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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying
to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings
and beads. There are just things people keep trying to
bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a reminder as to
why we should not. We still don't have all the information.

(00:54):
We still have not revealed all the misinformation, we still
have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we
still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.
Mary Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh I
did not realize. Did you see the name of the book,
How Michael Barry.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Changed My life? Wow? That is really nice.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Mary Tally, welcome to the program.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it.
I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll
just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it
didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to
the first time you were on. You told Ramona it
was August of twenty one. It was not It was
spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a big deal yet.

(01:49):
And I had you on because I saw a video
of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker,
and I said, any attractive of woman, doctor who can
go by that name, that's that's I like her already.
And then I had you on and we'd never met,

(02:10):
and I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me
afterwards that everybody said I was mean to you. Does
any of that jog your memory?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
But as you were, well, I, I mean, I honestly
had no idea who you were.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I ever listened to. No, I'm just saying no.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
But it just speaks to the fact that I was
not political at all. Like I had never turned on
an AM radio talk show in my life, and I
did not realize what I was.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Getting myself into when I talked to you and then.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on
for three hours and I had actually ever done an
interview like that. I'd never done a live interview uh.
And I was not political, so I didn't know what
I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular
with people. He really likes. That just means he really
likes you. And it is oh okay if that's what
that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey.
So you went from being a very successful doctor with

(03:29):
your own what was it oto laryngology? Remember you remember Oto?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
What is it called.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Od laryngology?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you

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at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what
has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little

(04:22):
bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice your
nose and throat, and you know, we're used to treating
respiratory infections, that's part and parcels are specialty. And so
when patients started coming in, I you know, we didn't
know what we were dealing with necessarily, but I just
kind of used common sense and I just didn't I
didn't have the heart to turn people away, and I

(04:52):
wasn't scared of getting sick, so I just let people in.
And at first, yeah, I wasn't. I was pretty mainstream.
I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they
weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of
monoclona antibodies, it became harder and harder to get, and
so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was

(05:14):
very diligent about making sure it was safe before using
it because of all the controversy. And what I found
is I was still able to keep people out of
the hospital using ivermettin. At the same time, I was
seeing that these COVID shots were not working. And at
the time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists.

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I had privileges there, but only as a backstop as
ear nose and throat.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I do outpatient surgery.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Never used the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with
them on research. But when I saw that these shots
weren't working, and as Methodists was the first hospital in
the country to mandate the shots, and that was five
months before Biden, so they paved the way for the
rest of the country. It was a big deal. So
I started seeing that these shots weren't working because I

(06:05):
was testing people and I saw that the people coming
in who were vaccinated were just as sick, if not sicker.
I reached out to them, I said, hey, what's going on.
They gas lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers
the severity. Well, I started speaking out on social media
and that was my fatal mistake, and they came after
me very publicly, very harshly. They suspended my privileges and

(06:28):
I found out about it from the media. I found
out about it from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle.
So it just upended my life very quickly. I had
people from you know, CNN watching them posts. I had
people screaming at me from Australia and calling me all
sorts of names, and I just decided to fight back.
And I'm grateful to you because you really you were

(06:51):
the first to give me a voice and help me
in that fight.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility
was attacked, as people who never met you, were never
your patient, knew nothing about your body of work, began
to say and do horrible things related to you.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
What sustained you through that.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Period, well the truth.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not
so hard and seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything
that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand.
And when you treat alsums of patients with the same
disease and a very short period of time, you quickly
become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor.
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.

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And so I was very confident in what.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I was doing.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of
the hospital and I was telling the truth. And when
you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty,
but they put you through. Are we going to talk
about what we have learned from all of this? The
book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and the Lies.
Mary tallybot Doctor Mary tallybut our guest coming up.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
The Michael Berry Show, Oh No, holds about actually starts
Sunday again. It's totally different. It would be cool if
it was okay.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Doctor Mary Tally. Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,
The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,
with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably
five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients,
and you would be one of those five. You've been
on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talking

(09:02):
about what happened and what happened to you. Let's start
with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which you
were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. You
talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we know now,
you are King for a day and you get to

(09:23):
announce this is what we're going to do to treat COVID.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
What would you do.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country all
get it and give it to small babies. A monocla antibizer,
an option ivermectin worked very well, and yeah, a lot

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of times you'd have to use in combination with other
medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that was a
big I mean, the hospitals would not even allow patients
to get breathing treatments.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I talked to somebody yesterday who.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Was in the hospital and he would sneak into his
bathroom while he was in the hospital and give himself
breathing treatments and tell the nurses he was taking a shower.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean, how absurd is that.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people
in the front lines of people actually treating COVID patients.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
More say in the matter.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean, they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls.
You know, government officials who had no first hand experience
actually treating these patients.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at
the most common lab abnormality I find is a low
vitamin D and the lab will tell you it needs
to be above thirty, but optimally you want it to
be above fifty. And people that are even taking supplements
are often under.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Fifty, so that I would say.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
That's sort of the most the biggest thing in terms
of keeping your immune system healthy.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D
is to strengthen your immune system, right right.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I'm also you know I knew this before, but you
know sugar. You know, infections love sugar, So like managing
your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan of
carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't have
to do it for the rest of your life, but
it really it helps you break down fat. And you know,

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the low the carbohydrates, the sugar infections just feed on that.
So keeping your weight under control and limiting your sugar
intake is big.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
But let me ask you this, and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because
I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the
carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is? Does it still work?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Can?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You still do it?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that, that there's
a better way than injecting yourself with a medication that
costs twelve hundred dollars a month. So that's my past.
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you you went to medical school,
you went to specialized training. You've been a single mom,
you've opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're
a fitness buff, You've.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Done a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Most people, if we're being honest, most people don't have
your level of discipline. So a person that's not able
to shed the weight or not willing, let me say
that not willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semagluetide
category has been a godsend to them because sure, what
you're doing is working, but it's it's tough, and we

(13:14):
know most people are.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Not going to do that.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't know. It's so rewarding when you start
doing the carnivore. I mean it's a bit hard at
first because the sugar cravings are intense, but you start
losing weight so quickly and you're you know, I would
bring bacon to or I would eat bacon all day
and eat steak and eggs. And it was shocking to
me because that just sort of goes against what we've
been told this whole time that you know.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Fat is bad for you.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
You actually use fat as energy instead of sugar, and
it's amazing. It's very good for your brain too. You
can focus better. They're using it now for mental illness
to treat mental illness, so used it for treating seizures.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I think it's work.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what
I was just I was shocked by the results, and
so I was able to maintain it. I was very
strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because
I got to the point where I had to keep
buying new clothes and I was it was I didn't
want to lose any more weight. So I'm not strict

(14:18):
about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Impressive for somebody that does want to try it. Was
there a particular book or site that you used as
a guideline.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Online, Ken Barry.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change. How important in
all of that is diet And what are the other
aspects of diet that you now are are advising that
are not within your original core competency.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high
blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So it's fundamental.
And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach

(15:23):
is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and
then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. I
think is the best thing you can do for your
mental health. And you never regret exercising when you do it.
You never want to do it, but when you're done,
you're so you're.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So glad you did it right.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
You just have to remember that every time you're not
wanting to exercise. But I think it's the best thing
you can do for your mental health and relieving stress
and sleeping better.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's very basic, and.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly,
you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes
from from life lessons more than anything.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors, many not.
And the consistency of cholesterol.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Is not your enemy, meets not your enemy.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary
Tally Boden is our guests will continue our conversation coming up.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
The Win.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Mary Tally Boden is our guest.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Doctor Mary Tally Boden the new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus,
The Treatment and the Lies let's talk about what happened
to you personally. When did you first realize that simply
practicing medicine, trying to heal people, which is supposed to
be your calling, was subjecting you to professional and personal

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of problems. Real I don't recall anybody attacked like this.
Maybe Jack Covorkian doctor death that that that may be
the only person I've ever seen attacked in this manner
to the extent that you were.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting attacked, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready.
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
That basically sent out.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
A proclamation to all the state medical boards to go
after doctors who were, you know, saying the things that
I was saying. And initially I was fairly conservative in
what I said compared to what I say now.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I mean, I said vaccine mandates.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Are wrong and iber mechin works, and that's that's I
said that online, and that's what really got got me
in trouble. So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's basically yeah,
I treated a lot of COVID patients, but the grand
scheme of.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Things I was nothing. It was you know, I was
just just I.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Really did make a dent and things, but Houston Methodists
went after me so publicly that it just launched me
into the public eye. And then at that point I
felt like I had no choice but to fight back very.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Hard and walk people through.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I don't know how many people know exactly how bad
it got for you, And there were moments there where
you thought you would lose your ability to practice medicine.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical li since
the Medical Board has been after me for four years
now and involves a patient Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy,
father of six. He was dying in the hospital Texas
Hugly Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital
because they refused to allow him to try ivermectin as

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a last ditch effort.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
They were talking hospice.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I testified. I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and
we won the case. The court was ordered to grant
me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, a nurse shows
up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. She's greeted
by the police and they turned me into the Medical
Board saying that I sent a nurse into the hospital

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without privileges. The patient never was allowed to get the ivermectin.
He did make it out of the hospital, but he
was never.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Able to fully recover and he passed away.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas
is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is
bittersweet for me because yes, it should be over the counter.
But you know, there's so many people that had this
patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the hospital
and he couldn't. But had he been able to access
early treatment, I doubt.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Any of this would have happened.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
And that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us
out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing

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once I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they determined
that I was guilty because I set up nurse to
the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now I'm
waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point I
will have to appeal further.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the belief being

(20:53):
that the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the
reason for it. You've talked a lot about spike proteins.
Can you explain what is going on there?

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely, with no stop button. So the COVID shots,
you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way to
measure spike protein in the body, at least the one

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that's available to the public.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So what I've been looking at is spike protein anti
body levels, and.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
It's a little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is
very concerning because the patients that have gotten the COVID shots,
and this is just my patience, it's almost two hundred patients.
I've looked at the average level is ten times higher
the antibody level. Then patients that did not get never
got the COVID shot, and this is four years after

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the fact, and most of these people got two, maybe
three shots, and many of these patients the level is
so high that it exceeds the upper limit of the test,
which is twenty five thousand. So this average that I'm
seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen thousand, and
the patients that got the shot is actually an underestimation

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because we don't know how high some of these patients
are going. And then patients that did not get the shots,
the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It does.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research,
and we need the NIH to help us with that
research because there's just not enough people willing to even
acknowledge that there might be a problem.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
How many times you think you used the term spike
protein before COVID?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Never? Absolutely not, Yeah, never.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. My
brother had to take the shot to continue being a
police officer. He did not want to take the shot,
and he dies shortly thereafter. And obviously I'm very bitter
about that. Reading about Jason Jones, I saw a post
you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously,

(23:10):
as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin,
and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over
the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very,
very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not by neglect,
but by will because people refused to allow the treatments

(23:34):
that were being proven to work. And that makes me anger, angry,
and bitter on a level that is not healthy.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I can relate. It's basically politics.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Or science, and it's bizarre to me that. I mean,
it's great to see that more and more states are
making ivermectin over the counter, but they're treating it like
the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibermectin. If
it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly,
we need the FDA just to make the make the

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drug over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.
It's safer than than antibiotics, it's safer than taylanal uh
and patients are going to the feed store to get
their medication, which I at this point I think it
must be safe because you would be hearing otherwise.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
But this is America.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
We should not be going we should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications. Uh So,
I really hope that the FDA will put science over
politics and just make it.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Over the counter.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
through every American. I mean a lot of a lot
of dirty things were revealed out of all of this
dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment and the lies.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Mary taly Boden is our guess.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Damn it all right, this is Mark Chestnut in enjoy
as are of talk radio.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Sound of Carlos.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
So we've gone from Mary Jane to Maria.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh it's Mary in Spanish. Oh, I had no idea.
That's just weird. That's just weird.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You could have done doctor, doctor, you could have done
all the doctor stuff, You could have done all sorts
of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the
first name and and derivations of the first names. That's weird,
very weird. Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have
done this? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,

(25:42):
and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, the doctor author, a
celebrity guest of huge programs, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,
tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell
you how many people they think we're like big buddies.
They send messages, Oh my god, your girl Mary Telly

(26:04):
Boten is on Tucker Carlson and she's doing great. I
don't know if they thought you were gonna flop or what.
Talk about that. How was that experience?

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
it's given to my kids because people are now saying.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Oh, your mom was on Joe Rogan, So that that.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Has been nice for the kids because they they had
to sort of hide who their mother was for a
few years.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Is very authentic and very candid. He told me things
I couldn't believe he was telling me off air. And
Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting Joe Rogan, you
would have no idea where.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
His studio is.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's in this like non descript sort of warehouse looking.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Thing in Austin.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to uh Tucker,
and I brought another kid to Rogan and now to
get two more kids to two other shows.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
But yeah, the best part of it was.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Was the kids and having them have some pride in
their mother because what they're hearing from other people.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean it really
amplified your message dramatically, I guess.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I mean I didn't see my follower account explode or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I mean it just, you know, it's been.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort of
huge explosion.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Guess is there any regret you have through all of this,
going back to the day before you got involved.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I mean it has taken as toll. I am exhausted,
and if you know I'd been giving. If I'd been
given a choice, I don't know that I would have
chosen us. But I mean I've learned a lot and
I'm a lot stronger. I mean I used to hate
public speaking, and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been
forced to use my voice and yeah, I feel like

(28:16):
I can help people by speaking out and so you know,
it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
At this point.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think we all have purpose in life, and some
of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that
purpose changes with each season in life. But I think
you met your moment and I think maybe you never
expected to be in the situations where you ended up,
and yet you rose to the occasion in a way
you probably never could have guessed you would summon that

(28:48):
level of strength, and that has to be that has
to be a pretty cool experience to look back on that.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.
It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah, it's like
I said, it's it strengthened me in ways I never imagined.
And yeah, I would just encourage people. I mean, it's

(29:21):
hard when you speak the truth and you're outspoken about
what you're seeing, it's it's difficult. But after going through
a very low point. I feel like I'm going, you know,
I'm rising now. I'm still in survival mode, but I
do have I have one win. I did, I sue
the FDA in one but we have we still have

(29:42):
so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want
I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well, and and that brings us to the next thing
and what your life looks like and where you see
that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously
you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I
get emails from folks who say they can't get an
appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.
She has her political side, she has her medical side.

(30:10):
What does that look like for you in then near
and long term?

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could buye shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,
I mean to continue to practice. I think that's key
because it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's
going on. I am going to do a weekly podcast.

(30:35):
I'm collaborating with an independent journalist Shannon and Joy and
coming on after her show, and it's going to be
called on Call with doctor Mary Tally Boden, and I'm
going to focus on answering questions because.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm sure you can relate.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
My dms on social media are just flooded with people
with questions and requests and I just can't.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Keep up with it. So I see this as a way, okay,
I can.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
I can answer the questions that the most people have
and get it all done once a week and give
people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on
this other podcast platform called America Alloud News, and I
find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave me
a voice and it really was helpful. And so I
like giving other people a voice when they've been you know,

(31:21):
persecuted or beaten down and giving them a chance to
share their story.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I find that very gratifying.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And when will that begin?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
In September, first week of September. It will be on Wednesdays.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Is it on call?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
C A l L or c a w L Because
that's the national dish of Wales. It's a it's a thick,
it's like a stew. I think it would be awesome
if you did it as on call and people tune
in and they think they're going to get COVID talk
and instead you talked about how to make the best
Welsh stew. Now, that would be very normal.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Donald. I had that. That is the first I've heard
of that.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So I'll give it some thought, some thoughts.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I could see you being big and Cardiff, and it's
a whole new audience for you. You know, there's have
you been to Wills it's really beautiful, No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Wells.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry, no business,
no hardly anything, just a little resort shop there where
you hire some guide to go for a hike. And
I could see that being I could see that being
really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. There's
all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never

(32:36):
never acknowledge it's that. That would be the memory of
Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Bode. And I am
so proud to call you my friend. You are really
and I know you don't take well to compliments. You're
like Chad Nakanishi. But you really are a hero. What
you have done, the people you have saved, and the
voice you have found, and your willingness to continue to

(32:57):
fight and show people to fight the way Trump did
after he got shot in the head. It's incredibly inspiring.
The book is dangerous misinformation by it today, the virus,
the treatment, and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank
you for spending an hour with us.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Thank you, Michael Ramon.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Do you know what that would cost if we had
gone into her clinic? Did have been on our show
and there would have been needles involved.