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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Several people sharing their stories by email. Since I mentioned
the jelly roll story, Chad said, the other incredible weight
loss story is actor Ethan Suppley. Am I pronouncing that right? Suppley?
Soup lee s U p l e E. He played
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the fat guy in a lot of things. Remember remember
the Titans, American History Acts. My name is Earl and
he shows a picture of him where well, let's just
say he's not fat anymore. He has an excellent podcast
called American Glutton where he delves into health, fitness, and
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lifestyle and chat.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Showed me a before and after.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You can't even tell us the same, dude, he went, Well,
he went from looking like you and then before to
looking like me afterwards.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah. Fit, I mean just a vision of no, not gangly.
You know that's not nice.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know what, that's the one thing that hurts my
fields that you say, you know what, I'm gonna put
some muscle onto twenty twenty six just so you can't
make fun of me. Yeah, it's exactly what I'm gonna do.
People sending me emails about their weight loss, it's an
amazing thing. Watching Ramon's transformation. Can I other before and
after from three eighty to two twenty. Of course he's
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two for forty today, but we're talking about that later.
Watching the transformation from three eighty to two twenty, it's Uh,
for people who have never been fat, they cannot understand it.
A lot of people just kind of bumble through life
and they're kind of always about the same aidia the
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same way. They'd like to lose a couple of pounds.
But that's you know that it's not that big a deal.
Why does everybody obsess over it? But for people who
get big, so big that that's the thing people are
going to remember you for If there's a party of
people and someone's talking to you in the corner, and
like I was talking to a guy and you know,
since we're going to Jamaica. He went to Jamaica, and
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he was telling me where to stay, what to do?
Which guy?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The guy?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, he is wearing a blue shirt. That doesn't
help uh. He was wearing.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Kangaroos, you remember the ruse from the That doesn't help
me either.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
He was wearing skinny jeans. You know, they're kind of
stuck to his legs. No, it was a few of those.
He was really fat. Oh yeah, I remember him. Yeah,
And not only going to bring up bald because that
doesn't even need that doesn't that didn't enter into this conversation.
So for somebody, and a lot of people have this
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who goes through most of their life and that is
their their thing and they've struggled with it. There's people
that are rich can't lose weight. There's people who have
everything in life can't lose weight, and it affects every
aspect of their lives, every aspect of their lives, sex, life, fitness, sleep, energy,
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self confidence, whatever else. I'm not saying it has to.
If you're fat and happy, be fat and happy. I
don't care. I really don't good for you. There's people
that are perfectly fit, skinny, and aren't happy. In fact,
I have found that most women who have rock star
bodies hate their body. They think they're ugly, and that's
what forces them to eat less and work out more. Hey,
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whatever it takes, but it's you know, I'd rather be happy.
But in any case, people sending me emails about their
their weight loss stories, it is I was having this
conversation with somebody this last week. I don't want to
say their name because I'm not authorized to tell the story,
but this person's lost over one hundred pounds and as
a former drug addict, alcoholic, the whole deal in a
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in a job, a career where that is very common.
And my wife was in on this conversation when we
were talking, and he said, and it's not the first
time I ever heard this said, but every time I
hear it, it always kind of rings true. He said, you know,
I did it heroin. You quit Heroin, never go around anymore.
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I did coke. You quit coke, You never go around anymore.
I drink, you don't drink anymore. I can't be I can't,
I can't. I can't ever have one drink. But the
problem with food and a food addiction is, and I
think Jilly Roll was talking about this too, now that
I think about it, is that it's the one thing
you still have to do, but now you have to
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do it in moderation.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A true addict.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Understands that the only way to beat that addiction which
has a hold of you is to completely one hundred
percent never do it once. Food is the one thing
you can't do that. You have to eat food to survive,
and when your relationship with food has been so tortured,
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I will say that if I have a skill in life,
I would like to think it is empathy. That is
not to say that I think if you commit a murder,
I'm going to let you off. You go into prison.
I'm Michelle Owkan when it comes to that. But that
is to say that I can understand that people have
an addiction of problem and affliction, whatever that might be.
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Even if I don't personally suffer from that, I can
still understand it because I can filter it through things
that I struggle with or through somebody I know how
they struggle with it, and that makes sense to me anyway. Ramon,
I think it would be nice to have people call
up and share how much weight they lost and how
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it changed their life. And I say that because I
made a decision in mid November, probably the second week
of November. No, it's my birthday, November tenth, turn fifty five,
said I'm gonna get back into fighting shape by January. First,
I drop about fifteen pounds. If I lose I don't
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have a very big frame. If I lose if I
lose a certain amount of weight, if I get down
to one seventy five, I start looking kind of sickly
because I don't have broad shoulders or you know, muscular
chure as they would say, I just get thin, and
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so you know, you got to be careful. Then you
just start looking goofy. And I've done that too, but
it's a goofy you enjoy because if you've always carried
a couple extra pounds and you always wanted to lose that.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And so.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I decided, all right, I'm getting petru, We're stepping up
the workouts. I'm gonna eat right. I didn't drink for
three weeks, you know, the whole deal. Anyway, So if
you are a person whose life was changed by losing weight,
I would love to hear from you to inspire other people.
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I did that so that on January first, I could
hit the ground running because most people, you know, the
people who say.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Oh, new Year's resolutions, those are stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's a person who tried a New Year's resolution ten
years in a row and failed, and so they make
jokes that you know, they dismiss it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I think there's something to be There's something about renewal.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There's something about feeling better, having more energy, a better
sex life, a better you know, feeling about yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Seven one three nine one thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Michael marry.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
MONA, you were up first, sweetheart. Take it away.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know you have a very your life.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Losing weight is pretty incredible, but sometimes the people around
you aren't prepared for the change. Okay, for yourself, and
you know, I was married for twenty plus years and
just kind of put on a few pounds every year.
And one day I looked in the mirror and I
was forty eight years old, and I didn't recognize the
person in the mirror. It's like, that's not who I
am on the inside. And I doubled down and lost
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about forty five pounds in six months and have kept
it off ever since. But the byproduct of that was
that people around me who were the most important in
my life, my husband and my children, didn't like the change.
They didn't like that mom was changing, and kids sometimes
said I really liked you better when you were soft
and squishy, But I said, you know, I had to
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do it for me. And once I learned how to
control just the food, I put in my mouth and
how that made me feel. I began to look around
and think, what other parts of my life am I
not happy with? That I could also control and it
led to a brand new chapter that is incredibly fulfilling.
And the people who get it get it, and the
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ones who don't, well, they're just missing out on the
best part of me.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You have a great voice.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
By the way, I think it's harder for women than men.
I really do think. I think men can carry some
weight that women can't because of our natural There's nobody's
at fault for this, our natural inclination toward women being
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the prettier and men being the stronger and the provider,
you know, and you see this in nature. And I
also think it's harder for women because I think your body.
You said you were forty eight, I think your body
is naturally inclined to retain weight and your metabolism slows,
and it's harder. My wife works out like a maniac.
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I mean, she works out so hard and she eats
right and she doesn't drink. And I know it's harder
at fifty eight than it was at you know, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's just your body is working against you. But good
on you that you did that at forty eight. Good
on you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Are you not going to acknowledge the fact that I
said that you had a great voice?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Well, does that make Maybe it's just.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
A voice for radio, but I sure do. I sure
listening to you every day, and.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Where else does a voice matter than on radio?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Mona, Well, I would be lying if I didn't tell
you that I do have a podcast so I get
to share my voice on other things.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You'd not only be lying, you would have sold yourself short.
What is the name of your podcast?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The name of my podcast is called A Field with
Christiana Russel and it is produced by Soul Grown Alabama
here in Birmingham.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, that's a lot with Christiana.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
What it's a mouthful? Christiana Reseel Resell r O U
S S. E.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
L Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I used to live across the street from a fellow
named Peter Peter Russell.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
There you go A Field with Christiana Roussel, I see it.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, we talk about all things Alabama outdoors. Because once
I lost weight, I went on a trip and I
did some up on hunting, and I decided that I
really liked it, and so I bought a shotgun and
the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You're a spunky little thing. I like you. Thanks a
field with Christiana Roussel.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Christiana's the Christian looking atheen.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh I got it, sweetheart. I'm on your page. Tim Gothard,
Alabama Wildlife Federation.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
The best one? Well, they're all great. I can't pick
a favorite, but the one I did was Kyle live Barger,
who's got the native habitat.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh, she's a cutie, Ramon, look her up.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh my goodness, when are you coming back to Birmingham?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Not now?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I can't. I can't be having seductresses alluring me to Birmingham.
I'm a Oh my goodness, look at her. She is cute.
At you are just adorable. Good for you. How much
do you did you lose?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Christiana? Oh she's not Christian. Why did she tell me
her name was Mona?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Mona?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Why did she tell me her name was Mona? There's
nothing embarrassing about that. She's adorable. She's just cute as
she can be.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Good for her.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's hard.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think it's a lot harder for women, I really do.
I think it's a lot harder for women to lose
weight than minute.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Darren, You're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Hold right there, you give me the first call, and
then we're going to Kathy Donna and Paul.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wait right there show. I don't know if I mentioned
it yesterday on the air.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I meant to, but it was Tracy Bird's fifty ninth birthday. Yeah,
we mentioned it for the PM show. We didn't mention
it for the first My apologies on that. What a good, decent,
honorable dude in a business that is largely dirty.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What a good dude.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And I owe a big thanks to Greg Fountain, who
my brother knew from the copp community in Beaumont, and
he reached out to me. He reached out to my
brother when my brother reached out and said, hey, Tracy
Bird wants to play RCC, and I said, he doesn't
tour anymore. He doesn't, he doesn't play anymore. I know
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he wants to make a comeback. He's ready, he's ready
to start back. Okay, Chris, how do you know this?
He told Greg Fountain. And I'd heard stories about Greg
Fountain and I said, okay, well I'll get right on that.
A week later, Hey, Tracy Bird wants to come back,
he wants he wants his first show to be at
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the RCC.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
How do you know this, Greg? Oh yeah, Greg Fountain,
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well it turns out it was true, all of it.
It was true, Friend of mine. Four hundred and forty
five pounds down to two fifteen, he says, surprises that
happened to me. My shoe size went from fourteen to eleven.
None of my rings fit anymore. My face aged fifteen
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years after the weight loss. Getting a two paid doesn't
help counteract that. I'm always freezing cold like an old man, maw.
I never sweat. I haven't been inside a restaurant, ordered
delivery food, or been to a drive through.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
In three years.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was able to throw away my handicapped parking sticker
and walking canes. Well, why would you throw away your
handicapped parking sticker that has nothing to do with being handicapped,
That just gets you a better spot. My grocery bill
is a third of what it used to be. Switching
to another addiction to replace food is insanely common. There
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really must be such a thing as an addictive personality.
I'm looking forward to this upcoming segment. I hope it's
live and you're not off in palm springs or aspen.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, that's nice. Why does everybody feel the need to
take a jab at me? Ramon? Here we are slaving
over a hot.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Micuh Christiana Roussel who called in under Mona.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We looked her up. She wasn't obese before. She just
she was fluffy.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
She had a few extra pounds, but you would never
describe her as being obese. But as she said on
her on her page, she's on Facebook. You can find
her r O U. S.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
S E. L.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And you can find her podcast if you put her
name in. She went from one eighty one to one
thirty seven. But the transformation in her self confidence. If
you see the photos, it's it's it's massive. Patrick, you're
on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir, Hey Michael.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I was two hundred and ninety three pounds about ten
years ago, and it took me dying on a golf
course at high Meadow Ranch. I dropped dead on the
fifth hole. The groundskeeper found me, gave me a ride back.
They called an ambulance.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I went to.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Memorial Herman in the Woodlands and doctor Steven Manuscalco did
open heart surgery on me and the damage had been
done over ten years of being two hundred ninety three.
I was one eighty when I had my heart attack,
but he brought me back. I was ninety eight percent
included in five major arteries Quintuple Bypass.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Where are you today?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I'm in Houston, Texas. I actually grew up with some
mutual friends. My next door neighbor was Jim and John Jacobson,
the founders of Arctic Oh and my next door neighbor
down the street was Steve Alvis. Oh wow, quest property.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Funny you mentioned Steve Alvis. I had a party last night.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And I use oak and pinion from his ranch in
New Mexico and juniper, which is also from his ranch.
He has a company called Indian Head. It's just a
side deal he does think he just does it for fun.
I don't think he makes any money or cares if
he makes any money. But that's where I get my
wood from. And I put the juniper on Brian.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Oh, okay, so you know the Harst story.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, their wood is fantastic, and you don't want to
put too much juniper because it crackles, which is what
you want out of a out of a campfire.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I'm no campfire expert.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not Holmes Williams, but uh, you put one piece
of that juniper on there, and you get what you
want out of a campfire. Which is that just glorious
crackle like in the movies. But it also it'll come
flying out of there at you anyway. So someone us saying,
where do you get this wood? And I was telling
the Steve Alvis story. Well, it's a good story.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Kathy, you're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sweetheart.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Hi. I'm sixty two and I lost twenty five pounds.
I went from one fifty one to one twenty six
and just a plug for soda weight loss. I did
that about a year ago, and I just feel a
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lot better. I started it because my cholesterol was creeping up,
my blood pressure was creeping up, and I'm I've always
been pretty active, but I just kept that weight on
and I just really didn't want to have to go
on medications, and started also doing some resistance training and
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stuff over the year, and I just want to just
say that it was it seems like I wasn't obese,
but I just didn't feel good. And I just have
learned to eat better and I feel lot better just
physically and can do do more.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I ride horses. I'm a barrel racer and she's a
barrel racer bone. You know what that means.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And just as an add on the fact that I'm
I'm in better shape, is that about a month ago,
I was bucked off my horse and I broke both
my arms. And I feel like I'm because of where
I was at physically when this happened. That I'm recovery.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
What was that matter, right, Walter? Is it your horse?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Yes, it was my horse. He never busked before.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Anyway, that's my story.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And he bucked you.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
He bucked that day.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know, so much of life is being mindful, being
mindful of your relationships, being mindful of what you put
in your body, being mindful of showing the people.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You love that you love them.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And it's really just a question of being conscious and
mindful of what you put in your body.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Is just that symptom. On Monday, Joe Eally died of
the Flatlanders.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Although I don't know that you have to say the
flat Landers, joe E Lee stands on his own. I
think Joe E Lee gave glamour to the Flatlanders more
than the flat Landers gave glamour to him. I don't
know that it matters, but no disrespect to Jimmie del Gilmour,
which handcock. But I was not the biggest Joe Eely fan.
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And I don't say that as a criticism. I say
that as a person who is an inch wide and
a mile deep. I do not experiment enough with different
musicians and genres. I like what I like, and I
tend not to listen to a lot of new stuff.
I have a lot of friends, particularly in the music scene,
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who revere Joe Ealy and his contribution to music, and
I trust and respect their judgment.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's not that I don't know who Joe e Ly is.
I just never went deep into Joe e Lely.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I've spent a lot of time in say Gary Stewart,
which probably most people haven't, but that was just Joe
Eely was never one of those. So the night two
nights ago, I sent a text to dub Miller at
eleven o'clock at night and I said, Hey, Joe Ealy
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passed and I just learned about it. I'm late to
the game. I was never a big fan of Joe Eely.
Just because I didn't listen to a lot of Joe
E Lely, I knew enough so that I could say,
I know what his music sounded like. Could you just
give me some Joe E Lee that the essential Joe
e Ly. Dub Miller is the only person alive who
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I know who at that moment would never go to
the internet and look up Joe E Lely. He would
sit in a quiet space and write down his list
and then move them around on his list and then
compose it on his phone, doesn't on a computer and
send you that list without ever having looked it up.
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I know that because I know dub Miller. But I
also know that because I did do that, and his
list is not anywhere on the internet.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Now. I did tell him.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Being a musician's musician, I don't want the deep cuts
that nobody's ever heard of.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It needs to be some songs that people are going
to recognize.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
But if there's there's one that's more popular than others
but not as important as another one, you can put
that one higher own list.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But this was doub Miller's list. Can I got a
drum roll? Please?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
This is wddub Miller's list of the essential Joe Ely. Now,
I should tell you that the directions I gave him
was don't go too deep, stuff that his fans would
know and even non fans might recognize. So he sends back,
so his most widely known songs. That statement by Doub
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Miller is dripping with Oh yeah, so you don't want
the good stuff, you just want the stuff everybody know.
Very musician, very musician of him said So the list
was drum roll Please.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
In no particular order, Dallas, which we just played for you.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
She never spoke Spanish to me, must have not have
got a lot of That's pretty funny, Guyo del Cielo.
That's a cover all just to get to you. And
then his list of runners up West Texas Waltz.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I guess we're not doing drum rolls anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Me and Billy the Kid, Box Cars and Settled for
Love Best Compilation Live and An tones Well wrote, Okay,
do you want to give a list or do you
want dub to give a list? Just on't clear because
you clearly went to the internet, you found a list,
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you saw it, and now you want to read from that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Okay, road goes on for ever, not on his list. Okay,
take it up with dubloir.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Okay, when you play Bucky Duck as the headliner, then
you can have your list. And then finally my personal
favorite barbecue and phone the live at Liberty Lunch version.
It really is like getting to talk to my grandmother
because I know, without a shadow of a doubt that
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Dub did not go look that up anywhere. He sat
there and he thought through music that he has enjoyed
driving in his truck as a landman across New Mexico
and thought, one of that song is important for this reason,
and they're just not a lot of people that would
do that anymore. That's a throwback. You need a Dub Miller.
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Everybody needs a dub Miller. A guy that's fifty going
on one hundred and twenty Brett, you're on the Michael
Berry Show. Ramon tells me you lost three hundred and
fifty pounds, Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, I think i'd keep up. We got that high.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You know, you tend to for the first little bit
and then you know once you I think in the
first year after the surgery, I lost two hundred pounds
and then the next year another one hundred After that,
you sort of stopped paying attention at that point.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Brett to put into perspective how much you lost Ramone
at his absolute fattest, And I keep those photos to
keep him skinny, and I'll send them to him on
occasion and he's like, oh, hey, I don't want to
go back there. You lost the entirety of Ramon at
his fastest.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So what are you weigh today?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Around two fifty something like that, So.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You're almost six hundred? Are you over six hundred pounds?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah? I was six oh one at my highest. That
was a month before the surgery date I checked in, How.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Did you know you were six o one? Like, how
does someone come to the knowledge at their six oh one?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It was, uh, you know, when you get to that weight,
it's actually very difficult to find a scale that would
weigh you. The surgeon's office had a scale. I think
that went up to like a thousand pounds, but.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
He's read or anything.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, it was it was very difficult to find somewhere
to actually weigh yourself when you got up to that point.
But that was a month before the surgery. I was
six oh one and that was the first time I'd
ever seen a six at the beginning of the number,
and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So I watched the Joe Rogan interview with Jelly row In.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Rogan was talking about the fact that he goes for
a walk and he puts a forty five pound plate
in a backpack on his walk just to make it tougher.
And he's talking to Jelly Roll, who's just lost three
hundred pounds, and he said, imagine, so you could not
left three hundred fifty pounds. I guarantee you couldn't bench
press it. You couldn't and you were hauling that around
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all day every day. Yeah, God, Brett, that is you
must just talking about a new lease on life.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Well, wow for being six hundred pounds, I was, you know,
still getting out there and doing quite a bit. I was.
I was. I was a volunteer firefighter. I was an
emty raised here actually seventy two of my.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh my god. Yeah, Brett hold on, what a story.
Good for you?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, there should be a pill to get to know,
like Brett Fields being two.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Fifty instead of six hundred. Boll I'd take that
Speaker 3 (29:07):
M