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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
People know things are bad, but crime is out of control.
It's when a famous person is murdered. It's when the
details of a story are so gruesome that they stand
out from the normal humdrum just people getting murdered. Jocelyn
unger A, for instance, twelve year old girl who was
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brutally raped, beaten, tortured, and then thrown away like it
was trash. These are the stories that rise and bubble
up because.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The humdrum murders.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Don't even really make the news any longer. But it's
not just a wind that's blowing through. This is the
result of actions and it's not unintentional. Kim Ogg, the
Harris County District Attorney, is our guests. Let's talk about
the influence that Rodney Ellis is exerting over the Harris
County judiciary and some law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm told that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Josh Hill, the judge has tried, has had two trials
this year. I hear from people who work in the
courthouse that their judges are scared to death of Rodney
Ellis primarying them, and that there's been this sort of
trend of the white male judges that Rodney has targeted
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them with black female judges that he sort of places there,
and even some of them have been targeted if they
allow convictions in their core. I think it's important that
people understand exactly what is happening.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think you're right the gossip that you hear because
you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing the warning
belt of people. It's a different standard. I can't go
by gossip.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I can't explain the mindset of our Harris County judiciary.
It's so different than Judge Ted Poe and Judge j. Burnett,
than the people I served under when I was a
line prosecutor. And I don't know about the pressures they face,
but I can tell you the pressures that I face.
I felt it was very clear that by going after
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any kind of corruption investigation, regardless of how valid the
complaint was, was really going to be viewed as an
offensive attack. I've been called a racist. I've been called
a thug by my other officials in county government, speaking
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of Lena Hidalgo and Commissioner Ellis, an election denier. Every
bad buzzword you can imagine, and in truth, these folks
were treated just like everybody else who's a target of
a criminal investigation. We treat them with respect, etc. But
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the political retaliation was clear, and so that sets a
standard that makes an example for people. And I think
that yes, it was meant to send a message about
our party's position and what Commissioner Ellis and Hidalgo and
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others on the far left believe it should be. And
I just don't think regular Democrats, whether we live in
Sunnyside or whether we live in the Heights, or whether
we live in Cyprus, would want anything different than regular Republicans.
They just want to be able to go out about
their business without getting killed or robbed or raped. They're
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having their kids attacked. So the influence is manifest. How
it affects the judiciary, you just have to look at
people's actions and their record. Judge Hill, it's my understanding
from our prosecutors that he has only personally tried two
cases this year. They use visiting judges to a great degree,
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and the dockets move sometimes really fast, sometimes like molasses.
But these serious cases were languishing in our court so
much that I went to the legislature and Senator Whittemyer,
then now Mayor Whitmyer carried legislation to make murder trials
a priority like child sexual assaults, and it just makes sense.
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But that was direct I did at giving judges here
direction on what's important. And that's what's unusual. It's unusual
to have a judiciary that doesn't really push for better
lab funding so that we can get ballistics tests. I'm
the only one out there saying that, and you've had
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some members of the police union calling for improvements in
our labs. So what I like about fighting for public
safety is that you're rooting for the good guys. Whether
we're Democrats or Republicans, it's supposed to be about our safety,
which I thought everybody wanted. Whether this is purposeful influenced
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by Commissioner Ellison, that group that seems to want to
spend our county resources on anything but public safety, I
don't know. I think you should ask them, though, I
think the public ought to hear directly from them why
our budget is not directed at keeping them safe and
why it's being frittered way on all these unnecessary expenses
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fifty million dollars Michael for consultants to do strategic analysis
and data planning. And I'm confusing the words because it's
word soup. It's fifty million bucks to sixteen different groups
to help them decide the strategy for our county. Seems
like they could ask regular people for free. It's almost
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as if they're trying to put copies and prosecutors that
would make.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, it's almost as if they're trying to put money
in the pockets of friends of the political leader rather
than solve the problem of making the streets safer.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, I think purchasing political real estate through you know,
through contracts, is not something unique to Houston, but it's
something that constituents, our constituents don't want to tolerate. And
so as we look at these different contracts that are
sometimes complained on run through our commissioner's court, we take
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them seriously. And I was never going to look the
other way. That's not the job. So yeah, I think
they've made an example out of me. Whether the judiciary
why they act the way they act, you have to
ask each of them individually. But our records should be scrutinized.
I think that's important We're going to try and release
more information about our office and the cases next week,
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and I'll send you an invitation. Michael. We're going to
open up a data dashboard as agencies are doing across
the country, and I think you'll get a good look.
And I'm sure there'll be plenty of criticism about how
we've handled the cases. But when you look at bond,
responsibility of the judiciary, trial schedule, a responsibility of the judiciary,
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number of trials, I think everybody needs to be scrutinized
and people need to make informed decisions, and you're giving
them the info.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Thanks well, jime On Harris Kunty Districttorney.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. I really do.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's always good to talk to you. Keep keep it up.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You know, this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Is a really scary time in Houston Harris County. I
came to this community in nineteen eighty nine and I
fell in love with it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was it perfect? No, But when I ran for
office twelve years later, I would brag about how well
we did things in this community. The level of ethics. Again,
nothing is perfect. You can point to plenty of examples.
A city councilmen who were for hire and some went
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to prison. Inefficiencies, waste, you name it. But relative to
other governments, and we have become and are fast becoming
more what happened to Detroit and Baltimore and broken big cities.
It's awful and it has to stop. And good news
is we've got an election right now where we can
vote to change that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
To Michael Barry, he.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Ramon is back after he's bit beaming after the big
news of his uh, you know, his son being pinned
for being a student council president.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Today.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
This is a big deal in your in your family.
You know, this is this is probably how Joseph Kennedy,
Joe Kennedy felt, you know when when John F.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Kennedy was was elected. I can understand the pride.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Indeed, yes, it's a it's a big deal. Back to
the crime in our community. The uber driver accused of
murdering beloved Houston pastor Ronald K. Mouton, Senior of the
East Bethel Missionary Baptist Church and a road rage incident
back in twenty twenty two, remains free on bond eight
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bond violations. As the pastor's family expressed his frustration with
the numerous delays in the murder trial. The pastor's brother
says it concerns us that he can violate his bond
and still be free. Fox twenty six with the story.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
He came in these doors, walked up these stairs for
how many years?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Thirty two years, thirty two years, he.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Stopped passing these charich at the age of twenty seven,
and then got killed at age of fifty eight.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Pastor Roland Mouton is talking about his identical twin brother,
Reverend doctor Ronald Muton.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I crawled it to him, I'm not gonna lie all
the top sixty one years old, and I cried like
I'm five.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Reverend Ronald was shut and killed in a road rage
incident right here on the sixty four hundred block of
Gulf Freeway Service Road back in June of twenty twenty two.
In July of twenty two, police arrested and charged Deshan Longmire.
In March of twenty three, Longmire posted bond and since
then the case has been delayed for multiple reason. It
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was supposed to go to trial this week, but was
reset due to a defense attorney conflict.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
It will be two months from three years when he
finally goes to trial two months from three years for
somebody that committed a murder that you got clear evidence
that he did it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
According to the National Center for State Courts, the average
time for a felony case to be disposed is two
hundred and fifty six days. The Harris County District Court
Criminal Dashboard shows that more than twenty nine thousand criminal
cases are pending here in Harris County, and twenty two
percent of them are older than three hundred and sixty
one days.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
This guy's being free, basically enjoying his family while we're
still moaning in pain.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
And April record show Longmire violated his bonds by missing curfew,
but his bond wasn't revoked.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Well.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Concern that he can violate the bond and still be free,
that concerns us.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I just want him up the street, That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, Ramon brought something up that I hadn't thought about.
He was a twin the pastor who was murdered. You're
hearing from his twin brother. His family still has to
see his face.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
How painful does that have to be?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have to see the identical face of your brother
who was murdered. In some ways, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Forgetting is better.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
If you don't understand that, then you've never grieved. In
some ways, you have to move forward. Sure you remember,
you hold on to the most positive memories, and in time,
more and more memories slip away, and you sort of
shake off any memories that are questionable or uncertain in
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your life with you know, this saint of a person,
because you hold to your favorite moments with that person.
But to look at the face. Now, I've been around
a few twins, not a lot, Remond. I'm going to
give you about two minutes while I think through this, okay,
and I want you to comprise a list of all
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the twins you've known.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, you have.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To write them down. So my first set of twins
were Brent and Brant Fontaneau. We went to high school together.
They lived kind of near us. Their younger sister, Angela Fontineau,
was my classmate. I think she's now Angela Burris. I
think she's a nurse somewhere in Houston. We had connected
on Facebook a few years ago. I don't know what
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happened to Brenton Brant Fontneau. There was Ronnie and Donnie Rogers,
and I think Donnie married.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Lee Hoffpower, who was.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Elected most beautiful of our high school all four years
and a dear friend of mine. I don't keep up
with anybody hardly abad from high school Moore, so I
haven't seen any these people in a long time, but
I still remember it like it was yesterday. So I
got the Rogers is, I got the font knows who was?
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I just oh, my brother had two buddies that were DPS.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Troopers.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh Drogan, I'm gonna put DPS down for that one.
But I know, ah, I know their names. They I
think it's droging. Do I know anyone else who's a twin?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I might know.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You gotta be identical. Don't pull that fraternal stuff on me.
Not the same thing. When people think of twins, they
mean two people.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That look oh the latrells.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They think of two people look exactly the same. If
you're a fraternal twin, I just I'm sorry, but I'm
not putting you in that category. I say all that
say this, When you first meet twins, you can't tell
them apart. But anybody that knows anything about them is
once you spend any significant time, you will never mix
them up ever again like Morgan and Marcus latrell you
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because they're both they're big dudes. They always have a
scowl on their face and we're big fellows and they
got this look. Once you get to know them, you
can spot the differences just very very easily.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I guess it. How mean you got? You don't have.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Any a boy and a girl twin is fraternal that
we know. We're not counting those we have.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's not rude.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We could I could have five hundred of them. If
you're a twin, must be identical, don't get on here.
And then I gotta go you're not identical and start
yelling at you, and everybody says, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You have to be a legit twin.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That fraternal thing is is very very sketchy, very that's
as twins light. Fraternal is twins light. You know there
are a lot more twins today, Moan. I don't know
if you know this. And you'll see multiple birth families
today because of the fertility drugs. So what happens is
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they take the did you ever have what was her name?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sandra?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Sandra Carson had doctor Sander Carson.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
She was head of the fertility Clinic at Yale. Wonderful lady.
Her son was my intern when I was on a
city council one time, and every intern we had, I
swear now we didn't take every time. Dick and Harry
they had to write an essay and they had to
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put their sell on every intern we had to this
day like watching what they've gone on to do.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
By the way, Scarborough, our intern we had a few
years ago, is on her way to be a clerk
for Judge Hoe on the Court of Appeals, a huge,
huge honor's she was Professor Josh Blackman's favorite student. Remember
when she was with us, she was going off to
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ut She I think she had probably a four to
zero or close enough to it there. She came back,
went to South Texas College of Law, and then she's
going to be a clerk for the Court of Appeals,
which is a huge.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Honor, huge honor.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Anyway, that woman's son was my intern when I was
down there. All right, I would like to hear from
a twin or two. You must be an identical twin
if you are one of them seven one three nine
nine nine one thousand seven one three nine nine nine
one thousand.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
When it comes to.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Be a colony.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Do you believe Americans are better off than they were
four years ago?
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Michael Barry So, I was raised as a middle class kid.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Robin and Maurice were not identifal. There's no way they
were doing.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I could picture them in my mom's eye perfectly.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Look it up. I don't care what anybody says. VG's
are so good and I watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know what we've got to come up with
something where you watch it on YouTube and it's self
made content, but it's really good content. It's not technically
a documentary, I guess it is, but it was a
hundred songs written or sang by the Beg's. It's just
you will just sit there iraze that I don't realize that,
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like everybody knows, islands in the stream.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
When when when disco.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Killed the Begs, which they actually still lasted for another
year beyond disco, really two years touring and singing, and
then they would make their comeback a few years later.
But they outlasted disco because they weren't perceived as just disco.
But so Barry Gibb just says, okay, well then I'll
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just start writing songs for everybody else. And he did,
and Island's in the Stream being just one of many.
Lionel Richie did the same thing, by the way, but
it was incredible how many songs of theirs. It was
Reagan and Ryan Droughty that was to DPS troopers. Reagan
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Droughty tore my heart out.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
A few years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It was the day of his retirement and he sent
me a message and he said, your brother and I
talked about the day we would count down how many
days till we retire? Are all cops do that? And
he said, here I am, it's the day I retired.
And we were supposed to go get a beer after
we retired. And I'm just sitting here bawling because Chris
is not here with me. And see how well I
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did that. I'm so proud of myself. And how how
you know this was not how it was supposed to
not how it was supposed to go. My brother worshiped
those jawdy boys, Marines, DPS troopers. But see they worked
I tend there and he worked drug interdiction for Jefferson
County on I ten there, so they did a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Of the same bus together.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
There is I don't know fascination is the thing, but
there's quite a lot of interest in twins in our society.
Remember the Corps light commercial.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
I love football TV shots of Genu Lee hanging with
my friends and twins.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I am Jennifer, You're only Michael Berry. Sure are you
a twin?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I am an identical twin?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How old are you?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Hi? Am fifty six?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So how old was your sister?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Well, she died, she's forever forty nine.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh well, were you the oldest or her?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Oh no, she was older by.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Two minutes, and she wanted you to know it.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
She was pretty good about it. It was more like
when we got in trouble, she was older.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
When y'all were growing up, did y'all dress the same
in the whole deal?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
We did.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
My mom dressed us alike, and then usually, like when
we were I don't know, seven or eight, we started
dressing ourselves and occasionally we would randomly dress the same.
And then on twin Day, of course, it was on
what was tricked on people his school. In high school,
they would always have twin days, so everybody dressed up.
But Liz and I had had an end because they
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really couldn't tell the difference between us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So was twin Day a day that just random people
dressed up like their friend.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Like as long as they dressed the same. So it
was you know, people could pick their friend or you know,
if they had a siblings, sometimes they could.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, but twin Day wasn't because I was like, how
many twins do y'all have in your school?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do you have twin Day?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
No? Yeah, I just wanted to be like us, that's all.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What was the coolest thing about being a twin.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
On a on a superficial level was being able to
kind of trick people because they couldn't, you know, visibly,
you could kind of see a difference on the phone,
you couldn't tell the difference at all. But then on
another level, it was it was almost like telepathic communication,
Like we wouldn't even have to say anything, and I'd
know exactly what she's thinking, and she'd know exactly what
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I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Isn't that odd?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I guess to use singletons, that might be, But it's
just just kind of a natural thing for us, kind
of comforting.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Really, yeah, but it's just amazing to me on a
very very deep, profound level that another human being, because
you know there's the nature versus nurture argument and debate
and theories, but to see two human beings how similar
they are, not just in how they look. But I'll
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tell the thing that that always, uh, the smothers brothers
were like I bet, I guarantee you they could wear
each other's clothes down to the finest item is that
you know our diets are probably a little different, and
how how they're always the same size? Yeah, yep, very interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
I was always a little bit a little bit bigger
than her tightwise, but yeah, it was the same. And
I'll tell you that the saddest thing is when she
passed and you singletons. And that's the term this twins
has half for you people who don't have a twin,
it's lonely. It's a lonely world without your twin, and
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you all don't even realize it, but it is. It
is very different. And it's something knowing that you always
got somebody there your whole life, and that you you know,
everybody that doesn't have a twin doesn't even know. And
it's that it's it's a it's a it's a lonely world.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's just kind of interesting how all of us there
are things that are so important to us, so central
to our being. It's in our fiber. So you can
hear it in this woman that it is being a
twin her sister, what her sister meant to her, what
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her sister served as, what kind of superpower she has
as a twin that they.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Feel that no one else has.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
This happens to people, whether they're in a cult, in
a religious group, in a racial group, in a nationality.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And you don't know it.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, you you're sitting around a campfire, and I
like to ask questions, and if you ask the right
number of questions, you start learning that there's a whole
side to.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Someone that you wouldn't have even known about.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know, they lost their mother when they were five,
or you know they did five years in prison, and you, well,
I never would have guessed that about you. Seven one, three, nine, nine,
one thousand. Your story's coming up. They remain scared to
death of you, and they remain scared to death of Trump.
You're not going anywhere even if Trump does.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You're not.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Love you. And I don't often explain the little games
were in place with bumps and sound on flips and things.
This one's a little harder than most. The band is Nelson.
You'd have to know that to know that, because if
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you didn't know that, you wouldn't know that. And we
have to be unburdened by what has been so that
what will be will not be a burden as a
burden was when it was, so that in the future
it will not be, so that we can holistically view
the holistic future with a holistic approach to holisticity. The
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band is Nelson, which is the twin sons of Ricky Nelson.
So they didn't, you know, they don't want to kind
of get out of their dad's shadow, but maybe shot
a spotlight in the middle of it. Quick story and
then to the stories. Dan Endam dear friend, used to
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be the director of sales in Houston. Many people know
him Texas tech red raider, very proud to be so
he was the number two here in Houston to Eddie Martini,
and then he went Toshville to run the market there
and in short order he put us on there. So
I'm doing a market visit to Nashville and we went
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to it's like meat plus three or something. It's a
cool little restaurant, Frank's Meat plus three. I can't remember
the name of it. Some of you will know it's
a famous restaurant. And you eat on a cafeteria plate
like you ate on in second grade at Macleuis Elementary
when Miss Peveto was serving the food and it was
a delicious Thursdays where burgers with the blue dye shot
in the in the pento beans and the chocolate cake
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and the chocolate milk, so you could see which kid
was missing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And we're done for the day.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
We've had meetings with the show sponsors and things, and
we're walking along and.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You know, there's Tootsis and it's Nashville, right.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
He says, for me, this is this is this is
a big deal. And he said, let's get a drink,
and so we just it's kind of one of those
deals where you don't play in it. You're just walking
along and there's a watering hole and you just you
walk in and we're sitting at the bar and this
cute little blonde girl walks up and she's I don't know,
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she's maybe twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Twenty to twenty three years old.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The older you get, the less able you are to
tell how old young people are men or women. And
she's sitting there by herself, and it's kind of an
odd vibe because.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Why is this girl by herself?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Is this a working girl? She's too young, she's too
clean conscious.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
This is weird.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She's got her hair kind of in pigtails, and the
whole thing is just odd. So Dan says, so what
are you doing here? And she said, I just quit
my job. Oh really, well, what was your job? So
the bar was a separate bar to the restaurant next door,
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but they had an opening in between. You know, like
when you go to an antique mall and you can
go in and out of the stores, but each one
is kind of so this was a separate bar from
the restaurant. She said, I worked over there.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'm like fifty feet over. Oh you quit, you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, And I just quit my job. I'm having a drink.
Oh well, tell us your story will buy you a drink.
So she starts into her story, which wasn't very long.
They made her mad and she quit. When she quit,
she walked thirty forty fifty feet over, sat down at
the bar and having a drink. We just happened to
be sitting there while all that's going on. Oh okay, well,
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I started into my goofiness because I'm in a mood.
And I said, tell us something about you that nobody
would expect if they met you, Like if you were
the guy out in front of the tank at Tenham
and Square. And I say that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I've never run into.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That guy, but if I do, he'll be like, you know,
she says, I'm a double mint twin. And I said, oh, okay,
you have my attention. Well where's your twin and she
points and across the way, still working is her sister,
who's now worried that two dudes are talking to her sister.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Don't worry, young lady. We're old men.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We got kids your age, she says, yep, as my sister.
She's working too. She's mad at me that I quit.
So she was having a drink, not because she was
stressed out about having quit, but because I guess she
had told her sister, I've had it with John, the manager.
I'm quitting, and her sister would have said, no, you
can't quit.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm quitting.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And then when you quit, especially if you're on the
kitchen staff, you have to take your rag and throw
it at them as you leave. I mean that if
you haven't seen Mels diner, and if you haven't seen Alice,
then you know how many times did flow quit? I mean,
good grief. All right, to the twins we go. Let's
go to Brenda. Brenda, you're a twin.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yes I am.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
How old are you?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Seventy three?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay? And your twin.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Is also seventy three and eight minutes older than.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I am eight minutes older. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What was the coolest thing about being a twin that
people wouldn't expect?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You know, I don't know if you're expected, but it's
just like having a best friend always with you, always
has your back, even when you're in the wrong. It's
almost a part of you. And I guess, like the
other lady was saying, if you're a singleton, you can't
fathom that. But it's it's very strange. It's just I
can't imagine not having a twin.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So let me ask you about that connection. You've got
other friends? Do you have other siblings?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
We have a younger sister two years younger.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Okay, so that's close enough that you should also have
a bond. How deep is that bond relative to your parents,
your other friends, your spouse, your other sister, and how
is it different?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Well, you know, we almost I've always kind of felt
sorry for my younger sister because Lynda and I were
always so close. It's always like we always tell each
other's back. Lynn and Brenda. Yes, I mean, how embarrassing
is that? But yeah, but even if the three of
us would get in a fight, even if I knew
she was wrong or she knew I was wrong, we
always touch together against my little sister. Now, I have
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to say, my little sister is very independent, strong woman,
and I think that has something to do with being
raised there was always two against one. My parents, you
know they I don't think they treated us any differently.
I really don't our friends. We were just so used
to being the twins. It just you just take it
for granted. I just assumed everybody in the world knows
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that we're twins and we are identical. So because we
look alike, it's just a given.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Are you all the same size?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like, are you the same waist size?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Are you the same weight?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
We are.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
We always have been. We could always interchange clothes. It
made it easy when especially in high school. Back then,
you know, girls would have matching The outfit had to
match your purse and their shoes, and so she was
by address, and then I would buy the matching shoes
and curse. It became a problem when we got married,
moved out of our apparent home, got married, because we
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had to fight over every single outfit. But we worked
it out.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, it really is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You know how much of this I mean, I guess
it's all biological, but there are things in our biology
that we don't control. You know, you throw a baseball
at my eye, I'm not going to choose to blink.
My eye's going to close, right. So how much of
what our body is doing, how much of our emotions,
how much of our cravings, how much of our disgust
or distaste? Do we not have control on in this
deep bond? I find to be very interested. Let's keep
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talking to the twins.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
People know things are bad, but crime is out of control.
It's when a famous person is murdered. It's when the
details of a story are so gruesome that they stand
out from the normal humdrum just people getting murdered. Jocelyn
unger A, for instance, twelve year old girl who was
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brutally raped, beaten, tortured, and then thrown away like it
was trash. These are the stories that rise and bubble
up because.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The humdrum murders.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Don't even really make the news any longer. But it's
not just a wind that's blowing through. This is the
result of actions and it's not unintentional. Kim Ogg, the
Harris County District Attorney, is our guests. Let's talk about
the influence that Rodney Ellis is exerting over the Harris
County judiciary and some law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm told that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Josh Hill, the judge has tried, has had two trials
this year. I hear from people who work in the
courthouse that their judges are scared to death of Rodney
Ellis primarying them, and that there's been this sort of
trend of the white male judges that Rodney has targeted
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them with black female judges that he sort of places there,
and even some of them have been targeted if they
allow convictions in their core. I think it's important that
people understand exactly what is happening.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think you're right the gossip that you hear because
you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing the warning
belt of people. It's a different standard. I can't go
by gossip.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I can't explain the mindset of our Harris County judiciary.
It's so different than Judge Ted Poe and Judge j. Burnett,
than the people I served under when I was a
line prosecutor. And I don't know about the pressures they face,
but I can tell you the pressures that I face.
I felt it was very clear that by going after
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any kind of corruption investigation, regardless of how valid the
complaint was, was really going to be viewed as an
offensive attack. I've been called a racist. I've been called
a thug by my other officials in county government, speaking
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of Lena Hidalgo and Commissioner Ellis, an election denier. Every
bad buzzword you can imagine, and in truth, these folks
were treated just like everybody else who's a target of
a criminal investigation. We treat them with respect, etc. But
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the political retaliation was clear, and so that sets a
standard that makes an example for people. And I think
that yes, it was meant to send a message about
our party's position and what Commissioner Ellis and Hidalgo and
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others on the far left believe it should be. And
I just don't think regular Democrats, whether we live in
Sunnyside or whether we live in the Heights, or whether
we live in Cyprus, would want anything different than regular Republicans.
They just want to be able to go out about
their business without getting killed or robbed or raped. They're
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having their kids attacked. So the influence is manifest. How
it affects the judiciary, you just have to look at
people's actions and their record. Judge Hill, it's my understanding
from our prosecutors that he has only personally tried two
cases this year. They use visiting judges to a great degree,
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and the dockets move sometimes really fast, sometimes like molasses.
But these serious cases were languishing in our court so
much that I went to the legislature and Senator Whittemyer,
then now Mayor Whitmyer carried legislation to make murder trials
a priority like child sexual assaults, and it just makes sense.
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But that was direct I did at giving judges here
direction on what's important. And that's what's unusual. It's unusual
to have a judiciary that doesn't really push for better
lab funding so that we can get ballistics tests. I'm
the only one out there saying that, and you've had
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some members of the police union calling for improvements in
our labs. So what I like about fighting for public
safety is that you're rooting for the good guys. Whether
we're Democrats or Republicans, it's supposed to be about our safety,
which I thought everybody wanted. Whether this is purposeful influenced
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by Commissioner Ellison, that group that seems to want to
spend our county resources on anything but public safety, I
don't know. I think you should ask them, though, I
think the public ought to hear directly from them why
our budget is not directed at keeping them safe and
why it's being frittered way on all these unnecessary expenses
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fifty million dollars Michael for consultants to do strategic analysis
and data planning. And I'm confusing the words because it's
word soup. It's fifty million bucks to sixteen different groups
to help them decide the strategy for our county. Seems
like they could ask regular people for free. It's almost
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as if they're trying to put copies and prosecutors that
would make.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, it's almost as if they're trying to put money
in the pockets of friends of the political leader rather
than solve the problem of making the streets safer.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, I think purchasing political real estate through you know,
through contracts, is not something unique to Houston, but it's
something that constituents, our constituents don't want to tolerate. And
so as we look at these different contracts that are
sometimes complained on run through our commissioner's court, we take
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them seriously. And I was never going to look the
other way. That's not the job. So yeah, I think
they've made an example out of me. Whether the judiciary
why they act the way they act, you have to
ask each of them individually. But our records should be scrutinized.
I think that's important We're going to try and release
more information about our office and the cases next week,
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and I'll send you an invitation. Michael. We're going to
open up a data dashboard as agencies are doing across
the country, and I think you'll get a good look.
And I'm sure there'll be plenty of criticism about how
we've handled the cases. But when you look at bond,
responsibility of the judiciary, trial schedule, a responsibility of the judiciary,
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number of trials, I think everybody needs to be scrutinized
and people need to make informed decisions, and you're giving
them the info.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Thanks well, jime On Harris Kunty Districttorney.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. I really do.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's always good to talk to you. Keep keep it up.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You know, this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Is a really scary time in Houston Harris County. I
came to this community in nineteen eighty nine and I
fell in love with it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was it perfect? No, But when I ran for
office twelve years later, I would brag about how well
we did things in this community. The level of ethics. Again,
nothing is perfect. You can point to plenty of examples.
A city councilmen who were for hire and some went
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to prison. Inefficiencies, waste, you name it. But relative to
other governments, and we have become and are fast becoming
more what happened to Detroit and Baltimore and broken big cities.
It's awful and it has to stop. And good news
is we've got an election right now where we can
vote to change that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
To Michael Barry, he.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Ramon is back after he's bit beaming after the big
news of his uh, you know, his son being pinned
for being a student council president.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Today.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
This is a big deal in your in your family.
You know, this is this is probably how Joseph Kennedy,
Joe Kennedy felt, you know when when John F.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Kennedy was was elected. I can understand the pride.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Indeed, yes, it's a it's a big deal. Back to
the crime in our community. The uber driver accused of
murdering beloved Houston pastor Ronald K. Mouton, Senior of the
East Bethel Missionary Baptist Church and a road rage incident
back in twenty twenty two, remains free on bond eight
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bond violations. As the pastor's family expressed his frustration with
the numerous delays in the murder trial. The pastor's brother
says it concerns us that he can violate his bond
and still be free. Fox twenty six with the story.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
He came in these doors, walked up these stairs for
how many years?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Thirty two years, thirty two years, he.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Stopped passing these charich at the age of twenty seven,
and then got killed at age of fifty eight.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Pastor Roland Mouton is talking about his identical twin brother,
Reverend doctor Ronald Muton.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I crawled it to him, I'm not gonna lie all
the top sixty one years old, and I cried like
I'm five.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Reverend Ronald was shut and killed in a road rage
incident right here on the sixty four hundred block of
Gulf Freeway Service Road back in June of twenty twenty two.
In July of twenty two, police arrested and charged Deshan Longmire.
In March of twenty three, Longmire posted bond and since
then the case has been delayed for multiple reason. It
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was supposed to go to trial this week, but was
reset due to a defense attorney conflict.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
It will be two months from three years when he
finally goes to trial two months from three years for
somebody that committed a murder that you got clear evidence
that he did it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
According to the National Center for State Courts, the average
time for a felony case to be disposed is two
hundred and fifty six days. The Harris County District Court
Criminal Dashboard shows that more than twenty nine thousand criminal
cases are pending here in Harris County, and twenty two
percent of them are older than three hundred and sixty
one days.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
This guy's being free, basically enjoying his family while we're
still moaning in pain.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
And April record show Longmire violated his bonds by missing curfew,
but his bond wasn't revoked.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Well.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Concern that he can violate the bond and still be free,
that concerns us.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I just want him up the street, That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, Ramon brought something up that I hadn't thought about.
He was a twin the pastor who was murdered. You're
hearing from his twin brother. His family still has to
see his face.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
How painful does that have to be?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have to see the identical face of your brother
who was murdered. In some ways, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Forgetting is better.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
If you don't understand that, then you've never grieved. In
some ways, you have to move forward. Sure you remember,
you hold on to the most positive memories, and in time,
more and more memories slip away, and you sort of
shake off any memories that are questionable or uncertain in
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your life with you know, this saint of a person,
because you hold to your favorite moments with that person.
But to look at the face. Now, I've been around
a few twins, not a lot, Remond. I'm going to
give you about two minutes while I think through this, okay,
and I want you to comprise a list of all
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the twins you've known.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, you have.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To write them down. So my first set of twins
were Brent and Brant Fontaneau. We went to high school together.
They lived kind of near us. Their younger sister, Angela Fontineau,
was my classmate. I think she's now Angela Burris. I
think she's a nurse somewhere in Houston. We had connected
on Facebook a few years ago. I don't know what
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happened to Brenton Brant Fontneau. There was Ronnie and Donnie Rogers,
and I think Donnie married.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Lee Hoffpower, who was.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Elected most beautiful of our high school all four years
and a dear friend of mine. I don't keep up
with anybody hardly abad from high school Moore, so I
haven't seen any these people in a long time, but
I still remember it like it was yesterday. So I
got the Rogers is, I got the font knows who was?
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I just oh, my brother had two buddies that were DPS.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Troopers.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh Drogan, I'm gonna put DPS down for that one.
But I know, ah, I know their names. They I
think it's droging. Do I know anyone else who's a twin?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I might know.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You gotta be identical. Don't pull that fraternal stuff on me.
Not the same thing. When people think of twins, they
mean two people.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That look oh the latrells.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
They think of two people look exactly the same. If
you're a fraternal twin, I just I'm sorry, but I'm
not putting you in that category. I say all that
say this, When you first meet twins, you can't tell
them apart. But anybody that knows anything about them is
once you spend any significant time, you will never mix
them up ever again like Morgan and Marcus latrell you
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because they're both they're big dudes. They always have a
scowl on their face and we're big fellows and they
got this look. Once you get to know them, you
can spot the differences just very very easily.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I guess it. How mean you got? You don't have.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Any a boy and a girl twin is fraternal that
we know. We're not counting those we have.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's not rude.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We could I could have five hundred of them. If
you're a twin, must be identical, don't get on here.
And then I gotta go you're not identical and start
yelling at you, and everybody says, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You have to be a legit twin.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That fraternal thing is is very very sketchy, very that's
as twins light. Fraternal is twins light. You know there
are a lot more twins today, Moan. I don't know
if you know this. And you'll see multiple birth families
today because of the fertility drugs. So what happens is
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they take the did you ever have what was her name?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sandra?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Sandra Carson had doctor Sander Carson.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
She was head of the fertility Clinic at Yale. Wonderful lady.
Her son was my intern when I was on a
city council one time, and every intern we had, I
swear now we didn't take every time. Dick and Harry
they had to write an essay and they had to
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put their sell on every intern we had to this
day like watching what they've gone on to do.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
By the way, Scarborough, our intern we had a few
years ago, is on her way to be a clerk
for Judge Hoe on the Court of Appeals, a huge,
huge honor's she was Professor Josh Blackman's favorite student. Remember
when she was with us, she was going off to
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ut She I think she had probably a four to
zero or close enough to it there. She came back,
went to South Texas College of Law, and then she's
going to be a clerk for the Court of Appeals,
which is a huge.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Honor, huge honor.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Anyway, that woman's son was my intern when I was
down there. All right, I would like to hear from
a twin or two. You must be an identical twin
if you are one of them seven one three nine
nine nine one thousand seven one three nine nine nine
one thousand.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
When it comes to.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Be a colony.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Do you believe Americans are better off than they were
four years ago?
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Michael Barry So, I was raised as a middle class kid.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Robin and Maurice were not identifal. There's no way they
were doing.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I could picture them in my mom's eye perfectly.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Look it up. I don't care what anybody says. VG's
are so good and I watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know what we've got to come up with
something where you watch it on YouTube and it's self
made content, but it's really good content. It's not technically
a documentary, I guess it is, but it was a
hundred songs written or sang by the Beg's. It's just
you will just sit there iraze that I don't realize that,
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like everybody knows, islands in the stream.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
When when when disco.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Killed the Begs, which they actually still lasted for another
year beyond disco, really two years touring and singing, and
then they would make their comeback a few years later.
But they outlasted disco because they weren't perceived as just disco.
But so Barry Gibb just says, okay, well then I'll
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just start writing songs for everybody else. And he did,
and Island's in the Stream being just one of many.
Lionel Richie did the same thing, by the way, but
it was incredible how many songs of theirs. It was
Reagan and Ryan Droughty that was to DPS troopers. Reagan
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Droughty tore my heart out.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
A few years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It was the day of his retirement and he sent
me a message and he said, your brother and I
talked about the day we would count down how many
days till we retire? Are all cops do that? And
he said, here I am, it's the day I retired.
And we were supposed to go get a beer after
we retired. And I'm just sitting here bawling because Chris
is not here with me. And see how well I
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did that. I'm so proud of myself. And how how
you know this was not how it was supposed to
not how it was supposed to go. My brother worshiped
those jawdy boys, Marines, DPS troopers. But see they worked
I tend there and he worked drug interdiction for Jefferson
County on I ten there, so they did a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Of the same bus together.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
There is I don't know fascination is the thing, but
there's quite a lot of interest in twins in our society.
Remember the Corps light commercial.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
I love football TV shots of Genu Lee hanging with
my friends and twins.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I am Jennifer, You're only Michael Berry. Sure are you
a twin?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I am an identical twin?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How old are you?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Hi? Am fifty six?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So how old was your sister?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Well, she died, she's forever forty nine.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh well, were you the oldest or her?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Oh no, she was older by.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Two minutes, and she wanted you to know it.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
She was pretty good about it. It was more like
when we got in trouble, she was older.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
When y'all were growing up, did y'all dress the same
in the whole deal?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
We did.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
My mom dressed us alike, and then usually, like when
we were I don't know, seven or eight, we started
dressing ourselves and occasionally we would randomly dress the same.
And then on twin Day, of course, it was on
what was tricked on people his school. In high school,
they would always have twin days, so everybody dressed up.
But Liz and I had had an end because they
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really couldn't tell the difference between us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So was twin Day a day that just random people
dressed up like their friend.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Like as long as they dressed the same. So it
was you know, people could pick their friend or you know,
if they had a siblings, sometimes they could.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, but twin Day wasn't because I was like, how
many twins do y'all have in your school?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Do you have twin Day?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
No? Yeah, I just wanted to be like us, that's all.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What was the coolest thing about being a twin.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
On a on a superficial level was being able to
kind of trick people because they couldn't, you know, visibly,
you could kind of see a difference on the phone,
you couldn't tell the difference at all. But then on
another level, it was it was almost like telepathic communication,
Like we wouldn't even have to say anything, and I'd
know exactly what she's thinking, and she'd know exactly what
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I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Isn't that odd?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I guess to use singletons, that might be, But it's
just just kind of a natural thing for us, kind
of comforting.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Really, yeah, but it's just amazing to me on a
very very deep, profound level that another human being, because
you know there's the nature versus nurture argument and debate
and theories, but to see two human beings how similar
they are, not just in how they look. But I'll
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tell the thing that that always, uh, the smothers brothers
were like I bet, I guarantee you they could wear
each other's clothes down to the finest item is that
you know our diets are probably a little different, and
how how they're always the same size? Yeah, yep, very interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
I was always a little bit a little bit bigger
than her tightwise, but yeah, it was the same. And
I'll tell you that the saddest thing is when she
passed and you singletons. And that's the term this twins
has half for you people who don't have a twin,
it's lonely. It's a lonely world without your twin, and
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you all don't even realize it, but it is. It
is very different. And it's something knowing that you always
got somebody there your whole life, and that you you know,
everybody that doesn't have a twin doesn't even know. And
it's that it's it's a it's a it's a lonely world.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's just kind of interesting how all of us there
are things that are so important to us, so central
to our being. It's in our fiber. So you can
hear it in this woman that it is being a
twin her sister, what her sister meant to her, what
(24:51):
her sister served as, what kind of superpower she has
as a twin that they.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Feel that no one else has.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
This happens to people, whether they're in a cult, in
a religious group, in a racial group, in a nationality.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And you don't know it.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, you you're sitting around a campfire, and I
like to ask questions, and if you ask the right
number of questions, you start learning that there's a whole
side to.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Someone that you wouldn't have even known about.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know, they lost their mother when they were five,
or you know they did five years in prison, and you, well,
I never would have guessed that about you. Seven one, three, nine, nine,
one thousand. Your story's coming up. They remain scared to
death of you, and they remain scared to death of Trump.
You're not going anywhere even if Trump does.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You're not.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Love you. And I don't often explain the little games
were in place with bumps and sound on flips and things.
This one's a little harder than most. The band is Nelson.
You'd have to know that to know that, because if
(26:06):
you didn't know that, you wouldn't know that. And we
have to be unburdened by what has been so that
what will be will not be a burden as a
burden was when it was, so that in the future
it will not be, so that we can holistically view
the holistic future with a holistic approach to holisticity. The
(26:28):
band is Nelson, which is the twin sons of Ricky Nelson.
So they didn't, you know, they don't want to kind
of get out of their dad's shadow, but maybe shot
a spotlight in the middle of it. Quick story and
then to the stories. Dan Endam dear friend, used to
(26:49):
be the director of sales in Houston. Many people know
him Texas tech red raider, very proud to be so
he was the number two here in Houston to Eddie Martini,
and then he went Toshville to run the market there
and in short order he put us on there. So
I'm doing a market visit to Nashville and we went
(27:10):
to it's like meat plus three or something. It's a
cool little restaurant, Frank's Meat plus three. I can't remember
the name of it. Some of you will know it's
a famous restaurant. And you eat on a cafeteria plate
like you ate on in second grade at Macleuis Elementary
when Miss Peveto was serving the food and it was
a delicious Thursdays where burgers with the blue dye shot
in the in the pento beans and the chocolate cake
(27:33):
and the chocolate milk, so you could see which kid
was missing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And we're done for the day.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
We've had meetings with the show sponsors and things, and
we're walking along and.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You know, there's Tootsis and it's Nashville, right.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
He says, for me, this is this is this is
a big deal. And he said, let's get a drink,
and so we just it's kind of one of those
deals where you don't play in it. You're just walking
along and there's a watering hole and you just you
walk in and we're sitting at the bar and this
cute little blonde girl walks up and she's I don't know,
(28:10):
she's maybe twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Twenty to twenty three years old.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The older you get, the less able you are to
tell how old young people are men or women. And
she's sitting there by herself, and it's kind of an
odd vibe because.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Why is this girl by herself?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Is this a working girl? She's too young, she's too
clean conscious.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
This is weird.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She's got her hair kind of in pigtails, and the
whole thing is just odd. So Dan says, so what
are you doing here? And she said, I just quit
my job. Oh really, well, what was your job? So
the bar was a separate bar to the restaurant next door,
(28:55):
but they had an opening in between. You know, like
when you go to an antique mall and you can
go in and out of the stores, but each one
is kind of so this was a separate bar from
the restaurant. She said, I worked over there.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'm like fifty feet over. Oh you quit, you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, And I just quit my job. I'm having a drink.
Oh well, tell us your story will buy you a drink.
So she starts into her story, which wasn't very long.
They made her mad and she quit. When she quit,
she walked thirty forty fifty feet over, sat down at
the bar and having a drink. We just happened to
be sitting there while all that's going on. Oh okay, well,
(29:33):
I started into my goofiness because I'm in a mood.
And I said, tell us something about you that nobody
would expect if they met you, Like if you were
the guy out in front of the tank at Tenham
and Square. And I say that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I've never run into.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That guy, but if I do, he'll be like, you know,
she says, I'm a double mint twin. And I said, oh, okay,
you have my attention. Well where's your twin and she
points and across the way, still working is her sister,
who's now worried that two dudes are talking to her sister.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Don't worry, young lady. We're old men.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We got kids your age, she says, yep, as my sister.
She's working too. She's mad at me that I quit.
So she was having a drink, not because she was
stressed out about having quit, but because I guess she
had told her sister, I've had it with John, the manager.
I'm quitting, and her sister would have said, no, you
can't quit.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm quitting.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And then when you quit, especially if you're on the
kitchen staff, you have to take your rag and throw
it at them as you leave. I mean that if
you haven't seen Mels diner, and if you haven't seen Alice,
then you know how many times did flow quit? I mean,
good grief. All right, to the twins we go. Let's
go to Brenda. Brenda, you're a twin.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yes I am.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
How old are you?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Seventy three?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay? And your twin.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Is also seventy three and eight minutes older than.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I am eight minutes older. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What was the coolest thing about being a twin that
people wouldn't expect?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You know, I don't know if you're expected, but it's
just like having a best friend always with you, always
has your back, even when you're in the wrong. It's
almost a part of you. And I guess, like the
other lady was saying, if you're a singleton, you can't
fathom that. But it's it's very strange. It's just I
can't imagine not having a twin.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So let me ask you about that connection. You've got
other friends? Do you have other siblings?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
We have a younger sister two years younger.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Okay, so that's close enough that you should also have
a bond. How deep is that bond relative to your parents,
your other friends, your spouse, your other sister, and how
is it different?
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Well, you know, we almost I've always kind of felt
sorry for my younger sister because Lynda and I were
always so close. It's always like we always tell each
other's back. Lynn and Brenda. Yes, I mean, how embarrassing
is that? But yeah, but even if the three of
us would get in a fight, even if I knew
she was wrong or she knew I was wrong, we
always touch together against my little sister. Now, I have
(32:13):
to say, my little sister is very independent, strong woman,
and I think that has something to do with being
raised there was always two against one. My parents, you
know they I don't think they treated us any differently.
I really don't our friends. We were just so used
to being the twins. It just you just take it
for granted. I just assumed everybody in the world knows
(32:34):
that we're twins and we are identical. So because we
look alike, it's just a given.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Are you all the same size?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like, are you the same waist size?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Are you the same weight?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
We are.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
We always have been. We could always interchange clothes. It
made it easy when especially in high school. Back then,
you know, girls would have matching The outfit had to
match your purse and their shoes, and so she was
by address, and then I would buy the matching shoes
and curse. It became a problem when we got married,
moved out of our apparent home, got married, because we
(33:08):
had to fight over every single outfit. But we worked
it out.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, it really is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You know how much of this I mean, I guess
it's all biological, but there are things in our biology
that we don't control. You know, you throw a baseball
at my eye, I'm not going to choose to blink.
My eye's going to close, right. So how much of
what our body is doing, how much of our emotions,
how much of our cravings, how much of our disgust
or distaste? Do we not have control on in this
deep bond? I find to be very interested. Let's keep
(33:39):
talking to the twins.
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