November 24, 2025 • 46 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Ah right, let's uh, let's try to navigate this one today.
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Tony. Yeah, I don't know how anyone could could go
through the sports weekend that was locally here in Cincinnati
and not find a need for some comfort food at
some point over the weekend. What we're going to try
to do is sift through what may very well be
austin the worst Cincinnati sports weekend we've ever had.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I was asked this last night. My brother actually sent
me a message last night, and you know, he said,
it's it's one of those things that the games have
ended and I'm still struggling. I'm mad, I'm frustrated. What
do we do at this point? Is this the worst
Cincinnati sports weekend? And before we get those folks from
Xavier that want to say, well, wait a second, Joe
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Daniman had to point this out as well. I'm talking
about sports that were held here in the city of Cincinnati.
I will point out Xavier lost a very good game
to Georgia over the weekend on Friday night. They bounced
back as a pretty big underdog yesterday against West Virginian
won that game outright going away. So the Xavier Musketeers
are playing much better basketball, and they did hold it
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down for the city of Cincinnati by getting a win.
And I believe what was the Charleston Classic yesterday afternoon.
But locally, if we want to take away from the
awesomeness that was on display at pay Corps Stadium on
Friday night between Elder and st X and SAX storming
back and get an amazing win, if we want to
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take out the awesomeness of high school football at pay
Corpse Stadium with over what twenty two thousand people in attendance,
What a crappy local weekend in sports. So I'm looking
for another weekend in your memory that could top what
this weekend was. You know, I've had bad weekends. I've
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watched UC blow a twenty two point lead to Nevada,
and then I watched Xavier the game after blow a
lead and their NCAA tournament hopes both ended in the
NCAA Tournament on the same night. That was pretty terrible.
I've watched the Jeremy Hill fumble against the Pittsburgh Steelers
and that was terrible. But I'm talking about everything together.
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UC falls to Louisville at Heritage Bank Arena on Friday night.
UC football falls to BYU and will outline all of
the reasons why. But they fall to BYU, essentially ending
any hopes they had at a Big twelve Championship game appearance.
They did so with three missed field goals, a failed
fourth and one from inside the five yard line. They
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lined up all sides on a fourth and three when
the opponent was punting, They gave up a second nineteen
with general ease. They fumbled inside I believe the thirty
yard line going in against BYU. Brendan Soarsby threw a
very poor interception. They the epitome of shooting themselves in
the foot. After an awesome build up to the game,
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Big noon kickoff was fun, the atmosphere at Nippert Stadium
was unbelievable. But it all resulted in a loss. And
then you turn the page to Sunday. Yes, the Bengals
the Patriots, and I know there are some out there
that'll say, man, they fought, they battled at least, and
they did. We'll dive into the Bengals game specifically. They
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did fight defensively, multiple fourth down stops, they forced a
field goal, they got to turnover run downs, Genostone had
to pick six. There are good things to talk about,
but at the end, it's the Bengals coming up short
again and now a three to eight record on the season,
and then of course to finish thing off. And I
think maybe one of the more disappointing finishes of the
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weekend was that last night of FC Cincinnati. And I
think more disappointing than anything because if you asked people
last Thursday or last Friday afternoon, you said, man, big
weekend in Cincinnati sports. Who who's gonna be the torch bearer?
Who's going to carry the light for the city of Cincinnati,
A lot of people would have said FC Cincinnati. And
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FC Cincinnati was obliterated at TQL Stadium four nil the
NL MESSI got things started in the nineteenth minute with
a header and from there the onslaught was on three
second half goals from Miami. They pull away and end
the season of FC Cincinnati. Another disappointing end to a
season for FC Cincinnati. So I ask you today, was
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it the worst local sports weekend in your memory? And
if not, can you give me other options? And you
give me other reasons? How about that Austin. We start
Thanksgiving week by asking people to relive their worst sports
weekend here in Cincinnati. Wow, we got a lot to
be thankful for, we do. I don't know that we
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have a lot to be thankful for sportswatch. I don't
know if we're necessarily in that boat. You know, the
first thing I thought of when you said that was
twenty twelve when the Reds lost to the Giants in
the NLDS. That happened on a Thursday. And then that
Sunday the Bengals gave up twenty one fourth quarter points
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to the windless Browns and lost in Cleveland. But those
are just the two that I remember from twenty twelve.
I can't imagine there's been a worse weekend than this
when you consider like the national stage that the Bearcats
were on on big noon kickoff, and you know, I
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got to watch a pretty decent out of that, and gosh,
the University of Cincinnati looked awesome, crowd was awesome, energy, hype,
all of it leading up to that game, and a
chance to really take what I think was a step
forward if they had been able to beat BYU. And
then you know that obviously didn't go that way. They
get blown out really by f c SINCINNTI getting blown
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out by MESSI and uh or I guess we're just
I'm just gonna call them inter MESSI. Yep, they're not Miami,
they're inter Messy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Uh. It's just yeah, I don't know that it gets
any worse than that now. I mean from a national standpoint,
the University of Cincinnati getting criticized because of the chance
by the UC students about b YU and that is
an added layer to this whole thing that's not not
going away at least for the next couple of a
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couple of days. So yeah, it's just a lot of
layers to it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it is. It's a city situation, and you mentioned
those chants. It's something that has already been addressed by
the athletic director John Cunningham at the University of Cincinnati.
He just released this just a few minutes ago on
behalf of the University of Cincinnati and Bearcat Athletics. I
want to serely apologize to the BYU community. In the
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, the use
of offensive or religiously derogatory language by a group of
fans during Saturday's game was unacceptable and does not reflect
our values. We remain committed to create an environment at
Nippert Stadium where every visiting team and that supporters are
treated with dignity and respect. And I will say this often.
I've gone to a lot of UC football games, and
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for the most part, outside of that, the atmosphere was phenomenal.
And I will give credit to BYU fans Austin because
I have very rarely seen a opposing fan base travel
in which the numbers BYU brought to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it's not like a drive, right, you gotta fly
yeah to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Admittedly, you know, I was at a wedding this weekend,
so I didn't get to see any sports really on
Saturday past twelve o'clock, so I didn't get to see much.
But everything I read in the clips, it was just
just an insane amount of people.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
They filled their fans filled the soccer stadium for a tailcate,
no kidding, and like not only like philed it, they
had like BYU inflatables tense. I've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
They traveled well. Again, it was an awesome environment. A
tough loss for UC and we'll talk more about that
loss as we get along. It was also a very
unique weekend in the National Football League. The Giants have
made another coaching change. Shane Bowen is out their defensive
coordinator after a collapse late against the Detroit Lions. They
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ruined the brilliance Austin of Jamis Winston. They ruined more
Jamis Winston brilliance magic. Also, get that cannon ready again.
The offensive coordinator of the Las Vegas Raiders, Chip Kelly
gone gone after a twenty four to ten loss to
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the Cleveland Browns. Yes, Austin, those Cleveland Browns who started
Shador Sanders and Shador didn't actually look too bad.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, the Bengals and the Browns have the same record, yep, both.
Let that sink in three and eight. Let that sink.
Miles Garrett has eighteen sacks.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let that sink in.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The Browns as a team yesterday against the Raiders had
ten sacks. Miles You might understand this, Tony. There's six
games left in the season. Yes, so Miles is almost
certainly going to destroy the single season record I believe
still held by Michael Strahan. Of twenty two sacks. Yeah,
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and I'm sure he would love to get it in
sixteen games. He might get out of seventeen, he might
get to thirty. He's had fourteen sacks in the last
five games alone. Yep. I really think you can make
the argument that Miles Garrett is the best player. Yeah,
in the National Football League. I agree. You know, you
talk all the time about the goat debate. Who are
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we watching now? That's an all time great. I mean
I would have a hard time thinking otherwise. I mean, yes,
Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, elite edge rushers, Hall of famers.
I don't know that there's ever been one better than
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It was the day in the NFL in which some
teams flex their muscles. You want to talk about flex
and what about the Rams last night? I was impressive. Now,
Baker Mayfield, you hate to see it. Left shoulder injuries,
gett an MRI today. You hope for the best. It
wouldn't matter if Baker was healthy or not last night.
Matthew Stafford is playing at an MVP level right now.
He's the MVP of the National Football League, I believe. Now,
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thirty touchdowns and two interceptions. That's pretty good. They flexed
their muscles. Yesterday. The Baltimore Ravens, although sloppy, won their
fifth straight game, and it also was a day of
some meltdowns for teams. The Giants blow a lead to
the Lions. Credit to the Lions for coming back and
winning that one a lot on the strength of Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
By the way, those Giants, congratulations to them, not only
for you know, firing Shane Bowen. The Giants are the
first team officially eliminated from playoff contention. Okay, the Giants
are two to ten, but they are officially eliminated. That
means Tony that the Tennessee Titans at one in ten
are technically mathematically still alive.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We'll talk about teams still being alive today as well.
The Indianapolis Colts melt down in the fourth quarter against
the Chiefs, and again give credit to the Chiefs. They
snapped their skid. It was pretty much a must win.
They found away in overtime to beat the Indianapolis Colts.
The Jaguars beat the Cardinals in overtime. The Cowboys faced
a twenty one to nothing deficit at one point against
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the Eagles. They come all the way back to win
it twenty five war to twenty one. It was madness
across the National Football League yesterday and into last night.
The Bears moved to eight and three with the win
over the Pittsburgh Steelers, meaning the Ravens move into a
tie for first in the AFC North against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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And Week twelve will come to an end tonight as
the six and five Carolina Panthers take on these seven
and four San Francisco forty nine ers. Also in college football,
not a ton of marquee games happening over the weekend.
In Week thirteen, the college football slay Ohio State continued
their dominance over Rutgers. The SEC teams that scheduled by
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weeks all dominated Oregon. I thought had an impressive win
over USC. Lincoln Riley has won nothing. By the way,
at USC Oklahoma a big win. What does Lincoln Riley
won at all? That's also a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's also a good point. That is one of the.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Most over hyped, overrated, nonsensical anything's every Lincoln Riley has
won nothing. Oh he I mean he had some Heisman
Trophy winners at Oklahoma. Okay, cool. What did he win? Yeah,
he's Brian Kelly. Also, we got to make fun of that. Yeah,
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if you want, and I'm not going to speak for
you because I know you and BK are tight. If
you want any indication of Brian Kelly and the man
that he is, Yeah, look at the reflection of him
and his son. Yeah, the way that his son was
acting on senior day for LSU and his son, by
the way, he can't sniff the field. He's a terrible player.
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He should He's never If his dad wasn't the coach,
he'd never be at LSU. He'd be selling insurance somewhere.
Not that there's anything wrong with them, but he wouldn't
be playing college football.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah. I don't know if I've ever the.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Way that he acted was. It was just gross.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Now, as far as I know, BK still in line
to get fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As he should keep fighting for it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Brother, So shout out to Brian Kelly's son who put
BK on his undershirt and kept saying on camera, long
live BK. Free, my boy, Free, my boy, free, my boy,
my boy. I have a great relationship with my father.
I don't think i've ever related. I've ever referred to
my father as my boy, free my boy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
How early are my Did you start calling your parents
by my first names?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Not until I was probably out of college.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
See, I that was the thing that I did early on.
My parents did not like that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, free my boy. One, that's your father.
Two he's not imprisoned.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, no, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Waiting to collect fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
He did say that that he wanted his dad to
join him, yeah, for senior Day, and Lsu said no,
which I think that's kind of weak by Lsu. Sure, However,
you have to understand if Brian Kelly walks out on
to that field, oh, with his son, it's not a
good look for anybody. He would be booed mercilessly. It
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would it would take away from his son's actual You just.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Use the word merciless, mercifully, mercilessly, mercilessly.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Is that what happened with Notre Dame in Syracuse? How
about that game?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What happened in that game?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Notre Dame led after one thirty five nothing, Notre Dame
led at halftime forty nine nothing, Notre Dame one seventy
to seven. What has happened to Syracuse. Oklahoma did get
a big win Utah storms back in the forth they
beat Kansas State fifty one to forty seven, and Diego
Pavia with THEO Vaughn walking with his mom a senior day.
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I don't know what's going on there. He counted for
six touchdowns in a while to a forty five seventeen
win over Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I don't think there was a lot of brain cells
walking onto that field.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Pittsburgh got a big win over Georgia Tech, Texas rolled Tennessee,
rolled Wisconsin. Man Luke Fickle without the vest two and one.
Now another top twenty five win.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Good for him, man, good for him.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And Michigan beat Maryland, which sets up where I want
to go with this. Now it's now the week here Austin.
Are we done with the letter? Are we done with
the letter? Like Mark is waiting on hold? Do we
have to use like it's a arc this week? Well,
let me ask you on this.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
If you go to my Twitter page right now for
the last I can't even remember how long, probably since
two thousand and nine, since I've been on this website,
I have taken all the m's out, taking the m
out of my name, out of my bio everywhere that
I am removed today. But if you look at it
right now, it's it's not removed.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And the reason it's not is Ohio State hasn't earned that.
It's not a rivalry right now, Okay, Michigan is kind
of kicked or you know what. Okay, and until you
earn the right to like make it a rivalry again,
why should I I feel that. I don't know if
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I'm broken or what. But I don't feel anything this week.
There's kind of like this little bit of dread and nervousness,
but it's very minuscule compared to you know, years ago.
I shouldn't stop thinking about this game, sure from the
moment that the game on Saturday ended. And I don't
know if I'm just broken. I don't know what's going on.
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I don't feel the same energy, fervor, excitement, passion about
this rivalry as I did before. I truly think something
inside of me was broken last year. Wow. And I
don't know how to repair it. Gosh. I hate that,
and it does kind of suck for the whole thought
of the rivalry and what makes rivalries great.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely real quick out. It's nice to go up there
and win the game this weekend. It's not the it's
the it's my boy wake up. You see is going
to play a three thirty game at TCU on Saturday.
Locally College Hoop Xavier back in action on Friday as
well against Texas A and M Corpus. Chris Christy and
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the Bearcats try to get back to their winning ways
against the New Jersey Institute of Technology tonight and then
against the EMUs of Eastern Michigan tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I feel about the same way about Ohio State Michigan
as you probably feel about the New Jersey Institute of
Technology Tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You're like, yeah, I expect to win. I want to win,
but yeah, it's probably not going to be as easy
as I'd like it to be.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm feeling a little dead in thought as well today.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeh, we all feel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
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Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right, let's dive in here to a little football
in the NATI, shall we, Austin, Let's do it as
much as you know, maybe some people might just be
over it. At this point, We're going to continue to
push on. The Bengals lose yesterday to the New England
Patriots in what was at times a competitive game at
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pay Corp Stadium. The Bengals jumped out to actually a
tend to nothing lead in this one before Hunter Henry, Yes,
Hunter Henry and the New England Patriots got going a
little bit. It was, I thought, Austin a game that
obviously felt weird going in because of the Joe Burrow
lead in, and then he was not going to be used,
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and he didn't have Jamar Chase, and at the core
of it all, before the game even started, I thought
we officially said goodbye and saw the end of the
Jermaine Burton air in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Oh yeah, I mean, I think that writing's been on
the wall for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Jermaine Burton not active, and that goes to further hurt them.
Late in the game, t Higgins left due to a
pretty nasty concussion, so they were very shorthanded yesterday. Joe Flacco,
who I already thought was compromised, dealt with a little
bit of a finger issue as well. Yesterday. It was
just it was not going to be an easy game
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going in. I think everyone around this fan base knew that.
But they did go up ten to nothing before ultimately
going down twenty three to thirteen. But I thought there
were positives on the defensive side of the ball. We
have been asking for this team to show some fight,
into show effort. I thought Al Golden at times yesterday
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Austin kind of just let the play empty out, but
he played more aggressive with some of his calls. Geno
Stone had a pick six, Like at that point, I'm like,
maybe this is the day because Genostone just did that.
Genostone got a pick six, They got multiple short yardage stops,
forcing a turnover on downs. They forced another field goal
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late by New England that allowed them to stay in
the game because of their fourth down stops. Yes, the
linebacking play is questionable. Yes, they couldn't cover Hunter Henry
who torched him for one hundred and fifteen yards, as
well as Austin Hooper who had a nice day as well.
But I thought, all in all, for an MVP season
he's having, Drake May was okay twenty two to thirty five.
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Trevon Henderson didn't crush them in the running game. It
was unfortunately a day where they just couldn't play the
complimentary football because while the defense did get some stops,
the offense struggled in a mighty way. The offense went
three for thirteen on third down. I do think it
was a positive to get some positivity going in the
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running game. Chase Brown ran it for five six a carry,
nineteen carries for one oh seven. Joe Flacco was only
sacked once. So in a season Austin where it's been
very easy to pick apart a lot of the bad,
I wanted to try today at least to find some good.
I think the offensive line has improved vastly and I
thought Chase Brown was impressive yesterday. Outside of that, Joe
Flacco was not good. That's a game probably yesterday where
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if Joe Burrow plays, I think the Bengals win that game.
And I thought there was a blatant lack of aggressiveness
from the head coach Zach Taylor on many short yarded
situations yesterday in which I thought the Bengals could have
went for the fourth down. They had a fourth and
four on the thirty seven, They had a fourth and
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four again on the thirty seven. They had a fourth
and one from the forty five yard line, which they
ultimately punted and Ryan Rico punted that ball into the
end zone. You're three and seven. You're playing without Jamar Chase,
You're playing without Joe Burrow, you're playing without Trey Hendrickson.
Why not just empty the clip? Why not just go
for it?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It felt like he was coaching scared, yep, And there's
no reason for that. I don't know if he's just
trying to preserve the idea that you Burrow's gonna come
back and maybe they can go on a run. But
you're going nowhere if you don't win that game and
beating a team like New England with those guys out
requires aggression and sometimes it requires stepping over that line
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from aggressive to reckless. And Zach never went past the
aggressive line. And there were multiple times where it felt
like they had some positive momentum running the ball and
he would go away from that mean, most notably that
sequence where it was a third and one and then
a fourth and one, Chase Brown averaging five and a
half almost six yards per carry as a whole, the
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team averaging over five yards per carry, and instead of
running the ball and keeping the drive alive on third
and one, Zach Taylor elects to pass Flacco, goes deep
down the field, it's incomplete, and then instead of going
for it on that fourth and one, they allow for
a delay of game penalty and punt the football away
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with about thirteen minutes left to go and down by
a score. I thought that was coaching scared from Zach Taylor.
I thought that was a lack of feel from Zach Taylor.
And it's become way too often of a problem. Zach
Taylor way too frequently kicks the ball away or punts
it back to the other team when he should be
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going for it on fourth downs, it has become an
unfortunate part of the Zach Taylor issue, and there are
plenty of issues. It's getting the play call in on time. Yeah,
they took one on purpose yesterday, But the Bengals, do
you know, lead the National Football League and delay of
game penalties. We've talked about them burning timeouts that are
pointless in the past. The operation is not clean, the
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feel is not there, and Zach Taylor, I thought coach
scared and there's you're not going to win without your
best players. If you're coaching like that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
There's a if you follow along with just the world
of analytics. The analytics on that play alone are strong
recommendation to go for it. So even analytically, that is
a situation where you want to go for it. I
don't quite understand, and I guess for me, Austin, the
biggest takeaway I had and you nailed it on a
day where you ran the ball for five point two
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yards per carry. Joe Flacco was clearly compromised and has
been compromised. You still asked him to throw at thirty
seven times in a game where you weren't trailing by
a large margin at all. Really like it wasn't like
you were three scores down and had to panic in
a band. In the running game, you let it ten
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to nothing at halftime, it was seventeen thirteen. You're still alive.
Going into the fourth quarter it was twenty to three thirteen.
You're still more than alive. And yet Joe Flacco throw
it thirty seven times. That doesn't make sense from an
offensive standpoint, and I thought that was a miss for
the Cincinnati backus.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And especially when you have a quarterback that you know
is compromised, yep, and you don't have Jamar Chase there
for him to throw the ball to. I mean, you
make the point, if they have Burrow, they win that game.
I think you could say even without Burrow, if they
have chased, maybe they win that game. That's how close
it was. And in those moments, in those types of games,
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you cannot, in my opinion, put it on your defense
to keep you in the game. And yes, the defense
has turned things around to an extent. I think they've
tackled better. I think they've defended the run better. They're
still atrocious on third downs and especially third and longs.
They just give up. It doesn't matter what it is,
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it could be third and seventy five. They'll find a
way to give it up. But there are at least
signs of improvement. And I hope that Zach Taylor wasn't
fooled by that into this, you know, false sense of
security in belief in his defense and just a rough day.
I mean, even even when healthy, you kind of need
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everything to go perfect for the Bengals just because of
the way the roster is constructed. And if you don't
play complimentary football and you don't have a head coach
that understands the importance of a specific moment or the
analytics or the feel or what you're doing well, or
the momentum. We've talked about momentum before, We've debated about
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momentum before. I believe fully in momentum, and a coach
that doesn't understand that is a coach that gives you
less of a chance to win. And that's an issue.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It now opens up what will be conversations this week
Austin about meaningless wins, first draft positioning with six games
to play, it'll bring up a conversation this week about
Joe Burrow and do you play Joe Burrow on Thursday
Night when you're playing out a string of games. I
know mathematically there's still a chance it is the Ravens
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on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, Ravens installed already as a
seven and a half point favor. But those are all
discussions now that will happen going forward because of another
Bengal loss where quote they just didn't make the plays
they needed to make, in a quote that I've heard
far too many times after a Cincinnati Bengals loss. Let's
take a break. Let's hear from you next five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
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Speaker 4 (29:43):
There have been three attempts in franchise history of sixty plus.
Moneymack missed from sixty seven, Doug Telfree missed from sixty three.
Shane Graham missed from sixty two. This will be a
sixty three yard try as Evan McPherson tries to join
the club of NFL kickers who have made kicks from
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beyond sixty yards. Ryan Rico on the Bengals logo waiting
for the snap from Will Wagner. The staff is good.
Here comes the kick. Loft it high into the air
bag over end kick.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yes good, nice, haven't met. Pherson mates Bengals history with
a sixty three yard field goal, four yards longer than
the previous longest kick that he shared with Cade York
and Cincinnati scores at the gun in the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
To pull within four. How about that? That just goes
to show Austin the difference of having the actual kicking
ball in the game makes man those it a couple
of weeks ago. He was short from like what fifty two?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I believe it was fifty four fifty four either way,
well within his range.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
As you can tell, they got the kicking ball right.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I was trying to think, what's my favorite moment of
this Bengals season. I was a hit because you know
the what was it, nine plays in a row with
gold to go yesterday, the Bengals defense made a stand.
I was thinking about that. I was thinking about Evan McPherson,
and then I remember, I think my favorite part was
being at lambeau Field and watching Evan McPherson break the
NFL record but it didn't count because that's kind of
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like the epitome of the Bengals season. By the way,
you heard Dan in that call mention Cade York. You
know Kate York is among a couple of different kickers
getting a tryout for the New Orleans Saints today. Wow,
do you know who one of the other kickers is?
Justin Tucker? Justin Tucker getting a try out with the
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Saints as well, alongside Bengals legend Kady York.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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phone calls. What's up, Gunner?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Hey, Yeah, we're doing to the Happy Monday guys. First thing,
I just just got to give a quick shout out
to my dad to his birthday this week. Happy Birthday Mark.
Listen over in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Hunter, have you ever called your dad your boy.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Boy? Did I just call him that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, that's what That's what Brian kelly Son was calling him.
So I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I did see that.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I did see that. Well, maybe because my dad and
I have such an infinity for Brian kelly As and
Sandy Bear Captain. I think the holiday is really good,
just his birthday week. We're big fans of your guys show.
Give us something to you know, stay in touch about
constantly even we live you know, different different cities from
each other. So I appreciate you guys as well. And
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before I get to the bangals, I got to say often,
as a lifelong Buckeye, I don't understand the front running.
I know we've lost the last couple of years, but
were you taking the ant out of your Twitter profile
when we were winning for twenty plus years in a row.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
He was no gun I have a standard gunner, and
it's not being upheld at the moment by the by
the current regime at the Ohio State University. When it
comes to that game specifically.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
I get it I get it. I'm I'm I've got
some weird superstitions as well. But I think we get
done this Saturday quickly. On the Bangalas, you guys hit
on most of it already. That that fourth and one call,
I mean, if that just isn't a microcosm of Zach
Taylor as the head coach of Sincannai bangles just coaching
to lose, coaching scared. I don't understand what you're doing.
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I mean, you're you're three and seven, You're not six
and five. Right, we don't have this great defense that's
been stopping people all year. It was I had to
put my mortgage. I had to put my mortgage on
the on the Patriot schooling there and score and field
goal or a touchdown. But you guys hit on that.
I just I can't see this guy as the coach anymore.
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I've been that way a few years. Something's got to change.
Something's got a you know, heads of guy to turn.
They've got to get him out of here. And I'll
leave you with this last thing. You know, I thought
the offensive play calling in the first half was really creative. Right,
we're missing guys. Black was a little hurt a lot
of motion, a lot of creative stuff, a lot of
running the football. Didn't see that in the second half.
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I don't know. I just you know, you're at a
loss for words when you see that kind of stuff
with him, and it's it's week over week, season overseas,
season overseason with him. So I'll leave you with that. Guys,
have a happy, happy holiday, spend time with your family,
and look forward to hearing from you when we get back.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Gunnar, thank you for the call, man, and happy birthday
to your father. We appreciate that. How about that at
the Gunner, It is true, though, you know you've had
for the season the worst statistical defense in the history
of the NFL. YEP, You're not gonna win games with
field goals. You're not gonna win games with field position.
You're also playing at a three and seven mark. Just
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be aggressive, and you've ran the ball for all five
yards of carry, Go for it and make a statement.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And Flacco was not good, correct, he wasn't good last week,
He's not good this week. I mean, the guy barely
took any reps. You don't know how many chances you're
gonna get. Yeah, go make the most of it. I
just I can't. I can't wrap my head around it
at all.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, I am one with you. What's up, Mike? How
are you?
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Guys? Hey Donnard, that was a good call.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Brother.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I never heard you on air before, but I thought
that was a very very pogent. Yeah. I like he
was very organized and made a lot of sense. My dad,
who died when he was sixty three, his birthday is tomorrow,
and so I always commemorate that he was a Cincinnati
firefighter for a long time. Yeah, the smoke inhalation ended
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up killing him from the for his heart and stuff.
But anyway, my dad's birthday, he would have been ninety
nine years old. Wow. Wow, Taylor's gotta go, guys. I mean,
come on, let's quit crapping around here. I don't know
what these guys are thinking about, but I will say
Jase is doing so well running the ball, and the
old line is getting better than the run, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Really? They were doing everything you wanted to from an
offensive line. Yesterday. They gave up one sack and you
were running the ball for over five yards of carry
and you go away from it. I just, for the
life of me, I can't understand it and you go
away from it without Joe Burrow and without Jamar chasing
the game as well. Why you're passing the ball there
if you're not setting up to go for it and
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run the ball and fourth down I'll never understand.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
And then you get your boy Higgins dinged up. Yep.
I mean that's a big price to pay on top
everything else. But let's just say it right now, the
Rams categorically are the best team in the NFL right now.
I don't know how they will be, but for now
they are the best team. I mean, they smacked a
snot out of Tampa yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, without a doubt they You cannot go against it
right now. That was one of the most impressive football
games I've watched from start to finish all year.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
And in less Sneid, theyre GM the combination of Sneid
and McVeigh. They've surpassed Andy Reid now and they are
or whoever his GM is in my opinion, because they
drafted Verse and Fisk Brandon Fisk both out of FSU
last year on the same defensive line, and then they
come up with Forbes. I don't even know where they
pulled him out of but that guy can play some
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serious cornerback, can't he.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
There's a first round pick of the Washington Commanders a
couple of years ago, and they cut bait with him,
and I remember we had conversations on this show about
the Bengals go after him. Yep, and you know he
is really really turned it around in Los Angeles.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
Yeah, you guys did say that. Well, you guys are clairvoyant. Man.
That's pretty good. That's really pretty damn good. You know,
my favorite party yesterday, I have to admit, for the
first time I didn't listen to Dan Horden laughed, Shame
on me. But when I found out Marvin was calling
the game because I picked him up on a game
earlier in the year, and I loved listening to Marvin sure,
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and because he has so much knowledge and the play
by play guy was great because it was a network thing.
I was on the radio and Marvin two times he
got so irritated with the Bengals. It was because, you know,
he's kind of a monotone guy, but he actually had
some vim and vigor in his in his speech pattern
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during his comments on two issues. One was towards the
end of the game instead of calling a time out.
He goes, why guys rushed to the ball, rush to
the ball and didn't clock it or make them play
or something, but don't use your last time out. That
just pissed him off. And then then he said the
thing that really just got his goat, and he said,
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if I was a coach, this would never have happened.
The DB's and the safeties don't turn their heads around,
and that is what's killing this secondary. Yeah, all you
guys agree.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, all valid, All valid. They were penalized as well,
six times for sixty five yards yesterday. So it just
they they don't do it. It's it's almost a similar
conversation I can have about the Bearcats as well. They
just they don't do the small things that teams with
a small margin of ara have to get done.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
So you got yeah, I mean not even having ever
been a d bat DD, but I how can you
play somebody if you don't have some idea where the
ball is?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
No, it's fair.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, it's tough, and it's it's a thing that's talked
about lot when it comes to evaluating the talent or
scouting the talent of some of these young defensive backs
is their ball skills, their ability to track the ball,
they're able to find it in the air, to go
after it, to you know, get their hand in front
of it. I've said for a couple of years now,
I don't know that that's a very well coached unit.
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And I was surprised that Charles Burk's and Jordan Kovacs
stuck around. They were here in the Luanna Rumo era
for the last couple of years and they're still here
with Al Golden and that group really hasn't taken strides
forward at all. I mean, DJ Turner maybe is the exception,
and even then teams are starting to throw away from him,
so we don't see him as much. But I mean
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Cam Taylor Britt that hasn't worked, Dax Hill that hasn't worked,
Jordan Battle hasn't worked, Genostone hasn't worked. I mean, there's
a long list of cornerbacks that just haven't worked out here,
and safeties for.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
That well, I appreciate you. It's fining that to me. Awesome,
give me a historical back. But you know, okay, so
if you take your eye off the ball for a
second as a DD to find the ball, you can still.
Usually those guys are pretty fast, right, they can catch
up the stride or too. Maybe that they lost to
the guy right, But I just don't know how you
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played that position without telling where the ball is.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Thanks guys, I appreciate it, and Tony, you could correct
me if I'm wrong here. But I think a lot
of times now guys are taught to watch the eyes
of the hands of the receiver. That's why receivers you
hear them often talk about late hands.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
They don't want to show where the ball is or
where it's going until the very last second. I think
the best in the NFL at this is Devonte Adams.
He showed that last night, that one where he had
half a step on a guy yep, and waited as
long as he could, and you see the defenders watching
his hands and puts his hand out there as soon
as DeVante starts to move his hands, but it was
too late. Like that is you know, the way they're
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taught these days, especially if you get beat, find their hands,
find their eyes.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
One of the sobering thoughts I had last night watching them,
who are now ahead of the Eagles as Super Bowl favorites.
One of the things. I thought. I went back to
the Super Bowl Loston, and I thought, and I mentioned
this to Mo yesterday, if you're walking out of that
Super Bowl and you're thinking, Okay, five years from now,
four years from now, the Bengals may have lost tonight,
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but they're going to be in better shape than the Rams,
because at that time, do you remember, the Rams had
seemingly gone all in. They were all in for a title,
They had no draft picks, they were paying guys a
lot of money. Aaron Donald has since retired, and yet
as we sit here on November twenty fourth, the Rams
are right back in it and the Bengals, albeit with
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Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, are nowhere near getting back
to that level Ram. It is sobering that they have
run circles around the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Hit on the late round draft picks that they've had, yep.
And they've also done a terrific job with undrafted free agents.
That's been a huge part of their success. Like they've
they've supplemented the roster a little bit with free agents,
and you know, every team does very specific role player
type of guys. But they've hit, but they've hit on
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late round picks that have turned into depth pieces that
have turned into development pieces, and they've kind of hit
that cycle over and over again, and they've hit on
undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Now, I will say this, the Bengals do have a
history of at least being able to have some undrafted
free agents and success. I mean, Vontes Berfect is no
better example than that. And I think we've seen a
little bit of that, but not nearly as much as
there needs to be.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And they just play like there was The point was
made last night, like everyone that dresses for the Rams
is expected to play a big role in the game.
They rotate guys in, they give you a bunch of
different looks. And I've said it a thousand times. Their
personnel just matches their scheme and what they want to do.
With Sean McVay, we'll take a break. We wrap up
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our number one. When we get back, we'll get down
number two. We'll open it up for more phone calls.
We got more on the Bengals. We got to talk
about the Bearcats as well. Today the Monday Midday Quarterback
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WC Welcome back Monday
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these losses weren't as hard Austin when the Bearcats had
won their seven games in a row because you just
were able to talk about a win for the Bearcats.
Now the Bearcats have lost three games in a row
that are underdogs on the road at TCU. Unfortunately, going
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to take a few minutes when we get back to
talk about another failed opportunity in Clifton on Saturday. We'll
do that when we get back.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We've got more.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Nip and night was so cool.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That was cool, though.
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Tony. Yeah, I don't know how anyone could could go
through the sports weekend that was locally here in Cincinnati
and not find a need for some comfort food at
some point over the weekend. What we're going to try
to do is sift through what may very well be
austin the worst Cincinnati sports weekend we've ever had.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I was asked this last night. My brother actually sent
me a message last night, and you know, he said,
it's it's one of those things that the games have
ended and I'm still struggling. I'm mad, I'm frustrated. What
do we do at this point? Is this the worst
Cincinnati sports weekend? And before we get those folks from
Xavier that want to say, well, wait a second, Joe
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Daniman had to point this out as well. I'm talking
about sports that were held here in the city of Cincinnati.
I will point out Xavier lost a very good game
to Georgia over the weekend on Friday night. They bounced
back as a pretty big underdog yesterday against West Virginian
won that game outright going away. So the Xavier Musketeers
are playing much better basketball, and they did hold it
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down for the city of Cincinnati by getting a win.
And I believe what was the Charleston Classic yesterday afternoon.
But locally, if we want to take away from the
awesomeness that was on display at pay Corps Stadium on
Friday night between Elder and st X and SAX storming
back and get an amazing win, if we want to
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take out the awesomeness of high school football at pay
Corpse Stadium with over what twenty two thousand people in attendance,
What a crappy local weekend in sports. So I'm looking
for another weekend in your memory that could top what
this weekend was. You know, I've had bad weekends. I've
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watched UC blow a twenty two point lead to Nevada,
and then I watched Xavier the game after blow a
lead and their NCAA tournament hopes both ended in the
NCAA Tournament on the same night. That was pretty terrible.
I've watched the Jeremy Hill fumble against the Pittsburgh Steelers
and that was terrible. But I'm talking about everything together.
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UC falls to Louisville at Heritage Bank Arena on Friday night.
UC football falls to BYU and will outline all of
the reasons why. But they fall to BYU, essentially ending
any hopes they had at a Big twelve Championship game appearance.
They did so with three missed field goals, a failed
fourth and one from inside the five yard line. They
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lined up all sides on a fourth and three when
the opponent was punting, They gave up a second nineteen
with general ease. They fumbled inside I believe the thirty
yard line going in against BYU. Brendan Soarsby threw a
very poor interception. They the epitome of shooting themselves in
the foot. After an awesome build up to the game,
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Big noon kickoff was fun, the atmosphere at Nippert Stadium
was unbelievable. But it all resulted in a loss. And
then you turn the page to Sunday. Yes, the Bengals
the Patriots, and I know there are some out there
that'll say, man, they fought, they battled at least, and
they did. We'll dive into the Bengals game specifically. They
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did fight defensively, multiple fourth down stops, they forced a
field goal, they got to turnover run downs, Genostone had
to pick six. There are good things to talk about,
but at the end, it's the Bengals coming up short
again and now a three to eight record on the season,
and then of course to finish thing off. And I
think maybe one of the more disappointing finishes of the
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weekend was that last night of FC Cincinnati. And I
think more disappointing than anything because if you asked people
last Thursday or last Friday afternoon, you said, man, big
weekend in Cincinnati sports. Who who's gonna be the torch bearer?
Who's going to carry the light for the city of Cincinnati,
A lot of people would have said FC Cincinnati. And
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FC Cincinnati was obliterated at TQL Stadium four nil the
NL MESSI got things started in the nineteenth minute with
a header and from there the onslaught was on three
second half goals from Miami. They pull away and end
the season of FC Cincinnati. Another disappointing end to a
season for FC Cincinnati. So I ask you today, was
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it the worst local sports weekend in your memory? And
if not, can you give me other options? And you
give me other reasons? How about that Austin. We start
Thanksgiving week by asking people to relive their worst sports
weekend here in Cincinnati. Wow, we got a lot to
be thankful for, we do. I don't know that we
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have a lot to be thankful for sportswatch. I don't
know if we're necessarily in that boat. You know, the
first thing I thought of when you said that was
twenty twelve when the Reds lost to the Giants in
the NLDS. That happened on a Thursday. And then that
Sunday the Bengals gave up twenty one fourth quarter points
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to the windless Browns and lost in Cleveland. But those
are just the two that I remember from twenty twelve.
I can't imagine there's been a worse weekend than this
when you consider like the national stage that the Bearcats
were on on big noon kickoff, and you know, I
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got to watch a pretty decent out of that, and gosh,
the University of Cincinnati looked awesome, crowd was awesome, energy, hype,
all of it leading up to that game, and a
chance to really take what I think was a step
forward if they had been able to beat BYU. And
then you know that obviously didn't go that way. They
get blown out really by f c SINCINNTI getting blown
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out by MESSI and uh or I guess we're just
I'm just gonna call them inter MESSI. Yep, they're not Miami,
they're inter Messy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Uh. It's just yeah, I don't know that it gets
any worse than that now. I mean from a national standpoint,
the University of Cincinnati getting criticized because of the chance
by the UC students about b YU and that is
an added layer to this whole thing that's not not
going away at least for the next couple of a
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couple of days. So yeah, it's just a lot of
layers to it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it is. It's a city situation, and you mentioned
those chants. It's something that has already been addressed by
the athletic director John Cunningham at the University of Cincinnati.
He just released this just a few minutes ago on
behalf of the University of Cincinnati and Bearcat Athletics. I
want to serely apologize to the BYU community. In the
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, the use
of offensive or religiously derogatory language by a group of
fans during Saturday's game was unacceptable and does not reflect
our values. We remain committed to create an environment at
Nippert Stadium where every visiting team and that supporters are
treated with dignity and respect. And I will say this often.
I've gone to a lot of UC football games, and
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for the most part, outside of that, the atmosphere was phenomenal.
And I will give credit to BYU fans Austin because
I have very rarely seen a opposing fan base travel
in which the numbers BYU brought to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it's not like a drive, right, you gotta fly
yeah to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Admittedly, you know, I was at a wedding this weekend,
so I didn't get to see any sports really on
Saturday past twelve o'clock, so I didn't get to see much.
But everything I read in the clips, it was just
just an insane amount of people.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
They filled their fans filled the soccer stadium for a tailcate,
no kidding, and like not only like philed it, they
had like BYU inflatables tense. I've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
They traveled well. Again, it was an awesome environment. A
tough loss for UC and we'll talk more about that
loss as we get along. It was also a very
unique weekend in the National Football League. The Giants have
made another coaching change. Shane Bowen is out their defensive
coordinator after a collapse late against the Detroit Lions. They
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ruined the brilliance Austin of Jamis Winston. They ruined more
Jamis Winston brilliance magic. Also, get that cannon ready again.
The offensive coordinator of the Las Vegas Raiders, Chip Kelly
gone gone after a twenty four to ten loss to
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the Cleveland Browns. Yes, Austin, those Cleveland Browns who started
Shador Sanders and Shador didn't actually look too bad.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, the Bengals and the Browns have the same record, yep, both.
Let that sink in three and eight. Let that sink.
Miles Garrett has eighteen sacks.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let that sink in.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The Browns as a team yesterday against the Raiders had
ten sacks. Miles You might understand this, Tony. There's six
games left in the season. Yes, so Miles is almost
certainly going to destroy the single season record I believe
still held by Michael Strahan. Of twenty two sacks. Yeah,
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and I'm sure he would love to get it in
sixteen games. He might get out of seventeen, he might
get to thirty. He's had fourteen sacks in the last
five games alone. Yep. I really think you can make
the argument that Miles Garrett is the best player. Yeah,
in the National Football League. I agree. You know, you
talk all the time about the goat debate. Who are
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we watching now? That's an all time great. I mean
I would have a hard time thinking otherwise. I mean, yes,
Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, elite edge rushers, Hall of famers.
I don't know that there's ever been one better than
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It was the day in the NFL in which some
teams flex their muscles. You want to talk about flex
and what about the Rams last night? I was impressive. Now,
Baker Mayfield, you hate to see it. Left shoulder injuries,
gett an MRI today. You hope for the best. It
wouldn't matter if Baker was healthy or not last night.
Matthew Stafford is playing at an MVP level right now.
He's the MVP of the National Football League, I believe. Now,
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thirty touchdowns and two interceptions. That's pretty good. They flexed
their muscles. Yesterday. The Baltimore Ravens, although sloppy, won their
fifth straight game, and it also was a day of
some meltdowns for teams. The Giants blow a lead to
the Lions. Credit to the Lions for coming back and
winning that one a lot on the strength of Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
By the way, those Giants, congratulations to them, not only
for you know, firing Shane Bowen. The Giants are the
first team officially eliminated from playoff contention. Okay, the Giants
are two to ten, but they are officially eliminated. That
means Tony that the Tennessee Titans at one in ten
are technically mathematically still alive.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We'll talk about teams still being alive today as well.
The Indianapolis Colts melt down in the fourth quarter against
the Chiefs, and again give credit to the Chiefs. They
snapped their skid. It was pretty much a must win.
They found away in overtime to beat the Indianapolis Colts.
The Jaguars beat the Cardinals in overtime. The Cowboys faced
a twenty one to nothing deficit at one point against
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the Eagles. They come all the way back to win
it twenty five war to twenty one. It was madness
across the National Football League yesterday and into last night.
The Bears moved to eight and three with the win
over the Pittsburgh Steelers, meaning the Ravens move into a
tie for first in the AFC North against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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And Week twelve will come to an end tonight as
the six and five Carolina Panthers take on these seven
and four San Francisco forty nine ers. Also in college football,
not a ton of marquee games happening over the weekend.
In Week thirteen, the college football slay Ohio State continued
their dominance over Rutgers. The SEC teams that scheduled by
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weeks all dominated Oregon. I thought had an impressive win
over USC. Lincoln Riley has won nothing. By the way,
at USC Oklahoma a big win. What does Lincoln Riley
won at all? That's also a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's also a good point. That is one of the.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Most over hyped, overrated, nonsensical anything's every Lincoln Riley has
won nothing. Oh he I mean he had some Heisman
Trophy winners at Oklahoma. Okay, cool. What did he win? Yeah,
he's Brian Kelly. Also, we got to make fun of that. Yeah,
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if you want, and I'm not going to speak for
you because I know you and BK are tight. If
you want any indication of Brian Kelly and the man
that he is, Yeah, look at the reflection of him
and his son. Yeah, the way that his son was
acting on senior day for LSU and his son, by
the way, he can't sniff the field. He's a terrible player.
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He should He's never If his dad wasn't the coach,
he'd never be at LSU. He'd be selling insurance somewhere.
Not that there's anything wrong with them, but he wouldn't
be playing college football.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah. I don't know if I've ever the.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Way that he acted was. It was just gross.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Now, as far as I know, BK still in line
to get fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As he should keep fighting for it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Brother, So shout out to Brian Kelly's son who put
BK on his undershirt and kept saying on camera, long
live BK. Free, my boy, Free, my boy, free, my boy,
my boy. I have a great relationship with my father.
I don't think i've ever related. I've ever referred to
my father as my boy, free my boy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
How early are my Did you start calling your parents
by my first names?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Not until I was probably out of college.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
See, I that was the thing that I did early on.
My parents did not like that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, free my boy. One, that's your father.
Two he's not imprisoned.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, no, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Waiting to collect fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
He did say that that he wanted his dad to
join him, yeah, for senior Day, and Lsu said no,
which I think that's kind of weak by Lsu. Sure, However,
you have to understand if Brian Kelly walks out on
to that field, oh, with his son, it's not a
good look for anybody. He would be booed mercilessly. It
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would it would take away from his son's actual You just.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Use the word merciless, mercifully, mercilessly, mercilessly.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Is that what happened with Notre Dame in Syracuse? How
about that game?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What happened in that game?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Notre Dame led after one thirty five nothing, Notre Dame
led at halftime forty nine nothing, Notre Dame one seventy
to seven. What has happened to Syracuse. Oklahoma did get
a big win Utah storms back in the forth they
beat Kansas State fifty one to forty seven, and Diego
Pavia with THEO Vaughn walking with his mom a senior day.
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I don't know what's going on there. He counted for
six touchdowns in a while to a forty five seventeen
win over Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I don't think there was a lot of brain cells
walking onto that field.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Pittsburgh got a big win over Georgia Tech, Texas rolled Tennessee,
rolled Wisconsin. Man Luke Fickle without the vest two and one.
Now another top twenty five win.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Good for him, man, good for him.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And Michigan beat Maryland, which sets up where I want
to go with this. Now it's now the week here Austin.
Are we done with the letter? Are we done with
the letter? Like Mark is waiting on hold? Do we
have to use like it's a arc this week? Well,
let me ask you on this.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
If you go to my Twitter page right now for
the last I can't even remember how long, probably since
two thousand and nine, since I've been on this website,
I have taken all the m's out, taking the m
out of my name, out of my bio everywhere that
I am removed today. But if you look at it
right now, it's it's not removed.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And the reason it's not is Ohio State hasn't earned that.
It's not a rivalry right now, Okay, Michigan is kind
of kicked or you know what. Okay, and until you
earn the right to like make it a rivalry again,
why should I I feel that. I don't know if
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I'm broken or what. But I don't feel anything this week.
There's kind of like this little bit of dread and nervousness,
but it's very minuscule compared to you know, years ago.
I shouldn't stop thinking about this game, sure from the
moment that the game on Saturday ended. And I don't
know if I'm just broken. I don't know what's going on.
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I don't feel the same energy, fervor, excitement, passion about
this rivalry as I did before. I truly think something
inside of me was broken last year. Wow. And I
don't know how to repair it. Gosh. I hate that,
and it does kind of suck for the whole thought
of the rivalry and what makes rivalries great.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Absolutely real quick out. It's nice to go up there
and win the game this weekend. It's not the it's
the it's my boy wake up. You see is going
to play a three thirty game at TCU on Saturday.
Locally College Hoop Xavier back in action on Friday as
well against Texas A and M Corpus. Chris Christy and
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the Bearcats try to get back to their winning ways
against the New Jersey Institute of Technology tonight and then
against the EMUs of Eastern Michigan tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I feel about the same way about Ohio State Michigan
as you probably feel about the New Jersey Institute of
Technology Tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You're like, yeah, I expect to win. I want to win,
but yeah, it's probably not going to be as easy
as I'd like it to be.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm feeling a little dead in thought as well today.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeh, we all feel.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
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which we'll give next on the Home of the Bengals,
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Speaker 5 (20:07):
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Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right, let's dive in here to a little football
in the NATI, shall we, Austin, Let's do it as
much as you know, maybe some people might just be
over it. At this point, We're going to continue to
push on. The Bengals lose yesterday to the New England
Patriots in what was at times a competitive game at
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pay Corp Stadium. The Bengals jumped out to actually a
tend to nothing lead in this one before Hunter Henry, Yes,
Hunter Henry and the New England Patriots got going a
little bit. It was, I thought, Austin a game that
obviously felt weird going in because of the Joe Burrow
lead in, and then he was not going to be used,
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and he didn't have Jamar Chase, and at the core
of it all, before the game even started, I thought
we officially said goodbye and saw the end of the
Jermaine Burton air in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Oh yeah, I mean, I think that writing's been on
the wall for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Jermaine Burton not active, and that goes to further hurt them.
Late in the game, t Higgins left due to a
pretty nasty concussion, so they were very shorthanded yesterday. Joe Flacco,
who I already thought was compromised, dealt with a little
bit of a finger issue as well. Yesterday. It was
just it was not going to be an easy game
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going in. I think everyone around this fan base knew that.
But they did go up ten to nothing before ultimately
going down twenty three to thirteen. But I thought there
were positives on the defensive side of the ball. We
have been asking for this team to show some fight,
into show effort. I thought Al Golden at times yesterday
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Austin kind of just let the play empty out, but
he played more aggressive with some of his calls. Geno
Stone had a pick six, Like at that point, I'm like,
maybe this is the day because Genostone just did that.
Genostone got a pick six, They got multiple short yardage stops,
forcing a turnover on downs. They forced another field goal
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late by New England that allowed them to stay in
the game because of their fourth down stops. Yes, the
linebacking play is questionable. Yes, they couldn't cover Hunter Henry
who torched him for one hundred and fifteen yards, as
well as Austin Hooper who had a nice day as well.
But I thought, all in all, for an MVP season
he's having, Drake May was okay twenty two to thirty five.
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Trevon Henderson didn't crush them in the running game. It
was unfortunately a day where they just couldn't play the
complimentary football because while the defense did get some stops,
the offense struggled in a mighty way. The offense went
three for thirteen on third down. I do think it
was a positive to get some positivity going in the
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running game. Chase Brown ran it for five six a carry,
nineteen carries for one oh seven. Joe Flacco was only
sacked once. So in a season Austin where it's been
very easy to pick apart a lot of the bad,
I wanted to try today at least to find some good.
I think the offensive line has improved vastly and I
thought Chase Brown was impressive yesterday. Outside of that, Joe
Flacco was not good. That's a game probably yesterday where
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if Joe Burrow plays, I think the Bengals win that game.
And I thought there was a blatant lack of aggressiveness
from the head coach Zach Taylor on many short yarded
situations yesterday in which I thought the Bengals could have
went for the fourth down. They had a fourth and
four on the thirty seven, They had a fourth and
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four again on the thirty seven. They had a fourth
and one from the forty five yard line, which they
ultimately punted and Ryan Rico punted that ball into the
end zone. You're three and seven. You're playing without Jamar Chase,
You're playing without Joe Burrow, you're playing without Trey Hendrickson.
Why not just empty the clip? Why not just go
for it?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It felt like he was coaching scared, yep, And there's
no reason for that. I don't know if he's just
trying to preserve the idea that you Burrow's gonna come
back and maybe they can go on a run. But
you're going nowhere if you don't win that game and
beating a team like New England with those guys out
requires aggression and sometimes it requires stepping over that line
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from aggressive to reckless. And Zach never went past the
aggressive line. And there were multiple times where it felt
like they had some positive momentum running the ball and
he would go away from that mean, most notably that
sequence where it was a third and one and then
a fourth and one, Chase Brown averaging five and a
half almost six yards per carry as a whole, the
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team averaging over five yards per carry, and instead of
running the ball and keeping the drive alive on third
and one, Zach Taylor elects to pass Flacco, goes deep
down the field, it's incomplete, and then instead of going
for it on that fourth and one, they allow for
a delay of game penalty and punt the football away
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with about thirteen minutes left to go and down by
a score. I thought that was coaching scared from Zach Taylor.
I thought that was a lack of feel from Zach Taylor.
And it's become way too often of a problem. Zach
Taylor way too frequently kicks the ball away or punts
it back to the other team when he should be
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going for it on fourth downs, it has become an
unfortunate part of the Zach Taylor issue, and there are
plenty of issues. It's getting the play call in on time. Yeah,
they took one on purpose yesterday, But the Bengals, do
you know, lead the National Football League and delay of
game penalties. We've talked about them burning timeouts that are
pointless in the past. The operation is not clean, the
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feel is not there, and Zach Taylor, I thought coach
scared and there's you're not going to win without your
best players. If you're coaching like that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
There's a if you follow along with just the world
of analytics. The analytics on that play alone are strong
recommendation to go for it. So even analytically, that is
a situation where you want to go for it. I
don't quite understand, and I guess for me, Austin, the
biggest takeaway I had and you nailed it on a
day where you ran the ball for five point two
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yards per carry. Joe Flacco was clearly compromised and has
been compromised. You still asked him to throw at thirty
seven times in a game where you weren't trailing by
a large margin at all. Really like it wasn't like
you were three scores down and had to panic in
a band. In the running game, you let it ten
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to nothing at halftime, it was seventeen thirteen. You're still alive.
Going into the fourth quarter it was twenty to three thirteen.
You're still more than alive. And yet Joe Flacco throw
it thirty seven times. That doesn't make sense from an
offensive standpoint, and I thought that was a miss for
the Cincinnati backus.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And especially when you have a quarterback that you know
is compromised, yep, and you don't have Jamar Chase there
for him to throw the ball to. I mean, you
make the point, if they have Burrow, they win that game.
I think you could say even without Burrow, if they
have chased, maybe they win that game. That's how close
it was. And in those moments, in those types of games,
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you cannot, in my opinion, put it on your defense
to keep you in the game. And yes, the defense
has turned things around to an extent. I think they've
tackled better. I think they've defended the run better. They're
still atrocious on third downs and especially third and longs.
They just give up. It doesn't matter what it is,
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it could be third and seventy five. They'll find a
way to give it up. But there are at least
signs of improvement. And I hope that Zach Taylor wasn't
fooled by that into this, you know, false sense of
security in belief in his defense and just a rough day.
I mean, even even when healthy, you kind of need
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everything to go perfect for the Bengals just because of
the way the roster is constructed. And if you don't
play complimentary football and you don't have a head coach
that understands the importance of a specific moment or the
analytics or the feel or what you're doing well, or
the momentum. We've talked about momentum before, We've debated about
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momentum before. I believe fully in momentum, and a coach
that doesn't understand that is a coach that gives you
less of a chance to win. And that's an issue.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It now opens up what will be conversations this week
Austin about meaningless wins, first draft positioning with six games
to play, it'll bring up a conversation this week about
Joe Burrow and do you play Joe Burrow on Thursday
Night when you're playing out a string of games. I
know mathematically there's still a chance it is the Ravens
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on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, Ravens installed already as a
seven and a half point favor. But those are all
discussions now that will happen going forward because of another
Bengal loss where quote they just didn't make the plays
they needed to make, in a quote that I've heard
far too many times after a Cincinnati Bengals loss. Let's
take a break. Let's hear from you next five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
There have been three attempts in franchise history of sixty plus.
Moneymack missed from sixty seven, Doug Telfree missed from sixty three.
Shane Graham missed from sixty two. This will be a
sixty three yard try as Evan McPherson tries to join
the club of NFL kickers who have made kicks from
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beyond sixty yards. Ryan Rico on the Bengals logo waiting
for the snap from Will Wagner. The staff is good.
Here comes the kick. Loft it high into the air
bag over end kick.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yes good, nice, haven't met. Pherson mates Bengals history with
a sixty three yard field goal, four yards longer than
the previous longest kick that he shared with Cade York
and Cincinnati scores at the gun in the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
To pull within four. How about that? That just goes
to show Austin the difference of having the actual kicking
ball in the game makes man those it a couple
of weeks ago. He was short from like what fifty two?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I believe it was fifty four fifty four either way,
well within his range.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
As you can tell, they got the kicking ball right.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I was trying to think, what's my favorite moment of
this Bengals season. I was a hit because you know
the what was it, nine plays in a row with
gold to go yesterday, the Bengals defense made a stand.
I was thinking about that. I was thinking about Evan McPherson,
and then I remember, I think my favorite part was
being at lambeau Field and watching Evan McPherson break the
NFL record but it didn't count because that's kind of
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like the epitome of the Bengals season. By the way,
you heard Dan in that call mention Cade York. You
know Kate York is among a couple of different kickers
getting a tryout for the New Orleans Saints today. Wow,
do you know who one of the other kickers is?
Justin Tucker? Justin Tucker getting a try out with the
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Saints as well, alongside Bengals legend Kady York.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 3 (32:05):
You know I packed my lunch today, Yes, and I
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phone calls. What's up, Gunner?
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Hey, Yeah, we're doing to the Happy Monday guys. First thing,
I just just got to give a quick shout out
to my dad to his birthday this week. Happy Birthday Mark.
Listen over in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Hunter, have you ever called your dad your boy.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Boy? Did I just call him that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, that's what That's what Brian kelly Son was calling him.
So I was just curious.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I did see that.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I did see that. Well, maybe because my dad and
I have such an infinity for Brian kelly As and
Sandy Bear Captain. I think the holiday is really good,
just his birthday week. We're big fans of your guys show.
Give us something to you know, stay in touch about
constantly even we live you know, different different cities from
each other. So I appreciate you guys as well. And
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before I get to the bangals, I got to say often,
as a lifelong Buckeye, I don't understand the front running.
I know we've lost the last couple of years, but
were you taking the ant out of your Twitter profile
when we were winning for twenty plus years in a row.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
He was no gun I have a standard gunner, and
it's not being upheld at the moment by the by
the current regime at the Ohio State University. When it
comes to that game specifically.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
I get it I get it. I'm I'm I've got
some weird superstitions as well. But I think we get
done this Saturday quickly. On the Bangalas, you guys hit
on most of it already. That that fourth and one call,
I mean, if that just isn't a microcosm of Zach
Taylor as the head coach of Sincannai bangles just coaching
to lose, coaching scared. I don't understand what you're doing.
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I mean, you're you're three and seven, You're not six
and five. Right, we don't have this great defense that's
been stopping people all year. It was I had to
put my mortgage. I had to put my mortgage on
the on the Patriot schooling there and score and field
goal or a touchdown. But you guys hit on that.
I just I can't see this guy as the coach anymore.
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I've been that way a few years. Something's got to change.
Something's got a you know, heads of guy to turn.
They've got to get him out of here. And I'll
leave you with this last thing. You know, I thought
the offensive play calling in the first half was really creative. Right,
we're missing guys. Black was a little hurt a lot
of motion, a lot of creative stuff, a lot of
running the football. Didn't see that in the second half.
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I don't know. I just you know, you're at a
loss for words when you see that kind of stuff
with him, and it's it's week over week, season overseas,
season overseason with him. So I'll leave you with that. Guys,
have a happy, happy holiday, spend time with your family,
and look forward to hearing from you when we get back.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Gunnar, thank you for the call, man, and happy birthday
to your father. We appreciate that. How about that at
the Gunner, It is true, though, you know you've had
for the season the worst statistical defense in the history
of the NFL. YEP, You're not gonna win games with
field goals. You're not gonna win games with field position.
You're also playing at a three and seven mark. Just
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be aggressive, and you've ran the ball for all five
yards of carry, Go for it and make a statement.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And Flacco was not good, correct, he wasn't good last week,
He's not good this week. I mean, the guy barely
took any reps. You don't know how many chances you're
gonna get. Yeah, go make the most of it. I
just I can't. I can't wrap my head around it
at all.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, I am one with you. What's up, Mike? How
are you?
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Guys? Hey Donnard, that was a good call.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Brother.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I never heard you on air before, but I thought
that was a very very pogent. Yeah. I like he
was very organized and made a lot of sense. My dad,
who died when he was sixty three, his birthday is tomorrow,
and so I always commemorate that he was a Cincinnati
firefighter for a long time. Yeah, the smoke inhalation ended
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up killing him from the for his heart and stuff.
But anyway, my dad's birthday, he would have been ninety
nine years old. Wow. Wow, Taylor's gotta go, guys. I mean,
come on, let's quit crapping around here. I don't know
what these guys are thinking about, but I will say
Jase is doing so well running the ball, and the
old line is getting better than the run, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Really? They were doing everything you wanted to from an
offensive line. Yesterday. They gave up one sack and you
were running the ball for over five yards of carry
and you go away from it. I just, for the
life of me, I can't understand it and you go
away from it without Joe Burrow and without Jamar chasing
the game as well. Why you're passing the ball there
if you're not setting up to go for it and
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run the ball and fourth down I'll never understand.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
And then you get your boy Higgins dinged up. Yep.
I mean that's a big price to pay on top
everything else. But let's just say it right now, the
Rams categorically are the best team in the NFL right now.
I don't know how they will be, but for now
they are the best team. I mean, they smacked a
snot out of Tampa yesterday.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, without a doubt they You cannot go against it
right now. That was one of the most impressive football
games I've watched from start to finish all year.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
And in less Sneid, theyre GM the combination of Sneid
and McVeigh. They've surpassed Andy Reid now and they are
or whoever his GM is in my opinion, because they
drafted Verse and Fisk Brandon Fisk both out of FSU
last year on the same defensive line, and then they
come up with Forbes. I don't even know where they
pulled him out of but that guy can play some
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serious cornerback, can't he.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
There's a first round pick of the Washington Commanders a
couple of years ago, and they cut bait with him,
and I remember we had conversations on this show about
the Bengals go after him. Yep, and you know he
is really really turned it around in Los Angeles.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
Yeah, you guys did say that. Well, you guys are clairvoyant. Man.
That's pretty good. That's really pretty damn good. You know,
my favorite party yesterday, I have to admit, for the
first time I didn't listen to Dan Horden laughed, Shame
on me. But when I found out Marvin was calling
the game because I picked him up on a game
earlier in the year, and I loved listening to Marvin sure,
(38:30):
and because he has so much knowledge and the play
by play guy was great because it was a network thing.
I was on the radio and Marvin two times he
got so irritated with the Bengals. It was because, you know,
he's kind of a monotone guy, but he actually had
some vim and vigor in his in his speech pattern
(38:51):
during his comments on two issues. One was towards the
end of the game instead of calling a time out.
He goes, why guys rushed to the ball, rush to
the ball and didn't clock it or make them play
or something, but don't use your last time out. That
just pissed him off. And then then he said the
thing that really just got his goat, and he said,
(39:13):
if I was a coach, this would never have happened.
The DB's and the safeties don't turn their heads around,
and that is what's killing this secondary. Yeah, all you
guys agree.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, all valid, All valid. They were penalized as well,
six times for sixty five yards yesterday. So it just
they they don't do it. It's it's almost a similar
conversation I can have about the Bearcats as well. They
just they don't do the small things that teams with
a small margin of ara have to get done.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
So you got yeah, I mean not even having ever
been a d bat DD, but I how can you
play somebody if you don't have some idea where the
ball is?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
No, it's fair.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, it's tough, and it's it's a thing that's talked
about lot when it comes to evaluating the talent or
scouting the talent of some of these young defensive backs
is their ball skills, their ability to track the ball,
they're able to find it in the air, to go
after it, to you know, get their hand in front
of it. I've said for a couple of years now,
I don't know that that's a very well coached unit.
(40:20):
And I was surprised that Charles Burk's and Jordan Kovacs
stuck around. They were here in the Luanna Rumo era
for the last couple of years and they're still here
with Al Golden and that group really hasn't taken strides
forward at all. I mean, DJ Turner maybe is the exception,
and even then teams are starting to throw away from him,
so we don't see him as much. But I mean
(40:42):
Cam Taylor Britt that hasn't worked, Dax Hill that hasn't worked,
Jordan Battle hasn't worked, Genostone hasn't worked. I mean, there's
a long list of cornerbacks that just haven't worked out here,
and safeties for.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
That well, I appreciate you. It's fining that to me. Awesome,
give me a historical back. But you know, okay, so
if you take your eye off the ball for a
second as a DD to find the ball, you can still.
Usually those guys are pretty fast, right, they can catch
up the stride or too. Maybe that they lost to
the guy right, But I just don't know how you
(41:14):
played that position without telling where the ball is.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Thanks guys, I appreciate it, and Tony, you could correct
me if I'm wrong here. But I think a lot
of times now guys are taught to watch the eyes
of the hands of the receiver. That's why receivers you
hear them often talk about late hands.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
They don't want to show where the ball is or
where it's going until the very last second. I think
the best in the NFL at this is Devonte Adams.
He showed that last night, that one where he had
half a step on a guy yep, and waited as
long as he could, and you see the defenders watching
his hands and puts his hand out there as soon
as DeVante starts to move his hands, but it was
too late. Like that is you know, the way they're
(41:53):
taught these days, especially if you get beat, find their hands,
find their eyes.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
One of the sobering thoughts I had last night watching them,
who are now ahead of the Eagles as Super Bowl favorites.
One of the things. I thought. I went back to
the Super Bowl Loston, and I thought, and I mentioned
this to Mo yesterday, if you're walking out of that
Super Bowl and you're thinking, Okay, five years from now,
four years from now, the Bengals may have lost tonight,
(42:19):
but they're going to be in better shape than the Rams,
because at that time, do you remember, the Rams had
seemingly gone all in. They were all in for a title,
They had no draft picks, they were paying guys a
lot of money. Aaron Donald has since retired, and yet
as we sit here on November twenty fourth, the Rams
are right back in it and the Bengals, albeit with
(42:40):
Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, are nowhere near getting back
to that level Ram. It is sobering that they have
run circles around the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Hit on the late round draft picks that they've had, yep.
And they've also done a terrific job with undrafted free agents.
That's been a huge part of their success. Like they've
they've supplemented the roster a little bit with free agents,
and you know, every team does very specific role player
type of guys. But they've hit, but they've hit on
(43:11):
late round picks that have turned into depth pieces that
have turned into development pieces, and they've kind of hit
that cycle over and over again, and they've hit on
undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Now, I will say this, the Bengals do have a
history of at least being able to have some undrafted
free agents and success. I mean, Vontes Berfect is no
better example than that. And I think we've seen a
little bit of that, but not nearly as much as
there needs to be.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And they just play like there was The point was
made last night, like everyone that dresses for the Rams
is expected to play a big role in the game.
They rotate guys in, they give you a bunch of
different looks. And I've said it a thousand times. Their
personnel just matches their scheme and what they want to do.
With Sean McVay, we'll take a break. We wrap up
(43:57):
our number one. When we get back, we'll get down
number two. We'll open it up for more phone calls.
We got more on the Bengals. We got to talk
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won their seven games in a row because you just
were able to talk about a win for the Bearcats.
Now the Bearcats have lost three games in a row
that are underdogs on the road at TCU. Unfortunately, going
(44:39):
to take a few minutes when we get back to
talk about another failed opportunity in Clifton on Saturday. We'll
do that when we get back.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
We've got more.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Nip and night was so cool.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That was cool, though.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
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