Jonathan Gilliam - Former FBI Special Agent and Navy Seal Joins Houston's Morning News

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A man hunters over.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
He's been caught and he is dead.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
He is a Portuguese national forty eight years old who
evidently shot an MIT professor in addition to the shooting
at Brown University thanks to the testimony, if you will,
of a homeless man. Evidently that second person of interest
that they had snapshot Bob, he evidently heard of that
he had been on TV, contacted the police and gave

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them some much needed information that led to them tracking
this guy down. And again he took his own life
in a storage unit rather than face the law or
give us any real explanation of why he did, but
he did. Former FBI Special Agent in Navy Seal Jonathan
Gilliam joins us, You know, the Providence Police Department, Brown

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University Police department took a lot of criticism over this.
Going on five six days was seemingly without much of
any progress here as we look back, now, what do
you think of the police work they did in this case?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, I think the police work that they did was excellent,
but which this is typically the case, the briefings by
the executives and the city.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Officials was horrendous, even up through last night.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
The brief that they gave after this individual killed himself.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Was basically like.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
A pageant of everybody given speeches about how great they are,
and it was It's just terrible. We've got to get
past this where there's standards of how we give briefs
across this country, because if there's information that the public needs,
they're not getting it, and it's some of it's important
and could be helpful in solving crimes, and they're just
missing it because of all these executives. Meanwhile, all these

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detectives and police are out there busting the rear ends
on the street doing great work, and in this case,
a homeless individual.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know, was living for free.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I guess in the basement of this, of this school,
Brown University was more enough and coherent enough to give
the right advice that led to this capture or to
finding the body.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Now, what do we make of the suspect himself. He
has killed himself, So the chances of us unless he
left some sort of manifesto, and I have not heard
that he did, we may never find out exactly why
he did what he did. But you take a look
at who is targeted in this and you kind of
have to wonder This is going to sound weird job
of then, but you think there's any possibility that jealousy
was involved in this. This is a guy who went

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to school at Brown University like twenty four twenty five
years ago and dropped out, and the guy he killed
at MIT is a well known, highly successful professor in
the field. This guy wanted to be in that he
also had gone to school with in Portugal. Evidently, I
just have to kind of wonder if these people were
targets because this guy didn't turn out to be the

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success he wanted to be.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I mean, it could be jealousy, it could be delusional,
but he definitely knew the professor that he killed. He
definitely went to that school at some period. Whether or
not he knew people in that classroom is still yet
to be seen, but it appears, you know, from the
video footage that we've the limited footage that we've seen,
that he was He didn't just rush into that building.

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He waited for periods of time and then he went
in there. So the possibility that he knew somebody or
something about somebody in there is plausible.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So I think they may be able.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
To connect these dots if if there's enough of an
online presence and they're able to find enough evidence about
his background and the connections between these people. I think
that we may be able to see some intent or motivation,
but it could also just be the the guy's delusional
and the people that you know, the place where he's

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been in, the person that he knows fell victim to that.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I think time will tell.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You think all the information eventually comes out on this one,
because it feels like they haven't been completely forthcoming with
the information they have. We never have seen a bit
coming out of that classroom that supposedly exists with what
he was shouting in the classroom.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, and I I listen to I think all the
information will come out. It's a fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It really depends on.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Who's in charge of this because and how fast the
news cycle runs, because once people forget about it, they
don't continue to hope for that information or press for it.
So that's you know, good good police work. I think
the information is there, the public could be given. I
just think law enforcement needs to realize that the public
is a force multiplier and if they stop treating the

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public like they're helpless idiots, and start using them as
as sound sources to find information. I think things could
change in this country greatly.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
That's a great point, Mary Christmas. Jonathan, thanks for joining us.
We appreciate it. Former FTI Special Agent the Navy cal
Jonathan Gilliam