October 22, 2025 • 47 mins
Tony and Austin recap the latest in sports headlines, Tony breaks down the 3-3-5 Defense the Bearcats are using, and more on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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the men are up today. We'll catch up with Keegan
on all things Bearcats basketball, look ahead to UC's football
matchup against Baylor at Saturday. On Saturday at four o'clock
at historic Knippert Stadium. West Miller is going to speak today.
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We might get some of that later in the show,
or we could play some of that tomorrow as well,
for what it's worth, Joe Flacco will speak to the
media later this afternoon once this show is done, and
we'll have some of that for you tomorrow as well,
along with our guy of our guy, John Shearon will
join us tomorrow since that'll be Thursday. But for today,
quite a lot to get to. We were asked yesterday
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Austin about the three three five defense that Tyson Vite deploys.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And my understanding is that you went home and you
really all you really did was was break down at
three three five, got in the tape, and so that's
what you're going to talk about in segment two for football.
Three three five defense makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We'll talk about the pros, we'll talk about the cons
and maybe why the Bearcats use that defense.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Tyson Invite is listening, He's welcome to call in a coach.
Would love to have your thoughts on the three to
three five as well. I think it's worth note we
should have more of a DJ Turner conversation with how
well DJ Turner is playing Beast. And thanks to our
guy friend of the show, Jeremy Fowler, there's an NFL
trade deadline primer that ESPN put out and they listed
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twenty five players on that list. Three come from the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We'll talk about that and are their teams out there,
and let's throw the Bengals in this bunch as well,
that if they make an addition, a substantial edition at
the deadline, could they jump to the contender line based
on where they're at right now. Before we get to
any of that, let's set up at the top sports
stories from yesterday Opening Night in the NBA. Yes Opening
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Night in the Association, could you ask, if you're the NBA,
for a better game to start the season than a
double overtime game between what will be two contenders in
a loaded Western conference, the Rockets in the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
They did a brilliant job with the storylines of this game.
Obviously defending champs open up at home banner night ring ceremony,
but you also have the Houston Rockets, the up and
coming Houston Rockets, who, oh, by the way, have maybe
the greatest player in the history of the Thunder franchise
in Kevin Durant on the other side, which they were
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booing him every time he touched the ball. Yeah, so
that was why he didn't touch the ball late in
the game. Environment was unbelievable and going to double overtime
one twenty five, one twenty four, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Shay Gildris Alexander, the raigning MVP Austin had five points
at halftime. It's crazy he finished with thirty five in
the game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, Tarren and I were talking yesterday afternoon about
putting together a little parlay with the points scores, and
I was like, what if you do like Steph, Luca,
KD and SGA to all score twenty plus, you won't
get crazy good odds, right, but you know that's decent.
And Shay Gilgess Alexander on FanDuel yesterday to score twenty
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plus was minus four thousand, crazy, a lot of nervous
people certified bucket getter and I did not end up
placing it. I wish I would have, obviously, but yeah, weird.
What about the ring ceremony the thunder rings last night,
Elite Elite rings. But what I like most is like
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that now you see all these rings that the top
comes off and there's even more diamonds and more stuff
inside the ring. The thunder ring, you can take the
top off and then take out a normal ring that
you can wear around. Yeah, it's like, what a great idea.
If you have ever listened to Dan Patrick over the
last several years, he has been putting this idea out
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there for a long time. Because the rings have gotten
to the point where they're not actually wearable. You can't
actually show off your Super Bowl ring or your NBA
Finals ring or whatever it might be, because they've gotten
so big. Now the thunder gets smart enough to say,
all right, let's do something here that's actually wearable when
it comes to this ring.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Game two last night. My favorite part of the whole
ceremony last night, though, was as they start raising the banner,
all the players come up and like touch it. Yeah.
That I thought was a really cool thing. And I
don't know if that was necessarily planned as much as
they just went and did it themselves. That was cool.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Game two last night saw Luca and the Lakers square
off with Steph Curry and the Warriors. Warriors made a
good run at the end of the year last year
with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler was fantastic. Last night, Curry
was good, not great. And I say that because you
mentioned those parlays Austin. I had Luca thirty plus points,
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eight plus boards, eight plus assists, but I added Steph
Curry twenty five or more.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Curry finished with just twenty three. He was three for
nine from three point land. Jonathan Kamingo scored more three
winners than Steph Curry. Jimmy Butler had thirty one. He
was good, although Steph did hit one from about a
mile away. He did.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Luca was phenomenal, But Warriors right now just a better
all around team than the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I have discovered in watching basketball and the limited capacity
that I do professional basketball, that I really like watching
Austin Reeves play and went and looked at the numbers
this morning. He had minus fourteen plus minus. There you go. Yeah,
maybe he's not as good as I thought.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Tonight in the Association, our guy Mowagger's New York Knicks. Yeah,
they take on the Calves, and I think there's a
really good one late Austin Victor Webbin Yama Spurs, Cooper
Flag's MAVs.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Don't forget the MAVs got Kyrie ad. I gotta ask
Moe about later when it comes to the lineup tonight
for the Knicks. Okay, stuff going on?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
What do you make going on in the NFL with
Sean Payton and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Good for Russell Wilson, Yeah, good for him, man, because
Russell kind of has this character or this persona about
him and he broke that last night. He clapped back
at Sean Payton. Do you want to hear the audio? Yes,
So this is what Sean Payton, who was the former
head coach of Russell Wilson when he was in Denver,
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this is what he had to say after the Broncos
beat the Giants led by Jackson Dart, who's backed up
by Russell Wilson this past Sunday.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'm kind of respect for that organization. I spent four
in my early years there coordinating Super Bowl first game
in this stadium before nine to eleven close with the
Maritish family, and you know, they found a little spark
with that quarterback. I was talking to John Mayer not
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too long ago, and I said, we were hoping that
that change would have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
M saying we were hoping it would be Russell Wilson
playing for the Giants because we feel like he stinks well,
then Russell went to x Russell posts, he said, quote
classless but not surprised, and this line here, didn't realize
You're still bounty hunting fifteen plus years later through the media.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Obviously a shot at what I was a part of
bounty Gate. Yeah, and the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And then Russell added a hashtag let's rye up with
the laughing emoji at the end, and yeah, if you
look up Tony Pike Saints on Twitter or on Google,
you will see me taking some vicious hits from those
bounty Gate Saints back in twenty two. Believable holligans. And
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keep in mind, the reason you were in the game
with the utmost respect, yeah, was because they killed the
guy before you. If I'm not mistaken, was that clawson
Jimmy Jimmy Clauson got his bell run. I just imagine
at some point during the week defensive meeting room, Greg
Williams leading the defensive feasting and he starts playing your
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preseason film against the Ravens and he's saying, we got
to get this guy in the game now. He said, Hey,
guy that comes in the game, we got to get
him out quick. This guy gets just thinks you get ugly.
You guys get ten thousand dollars if you knock Jimmy
Clauson out of the game. We need Pike on the field.
They got me and I had a couple of drops ensued.
How about this going on in college basketball? Pat Kelsey
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at Louisville got his twenty twenty six point guard. He
got him from the G League. Oh, that was a
time I thought, like G League means you're already past college.
That's not the case anymore. Tom Izzo said he doesn't
quote respect the NCAA power brokers who've allowed these moves
to happen. He said, I'm gonna get myself in trouble.
But I listened to people talk about how kids change.
Kids aren't the problem, We're the problem. This was sprung
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on us again yesterday. Where a guy could be in
the G League for two or three years and then
all of a sudden he's eligible in college basketball. You
think that's okay? G leaguers coming back and playing in
college I don't really care. No one cares anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, it's it's the wild Wild West, by the way,
that recruits named London Johnson, former four star recruit.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It makes me think of former Bengal linebacker land In
John That's right, that's right, uh AFC offense. I don't
know that I've ever been more disinterested in high school
and college basketball, like just because of all of that. Sure,
like it's it's got, it's so weird. There's so many
different layers. It almost feels impossible to follow it. Yeah,
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Like obviously at the local level, it's it's easier to
pay close attention to what you see in Xavier and
the mighty Mighty Norse are doing. But like as a whole,
it feels difficult to like follow college basketball. Almost overwhelming
to me, what else do we have?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All this year's AFC offensive or this week's AFC Offensive
Player of the week. Let me guess, well, you could
have thought Jonathan Taylor no touchdown runs. You could have thought, well,
Bo Knicks had thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
and he ran the ball for two rushing touchdowns, and
he threw for two seventy nine and two passing touchdowns.
But that player is one Jamar Chase yep sixteen catches,
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a buck sixty one and a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Not only is Jamar Chase the AFC Offensive Player of
the Week. But we have breaking news as it regards
to the Bengals opponent on Sunday. Okay, it is being
reported now that Jets quarterback Tarrod Taylor, who was expected
to start on Sunday against the Bengals, is now considered
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day to day with a knee injury. Tarrod Taylor now
day to day with a knee injury.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well, the good news is is they didn't, at least
from an ownership level, they didn't completely erase.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The confidence of Justin Fields if he would have to
come back in what a dumpster fire? You know, I
bet Torod Taylor doesn't want to play the Bengals anymore.
Do you remember twenty twenty season opener. He's the starting
quarterback for the Chargers. Justin Herbert is his backup. Do
you remember this? No, before the game, I follow everything
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Tyrod Taylor to Rod Taylor or Trod it's Trod. Oh,
you can say Tyrod though he doesn't care, my apologies,
gets this injection or whatever, and they punctured his lung. Yep,
he couldn't play the injection. That was crazy. That was
Burrow's first career game. Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Mentioned yesterday, Xavier picked eighth in the Big East media poll.
I want to know for I want to hear from
Xavier folks today to Austin, Oh, what's the what's the
feel around the Xavier program?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Is? Is this a free past year for Patino?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I would think so.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Our expectations in today's landscape, where the end, the transfer
portal and and everything else is running as rampant as
it is, are there are there.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Really free seasons for coaches? I would say, You know again,
I'm not. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily tapped in to hear,
you know, know exactly what every Xavier fan is thinking,
but I would imagine and the sense that I get
is that they're all still mad about Sean Miller and
understand that it's not an easy situation that Richard Patino
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is being asked to come in and take over. And
so I don't know that the expectations are high, but
there is a standard with Xavier basketball, and if you
can at the bare minimum meet that standard and show
the fans at Xavier that Okay, there's something here, I'm
building something, then yeah, they'll they'll be fine. But I
don't know that they're looking at this team thinking we
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got a chance to go back to the Sweet sixteen
or the Elite eight. I don't know that they're thinking
that one.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
But my question for again, because it's just kind of
been quiet, what are those minimum expectations? Like again, they're
they're they're not projected to be at the top of
the Big East, they're picked eighth locally, what are what
are the the feels around what would constitute as a
successful year one for Patino?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I would like to know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And I know we have xavier folks that listen, so
call in or leave us to talk back today and
let us know. Also, before we get to our first break, Austin,
can I say something nonsports related that happened just about
a half mile from here last night, you know, the
the department store marshals? Yeah, are you familiar with you?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You want to get into this now? Yeah? I need to.
I need to get it off my chest. Well before
we do. We're meeting prior to the show today and
we're having a normal meeting. Everything's fine, We're talking about
stuff and there's this moment of silence and Tony then
blurts out to me, I got treated like a thief
at Marshall's last night. It's true, and I just like, yeah, listen,
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I said, Okay, save it, we'll talk about it on
the air.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I got home yesterday and Mayor tells me that, you know,
the the kids, Wilder and Wesley go to to preschool now,
and like.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
She's like, hey, you already knew that. She didn't tell you, Yeah, yeah, No,
She's always letting other people know.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
She told me that, hey, the fire department is visiting
the kids school tomorrow and it's going to be cold
in the morning. And because they've grown, Wilder and Wesley's
coats don't fit them anymore. Oh, so I'm like, well,
let's run over to Marshalls. Let's run it, because like, yeah,
Marshall's TJ Max, the mall is right across. Surely we
can find a coat for the kids somewhere. Sure, And
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we went into Marshalls, and, as does many trips, you know,
a trip to just get two coats turns into a
trip that, you know, each kid got like three outfits somehow,
some way, which really not in the budget, but we
did it anyway. And so we got home last night,
Austin and the kids wanted to try on their new outfits.
They want to do like a little fashion thing to show. Hey,
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here's the new outfit. Go show mom. Mom reacts. Kids
are excited, So like, get home, take the tags off everything,
put the kids in their outfits. They're showing it off.
Didn't try the coats on right away because they're coats.
We don't that's not an outfit. We don't need to
do that. So later setting the kids stuff out for school.
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The next day, Wesley's coat still has that like ink tag.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On it, the security tag. The security tag. These things
are just a pain. I know about this very well
time in retail. These things are a pain.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, and so because she doesn't have a winter jacket
and it was gonna be freezing this morning, what am
I tasked with doing?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Riding back over to Marshall's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So tags are already been taken off all the stuff, and
after the tags were taken off, Austin threw the receipt
away as.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, Okay, this is your fault. I don't want to
hear you would have thought, or we even get to
the end of this story. It is not on the
good people at Marshalls. It's on you. It is their
job to take that tag off. Yes, it is okay,
and it's your job to keep the receipt.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
When they they treated me, I walked in and right
to the front desk with the jacket in hand, like
here it is here, I am. I'm coming in with
the jacket. I didn't just leave with the jacket. Here
it is. They proceed to say, we need the receipt.
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I say, I don't have the receipt. And I went
to explain that the kids just put on a fashion
show and we took the receipt and it was in
the garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They don't care the tag. They excuses that those people
here every day.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I said, check the tapes. I used the term last night.
Check the tapes. I said, check the footage. I was
here an hour and a half ago. Look at me
walking out as I paid for all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Now what I would have done in your situation, I
would have pulled my phone out and opened my bank
app and said here's the transaction. That's the only thing
that got me eventually out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's what you did. I opened my app. I said,
here is the transaction. I said, here's the card that
I used. And after minutes of this back and forth
after me being being treated like a convicted felon that
is in the market for stealing kids jackets.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, but tag was eventually taken off Tony Pike, bad guy. Yep,
that's what I thought was gonna happen. How about just
in the future just keep the receipt. Well, you live
and you learn. But the problem is when they tried on,
have you never take anything back? Yes, But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
They we put the jackets on them and tried it
on at the store because the jacket sizing's a little
different because you're wearing it over winter clothes. So they
already tried the jackets on, and by the time we
got home, they tried everything else on and it fit.
At that point, in my mind, there's no need to
keep the receipt. I get it, so good job.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Did you like? Where did you? By the way, if
you're listening to market, did you disintegrate the receipt was
garbage night, Why don't you just go pick it out
of the trash? Nope, bags had already been thrown in.
It was recycling as well, so other stuff had been
added in. But if you're listening for Marshalls and you
want to make this right. We'd love to have you
as a sponsor of sin T three sixty. I'd love Marshals.
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I love the deals.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I love that you can get clothes and shoes and
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to Marshalls. Football in the Natti is next.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Gave them a free plug.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Hey, let's go to them and now let's break down
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All right, welcome back. It is Football in the Natti
since he three to sixty. Thanks to Skyline Chili. Thank
you for listening. Austin, we were asked a question yesterday
by a talkbacker, right or was it a caller?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I believe as a talkbacker, a.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Talkbacker who wants to know more about the three three
five defense. And look, I get it because over the
last couple of weeks, you see has given up some
yards on the defensive side of the ball. And I
will say this, and I truly believe that you see
is as big of a proponent as the bend but
don't break style of defense. As you will find if
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you go back to game one against Nebraska. If you're
telling me that you're going to beat Nebraska on the
ground by almost one hundred yards, I would say you
have a chance to win the game. If you tell
me going into the game that you're gonna hold Nebraska
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to twenty with UC's I would have said you have
a chance to win the game. Now, games outside of that,
Bowling Green put up twenty on this defense, Kansas very
good offense put up thirty four, Iowa State put up thirty.
UCF scored eleven. Oklahoma State, albeit feeling like.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The game was.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Closer than maybe what it was, Oklahoma State was able
to get yards almost at will on the ground, But
again you look up and it's only seventeen points on
the board. They bend, they don't break. If you watch
a UC game, their style of play, their secondary, they
are much softer on the outside until a team crosses
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about the forty yard line, and then they start to
tighten up, and as you get closer to the red zone,
they tighten it up even more. And then when you're
running a three, three, five, all of a sudden, you
get in the red zone, and for the most part
you're able to drop seven or eight guys into coverage.
That makes it hard on a quarterback. So I get
that side of things, but there are people that are wondering,
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is three three five the right thing for this defense?
Just based on the three three five alone, three down linemen,
three linebackers, five defensive backs, so you're essentially taking out
a defensive lineman, you're essentially taking out a linebacker, and
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you're bringing in the extra defensive back. So it is
on paper, supposed to create confusion. It's an adaptable defense,
so you can change your alignment snap the snap. Most
offenses rely on safety reads one high, two high. There
are times the Bearcats will have three safeties in the game,
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so it's an easy defense to drop eight in the
coverage and at the same time bring six or more
guys on a pressure. It makes it very hard for
a quarterback to distinguish what coverage is happening.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
On the back end.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Players can line up in different positions, they can shift
before the snap. It's very hard for an opposing offense.
It creates a lot of flexibility in dropping into coverage
and in blitzing, say well, why don't more teams do it?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
There are drawbacks to the three three five, and some
of those drawbacks are the reason that this team has
given up points in a couple different games. Jalen Daniels
of Kansas is a mobile quarterback that creates issues for
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a team. Jackson at Oklahoma State mobile quarterback creates issues.
The drawbacks to the three to three five vulnerability against
the run and mobile quarterback. Why because the longer the
quarterback can move around, and he can move around a
long time because sometimes you're only rushing three, the easier
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it is to start to pick apart that defense. My
biggest question with the three three five It is a
player dependent defense.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So you need two things. You need.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Above average to elite pass rushers, and you better have
a dude at nose tackle because if you're running the
ball five offensive linemen three defensive linemen, if you don't
have someone up the middle, well, it's a lot easier
for those linemen to get to the second level and
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all of a sudden you're getting gashed on the ground.
If you don't have a traditional above average pass rusher,
quarterbacks going to be able to sit back there for
a long time. And finally, tackling is the emphasis. You
just got less big dudes on the field. You got
dbs and linebackers that need to make the tackles. So
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on paper, Austin, when I have Dante Corleone on paper,
three three five is perfect, right because Dante Corleone takes two,
sometimes even three blockers on every play. What's the issue
about the Bearcats right now? Dante Corleone's playing less than
forty percent of the snaps. So when teams see Corleone out,
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I genuinely think teams have two offensive game plans when
they come in to play the Bearcats. I think there's
a Dante Corleone game plan, and I think there's an
everybody else game plan. And what we've seen is when
everybody else comes into the game, teams run the ball
in between the tackles and they have a lot of
success doing it. They don't have an elite pass rusher.
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In my opinion. Now they're tackling at times has been better,
But the drawback of the three three five is not
have that shutdown guy in the middle. If it's not
Dante Corleone, it's a lot of single blocks and it's
a lot of the guards getting up to the linebacker level,
which creates problems that I think is, now, if you're
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the Bearcats, what you have to fight with if you're
Tysonvite Like, if you can't if you can't play Dante
Corleone for seventy percent of the snaps, are you willing
when he's not in the game to go to more
of a traditional four man front, which protects you against
the run a little bit better. And I don't know
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what that'll be on Saturday, Austin, because what did we
just hear from Scott Souderfield yesterday about Baylor number one
passing attack in the country. So it might be better
tell Baylor, who is not a traditional ground and pound team. Hey,
if you want to come compete in this game, we're
gonna drop eight, Ben, but don't break right, Ben, but
don't break defense. If you want to run the ball
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and you want to go on these long drives, be
my guest, but you're not gonna throw it on us.
Baylor as a team on the season runs it for
one hundred and forty yards per game while throwing it
for three forty four, So you might not see those
changes now, But I think going forward, you're going to
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have to decide, if you're the Bearcats, how you want
to approach a team when Dante Corleone's not in the game.
The last thing it hurts you with Austin if you
were let me ask you, if Austin, if you're an
opposing team and you look at the Bearcat offense, who said,
okay man, they got dual threat running backs, they got
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an NFL tight end, they got a lot of skill
on the outside, and they got a quarterback playing at
a very high level. What would be one of your
ideas to win a game against that offense?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Keep the offense off the field. Keep the offense off
the field.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
There have been so many times this year where teams
have won on fifteen play, nineteen play, twelve play, eight
minute drives, nine minute drives. Why is that when you
play this bend but don't break style, teams are getting
five and six yards on a play. They're not getting
home runs because you're defending against the home run. But
these six yard plays and seven yard plays and eight
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yard plays, they just create second, manageable, third and manageable
picking up a first down and just eating up clock.
It's a balance right now, and there, to me is
a little concern when you continue to give up those
long drives, because it pushes an offense at times to
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do things they're not characteristically doing. I've talked about this before,
and I've equated it to the col Rain days in
their prime dominant Goodman, Terrell Bird, mister Simpson, Andre Revels,
all those guys when Cole Rain was one of the
best teams in the nation. They were so dominant on
offense and they ran that triple option. That your possessions
on offense are limited, and so if teams are just
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eating up clock and en plus play drives against UC Austin,
it's only fair at one point for an offense and
for a quarterback to start pressing and thinking, man, how
many drives do we have left? And for the Bearcats
it's been good because they've been up in a lot
of these games. What happens if you're down seven or
ten points and you're giving up a thirteen play drive, Now,
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what's that? That offense? What soresby start to think, Ah,
I gotta go make a play. And that's when you're
susceptible to the turnovers and the negative plays on an offense.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Does that answer the three to three five? That answers
it to me?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
All right, let's take some phone calls when we get back.
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Speaker 7 (30:05):
I like to thank everybody, because you guys are pretty good.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
And uh, I'd just like to say, I don't give
us a chance.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We kicked the act far straight. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And all I think, all right, I we cover our
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Speaker 2 (30:19):
We just went out there and proved it on the field.
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They could talk all they.
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So open up the phone lines for the first time today.
Let's start with David, who's calling in? Hello David, Well, you.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Know that Sabo speech probably should be up there more
with the you don't live in Cleveland fantastic. I mean,
that is just a classic. Hey, it pains me to
say this, Tony. It is good to hear your voice
still as Zager guy, of course, but it's better than
Chad Brendle. So I'll say.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's good to hear your voice.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I was I was holding out for the Paul Frishner show,
but hey, we'll run with this. You know, it's good
to have some friction in this.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Thank you, Thank you. David.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Hey, I did want to respond because it's always it's
one of those common questions about what is Xavier fans
think any year, but especially this year. And it's funny
because this year, unlike so many others, there is very
little talk about Xavier basketball. And Number one, I think
it's because we don't really know this coach. There's not
a lot. I couldn't even tell you, Yes, when we
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had our exhibition game, I wasn't sure if he was
going to wear a suit like his father or the
pullovers like you know so many of the other coaches.
I didn't know a single one of the guys for
the most part, that suited up for that team, And
so it's hard to kind of even talk about, let
alone have an opinion about this team so far. That
combined with the fact that, honestly, if you talk to
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a Xavier person right now, the top two topics are
going to be why don't we have anybody enrolling at Xavier?
And why are we forcing all these kids to have
three years housing when they come on campus. Now, that
seems to be the one thing everybody in Xavier Land
wants to talk about. Basketball has become like number three topic,
And I don't think until we actually start to actually
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count the games where you get to hear what we
truly believe, we think about this team.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I think that's one of the hard things about today's
college basketball though, Like for you see so many new faces.
Now they did get guys to come back, but the
transfers do make it hard. But I think you know,
relatively right now, you see there's an expectation it's it's
tournament or bust. So even without knowing exactly the coach
or exactly what the roster looks like, does does there
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start a conversation among Xavier fans of this is this
is the minimum, this is this is where this has
to start.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
I haven't had anybody tell me this is like where
I expect them to be. It's almost to the feeling
of we'll take what we get. But I'll be honest
with you, I think this is a team that to
stay i'll say relevant. I don't think they would ever
be irrelevant. But you know, this team needs to still finish.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Five hundred overall.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Okay, honestly the Big East too. They should not be
you know, the Georgetown's and the Butlers, and there's teams
that they should still be beating. In my opinion, that
all said too, that's all based off of you know,
the Xavier I'll say, or you know, we know what
Xavier basketball is about. But this is such a new
thing short of the Sintos. Now that's the only one consistent.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Thing we've got.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
And you hope that the Cintas Center still continues to,
you know, give that team those extra points that they
don't usually get on the road to help them, you know,
stay relevant. I saw I think there's a there's a
website out there that kind of guesstimates their record for
the year, and I think I saw that they were
going to finish like eighteen and sixteen and eight and
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eight in the Big East or nine to nine of
the Big East or something like that. They literally had
them five hundred across the board in both regular season
and conference. I guess I'm good with that. You know,
just give me a shift, get us in the Big
East and see what happens. And I mean, I don't
think any of us are sitting there going it's NCAA
or bust. I just hope we do. I just hope
this team doesn't come out, you know and finish two
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and sixteen in conference, right, and honestly, you know, something
like that, especially with the way that the environment is,
that can set a program back. So sure there's hoping
that that doesn't happen. Hey, I do want to say Tony,
because I do believe that. I think it's awesome that
you're getting put into the Hall of Fame. It's well deserved.
I'm a I'm a fan of UC football because I
don't have a dog in the fight at Xavier. I'm
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always rooting for UC football to do well, and I
think it's really cool that you're one of the good
ones to go inside the Hall of Fame. So congratulations
on that, and don't take my don't take my talk
back seriously later today.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
David, thank you man. Have a great DAGs, David, be good, sir.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Stick here.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now that's what good, clean rivalry fun is all about.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Let's let's take that, and let's take a call from
another UC Bearcat football fan that I know and maybe
perhaps someone that that does have his pulse on all
things Xavier as the voice of the common Xavier fan
and yes, a you see football fan as well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Wow, voice, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I am actually going to the game on Saturday, but
I can't say that I'm an actual huge fan. You
weren't there since the last past.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You were't a Hall of Fame shirt.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
I am.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I know you good?
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Not right because only because your mom bought it for me, That's.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Honestly.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Hey, I told your dad.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Last week that the voice was no longer because I
was a little bit mad, mad about the whole situation.
But I guess, uh, we'll see. I can hold a grudge,
as Austin can.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All well know, I honestly, David just said, five hundred
what what are the expectations for this Savior team?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You know, they weren't high to begin with, but then
when you go out and lose to Murray State at home,
I don't I don't think they've gotten any better. I
didn't go down on Saturday. But you know what's funny
is I was listening to some of the game with
Joe and Byron, and when a guy would score and
they'd say their name, I was like, was that us
or them? I don't even know if we scored or
they scored?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, because I don't know.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Anybody on the team.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
So I think Patino's got a free pass this year.
I mean, how can you hold him accountable for anything.
They had the last minute transfer portal guys that are
averaging two points a game for the most part last year.
So I don't think it's high at all. But I,
like Dave said, I don't want him to go to
in eighteen in the Big East either.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
How long?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
How long would be the I don't want to say
how long would be the least? How How long would
would that honeymoon phase end? I mean, is it that
he gets a year, get your guys in here. In
the next year, it's back to competing in the Big East.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
I think that's got to be pretty much what it is. Yeah,
I mean, I think he's got to pre pass this year.
But if they go out two years in a row
and are completely blown away, then no, and then they
got to look differently. But I think he's a good coach,
so I don't I got hopes there. But if you
guys were talking about the Louisville guy that came from
the te league, I've never cared less about college sports
than I do right now, And I don't know that
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it'll ever turn back differently. It's just going in a
direction that's not fun, honestly.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, well yeah, voice great to hear your voice, and
I look forward to seeing that red and black on
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yep, we'll see thee.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Glad to hear you. That's the voice. I love it now.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Listen, I would have thought it a cold day and
you know where when the voice would have said, hey,
five hundred will be okay.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's crazy, but it is like I get completely late
in the window.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Obviously, not a lot of ways to fill out a
roster based on what Sean Miller did. It's tough, but
there are there are vastly different expectations in this city
right now. The expectations in Clifton, I don't even think
are getting to the tournament. You got to get in
and win a game. I legitimately think west Miller has
to win a game in the tournament this year.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, I mean obviously. And then across the river at Nku,
you thinking Sweet sixteen, death taxes, Horn and March. I
don't think. In Kate, I'm trying to think who the
favorite is in the horizon. It's probably Youngstown State, it
won't matter. It might be Youngstown State preseason. Yeah, come February,
March time in the Norse. Last time I saw or
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I actually did. I pulled a Tony Pike last week
and I started looking at Joe Lenardi. Wow, bracketologyology, let's go,
And the first thing I saw was he had Youngstown
State as a fifteen. I said, well, this guy didn't
know what he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Last time I looked at bracketology, I believe Yeah, the
Bearcats is a nine. Well, something's changing now because when
I looked at it again, it was a nine. The
latest bracketology you see last by Oh, so they are
trending to the bubble.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
What happens when you beat but they do you blow
that second athlete against Michigan, they lost Big Slime, Big slime,
that's big Lime is out, so that ain't sliming around.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No mo makes things a little bit interesting. By the way,
Good news Houston preseason top overall seeds opens up big
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Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well make a statement there opportunity to make a statement.
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You not only played all five offensive line positions during
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That's mind boggling to me.
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How did you know every assignment? Yeah, it was interesting.
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two right after we hear from Zach Taylor, who's going
to speak to the media in just a few moments.
Austin question. Answer, Is DJ Turner the best player on
the Bengals defense? Yes he is, Yes he is right now.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes he is. I think so too. That's because Trey
Henderson's hurt and banged up, not one hundred percent. So
I'm going to say because DJ Turner apparently is one
hundred percent and the way he's playing.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Kirk clk Street said on Thursday Night Football that if
you watch the tape, he's playing as well as any
corner in the game.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Do you want some DJ Turner stats. He's first enforced incompletions,
He's first enforced incompletion percentage. He's first in past breakups.
He's first in interceptions. He's third in passer rating against.
He's third in reception percentage allowed. Come on, among all
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NFL quarterbacks, that's where DJ Turner ranks. Come on. So,
Kirk kurve Street's correct, he's playing like CB one, not
just on the team you said, CBT, but in the
National Football League CTV. That guy stinks. He's not good.
He's not very good.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
We'll talk about cam Taylor Britt later on in the
show because he came up. Wonder how that message was
received in a conversation as as well. We got time
here before we get to Zach Taylor. We'll take one
more call to finish up the hour.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (42:47):
John?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Good?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Afternoon follows How are you good?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (42:52):
We're hanging in there. That Marshall story is wild.
Speaker 9 (42:55):
You know, as a sixty two year old Italian American
in Boston, I'd like to pay cash, so there's no
paper trail at all. So once I come to Cincinnati
to visit you guys, I'm gonna make sure I bring
the debit card and also a credit card so I
don't get into that predicament that that was tough. The
only suggestion I would make Tony is, I know, obviously
the receipts are thrown away, and I'm one hundred percent
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with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Did you still have the bag that the stuff came in?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Okay. Did you bring the jacket in the bag?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Because I thought I thought then it could look like
I was trying to conceal or hide something. I walked
in just that way. I thought in my mind, I
was like, they could go to the tape and see
that I walk in with this. For for whatever reason,
I thought Marshalls has like the all twenty two like
just available to go check the tape at any point,
because I told them to check the tape and I
wanted to make them available that I if you need
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to check the tape and watch me walk in with
this thing.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
Maybe they have a small scouting staff like the Bengals,
and they just don't have the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
There, the tapes are erased. Every tapes are erased every
thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
This is this one Beta Max. They still use.
Speaker 9 (44:00):
The suggestion for Sunday is Joe Flacco, just like you
know Dad on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
He could be the designated quarterback for both teams. Just
call it a win for the Bengals. Yeah, Joe could
play for both teams.
Speaker 9 (44:11):
He's had a lot of bullets left in that arm,
and he did play for the Jets, so that could
be suggested. And the other thing is, yeah, why not
just have a designated quarterback like the big old guys too.
I think this game scares me just a little bit
because the Jets the last two weeks have held Denver
to thirteen points and Carolina the thirteen points. And the defense, yeah,
playing better, and they can run the football with Brees ball,
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and we know what Cincinnati's issues have been with stopping
the run, so kind of a little bit scary.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
They can run the ball, and I know they're ower
and seven. I know personally Sauce Gardner is going to
look forward to an opportunity to go against Jamar Chase.
That's a good secondary. Still, they still got Quentin Williams
you have to deal with there are talented players on
the roster. When you start ozhing seven, things just kind
of start the snowball. But like any other team in
any other sport, if you let a team that's not
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on your same level or struggling hang around, they start
to believe and then their confidence grows. And when a
team starts playing with that confidence when they're not good,
that can be where you get a little dangerous.
Speaker 9 (45:13):
Off the Jetsy another quarterback that can look at Boomer size,
and he's gonna be in town too. So there's a
lot of options for Sunday right.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Even for the being taken care of as he's being
brought into town.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
Yeah that's another wild story, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Man.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
That's that's part for the course. Finally, I just want
to mention something about Russell Wilson. Good for him clapping
back as I think the most or the least likable
guy in the NFL. Sean Payton, I root against the
Denver Broncos, probably the only team I root against because
of him.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
He's such a I don't want to swear, Yeah, be.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Careful, don't make me use the dump button. John.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I won't.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
I know.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
I've been in the business too long. I trade myself
not to swear on radio, so I will not swear
on radio. But I do not like that guy.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
You look at Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy's resume, they're identical,
each one of the They had the same winning percentage,
same amount of time in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Mike McCarthy had.
Speaker 9 (46:04):
Three straight twelve one seasons in Dallas, and yet everybody
looks at Sean Payton like he invented the sport, and
that Mike McCarthy is Fred Flintstone. You know, it's just
a they Yep, somehow have the same resume, and it's
just a lot of its perception. And I remember against
Denver all the time, mostly because of Sean Payton. Even
the year after Atlanta blew the twenty eighth to three
Super Bowl against the Patriots, he was having runs with
Matt Ryan, one of the classiest.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Guys in the league.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
When Matt Ryan ran out of bounce kind of you know,
kind of dissing him about losing the lead in the
Super Bowl. It's like, he's just someone I can't root for.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm with you, John, thanks for the call, man, Appreciate
you all right, fellas have a good one, all right.
One other quick quarterback note, Austin Jade Daniels is not
going to play this week.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
He is officially out. Marcus Mariota is in against the
Kansas City Chiefs. Marcus Mariota has won a playoff game
at Arrowhead Stadium.
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Zach Taylor, He's won a playoff game in Arrowhead. Yeah,
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at historic Knippert Stadium. West Miller is going to speak today.
(01:10):
We might get some of that later in the show,
or we could play some of that tomorrow as well,
for what it's worth, Joe Flacco will speak to the
media later this afternoon once this show is done, and
we'll have some of that for you tomorrow as well,
along with our guy of our guy, John Shearon will
join us tomorrow since that'll be Thursday. But for today,
quite a lot to get to. We were asked yesterday
(01:33):
Austin about the three three five defense that Tyson Vite deploys.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And my understanding is that you went home and you
really all you really did was was break down at
three three five, got in the tape, and so that's
what you're going to talk about in segment two for football.
Three three five defense makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We'll talk about the pros, we'll talk about the cons
and maybe why the Bearcats use that defense.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Tyson Invite is listening, He's welcome to call in a coach.
Would love to have your thoughts on the three to
three five as well. I think it's worth note we
should have more of a DJ Turner conversation with how
well DJ Turner is playing Beast. And thanks to our
guy friend of the show, Jeremy Fowler, there's an NFL
trade deadline primer that ESPN put out and they listed
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twenty five players on that list. Three come from the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We'll talk about that and are their teams out there,
and let's throw the Bengals in this bunch as well,
that if they make an addition, a substantial edition at
the deadline, could they jump to the contender line based
on where they're at right now. Before we get to
any of that, let's set up at the top sports
stories from yesterday Opening Night in the NBA. Yes Opening
(02:47):
Night in the Association, could you ask, if you're the NBA,
for a better game to start the season than a
double overtime game between what will be two contenders in
a loaded Western conference, the Rockets in the Thunder.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
They did a brilliant job with the storylines of this game.
Obviously defending champs open up at home banner night ring ceremony,
but you also have the Houston Rockets, the up and
coming Houston Rockets, who, oh, by the way, have maybe
the greatest player in the history of the Thunder franchise
in Kevin Durant on the other side, which they were
(03:23):
booing him every time he touched the ball. Yeah, so
that was why he didn't touch the ball late in
the game. Environment was unbelievable and going to double overtime
one twenty five, one twenty four, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Shay Gildris Alexander, the raigning MVP Austin had five points
at halftime. It's crazy he finished with thirty five in
the game.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, Tarren and I were talking yesterday afternoon about
putting together a little parlay with the points scores, and
I was like, what if you do like Steph, Luca,
KD and SGA to all score twenty plus, you won't
get crazy good odds, right, but you know that's decent.
And Shay Gilgess Alexander on FanDuel yesterday to score twenty
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plus was minus four thousand, crazy, a lot of nervous
people certified bucket getter and I did not end up
placing it. I wish I would have, obviously, but yeah, weird.
What about the ring ceremony the thunder rings last night,
Elite Elite rings. But what I like most is like
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that now you see all these rings that the top
comes off and there's even more diamonds and more stuff
inside the ring. The thunder ring, you can take the
top off and then take out a normal ring that
you can wear around. Yeah, it's like, what a great idea.
If you have ever listened to Dan Patrick over the
last several years, he has been putting this idea out
(04:51):
there for a long time. Because the rings have gotten
to the point where they're not actually wearable. You can't
actually show off your Super Bowl ring or your NBA
Finals ring or whatever it might be, because they've gotten
so big. Now the thunder gets smart enough to say,
all right, let's do something here that's actually wearable when
it comes to this ring.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Game two last night. My favorite part of the whole
ceremony last night, though, was as they start raising the banner,
all the players come up and like touch it. Yeah.
That I thought was a really cool thing. And I
don't know if that was necessarily planned as much as
they just went and did it themselves. That was cool.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Game two last night saw Luca and the Lakers square
off with Steph Curry and the Warriors. Warriors made a
good run at the end of the year last year
with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler was fantastic. Last night, Curry
was good, not great. And I say that because you
mentioned those parlays Austin. I had Luca thirty plus points,
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eight plus boards, eight plus assists, but I added Steph
Curry twenty five or more.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Curry finished with just twenty three. He was three for
nine from three point land. Jonathan Kamingo scored more three
winners than Steph Curry. Jimmy Butler had thirty one. He
was good, although Steph did hit one from about a
mile away. He did.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Luca was phenomenal, But Warriors right now just a better
all around team than the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I have discovered in watching basketball and the limited capacity
that I do professional basketball, that I really like watching
Austin Reeves play and went and looked at the numbers
this morning. He had minus fourteen plus minus. There you go. Yeah,
maybe he's not as good as I thought.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Tonight in the Association, our guy Mowagger's New York Knicks. Yeah,
they take on the Calves, and I think there's a
really good one late Austin Victor Webbin Yama Spurs, Cooper
Flag's MAVs.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Don't forget the MAVs got Kyrie ad. I gotta ask
Moe about later when it comes to the lineup tonight
for the Knicks. Okay, stuff going on?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
What do you make going on in the NFL with
Sean Payton and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Good for Russell Wilson, Yeah, good for him, man, because
Russell kind of has this character or this persona about
him and he broke that last night. He clapped back
at Sean Payton. Do you want to hear the audio? Yes,
So this is what Sean Payton, who was the former
head coach of Russell Wilson when he was in Denver,
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this is what he had to say after the Broncos
beat the Giants led by Jackson Dart, who's backed up
by Russell Wilson this past Sunday.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'm kind of respect for that organization. I spent four
in my early years there coordinating Super Bowl first game
in this stadium before nine to eleven close with the
Maritish family, and you know, they found a little spark
with that quarterback. I was talking to John Mayer not
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too long ago, and I said, we were hoping that
that change would have happened long long after our game.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
M saying we were hoping it would be Russell Wilson
playing for the Giants because we feel like he stinks well,
then Russell went to x Russell posts, he said, quote
classless but not surprised, and this line here, didn't realize
You're still bounty hunting fifteen plus years later through the media.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Obviously a shot at what I was a part of
bounty Gate. Yeah, and the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And then Russell added a hashtag let's rye up with
the laughing emoji at the end, and yeah, if you
look up Tony Pike Saints on Twitter or on Google,
you will see me taking some vicious hits from those
bounty Gate Saints back in twenty two. Believable holligans. And
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keep in mind, the reason you were in the game
with the utmost respect, yeah, was because they killed the
guy before you. If I'm not mistaken, was that clawson
Jimmy Jimmy Clauson got his bell run. I just imagine
at some point during the week defensive meeting room, Greg
Williams leading the defensive feasting and he starts playing your
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preseason film against the Ravens and he's saying, we got
to get this guy in the game now. He said, Hey,
guy that comes in the game, we got to get
him out quick. This guy gets just thinks you get ugly.
You guys get ten thousand dollars if you knock Jimmy
Clauson out of the game. We need Pike on the field.
They got me and I had a couple of drops ensued.
How about this going on in college basketball? Pat Kelsey
(09:30):
at Louisville got his twenty twenty six point guard. He
got him from the G League. Oh, that was a
time I thought, like G League means you're already past college.
That's not the case anymore. Tom Izzo said he doesn't
quote respect the NCAA power brokers who've allowed these moves
to happen. He said, I'm gonna get myself in trouble.
But I listened to people talk about how kids change.
Kids aren't the problem, We're the problem. This was sprung
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on us again yesterday. Where a guy could be in
the G League for two or three years and then
all of a sudden he's eligible in college basketball. You
think that's okay? G leaguers coming back and playing in
college I don't really care. No one cares anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, it's it's the wild Wild West, by the way,
that recruits named London Johnson, former four star recruit.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It makes me think of former Bengal linebacker land In
John That's right, that's right, uh AFC offense. I don't
know that I've ever been more disinterested in high school
and college basketball, like just because of all of that. Sure,
like it's it's got, it's so weird. There's so many
different layers. It almost feels impossible to follow it. Yeah,
(10:37):
Like obviously at the local level, it's it's easier to
pay close attention to what you see in Xavier and
the mighty Mighty Norse are doing. But like as a whole,
it feels difficult to like follow college basketball. Almost overwhelming
to me, what else do we have?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All this year's AFC offensive or this week's AFC Offensive
Player of the week. Let me guess, well, you could
have thought Jonathan Taylor no touchdown runs. You could have thought, well,
Bo Knicks had thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
and he ran the ball for two rushing touchdowns, and
he threw for two seventy nine and two passing touchdowns.
But that player is one Jamar Chase yep sixteen catches,
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a buck sixty one and a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Not only is Jamar Chase the AFC Offensive Player of
the Week. But we have breaking news as it regards
to the Bengals opponent on Sunday. Okay, it is being
reported now that Jets quarterback Tarrod Taylor, who was expected
to start on Sunday against the Bengals, is now considered
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day to day with a knee injury. Tarrod Taylor now
day to day with a knee injury.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well, the good news is is they didn't, at least
from an ownership level, they didn't completely erase.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The confidence of Justin Fields if he would have to
come back in what a dumpster fire? You know, I
bet Torod Taylor doesn't want to play the Bengals anymore.
Do you remember twenty twenty season opener. He's the starting
quarterback for the Chargers. Justin Herbert is his backup. Do
you remember this? No, before the game, I follow everything
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Tyrod Taylor to Rod Taylor or Trod it's Trod. Oh,
you can say Tyrod though he doesn't care, my apologies,
gets this injection or whatever, and they punctured his lung. Yep,
he couldn't play the injection. That was crazy. That was
Burrow's first career game. Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Mentioned yesterday, Xavier picked eighth in the Big East media poll.
I want to know for I want to hear from
Xavier folks today to Austin, Oh, what's the what's the
feel around the Xavier program?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Is? Is this a free past year for Patino?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I would think so.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Our expectations in today's landscape, where the end, the transfer
portal and and everything else is running as rampant as
it is, are there are there.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Really free seasons for coaches? I would say, You know again,
I'm not. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily tapped in to hear,
you know, know exactly what every Xavier fan is thinking,
but I would imagine and the sense that I get
is that they're all still mad about Sean Miller and
understand that it's not an easy situation that Richard Patino
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is being asked to come in and take over. And
so I don't know that the expectations are high, but
there is a standard with Xavier basketball, and if you
can at the bare minimum meet that standard and show
the fans at Xavier that Okay, there's something here, I'm
building something, then yeah, they'll they'll be fine. But I
don't know that they're looking at this team thinking we
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got a chance to go back to the Sweet sixteen
or the Elite eight. I don't know that they're thinking
that one.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
But my question for again, because it's just kind of
been quiet, what are those minimum expectations? Like again, they're
they're they're not projected to be at the top of
the Big East, they're picked eighth locally, what are what
are the the feels around what would constitute as a
successful year one for Patino?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I would like to know.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And I know we have xavier folks that listen, so
call in or leave us to talk back today and
let us know. Also, before we get to our first break, Austin,
can I say something nonsports related that happened just about
a half mile from here last night, you know, the
the department store marshals? Yeah, are you familiar with you?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You want to get into this now? Yeah? I need to.
I need to get it off my chest. Well before
we do. We're meeting prior to the show today and
we're having a normal meeting. Everything's fine, We're talking about
stuff and there's this moment of silence and Tony then
blurts out to me, I got treated like a thief
at Marshall's last night. It's true, and I just like, yeah, listen,
(15:00):
I said, Okay, save it, we'll talk about it on
the air.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I got home yesterday and Mayor tells me that, you know,
the the kids, Wilder and Wesley go to to preschool now,
and like.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
She's like, hey, you already knew that. She didn't tell you, Yeah, yeah, No,
She's always letting other people know.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
She told me that, hey, the fire department is visiting
the kids school tomorrow and it's going to be cold
in the morning. And because they've grown, Wilder and Wesley's
coats don't fit them anymore. Oh, so I'm like, well,
let's run over to Marshalls. Let's run it, because like, yeah,
Marshall's TJ Max, the mall is right across. Surely we
can find a coat for the kids somewhere. Sure, And
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we went into Marshalls, and, as does many trips, you know,
a trip to just get two coats turns into a
trip that, you know, each kid got like three outfits somehow,
some way, which really not in the budget, but we
did it anyway. And so we got home last night,
Austin and the kids wanted to try on their new outfits.
They want to do like a little fashion thing to show. Hey,
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here's the new outfit. Go show mom. Mom reacts. Kids
are excited, So like, get home, take the tags off everything,
put the kids in their outfits. They're showing it off.
Didn't try the coats on right away because they're coats.
We don't that's not an outfit. We don't need to
do that. So later setting the kids stuff out for school.
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The next day, Wesley's coat still has that like ink tag.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On it, the security tag. The security tag. These things
are just a pain. I know about this very well
time in retail. These things are a pain.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, and so because she doesn't have a winter jacket
and it was gonna be freezing this morning, what am
I tasked with doing?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Riding back over to Marshall's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So tags are already been taken off all the stuff, and
after the tags were taken off, Austin threw the receipt
away as.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, Okay, this is your fault. I don't want to
hear you would have thought, or we even get to
the end of this story. It is not on the
good people at Marshalls. It's on you. It is their
job to take that tag off. Yes, it is okay,
and it's your job to keep the receipt.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
When they they treated me, I walked in and right
to the front desk with the jacket in hand, like
here it is here, I am. I'm coming in with
the jacket. I didn't just leave with the jacket. Here
it is. They proceed to say, we need the receipt.
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I say, I don't have the receipt. And I went
to explain that the kids just put on a fashion
show and we took the receipt and it was in
the garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They don't care the tag. They excuses that those people
here every day.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I said, check the tapes. I used the term last night.
Check the tapes. I said, check the footage. I was
here an hour and a half ago. Look at me
walking out as I paid for all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Now what I would have done in your situation, I
would have pulled my phone out and opened my bank
app and said here's the transaction. That's the only thing
that got me eventually out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's what you did. I opened my app. I said,
here is the transaction. I said, here's the card that
I used. And after minutes of this back and forth
after me being being treated like a convicted felon that
is in the market for stealing kids jackets.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, but tag was eventually taken off Tony Pike, bad guy. Yep,
that's what I thought was gonna happen. How about just
in the future just keep the receipt. Well, you live
and you learn. But the problem is when they tried on,
have you never take anything back? Yes, But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
They we put the jackets on them and tried it
on at the store because the jacket sizing's a little
different because you're wearing it over winter clothes. So they
already tried the jackets on, and by the time we
got home, they tried everything else on and it fit.
At that point, in my mind, there's no need to
keep the receipt. I get it, so good job.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Did you like? Where did you? By the way, if
you're listening to market, did you disintegrate the receipt was
garbage night, Why don't you just go pick it out
of the trash? Nope, bags had already been thrown in.
It was recycling as well, so other stuff had been
added in. But if you're listening for Marshalls and you
want to make this right. We'd love to have you
as a sponsor of sin T three sixty. I'd love Marshals.
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I love the deals.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I love that you can get clothes and shoes and
Christmas the Core and everything under one roof. Shout out
to Marshalls. Football in the Natti is next.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Gave them a free plug.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Hey, let's go to them and now let's break down
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Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, welcome back. It is Football in the Natti
since he three to sixty. Thanks to Skyline Chili. Thank
you for listening. Austin, we were asked a question yesterday
by a talkbacker, right or was it a caller?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I believe as a talkbacker, a.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Talkbacker who wants to know more about the three three
five defense. And look, I get it because over the
last couple of weeks, you see has given up some
yards on the defensive side of the ball. And I
will say this, and I truly believe that you see
is as big of a proponent as the bend but
don't break style of defense. As you will find if
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you go back to game one against Nebraska. If you're
telling me that you're going to beat Nebraska on the
ground by almost one hundred yards, I would say you
have a chance to win the game. If you tell
me going into the game that you're gonna hold Nebraska
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to twenty with UC's I would have said you have
a chance to win the game. Now, games outside of that,
Bowling Green put up twenty on this defense, Kansas very
good offense put up thirty four, Iowa State put up thirty.
UCF scored eleven. Oklahoma State, albeit feeling like.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The game was.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Closer than maybe what it was, Oklahoma State was able
to get yards almost at will on the ground, But
again you look up and it's only seventeen points on
the board. They bend, they don't break. If you watch
a UC game, their style of play, their secondary, they
are much softer on the outside until a team crosses
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about the forty yard line, and then they start to
tighten up, and as you get closer to the red zone,
they tighten it up even more. And then when you're
running a three, three, five, all of a sudden, you
get in the red zone, and for the most part
you're able to drop seven or eight guys into coverage.
That makes it hard on a quarterback. So I get
that side of things, but there are people that are wondering,
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is three three five the right thing for this defense?
Just based on the three three five alone, three down linemen,
three linebackers, five defensive backs, so you're essentially taking out
a defensive lineman, you're essentially taking out a linebacker, and
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you're bringing in the extra defensive back. So it is
on paper, supposed to create confusion. It's an adaptable defense,
so you can change your alignment snap the snap. Most
offenses rely on safety reads one high, two high. There
are times the Bearcats will have three safeties in the game,
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so it's an easy defense to drop eight in the
coverage and at the same time bring six or more
guys on a pressure. It makes it very hard for
a quarterback to distinguish what coverage is happening.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
On the back end.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Players can line up in different positions, they can shift
before the snap. It's very hard for an opposing offense.
It creates a lot of flexibility in dropping into coverage
and in blitzing, say well, why don't more teams do it?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
There are drawbacks to the three three five, and some
of those drawbacks are the reason that this team has
given up points in a couple different games. Jalen Daniels
of Kansas is a mobile quarterback that creates issues for
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a team. Jackson at Oklahoma State mobile quarterback creates issues.
The drawbacks to the three to three five vulnerability against
the run and mobile quarterback. Why because the longer the
quarterback can move around, and he can move around a
long time because sometimes you're only rushing three, the easier
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it is to start to pick apart that defense. My
biggest question with the three three five It is a
player dependent defense.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So you need two things. You need.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Above average to elite pass rushers, and you better have
a dude at nose tackle because if you're running the
ball five offensive linemen three defensive linemen, if you don't
have someone up the middle, well, it's a lot easier
for those linemen to get to the second level and
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all of a sudden you're getting gashed on the ground.
If you don't have a traditional above average pass rusher,
quarterbacks going to be able to sit back there for
a long time. And finally, tackling is the emphasis. You
just got less big dudes on the field. You got
dbs and linebackers that need to make the tackles. So
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on paper, Austin, when I have Dante Corleone on paper,
three three five is perfect, right because Dante Corleone takes two,
sometimes even three blockers on every play. What's the issue
about the Bearcats right now? Dante Corleone's playing less than
forty percent of the snaps. So when teams see Corleone out,
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I genuinely think teams have two offensive game plans when
they come in to play the Bearcats. I think there's
a Dante Corleone game plan, and I think there's an
everybody else game plan. And what we've seen is when
everybody else comes into the game, teams run the ball
in between the tackles and they have a lot of
success doing it. They don't have an elite pass rusher.
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In my opinion. Now they're tackling at times has been better,
But the drawback of the three three five is not
have that shutdown guy in the middle. If it's not
Dante Corleone, it's a lot of single blocks and it's
a lot of the guards getting up to the linebacker level,
which creates problems that I think is, now, if you're
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the Bearcats, what you have to fight with if you're
Tysonvite Like, if you can't if you can't play Dante
Corleone for seventy percent of the snaps, are you willing
when he's not in the game to go to more
of a traditional four man front, which protects you against
the run a little bit better. And I don't know
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what that'll be on Saturday, Austin, because what did we
just hear from Scott Souderfield yesterday about Baylor number one
passing attack in the country. So it might be better
tell Baylor, who is not a traditional ground and pound team. Hey,
if you want to come compete in this game, we're
gonna drop eight, Ben, but don't break right, Ben, but
don't break defense. If you want to run the ball
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and you want to go on these long drives, be
my guest, but you're not gonna throw it on us.
Baylor as a team on the season runs it for
one hundred and forty yards per game while throwing it
for three forty four, So you might not see those
changes now, But I think going forward, you're going to
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have to decide, if you're the Bearcats, how you want
to approach a team when Dante Corleone's not in the game.
The last thing it hurts you with Austin if you
were let me ask you, if Austin, if you're an
opposing team and you look at the Bearcat offense, who said,
okay man, they got dual threat running backs, they got
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an NFL tight end, they got a lot of skill
on the outside, and they got a quarterback playing at
a very high level. What would be one of your
ideas to win a game against that offense?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Keep the offense off the field. Keep the offense off
the field.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
There have been so many times this year where teams
have won on fifteen play, nineteen play, twelve play, eight
minute drives, nine minute drives. Why is that when you
play this bend but don't break style, teams are getting
five and six yards on a play. They're not getting
home runs because you're defending against the home run. But
these six yard plays and seven yard plays and eight
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yard plays, they just create second, manageable, third and manageable
picking up a first down and just eating up clock.
It's a balance right now, and there, to me is
a little concern when you continue to give up those
long drives, because it pushes an offense at times to
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do things they're not characteristically doing. I've talked about this before,
and I've equated it to the col Rain days in
their prime dominant Goodman, Terrell Bird, mister Simpson, Andre Revels,
all those guys when Cole Rain was one of the
best teams in the nation. They were so dominant on
offense and they ran that triple option. That your possessions
on offense are limited, and so if teams are just
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eating up clock and en plus play drives against UC Austin,
it's only fair at one point for an offense and
for a quarterback to start pressing and thinking, man, how
many drives do we have left? And for the Bearcats
it's been good because they've been up in a lot
of these games. What happens if you're down seven or
ten points and you're giving up a thirteen play drive, Now,
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what's that? That offense? What soresby start to think, Ah,
I gotta go make a play. And that's when you're
susceptible to the turnovers and the negative plays on an offense.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Does that answer the three to three five? That answers
it to me?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
All right, let's take some phone calls when we get back.
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Speaker 7 (30:05):
I like to thank everybody, because you guys are pretty good.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
And uh, I'd just like to say, I don't give
us a chance.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
We kicked the act far straight. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And all I think, all right, I we cover our
mouths shut.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We just went out there and proved it on the field.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
They could talk all they.
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Want, but they're shit home all winter, and they know
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So open up the phone lines for the first time today.
Let's start with David, who's calling in? Hello David, Well, you.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Know that Sabo speech probably should be up there more
with the you don't live in Cleveland fantastic. I mean,
that is just a classic. Hey, it pains me to
say this, Tony. It is good to hear your voice
still as Zager guy, of course, but it's better than
Chad Brendle. So I'll say.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's good to hear your voice.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I was I was holding out for the Paul Frishner show,
but hey, we'll run with this. You know, it's good
to have some friction in this.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Thank you, Thank you. David.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Hey, I did want to respond because it's always it's
one of those common questions about what is Xavier fans
think any year, but especially this year. And it's funny
because this year, unlike so many others, there is very
little talk about Xavier basketball. And Number one, I think
it's because we don't really know this coach. There's not
a lot. I couldn't even tell you, Yes, when we
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had our exhibition game, I wasn't sure if he was
going to wear a suit like his father or the
pullovers like you know so many of the other coaches.
I didn't know a single one of the guys for
the most part, that suited up for that team, And
so it's hard to kind of even talk about, let
alone have an opinion about this team so far. That
combined with the fact that, honestly, if you talk to
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a Xavier person right now, the top two topics are
going to be why don't we have anybody enrolling at Xavier?
And why are we forcing all these kids to have
three years housing when they come on campus. Now, that
seems to be the one thing everybody in Xavier Land
wants to talk about. Basketball has become like number three topic,
And I don't think until we actually start to actually
(33:05):
count the games where you get to hear what we
truly believe, we think about this team.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I think that's one of the hard things about today's
college basketball though, Like for you see so many new faces.
Now they did get guys to come back, but the
transfers do make it hard. But I think you know,
relatively right now, you see there's an expectation it's it's
tournament or bust. So even without knowing exactly the coach
or exactly what the roster looks like, does does there
(33:31):
start a conversation among Xavier fans of this is this
is the minimum, this is this is where this has
to start.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
I haven't had anybody tell me this is like where
I expect them to be. It's almost to the feeling
of we'll take what we get. But I'll be honest
with you, I think this is a team that to
stay i'll say relevant. I don't think they would ever
be irrelevant. But you know, this team needs to still finish.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Five hundred overall.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Okay, honestly the Big East too. They should not be
you know, the Georgetown's and the Butlers, and there's teams
that they should still be beating. In my opinion, that
all said too, that's all based off of you know,
the Xavier I'll say, or you know, we know what
Xavier basketball is about. But this is such a new
thing short of the Sintos. Now that's the only one consistent.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Thing we've got.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
And you hope that the Cintas Center still continues to,
you know, give that team those extra points that they
don't usually get on the road to help them, you know,
stay relevant. I saw I think there's a there's a
website out there that kind of guesstimates their record for
the year, and I think I saw that they were
going to finish like eighteen and sixteen and eight and
(34:44):
eight in the Big East or nine to nine of
the Big East or something like that. They literally had
them five hundred across the board in both regular season
and conference. I guess I'm good with that. You know,
just give me a shift, get us in the Big
East and see what happens. And I mean, I don't
think any of us are sitting there going it's NCAA
or bust. I just hope we do. I just hope
this team doesn't come out, you know and finish two
(35:06):
and sixteen in conference, right, and honestly, you know, something
like that, especially with the way that the environment is,
that can set a program back. So sure there's hoping
that that doesn't happen. Hey, I do want to say Tony,
because I do believe that. I think it's awesome that
you're getting put into the Hall of Fame. It's well deserved.
I'm a I'm a fan of UC football because I
don't have a dog in the fight at Xavier. I'm
(35:27):
always rooting for UC football to do well, and I
think it's really cool that you're one of the good
ones to go inside the Hall of Fame. So congratulations
on that, and don't take my don't take my talk
back seriously later today.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
David, thank you man. Have a great DAGs, David, be good, sir.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Stick here.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now that's what good, clean rivalry fun is all about.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Let's let's take that, and let's take a call from
another UC Bearcat football fan that I know and maybe
perhaps someone that that does have his pulse on all
things Xavier as the voice of the common Xavier fan
and yes, a you see football fan as well.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Wow, voice, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I am actually going to the game on Saturday, but
I can't say that I'm an actual huge fan. You
weren't there since the last past.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You were't a Hall of Fame shirt.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
I am.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I know you good?
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Not right because only because your mom bought it for me, That's.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Honestly.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Hey, I told your dad.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Last week that the voice was no longer because I
was a little bit mad, mad about the whole situation.
But I guess, uh, we'll see. I can hold a grudge,
as Austin can.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All well know, I honestly, David just said, five hundred
what what are the expectations for this Savior team?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You know, they weren't high to begin with, but then
when you go out and lose to Murray State at home,
I don't I don't think they've gotten any better. I
didn't go down on Saturday. But you know what's funny
is I was listening to some of the game with
Joe and Byron, and when a guy would score and
they'd say their name, I was like, was that us
or them? I don't even know if we scored or
they scored?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, because I don't know.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Anybody on the team.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
So I think Patino's got a free pass this year.
I mean, how can you hold him accountable for anything.
They had the last minute transfer portal guys that are
averaging two points a game for the most part last year.
So I don't think it's high at all. But I,
like Dave said, I don't want him to go to
in eighteen in the Big East either.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
How long?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
How long would be the I don't want to say
how long would be the least? How How long would
would that honeymoon phase end? I mean, is it that
he gets a year, get your guys in here. In
the next year, it's back to competing in the Big East.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
I think that's got to be pretty much what it is. Yeah,
I mean, I think he's got to pre pass this year.
But if they go out two years in a row
and are completely blown away, then no, and then they
got to look differently. But I think he's a good coach,
so I don't I got hopes there. But if you
guys were talking about the Louisville guy that came from
the te league, I've never cared less about college sports
than I do right now, And I don't know that
(37:59):
it'll ever turn back differently. It's just going in a
direction that's not fun, honestly.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, well yeah, voice great to hear your voice, and
I look forward to seeing that red and black on
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yep, we'll see thee.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Glad to hear you. That's the voice. I love it now.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Listen, I would have thought it a cold day and
you know where when the voice would have said, hey,
five hundred will be okay.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's crazy, but it is like I get completely late
in the window.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Obviously, not a lot of ways to fill out a
roster based on what Sean Miller did. It's tough, but
there are there are vastly different expectations in this city
right now. The expectations in Clifton, I don't even think
are getting to the tournament. You got to get in
and win a game. I legitimately think west Miller has
to win a game in the tournament this year.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, I mean obviously. And then across the river at Nku,
you thinking Sweet sixteen, death taxes, Horn and March. I
don't think. In Kate, I'm trying to think who the
favorite is in the horizon. It's probably Youngstown State, it
won't matter. It might be Youngstown State preseason. Yeah, come February,
March time in the Norse. Last time I saw or
(39:12):
I actually did. I pulled a Tony Pike last week
and I started looking at Joe Lenardi. Wow, bracketologyology, let's go,
And the first thing I saw was he had Youngstown
State as a fifteen. I said, well, this guy didn't
know what he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Last time I looked at bracketology, I believe Yeah, the
Bearcats is a nine. Well, something's changing now because when
I looked at it again, it was a nine. The
latest bracketology you see last by Oh, so they are
trending to the bubble.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
What happens when you beat but they do you blow
that second athlete against Michigan, they lost Big Slime, Big slime,
that's big Lime is out, so that ain't sliming around.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
No mo makes things a little bit interesting. By the way,
Good news Houston preseason top overall seeds opens up big
twelve play with.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well make a statement there opportunity to make a statement.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
We are going to finish up our number one when
we return. Zach Taylor will speak at one o'clock. Will
air that all coming up next on this the Home
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Speaker 9 (40:14):
You see KWISE Cincinnati but Dave Lapham's enshrinement into the
Bengals Ring of Honor.
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By Skyline Feeling good against Skyline Time. Now here's Dan.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
And d Lack.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
You not only played all five offensive line positions during
your career, you did it in the same game twice.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That's mind boggling to me.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
How did you know every assignment? Yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
I prided myself on, even in high school and college,
kind of understanding exactly what everybody was doing on the
field instead of just tunnel vision on my particular play.
So knowing what's going on around you, knowing what from
an environmental standpoint, you know, well, what is happening around you,
and not having that tunnel vision like a just and
understanding what all of your teammates are doing and why
(41:03):
they're doing and how they're doing it.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
And that allowed me to play any place. For more
on the Life of lap keep it here on ESPN.
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Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
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Thanks to Skyline Chili, thank you for listening in always
appreciative of that. We'll get to your talkbacks nour number
two right after we hear from Zach Taylor, who's going
to speak to the media in just a few moments.
Austin question. Answer, Is DJ Turner the best player on
the Bengals defense? Yes he is, Yes he is right now.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes he is. I think so too. That's because Trey
Henderson's hurt and banged up, not one hundred percent. So
I'm going to say because DJ Turner apparently is one
hundred percent and the way he's playing.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Kirk clk Street said on Thursday Night Football that if
you watch the tape, he's playing as well as any
corner in the game.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Do you want some DJ Turner stats. He's first enforced incompletions,
He's first enforced incompletion percentage. He's first in past breakups.
He's first in interceptions. He's third in passer rating against.
He's third in reception percentage allowed. Come on, among all
(42:22):
NFL quarterbacks, that's where DJ Turner ranks. Come on. So,
Kirk kurve Street's correct, he's playing like CB one, not
just on the team you said, CBT, but in the
National Football League CTV. That guy stinks. He's not good.
He's not very good.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
We'll talk about cam Taylor Britt later on in the
show because he came up. Wonder how that message was
received in a conversation as as well. We got time
here before we get to Zach Taylor. We'll take one
more call to finish up the hour.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (42:47):
John?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Good?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Afternoon follows How are you good?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (42:52):
We're hanging in there. That Marshall story is wild.
Speaker 9 (42:55):
You know, as a sixty two year old Italian American
in Boston, I'd like to pay cash, so there's no
paper trail at all. So once I come to Cincinnati
to visit you guys, I'm gonna make sure I bring
the debit card and also a credit card so I
don't get into that predicament that that was tough. The
only suggestion I would make Tony is, I know, obviously
the receipts are thrown away, and I'm one hundred percent
(43:15):
with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Did you still have the bag that the stuff came in?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Okay. Did you bring the jacket in the bag?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Because I thought I thought then it could look like
I was trying to conceal or hide something. I walked
in just that way. I thought in my mind, I
was like, they could go to the tape and see
that I walk in with this. For for whatever reason,
I thought Marshalls has like the all twenty two like
just available to go check the tape at any point,
because I told them to check the tape and I
wanted to make them available that I if you need
(43:44):
to check the tape and watch me walk in with
this thing.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
Maybe they have a small scouting staff like the Bengals,
and they just don't have the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
There, the tapes are erased. Every tapes are erased every
thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
This is this one Beta Max. They still use.
Speaker 9 (44:00):
The suggestion for Sunday is Joe Flacco, just like you
know Dad on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
He could be the designated quarterback for both teams. Just
call it a win for the Bengals. Yeah, Joe could
play for both teams.
Speaker 9 (44:11):
He's had a lot of bullets left in that arm,
and he did play for the Jets, so that could
be suggested. And the other thing is, yeah, why not
just have a designated quarterback like the big old guys too.
I think this game scares me just a little bit
because the Jets the last two weeks have held Denver
to thirteen points and Carolina the thirteen points. And the defense, yeah,
playing better, and they can run the football with Brees ball,
(44:33):
and we know what Cincinnati's issues have been with stopping
the run, so kind of a little bit scary.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
They can run the ball, and I know they're ower
and seven. I know personally Sauce Gardner is going to
look forward to an opportunity to go against Jamar Chase.
That's a good secondary. Still, they still got Quentin Williams
you have to deal with there are talented players on
the roster. When you start ozhing seven, things just kind
of start the snowball. But like any other team in
any other sport, if you let a team that's not
(45:01):
on your same level or struggling hang around, they start
to believe and then their confidence grows. And when a
team starts playing with that confidence when they're not good,
that can be where you get a little dangerous.
Speaker 9 (45:13):
Off the Jetsy another quarterback that can look at Boomer size,
and he's gonna be in town too. So there's a
lot of options for Sunday right.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Even for the being taken care of as he's being
brought into town.
Speaker 9 (45:23):
Yeah that's another wild story, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Man.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
That's that's part for the course. Finally, I just want
to mention something about Russell Wilson. Good for him clapping
back as I think the most or the least likable
guy in the NFL. Sean Payton, I root against the
Denver Broncos, probably the only team I root against because
of him.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
He's such a I don't want to swear, Yeah, be.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Careful, don't make me use the dump button. John.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I won't.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
I know.
Speaker 9 (45:45):
I've been in the business too long. I trade myself
not to swear on radio, so I will not swear
on radio. But I do not like that guy.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
You look at Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy's resume, they're identical,
each one of the They had the same winning percentage,
same amount of time in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Mike McCarthy had.
Speaker 9 (46:04):
Three straight twelve one seasons in Dallas, and yet everybody
looks at Sean Payton like he invented the sport, and
that Mike McCarthy is Fred Flintstone. You know, it's just
a they Yep, somehow have the same resume, and it's
just a lot of its perception. And I remember against
Denver all the time, mostly because of Sean Payton. Even
the year after Atlanta blew the twenty eighth to three
Super Bowl against the Patriots, he was having runs with
Matt Ryan, one of the classiest.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Guys in the league.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
When Matt Ryan ran out of bounce kind of you know,
kind of dissing him about losing the lead in the
Super Bowl. It's like, he's just someone I can't root for.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm with you, John, thanks for the call, man, Appreciate
you all right, fellas have a good one, all right.
One other quick quarterback note, Austin Jade Daniels is not
going to play this week.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
He is officially out. Marcus Mariota is in against the
Kansas City Chiefs. Marcus Mariota has won a playoff game
at Arrowhead Stadium.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Zach Taylor, He's won a playoff game in Arrowhead. Yeah,
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