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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. Still
Michael Varry Show is.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm in a high screen bassou don't do here good.
I hear perfectly.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane
to the situation.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
God damn, German's got nothing to.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Do with it.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Why I doc, are you telling me you built a
time machine? Kind of a doloreate the.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Way I see it.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
If you're gonna build a time machine into a car,
why not do it some style.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
He's an malma away in a new cattle like I
had a fine bots and Gunner had three mo in
the fat. What a piece of jug. She may not
look like much, but she's gotta weark cows.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Kid.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I've made a lot of special modifications myself.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You knee when.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, we bad? You knee? And why, dear mother, I
was speeding. I was driving like a maniac. You can
all be grateful to this man for stopping us. Sir,
I'm going back to get the rest of the carcass
off the road. Peak Officer.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Long. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I don't know how to say this delicately, but I
have heard from several frequent black callers who are. Oh
I'm not sure how I would describe their reaction, but
they took the time to comment on you not knowing
Parliament funkadel Like one of them. One of the point.

(02:05):
You can say, I don't listen to music, and you
don't have to know Hall and Oates, But who doesn't
know Parliament Funkadelic, who's black of a certain age?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And I said, well, yes, I knew the music. I
listened to music. Uh, I'm more into the sounds than
I am of the artist names.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay. I used to like that particular sound and used
to think I'd like to hear that sound right now.
How would you go about finding it?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I never looked for it, just whatever came up at
the time, you know. Uh, you know, I used to
be into uh you know, the beg's names stand out,
but I couldn't tell you exactly what they you know,
the songs that they made and stuff, you know, But
I knew it was a white group. Elton John you
know Island Girl that that stands out as a name

(02:54):
of a song he made.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, are there any black any black artists in this group?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
In which group?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
And the people the music that you like?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I liked the Uhlaniel Ritchie, Stevie Wonder,
Michael Jackson. I liked a whole lot of them.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
No, I was talking about black artists. Oh yeah, you
said Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I liked a lot
of the music that they played. I wasn't into the
artists and stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Did you grow up in Houston.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Hebert High School?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh? We must have talked about that.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, we did. You said, thank you somebody grandfather, your grandfather? Yeah,
my my uncle drove the bush.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Also yeah, and so where did you grow up?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Exactly in Beaumont. We lived in laos uh in the
sixties and then but yeah, around the yeah, the wartime.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And then what yeard you come out of high.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
School seventy seven?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And then what did you do?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh? I had about twenty seven different jobs, but the
biggest ones I guess, Port of Beaumont ups and post
office mailman?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh were you the mail man from Orange Dad's we Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now I remember, Oh you did tell me the same
mail man, but I told him vond from Beaumont, the
black guy.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, now I remember, yes, yes, yes,
because you didn't even tell me you were the male
man from Orange. You had yourself as a mailman from
Port Arthur and somehow.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Even work in Port Arthur and yeah and Orange and.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Then it came around and accidentally sprinkled in Oh yeah,
and in Orange. Oh yes, I remember that call? Now, okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I worked twenty nine years and put out and
the rest of my years in Orange state, like thirty
one and a half years altogether.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
And what do you do now?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Nothing, nothing at all, but we'll work on my car,
try to find something wrong with it and try to
think of something to do. Read a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Are you single?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh? Yeah? Single and been looking just you know, once
burnt twice. They it's kind of hard to just jump
into a relationship. I look at each relationship is marriage,
you know, and you just can't find what you're looking.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
For when you have you been married before?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah? Stay married twelve and a half years?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Just one time?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, just one time?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Black woman?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Y yeah, I can say yeah, black woman? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Why do you hesitate?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Not the not the typical one though, so I might
get some calls to you on that.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
What do you mean not the typical one?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Uh? Yeah, I don't want to go into detail, but.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, you mean like tuty on facts of life.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, the name might Uh, I don't know facts of life,
but I guess Twudy might you mean.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
What do you mean? Not the typical black one? You
mean not a lot of attitude?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
There you go? Okay, Yeah, that's part of it. I
think you can probably put it in words better than
I can.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, I have an idea. Yeah, And so what happened there?
How come y'all aren't together anymore?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh? From my perspective, I would say that, uh, she
had carry over from childhood that I couldn't properly put
things back together again, and I was to blame for
not being able to do that.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Interesting. You know, have you ever owned dogs? Fun? Yes, so,
over the years, I've had a lot of dogs. I
like dogs. I spent a lot of time with the dog.
I interact a lot with the dog. I find it
to be a very enjoyable process because dogs don't judge you,
they don't argue.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
With you exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
They connect on a very deep level with you, an emotional,
nonverbal level. And you know, I've noticed that a dog
that is treated badly in their early years, because we've
taken in a number of rescue dogs over the years.
But a dog that is treated badly well for the
rest of their lives, there is a certain woundedness to them.

(07:59):
Oh yeah, and it's hard for them. They never fully recover,
and they're different than a dog that was treated nicely.
And it's interesting. And if that is true of a dog,
I don't know why it would not be true of
a human being. That there is a certain emotional pain

(08:19):
that people bring with them that affects everything going forward.
And unless you can identify that, you think, well, why
are we arguing over something so stupid? And you realize
we're not arguing over what you think you're arguing over.
We're arguing because that person has unrequited anguish. Most underrated

(08:40):
skinnered song of all time. I'll get five emails. I
got the greatest skinner saw all the time. Didn't say
it was that's not not and didn't say it was
that underrated. That word is is hard for people to understand. Ramone,
very hard for people to understand. I got an emailist
Warren from a fellow named aj Bob Babbeluski. That's a name,

(09:06):
aj Babbeluski. You think he goes by babs bab Babby
babo lusky loose. What would you what would you call
aj b Baba? It could be it's b a b o,
might be baba Luski, might be baba lusky b a

(09:27):
b o l U s k y, he said, fishing
with Diddy. D I d d Y, help me honor him?
Question mark. He would tear up if you read this
on the radio. I hope it's tear up. I know
it's not tear up. Might be like a piece of paper.
He might be old and fragile. Zar this is ross

(09:50):
from nac that's Nacodochius for you. Attached is a picture
of my Diddy in the black drum he caught this
morning near Port Levaka. My Diddy would work eight to
ten hours a day in a steel meal in Grapeland, Texas,
Houston County, then come home and work cows, work on
the cars and trucks, build our house, put in septic systems,

(10:12):
build fences. Too many things to list. He was and
is always busy then and now to bring up me,
my sister Ashley, and my brother Vance. His name is
Randy T. Beard. His middle name is Talmage, but he
tells black people his middle name is Tyrone Love you, dude,

(10:35):
have a great day. How come him to be named
aj Babuleuski and his dad's name is Randy Beard? Randy Jbeard. Humh,
Come on, then there's a picture. See what This is?
A big fish. Old Randy is struggling to hold his
fish up. He's trying not to groan. But I'm gonna

(10:56):
tell you what. He might blow a hernia holding this
thing up by its guilt. This is a big I'll
post a picture of it. He is for a white fellow.
He's got quite a ten. I bet he's doing a
lot of fishing. He's got a chemo. He's got Chimo
dad shorts, which means we got utility pockets on the side.
He's got the requisite flip flops. Man, I'll tell you what.

(11:19):
His feet are so dark. This dude is doing so
much fishing. His feet are so dark. He could walk
around in India just his feet and you would think
he's I'm seriously brown. And then let's move on up here.
We got the kind of comfortable button up shirt. His arms,
oddly enough, are not as dark as his feet, which

(11:42):
is unusual because you usually get more there. Let's see here,
I cannot read what his cap says. He's got a
mustache like every man of his age should. He's got
his eyeglasses on. Let's see here. I'd like to read
to you what his ball cap says, but I can't see.
His camo was something written on it. He probably bought

(12:04):
that at the jazzper Superet while he was on a
hunting trip. But anyway, so Michael Robinson remembers the show
on August sixteenth of last year, so this is right
before the election, and he said here was his review
of because he named it one of our top ten
shows of all time. He said, Tyrone called lamenting the

(12:28):
fact that all of his family, being black, were going
to vote for Kamala, and he was sickened by it
and he couldn't understand it. You already had Vaughn on
the line from an earlier conversation, so you brought Vaughn
into the conversation and they went back and forth on
the black tribal mindset, and they both made some profound points.

(12:48):
You just sat back and let it unfold. It was glorious.
I mean that sounded like a good I remember it now,
I mean I don't remember it in that level of detail.
But I do, I do remember it. That's not the
only two black people we have listened. We have RJ
on the Black Line, we have Joye to sage the sundayside.

(13:10):
I guess the fact that I can rattle off who
the black people are we have means we don't have
that many black listeners. But a lot of black folks
are scared to call in because being black is kind
of communal. Being black is kind of communal, and so
there's always this fear if you call in that people

(13:30):
are gonna, you know, they'll be like, they're gonna know
us me. You ever know how much base black men
have in their voices. That's an interesting phenomenon. I've never
been able to figure that out because I don't know
if if people learn how to talk, because I can
talk like that, if I talk like that all the time,
But I don't know if it if it's an affect

(13:52):
taste that's not for us to go shut up. I
don't know if it's an affectation or if it is
actually a genuine genetic difference. I find it to be
very interesting. But if you notice black collars who call
in all have a little bit of the voice of
the narrator of shaft In them yell old Michael, this

(14:16):
is this is born. I'm calling in. I would like
to talk about ivamecnin. I like Iva Mactin, but I
can't seem to get Iva mactin. Now, I'd like to
tell you about eighteen times about rosemeritic perfucation. And I've
been reading about the Alopecia nation of the Peregonia tree

(14:41):
and the effects it is having on the Aboriginal people
of southern North Dakota. And what I'm reading been reading
on this, and what I'm finding is that the cross
pollenization between the strawberry plant and zinc is having uh

(15:05):
what what what what people are talking about is uh
remedial effects of consination. And I don't know, do you
ever notice that it's real deep, real deep? And I
don't but like Berry White, so you recognize, Okay, Berry White,

(15:26):
great voice. Everybody loves that voice, or Lou Raws Okay,
but especially Barry White. How come one white dude, just
one enterprising white dude trying to find his way, doesn't go, Hey,
I'm gonna I'm gonna try that or is that a
is that a distinctly black thing? It's a serious question,

(15:47):
very serious.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Do I have a story for you?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
My brother in law murdered too Native American. You have
my attention, And I've got a producer who's powering right
now because he repeated the requisite lines you're supposed to
repeat if you're connoisseur of music, about how great Stevie

(16:12):
Rayvaughn is. And I said, I like Stevie Rayvaughn, but
if we're doing the overrated underrated, I'm gonna have to
put you over in the overrated, and then a bunch
of people are going to react. The child's Davy rising
gradest is name three songs. I've got Davy ray Bag

(16:37):
the dock. People announce how much they love Stevie rayvaugh
and they don't know anything about him. But it's one
of the things. It's like, you know, up until nineteen
sixty nine in the United States, you had to have
two years of German to get a PhD answer the phone.
Now you answer the phone. So it's one of those

(17:00):
things that you have to have, you have to be
so you never don't you find it odd that nobody
doesn't like Stevie Ravon. There are people that don't like Elvis,
the Beatles, the Stones, Led Zeppelin, But nobody ever says
they don't like Stevie Ravon. Wow, that's amazing, absolutely amazing.

(17:24):
It's one of these weird deals where people wear as
a badge of honor. It's like it makes a statement
about you, right, Oh, I love, oh love Steve Ravon.
Really did you ever see him in concert?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
But I was gonna really Okay, what do you love
about him? Are you kidding? Yeah? No, No, I would
actually like you to go a little deeper into what
you love about him? What what do you ma'am? He
hadn't died, And that's the point, the two things. When

(18:01):
you die early, you're guaranteed awesome success and lung legacy.
In number two, you've been told by insiders, whether it
be Rolling Stone magazine or Eric Clapton or every text,
and how much you love him? Look, I think he's fantastic.
Don't get me wrong. I don't believe people love Stevie

(18:28):
Rayvaugh the way they act like they do, and they
say they love Stevie Rayvaugh because that burnishes their credentials
of I'm a knower of things. And I hate to
say it, but it's kind of like sushi. Speaking of which,
Chad sent me a message this morning. He's working from

(18:49):
Portland this week, visiting his mom and her husband, and
he said he'd sent a picture of a cracker barrel
that closed down and somebody slapped a sushi restaurant sign
on the front, so the cracker barrel became a sushi
restaurant front, porch, rocket chet, the whole thing. Can you imagine?

(19:12):
That's crazy? All right, let's what is that the Donna?
What is thhdal? Oh, it's just Donna, But so the
thh is not Donna. You're on the Michael Berry Show. Oh,
let me do, Let me do it. Donna?

Speaker 3 (19:27):
You're up, Hey, Michael. Yeah, Fabian and my husband and
I were listening to your show Monday while we were
driving to Houston, and we were got all excited when
you started talking about Pana Maria and that area because
that's where we grew up. But I noticed she needed

(19:48):
a little help with some of the Polish words. Yeah,
and so, uh you mentioned sestajova a w in the.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Word is v and what just happened?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't know, Hello, did.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You mess that up to? What were you doing? What
are you doing that, you're accidentally knocking the calls off. Okay, anyway,
so yeah, the w mas a.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
V yes, sir. Yeah, And then you were talking about
father Leopold mi Chicamba and you really had trouble with
that word. And so anyway, that's where my husband, he
grew up in Festejova and we live in Beaumont now,
and I just grew up down the road about fifteen

(20:43):
miles in a little town called Stockdale, and we just
thought it was so cool to hear things about you
mentioned in things about home and the Polish Center and
everything down in Pana Maria. And I just couldn't get
in back then when you that day. And so I've
been waiting all day week too open like Friday to
call in and and tell you how much we appreciate

(21:04):
that story.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, thank you very much. What is your last name?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Well, our name now, my merry name is Gabberish and
that sounds easy, but the spelling is ga b R
Y s c H the Polish part of it. And
my name before that wasn't a whole lot better. It
was both sankoh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, but that's probably easier than the one you've got now.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yes, because nobody. That's how we could identify callers that
didn't you know, that were random callers and didn't really
know us, because they would slaughter the last name pretty badly.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I've got friends who you know. It used to like,
I don't have a home phone, so you know, and
and I've pretty much figured this thing out. But let's
just stay to the home phone issue. For years, you'd
get calls to your home phone, especially before we had
caller idea. It's hard for my kids to imagine this,
but there was a time that the phone would ring
and you would pick it up because it might be important. So,

(22:10):
you know, you didn't get nearly as many spam you
calls and robo calls because they didn't have the technology.
They had to put a person on it, but you
had to telemarketers. But back then, if someone would call,
you know, they'd say mister Barry and you'd be into
this conversation before you realize they're trying to sell you something. Well,
the good one is if you go by your middle

(22:30):
name when they would buy the list, If you're Michael
Christian Berry and you go by Christian and they call
and say is Michael there, you'd know right off, no,
you got the wrong number, because nobody calls you by
that name, So it makes it very easy. You know,
it's crazy, Ramon, because I'm a few years how old

(22:52):
are you? Forty eight? You look sixty. It's crazy because
I mean, I don't know how much of what I'm
about to say you identify with because of your age,
because there is a cutoff between me and you. As
to how technology started changing. But to think that the
early years, I mean, up into college, we didn't have

(23:15):
caller ID. We didn't have I mean, and then when
caller ID came out, I remember you'd have that box.
It was a bell telephone box, and that box was
golden man. You could see who was calling. And so
now all of a sudden people would call, like you
didn't want to talk to somebody. People would call you
just sit there and look at it like I ain't

(23:35):
getting that one. But you had been so conditioned to
always pick up the phone that when you'd see it
calling in, you had to hold yourself back to keep
from picking it up. And then the answering machine, the
idea of the answering machine. Do people leave voicemails now?
Because I say on my cell phone, do not leave
a voicemail. It will never be listened to send me
a text. And I don't even like to get a text.

(23:56):
I'd rather get an email. I can control that. But
I don't have a home phone. People will say, call
woke me up. You can't wake me up. I don't
have a home phone. I put my cellphone away. My
cell phone doesn't ring, doesn't muzz the whole. That's hard
for people to understand. But once you get control over
who can get access to you, your life becomes a
whole lot better. Mister robs you. That's the Michael Arry shows.

(24:26):
You can hear Lindsey Buckingham's Holiday Road voice coming through
on that part right there, on that harmony. I mean
he amped up his mic a little bit there.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
See.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Further to my point, nobody will say, man, I love
Fleetwood Mac. You will never hear anybody say that. A
woman might say, yeah, I really like kind of Fleetwood man,
but nobody will say Fleetwood Mac man, I really love

(25:00):
of them. But I guarantee you you lay out three
the three best Fleetwood Mac albums and the one Stevie
Rayvaugh album, and you leave them alone and come back
in a month and see what's been played. They'll end
up listening to the Fleetwood Mac a whole lot more.

(25:21):
My point is the people who tell you how much
they love Stevie Stevie Rayvaugh, they don't listen to Stevie Ravon.
So it's hard for me to understand. I mean, I
get it, I know exactly. It's part of a brand.
It's not about Stevie Rayvon, it's about them. I'm very texting,
I'm very cool, I'm very edgy. I have a keen

(25:41):
ear for music and a deep appreciation for the good stuff,
not the trash. Okay, how often do you listen or
you just like to you like to imagine how good
it is, but never listen to it. And that's that's
all it is to it. And then there'll be some
googer who'll send me an email. What's your problem, Steve Rovo?
All that problem? My problem is how often in life

(26:04):
we walk around saying things we don't mean without even
realizing that we don't mean it, or no, you did
in steal my girlfriend in high school, or not realizing
why we even said it. So many things that people
are for or against or love or hate is not
because of the item themselves. It is because it's part

(26:27):
of their brand identity. And I've told you this before
when twink when I announced a couple of years ago Twinkie,
they were takeing, Twinkies was going out of business. Oh
my good. People were losing their mind. And I did
it as an experiment. It was true, but it was
as an experience. Oh my god, what are you without Twinkies?
I know, when was the last time you had a Twinkie? Oh? Shoot,

(26:49):
probably second red Hot fifty years ago. Okay, well, are
you really that sad they're going out of business? Because
they still have some on the shelf that were produced
back then. You can still eat it. It'll still have
that same gelatinous creamy whatever that it was back then.

(27:10):
But no, we're not really sad Twinkies is going away.
We have a memory of Twinkies at a point in time,
and that moment is locked in, but that moment is
no longer relevant. That's my point is that. Okay, well, yeah, okay, Kathy,

(27:31):
you're up. Go ahead, Kathy, let me do, let me do.
Don't you mess it up? And then do I double
take it to get it last morning. Okay, all right,
go ahead, Kathy, good morning.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I just wanted to add and kind of tie in
to your show a little bit this morning. I moved
to Houston in nineteen eighty four and found that I
really loved the diversification in the different communities and different cultures.
H I was always treated with the greatest, greatest respect.

(28:04):
I work with the public, and I think it's just great.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yes, it's uh it's not only the diversification, it's the
you know, everybody gets along. And I still see that today.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
And where did you move from?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
I moved from Iowa. I moved from Sioux City, Iowa.
All time popcorn, soup, bee, honey, uh alps, made Levi Strauss,
my dad works for them.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But people there, did you?

Speaker 4 (28:48):
And des Moines, the capital of Iowa, had a lot
of uh black people?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And how many's a lot? Would you say it was
not enough?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I can't state that. I'm sorry. I couldn't speak educatedly
of that, but I will.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
If you were creating the perfect city when Cherokee Indians, okay,
would you say more or or less of them would
have been a good mix.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
So if you I never, I never. I've only been
to Des Moines one time and that was for the
twenty sixteen presidential election. So I can't speak to this issue.
But if you were saying, uh, if a city was
going to have a certain number of black people, would
you say it could stand to have more or fewer.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Compared to Houston?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
No, No, for ideal for to be an ideal city to.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Be perfect, I'd say fewer.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Fewer, okay, m hmm okay. And so when you moved to.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Iowa, the state has great programs no matter what nationality
you are, and they're very good of taking care of
their people as they are, you know. And a lot
of Houston, you know, in Texas.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
So why did you move to Texas? What what brought
you for a job?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah? I graduated, graduated from two years of college and
there just wasn't the job. And met a guy in
college and he had moved here and said how wonderful
it was and that I could find a job right away,
which I.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Did, and that was in eighty four.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
You said, yes, nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
You know, that's interesting because that was not Houston Boom.
There was a. In the early eighties, there was a
motto stay alive to l eighty five, and because of
the oil bust, a lot of people were suffering. I'm sorry,
what business are you in?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I'm a I actually took a lot of tech classes
and so forth and became an architectural graphics CAD designer.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Oh wow, you know, I've always I've always found that fascinating, Kathy.
I don't have any any aptitude for such things, but
I've always found architecture to be fascinating as a viewer,
so as a consumer. But there's a lot of things
in life that I liked the end product, and I'm

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fascinated by how you get to the end product. I
just don't have any aptitude on the you know, automobiles
for instance, architecture, food. I just don't have an interest in.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
The commercial and residential buildings.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, no, no, I think it's you did the.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Floor plans, and they estimating for all the floor.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Plans a pretty cutting edge. Like there probably weren't a
lot of women. Maybe you may not have been the
only one, but I bet there weren't many.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well. I started out in interior design, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
And then you got into the cad draw I.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Actually worked in the Jewish community and it was wonderful
because in the Jewish community there is a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh oh