Jonathan Saenz - Texas Values Joins Houston's Morning News

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, this little Lord Jesus is in a barbed wire
cage at this United Methodist church in Dallas. What the
heck is going on here? Jonathan, since joins us with
Texas Values, And Jonathan, here's the part. As somebody who
was raised a Methodist, I'm looking at this going what
happened to the Methodist Church? This is I'm sure this

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is not true of all United Methodist churches, is it? Or?
Or are we finding more and more that certain denominations
are becoming more and more liberal.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, look, Jimmy, it's excuse me. It's good to be
with you, and I really appreciate being on the show
this morning, because this is a scandalous wayward church that
has a history of pushing back against their own denomination.
A few years ago they ordained a gay member of

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their clergy, and when they were told by their bishop
that was not a part of their denominations believes you know, now,
the Methodist Church in many ways has voted to go
in that direction in the past year or so, but
at the time they had not. This is a scandalous use,
in a cheap publicity stunt on behalf of this church,

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using something as precious and central to the Christian faith
as Christmas and the Manger scene to gain political points.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But that's how.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Desperate some people are. Unfortunately, because they're losing the public
perception battle, they're losing the debate amongst the public and
within Christians, you know, because what we know what's going
on is we're simply enforcing our border laws, just like
Obama did, just like Biden did. Now President Trump is
being more firm about them, whereas the Biden administration and

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the Obama administration, where you know, sometimes they would enforce them,
sometimes they would not, but they were deporting people at
high numbers as well. Biden, Obama was, and Trump was
just getting more news because they're being or clear and firm.
And you cannot have public safety when you have laws
that are enforced sometimes and to times there's not. What

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that means is that bad people take advantage of those.
And look, the Christian and Christmas time that we're in
is about hope, it's about the future, it's about a savior,
it's about something that's so fundamental to our Christian faith,
and it's not about people's misinterpretation of how we should
enforce our border laws.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I'm just noticing from the video too of this
church that they have they have rainbow steps going up
to this altar where this where the sign is for
their Nativity scene. So yeah, they're pretty out there. I'm
surprised though, if they are going against the teachings of
the Methodist Church, how is it that they are still
the Methodist Church. Don't they normally take those you know,

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take those types of churches and say, well, you can't
be can't be part of our faith anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, look, I mean this church has a history of
causing controversy with their own denomination and going against.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Why haven't they been kicked out?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, well, look it's a good question, and I'll tell
you this. People are deciding on their own to leave
the Methodist denomination or to split from them because they're
not following what the Bible says about this thing. They're
not actually living in demonstrating a Christian life, and so
you know, they're becoming really more of a political organization

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in many ways. Your point about the rainbow, you know,
painted on their steps was their way of pushing back
against the fact federal and state law make it clear
what we've always known that there's a difference between male
and female, and we have to put that in law
now just so people start stop acting like there's some
type of difference. We know this in Houston right. This

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issue came up with the bathroom more thans in twenty
fourteen that the people voted down that in the East,
Parker pushed. And so you have a church where you
the expectation is they would be following what the Bible
says about these things. They care more about politics than
they do about what their own career faith says. And
look at Texas values. We work on these issues a lot.
We know that there are attacks on Christmas every year.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's what this is.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
This is not just simply their opposition to our federal
laws being enforced, which we have every right to do.
This is them attacking Christmas and really misusing it in
a way that all Christians should be ashamed to see.
And you know, we work on protecting Christmas every year
at our nonprofit organization. That's what we're doing now. There

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are other issues across the state. We have state laws
on this to say that you have a right to
display these things. But I think it's important they got
the attention they wanted. Sadly, and you can understand why.
But I think it's important for people to see to
communicate their disagreement with this and to recognize what it
is a desperate, cheap attempt to get attention on a

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matter that they're actually losing. The majority of people believe
we should be enforcing our laws at the border. When
you see what happened to the young girl, Joscelyn and
other we know there are bad people on the streets
because our border laws, our immigration laws are we're not
being enforced before they are now and you're going to
see a big difference.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
All right, Jonathan, thank you, Merry Christmas, appreciate your time.
That's Jonathan signs Texas Values at seven twenty seven and
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