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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, well, that's how the media has been with President Trump,
especially if you're talking about MSNBC. Before we get to
the comments on lawful violence against Ice. Here's an example.
This is from day before yesterday on MSNBC when they
were talking about Alligator Alcatreaz. That is traditionally called a
concentration camp or an internment camp. And I wonder about
(00:23):
your specificity use in using that language.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, as sure as hell, I'm not going to use
what they're calling it. They want to ethnically clean cleanse
this country of certain types of immigrants, because when I
was in that internment camp in the Everglades, I didn't
see any Europeans who overstayed their visa. I saw nothing
but Latino men and Haitian men.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And if that wasn't deranged enough, the media is doling
out tips on how illegals can stand their ground against masked,
masked ICE agents. When you're masked like that and people
don't know who you are, someone might exercise their lawful
right of self descense to protect themselves, thinking they're being kidnapped.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, right, thinking they're being kidnapped. Curtis hop joins this
media research center. I'm always surprised. I'm sure I've asked
you this a million times before, Curtis, I'm going to
ask you again just because I throw up my hands
in frustration at all of this stuff. It is your
job as a network to deliver for your shareholders. It
(01:25):
is your job to try to generate advertising revenue. How
in the world does this continue at MSNBC. How are
they still on the air?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, first of all, good morning Jimmy. You know you
do wonder you know what happened to the who, what, where, when, why?
And how? You know, like basic tenets of like journalism,
how did we get there? But you know, I feel
like they made me have some freedom now because comcasts
(01:54):
will you know, they're the process of spinning them off,
and they're in their own company so they don't have
have a cable and internet provider having to be worried
about blowback back. So they could just say all these
things and they know that the fact checkers are not
going to fact check them. Are a steam? Uh suppose
to nonpartisan fact checkers? What's rather do pants on fire
(02:16):
about you know, Babylon b headlines than actually go into
things about this because there was no evidence provided in
those sound bites to make to back up their claims.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, you're right about that. But if they're being spun
off as their own company, they have to make their
own way financially, don't they. How do they do that?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Right? Well, that is the key there. They actually think
maybe now that we're free, we can actually do this. Now,
you still you still do have to kind of hay
the bills and uh more people cutting the cord. You know,
that's just going to exasperate things right now for them.
I'm just really interested to see it's as bold strategy
con Let's see how it plays out for them. Uh
(02:57):
That's how I feel about a lot of things I
see nowadays. They actually think doubling down on this kind
of incendiary rhetoric is going to do the job. But
I don't think people are going to buy it other
than maybe the boomer fringe audience.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
All right, Curtis hops, So at this point, is it
safe to say that traditional journalism is dead? We're no
longer interested in traditional journalism. It is. You're going to
get an opinion one way or the other no matter
what you watch, and it's going to be up to
up to us to try to figure out you know,
our belief system compared to what the media is telling us.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, no, that's exactly what I think. I mean, I
always like to go back to the late two thousand
Glenndeck adage of do your own homework. Just because you
hear something from an opinion host, you might want to
go see if you can go find that information yourself
and back that up. And even at NewsBusters, we look
at a variety of sources every day, even things that
we disagree with you. I think that's really where we
(03:57):
have to be now. But I think thanks to the Internet,
that's why always say it's a net positive that we
have all the choices out there and information in our fingertips,
whereas before, you know, you'd have to scour up the
money to either go library or buy your own set
of encyclopedias.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I guess the downside to that, Curtis out, is that
we're dealing with the twenty four seven news cycle where
there's very little ability to escape from it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I mean, that is true. I mean, I think that's
why you want to seek out us, try to find
a few sources that won't make you angry. I mean,
you know what you guys do here new trafficking weather
every ten minutes. I mean, just the basic facts on television.
My friends at News Nation, I think they do a
pretty good job. Yes they have fred Ocuoma over there,
but you know, it's the one network I can probably
(04:44):
turn on without wanting to yell at the TV h
for my wife's sanitymore so, so, I think that's something
that we need in the news business, have to think
about because you know, a lot of folks have real
you know, I mean not that we don't have real jobs,
Butmericans that actually are out there every day and don't
have the time like we do to be spending diving
(05:06):
headfirst into this.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I'd like to I'd like to get your opinion on
a topic here, a quick opinion if you don't mind.
Curtis Howkin and Curtis is with Media Research Center. If
you were President Trump, I'm gonna put you in his
position here for a second. And you've got all this
stuff swirling back and forth on the Jeffrey Epstein story,
and I think a lot of folks, including myself, are
trying to figure out the right way to cover this story.
(05:28):
You want, you want transparency, but you think somewhere in
your heart of hearts, that there's a reason why we're
not learning everything there is to learn about the Jeffrey
Epstein story. If you're the president, do you at this
point do you just try to make it go away
by ignoring it? How do you handle it? How do
you handle it?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, that's such a tough call because now they're
suddenly interested in it. Jack Kapper the other day was like,
my goodness, I mean, there were there were women whose
lives were ruined by this. We should have maybe done
more of this coverage earlier when he was still alive,
and you know, the twenty ten's and you're like, yeah, no, really, dude,
just like Joe Biden, we just missed the story the
(06:07):
first time around. They're only doing this not because they care,
but they do this because they see a division, and
I honestly want to just move on from this. The
president has been on a roll the AI news. The
Pittsburgh summit with my home state Senator Dave McCormick was
a rousing success that is not getting any attention this
(06:28):
week because they're now talking about this. So if I
were the president, you try to find a way out
of this to move on. Kind of punt and you
know I trust Dan Bongino and Cash Hotel.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
There you go. I think that's well said. Thank you
sir as always, Curtis Halk Media Research Center,
Yeah, well, that's how the media has been with President Trump,
especially if you're talking about MSNBC. Before we get to
the comments on lawful violence against Ice. Here's an example.
This is from day before yesterday on MSNBC when they
were talking about Alligator Alcatreaz. That is traditionally called a
concentration camp or an internment camp. And I wonder about
(00:23):
your specificity use in using that language.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, as sure as hell, I'm not going to use
what they're calling it. They want to ethnically clean cleanse
this country of certain types of immigrants, because when I
was in that internment camp in the Everglades, I didn't
see any Europeans who overstayed their visa. I saw nothing
but Latino men and Haitian men.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And if that wasn't deranged enough, the media is doling
out tips on how illegals can stand their ground against masked,
masked ICE agents. When you're masked like that and people
don't know who you are, someone might exercise their lawful
right of self descense to protect themselves, thinking they're being kidnapped.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, right, thinking they're being kidnapped. Curtis hop joins this
media research center. I'm always surprised. I'm sure I've asked
you this a million times before, Curtis, I'm going to
ask you again just because I throw up my hands
in frustration at all of this stuff. It is your
job as a network to deliver for your shareholders. It
(01:25):
is your job to try to generate advertising revenue. How
in the world does this continue at MSNBC. How are
they still on the air?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, first of all, good morning Jimmy. You know you
do wonder you know what happened to the who, what, where, when, why?
And how? You know, like basic tenets of like journalism,
how did we get there? But you know, I feel
like they made me have some freedom now because comcasts
(01:54):
will you know, they're the process of spinning them off,
and they're in their own company so they don't have
have a cable and internet provider having to be worried
about blowback back. So they could just say all these
things and they know that the fact checkers are not
going to fact check them. Are a steam? Uh suppose
to nonpartisan fact checkers? What's rather do pants on fire
(02:16):
about you know, Babylon b headlines than actually go into
things about this because there was no evidence provided in
those sound bites to make to back up their claims.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, you're right about that. But if they're being spun
off as their own company, they have to make their
own way financially, don't they. How do they do that?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Right? Well, that is the key there. They actually think
maybe now that we're free, we can actually do this. Now,
you still you still do have to kind of hay
the bills and uh more people cutting the cord. You know,
that's just going to exasperate things right now for them.
I'm just really interested to see it's as bold strategy
con Let's see how it plays out for them. Uh
(02:57):
That's how I feel about a lot of things I
see nowadays. They actually think doubling down on this kind
of incendiary rhetoric is going to do the job. But
I don't think people are going to buy it other
than maybe the boomer fringe audience.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
All right, Curtis hops, So at this point, is it
safe to say that traditional journalism is dead? We're no
longer interested in traditional journalism. It is. You're going to
get an opinion one way or the other no matter
what you watch, and it's going to be up to
up to us to try to figure out you know,
our belief system compared to what the media is telling us.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, no, that's exactly what I think. I mean, I
always like to go back to the late two thousand
Glenndeck adage of do your own homework. Just because you
hear something from an opinion host, you might want to
go see if you can go find that information yourself
and back that up. And even at NewsBusters, we look
at a variety of sources every day, even things that
we disagree with you. I think that's really where we
(03:57):
have to be now. But I think thanks to the Internet,
that's why always say it's a net positive that we
have all the choices out there and information in our fingertips,
whereas before, you know, you'd have to scour up the
money to either go library or buy your own set
of encyclopedias.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I guess the downside to that, Curtis out, is that
we're dealing with the twenty four seven news cycle where
there's very little ability to escape from it.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I mean, that is true. I mean, I think that's
why you want to seek out us, try to find
a few sources that won't make you angry. I mean,
you know what you guys do here new trafficking weather
every ten minutes. I mean, just the basic facts on television.
My friends at News Nation, I think they do a
pretty good job. Yes they have fred Ocuoma over there,
but you know, it's the one network I can probably
(04:44):
turn on without wanting to yell at the TV h
for my wife's sanitymore so, so, I think that's something
that we need in the news business, have to think
about because you know, a lot of folks have real
you know, I mean not that we don't have real jobs,
Butmericans that actually are out there every day and don't
have the time like we do to be spending diving
(05:06):
headfirst into this.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I'd like to I'd like to get your opinion on
a topic here, a quick opinion if you don't mind.
Curtis Howkin and Curtis is with Media Research Center. If
you were President Trump, I'm gonna put you in his
position here for a second. And you've got all this
stuff swirling back and forth on the Jeffrey Epstein story,
and I think a lot of folks, including myself, are
trying to figure out the right way to cover this story.
(05:28):
You want, you want transparency, but you think somewhere in
your heart of hearts, that there's a reason why we're
not learning everything there is to learn about the Jeffrey
Epstein story. If you're the president, do you at this
point do you just try to make it go away
by ignoring it? How do you handle it? How do
you handle it?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, that's such a tough call because now they're
suddenly interested in it. Jack Kapper the other day was like,
my goodness, I mean, there were there were women whose
lives were ruined by this. We should have maybe done
more of this coverage earlier when he was still alive,
and you know, the twenty ten's and you're like, yeah, no, really, dude,
just like Joe Biden, we just missed the story the
(06:07):
first time around. They're only doing this not because they care,
but they do this because they see a division, and
I honestly want to just move on from this. The
president has been on a roll the AI news. The
Pittsburgh summit with my home state Senator Dave McCormick was
a rousing success that is not getting any attention this
(06:28):
week because they're now talking about this. So if I
were the president, you try to find a way out
of this to move on. Kind of punt and you
know I trust Dan Bongino and Cash Hotel.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
There you go. I think that's well said. Thank you
sir as always, Curtis Halk Media Research Center,
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