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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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back and let us know what your thought is around
Joe Burrow or Ellie Daily Cruz or anything else we've
talked about today. But for right now, it's Thursday. It's
one o'clock. That means our guy John Sheeran standing by
to join us from A to Z Sports covering the
Cincinnati Bengals. What's going on? John?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hey, guys, I haven't seen the sun this week so far,
but I guess Joe Burrow's going to provide that on Sunday.
Maybe would be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
The closest thing. Is this the most interesting three and
seventeen we've had in the NFL in quite some time?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I would probably say that you never really know what
you're gonna get on Sundays, but some things you kind
of do know what you're gonna get. Maybe a lot
of mistackles, maybe a lot of not knowing how to win,
not a lot of complimentary football.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Some things kind of remain the same, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And yet with all of that, it feels like a
boxing match right now where they've been knocked out or
seemingly almost knocked out multiple times and they survived the round.
I thought last week was the final blow, and then
this week happens, and Joe Burrow's back, and Joe Burrow
was a full participant yesterday, and everything that I'm leading
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to see is telling me that Joe Burrow might actually
even play on Sunday. The big question is John should
he play on Sunday? What are your overall thoughts on
Joe Burrow?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think this is one of the very few things
where I just have no interest in speculating at all
into something that I just don't know about. I think
this whole thing has been either correctly reported or just
there's just not been any actual concrete information on anyone.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Outside of pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Nos.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
This is supposed to be a three month at minimum
recovery for a very serious injury, that very painful injury,
by the way, And somehow, after fifty two days after
he had surgery, he's back in practice. So obviously the
timeline was accelerated or it was just a lot quicker
than anyone on the outside thought. So I went from
mid December to Thanksgiving to a week after Thanksgiving, two
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a week before Thanksgiving. It's been jumping all over the place,
and I just I have no idea how healthy he is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I think the safest thing to assume is.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That if he's medically clear to play, and he's able
to practice fully, and he's the best quarterback that they
have on the roster, especially with Joe Flaco excuse me,
dealing with an ac joint spring, then he might as
well play. And if that's the case, and that's the case,
and if he doesn't play, then if to assume that
he's just not ready to play, I don't think I
can go any further than that without recklessly speculating on
something that frankly, again, like we just don't know. Every
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injury is different, every recovery. He's different, And clearly this
has been an injury that has either been misreported on
or this we just do not know. So I think
the safest thing to assume is that if he does play,
then he's able to play, and he's the best option
that they got and for a team that's still technically
technically in the playoff race, that's just what they got
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So if he does play, you're just ready to talk
about really reeling off seven in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Then yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Gonna Is he gonna help the Bengals defense adjust schematically
and help them tackle?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I doubt it, you know, I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think with this matchup, specifically, a quarterback in Drake
May that can throw over the yard really all three
levels of the field. He's been incredibly accurate in that
offense that Josh mcdannals has always run, knows how the
scheme guy's open in the underneath areas of the field.
So this is just it should be another week in
which the Bengals should be prepared to score thirty. And
I think that's an interesting variable coming off of this
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past week, when you know, I don't know if if TJ.
Watts hit on Joe Flacco impacted his shoulder. I don't
know if it was the weather that he was not
able to put to drive the ball through all that win,
but wasn't where it needed to be for the rest
of the season because you just have to assume that
the defense is going to continue giving.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Up thirty points every week.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So I do think that there is some value in
Joe Flacco potentially coming back down to Earth. Whether that's injury,
whether the fact that he's forty or not, it doesn't
really matter. Like this offense still needs to be reliable
every single week, no matter of the matchups. So if
you do get better production out of a again, if
he's healthy, a healthy Joe Burrow with you know, reunited
with his weapons and everything like that, that should allow
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them to remain at least competitive in these games. And yeah,
like obviously, you know, whoever the quarterback is doesn't really
impact the defense. But if you still have to play
with this defense and you need the best quarterback out
there possible.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You mentioned getting back with his weapons, they're obviously going
to be without Jamar Chase. Does that at all go
into this decision making in your opinion that you are shorthanded,
it's going to make it a little easier on the
New England defense to defend the Cincinnati Bengals. When you
take arguably the best receiver in football away from an offense,
does that factor in at all you in a game
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plan or in Joe Burrow getting back out there.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Possibly? Possibly.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think they ran into a lot of things that
didn't expect last week against the Steelers and how they
defended Jamar Chase, and I.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Think that I also led into a lot of their issues.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Joe is obviously played without Jamar within this offense. I
remember the you know, the four game stretch when Chase
had the hip injury back in twenty twenty two. Teagans
averaged just under one hundred receiving yards a game that
that season, and during that stretch, Trent Irwin was obviously
a guy that's stepped up big, and maybe that's gonna
be Mitchell Tinsley. Now, obviously andre Yo Sabas is going
to have more of a mixpended role like this offense
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still needs, you know, multiple quality receivers outside of the
you know, the true X on the field at the time,
and that is going to be Tigue. And so Burrow
does have that experience and whereas Flacco doesn't. Flaco's really
relied on spamming targets to Jamar Chase. He's every fourteen
a game with Laco in there, So how they redistribute
that is going to be interesting. I would hope that
Mike Seki's healthy enough to play, and if he does,
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like that's just another big body receiver that he can
have against the defense you know, like is pretty solid
in all three phases or all three levels of that defense.
So yeah, I think there is value in Burrow being
back out there knowing what it's, knowing how to redistrib
to the ball when the true gravitational force of Jamar
Chason that out there and does make.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It harder for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
You mentioned the Patriots defense, I mean they're the best
run defense in the NFL as far as yards per game,
which I'm sure plays a role in the game plan
with or without Joe Burrow when it comes to passing
it against them. How do you expect that rotation to
work with the wide receivers. Do you think it's gonna
be Mitch Tinsley time. Do you think Charlie Jones gets involved?
And where does this put Jermaine Burton, everybody's favorite player.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I do think that Burton should be excited to actually
maybe dress.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
For once this time. I would highly doubt that he has.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Any sort of trust with the coaching staff that it's
actually plays significant snaps, But as someone who's going to
be in uniform and can come onto the field and
maybe very specific situations, that could be a case in
which Burton does see the field.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But you have to think it's Tinsley right.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He's fourth on the death chart because of how much
trust that he's earned over the offseason and then the
very few opportunities that he's had in actual games. He
continues to show like it wasn't just you know, the
preseason game against the Commanders which had two touchdowns, that
wasn't just a miage. He knows how to track, you know,
deep passes, and he knows how to bring it in
and knows how.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
To work against quarterbacks like that. So I think it's.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Been a case where you don't want to take Chase
and Higgins off the field and put Mitchell Tintley on
the boundary, which is where he's had the majority of
the success.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Success.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But now that you have one of those guys who
has to sit out this game. That's the perfect opportunity
for Tinsley to fill in. Keep Andre Josavash in a
role in which he's been practicing now throughout the last
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They don't really change what you do with him, but.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You insert Tindsley either into the X or into the flanker,
you know, whatever, however you want to adjust with t Higgins,
and then you kind of roll with that trio and
then Charlie Jones can step in if needed, and then
Burton is going to be maybe your emergency backup off
the bench.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's how I would expect it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I would be very surprised if Burdon just somehow assended
over Tinsley, though, because I think Tinsley has very much
earned this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Do you take anything positive coming out of the buy
From what we saw from the defense. They gave up
the opening drive touchdown. They allowed Mason Rudolph to essentially
do whatever he wanted, especially on third and eleven multiple
times third and I believe sixteen. They only went one
third down and not converting in the whole second half.
But there are some out there that say two defensive
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touchdowns the defense held Pittsburgh to twenty. Are there positives
at all that you took away from the defensive performance
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I think there was positives in the adjustments that they
sought to make, and they rolling out with more of
an odd front, which impacted of the roles.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
For the defensive end.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Miles Murphy had definitely his best game of his career,
and I think that was probably attributed to some of
the differences in what they asked him to do. He
saw more planned McKinley Jackson, who was kind of more
in the heads of nose role. I think be Ja
Hill had a previous game along with Joseph Side, so
he saw some promise from the front four of the
front five, if you will, in this case, he saw
more pressure against the definent Steelers offense line, So that
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was at least someone.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Promising to see. But I think at the end of
the day, like if.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
If you're if your back seven has trouble in space,
not only with pursued angles, but wrapping up and just
making you know, isolated tackles in space, like that's not
that's not necessarily something that you can just fix on
the fly.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And the middle season.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Outside of personnel changes, and they just haven't really been
any personnel changes, right, there's still guys on the bench
right now who probably could do a little bit better
job than the likes of Geno Stone and Barck Carter
and things like that, things of that nature.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So there's just so many, so much that you can.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Do schematically to fixed problems that you're just gonna have
issues with no matter who you play. And I think
that was just that's just something that they're gonna have
to live with if they want to keep with this
group of guys. So it was promising to see the
schematic changes up front, but when they weren't able to
rally to the ball at the line of screamage, when
when you had those opportunities in space, like, those problems
are just going to persist. And that's I wasn't necessarily
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surprised about that. That's just going to be what the
defense is.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Why do you think they've been so hesitant to move
off of Geno Stone? And if Dejon Anthony is able
to go, do you expect to see him on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You'd have to assume the leash is just as short
as possible, right, And I like I don't think it
was the coach's decision obviously to cut his pay in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I think that was more of a personnel thing in
regards to this.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Guy's as not worth as much money as we're paying him,
so we're gonna give him a pay cut because he
has to accept that, And that's just how the personnel.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Department saw him. But for whatever reason, the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Continues to see him as a guy that needs to
be out there for one hundred percent of snaps, and
that's just it just doesn't seem like it's it's worth
at this point to not see what Tyson Anderson or
what dies On Anthony can do in that role instead,
even if it's on a rotational basis, which we've seen
over the past handful of years, ever since Jesse Bates left,
like Nick Scott and Jordan Battle rotated quite often like he.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Had von Belle rotated in now last year.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Right, I don't know how Gino Stone is any better
or worse than some of the unfortunate liabilities that we've
had at that position in the past couple of years.
And the fact that Tyson Anderson is now interned a
contract year and you still have no idea what he
can do on defense.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't know if he's just not.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
As good in practice, they just don't trust him, whatever
the case may be. It's just embarrassing scene out there,
just completely with on tackles and allowing to all these
explosive plays. Like at some point something has to change
with him or with the people making these decisions.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
John, I'm fascinated. Weekend and week out, we hear Zach
Taylor at the podium, and normally he's pretty close to
the vest when it comes to discussing injuries or player availability,
and yet for back to back weeks when asked about
Trey Hendrickson, it's been very abbreviating to the point that
he's doubtful. Normally, this is something I feel like we
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hear from Zach Taylor of well, we're going to give
it a go this week and let the week play
out and we'll make a decision. He's been very to
the point, very adamant. Both mondays Trey Hendrickson is doubtful
in the grand scheme of things. Do you think we
see Trey Hendrickson again this year or not?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I think it's right up there with Burrow and the
fact that we just don't know. Obviously, with Hendrickson in
his contract situation, that's a very that he kind of
can go down that rabbit hole and say, does he
is he really pushing to play right now? Is he
just trying to get right And that's just what's been
communicated to Zach and the training staff and how he's
just not quite there and it's just it's just too
early to make any sort of of a well see
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type of statement. It was the fact that he suffered
this injury in week six and he was able to
play in week eight obviously wasn't gonna play a week
seven because it was just a hndful of days rest
on Thursday football. So the reaggravation or the aggravation of
set injury has been apparently worse than the actual injury before,
or he just doesn't feel like he can play through
because of how quickly he was re injured again.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
That could be something that plays into it.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And how he just wants to be fully right before
he goes back out there. But you know, if there's
only seven games left and if we're at a point
where it's not even remotely close to him being playing
when he's making these announcements on Monday, he does start
to feel like maybe that's just the case of he's
just trying to play as safe as possible and maybe
if they're maybe they do somehow make the playoffs, Like
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maybe he could be able for the postseason at that point,
but obviously that's a long way away, as a fairy
tale way if they actually do make the playoffs of
this race. So yeah, I think there's something to be
said about where he is with his contract and his
future and the fact that he's dealing with injury that
unfortunately he reinjured and apparently is not worse than what
it was.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
In the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's hard to discuss it against a team who's nine
and two and has been on a tear since a
loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. But during their winning streak
wins against the Panthers, Saints, Titans, Browns, Falcons, and the Jets,
they have impressive wins against Tampa and Buffalo, both on
the road. Is there a pass Is there an avenue
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on how they could beat and maybe knock off this
Patriots team, And if so, how do you believe that
can happen?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
The offense just has to produce. Like at the end
of the day, I don't expect.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Drake May to walk in here and not be the
quarterback that he's been this entire season. I think it's
been incredibly impressive, the accuracy and the deep ball ability
that he's had with his receivers, with Stefan Diggs, with
Kaishawn Boudi, with Connor Henry, like, all those guys are producing.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
They're all on the same page, and it's just a
very cohesive offense.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And now it's a run game with trade Von Henderson
that is really starting to explode. So I just have
to assume that the Bengals are going to allow points
in this game and that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The Bengals need to respond. You could have some.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Very flutey turnovers here and there that can kind of
even the game a little bit out, But after last
week in which they only scored twelve points, like it
just has to be better than that. They're just not capable.
I don't think they're capable of beating the Patriots and
the kind of an ugly, low scoring type of situation,
and I don't think that's what the Bengals defense is
capable of doing against an offense that has a quarterback
playing at elite level right now. So the path is
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to win another high scoring shootout game with some flute turnovers.
So I think that's the only way that they can
beat any of these good teams on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
With a defense that is currently the worst scoring defense
of any team in the NFL in the last fifty years,
you would have to expect it's got to be how
the offense goes. It's certainly a busy time around the
Cincinnati Bengals, never a dull moment. It's easiest way to
follow along with everything you got going on as your
coverage of the Bengals continues.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
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We'll see a burrow actually plays.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In their own Let's go, John, Appreciate you man. We'll
talk again next week. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Thanks fellas.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
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Speaker 6 (17:35):
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
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Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well done.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
If the face of the franchise is one hundred percent healthy,
he's got to play.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But also, what about on sidekick after every score?
Speaker 6 (17:59):
We talked about the Yeah, the field a bit longer,
we talked about this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't hate it. I'm all for it.
Speaker 14 (18:05):
Zach Austen old man grumpy here, and I know I've
been on this past couple weeks of firing.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Did he call you, Zach? I think so?
Speaker 14 (18:13):
Taylor firing Tobin here and now that Joe Burrow will
more than likely start Sunday, Zach, Taylor's had six years
to protect the franchise quarterback and not once has he
chosen to do so. Another example of reckless disregard for
his franchise.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Quarterback.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I just find that to be false. Hasn't always worked,
but he certainly has tried to protect him. So there's
two different opinions on back to back talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, that's okay anyway.
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it's something. That's a good way to describe it.
He's a rod or die. I guess it's Jeff.
Speaker 16 (19:32):
So I'm just curious if Joe Burrow starts this week,
do they abandon the running game and get blown out?
Like thirty five.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To seventeen might happen regardless, So.
Speaker 16 (19:43):
How do they address it moving forward? Tony, as far
as Scott Saderfield goes, if he loses out the next
two weeks and they get blown out in the bowl game,
he'd better be clenching onto his seat because it may
be a little bit hot.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think that he'll still be safe. I think we'll
hear a but I'm telling you right now, I hear it,
I hear it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I think we'll hear a sadderfield extensions. M he's safe
for good? Got him too a bowl game? Yeah, that's
all it takes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (20:17):
Last night I was watching on YouTube some old Vice
President dan Quayle speeches, and I was thinking, Man, that
guy looks and sounds just like Zach Taylor, very uninspiring.
And then I thought to myself, how pathetic is it
that I'm at a point in my life where I'm
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watching old dan Quayle speeches. I peeked back in nineteen
ninety three and it's been downhill ever since.
Speaker 18 (20:44):
Hey, should Dan Board wear.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
A two pey?
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Only if it's like a long haired two peg?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Like, first of all, bald is beautiful and Dan Dan
looks great as is, but it would be very funny
he had like hair down to his Yes, you put
the headset on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That would be a great look from Dan.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
We all know Joe is a Jordan level competitive well
known from time infinitum just seems like two games and
four days with the second game being in Baltimore seems
a bit of a stretch, at least to me. I
guess we're gonna find out on Sunday morning. Probably it
sounds like you ain't.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Kidding, I can find out.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I think that's fair. Hesitation back to back games like
that makes it.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's a valid point.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, the valid your resident.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Lord, Hey, lord, I got a start.
Speaker 19 (21:32):
Bench cut injury news that you are tired of hearing about. Okay,
the Joe Flacco injury news, the Joe Burrow injury news,
or the Trey Hendrick Hendrickson injury news.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm never tired of the Burrow, so I'll cut that.
I am most tired, I think at this point of
Trey Hendrickson, so I'll start him and then I'll sit flacough,
I agree out of box. You gotta moon from the ding. Yep,
my bad. Definitely got my wires crossed. Yep. You know
that's what happens when you turn fifty. You start to
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lose memory.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Boys, Ah, what do you do?
Speaker 20 (22:13):
Sorry to Hi?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Did he say fifty fifty? Bugger fifty telling me moon
Man's fifty?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yep? Damn yep, Tony that moonman.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I appreciate the optimism for UC basketball after Dayton beat
Marquette last night. I did look at their non conference schedule.
They have Georgetown Virginia in Florida State on there for
the next six weeks. If I were a UC fan,
I would route very, very hard for Dayton player basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Sure, I'm all for that fly a tj east Side.
Speaker 20 (22:49):
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic keeping the heat
off Taylor and Tobe in the midst of another typical
and epically bad Mike Brown season. Hey, let's talk about
Joe and hopefully keep her audience engaged. Let's stave off
absolute apathy. Everyone needs to stop sucking on the Hopian balloon.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
This season is over.
Speaker 20 (23:06):
He has had a few days of practice.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Why risk this? Give him at least another week?
Speaker 20 (23:11):
Who hasn't been young, inured and wanted to play before
they were truly ready.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
God speed, Joe, but slow your role all right?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I seem to remember your dad telling me a story
about when you were hurt and trying to play. Yeah,
like to going back and forth with the coaches and
all that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It was a lot. That's why I said, Thank God,
for Bob Man Jean a light in the midst At
the end of the day, I knew Bob had me
taken care of.
Speaker 21 (23:37):
Mister Tony Pack. They're doing that is your old family
American dreams. That's the road. Just when you say, I'm
so happy to hit you back, baby, then two weeks
she was gone with some hard times.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Here you are getting like a monkey. Do your thingg baby,
funk you like him? Let's go. This is Mike and Independence.
Talk Back MO.
Speaker 22 (24:07):
Talkback MO is not available today. We're gonna be speaking
with Talkback Tony. No, okay, I've just learned that talk
Back Tony has prior obligations. So we'll turn to the
ever reliable, undervalued Austin elm Or.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And we're late for a break.
Speaker 22 (24:26):
We'll come right back and talk with Austin Home on
the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It's a good ol Q, good job, thank you. I
think just.
Speaker 23 (24:34):
Gotta be a joke with the front office of the
rigs rep in the city out here in sunny hot
What up, body, So that's what happened to Elie huh
Nick kraut Man. Poor decision from the rest of the Bengals.
I don't know which one is worse. It's comical. You
see Kyle swarber lo Key want to say he want
to come home. We won't power in the park. That's
how it's supposed to be. Figure away, Bearcat's done, embarrasses.
(24:54):
Make your free throws, get twelve points off of free
throws and take it from there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Master physical and now coach sat to see still hot,
you better feature Royer m.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Want power in the park. We would tell our most
powerful putters to lose weight.
Speaker 24 (25:09):
I swear emerging from semi retirement from the smoke field.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Foggy, hazy broom.
Speaker 24 (25:16):
I'm a grind of tape.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Boys.
Speaker 24 (25:17):
Don't think I found a solution to the defense. Why
don't they rally to the damn ball? Play after play? Hey,
just let him catch it. Oh there's another defender in
the area. They got it. I ain't got a hustle.
If you don't hustle, you don't play, You don't play
through to whistle. Go have a seat.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Hoop will he's been in the news lately.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Okay, Hey the taco bell Tony in Austin. I'm wid
with my Vrabels defense. Chase Brown might get more stuffed
than Austin's turkey this year for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
That's what I do worry about with the game on Sundays.
Their their run defense is really good. Yeah, Bengals haven't
run the ball well as we know for most of
the year. Oh boy, Joe get back their throat fifty times?
Oh boy, can you Claco or Burrow? We'll just let
Browning do it.
Speaker 19 (26:16):
Hey, guys, Marcus from the Groove, if Burrow plays and
looks like the Burrow from last year, does.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Your outlook on the season change? Because really, quarterback.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Isn't the issue, it's the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't think it changes. No, No, my mind doesn't change.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Todyosai, Georgia Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
How about them Dayton Flyers last night?
Speaker 11 (26:42):
To date?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Marquette, what do you gotta say about that?
Speaker 13 (26:46):
Right?
Speaker 20 (26:46):
Anyway, Austin two and eighty one days counting, and it's
going to keep counting at about what fourteen, eleven, twelve
more days?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He's got that, Yeah, he's got no has been, but
he doesn't know how long till the game have First
of all, George is not a bright person.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Second of all, I'm just focused on on Wreckers and
I'll say, after that, I'll be focused on Michigan and
after that I'll be focused on Indiana.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'll say, very good job to go beat Marquette. Marquette
only gave up one hundred to Indiana and then got
beat by Maryland, who went to overtime last night with
Mount Saint Mary. But I agree, good win for Dayton,
good win.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Have you guys seen the spread in total for the
Louisville UC game tomorrow? Ifisode sprinkle, sprinkle the over.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Difference between the spread and the over under. Usually you
don't get that until the day of in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I've heard that there's tickets available there is You.
Speaker 18 (27:42):
Should definitely play that. It's like you close out the show.
That'd be a great way to end the show with that.
That very beautiful voice from that was gifted from above
from city Jesus. Anyways, Yeah, today is.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
He listening to Wolf Blitzer in the back?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
What was going on there?
Speaker 18 (28:04):
You should definitely play that as like you close out
the show. That'd be a great way to end the
show with that, that very beautiful voice from that was
gifted from above from baby Jesus.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Anyways, Yeah, today sounds like wolf Blitzer back there.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
I think we need to make some phone calls and
get Kevin and norder Kentucky a voiceover gig.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, great, I don't hate it.
Speaker 25 (28:34):
Great turbulence, Tony warm Wedge Austin, long time, no talkback.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And we got a big Cincinnati sports weekend coming up.
Speaker 25 (28:41):
And unfortunately I don't see us being favored in any
of these tilts. But a successful weekend to me, at
the very least, would be FC Cincinnati taking down the
Pink Messies at TIQUL moving on to the Eastern Conference
Finals because U see he's not taking down Louisville Friday
eating BYU on Saturday, and the Bengals sure as hell
aren't going to take care of the Pats on Sunday.
(29:02):
I don't care if Joe Burrow plays or not.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Wow, Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, Let's say
Miami beats Cincinnati. Let's say New England beats the Bengals
and the Bearcats go for two on the weekend. Let's
say we go winless. Is it worth it if? On
Sunday evening it's announced that the Reds have signed Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Sure I'll get that. He'll take that train. I'll take that. Okay,
all right, interesting that was our last one. I'll take it.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Oh wait a minute, looks much like uh vooch we
got one here at the buzzer Voucci.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Hey, guys, double diffended day that Cincinnati is getting an
arena football league. You think Balin a easy can start
at wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, Balin's a he's an athlete. Can I ask no?
Can I ask you a fantasy football question? Sure?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
This is all in all honesty. You know there's a
lead league that you left that we were in. I'm
ten and one.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
In that one. Wow, here's my questions for leaving. I
have Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford on my roster and
I need to win this week Josh Allen. Allen goes
tonight against the Texans, Stafford goes up against Tampa on
Sunday night. I would do Stafford really, even Josh Allen
coming off that performance last week.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
The front seven in Houston is nasty.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Wouldn't that mean that they're not going to run the
ball and he's going to throw the ball? Buddy?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Have you watched Texans this year? They destroy quarterbacks home
Thursday night prime time. I don't trust the bills yet
and also you know who Josh Allen did all that
to last.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Week Tampa Stafford has been really good.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We have a development from Bengals practice to get to
when we come back for football on the nat Let's
get to that with football on the nat I think
it's a relatively large development. And then when we break
from football in the Natty, we'll come back to finish
up the hour with a little Kyle Schwarber with Sag
Dennison still ahead centy three six.
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Speaker 8 (31:12):
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Speaker 6 (31:31):
Ooh, football in the Natti sounded like one of the
hits you took the Saints.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Welcome back, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station developments from
Bengals practice. What's happening right now, Tony.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
The Bengals are practicing at the practice for fields adjacent
to Paige And this from our guy.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Charlie Goldsmith Chuck Sizzle.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Joe Burrow is taking the snap from Ted Carris during
the pre practice center exchange work. Oh, Joe Flacco is
with backup Lucas Patrick.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh. I mean just I don't know that that means anything.
I mean, just Burrow out there healthy and in full
pads today is a good thing. Yep.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Means there's no setback from yesterday. He's taking the snaps
with Ted Carris. Now this is his football team and
he's the face of the franchise. I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
There was a I don't know if it's a misconception,
but there was this idea out there because Kevin Stefanski
said something last week about well, he was talking about
Schendor Sanders and he hasn't got first team reps and
people were like shocked by this, and it like peeled
back the onion really of how reps work during a practice.
And I don't remember who I was reading it from,
(32:55):
but essentially the breakdown is you really, when you factor
in Wednesday Thursday's practice as a starting quarterback with first
team reps, there are probably thirty reps to be had.
In team settings, the starting quarterback takes all of those
reps like once the week in this season happens. There
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is no like, all right, first team's gonna get eight reps,
second team's gonna get four, and you just rotate like that.
The starting quarterback that week takes every single rep because
he needs every rep as much as possible.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I think this was the the Luke McCown post.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yes, yes, So people think, well, if he's a backup quarterback,
he should still be getting reps, and that's not how
it works. Peyton Manning in his last season of football,
was still taking every single rep in practice. It's needed,
it's important for multiple reasons. So this isn't a situation
(33:52):
where you know Joe Burrow is gonna take five snaps,
Flacco's gonna take five. They are gonna have to make
their decision of who is the guy and that guy
is going to get the snaps today, especially if it
is Flacco because he didn't practice yesterday. You can't run
the risk of giving Joe Burrow a bunch of snaps today.
Flacco needs them all. So if Joe's out there in
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team today, Burrow, that tells me that he's starting on Sunday.
Does that make sense? Yes, it just wouldn't. Like there's
not enough reps to go around that you can mess
around and be like, all right, let's make sure Flacco
gets some as well. That's not how it works. There's
not enough reps to go around that I agree is
going to be significant.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I think what I've learned that I think is maybe
most surprising and people might genuinely be surprised about to know,
is there really aren't that many reps during that week
that you get as a starter. Nope, Which it's kind
of hard to believe, but it's the reality.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's two heavy workdays. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Josh
Luke McCown I found them. He essentially said, if you
take in team periods, team run periods, and then seven
on seven, you're talking about thirty to forty reps, full
(35:10):
speed reps of the actual game plan throughout the course
of the week. That's it. Starting quarterback has to have
all those So who gets those reps today? Especially since
Joe Burrow had them all yesterday. If it's not Flacco
getting them today, I would be hard pressed to believe
Flacco is going to start on Sunday. And we know
Jake Browning ain't starting on Sunday. What do you think
(35:31):
is going through Jake Browning probably collect the check and
move on at this point, I think it's worth noting
there's obviously a couple of roster spots still available. I
think either tomorrow or Saturday, more than likely Saturday, there'll
be a flurry of moves, especially if Burrow is activated.
(35:54):
I mean, you got to think Sean Clifford's still on
the practice squad. Could I don't know exactly what they
would do with Jake Browning unless he's the emergency third
quarterback on game day. If Burrow's healthy and activated.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
And if Dejon Anthony is activated and SICKI is activated, like,
there's a lot of roster I think moves still to
be made over the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, speaking of someone that's getting ready to collect the check,
that would be one free agent, Kyle Schwarber Schworbo. Swarbo
was in town last night. You know he's from Middletown, Ohio. Middletown, Ohio.
No kidding, they honored him last night. Seg Dennison went.
Seg got some awesome audio seggi from Kyle Schwarber. We'll
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Welcome back since three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.
Kegan Nickoson will join us in our number three. Wes
Miller will join us in our number three. Chad Brendlan
from Moager will join us in our number three. Quick
update Austin. Early indication from about an hour or so
(38:17):
ago are that they are already north of sixteen thousand,
seven hundred tickets sold for tomorrow night's game between Elder
and Saint X. Wow, that's awesome. That number is going
to continue rising. They are already almost approaching seventeen thousand
to watch Elder and Saint X.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
I've got some family coming down from Sydney.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Heard the game. Yeah, any chance? Pat Kelsey just like
five minutes into the game gets himself ejected and then
heads down the street. Probably not the worst idea catches
the Elder Panthers. I mean, maybe I think they're gonna
win comfortable. Maybe we'll see he probably Gelder's gonna win.
You think Elder's gonna win comfortable?
Speaker 6 (38:57):
No, I think Louisville is probably gonna win, So he
could maybe get out of there double dip get the
second half double dip get him on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Middletown's Kyle Schwarber came in town for an event Middletown
last night. They were honoring Kyle last night. Our own
SEG Dennison went and after the event they had a
chance to talk to Kyle Schwarber. And I appreciate our guys,
sag Dennison because he ain't afraid to ask the hard
hitting questions. No, he's not. Take a listen to what
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Kyle Schwarber had to say last night.
Speaker 12 (39:30):
Oh, it's always great, you know. We whenever we're here,
it's always fun for us, right that. Uh, you know,
our kids, you know, grow up. You know, we got
our families here, mind my wife's family. Uh, we got
all of our we got all of our friends, we
all have kids the same age. It feels like it's uh,
(39:50):
you know, it's always fun for us to be here.
And like I said, this is a place that we
call home. And uh, you know, we we love it here.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, we we're going.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
To spend a lot of time here as a family
in the future.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
If the Reds showed any interest in during this free
agency offseason, what would that mean to you.
Speaker 12 (40:12):
I mean, like, you know, I think, uh, good old
Gordon wit Meyer was the one who who started this
frenzy at the All Star Game, but uh, you know
he asked the question kind of similar to that where
you know, I said the the you know, the kid
in me right that you know, I grew up going
to games there. I grew up sitting in the bleachers
and watching a lot of games, and uh, you know,
(40:35):
I think the kid would be you know, excited, right
of you have your hometown team, that's that's calling, so
you know, but also being in the profession and knowing
uh you know a little bit more of the ins
and outs, right, You're you're never going to uh not
be it open here, right, you always have to listen
(40:55):
and keep uh different options open and to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I know it's early in the process because you as
a free agent, but is there a possibility of you
coming here and playing for the Reds.
Speaker 12 (41:10):
That's a great question. I don't know, but if if
you know, if you're throwing the hypothetical out there, what
it would be like if that were to happen, you know,
I mean, I'm gonna give my all, just like I
do anyplace I am. You know, I I I try
to bury myself in my teammates, I try to bury
(41:31):
myself in the in your city, and you try to
just worry about all these other things that you know,
then you just go out there and do it. Your
mind just takes over in your mind plays right, But uh,
you know that's just I'll take it anywhere like I've been,
just always trying to be you know, be there for
you guys, to be there for your team, and also
(41:54):
trying to go out there and play at a very
high level.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are you hoping or anticipating maybe the Reds will make
an offer?
Speaker 12 (42:01):
Like I said, I don't know. I haven't even gotten
to really kind of sit down. I think this thing
kind of all just started, right, so, you know, the
qualifying offers stuff, all this got over with, so now
everyone kind of knows the expectations I think for a
lot of different free agents, and we'll see where the
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road goes from there.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
All right, that's Kyle Schwarber speaking last night. Listen. The
guy has awesome things to say about the city. This
is his home. He talks about the kids and his
wife and how much time they spend here, and how
he grew up in the bleacher seats and what that
would mean. Listen, I think he said everything that one
(42:44):
could possibly say right when given those questions. Do I
think he would jump at the opportunity to be a
Cincinnati read Absolutely. Do I see the Reds making that
a possibility? I don't. Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 6 (42:57):
It's hard to believe that that could be a reality.
But listening to him talk about it, it doesn't seem
like he would be dismissive of the Reds. No, it
seems like he'd be open minded. You have the meeting,
and you know, I did an interview with Jeff Carr
a couple of weeks ago down the hall on WLW,
and I asked him what's like a realistic path to
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making it happen? And he said it would be trading
somebody like Brady Singer to open up some of the
financial pathways. Kyle Schwarber like, Okay, I could see that.
I also understand that there are still a lot of
holes that need to be filled in the back end
of the bullpen. As of today, you don't really know
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who your closer is going to be. I think the
assumption is that it's going to be Tony Santien, but
like that's going to be a major issue. I don't
know how if it matters how many home runs Kyle
Schwarber hits, if you can't prevent the other team from scoring.
Much like the Joe Burrow and the Bengals defense conversation, Yeah,
(44:00):
I would.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Like to know.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I would like to ask Nick Crawl this or anybody
from the Reds organization. They've done it in the past,
deferred money. They did it with Ken Griffey Jr. They
did it with Bronson Arroyo. I know that ultimately they
weren't a big fan of that. But I wonder is
deferred money and deferring it down the line away or
(44:23):
a path for more small market teams to be competitive.
And would Kyle Schwarber, knowing that he's on the back
nine of his major league career, be open to taking
a deal like that and deferring years down the line
if it makes sense, and if there is that a
(44:45):
way of taking a quote unquote hometown discount, or maybe
he's not taking that much of a discount, but he's
getting that money later on in life.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I just think it would be a disservice to at
least not reach out to Kyle and his representation and
meet and just say, is there any scenario where we
can make this work. Here's where we're at. We're trying
to understand where you're at and if if it works,
(45:14):
if it makes sense, let's do it. Yeah. Like that,
that's all at the very least, and we know the
Reds will do that. They'll at least kick the tires
on something and for what it's worth. Nick Kral said
last night on the Red Hot Stove League Show that
when they were at the GM meetings, they met with
every agent, they met with every team, like they did
their homework on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Yeah, which is good to hear. I don't know if
exactly what it means. Kyle Schwarber's agent is Casey Close
from Excel Sports Management, so thank god it's not Scott Boris.
But you know, Kral did at least make it seem
that they talked to every agent at the GM meetings.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
You know, what, do you have any idea what Kyle
Schwarbers war was last year? I don't haven't looked at it.
Kyle Scherer's war Winds Above replacement was four point seven.
What could this team have done last year with five
more wins. Yeah, even if it's at that spot right now,
five more wins to this team last year makes the
world of a difference. Go get him, man, I know
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it's a pipe dream, Man, go get him. It would
be fun. I know we got Keegan Nickoson. That's not
a pipe dream. He joined us next second favorite Nickoson
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Joe Burrow or Ellie Daily Cruz or anything else we've
talked about today. But for right now, it's Thursday. It's
one o'clock. That means our guy John Sheeran standing by
to join us from A to Z Sports covering the
Cincinnati Bengals. What's going on? John?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hey, guys, I haven't seen the sun this week so far,
but I guess Joe Burrow's going to provide that on Sunday.
Maybe would be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
The closest thing. Is this the most interesting three and
seventeen we've had in the NFL in quite some time?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I would probably say that you never really know what
you're gonna get on Sundays, but some things you kind
of do know what you're gonna get. Maybe a lot
of mistackles, maybe a lot of not knowing how to win,
not a lot of complimentary football.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Some things kind of remain the same, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And yet with all of that, it feels like a
boxing match right now where they've been knocked out or
seemingly almost knocked out multiple times and they survived the round.
I thought last week was the final blow, and then
this week happens, and Joe Burrow's back, and Joe Burrow
was a full participant yesterday, and everything that I'm leading
(01:38):
to see is telling me that Joe Burrow might actually
even play on Sunday. The big question is John should
he play on Sunday? What are your overall thoughts on
Joe Burrow?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think this is one of the very few things
where I just have no interest in speculating at all
into something that I just don't know about. I think
this whole thing has been either correctly reported or just
there's just not been any actual concrete information on anyone.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Outside of pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Nos.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
This is supposed to be a three month at minimum
recovery for a very serious injury, that very painful injury,
by the way, And somehow, after fifty two days after
he had surgery, he's back in practice. So obviously the
timeline was accelerated or it was just a lot quicker
than anyone on the outside thought. So I went from
mid December to Thanksgiving to a week after Thanksgiving, two
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a week before Thanksgiving. It's been jumping all over the place,
and I just I have no idea how healthy he is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I think the safest thing to assume is.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That if he's medically clear to play, and he's able
to practice fully, and he's the best quarterback that they
have on the roster, especially with Joe Flaco excuse me,
dealing with an ac joint spring, then he might as
well play. And if that's the case, and that's the case,
and if he doesn't play, then if to assume that
he's just not ready to play, I don't think I
can go any further than that without recklessly speculating on
something that frankly, again, like we just don't know. Every
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injury is different, every recovery. He's different, And clearly this
has been an injury that has either been misreported on
or this we just do not know. So I think
the safest thing to assume is that if he does play,
then he's able to play, and he's the best option
that they got and for a team that's still technically
technically in the playoff race, that's just what they got
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So if he does play, you're just ready to talk
about really reeling off seven in a row.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Then yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Gonna Is he gonna help the Bengals defense adjust schematically
and help them tackle?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I doubt it, you know, I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think with this matchup, specifically, a quarterback in Drake
May that can throw over the yard really all three
levels of the field. He's been incredibly accurate in that
offense that Josh mcdannals has always run, knows how the
scheme guy's open in the underneath areas of the field.
So this is just it should be another week in
which the Bengals should be prepared to score thirty. And
I think that's an interesting variable coming off of this
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past week, when you know, I don't know if if TJ.
Watts hit on Joe Flacco impacted his shoulder. I don't
know if it was the weather that he was not
able to put to drive the ball through all that win,
but wasn't where it needed to be for the rest
of the season because you just have to assume that
the defense is going to continue giving.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Up thirty points every week.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So I do think that there is some value in
Joe Flacco potentially coming back down to Earth. Whether that's injury,
whether the fact that he's forty or not, it doesn't
really matter. Like this offense still needs to be reliable
every single week, no matter of the matchups. So if
you do get better production out of a again, if
he's healthy, a healthy Joe Burrow with you know, reunited
with his weapons and everything like that, that should allow
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them to remain at least competitive in these games. And yeah,
like obviously, you know, whoever the quarterback is doesn't really
impact the defense. But if you still have to play
with this defense and you need the best quarterback out
there possible.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You mentioned getting back with his weapons, they're obviously going
to be without Jamar Chase. Does that at all go
into this decision making in your opinion that you are shorthanded,
it's going to make it a little easier on the
New England defense to defend the Cincinnati Bengals. When you
take arguably the best receiver in football away from an offense,
does that factor in at all you in a game
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plan or in Joe Burrow getting back out there.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Possibly? Possibly.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think they ran into a lot of things that
didn't expect last week against the Steelers and how they
defended Jamar Chase, and I.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Think that I also led into a lot of their issues.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Joe is obviously played without Jamar within this offense. I
remember the you know, the four game stretch when Chase
had the hip injury back in twenty twenty two. Teagans
averaged just under one hundred receiving yards a game that
that season, and during that stretch, Trent Irwin was obviously
a guy that's stepped up big, and maybe that's gonna
be Mitchell Tinsley. Now, obviously andre Yo Sabas is going
to have more of a mixpended role like this offense
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still needs, you know, multiple quality receivers outside of the
you know, the true X on the field at the time,
and that is going to be Tigue. And so Burrow
does have that experience and whereas Flacco doesn't. Flaco's really
relied on spamming targets to Jamar Chase. He's every fourteen
a game with Laco in there, So how they redistribute
that is going to be interesting. I would hope that
Mike Seki's healthy enough to play, and if he does,
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like that's just another big body receiver that he can
have against the defense you know, like is pretty solid
in all three phases or all three levels of that defense.
So yeah, I think there is value in Burrow being
back out there knowing what it's, knowing how to redistrib
to the ball when the true gravitational force of Jamar
Chason that out there and does make.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It harder for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
You mentioned the Patriots defense, I mean they're the best
run defense in the NFL as far as yards per game,
which I'm sure plays a role in the game plan
with or without Joe Burrow when it comes to passing
it against them. How do you expect that rotation to
work with the wide receivers. Do you think it's gonna
be Mitch Tinsley time. Do you think Charlie Jones gets involved?
And where does this put Jermaine Burton, everybody's favorite player.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I do think that Burton should be excited to actually
maybe dress.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
For once this time. I would highly doubt that he has.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Any sort of trust with the coaching staff that it's
actually plays significant snaps, But as someone who's going to
be in uniform and can come onto the field and
maybe very specific situations, that could be a case in
which Burton does see the field.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But you have to think it's Tinsley right.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He's fourth on the death chart because of how much
trust that he's earned over the offseason and then the
very few opportunities that he's had in actual games. He
continues to show like it wasn't just you know, the
preseason game against the Commanders which had two touchdowns, that
wasn't just a miage. He knows how to track, you know,
deep passes, and he knows how to bring it in
and knows how.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
To work against quarterbacks like that. So I think it's.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Been a case where you don't want to take Chase
and Higgins off the field and put Mitchell Tintley on
the boundary, which is where he's had the majority of
the success.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Success.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But now that you have one of those guys who
has to sit out this game. That's the perfect opportunity
for Tinsley to fill in. Keep Andre Josavash in a
role in which he's been practicing now throughout the last
couple of years.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They don't really change what you do with him, but.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You insert Tindsley either into the X or into the flanker,
you know, whatever, however you want to adjust with t Higgins,
and then you kind of roll with that trio and
then Charlie Jones can step in if needed, and then
Burton is going to be maybe your emergency backup off
the bench.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's how I would expect it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I would be very surprised if Burdon just somehow assended
over Tinsley, though, because I think Tinsley has very much
earned this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Do you take anything positive coming out of the buy
From what we saw from the defense. They gave up
the opening drive touchdown. They allowed Mason Rudolph to essentially
do whatever he wanted, especially on third and eleven multiple
times third and I believe sixteen. They only went one
third down and not converting in the whole second half.
But there are some out there that say two defensive
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touchdowns the defense held Pittsburgh to twenty. Are there positives
at all that you took away from the defensive performance
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I think there was positives in the adjustments that they
sought to make, and they rolling out with more of
an odd front, which impacted of the roles.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
For the defensive end.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Miles Murphy had definitely his best game of his career,
and I think that was probably attributed to some of
the differences in what they asked him to do. He
saw more planned McKinley Jackson, who was kind of more
in the heads of nose role. I think be Ja
Hill had a previous game along with Joseph Side, so
he saw some promise from the front four of the
front five, if you will, in this case, he saw
more pressure against the definent Steelers offense line, So that
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was at least someone.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Promising to see. But I think at the end of
the day, like if.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
If you're if your back seven has trouble in space,
not only with pursued angles, but wrapping up and just
making you know, isolated tackles in space, like that's not
that's not necessarily something that you can just fix on
the fly.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And the middle season.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Outside of personnel changes, and they just haven't really been
any personnel changes, right, there's still guys on the bench
right now who probably could do a little bit better
job than the likes of Geno Stone and Barck Carter
and things like that, things of that nature.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So there's just so many, so much that you can.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Do schematically to fixed problems that you're just gonna have
issues with no matter who you play. And I think
that was just that's just something that they're gonna have
to live with if they want to keep with this
group of guys. So it was promising to see the
schematic changes up front, but when they weren't able to
rally to the ball at the line of screamage, when
when you had those opportunities in space, like, those problems
are just going to persist. And that's I wasn't necessarily
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surprised about that. That's just going to be what the
defense is.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Why do you think they've been so hesitant to move
off of Geno Stone? And if Dejon Anthony is able
to go, do you expect to see him on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
You'd have to assume the leash is just as short
as possible, right, And I like I don't think it
was the coach's decision obviously to cut his pay in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I think that was more of a personnel thing in
regards to this.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Guy's as not worth as much money as we're paying him,
so we're gonna give him a pay cut because he
has to accept that, And that's just how the personnel.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Department saw him. But for whatever reason, the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Continues to see him as a guy that needs to
be out there for one hundred percent of snaps, and
that's just it just doesn't seem like it's it's worth
at this point to not see what Tyson Anderson or
what dies On Anthony can do in that role instead,
even if it's on a rotational basis, which we've seen
over the past handful of years, ever since Jesse Bates left,
like Nick Scott and Jordan Battle rotated quite often like he.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Had von Belle rotated in now last year.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Right, I don't know how Gino Stone is any better
or worse than some of the unfortunate liabilities that we've
had at that position in the past couple of years.
And the fact that Tyson Anderson is now interned a
contract year and you still have no idea what he
can do on defense.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't know if he's just not.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
As good in practice, they just don't trust him, whatever
the case may be. It's just embarrassing scene out there,
just completely with on tackles and allowing to all these
explosive plays. Like at some point something has to change
with him or with the people making these decisions.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
John, I'm fascinated. Weekend and week out, we hear Zach
Taylor at the podium, and normally he's pretty close to
the vest when it comes to discussing injuries or player availability,
and yet for back to back weeks when asked about
Trey Hendrickson, it's been very abbreviating to the point that
he's doubtful. Normally, this is something I feel like we
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hear from Zach Taylor of well, we're going to give
it a go this week and let the week play
out and we'll make a decision. He's been very to
the point, very adamant. Both mondays Trey Hendrickson is doubtful
in the grand scheme of things. Do you think we
see Trey Hendrickson again this year or not?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I think it's right up there with Burrow and the
fact that we just don't know. Obviously, with Hendrickson in
his contract situation, that's a very that he kind of
can go down that rabbit hole and say, does he
is he really pushing to play right now? Is he
just trying to get right And that's just what's been
communicated to Zach and the training staff and how he's
just not quite there and it's just it's just too
early to make any sort of of a well see
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type of statement. It was the fact that he suffered
this injury in week six and he was able to
play in week eight obviously wasn't gonna play a week
seven because it was just a hndful of days rest
on Thursday football. So the reaggravation or the aggravation of
set injury has been apparently worse than the actual injury before,
or he just doesn't feel like he can play through
because of how quickly he was re injured again.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
That could be something that plays into it.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And how he just wants to be fully right before
he goes back out there. But you know, if there's
only seven games left and if we're at a point
where it's not even remotely close to him being playing
when he's making these announcements on Monday, he does start
to feel like maybe that's just the case of he's
just trying to play as safe as possible and maybe
if they're maybe they do somehow make the playoffs, Like
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maybe he could be able for the postseason at that point,
but obviously that's a long way away, as a fairy
tale way if they actually do make the playoffs of
this race. So yeah, I think there's something to be
said about where he is with his contract and his
future and the fact that he's dealing with injury that
unfortunately he reinjured and apparently is not worse than what
it was.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
In the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's hard to discuss it against a team who's nine
and two and has been on a tear since a
loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. But during their winning streak
wins against the Panthers, Saints, Titans, Browns, Falcons, and the Jets,
they have impressive wins against Tampa and Buffalo, both on
the road. Is there a pass Is there an avenue
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on how they could beat and maybe knock off this
Patriots team, And if so, how do you believe that
can happen?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
The offense just has to produce. Like at the end
of the day, I don't expect.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Drake May to walk in here and not be the
quarterback that he's been this entire season. I think it's
been incredibly impressive, the accuracy and the deep ball ability
that he's had with his receivers, with Stefan Diggs, with
Kaishawn Boudi, with Connor Henry, like, all those guys are producing.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
They're all on the same page, and it's just a
very cohesive offense.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And now it's a run game with trade Von Henderson
that is really starting to explode. So I just have
to assume that the Bengals are going to allow points
in this game and that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
The Bengals need to respond. You could have some.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Very flutey turnovers here and there that can kind of
even the game a little bit out, But after last
week in which they only scored twelve points, like it
just has to be better than that. They're just not capable.
I don't think they're capable of beating the Patriots and
the kind of an ugly, low scoring type of situation,
and I don't think that's what the Bengals defense is
capable of doing against an offense that has a quarterback
playing at elite level right now. So the path is
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to win another high scoring shootout game with some flute turnovers.
So I think that's the only way that they can
beat any of these good teams on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
With a defense that is currently the worst scoring defense
of any team in the NFL in the last fifty years,
you would have to expect it's got to be how
the offense goes. It's certainly a busy time around the
Cincinnati Bengals, never a dull moment. It's easiest way to
follow along with everything you got going on as your
coverage of the Bengals continues.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
We are locked and loaded. We are firing on all cylinders.
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We are there every single day keeping you up to date.
We'll see a burrow actually plays.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
In their own Let's go, John, Appreciate you man. We'll
talk again next week. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Thanks fellas.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
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Speaker 6 (16:07):
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Speaker 11 (16:27):
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Speaker 12 (16:30):
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
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Speaker 6 (17:14):
Oh my goodness in the world, I want to hear
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Speaker 13 (17:20):
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
Three, Oh my lord, that that is phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
We could pack up shop, head on home.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That is awesome.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Apparently, say get on back to the house.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well done.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
If the face of the franchise is one hundred percent healthy,
he's got to play.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But also, what about on sidekick after every score?
Speaker 6 (17:59):
We talked about the Yeah, the field a bit longer,
we talked about this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't hate it. I'm all for it.
Speaker 14 (18:05):
Zach Austen old man grumpy here, and I know I've
been on this past couple weeks of firing.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Did he call you, Zach? I think so?
Speaker 14 (18:13):
Taylor firing Tobin here and now that Joe Burrow will
more than likely start Sunday, Zach, Taylor's had six years
to protect the franchise quarterback and not once has he
chosen to do so. Another example of reckless disregard for
his franchise.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Quarterback.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I just find that to be false. Hasn't always worked,
but he certainly has tried to protect him. So there's
two different opinions on back to back talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, that's okay anyway.
Speaker 15 (18:50):
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Open to all ages eighteen and up.
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Speaker 2 (19:10):
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Speaker 6 (19:13):
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Speaker 2 (19:18):
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Speaker 6 (19:19):
Yeah, Bill Belichick, Yeah, at Jordan Hudson's adult cheerleading competiy.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it's something. That's a good way to describe it.
He's a rod or die. I guess it's Jeff.
Speaker 16 (19:32):
So I'm just curious if Joe Burrow starts this week,
do they abandon the running game and get blown out?
Like thirty five.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To seventeen might happen regardless, So.
Speaker 16 (19:43):
How do they address it moving forward? Tony, as far
as Scott Saderfield goes, if he loses out the next
two weeks and they get blown out in the bowl game,
he'd better be clenching onto his seat because it may
be a little bit hot.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think that he'll still be safe. I think we'll
hear a but I'm telling you right now, I hear it,
I hear it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I think we'll hear a sadderfield extensions. M he's safe
for good? Got him too a bowl game? Yeah, that's
all it takes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (20:17):
Last night I was watching on YouTube some old Vice
President dan Quayle speeches, and I was thinking, Man, that
guy looks and sounds just like Zach Taylor, very uninspiring.
And then I thought to myself, how pathetic is it
that I'm at a point in my life where I'm
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watching old dan Quayle speeches. I peeked back in nineteen
ninety three and it's been downhill ever since.
Speaker 18 (20:44):
Hey, should Dan Board wear.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
A two pey?
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Only if it's like a long haired two peg?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Like, first of all, bald is beautiful and Dan Dan
looks great as is, but it would be very funny
he had like hair down to his Yes, you put
the headset on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That would be a great look from Dan.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
We all know Joe is a Jordan level competitive well
known from time infinitum just seems like two games and
four days with the second game being in Baltimore seems
a bit of a stretch, at least to me. I
guess we're gonna find out on Sunday morning. Probably it
sounds like you ain't.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Kidding, I can find out.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I think that's fair. Hesitation back to back games like
that makes it.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's a valid point.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, the valid your resident.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Lord, Hey, lord, I got a start.
Speaker 19 (21:32):
Bench cut injury news that you are tired of hearing about. Okay,
the Joe Flacco injury news, the Joe Burrow injury news,
or the Trey Hendrick Hendrickson injury news.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm never tired of the Burrow, so I'll cut that.
I am most tired, I think at this point of
Trey Hendrickson, so I'll start him and then I'll sit flacough,
I agree out of box. You gotta moon from the ding. Yep,
my bad. Definitely got my wires crossed. Yep. You know
that's what happens when you turn fifty. You start to
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lose memory.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Boys, Ah, what do you do?
Speaker 20 (22:13):
Sorry to Hi?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Did he say fifty fifty? Bugger fifty telling me moon
Man's fifty?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yep? Damn yep, Tony that moonman.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I appreciate the optimism for UC basketball after Dayton beat
Marquette last night. I did look at their non conference schedule.
They have Georgetown Virginia in Florida State on there for
the next six weeks. If I were a UC fan,
I would route very, very hard for Dayton player basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Sure, I'm all for that fly a tj east Side.
Speaker 20 (22:49):
This is nothing but a diversionary tactic keeping the heat
off Taylor and Tobe in the midst of another typical
and epically bad Mike Brown season. Hey, let's talk about
Joe and hopefully keep her audience engaged. Let's stave off
absolute apathy. Everyone needs to stop sucking on the Hopian balloon.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
This season is over.
Speaker 20 (23:06):
He has had a few days of practice.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Why risk this? Give him at least another week?
Speaker 20 (23:11):
Who hasn't been young, inured and wanted to play before
they were truly ready.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
God speed, Joe, but slow your role all right?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I seem to remember your dad telling me a story
about when you were hurt and trying to play. Yeah,
like to going back and forth with the coaches and
all that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It was a lot. That's why I said, Thank God,
for Bob Man Jean a light in the midst At
the end of the day, I knew Bob had me
taken care of.
Speaker 21 (23:37):
Mister Tony Pack. They're doing that is your old family
American dreams. That's the road. Just when you say, I'm
so happy to hit you back, baby, then two weeks
she was gone with some hard times.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Here you are getting like a monkey. Do your thingg baby,
funk you like him? Let's go. This is Mike and Independence.
Talk Back MO.
Speaker 22 (24:07):
Talkback MO is not available today. We're gonna be speaking
with Talkback Tony. No, okay, I've just learned that talk
Back Tony has prior obligations. So we'll turn to the
ever reliable, undervalued Austin elm Or.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And we're late for a break.
Speaker 22 (24:26):
We'll come right back and talk with Austin Home on
the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It's a good ol Q, good job, thank you. I
think just.
Speaker 23 (24:34):
Gotta be a joke with the front office of the
rigs rep in the city out here in sunny hot
What up, body, So that's what happened to Elie huh
Nick kraut Man. Poor decision from the rest of the Bengals.
I don't know which one is worse. It's comical. You
see Kyle swarber lo Key want to say he want
to come home. We won't power in the park. That's
how it's supposed to be. Figure away, Bearcat's done, embarrasses.
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Make your free throws, get twelve points off of free
throws and take it from there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Master physical and now coach sat to see still hot,
you better feature Royer m.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Want power in the park. We would tell our most
powerful putters to lose weight.
Speaker 24 (25:09):
I swear emerging from semi retirement from the smoke field.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Foggy, hazy broom.
Speaker 24 (25:16):
I'm a grind of tape.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Boys.
Speaker 24 (25:17):
Don't think I found a solution to the defense. Why
don't they rally to the damn ball? Play after play? Hey,
just let him catch it. Oh there's another defender in
the area. They got it. I ain't got a hustle.
If you don't hustle, you don't play, You don't play
through to whistle. Go have a seat.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Hoop will he's been in the news lately.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Okay, Hey the taco bell Tony in Austin. I'm wid
with my Vrabels defense. Chase Brown might get more stuffed
than Austin's turkey this year for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
That's what I do worry about with the game on Sundays.
Their their run defense is really good. Yeah, Bengals haven't
run the ball well as we know for most of
the year. Oh boy, Joe get back their throat fifty times?
Oh boy, can you Claco or Burrow? We'll just let
Browning do it.
Speaker 19 (26:16):
Hey, guys, Marcus from the Groove, if Burrow plays and
looks like the Burrow from last year, does.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Your outlook on the season change? Because really, quarterback.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Isn't the issue, it's the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't think it changes. No, No, my mind doesn't change.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
Todyosai, Georgia Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
How about them Dayton Flyers last night?
Speaker 11 (26:42):
To date?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Marquette, what do you gotta say about that?
Speaker 13 (26:46):
Right?
Speaker 20 (26:46):
Anyway, Austin two and eighty one days counting, and it's
going to keep counting at about what fourteen, eleven, twelve
more days?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He's got that, Yeah, he's got no has been, but
he doesn't know how long till the game have First
of all, George is not a bright person.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Second of all, I'm just focused on on Wreckers and
I'll say, after that, I'll be focused on Michigan and
after that I'll be focused on Indiana.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'll say, very good job to go beat Marquette. Marquette
only gave up one hundred to Indiana and then got
beat by Maryland, who went to overtime last night with
Mount Saint Mary. But I agree, good win for Dayton,
good win.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Have you guys seen the spread in total for the
Louisville UC game tomorrow? Ifisode sprinkle, sprinkle the over.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Difference between the spread and the over under. Usually you
don't get that until the day of in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I've heard that there's tickets available there is You.
Speaker 18 (27:42):
Should definitely play that. It's like you close out the show.
That'd be a great way to end the show with that.
That very beautiful voice from that was gifted from above
from city Jesus. Anyways, Yeah, today is.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
He listening to Wolf Blitzer in the back?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
What was going on there?
Speaker 18 (28:04):
You should definitely play that as like you close out
the show. That'd be a great way to end the
show with that, that very beautiful voice from that was
gifted from above from baby Jesus.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Anyways, Yeah, today sounds like wolf Blitzer back there.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
I think we need to make some phone calls and
get Kevin and norder Kentucky a voiceover gig.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, great, I don't hate it.
Speaker 25 (28:34):
Great turbulence, Tony warm Wedge Austin, long time, no talkback.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And we got a big Cincinnati sports weekend coming up.
Speaker 25 (28:41):
And unfortunately I don't see us being favored in any
of these tilts. But a successful weekend to me, at
the very least, would be FC Cincinnati taking down the
Pink Messies at TIQUL moving on to the Eastern Conference
Finals because U see he's not taking down Louisville Friday
eating BYU on Saturday, and the Bengals sure as hell
aren't going to take care of the Pats on Sunday.
(29:02):
I don't care if Joe Burrow plays or not.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Wow, Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, Let's say
Miami beats Cincinnati. Let's say New England beats the Bengals
and the Bearcats go for two on the weekend. Let's
say we go winless. Is it worth it if? On
Sunday evening it's announced that the Reds have signed Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Sure I'll get that. He'll take that train. I'll take that. Okay,
all right, interesting that was our last one. I'll take it.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Oh wait a minute, looks much like uh vooch we
got one here at the buzzer Voucci.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Hey, guys, double diffended day that Cincinnati is getting an
arena football league. You think Balin a easy can start
at wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, Balin's a he's an athlete. Can I ask no?
Can I ask you a fantasy football question? Sure?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
This is all in all honesty. You know there's a
lead league that you left that we were in. I'm
ten and one.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
In that one. Wow, here's my questions for leaving. I
have Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford on my roster and
I need to win this week Josh Allen. Allen goes
tonight against the Texans, Stafford goes up against Tampa on
Sunday night. I would do Stafford really, even Josh Allen
coming off that performance last week.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
The front seven in Houston is nasty.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Wouldn't that mean that they're not going to run the
ball and he's going to throw the ball? Buddy?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Have you watched Texans this year? They destroy quarterbacks home
Thursday night prime time. I don't trust the bills yet
and also you know who Josh Allen did all that
to last.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Week Tampa Stafford has been really good.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We have a development from Bengals practice to get to
when we come back for football on the nat Let's
get to that with football on the nat I think
it's a relatively large development. And then when we break
from football in the Natty, we'll come back to finish
up the hour with a little Kyle Schwarber with Sag
Dennison still ahead centy three six.
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Sports Station. Hey, it's ma Legger. I'm not here today.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
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Speaker 6 (31:31):
Ooh, football in the Natti sounded like one of the
hits you took the Saints.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Welcome back, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station developments from
Bengals practice. What's happening right now, Tony.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
The Bengals are practicing at the practice for fields adjacent
to Paige And this from our guy.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Charlie Goldsmith Chuck Sizzle.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Joe Burrow is taking the snap from Ted Carris during
the pre practice center exchange work. Oh, Joe Flacco is
with backup Lucas Patrick.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh. I mean just I don't know that that means anything.
I mean, just Burrow out there healthy and in full
pads today is a good thing. Yep.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Means there's no setback from yesterday. He's taking the snaps
with Ted Carris. Now this is his football team and
he's the face of the franchise. I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
There was a I don't know if it's a misconception,
but there was this idea out there because Kevin Stefanski
said something last week about well, he was talking about
Schendor Sanders and he hasn't got first team reps and
people were like shocked by this, and it like peeled
back the onion really of how reps work during a practice.
And I don't remember who I was reading it from,
(32:55):
but essentially the breakdown is you really, when you factor
in Wednesday Thursday's practice as a starting quarterback with first
team reps, there are probably thirty reps to be had.
In team settings, the starting quarterback takes all of those
reps like once the week in this season happens. There
(33:16):
is no like, all right, first team's gonna get eight reps,
second team's gonna get four, and you just rotate like that.
The starting quarterback that week takes every single rep because
he needs every rep as much as possible.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I think this was the the Luke McCown post.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yes, yes, So people think, well, if he's a backup quarterback,
he should still be getting reps, and that's not how
it works. Peyton Manning in his last season of football,
was still taking every single rep in practice. It's needed,
it's important for multiple reasons. So this isn't a situation
(33:52):
where you know Joe Burrow is gonna take five snaps,
Flacco's gonna take five. They are gonna have to make
their decision of who is the guy and that guy
is going to get the snaps today, especially if it
is Flacco because he didn't practice yesterday. You can't run
the risk of giving Joe Burrow a bunch of snaps today.
Flacco needs them all. So if Joe's out there in
(34:13):
team today, Burrow, that tells me that he's starting on Sunday.
Does that make sense? Yes, it just wouldn't. Like there's
not enough reps to go around that you can mess
around and be like, all right, let's make sure Flacco
gets some as well. That's not how it works. There's
not enough reps to go around that I agree is
going to be significant.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I think what I've learned that I think is maybe
most surprising and people might genuinely be surprised about to know,
is there really aren't that many reps during that week
that you get as a starter. Nope, Which it's kind
of hard to believe, but it's the reality.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's two heavy workdays. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Josh
Luke McCown I found them. He essentially said, if you
take in team periods, team run periods, and then seven
on seven, you're talking about thirty to forty reps, full
(35:10):
speed reps of the actual game plan throughout the course
of the week. That's it. Starting quarterback has to have
all those So who gets those reps today? Especially since
Joe Burrow had them all yesterday. If it's not Flacco
getting them today, I would be hard pressed to believe
Flacco is going to start on Sunday. And we know
Jake Browning ain't starting on Sunday. What do you think
(35:31):
is going through Jake Browning probably collect the check and
move on at this point, I think it's worth noting
there's obviously a couple of roster spots still available. I
think either tomorrow or Saturday, more than likely Saturday, there'll
be a flurry of moves, especially if Burrow is activated.
(35:54):
I mean, you got to think Sean Clifford's still on
the practice squad. Could I don't know exactly what they
would do with Jake Browning unless he's the emergency third
quarterback on game day. If Burrow's healthy and activated.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
And if Dejon Anthony is activated and SICKI is activated, like,
there's a lot of roster I think moves still to
be made over the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, speaking of someone that's getting ready to collect the check,
that would be one free agent, Kyle Schwarber Schworbo. Swarbo
was in town last night. You know he's from Middletown, Ohio. Middletown, Ohio.
No kidding, they honored him last night. Seg Dennison went.
Seg got some awesome audio seggi from Kyle Schwarber. We'll
(36:41):
share that with you next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati
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I gotta have some fun tonight.
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Welcome back since three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.
Kegan Nickoson will join us in our number three. Wes
Miller will join us in our number three. Chad Brendlan
from Moager will join us in our number three. Quick
update Austin. Early indication from about an hour or so
(38:17):
ago are that they are already north of sixteen thousand,
seven hundred tickets sold for tomorrow night's game between Elder
and Saint X. Wow, that's awesome. That number is going
to continue rising. They are already almost approaching seventeen thousand
to watch Elder and Saint X.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
I've got some family coming down from Sydney.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Heard the game. Yeah, any chance? Pat Kelsey just like
five minutes into the game gets himself ejected and then
heads down the street. Probably not the worst idea catches
the Elder Panthers. I mean, maybe I think they're gonna
win comfortable. Maybe we'll see he probably Gelder's gonna win.
You think Elder's gonna win comfortable?
Speaker 6 (38:57):
No, I think Louisville is probably gonna win, So he
could maybe get out of there double dip get the
second half double dip get him on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Middletown's Kyle Schwarber came in town for an event Middletown
last night. They were honoring Kyle last night. Our own
SEG Dennison went and after the event they had a
chance to talk to Kyle Schwarber. And I appreciate our guys,
sag Dennison because he ain't afraid to ask the hard
hitting questions. No, he's not. Take a listen to what
(39:28):
Kyle Schwarber had to say last night.
Speaker 12 (39:30):
Oh, it's always great, you know. We whenever we're here,
it's always fun for us, right that. Uh, you know,
our kids, you know, grow up. You know, we got
our families here, mind my wife's family. Uh, we got
all of our we got all of our friends, we
all have kids the same age. It feels like it's uh,
(39:50):
you know, it's always fun for us to be here.
And like I said, this is a place that we
call home. And uh, you know, we we love it here.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, we we're going.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
To spend a lot of time here as a family
in the future.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
If the Reds showed any interest in during this free
agency offseason, what would that mean to you.
Speaker 12 (40:12):
I mean, like, you know, I think, uh, good old
Gordon wit Meyer was the one who who started this
frenzy at the All Star Game, but uh, you know
he asked the question kind of similar to that where
you know, I said the the you know, the kid
in me right that you know, I grew up going
to games there. I grew up sitting in the bleachers
and watching a lot of games, and uh, you know,
(40:35):
I think the kid would be you know, excited, right
of you have your hometown team, that's that's calling, so
you know, but also being in the profession and knowing
uh you know a little bit more of the ins
and outs, right, You're you're never going to uh not
be it open here, right, you always have to listen
(40:55):
and keep uh different options open and to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I know it's early in the process because you as
a free agent, but is there a possibility of you
coming here and playing for the Reds.
Speaker 12 (41:10):
That's a great question. I don't know, but if if
you know, if you're throwing the hypothetical out there, what
it would be like if that were to happen, you know,
I mean, I'm gonna give my all, just like I
do anyplace I am. You know, I I I try
to bury myself in my teammates, I try to bury
(41:31):
myself in the in your city, and you try to
just worry about all these other things that you know,
then you just go out there and do it. Your
mind just takes over in your mind plays right, But uh,
you know that's just I'll take it anywhere like I've been,
just always trying to be you know, be there for
you guys, to be there for your team, and also
(41:54):
trying to go out there and play at a very
high level.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are you hoping or anticipating maybe the Reds will make
an offer?
Speaker 12 (42:01):
Like I said, I don't know. I haven't even gotten
to really kind of sit down. I think this thing
kind of all just started, right, so, you know, the
qualifying offers stuff, all this got over with, so now
everyone kind of knows the expectations I think for a
lot of different free agents, and we'll see where the
(42:21):
road goes from there.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
All right, that's Kyle Schwarber speaking last night. Listen. The
guy has awesome things to say about the city. This
is his home. He talks about the kids and his
wife and how much time they spend here, and how
he grew up in the bleacher seats and what that
would mean. Listen, I think he said everything that one
(42:44):
could possibly say right when given those questions. Do I
think he would jump at the opportunity to be a
Cincinnati read Absolutely. Do I see the Reds making that
a possibility? I don't. Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 6 (42:57):
It's hard to believe that that could be a reality.
But listening to him talk about it, it doesn't seem
like he would be dismissive of the Reds. No, it
seems like he'd be open minded. You have the meeting,
and you know, I did an interview with Jeff Carr
a couple of weeks ago down the hall on WLW,
and I asked him what's like a realistic path to
(43:19):
making it happen? And he said it would be trading
somebody like Brady Singer to open up some of the
financial pathways. Kyle Schwarber like, Okay, I could see that.
I also understand that there are still a lot of
holes that need to be filled in the back end
of the bullpen. As of today, you don't really know
(43:40):
who your closer is going to be. I think the
assumption is that it's going to be Tony Santien, but
like that's going to be a major issue. I don't
know how if it matters how many home runs Kyle
Schwarber hits, if you can't prevent the other team from scoring.
Much like the Joe Burrow and the Bengals defense conversation, Yeah,
(44:00):
I would.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Like to know.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I would like to ask Nick Crawl this or anybody
from the Reds organization. They've done it in the past,
deferred money. They did it with Ken Griffey Jr. They
did it with Bronson Arroyo. I know that ultimately they
weren't a big fan of that. But I wonder is
deferred money and deferring it down the line away or
(44:23):
a path for more small market teams to be competitive.
And would Kyle Schwarber, knowing that he's on the back
nine of his major league career, be open to taking
a deal like that and deferring years down the line
if it makes sense, and if there is that a
(44:45):
way of taking a quote unquote hometown discount, or maybe
he's not taking that much of a discount, but he's
getting that money later on in life.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I just think it would be a disservice to at
least not reach out to Kyle and his representation and
meet and just say, is there any scenario where we
can make this work. Here's where we're at. We're trying
to understand where you're at and if if it works,
(45:14):
if it makes sense, let's do it. Yeah. Like that,
that's all at the very least, and we know the
Reds will do that. They'll at least kick the tires
on something and for what it's worth. Nick Kral said
last night on the Red Hot Stove League Show that
when they were at the GM meetings, they met with
every agent, they met with every team, like they did
their homework on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Yeah, which is good to hear. I don't know if
exactly what it means. Kyle Schwarber's agent is Casey Close
from Excel Sports Management, so thank god it's not Scott Boris.
But you know, Kral did at least make it seem
that they talked to every agent at the GM meetings.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
You know, what, do you have any idea what Kyle
Schwarbers war was last year? I don't haven't looked at it.
Kyle Scherer's war Winds Above replacement was four point seven.
What could this team have done last year with five
more wins. Yeah, even if it's at that spot right now,
five more wins to this team last year makes the
world of a difference. Go get him, man, I know
(46:16):
it's a pipe dream, Man, go get him. It would
be fun. I know we got Keegan Nickoson. That's not
a pipe dream. He joined us next second favorite Nickoson
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station to kickoff hour three.
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