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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ej Antoni's with us. He's an economists at the Heritage Foundation.
I don't think it's our imagination, is it, ej. That
we have more and more Americans reliant on government aid
and more and more government aid coming for Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, Jamy, I think that's exactly right, and it's scary
just how much aid people can get. The reason it's
scary is not that we don't want to give people
a hand up, as you were saying earlier, but the
fact that it traps people on welfare forever. It puts
people in a situation where it actually incentivizes them to
never go back to work.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, you know, I mean just something really basic too.
Aid to family with dependent children a of DC is
what we used to call it here in Texas. The
more children you had out of wedlock, the more money
you got paid. Or right after the Biden administration takes over,
they suddenly what quadrupled the snap what was on snap cards?
(00:56):
All of a sudden, everybody was starving. I mean, is
those type of incremental things, and then once you give
them money out, you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Claw it back, right share exactly, you bring up a
great point where you essentially incentivize people not only to
never go back to work, but also to do things
that basically aren't very good for society, like having kids
out of wedlock. You know, the best environment to raise
children is in a two parent household, to have the
(01:26):
mother and the father present. But instead, what we have
done is created a financial incentive for these women to
have more children out of wedlock. Again, it's just not
good for the kids. Raising children in a fatherless home
is one of the best predictors of things like lifetime poverty,
drug use, even early death.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, I hate to say this, but that is
permeated so far into our society. Now, this whole idea
of having children out of wedlock, it's normal. It's become normal.
The majority of kids born in this country are out
of what They're not being born to married couples who
are necessarily living together. They're just being born to a
couple who may or may not get married somewhere down
(02:07):
the road.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Absolutely, Jimmy, that's one hundred percent correct. And again I
don't want to understate here just how much financial incentive
we have created for people to do this. And what's
really interesting is that there are a lot of issues
that have been demographic related. I guess you could say
where among certain groups those social ills were very present
(02:34):
many years ago. But as things like the out rock
birth rate have equalized across groups, you have seen those
differences between groups when it comes to those social ills
also equalized. In other words, it never had anything to
do with race, for example, what kinds of social outcomes
(02:54):
were likely to befall certain children. Instead, it had everything
to do with circumstance. And again, as we have created
financial incentives for those bad circumstances, they have increased among
all groups.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You disincentivize production, exploration, people discovering new things, progression of
a society when you do that.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, the thing drives me crazy about all this, though,
is the redundancy. We've got people who are who get
food stamp benefits, they get SNAP benefits, they have free
school lunch programs for the kids in the school. You know,
shouldn't there be one program.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The emergency room for healthcare.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Shouldn't there be one program to provide food to families,
not you know, three or four different programs that are
all providing free food.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, that's a great point, Jimmy, And you look at
Loudin County here, one of the bedroom communities of Washington,
d C. In just one program, a family can get
about thirty thousand dollars in rental assistance per year, and
that's per family. But on top of that, there are
two additional programs that you can get rental assistance from.
(04:06):
And so once you start adding all this up and
you figure that people can figure these things out and
they can double dip, you realize you can get a
pretty tarn good standard of living if you just live
off your fellow taxpayer.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You make yourself your entire society feeling like they're victims,
not just entitle but it's almost like, well, I'm a
victim and I need somebody to pay me back.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I'm owed this.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
One hundred percent. I think that's another really, really big problem.
And once you raise a generation under this kind of
welfare state, they get exactly that type of mentality. And
I think that's a big reason why it is so
difficult now to claw these programs back and to claw
back the spending.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, it becomes cyclical.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Ej.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Thanks for joining us. Good to have you on this morning.
Sir ej Antoni from the Heritage Foundation he's one of
their economists. Is fifty seven
Ej Antoni's with us. He's an economists at the Heritage Foundation.
I don't think it's our imagination, is it, ej. That
we have more and more Americans reliant on government aid
and more and more government aid coming for Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, Jamy, I think that's exactly right, and it's scary
just how much aid people can get. The reason it's
scary is not that we don't want to give people
a hand up, as you were saying earlier, but the
fact that it traps people on welfare forever. It puts
people in a situation where it actually incentivizes them to
never go back to work.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, you know, I mean just something really basic too.
Aid to family with dependent children a of DC is
what we used to call it here in Texas. The
more children you had out of wedlock, the more money
you got paid. Or right after the Biden administration takes over,
they suddenly what quadrupled the snap what was on snap cards?
(00:56):
All of a sudden, everybody was starving. I mean, is
those type of incremental things, and then once you give
them money out, you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Claw it back, right share exactly, you bring up a
great point where you essentially incentivize people not only to
never go back to work, but also to do things
that basically aren't very good for society, like having kids
out of wedlock. You know, the best environment to raise
children is in a two parent household, to have the
(01:26):
mother and the father present. But instead, what we have
done is created a financial incentive for these women to
have more children out of wedlock. Again, it's just not
good for the kids. Raising children in a fatherless home
is one of the best predictors of things like lifetime poverty,
drug use, even early death.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, I hate to say this, but that is
permeated so far into our society. Now, this whole idea
of having children out of wedlock, it's normal. It's become normal.
The majority of kids born in this country are out
of what They're not being born to married couples who
are necessarily living together. They're just being born to a
couple who may or may not get married somewhere down
(02:07):
the road.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Absolutely, Jimmy, that's one hundred percent correct. And again I
don't want to understate here just how much financial incentive
we have created for people to do this. And what's
really interesting is that there are a lot of issues
that have been demographic related. I guess you could say
where among certain groups those social ills were very present
(02:34):
many years ago. But as things like the out rock
birth rate have equalized across groups, you have seen those
differences between groups when it comes to those social ills
also equalized. In other words, it never had anything to
do with race, for example, what kinds of social outcomes
(02:54):
were likely to befall certain children. Instead, it had everything
to do with circumstance. And again, as we have created
financial incentives for those bad circumstances, they have increased among
all groups.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You disincentivize production, exploration, people discovering new things, progression of
a society when you do that.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, the thing drives me crazy about all this, though,
is the redundancy. We've got people who are who get
food stamp benefits, they get SNAP benefits, they have free
school lunch programs for the kids in the school. You know,
shouldn't there be one program.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The emergency room for healthcare.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Shouldn't there be one program to provide food to families,
not you know, three or four different programs that are
all providing free food.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, that's a great point, Jimmy, And you look at
Loudin County here, one of the bedroom communities of Washington,
d C. In just one program, a family can get
about thirty thousand dollars in rental assistance per year, and
that's per family. But on top of that, there are
two additional programs that you can get rental assistance from.
(04:06):
And so once you start adding all this up and
you figure that people can figure these things out and
they can double dip, you realize you can get a
pretty tarn good standard of living if you just live
off your fellow taxpayer.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You make yourself your entire society feeling like they're victims,
not just entitle but it's almost like, well, I'm a
victim and I need somebody to pay me back.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I'm owed this.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
One hundred percent. I think that's another really, really big problem.
And once you raise a generation under this kind of
welfare state, they get exactly that type of mentality. And
I think that's a big reason why it is so
difficult now to claw these programs back and to claw
back the spending.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, it becomes cyclical.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Ej.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Thanks for joining us. Good to have you on this morning.
Sir ej Antoni from the Heritage Foundation he's one of
their economists. Is fifty seven
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