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November 5, 2025 • 32 mins

Michael Berry tackles socialism, stadium subsidies, and holiday madness.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Very Show.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Is on the air.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
The sun may have set over our city this evening,
but as Eugene Debs once said, I can see the
dawn of a better day for humanity. I am young,
despite my best efforts to grow older.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
I am Muslim. I am a democratic socialist, and most
damning of all, I refuse to apologize for.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
Any of this.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
Allowing you.

Speaker 8 (00:56):
Back and the US has on.

Speaker 9 (00:58):
We have to continue to elect more socialists and we
have to ensure that we are.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Unapologetic about our socialism.

Speaker 9 (01:06):
There are also other issues that we firmly believe in,
whether it's b DS or.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Whether it's the end goal of of seasons of productions.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
In the US.

Speaker 8 (01:20):
A US back, a US back.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
And a USS all.

Speaker 9 (01:25):
Think about democratic socialist. I am a democratic socialist. I
also wouldn't be the first Democratic socialist mayor. We've had
a number, and we've even had a mayor who is
a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. That's David Dinkins,
you know, not just a few decades ago. And people
ask me, how can this interact with New York City

(01:47):
being the home of global finance and I say my
focus as a democratic socialist is ensuring that every New
Yorker lives a dignified lists. The uss all, we can
establish community land trusts to gradually buy up housing on

(02:09):
the private market and convert it to community ownership. We
can give tenants the right of first refusal to buy
out their landlords when buildings go up for sale. And
we can fully commit to a new era of social housing,
ending subsidies for luxury housing development and using our wealth
to build beautiful, high quality social housing projects that offer
good homes and strong communities to everyone. We won't decommodify

(02:32):
housing overnight, but we know what.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
We have to do, and we have history to guidance.

Speaker 10 (02:36):
On the uss ON, voters who sat in home approved
a proposition to provide taxpayer funding for about a quarter

(03:00):
of the new one point three billion dollar arena for
the Sanantone Spurs.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Never ceases to amaze me how, somehow people who never
go to sporting events are required to subsidize the venue
owned by a billionaire for the people who do. It

(03:31):
just doesn't make any sense to me. Why on earth
do people think this is a good thing? And then
you've always got that goober the dude who wears other
men's jerseys.

Speaker 11 (03:47):
We all have it for economic development, vigele. It's good
for Houston. It's gonna have city pride. You gotta have
more city pride. Go Houston. I'm Houston. I bleed Houston, man.
I bleed Houston is what I do. I bleed Houston
and I love I'm Houston proud man.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't care.

Speaker 11 (04:03):
I'm a Astro Rocket Texas.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I'll leave Houston.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You're at Goubri and should not be allowed to speak
in public or private for that matter.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Good lord.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I enjoy sports as much as the next guy. I
just don't understand why the funding for it needs to
come from taxpayers. Most of them will never see the
inside of that stadium.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
If you buy a ticket for the event, raise the
ticket price, Oh, Kate, raise a Michael, there's a hi. Oh,
so non sports fans should have to subsidize you go
into sporting events. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Make that makes sense, because it doesn't. Why does the

(05:00):
taxpayer have to pay for a stadium. It's not a
public good, it's a private good. It's not open to
the public. I don't think we should be. I don't
think we should be spend all the money on the
public things we do like libraries. Close the libraries, save
the operations expenses, sell the property, and get landlords to

(05:27):
donate space, put computers in them so the kids can
go there and read and research. It's that simple. It's
not eighteen eighty four any longer. People aren't using the
libraries other than homeless people. There is a perpetual problem
with homeless people masturbating in public libraries. It's a nationwide problem.

(05:50):
It's been there since I was on city council. It's terrible.
They don't want you to know about it because then
you'd be scared to go to the library, and they
already can't get people come to library.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
John, you're on the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 12 (06:03):
Yes, Hey, what about this possible solution for the internal
civil war for the Democrats?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
John?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Have uh, the last five times you called your opinion
was horrible. Please please don't do another one. Please think
about that before you say what you're going to say.

Speaker 12 (06:28):
Okay, well, okay, well, I'm asking for your thoughts on it.
My thought is to have these guys like AOC and Mangarvey,
who you know who claim not to be you know democrats.
You know, you know socialist democrats will have them run

(06:52):
at third party as a social democrat, not as a democrat,
as a social democrat.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
How would you do that, John?

Speaker 12 (07:11):
Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Why would anybody agree to that?

Speaker 12 (07:15):
Well, I'm a register as a you know, as a
as a socialist democrat.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I don't want to do How about this, John, You
want to have a separate MAGA party where you would
register as a MAGA and you would you would run
for office on that basis.

Speaker 12 (07:39):
Well, I'm not, uh, you know, I don't claim to
be MAGA.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It doesn't matter. You don't to be a democrat socialist either,
do you.

Speaker 12 (07:48):
Well they claim to be. I mean the guy said
last night in his his excessance speech that he makes
no qualms about it that he's a socialist Democrat. Okay, well,
then you know, sign up as one and let's see
how many of your how many follows you as you have.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Tomwray.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
For anyone concerned that the New York mayors race is
the end of America, just understand New York is a
city of almost all Democrats. The few Republicans who were
there have left that was a Democrat primary. That's what

(08:47):
was just held. It was a Democrat primary, and the
socialists meet the white liberals. This is quite similar to
two thousand and eight, where Barack Obama beat Hillary Clinton
in the Democrat primary. A young, well spoken, well funded,

(09:12):
well organized socialist packaging that up. In this hey ever
felt left out because you're not a white Christian, Join
our club. That message resonates. So the white liberals who

(09:37):
have been stoking those same communities are always shocked that
those communities are not loyal to them. They're useful to
those communities to accumulate power, but when the numbers get
strong enough, they will toss that candidate for one of

(09:59):
their own. It has to be a well funded, well
spoken candidate who can even win a few crossovers, because
there are a lot of white people who love to
vote for a non white person because it makes them
feel good about themselves. They can't be racist. Look what

(10:19):
they just did.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Ed you're on the Michael Berry.

Speaker 13 (10:23):
Show, Yes, sir, I alread you talking earlier about the
Republican message and not getting it out there. I don't
think these people are buying what the Republicans are selling.
Regardless of what they were selling with what the Republicans
would say. You know, they're going to vote for those
guys either way. I mean, at what point do we say,
let them have it. They're going to have to see
it fail for themselves to convince them otherwise.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
I mean, I just how much time are we going
to waste chasing.

Speaker 13 (10:52):
New York or chasing New Jersey or chasing California.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, at some point, if you don't chase some of those,
you're not going to be able to win them in
the presidential election, and you're not going to be able
to welcome them. They're going to redistrict and they're going
to take the House.

Speaker 13 (11:09):
We could well the people that are voting for that, now,
you're not convincing they don't want a good job and
to be self for lifed. They want free health care,
they want government assistants, they want government housing. They're selling
them what they think they want. We're not going to
convince them otherwise. Right, at some point you got to
kind of let them have it, see it fail and say, look, guys,

(11:30):
this is what we've been trying to tell you.

Speaker 14 (11:32):
I mean, it makes sense, But let me ask you this,
if the state of California wants to have unlimited immigration
and they want to bring people in who are illegals.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is your response to that, well, let them do it
and fail.

Speaker 13 (11:50):
Well, not from a federal standpoint, no, But like Mundani
in New York, let them have the free busses, Let
them have the New York's going to fail. It's going
to be an utter disaster. There's no doubt it already is.
But how do we keep from bailing. It's got to
get bad enough to convince them. Otherwise they keep, you know,
doubling down, saying, don't know, we just need to people

(12:11):
a step farther, step farther.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
My fear fear.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Is there is a fallacy of believing that it will
get bad enough in New York that New York will
fix itself. The trend in urban decay Baltimore, Philadelphia, Washington,
d C, Detroit, a great example is that it doesn't
fix itself because you're hanging. It's such a delicate balance

(12:41):
to keep people enough, people in that city who are reasonable,
who will vote. What ends up happening is they flee
the city. And when they flee the city, you'll never
fix it. You'll never fix Detroit. You can't, no, I.

Speaker 13 (12:54):
Know, but at some point, you're not anybody left in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oh No, There'll be plenty of people. There'll be plenty
of people who will vote exactly the way they do.
There won't be anybody with a brain left, and there
won't be anybody white left, but there will be plenty
of people.

Speaker 15 (13:09):
So that I mean, we've allowed the cities to collapse,
and they have Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, uh,
New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
They have collapsed, and and we've bailed them out on
the on the federal level. And you're gonna bail them
out because they're gonna have enough. Congressman, you're gonna bail
them out. At some point, you are your brother's keeper.
At some point. These are these are pieces of America
that you have to protect, no matter how frustrating it is.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's it's it's the kid.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Who you know has mental problems or gets in criminal trouble,
and and you know you'd like to cut them loose,
but it's your kid, and you're gonna keep You're gonna
stay in there, and you're gonna engage, and no matter.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
How difficult it is, you're gonna fight for your kid.

Speaker 13 (13:58):
But at some point there's tough love involved.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I understand that kid and believe I mean, I don't.
I don't understand.

Speaker 13 (14:05):
I don't really. I'm not sure what the answer is, obviously,
but I don't know that saying, you know, the Republican
message needs to get out there more. They don't want that.
The people that are voting for those guys in those cities,
they don't want that. I think that's what we're missing.
We can put the Republican message out there. Trump came
in full force. They don't want it. They've getten what

(14:30):
they want. I'm my kind of We've got to kind
of let them at a point, we've got to let.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Them have it.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You where do you live?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
And Katie?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
All right, So we had Sylvester Turner for eight years.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And there was corruption, there was waste, there was fraud,
but there were still good people living in the city
of Houston. Do we leave leave those good people to
die on the vine? Or do we fight for them
even though the majority are voting for Sylvester Turner.

Speaker 13 (15:08):
No, we invite them to Katie.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, listen, I get it. You know, that's been our solution. Right,
and I've said it a thousand times. Leave these big
urban areas. They're broken, the crime, the corruption, the taxes.
I agree, and we've seen this migration across the country.
But at some point when every major city, and New

(15:35):
York is important, falls to this degree, it is going
to affect our country.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We can't just laugh and go I had dumb ass, y'all.
It's become a third world country. It's going to affect you.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
The easy, comfortable answer is to let New York implode.
When that's the approach we've taken, you know what, not
my problem. Let those people live in the squalor of
their own making. Believe me, I get it. I despise

(16:15):
bad policy, I despise the racism of the left. I'll
spend more time thinking about it than I probably should.
I despise what they're doing to our country. But as
easy and comfortable and as it may seem to simply say,

(16:42):
let them live in hell so they see how bad
it is and they fix it. They don't fix it.
That's just it. They don't fix it. If you could
have stopped Detroit, a once great American city, would have
made all the difference in the world. Well, just let
them let them. Okay, Well, let me go through a

(17:03):
couple of things that are going to happen. Mamdani is
going to stop prosecuting criminals, which means more criminals are
going to be put out on the street, which means
that some of them are going to end up in
other states. The state of California gave driver's licenses to
illegal aliens. You had the guy come down from Canada

(17:26):
who's Indian a seek gets his license, has no business
behind the wheel of an eighteen wheeler and kill the
family in Florida. We are a country. We're not a
set of cities. We are a country. There are things
that are going to happen in these places that could

(17:50):
affect us here and will affect us here. Unfortunately, as
frustrating as it is, because we won't always win, and
we won't win over the electorate, I'll have to fight
for it because it's still our country. And the minute
we don't, Oh boy, it's going to be bad. Donnie,
you're on the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 16 (18:10):
Go ahead, Yeah, I just want to say the last
guy I was saying that those people voted for that, Well,
if they voted for that, it's because they're ignorant and
they don't know history. I'm not no history expert, but
communism has failed time and time again, and I just
pray to God that Congress and or the President do

(18:31):
not bail New York out.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I think that is they will not this president, but
the next one. But I agree, well said James, you're up.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah, Michael.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
Last night, like any and everything the Democrats have ever
done on the radical side, when they win, they triple down.

Speaker 13 (18:58):
When they lose, they elbow down in violence. This is
gonna get worse.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
I know that's being set all day and we'll be said,
but it's going to spread.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that's the concerns I have.

Speaker 13 (19:09):
They get, they blew it.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
They screwed it up, allowing them this to happen, and
they're going to put it on the backs of the
American taxpayer and the American people.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
To to fix this. Almost says something bad there.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's my point. Have a good one, Uh, Joe, you're
on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead.

Speaker 17 (19:29):
I want to quote to talk about the build the.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Mh oh remote.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Can I get h white people Christmas shopping? I think
that's probably about what we need, right about now.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You got it all right?

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Have you seen this traffic out here? People had lost.

Speaker 18 (20:20):
Their mind behind all this Christmas stuff. Hand, Oh, they
already be down there, just swarm and everything.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
Good Lord, never sound thath like this.

Speaker 18 (20:36):
Just look at them white folks loading up their kids
and all their knitty vans.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
They know that Thanksgiving just.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Around the corner.

Speaker 8 (20:42):
They better make their Christmas plans.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Honey.

Speaker 18 (20:44):
They go in droves to the stoves just to go
sit on Santa Claus left with their little artifice of
Christmas teas and a little knitted sweater they put on
their cat.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, let's go. Let's go
to the stove. What y'all going down there for artificial snow? Ignorant?
Hurry up her, uphurry up, let's go. Let's go to
the mall. You can't get up in there. The white
people they up and there having a bull I see.

Speaker 18 (21:09):
Them white folks charging their credit cards out to the max. Honey,
just find everything out. Why can't they just chill, you know, relax?
Them white folks get spending money like it growed on trains.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
I ain't never sound nothing.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Like a honey.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
They need to be down on.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
Their knees and shoot. Now, let me tell you something. Now,
with my nineteen children, they.

Speaker 18 (21:29):
Know they get popped in the mouth if they start
to work in my nerves when I'm trying to shop
at the grocery store shoe. But them white people, honey,
they do not care the kids tell them what to do.

Speaker 8 (21:41):
Honey, if that was my children, I would beat they
but black and blue. But it ain't nothing too good.
You know, this little tiffing and Louise.

Speaker 18 (21:49):
Under the Jeremy or Joshua or Johnny and what.

Speaker 8 (21:52):
Their name is, ellenwise?

Speaker 18 (21:53):
What do white people get their names for their children.
I don't understand. That's ignorant, ignorant. Seem like everything about
this time of year is just ignorant. I just can't
take it no more. You know, honey, you got these
white folks charging the credit cards out to the next

(22:14):
just buying everything inside when they need to chill and relax.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
But them white people spends money like it growed on trees,
and I ain't never sound.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Nothing like it.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
They need to get back down on their knees. Oh no, honey,
they hurt.

Speaker 18 (22:29):
They got to get to that stove, their artificial snow
that's so ignorant.

Speaker 8 (22:34):
And they little plastic Christmas tree.

Speaker 18 (22:38):
And they put the little body up on their house
and reindeers be up on their roof. Just look at them,
white people making a fool out of themselves. White folks
everywhere all over town, minivans. Good lord, they root off
the red blue reindeer self.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
That's ignorant.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Just wearing my nerves.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
I need to make my shopping list anyway.

Speaker 18 (23:00):
Look, you tell your mama and them.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
I asked het I have.

Speaker 18 (23:03):
I had to cry, tell us he needed to call
me now us.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
You better not forgetting my gift either. I'm not seen.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
There is the far left, and that's what Mamdani is,
That's what Obama is, and that's what their most hardcore
supporters are. But then there are a number of people
somewhere in the middle who believe, well, I hope he's
not as crazy as as the right says, but they

(23:38):
say that about everybody. He seems to want to help people.
These are not awful human beings. They're very naive. These
are the same people that walked in yes yesterday. And
I'm gonna go vote and get my sticker. I'm gonna
vote because voting is so good. We keep hearing voting.
He's so good. I'm gonna go in there. Oh, propositions,

(24:01):
let's see what the dren street. Yeah, we already do that.
More water, Yeah, that'd be good.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
Stock And.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Damn't you're only Michael Berry show. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
Uh excuse me, I'm sorry.

Speaker 17 (24:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yesterday, my me and my wife were going down was
it Blaylock trying to get the uh by our forest,
trying to get the dairy Ashford And we were coming
up to the metro stop and there was four thugs.
I'm not kidding you. Three were on the ground jumping
around and the four people sitting there waiting for the bus, well,
they were captured and I'm not kidding at the other
the other one was on top of the metro bus

(24:43):
roof jumping around, dancing, and it was just total chaos.
And there picking on this one guy. And I was like,
there you go, Inner City, you going crazy. But I just, uh,
it was crazy. So I just wanted to call.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Let you know, I don't think I understand stood from
the description what happened.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Well, there's nothing. Well they there was for thugs, and
they were they were just they're picking on a little guy,
and one of the Thudgs was on top of the
Metro bus roof of that waiting area to catch a bus.
He was up there dancing around, and it was just
it was something you just don't see every day usually

(25:27):
see people sitting at the bus stop waiting for.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Their Oh no, I get that. How were they picking
on this guy?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
They were just they were just I don't know if
he was part of the gang or what. He didn't
have a shirt on, and they were kind of, I
don't know, just kind of boking at him and everything.
And I just thought, well, here we go. When I
was working downtown, I mean, if you were at a
bus stop, you were you were a captive, captive audience
to anything.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's always so interesting when when you hear references to,
you know, how people to ride Metro and then they
do the slick TV commercials ride Metro and then they
tell you it's been going on since I've been in Houston.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I remember thinking, man, I bet that metro bus can
be nice? Is that real? Slick ads? Nineteen eighty nine
they were doing this, they've never stopped.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Your Metro is at work for you, and they shoot
them in film, so it's a high quality shot and
it's good color, and they've got them all cleaned up,
you know, none of the graffiti or homeless crab or
pee everywhere. And they show and they show their assets.
First they show their bus, of course, you know they
have buses. But then they show the light rail. Oh

(26:40):
that's great. The light rail. It's like a bus, just slower,
takes up a lot of real estate and a lot
more money. Doesn't have the capacity to move as population trends. Change,
can't evacuate people in the case of a hurt. But

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it makes us world class.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I used to love when people would tell me we
got to have the Metro because it makes us world class.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I want to be a world class city, like what
city and.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Whatever city they tell you is always a complete and
utter dump. It is a complete and utter dump every
single time. But they want us to be like that.
You don't want to be like that. Those are not
cities that you can live in. Those are not places

(27:36):
that people move to raise a family. They're a place
you went on vacation, saw a museum just to say
you did, went to some nice restaurants, walked around in
the financial district because they have a financial district, saw
some things that were different than back home that we
don't have back home, talked about how great this culture is,

(28:00):
and we don't have that. We can't just walk along
and just tuck right in right off the street and
there's a bar and order an espresso and just drink
it and keep going.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's what they do in Italy.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
We don't do that, but that's what they do, okay,
And they walk everywhere. They don't drive because driving's bad.
They don't drive. They don't have to waste all their
space on parking lots. They walk everywhere. You ever lived
in a city where it's three degrees and you have

(28:37):
to walk a mile to the bus stop, Hope the
bus is running, Get on the bus to ride for
twenty five minutes to get to the subway. Hope you
don't get mugged at the subway, arrive at the subway
station nearest where you're going, and walk another thirty minutes.

(29:03):
I'm going to tell you it's not as pleasant as
you think it is. But in the springtime, when you
go and you're on vacation and the weather's nice and
you have no worries and you have no kids, with
you and you're just ambling along. You're in a totally

(29:28):
different mood than where you came from. You're in the
mood to enjoy whatever you're doing. You could have gone
for a staycation to the Posto Hotel and stayed right
there on campus and just as much fun. But we're
in a city with a Metro. They do the bus,

(29:49):
and then they do the rail, then they do the
little handicap movers, people movers, and then they do their
little police department because for some reason Metro it needs
to have its own police department. That's always been one
for me. Yeah, you don't want to be you don't
want to be on the bus. Just leave it at that.

(30:12):
David Maulsby, writes Czar. This past weekend, I had the
privilege of speaking to the men's ministry at Saint Peter's
United Methodist Church in Katie. It was an honor to
share the mission of the Foundation and the life changing
work happening every day at Camp Hope. One of our
proud graduates and past mentors, Thomas, also spoke, offering a

(30:34):
powerful testimony about his journey of healing and faith. We're
deeply grateful to Saint Peter's UMC for welcoming us with
open arms and for their continued prayers and support for
our veterans and their families. In a few minutes, I'll
be heading north to speak to the East Montgomery County
Chamber of Commerce. The event in Willis is sold out.

(30:57):
We live in the greatest community in the nation when
it comes to supporting our veterans. David Malsby, PTSD Foundation
of America. If you have a men's breakfast group, or
you have speakers, come to your church, business group, social group,

(31:18):
alumni group, or anything else. David Malsby at Camp Hope
makes a great speaker, and if you ask for it,
he'll bring one of the graduates and prepare yourself because
you will hear a story as somebody who grew up
just like you, but at eighteen years old, was very
patriotic and went off and was shattered when they came

(31:40):
home and was suicidal and.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Got their life back at Camp Hope.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So I have to turn down almost every speaking engagement
because I don't have the time. But David Malsby is
spreading the Gospel's former pastor tells our story very very well.
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