's been around this time in the past where the
Bengals have made some moves thinking about next year. You
may remember Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton was benched for three games.
Sure that helped him get Joe Burrow. You know, I
don't know that Joe's going to start. Maybe Jake Browning
could play.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It's all speculating.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
It's interesting, but I found that exchange to feel like, Okay,
there might be a little bit more there. And he
was letting on also on Sunday after the game, Zach
very quickly shot down any personnel changes today. He said
they will work through the week and see what happens. Yeah,

(56:48):
so not on the defensive side of the ball. I
also thought just to clarify. I think it's fair to clarify.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Jamar Chase cannot be in the building or have contact
until Monday, so that's kind of how that works. No
mention of Jermaine Burton in that press.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Conference did go out of his way to mention Mitchell Tinsley,
he did. I think if Kasiki's back, Burton may not dress.
It's crazy right without Jamar is it?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Man? I can't believe he's still on the team. Honestly,
that's like that. The thing for me is, why is
he then on the team? Just in case? Well, just
in case, you would think, just in case Jamar Chase
isn't playing.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Just in case, I would have kept Isaiah Williams over
Jermaine Burton. Right, dude can return punts? Oh man, what
a world? What a day there is. I understand this
is not how we want it to be. We don't
want to dive into elite losing football team. But there
are enough things happening that make the week in the

(57:56):
game itself interesting because of the various storylines throughout the
rest of the year. Was still seven games left.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I was at dinner with a couple friends last night
and someone asked me how hard is it on radio
when the team is struggling, And I said, normally it
can be challenging. I said, but oddly enough, this team
has so many interesting storylines that it's it's something you
can easily talk about.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
I think there was a period of time where it
was kind of difficult because we were just saying the
same thing over and over. There wasn't much change offense,
good defense, bad, no good tackling. And then we get
the you know, Mike Florio thing about Duke Tob and
I'm sure they fired Duketob and I'm sure they fire
Zach Taylor. Now Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Come.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It's gotten better. But for a while there, it was
just same thing every day. Yeah, and you know, at
least there's there's some changes, there's some stuff to look for.
I think it changes the way you watch the game,
at least for me. I spent so much of Sunday
watching Miles Murphy. Yeah, so much watching Cedric Johnson, so

(59:06):
much watching Barrett Carter, just seeing like, what are these
guys doing? And I think that's kind of how you, yeah,
look at games like this too.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah, we uh, we have much more to discuss as
it relates to any other big takeaway from Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Before we move on. Hold on, let me let me
see what did I write down here?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I wrote down the Burrow him being at eleven on eleven,
Flacco not practicing, and Jamar Chase not able to be
in the building.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I wrote, Mike g sicky, sounds like he's gonna play.
Mitchell Tinsley mentioned Flacco won't practice, not guaranteed to start,
p Ryan doubtful again. Charlie Jones totally forgot about him
and potential changes to the defensive starting lineup.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, and it doesn't feel as if Dejon Anthony is
close enough to push genostone. We'll see unfortunately. All right,
let's break, let's come back. Your talkbacks for the day
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Speaker 23 (01:01:20):
Good morning. My name is Charlie, Bengals fan. Thanks for
taking my call. Love the show. The Bengals should definitely
be number one on the hot mess list. Mike Brown's
a joe, Duke. Tobin's a joke. They never really do
anything to prop up the defense for years. It's gross.

(01:01:43):
Still my team, still by the gear. Going to see
him in Miami in December.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Thank gus, all right, thank you appreciate down there, Charlie,
Tony Oddie.

Speaker 24 (01:01:53):
What's happening Leana truck here? I just want to lead
his talk back to Taff High School.

Speaker 25 (01:01:57):
Man.

Speaker 24 (01:01:58):
I know the media loves to points out in a
bad light, and who cares about the truth when the
last more entertaining man, But.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Tyler, keep running a hell of a program down.

Speaker 24 (01:02:08):
There, you go, faculty members down there, keep doing y'all
thing down there for those kids. Man, it's a shame
that the Cincinnati public school systems don't got y'all back. Man,
But kids, y'all keep shoving for greatness down there. Keep
doing y'all thing down there, and we love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Okay, what did I miss something? So what's going on?
Something came up yesterday where there was a photo going
around of the Indian Hill visitor locker room and there
were holes punched in the wall all over the locker room,
and so stories started running locally that you know, authorities

(01:02:42):
were looking into it and that obviously Taft had played there,
and so people, I think a little bit too early,
jumped the gun and accused Taft. And then a video
later surfaced of someone that was taking a video as
Taft was entering into the locker room, which showed the
holes were already in the wall. So now you're seeing

(01:03:04):
a lot of backtracking because people kind of ran with
it before I think knowing the full story. I don't
know if the full full story is out there yet,
but there seems to be a video out that that
the holes were already there.

Speaker 26 (01:03:16):
Interesting, Austin my co workers in Madison, Indiana. Have your
NFL team to root for the rest of this season?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Colts Coats, Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Coat, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Jeff got the co workers in on it and sound
effects rank them. I don't know if I'm ready to
root for the Colts, Okay. I don't know if I
want to put my faith in Danny Dimes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Okay, Happy hump Day. This is cabin in Architect.

Speaker 27 (01:03:55):
He's talked back on Tony Pike's Sincy three sixty feet.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Trigg often chopped liver elmore. Tony, are you going to
be a guest on the big pregame show this Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I don't think that's the bear cast game.

Speaker 23 (01:04:09):
And if so, are you going to talk about what's
going on with our head coach?

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Scott scattered in his shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Oh my, I don't think. I don't think so good day,
don't you?

Speaker 13 (01:04:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
I can think it's your Incinnati sports Omier.

Speaker 28 (01:04:25):
Given the NFL's season events and the way that the
Cincinnati Bengals name has been sullied, I must declare them
the greatest under dogs in sports history, and therefore I
ask you root for them even harder.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Does this mean that we're watching all seven remaining games?

Speaker 28 (01:04:44):
Yes it does, Bart, but I'll make your favorite shaved
borderhouse beats out.

Speaker 29 (01:04:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
No, we's judged, Thank you, Homer. Love each other.

Speaker 30 (01:04:52):
I never opened my mouth to that guy, wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
He did not sit on.

Speaker 25 (01:05:11):
That's what you saying.

Speaker 30 (01:05:14):
I never opened my mouth today. Guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Now you could view jamar As as saying a double negative.
I ain't spit on nobody which could say telling the
truth told and he got a box.

Speaker 14 (01:05:32):
John.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Sorry, I'm getting in a little late.

Speaker 31 (01:05:36):
But Man's and seven called in a couple of days ago,
and I believe he said he hated the Steelers in Michigan.
Man's and seven. Why do you hate Michigan? Is it
because the team you root for loses to them? I
have no idea who you root for. But if that's
the case, then you must hate the reading memorial day
three on three because you stay losing down there, Bob Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Mads and seven May got his wires crossed here yep,
which is not a surprise. Yep, MAVs and seven and
balling ain't easier two different people, John, Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Now MAVs and seven. They want to change his name
because MAVs in seven is essentially how many games it
took for the Dallas Mavericks to be eliminated from playoff
contention this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Yeah, Cooper Flag looks pretty terrible, boy. I'm happy for
uh Moon though his super Bowl's coming up next Saturday.

Speaker 32 (01:06:27):
Yes, Hi, love your show. What a fun first hour
that was, Thank you. I was wondering if there's any
truth to the rumor I heard years ago that the Bengals,
in order to fulfill the Rooney role requirement, simply turned
around and did a soft interview of Marvin Lewis, the
guy that they literally just fired because the Bengals were

(01:06:52):
too lazy and cheap to bring anyone else in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Is this true?

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
I don't believe. I don't believe that's true. It's not true.

Speaker 27 (01:07:01):
After seeing how badly the UK looked last night. I
think you guys don't have as much to worry about
with Louisville as you might have thought you did, because Kentucky, frankly.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Is not very good.

Speaker 27 (01:07:14):
By the way, this will be my last TikTok this week.
My next one will be from will be next week
from somewhere else in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Man, guess where. I'll give you a hint.

Speaker 16 (01:07:26):
I'll be where my daughter is now living.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Well, if you remember a couple of weeks ago, Ken
told us that his daughter lives. I believe in Salt
Lake City. Man, Ken just travels the world.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I'll tell you what he's got it made. He does.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
His teams might stink, but he gets to go around
and great counterpart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Though. Maybe maybe there is hope for the Bearcats.

Speaker 26 (01:07:48):
Hey, Jim and Milford, Hey, if you want to increase
the TV ratings for the Pro Bowl and all these
different skill challenges, let's do a spending contest.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
What do you think? I don't think that would work?
He really thought, he he joked with that one.

Speaker 23 (01:08:06):
I don't think Hey, guys, Marcus from the Groove.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Unfortunately, the honeymoon phase with Mark Poe and.

Speaker 23 (01:08:16):
Died for me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
After this Week sixteen layup last season, and with the
start that we've got this year, I'm starting to think
that he might not be the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I think last night was just pitiful.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Louisville was just pitiful. I think I think we made
a mistake on that one.

Speaker 23 (01:08:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Now I believe I saw or read somewhere they've spent
like twenty two million on that roster and if they're
not winning.

Speaker 25 (01:08:44):
Okay, So about what Ben Roethlisbergers said. Anybody with two
eyes and tummon since can tell that the Steelers are
a dirty team. It's just what they do every year,
every almost every game. All you got to do is
go back and look at the film for their dirty hits.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Watch the film.

Speaker 25 (01:08:57):
I think what he's saying is competitively, they don't respect
the Bengals is a true rival like they do the
Ravens because they haven't won anything like the Ravens have,
and then the rivalry is way one sided. I mean,
the Steelers are forty two and nineteen over the last
thirty years versus Home.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Okay, I mean, I'll take your take.

Speaker 33 (01:09:18):
Prosecution of Mike Brown day two. We all know Mike's
processes are flawed.

Speaker 16 (01:09:23):
Every number proves it.

Speaker 25 (01:09:25):
His definition of winning.

Speaker 33 (01:09:27):
Is flawed as well, the valuable franchise and one of
the lowest winning percentages as an owner. Winning to him
is a contractual success. Nick constantly bites him in the urs.
If you really want somethingbody you're willing to change. Also,
did you know the Bengals have the third least amount
of Hall of Famers. Things that make you say, hmmm,
let's get Kenny in there.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Okay, thank you, Ardie. As usual, you are one point. Yes,
it's been like that since the Bengals inception. The Steelers
have always disrespected the Bengals. It just always goes that way,
and you hardly ever hear. Oftentimes there's not even a flag.
They have single handedly ended playoff and potential Super Bowl
runs correct and sometimes it seems like it's on purpose.

(01:10:09):
But every time it goes the other way, it's like
a federal case. They're turning into crybags. I'm not saying
what Chase did was right, but there's another side.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Okay, there are two sides to every story.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
If you want a little hope him for the defense.

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (01:10:25):
Seattle, for instance, has gone from twenty fourth to fourteenth
to nine. Now I think so, you know, it is
possible to make things happen fairly quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
The only difference in Seattle is their coach is a
proven defensive genius. That's the only difference.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Is all right him, you'll be a bliss.

Speaker 13 (01:10:46):
That's Austin.

Speaker 12 (01:10:48):
You said something insightful, which is rare. So I had
to do a little talking too on it. You said,
Mike Brown wants to win. He doesn't any hate flus,
wants to win his way, and his way has flaws. Well,
the same with Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones wants to win,
but it has to be his way. He would rather

(01:11:09):
than lose doing it his way than let somebody else
be in charge. And there's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Okay, I think that's fair.

Speaker 34 (01:11:18):
Yeah, Kenny Anderson has got to be put in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Is just so ridiculous.

Speaker 34 (01:11:24):
Agree, the Pistons are something else?

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
Okay, see unreal.

Speaker 34 (01:11:29):
Seems like Zach Taylor's had enough press conferences for one week. Yeah,
it's Taylor's Bengals. They tried to kill our punter two
different times. You know, it's it's bad when that happened.

Speaker 35 (01:11:43):
Yeah, it's the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Hey, Lord.

Speaker 35 (01:11:45):
The silent reporters always asked Zach Taylor going into halftime,
so what adjustments do you think you'll make? He always
brings up, well, we need to make defensive stops and
get to create turnovers. He may want to tell that
to your team back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It's true.

Speaker 36 (01:12:05):
No love, no love, no love for that city up
there in the city, Sonny, Come on, Ben, I heard
your Pittsburgh's a flywer city. One of the worst stadiums,
the worst cities I've received, Flower City, ugly colors, yellow
and black pirates to the pitt Panthers, to the Squealers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Man sucks man.

Speaker 36 (01:12:23):
I ain't forgot about what you guys did us back
in the day. That's why we don't like that city.
That's why we don't like that team. I gotta respectful
the Cleveland Browns and I got for them real talk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
And the Ravens Now, I don't respect them neither. It's
all about Bengals, okay.

Speaker 37 (01:12:36):
I mean, you want to talk about a team that's
built for sports radio. I mean, lucky you guys. They
just put it on a fee for you and you
just got to hit it. I mean, every single day,
it's something new with the screw Having said that the organization.
You have two of the best players in the sport,
two of the best in the sport. You think the
Saints or the Jets would want Joe Burrow and Jamar
Chase to start their franchises they had into free agency.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
In the draft.

Speaker 37 (01:12:58):
You already have that this is not a little tear down.
You can't fix this if you're competent, which I'm not
quite sure they are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, it is fixable.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I do not think this is a complete rebuild, and
I think that's part of the reason why Zach will
probably keep his job. And you know, whether you agree
with that or not, I can see a world that
they are a playoff team next year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I can.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Okay, did I hear.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Zach say something about first and second down we're quote
unquote good.

Speaker 25 (01:13:27):
Is he referring to Pittsburgh went on every second and
ten we ran the ball with almost no success.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I'm hoping I heard that wrong, But if you guys
heard it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Differently, please I think he was talking about the defense.
There was some good tackling on first and second downs.
On defense, If you remember, there was conversions of third
and ten, third and eleven, third and seventeen, third and
sixteen eleven. Yeah, so they did get him in third
and long.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
I think he was talking can we.

Speaker 9 (01:13:58):
Find out what?

Speaker 37 (01:13:59):
Talkbackers into Zach Taylor's press conference and asked the question
about looking.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Ahead to Thursday night.

Speaker 16 (01:14:04):
He was that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
It took a while to get there.

Speaker 38 (01:14:08):
What What other NFL teams can you think of that
struggle to score offensively because they can't scheme their way
out of what the defense is showing them in coverage.
I mean, typically it's because they don't have enough talent.
But when I think about the Bengals, I think about
how Zach Taylor can't scheme against zone coverage against the
Steelers to get anything done offensively. And then I also

(01:14:30):
think about twenty twenty two during the first part of
the season, when he could have schemed his way out
of cover two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I mean, come on, we did. We did have a
lengthy conversation about cover two a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I think you can go back and look at the
film from Pittsburgh and see there was a handful of
plays that Joe Flacco missed. There was at least two
where Noahfense was wide open for a touchdown. And Flacco
didn't hit him and it was either a protection issue
or Flacco checked it down or whatever it was. I
think the big thing is that third option hasn't been winning.

(01:15:05):
Fant won a couple times, Yoshibas hasn't won enough.

Speaker 31 (01:15:10):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Maybe with Kiseki back, that has a role in it.
I understand your counter to that would be you have
Jamar Chase and T Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
But there are some plays that the Bengals offensively left
out there, and specifically the quarterback left out there against
the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
There's two sides of her story.

Speaker 23 (01:15:29):
One's a line and one's the true and Mike Brown
and the Bengals front office have been lying to it
our sales for years, thinking that their way works.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
There you go, Thank you, Kevin. It was our last one,
all right, A break and a football in the Natty
that we're gonna have some fun with when we come back.
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Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Welcome back football in Nati. Here we go ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. It's our number two. We're gonna
switch gears in our number three. We're gonna get some
college basketball on multiple fronts. But before we get to that, Austin,
I thought we could have some fun here because Matt
Miller came up with his twenty twenty six NFL Mock
Draft first round predictions. Okay, and I thought, what better

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time than now to dive right in. I like Matt
Miller with both feet. Now here's what's almost comical to me.
Restaurant named after him. The Jets the number one overall pick.
They have this as a projected trade with the Tennessee Titans.
Titans have their quarterback. Jets. Don't Jets move up to
number one? They tast of all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
I love that it is a November mock draft with
a projected trade at number one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I like that a lot. We go right, we go
right into it. Fernando mendo first one off the board.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
That would be an unmitigated disaster in the city of
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I don't know what's going on with Fernando Mendoza. But
I think there's some layers of the onion that need
to be be peeled back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I feel like when I watch him in interviews, it
looks like he's reading off a script.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I don't know someone I don't want to say something,
you know, sure inappropriate or insensitive. Yeah, but I would
worry about that in that city. But okay, let's go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Well let's let's let's get even better here. Number two,
the Browns swap spots with the Giants and they take
Dante More quarterback from Oregon. Okay, but the Browns Dylan
Gabriel Shador Sanders. Let's take another one. They get the
Oregon quarterback at number two. Now number three, the Giants

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we get into uh, they take a tackle from Myamy.
The Tennessee Titans take Jordan Tyson, wide receiver from Arizona State.
Good player. The Raiders. Number five, they find their quarterback
in ty Simpson. Already what I'm seeing here, Austin not
a great quarterback class. Yeah, we've all known that for
a while. Three out of the top five are quarterbacks.
According to Matt Miller's first round mock draft of twenty

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twenty six, which is hard to even say on November nineteenth,
but here we are. That's what happens when you get
three wins on a season. The New Orleans Saints Austin
rvel Reese linebacker, Ohio State, that's a shame. Number seven
the Washington Commanders take Reuben Bain junior edge rusher from
Miami and then to back edge rushers. Number eight the

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Cincinnati Bengals, and he guess, I hope Caleb Downs Keldrick
Falk edge rusher. That would be a Bengals pick Auburn,
a guy who's ginormous and strong and powerful, but doesn't
do anything boom. He's got like uh he is two
sacks six six eighty five with two sacks, no force, humble,
no interceptions.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
That would infuriate me. If Downs is there and they
took Kendrick was that was going to be the point
I was making on this Now. In twenty twenty four,
he did have seven sacks, which is what two and
a half more than what.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Who am I thinking of? Jamar Stewart had in his career.
So seven sacks in twenty twenty four, but just to
this year only been in on a total of twenty
six tackles, just just don't shoot the messenger. This is
just the mock draft. Can you imagine, though, Austin, if
Caleb Downs is sitting there at number eight and the

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Bengals pass on him and take a physical monster but
just not putting up the stats on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
It would basically be Karl Lawston Part two. I've looked
this up while you were talking. The next pick, he
has Caleb Downs going to Arizona and it says, quote, yep,
Downs is the top player on my board. So his
top board Matt Miller's number top you know whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Is Caleb Downs amazing, best player on the board. And
it says the Cardinals need a safety upgrade. What is
Matt Miller watching?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I think it's a good mock draft because he's basing
it off the history and the strands that the Bengals
have done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
This wouldn't surprise me. No, it would be maddening if
Caleb Downs were there and they get a physical specimen
that just hasn't quite produced yet.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
You know, Caleb downs middle name, what is it? Third mmm?
I thought it was turnover. And also I like that
you can do money money Downs. I like that a lot.
I would be thrilled if they got does he have?
Does he have Cayden McDonald going?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Uh, Spencer, let me tell you this now, ten Spencer
Fono of the the tackle from Utah. That dude's a
monster as well. Jeremiah Love is up here. Who'd you
ask for? Uh, Cayden McDonald. Cayden McDonald. He's got Cardial
Tate going to the Steelers nineteen damn it. Nineteen damn it.
He's got Cayden McDonald at twenty three to the Niners. Yeah,

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that dude's a beast.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
So you're thinking trade back, I think that's I'm not kidding.
I think that's possible trade back. The Bengals tried to
trade back in the first round this year and they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I think the Bengals have to address linebacker, and they'll
take Anthony Hill Junior, who on Matt Miller's list right
now is number thirty two. They reached for Anthony Hill.
It wouldn't be surprised if he took a corner either. Yeah,
I'm sorry I did. I had to laugh because I'm
scrolling down this earlier today and I'm like Ketdrick and
so now I'm like, all right, let me, look up,
Keldric falk, I would lose my two sacks six six

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eighty five, it says built in the mold of that's right,
Hendrick said, Oh yeah, great, Caleb Downs would still be
on the board. Oh after they just passed on Jehad
Campbell last year, let's pass again on a the best
player in Matt Miller's board. What a shock that would be.

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That's fun though, right November wouldn't be a shock at all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
But if Duke Tobin thinks she's had some bad days
on this station over the last couple of weeks, Oh,
hell hath no fury like me? If that happened, Downs
is passed for Kildrin. If I'm on the air the
night of the draft, oh God help me. If I'm
still here, And if I'm on the air the night
of April or the day after, God help Duke Tobin.

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If that's the case, Hell hath no fury like an
Audie scorned, like audio unchanged.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I saw that this morning. My goodness. Let's uh, let's
marinate with that for a second. We'll take a break.
She's doing. Let's call her in hour two when we
get back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 39 (01:23:17):
Still since He three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty
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Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Welcome back, since he three sixty, It's ESPN fifteen thirty
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we have not looked ahead at all to what's coming
up this weekend or even now this week from a
college football and NFL standpoint, We've got a couple minutes
here before we switch gears to college basketball. We do

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get the return of macshin this evening. Austin Amy of
Ohio is a Buffalo. Okay, Miami's going through it a
little bit right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Most famous NFL player to come out of Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
U Khalil Mark. Yeah. D kwan Finn. Did you have
you followed along with this?

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
I don't know much about him. I saw he was
focusing on the NFL, and then I saw the stats,
and then I laughed out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah, seventh year guy. Da Kwan Finn is no longer
with Miami. He was a big get from Toledo to
how many years? Seven years? Oh my lord, So in
year seven he's like, you know what, I'm just gonna
step away from the team and go focus on the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I think the interest from NFL teams between myself and
Dakwan Finn is not that different.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Yeah, started at Baylor, went to Toledo, finished at Miami.
Seven year player, three teams, has left the program. He's
left the building to begin preparing for the NFL. Aka
to me, and I don't have inside info, that would
mean he probably quit on the team. It would seem
that way back. Why else would you leave the team

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in the middle of the year, Yeah, because things aren't
going your way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
By the way, I just saw a picture that You've
talked about this a lot, Joe Burrow being able to
push off with that left foot from under center.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Kelsey Conway just posted a picture of him doing exactly that. Okay,
working with Ted Carriss on the quarterback center exchange and
Burrow of course starting eleven on eleven work today.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I just think that's notable.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
I mean, obviously, just get the ball turned around, that's yeah,
and walk through type speed, that's one thing.

Speaker 11 (01:25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I think the the initial explosion I think is going
to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Is that something? Because explain this to me. I see
some quarterbacks kind of have their left foot back, some
quarterbacks have their right foot back. Is there a science
behind that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
So ideally you want you want to be as even
as possible. But the main thing is you want to
avoid a step with your left foot as you're turning
away from the center. That false step you got the
center being pushed back. You've got guards that are pulling
at times. I can't I couldn't count the times I've
been stepped on pulling away from under center, right, And

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that's that's got to be a worry too, yes, And
that's a huge worry about anything under center. So for me,
it was easier to put my left foot a little
further up when I was under center, because if your
left foot is further up, you would be less opposed
to picking that foot up and moving it more forward,
you know what I mean. If my right foot's up,

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I'm almost just swapping out. So if my left foot's forward,
now I'm just taking it and I'm pushing straight back
as quick as I can to get away from the center.
So that to me, again, that has to be quick
and violent like when we we were always taught, like
with our drops, that first step has to be fast

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and huge, and then your next couple of steps you're
just kind of getting your balance back. But you've got
a care e a a large, large amount of separation
in that first step.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
And is is that like quarterback preference on the step
about your foot?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, was more comfortable, But again the main thing is
you however you do it, you got to avoid a
fall step because then you're stepping closer to the center
and if you've got a nose guard that's pushing at all,
all of a sudden, Ted Krris is now stepping on
that left foot. No, no, no, no, no no. You
see all the time when quarterbacks fall. Who fell earlier
in the year and they scored a touchdown off it?

(01:27:35):
Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, that like that's just the
guard is pulling you get stepped on. It just creates
a bad scenario. Interesting, real quick, it is a do
we call this the bye week in college football? For
the most part, not a ton of marquee games. I
mean that the top teams Texas A and M's playing Sandford,
Ohio State has Rutgers, Missouri, Ohome, the formidable fighting for

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ball eligibility. All right, let's get Todd Fraser on the show. Yeah,
what's he doing, Let's call him. I think I saw
thirty three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Thirty one and a half. Okay, and that's with Smith
and Tate. Yeah, questionable, that's yep, yep. I'm sure the
Ohio State in Michigan and Indiana are not pleased with
the rest of the conference, which has been a running
joke for a while. With that conference agreed, there is
only one other Top twenty five matchup this weekend outside

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of Missouri and Oklahoma. That would be usc Is traveling
to Autson Stadium to take on Oregon. So you get
that outside of Georgia is gonna take on one and
nine Charlotte that spread his forty three and a half
game for the forty nine ers. Notre Dame host Syracuse,
Vanderbilt takes on Kentucky. What's Syracuse record three and seven?

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I was a believer in fran Brown. Yeah, it hasn't
worked out. Well, I remember exchanging texts with Dan Horde
about Frank Brown in the future of Syracuse football. Okay, well,
I haven't heard much from Dan about that lately?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Does the NFL slate get any better? Steelers Bears, the
fate of Aaron Rodgers still up a good game, especially
if Rodgers plays. I think Tomorrow night's sneaky good with
the Texans getting.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Too five and five. Yeah, CJ. Stroud not gonna play
not gonna play it. And I keep seeing the clips
of that concussion. That's just a gnarly concussion, Davis Mills.
But that Texas Houston Texans front seven is nasty, dude.
They create problems on opposing team's offenses. So uh yeah,
I think that might be a sneaky good game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Lions cannot lose a step against the Giants because the
Lions are out of the playoffs right now. Looking in, Packers, Vikings, Seahawks, Titans, Colts, Chiefs,
Colts Chiefs would be a good one coach coming off
of bye Chiefs. Also on the outside, looking in, the
Jets take on the Baltimore Ravens, Brown's Raiders. That's a
terrible game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Flex that to Sunday Night with Shadaddy out there, Eagles, Cowboys,
Time Time, Bucks, Rams, Sunday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I'm in. I like the Monday night game Panthers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Hopkins. Yeah for Panthers, Niners six and five Panthers. But
I think that's a sneaky good game right there. For
Carolina Dave Doutas, I'm a big fan of his, Rico,
Uncle Rico. Yeah, that Sunday night game is going to
be electric.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
All right, let's take a break. Let's come back. College
basketball last night locally not good for the Kentucky Wildcats.
We'll discuss that, and a big bounce back win for
Richard Patino and Xavier we'll get to both of those.
Pat Kelsey in an interview he did with Lance. We
got a couple of minutes of that, and we'll talk
some Cincinnati cancer advisors as well. All on our number three,

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Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
All right, welcome back. It is our three and we
thank our friends at Penn Station. Thank you for listening
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station or via the
iHeartRadio app. Obviously, we've talked all week about the Cincinnati Bengals.
We'll talk more about the Bengals over the next couple
of days, as well as a big matchup coming to
Clifton between UC and BYU. What we have not done

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yet is really dive into the college basketball world. And
there are some things happening locally that we do need
to discuss, and we'll do so in this hour. We'll
talk about the matchup on Friday night. Today and tomorrow
you'll hear a conversation that Pat Kelsey had with Lance
McCallister last night, the head coach of Louisville, as they
get ready to come to Heritage Bank Arena and tomorrow.

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As of now, we are said to have Wes Miller
on the show to get a bearcat perspective of the
matchup coming to Heritage Bank Arena on Friday between UC
and Louisville. Of course, it is a busy Friday in
the Queen City and a busy weekend. Elder Saint X
has been moved to pay Court Stadium on Friday night.
Big noon kickoff comes to Clifton on Saturday, and then

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an eight pm start follow that at a one o'clock
start for the Bengals and the New England Patriots. And
it's back the MLS Playoffs Sunday night, TQL Stadium, FC
Cincinnati and enter Miami with Leonel Messi coming into town.
This is different, right, Austin. This is a winning one

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and done. This is no longer a three game series anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Okay, winning, you're done whenning, you move on. Lose and
your season ends right now. In the MLS last night,
Xavier and Kentucky both in action, both with far different results.
Let's start with the Xavier Musketeers, who came in as
I believe, just a nine and a half or ten
and a half point favorite against Old Dominion. Xavier was

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coming off back to back losses against Santa Clara and Iowa.
They are looking ahead just a couple of days. They
take on Georgia, which is a common opponent between both
UC and Xavier in the non conference schedule. It was
Richard Patino's two hundred and fiftieth career win as an
NCAA coach last night, and they did so in big fashion.

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They jumped on old Dominion early. They led fifty one
to twenty nine at half en route to a ninety
nine to sixty nine win at the Sintas Center. Four
different Xavier Musketeers all had twenty points in the game.
That is insane. Four different Xavier Musketeers all eclipsed the

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twenty point plateau. This is what Richard Patino had to
say after last night's win.

Speaker 8 (01:33:45):
First and foremost, thank you to our amazing fans. That
was not a very pretty drive over with the weather,
so to get over nine thousand just shows especially how
we played the you know, the last time we're in
the building, So very very appreciative of how loyal loyal
our fans are. And you know, also want to give

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a great shout out to Bob colehep. You know, I
know it's the twenty fifth year anniversary of this building
opening up. This is one of the reasons I took
the job was to have an on campus facility, you know,
just right in the middle, you know, the heart of campus.
I know Bob really fought for that and I think
it's impacted this community in an amazing way. So his

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vision not only changed the basketball program, but it changed
Xavier and very very appreciative of that. It's an amazing
home court. We played great basketball today. Certainly, twenty nine assists, amazing,
four guys in twenty points. I don't know if I've
ever seen that, So a lot of really good things.

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Rebounded the basketball very very well, and you know, very
very proud of the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Twenty nine assists to just nine turnovers will win you
a lot of basketball games. They out rebounded Old Dominion
by twenty five more steals. They blocked the ball, they
rebounded the ball. It was just and that was It
looked like a different Xavier team. And again it's a
one game sample size, but Richard Patino is a good
college basketball coach. This team is going to continue to

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get better. I also thought it was interesting kind of
mixing around the starting lineup. Richard Patino said last night,
I'm trying to establish a culture in year one of
how we want to play. And now culture is okay,
let's let's figure out the five that work. And kudos
to Richard Patino who last night was able to do
that for the Xavier Musketeers. Again, it's a quicker turnaround.

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It's a Friday night game for the Xavier Musketeers as
they take on Georgia that is part of the Shriners
Children's Charleston's Charleston Classic. I believe the way that is
set up, I'm gonna pull up the bracket right now,
I believe they would play if they win or lose,

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They're gonna play one of the two of West Virginia
or Clemson as well. So Xavier will play Friday against
Georgia and then they will turn around on Sunday and
play either West Virginia or Clemson. Which is odd because
Clemson is also a non conference opponent of the Cincinnati
Bearcats as well, So potentially Xavier and U SEE both

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will be playing in the non conference Georgia and Clemson
Xavier wins. We cannot say the same Austin for the
Kentucky Wildcats last night, I wouldn't even say beaten. I
would say smashed, demolished in all phases of the game.
They went into the game. They went into the game
against Michigan State as a favorite, and Michigan State dominated

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from start to finish forty four to twenty seven. Was
the lead at half. That is the lead that it
stayed throughout the game, eighty three sixty six. Tom Izzo
and the Michigan State Spartans have a win already on
this early season. Not as highly ranked of an early
team for Michigan State, but they will be. They beat

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Arkansas and last night they took care of Kentucky. Kentucky
I thought looked disjointed. I thought they looked lost at times.
They do not play well together. Yet I know that
that they're still getting guys back in the fold. I
believe that they still have some injuries that they're dealing with,
and not that that that gives you any type of

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freedom or any longer leash. I know Jayden Quinton's is
not playing yet, and I know that's a big part
of who they are and who they're going to be inside.
But nonetheless, I know they had a lot of top
fifteen wins last year. I know Mark Pope has done
some good things Austin. There is a precedent set when
you spend twenty two million dollars on a roster that
you're going to win games, and so far this season,

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in their toughest games, they were not close for much
of the game against Louisville, and they were not close
last night against Michigan State. It's a Kentucky team that
in the non conference still has to play North Carolina, Gonzaga,
Saint John's before getting into SEC play and starting at Alabama.

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Those are all teams ranked in the top eighteen in
the country. So Kentucky has a lot of work to do.
They've got a lot to figure out. Do we have
the audio of Mark Pope with Jeff Goodman after the
game last night? We do? All right, that's what this
sounds like.

Speaker 40 (01:38:26):
What are you going through right now in terms of
the frustration after this loss.

Speaker 41 (01:38:32):
Well, I don't want to take away Anthony from Michigan say,
because Tom is one of the great coaches in college
of basketball. And those guys played tough and together and
hard and played well. So you know, mostly just credit
those guys and and we are facing a monumental challenge

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right now, and I'm excited to see if we can
figure it out.

Speaker 40 (01:38:58):
You hinted that's something like this a week or so
ago before the Louisville game or after the Louisville game.
Did you sense that this has been kind of brewing
throughout the preseason.

Speaker 41 (01:39:13):
No, I'm I'm I'm I'm disappointed with how disconnected we've been.

Speaker 11 (01:39:26):
I thought I had a better pulse.

Speaker 41 (01:39:28):
I thought I I thought I was doing a better
job coaching than I'm doing right now. So it's been
it's been eye opening for me a little bit. So,
you know, I'm a little bit surprised.

Speaker 40 (01:39:41):
And by coaching, you're not talking about actually you know,
it's as much as you're talking about getting these guys
to play for the Kentucky name.

Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
No, I think it's everything.

Speaker 41 (01:39:54):
I think it's it's it's it's development culture, it's the
right care, it's the right focus, it's the right schemes,
it's the right next to the house. It's a im
portant job. The nice thing is I can fix it,
like we can fix it. But it's a really disappointing result.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Austin, I don't know what even to make of that.
That sounds like a defeated coach whose season just ended.
Seem pretty broken.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Obviously, his voice was gone from yelling, so that made
it sound even worse. Yeah, it's been weary. Beginning, it
felt like he had just watched his dog die.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Like you remember after the Louisville game. I don't know
if you caught this or not, but there was a
point in which he said, quote, I'm not ready to
tell the story yet, but at some point we'll talk
in detail about our pregame experience at Louisville. It was
out of character for us. That was odd idea. And
then you start to kind of dive in to who

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and what this team has been. And there were rumblings
last night that during a timeout in the second half
play were quote barking at each other. It just feels
like and Mark Pope added to it, his message isn't
resonating with the team. He does not have a pulse

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on the team right now. And again, it's it's the
tough part about college athletics right now. When you spend
that much money on a roster, you've got a lot
of different personalities coming into together and you'd better be
able to manage them altogether. And right now, that is
a struggle with the Kentucky Wildcats, now another team. The

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Kentucky lost to the Louisville Cardinals. They get ready to
come to Heritage Bank Arena on Friday. Their head coach
Pat Kelsey spent some time last night a few minutes
with Lance McAllister. We'll get a little bit of that
audio when we get back. We'll see if we get
time for any phone calls next On ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station. Thank you to Penn Station.

Speaker 36 (01:41:52):
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Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Welcome back since he three sixty Thanks to Penn Station.
Thank you for listening. On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
We are scheduled to have Wes Miller join us tomorrow
on the show. But the other half of Friday night's
game at the Heritage Bank Arena between UC and Louisville
Louisville coach by Pat Kelcey, Lance McAllister was able to

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catch up with Pat Kelsey last night. This is part
of their conversation leading into Friday Night's game against UC.

Speaker 29 (01:42:39):
I was gonna ask you what most impressed you about
your team's four and oh start, But I'm going to
take a guess and looking at the notes today, you
guys have ninety assists on one hundred and thirty three baskets.
That's sixty eight percent. You're you're dishing twenty two assists
per game. You gotta love the sharing on this team.

Speaker 42 (01:42:59):
Yeah, we have a hopeless team lance that shares the
ball and gives up good for great But we got
what we got our work cut out for us on Friday.
Coach Miller's Bearcats are one of the best defensive teams
in the country and in fact Ken Palm, which you
know coaches really value that ranking system, it has them the.

Speaker 13 (01:43:20):
Number two defense in the entire country. So you talk about.

Speaker 42 (01:43:24):
Our ability to share the ball and score the ball,
and that's been the hallmark of the first four games. Well,
we have a huge challenge at Heritage Bank Arena on
Friday at six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
So hoping for a.

Speaker 42 (01:43:37):
Big crowd, big time college basketball atmosphere.

Speaker 29 (01:43:39):
Well, you have a freshman guard who is certainly sharing
it and scoring it. Tell everybody about Mike Heel Brown junior,
who's averaging twenty four points a game and six assists
per game.

Speaker 42 (01:43:50):
Yeah, Mikel's a special talent, an extremely decorated player out.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
Of high school.

Speaker 42 (01:43:55):
Obviously, you know McDonald's All American, all the stars that
you can imagine.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
You know that the draft boards have his name all over.

Speaker 13 (01:44:03):
It, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
I say all that to talk about.

Speaker 42 (01:44:07):
The most impressive thing about the young man is his humility.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
It's the type of teammate he is. It's his coach ability.

Speaker 42 (01:44:16):
If you met him and you walked in a room
and had a conversation with him, you would never ever
know that he had all these accolades and stars. And
he's just a world class young man. And he's a
terrific basketball player, special talent, great basketball mind and thinker, playmaker,

(01:44:36):
can really really put the ball in the basket. He's
got a complete game.

Speaker 29 (01:44:42):
Pat I was talking with Brooks Downing the other night
from BDG Global Sports, who's putting on this event, and
we talked about how putting together a matchup like this
you need coaches who are willing and interested in doing
it to begin with. What made this matchup appealing? What
made this adventure makes sense for your team?

Speaker 42 (01:45:00):
Well, you know, we put together lance arguably the most
difficult non conference schedule in the country if you look
at and I'm not looking anywhere past Friday, but it's like,
we got the Lakers next, and then we got the Celtics,
and I think we played the Bulls.

Speaker 13 (01:45:16):
Then we go on the West Coast and we.

Speaker 42 (01:45:17):
Got the Lakers, So, you know, I have so much
respect for Wes.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
I know that they're very well coached.

Speaker 42 (01:45:26):
It's going to be a terrific challenge and ultimately, at
the end of the day, when you get to the
end of the season, you want to be able, you know,
to have your resume in front of that committee and
put yourself in the best position possible. You know, we
had a magical year last year. We went eighteen and
two in the ACC. We won twenty seven games, and

(01:45:49):
then you know, somehow we got an eight seed, and
we just wanted to make sure that we put ourselves
in a position that if we if we do what
we're supposed to do throughout the course of the year,
when a high percentage of our games with the schedule
we're playing, that that won't happen again.

Speaker 29 (01:46:07):
Pat, As you know, when we were growing up, Heritage
Bank Center was known as Riverfront Coliseum. Is it safe
to say you probably attended more than a few games
in your day.

Speaker 9 (01:46:15):
Man, it's crazy lands.

Speaker 16 (01:46:16):
It's like the.

Speaker 13 (01:46:17):
Nostalgia getting ready to go up.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
There because I grew up going there.

Speaker 42 (01:46:25):
One of my first memories is going to a Crosstown shootout.
I was trying to figure out the year earlier today.
It might have been seventy nine or eighty. I want
to say Roger mcclindon was playing in the game. I
want to say Anthony Hicks, the great Anthony Hicks from Xavier.

Speaker 13 (01:46:44):
Was playing in the game.

Speaker 42 (01:46:45):
And I just remember being I think it was my
first basketball experience, like at a big time arena, and
I just thought it was so cool that they brought
the floor in. It was a portable floor, and I
just the spectacle of the lights. And then I went
home that night, I cut up a bunch of cardboard boxes,
went down in the basement and created like my own

(01:47:07):
Riverfront Coliseum floor. And to know that I'm going there
to coach there where I grew up going to Disney
on ice and concerts and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:47:17):
It's kind of a full circle moment.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
That is fantastic.

Speaker 29 (01:47:21):
Pat Kelsey hanging out just a couple more minutes on
Sports Talk. All Right, I gotta ask you a medical question.
Did you in fact suffer an injury to your finger
after the Kentucky win?

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Are you on the injured list at this moment? Yeah,
I'm a knucklehead.

Speaker 42 (01:47:35):
I mean, no pun intended, so right about my middle finger,
right about the knuckle. I dislocated my finger in the
celebration after the Kentucky game. Literally lance my finger went
straight up to the knuckle and then it made an
abrupt right hand ninety degree turn. And I looked down

(01:47:56):
and the adrenaline was just pumping through my body because
we had just beat Kentucky, so I didn't really feel
it very much. And I went over to the trainer,
and you know, one of my assistant coaches got gennausous.
He started throwing up because it looks so nasty. Doctor
comes in and starts yanking on it. Straightened it out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:13):
But if it.

Speaker 42 (01:48:14):
Takes losing a digit to beat Kentucky, you can take
all of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Them all, right, there is a I like that last line.
It takes losing a digit to beat a team, I'll
do it. Oh, he said Kentucky. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
I'm sure a lot of our fans aren't happy about that.
Listen to this station, which is the home of the
Kentucky Wildcast here and that, but they want it. I'm
sure they appreciated that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Here's what else I like Pat Kelsey talk about what
his family will go through this Friday. Pat Kelsey had
started his college high school career at Roger Bak and
grew up in Cincinnati. Transferred to Elder as a senior.
I know that Kelsey family is big in the Elder community.
Do you think any family members would choose to go
watch Elder over Pat's Louisville Cardinals on Friday? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Oh yeah, I think a lot of I wouldn't surprise
me at all. That's west Side for you, man. It
is the west Side.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
It's west Side high school football that's doing amazing things.
He did amazing things at the College of Charleston, did
amazing things at Winthrop, and now legit has Louisville as
a national championship contender in just his second year as
a head coach at Louisville. Before we get a break
in and uh and switch gears to some Cincinnati cancer

(01:49:25):
advisors conversation, Let's take a phone called Mark is calling in.
What's up?

Speaker 39 (01:49:29):
Mark?

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Mark? What's up?

Speaker 9 (01:49:33):
There's the old thing about you know?

Speaker 13 (01:49:35):
Pointing?

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Mark doesn't seem to be panted, man, Thanks Mark? Dangerous
for Mark? Should we try the other Mark? Yeah? Mark?

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Hello Mark, Mark and Dell High you're on the air,
Mark can you hear us? Marky mark Man? All right,
just not a day for Marks on the show x
Marks the Spot.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Wow? How about that? How about that Hunt TRUCKA ain't not?
Ain't that bad?

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
What's the line for this game? This can tell this
Cincinnati Louisville game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
So they don't They don't make college basketball lines yet.
They make them the day of the games. But if
you go to ESPN dot com, they have what's their uh,
their BPI, and they can make BPI predictions and they're
normally pretty close to what the line is going to be.
Any guess what BPI predicts, Uh, Louisville's nineteen and a half. Yikes.

(01:50:41):
They have Louisville right now nine and a half. Okay,
so I think it'll be somewhere around that, maybe ten
and a half. Make no mistake about it. Louisville is
a very good basketball team.

Speaker 7 (01:50:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
I don't know if they have the hardest non conference schedule,
as Pat Kell he alluded to.

Speaker 37 (01:51:00):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
They have wins over South Carolina State, Jackson State, o U.
They'll play Eastern Michigan, New Jersey I and J I T.
I don't know who that is. Arkansas. They do play
tennis Tennessee. Before getting into acc of Arkansas that game
last night, did you see that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
I think they played Winthrop and Arkansas had four players ejected.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Was that right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Or was it four players total from the game got
ejected and they barely escaped.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
That was crazy. It was a bonkers, bonkers game. Arkansas
took a lead I think with like eleven seconds left
in the game. Yeah, so there were I believe multiple
players ejected based on like coming on the court and
stuff too from a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
So good for Arkansas, good win. I also wanted to
to point this out. I know we're gonna get into
a bit of a topic change coming up, but did
you see what Michael Jordan did in North Carolina?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
And Michael Jordan Moore? Yes, Okay, Wilmington, North Carolina. Michael
Jordan gave a ten million dollar donation to a North
Carolina Regional Medical Center in honor of his mother, the
Loris Jordan Man. With the donation, the medical center will

(01:52:24):
name its neuroscience ner its Neuroscience Institute after the Lauris Jordan.
How about that. I think that's pretty cool. Mj always
just ten million crazy, that's why I'm wearing the Jays today.
Crazy man. Shout out to Michael. That's pretty cool man.
I mean he's a billionaire. Ten million is nothing to him,
but still just that good things that changes that entire area,

(01:52:49):
that can that can help so many people.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
It's a good leeway into what we're going to talk
about next because the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation and Sininati Cancer
Advisors are doing unbelievable things here locally as well. I
don't think enough people know exactly everything that they're doing.
So Lana Yulrig is the executive director of Cincinnati Cancer
Advisors and they have something really really cool coming up

(01:53:13):
that she is going to share with us when we
come back. It is known as Rivalry on the Rocks Raffle,
and she's going to tell you more about that next
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back since
e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, our
number three. As we roll right along, let's spend some

(01:53:35):
time talking about something awesome that we have coming up
here in Cincinnati. And it's especially awesome for me as
a partner and a foundation and someone that's helping and
has helped my family and so many other families the
Cincinnati Cancer Foundation. We're able to talk here today to
Lana Jurig, the executive director of the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation,

(01:53:59):
about some really cool stuff coming up. Lena, how are
you doing.

Speaker 43 (01:54:01):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Thanks so much for having me to absolutely, absolutely, there's
a lot we can discuss. Let's dive right in though
to what's going on right now with Rivalry on the
Rocks and this campaign that you guys are running. Let's
just start with that. What is Rivalry on the Rocks?
And we hear so much.

Speaker 43 (01:54:17):
About well, thanks so much for having us here to
talk about this today and the rival Rivalry on the
Rocks is our end of year campaign that we're doing
with this inciety Cancer Foundation to support the care that
we provide through this inside Cancer Advisors in Naples Cancer Advisors.
And it's a really cool package promotional opportunity for a

(01:54:38):
lucky winner and we're very excited to work with iHeart
on this. The package includes two tickets to the exciting
January fourth Bengals Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Game, possibly Joe Burrow back playing quarterbacks.

Speaker 43 (01:54:51):
We hope like that's you know, get your lucky chance
so that you can you can go see that and
that is in the iHeartRadio suite. And there's also as
part of the package and on air opportunity or an
in studio opportunity with Tony Pike to spend some time
to see what happens behind the scenes in the studio.

(01:55:14):
We have a five hundred dollars gift card for food
and what's really nice about this package is there's a
two night stay at the beautiful Ltel Park Hotel and
we're very thankful for their support and contribution. And also
a bottle of heaven Hill Bourbon eighteen years signed by
the master distiller. So a really nice package. And that's

(01:55:37):
the rivalry on the Vox theme that we went with.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Let's dive in a little bit. Obviously, the Cleveland and
Cincinnati game, regardless of teams records and where they stand,
a rivalry game is always different and always means more.
You know, it's going to be a great environment. So
that's fun in itself. Let's talk about the donations. One,
the cost or how the chances work from a donation
stamdpoin and then we'll dive into what the donations are

(01:56:02):
actually supporting with the foundation great.

Speaker 43 (01:56:05):
So one hundred dollars donation gets you one chance into
the raffle. You can choose as many of those as
you like. If you do a thousand dollars donation, you
get fifteen chances, so you get a little bit more
opportunity to win with a bit larger donation. And so
all of this money stays local and goes to support

(01:56:25):
the care that we provide at the Cincinnati Cancer Advisors
and the Sincinnti Cancer Advisors. If people aren't familiar with
what we do, we are a free second opinion clinic
for patients who are facing a cancer diagnosis. And so
for those of you have had cancer, you realize what
a very chaotic time that can be when you get

(01:56:48):
a cancer diagnosis and you're oftentimes wandering, am I doing
the right thing?

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Should I stay local?

Speaker 43 (01:56:54):
Should I go someplace else? And what we do is
hire expert physicians who provide a second opinion, a complete
consultative review of your case. We get all of your
medical records, You have a one to two hour visit
with an oncologist face to face or by telehealth, whichever
is the preference. So you get amazing face time with

(01:57:17):
a physician who just really sits down and goes through
your whole diagnosis with you, soup to nuts, and so
you really walk out of that visit understanding what's going on,
understanding if you're on the right treatment plan. Our physicians
communicate with your physicians so that it's all very synergistic,
and we really like to think of ourselves as honest brokers.

(01:57:41):
We're not trying to compete, we're not trying to treat
the patient. We're consultative only, and we just really are
altruistically wanting the best for patients.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
It's a separate side because I think so many with
a cancer diagnosis or someone they know with a cancer diagnosis,
you feel lost, You feel lonely. At times, you probably
just feel like you're going through the motions, and you
guys come in and offer what feels like a partnership
where your a voice is actually heard exactly and there's
other options. So many times that diagnosis itself can be

(01:58:12):
dark and consuming, and you guys are offering hope and
second opinions and chances to people that I think the
biggest thing for me is I just I don't think
people know enough about this being out there and something
that they can take advantage of to help them or
help a loved one.

Speaker 43 (01:58:28):
That's right, it's very unique. There's really only two of
these that we know of. It exists in the United States,
and that's in Cincinnati and Southwest Florida. You can get
second opinion multiple places. That's not a new thing. But
what we do is very unique in the sense that
we're not trying to keep patients for care. It's really
all of our services are provided free of charge. We

(01:58:50):
don't take an insurance card. Everything is provided free of
charge to patients and we do that all through the
generous donations through fundraisers like we're doing right now to
be able to to continue to provide these services and
hire and have the most expert oncologists to give those opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
You guys also have an awesome partnership with Ride Cincinnati
as well. Talked a little bit about what you guys
have with Ryde Cincinnati and how that's giving back as well.

Speaker 43 (01:59:17):
Yes, it's been a very exciting partnership just this year,
and we had an enormously successful Ride event in September,
and we actually just met this week to review all
of the grant applications we had over twenty seven grant
applications that came in and we had an expert review
panel that reviewed the grants, and we'll be making announcements

(01:59:40):
about the awards coming up in December and then doing
the Chech Awards in January, and we'll be distributing over
five hundred thousand dollars worth of funds to multiple organizations
across the community, so all of the health systems were
involved in this and then multiple community cancer program.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
Is there a universal spot that people can learn more
about Cincinnati hit Cancer Foundation, learn more about how to
donate and win. A winner is going to be announced.

Speaker 43 (02:00:10):
Yes, So the winner will be announced before December twentieth,
So this can be a nice Christmas gift for someone.
And you can go to Cincinnati Cancer Advisors dot org.
There's a banner at the top of the page. You
just click on that to go to the rivalry on
the Rocks campaign. You can also go to the Cincinnati

(02:00:30):
Cancer Foundation dot org website as well, so either one
of those websites will work.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
Also, that's something that they can go to throughout the
year as well to donate and find a way to
give back as well. Absolutely not right at this moment.

Speaker 43 (02:00:44):
Absolutely, So if this is not the time for you,
just you remember remember that website and remember what we do.
And we really appreciate the community support and the altruism
that the Cincinnati community is provided. They've just really wrapped
their arms around this philanthropically supported this cause that has
helped so many And I like to say Tony that

(02:01:04):
when we have patients come in to see us, they're
oftentimes very anxious. And if anybody has had to go
to a doctor's appointment, you know what it's like to
have that portal where you have all your information. And
many times cancer patients have multiple portals and they're trying
to navigate across that, and we really go in and

(02:01:27):
put that whole picture together. I like to say it's
kind of like stringing a necklace and putting the pearls on,
and we really put it all together for a patient
so they walk out understanding what's going on with their care.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
It just gives people hope, It gives them a map.
It tries to reduce some of the suffering that so
many times can be associated with cancer. It's a dual
purpose donation. It's a tax deduction and you get a
chance to win an awesome prize. All the donations are
obviously staying local with supporting amazing things that you guys
are doing. And another chance, it's two sweet tickets to

(02:01:59):
the Bengals Brown's game in early January. It's a two
nights day at the Little Park Hotel, Ultrawere, heaven Hill, Bourbon,
five hundred dollar visa gift card. And probably the icing
on the cake for this package is a chance to
come in studio for Sincy three sixty and sit in
on the show and be able to see how this works.

Speaker 43 (02:02:16):
Yes, and I think that is the that's the prize
of the pack asolutely. I love I love just having
the opportunity to come in here and see it myself.
So I think that anyone who wins this package is
going to really enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
One more time. For those listening, how they can go
and donate and get themselves involved in the package.

Speaker 43 (02:02:34):
Yes, so they can go to the Cincinnati Cancer Advisors
dot org website or the Cincinnti Cancer Foundation dot org website.
It's at the top of the page in a banner.
Just click that link and you'll also see us on
social media. I think you're going to have some stuff
posted that people can link off of and thanks so
much for supporting us, and we hope that we have

(02:02:57):
an excited winner here pretty soon.

Speaker 5 (02:02:58):
We are.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
We're excited. Thank you so much for the partnership and
literally everything you guys are doing to help and affect
so many. That is Lanta Yurig, the executive director of
the Cincinnati Cancer Foundation. This is Sincy three sixty. You're
listening on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports station from the Club.

Speaker 39 (02:03:15):
Sincy three sixty Quick Hits on ESBN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 11 (02:03:19):
Was looking for Mo.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Mo's in the building. Hey, Mo's in the building. Hi,
it's quick Hits it is. You're in the building for
the last time this week. Taking Tomorrow off, Tomorrow off,
Friday off, getting ready for the big sports weekend. Lot
going on in sports? What a big sports weekend? What's
happening Friday night? Friday night?

Speaker 14 (02:03:34):
You got the basketball? You got UC versus the Louisville Cardinals. Yes,
all of a sudden, you see versus Elder Elder is
playing saying X at the stadium downtown.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Now everybody's really excited about jlse Elder guy. Yes, well, Kelsey,
will will there be Will there be family members of
Pat Kelsey that decide to go to the Elder game
over the Louisville game.

Speaker 14 (02:03:53):
I hope Pat Kelsey goes to the Elder game. He
takes mickel Brown and Ryan Conwell with him. Any all, gosh,
I forgot about Conwell.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
Any chance that maybe Louisville just not that good After
watching Kentucky last night.

Speaker 14 (02:04:05):
Yeah, maybe that's it. They sliced the dice. Mark Pope.
That postgame a couch.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
That postgame with Jeff Goodman last night was one of
the craziest things I've ever seen. Was it crazy?

Speaker 14 (02:04:17):
And this is an audio medium? It was it crazy
because of how Mark Pope looked like somebody kidnapped his
family just passed. Meanwhile, Jeff Goodman, oh my gosh, is
doing these facial gesticulations and I put on social media.
I was gonna do this, but it was too late
last night. I was gonna put it into like a
video editor prop out Mark Pope meat the audio because

(02:04:41):
he he looks like he's watching a car wreck. Yeah,
combined with a pornographic movie. How I envisioned most of
our listeners listening to me and Tony Mark Pope. I'm
like buddy, it's November. Yeah, I've seen coaches look like that,
and it's like early February.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
It wasn't just like the season. Send it in the
tournament and.

Speaker 14 (02:05:01):
Lost to a really good, well put together Michigan State
team benefiting from continuity, Like dude, Mark, fuck up, buddy,
what the show? First of all, I need to need
to address something I am.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
I put this on.

Speaker 14 (02:05:16):
I'm a big LinkedIn guy. Now are I like to
update people with what's going on? Professional? And I made
an announcement that I have been named for our show
vice president of Strategic Content. Nice, And I feel like
some people have been misled because it's vice president of

(02:05:39):
strategic content and on air initiatives and I left that
part out and I'm so I just wanted to get
that out of the way.

Speaker 2 (02:05:47):
What's an example of an on air initiative? Well, what
we're gonna do on the show today.

Speaker 14 (02:05:50):
We're going to put forth an initiative we're going to
have on Let's see, I got the piece of paper
right here.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
This is what you do in your pressure work. This
is it, Rick Brooring.

Speaker 14 (02:06:00):
Okay, I went to the Xavier game last night, like
that guy, They made sixteen threes.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Yep, I already know what's coming. Yep.

Speaker 14 (02:06:06):
Get ready for that. In a couple of weeks, John
Cunningham is going to come on the show. Ammy Wagner
is going to come on the show. Richard Skinner's gonna
come on the show. Wes Miller is going to be
on the show. Head coach of the Bearcats is is
going to join us. We are we are looking forward
to that. Also, and I'm scrambling here, I'm looking it up.
We are going to have an announcer from MLS season

(02:06:26):
past to talk about the f C Cincinnati game.

Speaker 2 (02:06:32):
Nice.

Speaker 14 (02:06:32):
I'm also told we may have Mike Tyson on the
show today, like Iron Mike Tyson. Yeah, Mike, you know
he's got a one man show. It's gonna be at
the hard Rock Casino. I am told that we might
have Mike Tyson on the show today.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
What is his one man show? What's he doing?

Speaker 14 (02:06:50):
He shows up, He stands on stage and he uh,
he talks about his life and career, talks about fighting
Jake Paul. Apparently he's going to fight Floyd Mayweather next year.
Oh gosh, Iron Mike Tyson is next year.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
I feel like like he should make the a couple
of months, go ahead and do this now.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
Is he going to be wearing pants? You may remember
he fantausly wasn't.

Speaker 14 (02:07:12):
Yeah, So I'm told that Mike Tyson may be calling
in at some point this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Tell them about you and I's viewing experience of his
last fight. We were in Des Moines.

Speaker 14 (02:07:20):
We were I have been nervous to do one interview
in my career. It was with John Tortorella. Yeah, that
you used to be the coach of the Blue Jackets,
because he was a guy like if you asked him
the wrong question, he kind.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Of like yell at you. And we had him on
in the middle.

Speaker 14 (02:07:32):
Blue Jackets won like seventeen straight games, and we got
him on and I'm like, all right, look, if I
asked the wrong question, this man may yell at me.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
And it turned out he was awesome.

Speaker 14 (02:07:42):
I'm a little nervous about this one because I don't
quite know how good it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Fair. See, by the way, I didn't give you credit
earlier this week, I don't deserve it. I thought that
you crafted one of your best tweets over the weekend, which,
when referring to that robot falling as you walking back
to your hotel room multiple times at the Sugar Bowl
just the but my goodness, that's a fantastic tweet. So
I wanted to give you your credit now. And some
would say, who were there? Pretty accurate? Yeah, yeah, probably

(02:08:07):
con have hand some players that did the same.

Speaker 14 (02:08:09):
I was gonna make a joke about like Joe Flacco
or somebody, but I said I made the Joe good
put myself.

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
Zach Taylor today did not solidify Joe Flacco is starting
on Sunday, so he also did not completely rule out
Joe Burrow is doing anything but needing to take eleven
on eleven reps. So maybe a stupid question, why can't
Joe Burrow just play Sunday? That's what I'm thinking. Do
you think that door's open?

Speaker 14 (02:08:37):
Why wouldn't it be Joe Flacco is not practicing, Joe
Burrow is, Why don't you play the guy who's practicing?

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Who's better? I think James.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
I think it was James who said, is there a
scenario where Joe Burrow? And Zach Taylor said, Joe Burrow
hasn't practiced eleven on eleven yet.

Speaker 14 (02:08:54):
But today he is. But today he is and Joe
Flacco is not practicing because he has a hurt shoulder.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
And when he was asked basically if Flacco would start,
he said, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Oh, is it possible. The intrigue continues. This members can't play.
There's even more reason to put Burrow.

Speaker 14 (02:09:14):
Just just just when I thought I was out the.

Speaker 21 (02:09:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
You gotta win the last seven in a row. Win
the last seven if you don't win the first one.

Speaker 14 (02:09:24):
And if Joe Burrow is gonna play meaningful games, well,
this game is meaningful.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
That's true. They're not eliminated. Here's not eliminated yet. And
then if you.

Speaker 14 (02:09:33):
Know what will happen, don't don't win on Sunday and
on Monday, you know, and we're gonna be going to
the playoffs simulator.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
We're gonna be looking at all you know, if he.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
Is it bad?

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
I did that this morning. Why I was on the simulator.

Speaker 14 (02:09:46):
Here's if they win their last seven games, they will
be a playoff team. Okay, I got that hard figured
to get a mock draft today, I'm not doing Matt
Miller had them passing on Caleb Downs to take an
edge rusher from Auburn who has two sacks. This year,
the Internet and I will both lose my mind lose.
How do you know a mock draft when you don't
know what order the the teams are gonna be in.

Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
Bengals are picking ninth according to Matt Melly also had
like two trades in the first two picks in that
mock draft, Cleveland took another quarterback. Did you get to
hear anything about it? Do you hear Ben Roethlisberger's comment?

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
You talk about like a world.

Speaker 14 (02:10:19):
I don't want to be in the world where anything
related to Ben Roethlisberger enters into it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
What did Ben have to say? He essentially said that
there was at least respect between the Steelers and the
Ravens and their rivalry, and that there's not respect between
the Bengals. Okay, find of makes the rivalry a little
more heated for me. Yeah, fine, these teams don't like
each other. Okay.

Speaker 14 (02:10:43):
I don't need Ben Roethlisberger's respect. I don't want his respect.
Ben Roethlisberger is a chud.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
You draw the line of big Ben Steelers fans don't
like him.

Speaker 14 (02:10:51):
You ever talked to a Steelers fan and it's like,
how do you feel about Ben? It's kind of like
some of my crazy uncles. Well, yeah, I do like
Uncle Ron, but we don't really hang out. I only
go to his house. I'm sure what he does for
a living. That's all Steelers fans. They admit they don't
really like him because he's a big pud.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Who cares what Ben Roethlisberger thinks. Were you shocked because
the field.

Speaker 14 (02:11:20):
Ben roth Miami people don't claim Ben Roethlisberger.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
Were you surprised, Yes.

Speaker 14 (02:11:25):
Wally's Herbiak, Yes, Cradle of Coaches, Yes, Ben Roethlisberger.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
No, he did play for us, But were you surprised?
Jordy Nelson heard Jamar Chase's side of things about if
you wanted to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he'd do it
to his face, and said, we're gonna uphold the suspension.
What what is? What takes less time?

Speaker 14 (02:11:44):
If you and I are out, You're like, no, you
want to be here or Jordy Nelson here in the
appeal going yeah, man, you're not gonna play Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
Jordany probably had to read it a couple of times
just to make sure this.

Speaker 14 (02:11:57):
Health works where we just pull these guys out from
like twelve years ago. They're like, Hey, the next one's
gonna be heard by Brock Osweiler. He's he's gonna he's
gonna hear the next appeal Rock Finley's on this board.
That's right, yes, yes, so no, I'm not not surprised
at all.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
When you're got to Xavier games, do you get people like, oh,
what are you doing here?

Speaker 14 (02:12:18):
I had friends with your here. I had people that
you know that said that to me yesterday. Really yeah,
our size. But the thing is the I get the
I get to what are you doing here? But you
know how it is now, it's like next time you hear,
you know it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Right Like they're already doing it and they just won
by thirty Last night, I made sixteen three, which tells
me they can do it, yeah, which means they'll do
it again in a couple of weeks. Man, You know,
you just we're already chalking it up the streets. You guys,
they're already doing it. It's so bad. I did get
a few what are you doing here?

Speaker 40 (02:12:48):
Is?

Speaker 2 (02:12:49):
Yep? Last night I figured that. It was like, I
know you're talking about that. You ran into probably as well.
We're done. Mo's next thanks for listening to SINCY three
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Speaker 14 (02:13:04):
Let's make sure we pop in Big Ben hear what
he has to say.

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