November 25, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden joins The Michael Berry Show to discuss her book Dangerous Misinformation, the fight over COVID treatments, and what she learned about health, resilience, and speaking out.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying
to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings
and beads. There are just things people keep trying to
bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a is a reminder
as to why we should not. We still don't have
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all the information. We still have not revealed all the misinformation.
We still have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly,
we still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.
Mary Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh, I
did not realize. Did you see the name of the book,
How Michael Barry Changed My Life?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Wow? That is really nice. Mary Tally, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I said, that's okay, I just won't read it.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say
it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back
to the first time you were on.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You told Ramona it was August of twenty one. It
was not.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a
big deal yet. And I had you on because I
saw a video of you that described self described you
as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attract active woman,
doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I
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like her already. And then I had you on and
we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and
you told me afterwards that everybody said I.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Was mean to you. Does any of that jog your memory?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, Well, don't take this the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But as you were, well, I, I mean, I honestly
had no idea who you were.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't think I ever listened to No.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the
fact that I was not political at all. Like I
had never turned on an AM radio talk show in
my life, and I did not realize what I was
getting myself.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Into when I talked to you and then.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on
for three hours and I had act never done an
interview like that. I'd never done a live interview.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I was not.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Political, so I didn't know what I was getting myself into.
But I am very grateful Michael.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular
with people. He really likes. That just means he really
likes you. And it is Oh, okay, if that's what
that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey.
So you went from being a very successful doctor with
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your own.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What was it oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? What is
it called.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Total laryngology?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you
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at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And you did what.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little
bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis
and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating respiratory infections,
that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients
started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what
we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of
used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have
the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared
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of getting sick, so I just let people in. And
at first, you know, I wasn't. I was pretty mainstream.
I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they
weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of
monoclona antibodies. It became harder and harder to get, and
so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was
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very diligent about making sure it was safe before using it,
because of all the controversy, and what I found is
I was still able to keep people out of the
hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was seeing
that these COVID shots were not working. And at the
time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. I
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had privileges there, but only as a backstop as ear
nose and throat. I do outpatient surgery, never used the hospital,
and I was actually collaborating with them on research. But
when I saw that these shots weren't working, and as
Methodists was the first hospital in the country to mandate
the shots, and that was five months before Biden. They
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paved the way for the rest of the country. It
was a big deal. So I started seeing that these
shots weren't working because I was testing people and I
saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated were
just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out to them,
I said, Hey, what's going on. They gas lipped me.
They said, oh, it just lowers the severity. Well, I
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started speaking out on social media and that was my
fatal mistake, and they came after me very publicly, very harshly.
They suspended my privileges and I found out about it
from the media. I found out about it from a
reporter at the Houston Chronicle. So it just upended my
life very quickly. I had people from CNN watching them posts,
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I had people screaming at me from Australia and calling
me all sorts of names, and I just decided to
fight back. And I'm grateful to you because you really
you were the first to give me a voice and
help me in that fight.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As methodists began to attack you, as your credibility was attacked,
as people who never met you, whenever your patient knew
nothing about your body of work began to say and
do horrible things related to you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What sustained you through that period, well the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not
so hard. And seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything
that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand.
And when you treat albums of patients with the same
disease and a very short period of time, you quickly
become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor.
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.
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And so I was very confident in what I was doing.
I was seeing results. I was keeping people out of
the hospital, and I was telling the truth. And when
you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty,
but they put you through.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But we're going to talk about what we have learned
from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and
the Lies. Mary tallybode doctor Mary tallybot our guest coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The Michael Berry Show. It's Mary Tally, not Mary Jane.
It's totally different. It would be cool if it was okay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,
The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,
with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably
five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients,
and you would be one of those five. You've been
on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talking
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about what happened and what happened to you. Let's start
with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which you
were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. You
talked about ivermectin going back and knowing what we know.
Now you are king for a day and you get
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to announce this is what we're going to do to
treat COVID.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What would you do?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'll get it and give it to small babies.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
A monoclonal antivizer an option Ivermectin worked very well, and yeah,
a lot of times you'd have to use in combination
with other medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that
was a big one. I mean, the hospitals would not
even allow patients to get breathing treatments. I talked to
somebody yesterday who was in the hospital and he would
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sneak into his bathroom while he was in the hospital
and give himself breathing treatments and tell the nurses he
was taking a shower.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, how absurd is that.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people
in the front lines and people actually treating COVID patients
more say in the matter. I mean, they were dictating
standard of care over zoom calls. You know, government officials
who had no firsthand experience actually treating these patients.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I look at the most.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Common lab abnormality I find is a low vitamin D,
and the lab will tell you it needs to be
above thirty, but optimally you want it to be above fifty.
And people that are even taking supplements are often under fifty,
so that I would say that's sort of the most
the biggest thing in terms of keeping your immune system healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D
is to strengthen your immune system, right right.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Okay, I'm also you know I knew this before, but
you know sugar, you know, infections love sugar, so like
managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan
of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You don't have to do it for the rest.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Of your life, but it really it helps you break
down fat. And you know the carbohydrates, the sugar infections
just feed on that. So keeping your weight under control
and limiting your sugar intake is big.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But let me ask you this, and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because I've
seen it. Is it possible to be on the carnivore
diet without posting about it fifty eight.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Times per day? Does it still work?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know, can you still do it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that
there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication
that costs twelve hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So that's my past.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you
went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've
opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a
fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people,
if we're being honest, most people don't have your level
of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed
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the weight or not willing. Let me say that not
willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semaglutide category has
been a godsend to them because sure, what you're doing
is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most
people are not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I
mean it's a bit hard at first because the sugar
cravings are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly
and you're you know, I would bring bacon to work.
I would eat bacon all day and eat steak and eggs.
And it was shocking to me because that just sort
of goes against what we've been told this whole time,
that you know fat is bad for you. You actually
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use fat as energy instead of sugar, and it's amazing.
It's very good for your brain too. You can focus better.
They're using it now for mental illness, to treat mental illness.
I use it for treating seizures. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think it's work.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what
I was just I was shocked by the results and
so I was able to maintain it. I was very
strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because
I got to the point where I had to keep
buying new clothes and I was it was I didn't
want to lose any more weight. So I'm not strict
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about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
For somebody that does want to try it. Was there
a particular book or site that you used as a guideline.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry.
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change. How important in
all of that is diet And what are the other
aspects of diet that you now are advising that are
not within your original core competency.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Well, I honestly think managing your way is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It leads to high blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
It's fundamental, And yeah, I think we basically covered My
big approach is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can,
and then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise.
I think is the best thing you can do for
your mental health. You never regret exercising when you do it,
you never want to do it, but when you're done,
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you're so you're so glad you did it right. You
just have to remember that every time you're not wanting
to exercise. But I think it's the best thing you
can do for your mental health and relieving stress and
sleeping better.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's very basic, and.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly,
you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes
from life lessons more than anything.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I follow so many wellness folks, doctors, many not and
the consistency of cholesterol is.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Not your enemy, meets not your enemy.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary
Tally Boden is our guests will continue our conversation coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.
Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Doctor Mary Tally Boden.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment, and
the lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally.
When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine, trying
to heal people, which is supposed to be your calling,
was subjecting you to professional and personal problems. Real I
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don't recall anybody attacked like this, maybe Jack of Orkian
doctor death that that may be the only person I've
ever seen attacked in this manner to the extent.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That you were.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting a chat, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready.
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity
that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state
medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know,
saying the things that I was saying. And initially I
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was fairly conservative. And what I said compared to what
I say now, I mean, I said vaccine mandates are
wrong and iber mechin works, and that's that's I said
that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble.
So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's basically, yeah, I
treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand
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scheme of things, I was nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was you know, I was just just.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I really make a dent and things, and but Houston
Methodists went after me so publicly that it just launched
me into the public eye. And then at that point
I felt like I had no choice but to fight
back very.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many
people know exactly how bad it got for you. And
there were moments there where you thought you would lose
your ability to practice medicine.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
The Medical Board has.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Been after me for four years now and involves a patient,
Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father of six. He was
dying in the hospital Texas Hugiley Hospital in Fort Worth.
His wife sued the hospital because they refused to allow
him to try ibermacton as a last ditch effort.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
They were talking hospice.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I testified. I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and
we won the case. The court was ordered to grant
me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, A nurse shows
up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. She's greeted
by the police and they turned me into the Medical Board,
saying that I sent a nurse into the hospital without privilege.
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Is the patient never was allowed to get the ivermectin.
He did make it out of the hospital, but he
was never able to fully recover and he passed away.
And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas
is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is
bittersweet for me because yes, it should be over the counter.
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But you know, there's so many people that you had.
This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the
hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to
access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened.
And that that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
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medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging this
out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing
once they're there. I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So
they determined that I was guilty because I sent up
nurse to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and
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now I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that
point I will have to appeal further.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the belief being
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that the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the
reason for it. You've talked a lot about spike proteins.
Can you explain what is going on there?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely, with.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
No stop button. So the COVID.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way
to measure spike protein in the body, at least the
one that's available to the public. So what I've been
looking at is spike protein and a body levels, and
it's a little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is
very concerning because the patients that have gotten the COVID shots,
and this is just my patience. It's almost two hundred
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patients I've looked at the average level is ten times
higher the antibody level than patients that did not get
never got the COVID shot, And this is four years
after the fact, and most of these people got two,
maybe three shots, and many of these patients the level
is so high that it exceeds the upper limit of
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a test, which is twenty five thousand. So this average
that I'm seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen
thousand in the patients have got the shot is actually
an underestimation because we don't know how high some of
these patients are going. And then patients that did not
get the shots, the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.
It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research,
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and we need the NIH to help us with that
research because there's just not enough people willing to even
acknowledge that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
There might be a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Did how many times you think you used the term
spike protein before COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Never? Absolutely not?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, never, It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand.
My brother had to take the shot to continue being
a police officer. He did not want to take the shot,
and he dies shortly thereafter. And obviously I'm very bitter
about that. Reading about Jason Jones. I saw a post
you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously,
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as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin,
and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over
the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very,
very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not not
by neglect, but by will because people refused to allow
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the treatments that were being proven to work. And that
makes me anger, angry, and bitter on a level that
is not healthy I can relate.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's basically politics over.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Science, and it's it's bizarre to me that. I mean,
it's great to see that more and more states are
making iromectin over the counter, but they're treating it like
the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibmectin. If
it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly,
we need the FDA just to make make the drug
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over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.
It's safer than than antibiotics, it's safer than tailanlu and
patients are going to the feed store to get their medication,
which at this point I think it must be safe
because you would be hearing otherwise. But this is America.
We should not be going We should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications. So
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I really hope that the FDA will put science over
politics and just make it over the counter.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
to every American. I mean a lot of dirty things
were revealed out of all of this dangerous misinformation, the virus,
of treatment and the lies.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Mary Taly Boden is our guess. Damn it all right?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
This is Mark Chestnut and jar Bizar of talk radio.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh it's very in Spanish. No, I had no idea.
That's just weird. That's just weird.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You could have done doctor, doctor, You could have done
all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts
of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the
first name and derivations of the first thing. That's weird,
very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have
done this? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,
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and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, the doctor, author, a
celebrity guest of huge programs, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,
tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell
you how many people they think we're like big buddies.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They send messages, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
My god, your girl Mary Tally Boden is on Tucker
Carlson and she's doing great. I don't know if they
thought you were gonna flop or what. Talk about that.
How was that experience?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
is given to my kids because people are now saying, oh,
your mom was on Joe Rogan. So that that has
been nice for the kids because they they had to
sort of hide who their mother was for a few years.
And I will say, like Tucker Carlson is is very
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authentic and very candid. He told me things I couldn't
believe he was telling me off air.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting, Joe Rogan,
you would have no idea where a studio is.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's in this like non descript sort of warehouse looking.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thing in Austin.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to uh,
Tucker and I brought another kid to Rogan, and now
I got to get two more kids to two other shows.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh. But you know the best part of it was
was the.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Kids and having having them have some pride in their
mother because what they're hearing from other people.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really
amplified your message dramatically.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or
anything like that. I mean, it's just, you know, it's
been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort
of huge explosion.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have
through all of this, going back to the day before
you got involved.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean, it has taken as tall.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I am exhausted, and if you know, i'd been giving.
If I'd been given a choice, I don't know that
I would have chosen this. But I mean I've learned
a lot and I'm a lot stronger. I mean I
used to hate public speaking, and I was I'm pretty
introverted and so I've been forced to use my voice,
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and yeah, I feel like I can help people by
speaking out. And so, yeah, it hasn't been great, but
I wouldn't I wouldn't change it at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think we all have purpose in life, and some
of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that
purpose changes with each season in life.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But I think you met your moment, and.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think maybe you never expected to be in the
situations where you ended up, and yet you rose to
the occasion in a way you probably never could.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Have guessed you would summon that level.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Of strength, and that has to be that has to
be a pretty cool experience to look back on that.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.
It just kind of happened.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Strengthened me in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I
would just encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you
speak the truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing,
it's it's difficult. But after going through a very low point,
I feel like I'm going you know, I'm rising now.
I'm still in survival mode, but I do have I
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have one win I did.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I sued the f.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
D A in one but we have we still have
so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want
I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, and and that brings us to the next thing
in what your life looks like and where you see
that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously
you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I
get emails from folks who say they can't get an
appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.
(30:02):
She has her political side and she has her medical side.
What does that look like for you in the near
and long term?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,
I mean, continue to practice. I think that's key because
it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on.
I am going to.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Do a weekly podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming
on after her show, it's going to be called on
Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus
on answering questions because.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I'm sure you can relate.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
My dms on social media are just flooded with people
with questions and requests, and I just can't keep.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Up with it. So I see this as a way, okay,
I can.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I can answer the questions that that the most people
have and get get it all done once a week
and give people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing
people on this other podcast platform called America out Loud News,
and I find it very gratifying because, like you, you
gave me a voice and it really was helpful. And
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so I like giving other people a voice when they've
been you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them
a chance to share their story.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I find that very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And when will that begin?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It'll be on Wednesdays.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Is it on call c a l L or c
a w L because that's the national dish of Wales.
It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I
think it would be awesome if you did it as
on call and people tune in and they think they're
going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about
how to make the best Welsh stew. Now that would
be very normal Donald.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I had that. That is the first I've heard.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Of that, so give it some thought, give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I could see you being big and Cardiff and it's
a whole new audience for you. You know, there's if
you've been to Wales, it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
No I haven't wells.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It is like parts of Colorado that have no industry,
no business, no hardly anything, just a little resort shop
there where you hire some guide to go for a hike.
And I could see that being I could see that
being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh others.
There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never
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never acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's that That would be.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
The memory of Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Bow
and I am so proud to call you my friend.
You are really and I know you don't take well
to compliments. You're like Chad Knakanishi, but you really are
a hero. What you have done the people you have saved,
and the voice you have found, and your willingness to
continue to fight and show people to fight the way
(33:00):
Trump did after he got shot in the head. It's
incredibly inspiring. The book is dangerous misinformation by it today,
the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Thank you, my dear,
Thank you for spending an hour with us.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Thank you, Michael Ramon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Do you know what that would cost if we'd gone
into her clinic? It did have been on our show
and there would have been needles involved.
It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying
to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings
and beads. There are just things people keep trying to
bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a is a reminder
as to why we should not. We still don't have
(00:52):
all the information. We still have not revealed all the misinformation.
We still have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly,
we still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.
Mary Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh, I
did not realize. Did you see the name of the book,
How Michael Barry Changed My Life?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Wow? That is really nice. Mary Tally, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And I said, that's okay, I just won't read it.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say
it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back
to the first time you were on.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You told Ramona it was August of twenty one. It
was not.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a
big deal yet. And I had you on because I
saw a video of you that described self described you
as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attract active woman,
doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I
(02:06):
like her already. And then I had you on and
we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and
you told me afterwards that everybody said I.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Was mean to you. Does any of that jog your memory?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, Well, don't take this the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But as you were, well, I, I mean, I honestly
had no idea who you were.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't think I ever listened to No.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the
fact that I was not political at all. Like I
had never turned on an AM radio talk show in
my life, and I did not realize what I was
getting myself.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Into when I talked to you and then.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on
for three hours and I had act never done an
interview like that. I'd never done a live interview.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I was not.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Political, so I didn't know what I was getting myself into.
But I am very grateful Michael.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular
with people. He really likes. That just means he really
likes you. And it is Oh, okay, if that's what
that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey.
So you went from being a very successful doctor with
(03:29):
your own.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What was it oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? What is
it called.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Total laryngology?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you
(04:01):
at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And you did what.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little
bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis
and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating respiratory infections,
that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients
started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what
we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of
used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have
the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared
(04:54):
of getting sick, so I just let people in. And
at first, you know, I wasn't. I was pretty mainstream.
I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they
weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of
monoclona antibodies. It became harder and harder to get, and
so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was
(05:15):
very diligent about making sure it was safe before using it,
because of all the controversy, and what I found is
I was still able to keep people out of the
hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was seeing
that these COVID shots were not working. And at the
time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. I
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had privileges there, but only as a backstop as ear
nose and throat. I do outpatient surgery, never used the hospital,
and I was actually collaborating with them on research. But
when I saw that these shots weren't working, and as
Methodists was the first hospital in the country to mandate
the shots, and that was five months before Biden. They
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paved the way for the rest of the country. It
was a big deal. So I started seeing that these
shots weren't working because I was testing people and I
saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated were
just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out to them,
I said, Hey, what's going on. They gas lipped me.
They said, oh, it just lowers the severity. Well, I
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started speaking out on social media and that was my
fatal mistake, and they came after me very publicly, very harshly.
They suspended my privileges and I found out about it
from the media. I found out about it from a
reporter at the Houston Chronicle. So it just upended my
life very quickly. I had people from CNN watching them posts,
(06:42):
I had people screaming at me from Australia and calling
me all sorts of names, and I just decided to
fight back. And I'm grateful to you because you really
you were the first to give me a voice and
help me in that fight.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As methodists began to attack you, as your credibility was attacked,
as people who never met you, whenever your patient knew
nothing about your body of work began to say and
do horrible things related to you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What sustained you through that period, well the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not
so hard. And seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything
that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand.
And when you treat albums of patients with the same
disease and a very short period of time, you quickly
become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor.
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.
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And so I was very confident in what I was doing.
I was seeing results. I was keeping people out of
the hospital, and I was telling the truth. And when
you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty,
but they put you through.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But we're going to talk about what we have learned
from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and
the Lies. Mary tallybode doctor Mary tallybot our guest coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The Michael Berry Show. It's Mary Tally, not Mary Jane.
It's totally different. It would be cool if it was okay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,
The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,
with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably
five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients,
and you would be one of those five. You've been
on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talking
(09:01):
about what happened and what happened to you. Let's start
with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which you
were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. You
talked about ivermectin going back and knowing what we know.
Now you are king for a day and you get
(09:21):
to announce this is what we're going to do to
treat COVID.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What would you do?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'll get it and give it to small babies.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
A monoclonal antivizer an option Ivermectin worked very well, and yeah,
a lot of times you'd have to use in combination
with other medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that
was a big one. I mean, the hospitals would not
even allow patients to get breathing treatments. I talked to
somebody yesterday who was in the hospital and he would
(10:08):
sneak into his bathroom while he was in the hospital
and give himself breathing treatments and tell the nurses he
was taking a shower.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, how absurd is that.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people
in the front lines and people actually treating COVID patients
more say in the matter. I mean, they were dictating
standard of care over zoom calls. You know, government officials
who had no firsthand experience actually treating these patients.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I look at the most.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Common lab abnormality I find is a low vitamin D,
and the lab will tell you it needs to be
above thirty, but optimally you want it to be above fifty.
And people that are even taking supplements are often under fifty,
so that I would say that's sort of the most
the biggest thing in terms of keeping your immune system healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D
is to strengthen your immune system, right right.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Okay, I'm also you know I knew this before, but
you know sugar, you know, infections love sugar, so like
managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan
of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
You don't have to do it for the rest.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Of your life, but it really it helps you break
down fat. And you know the carbohydrates, the sugar infections
just feed on that. So keeping your weight under control
and limiting your sugar intake is big.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But let me ask you this, and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because I've
seen it. Is it possible to be on the carnivore
diet without posting about it fifty eight.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Times per day? Does it still work?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know, can you still do it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that
there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication
that costs twelve hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So that's my past.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you
went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've
opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a
fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people,
if we're being honest, most people don't have your level
of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed
(12:56):
the weight or not willing. Let me say that not
willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semaglutide category has
been a godsend to them because sure, what you're doing
is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most
people are not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I
mean it's a bit hard at first because the sugar
cravings are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly
and you're you know, I would bring bacon to work.
I would eat bacon all day and eat steak and eggs.
And it was shocking to me because that just sort
of goes against what we've been told this whole time,
that you know fat is bad for you. You actually
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use fat as energy instead of sugar, and it's amazing.
It's very good for your brain too. You can focus better.
They're using it now for mental illness, to treat mental illness.
I use it for treating seizures. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I think it's work.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what
I was just I was shocked by the results and
so I was able to maintain it. I was very
strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because
I got to the point where I had to keep
buying new clothes and I was it was I didn't
want to lose any more weight. So I'm not strict
(14:11):
about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
For somebody that does want to try it. Was there
a particular book or site that you used as a guideline.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry.
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change. How important in
all of that is diet And what are the other
aspects of diet that you now are advising that are
not within your original core competency.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Well, I honestly think managing your way is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It leads to high blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
It's fundamental, And yeah, I think we basically covered My
big approach is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can,
and then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise.
I think is the best thing you can do for
your mental health. You never regret exercising when you do it,
you never want to do it, but when you're done,
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you're so you're so glad you did it right. You
just have to remember that every time you're not wanting
to exercise. But I think it's the best thing you
can do for your mental health and relieving stress and
sleeping better.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's very basic, and.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly,
you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes
from life lessons more than anything.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I follow so many wellness folks, doctors, many not and
the consistency of cholesterol is.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Not your enemy, meets not your enemy.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary
Tally Boden is our guests will continue our conversation coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.
Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Doctor Mary Tally Boden.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment, and
the lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally.
When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine, trying
to heal people, which is supposed to be your calling,
was subjecting you to professional and personal problems. Real I
(16:44):
don't recall anybody attacked like this, maybe Jack of Orkian
doctor death that that may be the only person I've
ever seen attacked in this manner to the extent.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That you were.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting a chat, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready.
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity
that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state
medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know,
saying the things that I was saying. And initially I
(17:20):
was fairly conservative. And what I said compared to what
I say now, I mean, I said vaccine mandates are
wrong and iber mechin works, and that's that's I said
that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble.
So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's basically, yeah, I
treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand
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scheme of things, I was nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was you know, I was just just.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I really make a dent and things, and but Houston
Methodists went after me so publicly that it just launched
me into the public eye. And then at that point
I felt like I had no choice but to fight
back very.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many
people know exactly how bad it got for you. And
there were moments there where you thought you would lose
your ability to practice medicine.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
The Medical Board has.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Been after me for four years now and involves a patient,
Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father of six. He was
dying in the hospital Texas Hugiley Hospital in Fort Worth.
His wife sued the hospital because they refused to allow
him to try ibermacton as a last ditch effort.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
They were talking hospice.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I testified. I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and
we won the case. The court was ordered to grant
me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, A nurse shows
up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. She's greeted
by the police and they turned me into the Medical Board,
saying that I sent a nurse into the hospital without privilege.
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Is the patient never was allowed to get the ivermectin.
He did make it out of the hospital, but he
was never able to fully recover and he passed away.
And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas
is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is
bittersweet for me because yes, it should be over the counter.
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But you know, there's so many people that you had.
This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the
hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to
access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened.
And that that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
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medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging this
out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing
once they're there. I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So
they determined that I was guilty because I sent up
nurse to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and
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now I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that
point I will have to appeal further.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the belief being
(20:35):
that the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the
reason for it. You've talked a lot about spike proteins.
Can you explain what is going on there?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely, with.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
No stop button. So the COVID.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way
to measure spike protein in the body, at least the
one that's available to the public. So what I've been
looking at is spike protein and a body levels, and
it's a little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is
very concerning because the patients that have gotten the COVID shots,
and this is just my patience. It's almost two hundred
(21:25):
patients I've looked at the average level is ten times
higher the antibody level than patients that did not get
never got the COVID shot, And this is four years
after the fact, and most of these people got two,
maybe three shots, and many of these patients the level
is so high that it exceeds the upper limit of
(21:47):
a test, which is twenty five thousand. So this average
that I'm seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen
thousand in the patients have got the shot is actually
an underestimation because we don't know how high some of
these patients are going. And then patients that did not
get the shots, the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.
It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research,
(22:10):
and we need the NIH to help us with that
research because there's just not enough people willing to even
acknowledge that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
There might be a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Did how many times you think you used the term
spike protein before COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Never? Absolutely not?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, never, It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand.
My brother had to take the shot to continue being
a police officer. He did not want to take the shot,
and he dies shortly thereafter. And obviously I'm very bitter
about that. Reading about Jason Jones. I saw a post
you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously,
(22:51):
as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin,
and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over
the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very,
very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not not
by neglect, but by will because people refused to allow
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the treatments that were being proven to work. And that
makes me anger, angry, and bitter on a level that
is not healthy I can relate.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It's basically politics over.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Science, and it's it's bizarre to me that. I mean,
it's great to see that more and more states are
making iromectin over the counter, but they're treating it like
the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibmectin. If
it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly,
we need the FDA just to make make the drug
(23:51):
over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.
It's safer than than antibiotics, it's safer than tailanlu and
patients are going to the feed store to get their medication,
which at this point I think it must be safe
because you would be hearing otherwise. But this is America.
We should not be going We should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications. So
(24:13):
I really hope that the FDA will put science over
politics and just make it over the counter.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
to every American. I mean a lot of dirty things
were revealed out of all of this dangerous misinformation, the virus,
of treatment and the lies.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Mary Taly Boden is our guess. Damn it all right?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
This is Mark Chestnut and jar Bizar of talk radio.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh it's very in Spanish. No, I had no idea.
That's just weird. That's just weird.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You could have done doctor, doctor, You could have done
all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts
of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the
first name and derivations of the first thing. That's weird,
very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have
done this? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,
(25:16):
and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, the doctor, author, a
celebrity guest of huge programs, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,
tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell
you how many people they think we're like big buddies.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
They send messages, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
My god, your girl Mary Tally Boden is on Tucker
Carlson and she's doing great. I don't know if they
thought you were gonna flop or what. Talk about that.
How was that experience?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
is given to my kids because people are now saying, oh,
your mom was on Joe Rogan. So that that has
been nice for the kids because they they had to
sort of hide who their mother was for a few years.
And I will say, like Tucker Carlson is is very
(26:15):
authentic and very candid. He told me things I couldn't
believe he was telling me off air.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting, Joe Rogan,
you would have no idea where a studio is.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's in this like non descript sort of warehouse looking.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thing in Austin.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to uh,
Tucker and I brought another kid to Rogan, and now
I got to get two more kids to two other shows.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh. But you know the best part of it was
was the.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Kids and having having them have some pride in their
mother because what they're hearing from other people.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really
amplified your message dramatically.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or
anything like that. I mean, it's just, you know, it's
been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort
of huge explosion.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have
through all of this, going back to the day before
you got involved.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean, it has taken as tall.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I am exhausted, and if you know, i'd been giving.
If I'd been given a choice, I don't know that
I would have chosen this. But I mean I've learned
a lot and I'm a lot stronger. I mean I
used to hate public speaking, and I was I'm pretty
introverted and so I've been forced to use my voice,
(27:57):
and yeah, I feel like I can help people by
speaking out. And so, yeah, it hasn't been great, but
I wouldn't I wouldn't change it at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think we all have purpose in life, and some
of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that
purpose changes with each season in life.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But I think you met your moment, and.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I think maybe you never expected to be in the
situations where you ended up, and yet you rose to
the occasion in a way you probably never could.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Have guessed you would summon that level.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Of strength, and that has to be that has to
be a pretty cool experience to look back on that.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.
It just kind of happened.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Strengthened me in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I
would just encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you
speak the truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing,
it's it's difficult. But after going through a very low point,
I feel like I'm going you know, I'm rising now.
I'm still in survival mode, but I do have I
(29:27):
have one win I did.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I sued the f.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
D A in one but we have we still have
so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want
I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, and and that brings us to the next thing
in what your life looks like and where you see
that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously
you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I
get emails from folks who say they can't get an
appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.
(30:02):
She has her political side and she has her medical side.
What does that look like for you in the near
and long term?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,
I mean, continue to practice. I think that's key because
it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on.
I am going to.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Do a weekly podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming
on after her show, it's going to be called on
Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus
on answering questions because.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I'm sure you can relate.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
My dms on social media are just flooded with people
with questions and requests, and I just can't keep.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Up with it. So I see this as a way, okay,
I can.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I can answer the questions that that the most people
have and get get it all done once a week
and give people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing
people on this other podcast platform called America out Loud News,
and I find it very gratifying because, like you, you
gave me a voice and it really was helpful. And
(31:18):
so I like giving other people a voice when they've
been you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them
a chance to share their story.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I find that very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And when will that begin?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It'll be on Wednesdays.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Is it on call c a l L or c
a w L because that's the national dish of Wales.
It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I
think it would be awesome if you did it as
on call and people tune in and they think they're
going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about
how to make the best Welsh stew. Now that would
be very normal Donald.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I had that. That is the first I've heard.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Of that, so give it some thought, give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I could see you being big and Cardiff and it's
a whole new audience for you. You know, there's if
you've been to Wales, it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
No I haven't wells.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It is like parts of Colorado that have no industry,
no business, no hardly anything, just a little resort shop
there where you hire some guide to go for a hike.
And I could see that being I could see that
being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh others.
There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never
(32:35):
never acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's that That would be.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
The memory of Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Bow
and I am so proud to call you my friend.
You are really and I know you don't take well
to compliments. You're like Chad Knakanishi, but you really are
a hero. What you have done the people you have saved,
and the voice you have found, and your willingness to
continue to fight and show people to fight the way
(33:00):
Trump did after he got shot in the head. It's
incredibly inspiring. The book is dangerous misinformation by it today,
the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Thank you, my dear,
Thank you for spending an hour with us.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Thank you, Michael Ramon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Do you know what that would cost if we'd gone
into her clinic? It did have been on our show
and there would have been needles involved.
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