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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So it turns out that the analyst who crafted that
corrupted Intelligence Community Assessment report on Russia meddling in the
twenty sixteen presidential election on behalf of former CIA director
John Brennan. They're still active at the CIA. Join us
to talk about is Kyle Seriffin, former FBI agent in
federal whistleblower Kyle I would you would think with the
(00:20):
incoming Trump administration they'd be gone. But is there a
good reason why they're still there? Because I know they've
gone ahead and charged Brennan, and they're charging call me
and maybe these guys are expert wit uses they want
to keep on the payroll long enough to testify against
those two.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, the story that we're hearing is that they're actually
they're being investigated. So there was an announcement of an investigation,
which is a little confusing for those of us to
follow news because usually what you do is you announced
exactly what we said, a charge, an indictment, you announced
the arrest. You don't really investigate that you're opening or
you don't announce that you're opening an investigation. And that
kind of leads me to believe this is mostly theater. Now,
(00:56):
why people are still sitting there. It's actually pretty straightforward.
They don't call it an administrative state or a deep
state for nothing. The people that run these agencies are
still there, and rarely are they the top people. Those
are the guys that gives leadership and direction. So guys
and gals at name in director positions or administrative positions,
they may be the top person nominally, but the folks
(01:17):
that actually run the nuts and bolts of an FBI
of a CIA are a couple of steps below, and
they run individual programs, and they report up and they
brief on and that's why why you get these folks
coming out and making statements at the end of the day.
We actually used to know this in Western civilization, that
you can't actually have people that are antithetical to your views,
that don't actually work under your leadership. Well, they used
(01:39):
to either execute or exile people, and that goes back
five hundred years, maybe six hundred years of state crafts
in our modern society were much more evolved, were much
more civil, So we don't kick people out of government.
We let them sit around for multiple terms under the
idea that they're loyal as Americans, their loyalty as the
constitution and not to any institution, but everything we have
(02:00):
is proven otherwise. These people that work inside the intelligence communities,
high estimates would say something like eighty percent of them
are loyal to what they do, and not the people
that are in office telling them in the political role
that step in from the new executive.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So it sounds like what you're saying is we're banking
the assumption or somebody who's making the assumption that the
only reason why these people did what they did is
because there was a democrat in power, and now that
there's a Republican empower, they won't be that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is the song that I've been singing for quite
a while now. It's pretty obvious when you work inside there. Look,
the attitude is is when you see people retire from
an FBI, when you see people retire from the CIA
in an administrative function, they've been there for thirty five years,
they've been there for forty two years, they get a
retirement party, and everybody knows who they are in the
entire building, and so they last well beyond. I mean,
(02:47):
that's what these states. Sounds like a sexy term, but
in reality, administrative state is more accurate. And what it
means is people that outlast every single political administration because
they're not operating politically per se, but that doesn't mean
that they're not operating in their own interests, and their
own interests are going to outlast any single eight year
executive turn that comes in and tries to turn the table.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, well, that tells me there's absolutely no fear within
that so called deep state or as you say, administrative state,
of either being caught, but if you are caught, there's
no fear being punished.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, and then even more to that, you people can
go and review the Office of the Inspector General reports
and there's some for the Intel agencies, and there's obviously
some of the FBI as well. DJ has their own OIG,
and when you go read it, what happens is is
people will be involved in even criminal malfeasons. A lot
of times it's character issues or they'll do things that
are you know, that you just can't fathom they're doing,
whether it be sexual malfeasans, whether it be you know,
(03:41):
misuse of their government job, whether you know, so on
and so forth, it doesn't matter. And when they go
and the investigate their standard is going to always be
what is the preponderance of the evidence, which is usually
the same thing, not for criminal but for civil in
the United States, and they're recommended for termination and prosecution.
DJ always declines to prosecute, and the person's able to
retire and walk away with their pension. And by the way,
(04:02):
their name is never revealed as the target of the investigation,
so they don't even they're not even publicly shamed. So
they go get out a nice high paying jobs somewhere
in the information industrial complex, which is kind of the
military industrial complex for the Intel Agency. They have this
big tech and big security that exists out there in
the world. So they go out and they land on
their feet and they're fine, and so no one's never
(04:23):
really punished for it, so they're encouraged to continue acting
this way.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you think the James Coming or John Brennan will
end up being punnished for all this or not?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Absolutely not. I don't think those guys lost the wink
to sleep. I think that they fit into the kind
of the political royalty class. I don't think that this
is all theater. A lot of this, I think is
trying to distract from what happened with the steam file
rollout in the attempt to shut down that investigation real quietly.
I think this was a panic moment where they said, well,
let's announce we're doing something to people think that we're
trying to hold folks accountable, because that was completely mishandled
(04:52):
and rolled out on a Sunday night through a leak
at Axios, which, by the way, you haven't hurt anybody
being yelled at for leaking, which means it was intentional.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Don't want to admit it, Okay, thank you, sir, appreciate it.
Kyle Serafin, former FBI agent and federal whistleblowers six twenty
seven
So it turns out that the analyst who crafted that
corrupted Intelligence Community Assessment report on Russia meddling in the
twenty sixteen presidential election on behalf of former CIA director
John Brennan. They're still active at the CIA. Join us
to talk about is Kyle Seriffin, former FBI agent in
federal whistleblower Kyle I would you would think with the
(00:20):
incoming Trump administration they'd be gone. But is there a
good reason why they're still there? Because I know they've
gone ahead and charged Brennan, and they're charging call me
and maybe these guys are expert wit uses they want
to keep on the payroll long enough to testify against
those two.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, the story that we're hearing is that they're actually
they're being investigated. So there was an announcement of an investigation,
which is a little confusing for those of us to
follow news because usually what you do is you announced
exactly what we said, a charge, an indictment, you announced
the arrest. You don't really investigate that you're opening or
you don't announce that you're opening an investigation. And that
kind of leads me to believe this is mostly theater. Now,
(00:56):
why people are still sitting there. It's actually pretty straightforward.
They don't call it an administrative state or a deep
state for nothing. The people that run these agencies are
still there, and rarely are they the top people. Those
are the guys that gives leadership and direction. So guys
and gals at name in director positions or administrative positions,
they may be the top person nominally, but the folks
(01:17):
that actually run the nuts and bolts of an FBI
of a CIA are a couple of steps below, and
they run individual programs, and they report up and they
brief on and that's why why you get these folks
coming out and making statements at the end of the day.
We actually used to know this in Western civilization, that
you can't actually have people that are antithetical to your views,
that don't actually work under your leadership. Well, they used
(01:39):
to either execute or exile people, and that goes back
five hundred years, maybe six hundred years of state crafts
in our modern society were much more evolved, were much
more civil, So we don't kick people out of government.
We let them sit around for multiple terms under the
idea that they're loyal as Americans, their loyalty as the
constitution and not to any institution, but everything we have
(02:00):
is proven otherwise. These people that work inside the intelligence communities,
high estimates would say something like eighty percent of them
are loyal to what they do, and not the people
that are in office telling them in the political role
that step in from the new executive.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So it sounds like what you're saying is we're banking
the assumption or somebody who's making the assumption that the
only reason why these people did what they did is
because there was a democrat in power, and now that
there's a Republican empower, they won't be that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is the song that I've been singing for quite
a while now. It's pretty obvious when you work inside there. Look,
the attitude is is when you see people retire from
an FBI, when you see people retire from the CIA
in an administrative function, they've been there for thirty five years,
they've been there for forty two years, they get a
retirement party, and everybody knows who they are in the
entire building, and so they last well beyond. I mean,
(02:47):
that's what these states. Sounds like a sexy term, but
in reality, administrative state is more accurate. And what it
means is people that outlast every single political administration because
they're not operating politically per se, but that doesn't mean
that they're not operating in their own interests, and their
own interests are going to outlast any single eight year
executive turn that comes in and tries to turn the table.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, well, that tells me there's absolutely no fear within
that so called deep state or as you say, administrative state,
of either being caught, but if you are caught, there's
no fear being punished.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, and then even more to that, you people can
go and review the Office of the Inspector General reports
and there's some for the Intel agencies, and there's obviously
some of the FBI as well. DJ has their own OIG,
and when you go read it, what happens is is
people will be involved in even criminal malfeasons. A lot
of times it's character issues or they'll do things that
are you know, that you just can't fathom they're doing,
whether it be sexual malfeasans, whether it be you know,
(03:41):
misuse of their government job, whether you know, so on
and so forth, it doesn't matter. And when they go
and the investigate their standard is going to always be
what is the preponderance of the evidence, which is usually
the same thing, not for criminal but for civil in
the United States, and they're recommended for termination and prosecution.
DJ always declines to prosecute, and the person's able to
retire and walk away with their pension. And by the way,
(04:02):
their name is never revealed as the target of the investigation,
so they don't even they're not even publicly shamed. So
they go get out a nice high paying jobs somewhere
in the information industrial complex, which is kind of the
military industrial complex for the Intel Agency. They have this
big tech and big security that exists out there in
the world. So they go out and they land on
their feet and they're fine, and so no one's never
(04:23):
really punished for it, so they're encouraged to continue acting
this way.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you think the James Coming or John Brennan will
end up being punnished for all this or not?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Absolutely not. I don't think those guys lost the wink
to sleep. I think that they fit into the kind
of the political royalty class. I don't think that this
is all theater. A lot of this, I think is
trying to distract from what happened with the steam file
rollout in the attempt to shut down that investigation real quietly.
I think this was a panic moment where they said, well,
let's announce we're doing something to people think that we're
trying to hold folks accountable, because that was completely mishandled
(04:52):
and rolled out on a Sunday night through a leak
at Axios, which, by the way, you haven't hurt anybody
being yelled at for leaking, which means it was intentional.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Don't want to admit it, Okay, thank you, sir, appreciate it.
Kyle Serafin, former FBI agent and federal whistleblowers six twenty
seven
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