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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Get Connected with Nina del Rio, a weekly
conversation about fitness, health and happenings in our community on
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Thank you for listening to Get Connected. Happy Thanksgiving as
we catch up with Epic Players, New York's leading neuroinclusive
theater company, presenting the world premiere of the original play
bum Bum or This Farce Has Autism by award winning
playwright Dave Osmondson, December fourth to fourteenth at Here Art
Center in Manhattan. Our guests are Epic Players founder and
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Executive artistic Director Aubreytherian and award winning playwright Dave Osmanson.
Thank you for being on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Thank you for having us, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
You can find out more about the company and the
upcoming performance at Epic Players NYC dot org. And I
think we'll start with you, Aubrey. The company is approaching
its tenth anniversary early congratulations. I know that's in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thank yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, we've spoken with you before, but I wonder if
you could go back in time a little bit and
talk about what led you to found the company and
what is the focus of Epic Players.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, Epic Players is a nonprofit theater company dedicated to
elevating and supporting and employing artists who identify as autistic, neurodivergent,
or capital deep disabled. We serve about two hundred artists
here in New York City, about seven hundred students with disabilities,
and then we're also in LA and support about fifty
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artists there, which is really exciting. And you know, the
organization was started because it was doing this work as
an actor, as a theater professional for a long time,
and I had been working with a couple of different
organizations that really focused on more of a drama therapy
approach to arts and disabilities. But what I found was
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that our individuals and our artists really wanted more and
that you can be born with a disability and you
can also have talent. Those things are not mutually exclusive,
and they deserved a professional opportunity to shine. My grandmother
had polio. I myself a neurodivergent. My mother is a
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teacher for students with disabilities, So disability has been in
my life for a long time. And seeing kind of
the power of that the arts has to build community
and find your purpose is something that I didn't think
should be gate kept from my community.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And from the outside of the community. Why is it
important that general audiences experience the work of neurodiverse performers
and work from neurodiverse creators.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
That's a great question. You can't be what you can't see, right,
So if we consistently see individuals who are non disabled
in non neurodivergent playing autistic disabled characters, then you perpetualize
this story so type that people with disabilities are not capable,
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which is completely untrue. Right, So it's important to see
people with disabilities and roles of power. You know, art
reflects life, So we want to see people with disabilities
playing doctors, lawyers, you know, want to see them winning
awards for their performances, et cetera. So we kind of
change this negative perception that the disabled community is not
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capable because it's just not true. And what we do
right now as a culture is approach the disabled community
with a deficit base focus and with epic we flip
that and we focus with a strength base. We always
assume competence and assumer artists are capable, competent experts at
their talent and their craft, and we want to elevate
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them in that light. And that's why I think it
is important for the larger community to see what the
disabled community is capable of.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And I think that gets to the play that you're
presenting soon. So let's talk a little bit about bumbum Or.
This farce has autism. It's written by Dave Osmundson. Before
we talk to Dave, how did you get connected?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oh gosh, well, Dan, I got connected a long time
ago through a different theater company called ste and we
worked together doing some device shows. Our companies work together,
and then we loved working with Dave and recognized that
he's a brilliant playwright. So he came on as an
Epic teaching artist and guest teacher helping our players, who
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many of whom are aspiring playwrights. Really hone the aircraft
for our festivals. So when we have so many neurodivergent
creators coming to us now, we've had to create a
pathway for that at Epic, So we have we accept
plays and we have a yearly kind of adjudication process,
and then now we choose a play to do each year,
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and Dave's submitted and we overwhelmingly loved this play. And
so we're really proud that it's our first reel original
production and that we can elevate artistic playwrights.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Bumbum or This Farce Has Autism by award winning playwright
Dave Osmondson, is December fourth to fourteenth at Here Arts
Center in Manhattan. You can find out more at Epic
PLAYERSNYC dot org. Dave Osmondson is an autistic playwright and
dramaturg whose work has been seen and developed at Kennedy Center,
American College Theater Festival Region eight, the Kennedy Center and
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National New Play Network MFA, Playwrights Workshop, the Great Plains
Theater Conference, Purple Crayon Players, and many others. His play Lights,
which received its world premiere Respectrum Theater Ensemble in April
twenty twenty two, which is also a theater company of
neurodiverse theater artists. Aubreytherian is the executive artistic director of
Epic Players, dedicated to creating neurodiverse opportunities and communities through
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the arts. She has been an actress regionally and in
New York for twenty years and holds a BFA and
Theater from Longwood University and an MPH from New York
University to get connected on one six point seven Light FM,
Amina del Rio And now let's talk about the play. Dave,
congrats on having your play produced by epic players. So
Bumbum or this farce has autism? What is it about?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So Bumbum is about a trio of autistic performers who
are slated to perform at this telethon that is benefiting
an organization that supports autistic folks in the performing arts.
If you are sensing some similarities to epic players, I
assure you we have talked about that and this play.
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Let me just say for the record, this play is
not based on epic players. I'm gonna say that for
the record now. But in Bumbum, however, we have Lisa
who is a dancer, Sean who is a comedian, and
Jason who is a ventriloquist. And Lisa is told to
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do a nice little ballet, but she really wants to
do burlesque. Sean is a comedian who is told to
do a nice little monologue called dating Autistic, the real
title of which is much more anatomical, if you know
what I mean. And Jason just believes that people should
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be themselves and he may or may not want some
revenge himself. So the three of them band together and
they decide to take over the broadcast. High drinks ensue
as they do.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I would assume this was inspired by something real out
there or some pattern of thing perhaps you've seen. Can
you talk about where the play came from?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Sure? Well, I remember watching the video of Katie Perry
singing firework with an autistic girl at I think it
was Night of Too Many and at the end of
the performance, the autistic girl embraced Katy Perry, and Katy
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Perry just gave this look like I'm a savior. I
am elevating this girl to the echealons of art. And
I didn't know why. I don't know why. I just
found that. I just found that so funny. Like one
I think one element of my disability is when if
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people are trying to be serious with me, and this
depends on the situation, I have a hard time taking
it seriously in a lot of ways, where if I
recognize the situation as comedic, I just laugh. And there
was just something so funny about that savior complex becoming
so manifest, and I'm like, I wonder, what is going
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on backstage, like, do those autistic performers really want to
perform these acts that they are doing on national TV? Probably?
But what about the ones who don't? And it also
dovetails with my exploration in my work of the right
to authentic autistic expression, which I've done previously dramatically but
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never comedically, and I wanted to see what that would
look like in a comedy while also working at the
challenge of a comedy. How do you make something emotionally
resonant while also lightfooted and funny.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There's something about it being a comedy. I think that's right.
People might be more drawn to the comedy in a
sense rather than feeling I don't know. As you mentioned,
there's so many descriptions and presentations of people who are
neurodivergent on TV, film, and theater that tend to be
very like precious as you just described, what kind of
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I mean, this kind of your play here represents a
bit of this. But what kind of stories would you
like to see more of? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Boy, you know, I would love to see more stories
about autistic people and neurodivergent and disabled folks just kind
of living their day to day lives. More I guess
more slice of life, more mundane stories that don't go
out to inspire necessarily, but rather to just give a
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vantage point of what it's like to live that day
to day life that's neither tragic nor inspiring, but is
that perfect middle ground of I'm just living my life.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Not all of your scripts are related to autism or
neurodiversity or disability, and you've worked with all kinds of
theater companies. Can you talk briefly about the experience of
working with a neurodiverse, supportive theater company as a writer,
Does it feel like there's a difference in how your
work is received and presented and experienced.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I love that question, and it's interesting because in a way,
Aubrey just mentioned that this is the first time Epic
is producing a new play. This is also my first
time developing a play without any previous public readings or development.
So in a lot of ways, we are both kind
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of like doing this trial by fire thing, and so
far it's honestly been great because working with people who
get your sense of humor is and are also getting
where you're coming from in terms of how neurodivergent folks
are portrayed. In media and wanting to simultaneously laugh down
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ableism but also uplift neurodivergent folks has been really, really great,
And I mean I've been developing a relationship with Epic
four the last few years, and just how open they
have been is very rare, and it's not something that
you find in a lot of theater companies. So it
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feels like a great organization to kind of kind of
go to bat with, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So, what would you want people to take away from
the play.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That autistic people are not mysterious or strange or are puzzles.
They just they're human beings. They experience and approach the
world in ways that makes sense to them, even if
they don't necessarily make sense to you. You know, I
work with idd folks and I often find myself trying
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to understand different modes of communication myself. So it's something
that we all have to work to work towards.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think, you know, and I'll break would ask the
same question of you. So, bumbum Or this Farce has
Autism is on stage December fourth to fourteenth. What would
do you hope that audiences take away from the show show.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We're really leaning into the meta of it all. So
I know Dave said it's not about epic. However, the
show does center a nonprofit arts organization that elevates the
artists with a character very similar to me that I'm
trying not to take offense to, but David's so I
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really hope it turns a mirror to our audience members
who are coming to see kind of how ridiculous it
is to infantilize this community and maybe think again on
your kind of assumptions when you're meeting somebody with autism,
where you're meeting a neudivergent person or somebody with a disability.
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So that is what I'm hoping, and I also hope
it makes people a little uncomfortable. There's there's moments where
are our characters are being human. They are saying dropping
the F bomb left and right, and they're talking about sex,
and they're expressing what they wanted a life, And I
hope that makes people uncomfortable. And then the people question
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why that makes them uncomfortable? Why are they uncomfortable seeing
autistic Christian talk about this again.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
The play is December fourth to fourteenth. Aubrey has just
expressed it's not a play for kids, so you should
probably also know that too, And what would you what
would you also like audiences to know just about Epic
Players And how can someone support the company.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, Epic is a nonprofit. We do not charge at
all for programs. They're completely free, and we pay our
actors for their time to talent, and we want to
pay them more so we survive on donations and individual donations, institutions, government.
So if this is something that you want to be
a part of and help us make this kind of theater,
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we'd love to have you a part of it. And
you can just go to our website www dot Epic
Players ANDYC dot org to donate or to buy a
ticket for the show.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The show again, I'll mention it one more time because
it sounds great. Bumbum or this farce has autism by
Dave Osmondson, December fourth to fourteenth, Coming up very soon
at Here Arts Center in Downtown and Lower Manhattan. Epic
Players NYC dot org for more details. Dave Osmondson and
Aubreytherian thank you for being to get connected.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Thank you, Nina, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Thank you, Nina. I really appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
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