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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pray Harris, the developer of Colony Ridge, is our guest.
Number of emails asking how this conversation came about. I
was contacted by R. Rascone, who I knew from the
TV world of many years. Were not personal friends, but
I watched him on television. I sent back a note
that I appreciated his tone. We've hit Coliny Ridge pretty
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hard over the last few months, and the fact that
rather than email that we're idiots and yelling at us,
that they were reaching out in a rather nice tone.
That yes, I would be more than happy to have
a conversation with him. Trey, why doesn't your brother ever
have to take these shots? Why do you do it all?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh? Hey, I love it, And so I know you're
beating up on me, but I appreciate you beating up
on me because it gives me an opportunity to tell
the world what we really do, as opposed to the
lives of out there in everyone's face that get organically
circulated through the media. And I'm not Hey, I get it.
(01:00):
Uh we are. There are a very large percentage of
people in Liberty County that are that are that are
are not Latino and uh, we're changing that demographic and uh,
and some people aren't happy about it, but hey, uh,
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I enjoy and I appreciate people like you that are
willing to ask the hard questions and give me an
opportunity to answer.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Changing the demographic is a big issue that has come up.
To use your line, let's talk about the school district,
because I think that's really where the public focus on
how big this thing is and the long term impact.
Was when Cleveland ID announced that they had doubled their
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student numbers, and I'm going to go through based on
conversations I had. I think these numbers are probably somewhat correct,
but you can correct me. It's you know, run Cleveland ID.
But I suspect you know that in twenty thirteen, Cleveland
ISD had three thousand kids. Today that's eleven thousand, with
twelve hundred being added in the last sixty days. By
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twenty thirty, it's projected it'll be twenty five thousand. And
that ninety percent, which that number keeps coming up a lot,
ninety percent of Cleveland ISD's growth is Colony Ridge. Do
those numbers seem out of whack even if they're not perfect, No,
they don't. So that's a pretty big burden on a
school district. For if you don't have a kid, if
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you have a kid in the school, then your school
just changed. You feel like you went from being in
school in Liberty County to being in school in Mexico.
And whether that's right or wrong, that can be a
big change for a kid, especially if they don't speak
English as their first language. But if I'm a taxpayer,
that's an explosive growth that I didn't prepare for. You
could see where there would be some pushback to.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That, for sure. But before we showed up in Liberty County,
the Liberty the Cleveland School District, which is where all
of my kids, that's the school district that my developments
are in. Uh, the Cleveland School DiscT was over sixty
percent Latino before I showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Did not realize that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so when so the people say, hey, Trades bringing
all these Latinos in and it's changing the demographic. Yeah,
it may be. Maybe it's not sixty percent they maybe
it's seventy percent now, but it's at the end of
the day, it's It was predominantly a Latino school district
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before I, before Trade showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
On the scene and where did those people live?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All around Cleveland. Cleveland's there's a lot of rural land,
uh and a lot of the Latino population they want
to be left alone, they want to have some freedoms,
they want to be able to do with it what
they want to do. UH. There and so there's a
lot of unrestricted property in and around the Cleveland area
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that that's owned by latinos.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
King's Colony comes up a lot as as a development
where I don't know if that's where you got your start.
I read a lot of emails and I'm asking you
questions that I can't verify and I don't state as true,
but that there were complaints there and that was your
first development. Is that Is that true?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
No, it's not true, but let me let me let
me help you out with that. Uh. So King's Colony
was developed, that was done in the eighties, and I'm
not going to mention the developer's name, but he was
not That was a recession here in the Houston area
at that time in the early eighties. Uh. And they
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ended up marketing that entire subdivision overseas and sold two
thousand lots, which was the number of lots that were
platted in that community overseas, and so we came along
and the county had several hundred lots that they had
full closed on and they'd gone to a tax sell
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and no one had actually been on them, so they
went to the tax trust. So we bought several hundred
lots from the tax Trust of Montgomery County and we
turned around and marketed those properties. But we did not
develop Kings County, and we were not Like I said,
we weren't the developer, and we weren't responsible for the roads.
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Then there's no water, no sewer, and that was not
our development. But we did buy a number of lots
from the county and turned around and resold those lots.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I want to talk about what you just mentioned the
infrastructure in just a moment, roads and drainage and those
sorts of things. But let me wrap up on the
school issue. I did not know, but apparently Cleveland I
sty Has built some new schools. One of the things
that's brought up a lot is that you have inside
your development the most beautiful charter school that has ever
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been seen. That if River Oaks got it, they would
be happy to and that that had to be the
subject of an association with with Greg Abbott because they're
hard to get. How did that charter school come about?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Man, that is a really cool story. There's a guy
named Edie Conger that runs International Leadership of Texas. Really
neat guy. He he has charter school of all over
the state. He walks in my office one day and
comes up to me and says, hey, and he has
a whole team with him. Everyone there is ex military.
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He's ex military. Everyone there with him is X military.
They actually have a shooting range in the school. I mean,
it's really cool. He comes to me, he goes, hey,
talk to Abby. He said, he can build some schools
in your neighborhood. All right, Uh, you want to go
look around? He said yeah. So they all up in
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the truck with me, the whole team. We go to
the neighborhood, drive around and he looked their fences. Uh.
I said, don't you have a board? And he said
sure I do. He said, I said, well, what do
you What are you going to say when they when
you go to them and say hey, I want to
build a school here and there's mobile homes all around me. Uh,
They're not going to approve that. He goes. I'm going
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to tell them those what's different between those mohomes and
the one I grew up in? And I knew he
was my guy? You you, mister, Michael Marry you.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I'm going to ring the King's English. Trey Harris is
our guest. He is the developer of Colony Ridge. At
his request, I've invited him on the show, and to
his credit, he has answered every question I've asked.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hello, Yeah, I'm here, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah? What happened?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah? I don't know. I'm not sure what's going on,
but little static on the line.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now all of a sudden, they're not coming to get you?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Are they? No telling? But I'm here.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Did you run this by your lawyers having this conversation?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Do you take advice from.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Lawyers occasionally, but probably not as much as I should.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I want to go back to the school issue and
wrap that up by asking My understanding is that Cleveland
ISD has put several bonds forward that would finance more
school buildings, and that there has been a surprisingly high
turnout of residents who have turned out to shoot them down.
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They don't want to build more schools, they don't want
more people coming into the district. They don't want to
pay for this. What is your strategy if the school
district doesn't build more schools, but you're seeing an explosive growth.
You're the fastest growing development in the state, and some
are saying you're in the top three in the country.
What is the solution then?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Uh So, I think the charters, the charter schools are
a great option there and they are doing extremely well
in the neighborhood. I'm really happy that our customers have
that option. Uh And I hope that the people in Cleveland.
Uh you know, I had a conversation with the superintendent,
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and we give every school location that we have, we
give land to the school district, and we're happy to
anytime they get them, whether it's a charter or whether
it's the ISD. We're happy to give land to anything
that any school, church, anything that we think is beneficial
for the neighborhood. We're happy to donate the land to
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improve the improve the neighbor if it's something we feel
that and will improve the neighborhood. Uh So, we're happy
to donate the land for the schools. The superintendent I
had a conversation with him recently and they proposed a
bond for building new schools north of Cleveland where there's
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no growth. But uh so I went to the superintendent like,
hey man, why would you why would you buy land
north of Cleveland when I'm willing to give you land
with all the utilities, and you're buying land with no
utilities where you're gonna have to provide your own water,
your own sewer, your own electricity. You're gonna have to
do all that on your own, which is a huge
expense for the school district. And then the purchase of
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the property as well. Why would you do that when
I'm wanting to give you all that for free to
build schools here and this is where the growth is,
and this is where the kids are. This is where
uh this is where the schools need to be. He is, no,
I agree with your hundred percent, but I can't get
a bond to pass if I'm building you a school
in your neighborhood, If I'm building schools north of Cleveland,
I'm going to move all the kids in Cleveland to
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the brand new schools that I'm going to bust Your
kids from your neighborhoods to Cleveland to the old schools
then maybe I can get a mom pass. But the
bond didn't pass. Even with that strategy in place.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You have, certainly, if I've heard it, you've heard it.
You have had a lot of pushback, a lot of
criticism from the community for a number of reasons. And
we've talked a little bit about that. But you know,
allegations of gunfire going off late at night, whether that's
true or not, that would be as much a cultural
issues in music, being very loud, all sorts of things
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that people complain about who had lived there for a
very long time. And I know you've had to hear
all that because you're there at the office. What could
you have done differently?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Looking back, man, I really I think, I really think
we've done a great job at providing that product for
our customers that they appreciate and enjoy. And I think
that if I were, if I were able to go
back and do things a little different, that's a tough question.
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I really don't. I don't know. So for the outsiders
there looking in the answer for that to that question
would be, well, we would restrict a property more, be
more restricted than what we started with, and and we
have as time has evolved, our product has gone from
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unrestricted to restricted, and what they can can't do is
become more and more limited. But is that is the
product that we offer today? Is it more in line
with what our customers want than it was ten years ago?
Or is it just a is it just to appease
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the public and our our customers end up with a
product that they may or may not like as as
well as it product off of ten years ago. But
they take it and they buy it and they own it,
and they live within those restrictions because to appease the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But the marketplace is probably higher in the lower end.
And I've seen photos of drive buys and aerials and
it looks like you know, when you bought in twenty eleven,
and those those first improvements came online in twenty thirteen.
They look like shanties. They look like what we would
call a shanty and trailer park. It would be an overstatement,
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and it appears. And now I see developments where it
looks like any other track home development in a lower
middle class suburban community. Those are the economics. I understand that,
But would you in that case, if you had it
all to do over again, simply say, I don't want
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to develop this type of property because people are going
to feel it's bad for their values, it's going to
cause me problems, and it might be an attractive inducement
to the types of people who are going to cause
more problems in the community. I'm asking you, that's a
that's a very long question.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, I get it, But I think the answer is no.
I'm so, there's so the neighboring communities in some of
our early stuff, the neighboring communities. We didn't go to
bel Air. Let me just put it this way. We
didn't go to bell Air and build a trailer park, right.
We went to plum Grove, Texas, where the average home
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and property on the tax rolls is somewhere in the
neighborhood fifty sixty grand. And so what we built in
plumb Grove, in the plumb Grove area of Liberty County
is nicer than what was there before we got there.
And so and so, if your question to me is
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would you go back and and restrict the properties that
you sold so that they would be forced to end
up with a better or a higher quality or more
expensive home or home land package, I think my answer
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will be no that what our ideal was from the
get go was to create a product that people could
do do with what they chose to do with. And
so if they wanted to build a house, they could
build a house. They wanted to buy an older mobile
home and moved on the property and live there while
they saved the money to build a home, which is
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the general theme of our neighborhood is you watch the
old mobile home come in, it's set there for a
year or sometimes two or three, and then you see
a stick and bricks home going up rock the side.
They don't tell me what's called these little things clothing
for a baby.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I like my good belly sh you're a supportive of
these one seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
With the news that three hundred and forty four pounds
of meth we're in the possession of illegal aliens who
had been deported multiple times, with a murder at Colony Ridge,
with federal raids, and I'm hearing more on the way,
we thought it was a perfect time to share our
interview with the founder of Colony Ridge, Trey Harris. We
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got a lot of national attention on this interview, and
it turns out this week it's more relevant than ever.
Trey Harris is our guest and we asked that he
stay on for a while when we started the discussion,
and he has done that, and I appreciate that we
have This is an issue we have heard from a
lot of residents on It's an issue that has gained steam.
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The special session of the legislature that the governor called
the first technically a second because you had a trial,
but the first was to deal with school choice. And
at the last minute he added to the call to
the governor Colony Ridge, which surprised a lot of people,
but I think it reflects the fact that this is
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a discussion that has hit the public's eye. We can
only focus on so many things, but this is something.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
That a lot of people are focused on, and Trey
Harris asked for an opportunity to answer questions and tell
his side of the story, and that's what we're doing now. Trey,
let me ask you a question. I want to go
back to the kind of what you could have done better.
I'm not here to validate you. I'm not here to
verify that every statistic you've given, every answer you've given
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is honest or isn't. I leave that to listeners. I
don't know, you have never visited, so that's not my job.
But it does strike me having been in politics and
media and public strategy for a very long time, it
strikes me that this is an advice. But it's almost
a question, why not hire somebody who could be or
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maybe you have this, why not hire somebody who could
be the English language community responder, who could be a
person who when people say the music's too loud, there's
gunshots going off, the drainage is bothering, that person would
be would have some authority to at least take that information,
come to you and get people a response. Wouldn't that
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help your public relations?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So we do have a property UMAs Association and there's
a board and a president of the board that deals
with a lot of the community issues that come up,
and they oftentimes bring that to us and say, hey,
we're having a problem with this, or we have a
problem with this, and we try to help and assist
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with the PLA as much as possible. But the.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Look, it's your business. I'm telling you that you didn't
hire an art rescaling because you're an idiot. You didn't
come on the air because you're an idiot, didn't new
Fox News because you're an idiot, you're obviously a very
smart guy. It just strikes me that it seems like
and maybe maybe today is the day you say, or
last night is the night that you say, I've got
to more aggressively tell my side of the story, and
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whether that's truthful or not, or whether that's defensible or not.
I would say having that line of communication, and there's
probably some things you could change that might tamp down
not everybody, but some people. And whether that's a cleanup
over here or cutting the grass over there, or a
memo to residents. I don't think the POA can get there.
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I think this is a bigger issue of the developer.
And you're obviously a.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Smart guy, understood and appreciate the comments and the feedback,
and so I think we are significantly more involved than
most with the development and the property owner Association, the
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home own association. Then most developers are most developers. Your
typical developer will come in, he'll develop something, he'll sell
it out and he's gone. We're not like that. Our
development were we owner finance everything, and so we're here
for the next twenty years. And so the community and
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the neighborhood and what goes on there and the quality
of life there is important is important for us for
the next twenty years. And so even though some of
our neighbors may or may not like what goes on
in the neighborhood, the people in my neighborhoods and in
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my communities really enjoy and appreciate the quality of life
that they have, and we work hard to improve that
every chance we get.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I understand that. I appreciate it a friendly suggestion that
I don't think you can win everybody over, but I
think there could be ways to improve those relations and
probably help along the way. Plumb Grove comes up a lot.
I don't quite understand the relationship. Is Plumb Grove a
separate community? First of all, explain that to me, and
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then I have some questions.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So Plum Grove is an incorporated city that we are
close to. In the in the past, a portion of
Colony Ridge was in the city limits. We set we
sat down with the current at that time, the mayor
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and city council, and we came up with a developer
agreement with the city that uh we would the city
would d n X anything that was in the Coney
Ridge communities and the Colone Ridge would make certain concessions
to the city, which we have. But the city of
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plum Grove, there are some really good people in the city.
The mayor's are really sweet, Lady Mary Arundale, she's a sweetheart.
And there's some people on the council that are really
good people. But there's some people there that have some
issues I guess with with my customers. Uh, and they're
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a little harder, harder to deal with.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Do you think the issues are with your customers are
with you?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Oh, it's well, the the the idea that it's uh,
I think there's it's well, it's it's not any I mean,
it's not a mystery, it's not something that's hard to
figure out. It's a it's a racial issue, and there's
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a prejudice issue with some of the people on plumb
Grove that are just.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
There.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
They don't like the they don't like the customers that
are moving in because of their ethnicity.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So it's your belief that if these were white working
class residents who spoke English, and no difference in the
whole development other than that same explosive gruss, the same
initial home all the way through that you would get
zero kickback, zero pushback.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
If my customers were white, you would not be on
the phone me right now, and you would never know
Trey Harris's name. What if I was a boxing fan,
that would be a non issue.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What if I was a boxing fan?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Good come back, Thank you so much for that. Hold yeah,
if you were a good big box you'd have to
be a really big boxing fan to get my name
on the red arm because I haven't been in that
scene for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Hold on, just a moment, you tired? Have we warned
you out? Trey Harris is our guest, Coliny Ridge coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
People need to make informed decisions, and you're giving him
the insult, Michael Berry because you're a public Paul Revere
kind of ringing the warning though.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Trey Harris is our guest, is a developer of Colony Ridge.
Whether you like him or not, the fact is he
said he would stay on the air as long as
we wanted, and he has held true to that. That
doesn't mean I think he's the greatest guy in the world,
or he builds the greatest development or anything else, but
that is the fact, and most people would not sit
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and be asked questions with no boundaries that were not
submitted ahead of time for this amount of time from
me or anyone else, so that bears noting. Don't ask that.
I don't suggest that should change your opinion or mine.
You also need to understand, reading my emails, I do
not scream liar at a guest, even if you want
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me to. If I don't agree with or I question
or I'm skeptical of a detail, I respect you, our audience,
and I expect you to be able to come to
your own conclusions, whatever those may be. If you need
to hear me scream at Trey Harris because you're screaming,
I mean in your truck, you found the wrong show.
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Let's be clear on the terms here, and nobody would
come on the show if I ever did that. Anyway,
you're big boys and girls. Trey Harris is our guest,
Connie Rich. We're talking about plumb growth. That's the area
where I probably get the most complaints. And as I
understand it, you've got a couple of lawsuits going against
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them right now. Is that true? And if so, what's
that about? Pair you lifting in the background because it's loud, Hang.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
On let me help that out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What are you doing over there?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Much? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
What were you doing?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay? I was setting the truck in my daughter's house.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It sounded like you were signing contracts for deeds with
illegals and making a lot of money and repossessing them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah. No, just we got orange trade full of hundred
dollars bills on taking the bank.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, all right, I did here. Let me ask you
to respond to that, since you brought it up. I
did hear there are three cash truck pickups per day
out of the Terreno's offices, and that this more than
one person said gold plated ars. I think the security
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guys do. I'm not joking. That was the question. That
that was the allegation. Is that true.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, I'm gonna have to say unfortunately not, But yeah,
I would love to have a gold play they are myself,
but I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Unfortunately, are there three cash pickups today?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, all right, so we.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Don't take so we quit taking cash because we have
in our administration office there's it's mostly young ladies, right
and so two, you know, we just got to looking
at it and thought, you know, there's a lot of
cash coming through here, and so these poor girls, we're
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subjecting them to an unsafe work environment. If we have
that much, someone's gonna say at some point, hey, there's
a lot of cash come there, let's go knock those
guys off. And so we quit taking cash for payments.
And so that way our girls don't have to deal
with that issue of possible security. I mean, we have
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security guards that work there full time all the time.
If we're opening, there's a security guard. There's security is there.
But at the same token, it's you know, if you
get a bunch of cash coming in, that's a little scary. Uh.
And so we don't we don't take cash for payments anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
All right, Plumber, is plumb Grove suing you? Are you
suing them? What is the basis of that?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So Plumb Grove has made a number of our adations
against us, saying we're doing one thing or another wrong,
whatever their color flavor of the day is, which none
of their allegations are even remotely close to the truth.
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Everything we do, as far as water and sewers are
regulated by the state TCQ. They come out and do
routine inspections on in the areas that it's talking about.
We don't actually own the water and sewer utility is
owned by another company. Quad Vest is the utili provider
in the areas in question. They have a suit against
the quad Vests as well. But quad Vests and they
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have thousands of hookups around in Texas and so they're
one of the largest privately utili providers in the state.
And they are very They're standing with with TCQ is
very understanding. Is perfect. I guess you could say that
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they don't have any violations with the outstanding with the state. Uh.
They're a great company, good people, friends of mine. We're
on the same to at least together, you know. So,
uh good good guys, and they do a good job
with the utilities.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But plumb Grove is definitely crossways with you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh Plumb Grove. Yeah, now they they uh, there's We've
made every reasonable attempt that we could to try to
come to some some sort of arrangement. We actually have
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a develop agreement in place with them, but uh, they
don't want to remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, I'll just tell you tray the emails I get
related to them off the record, or that they allege
that you are in violation of that development agreement. They
don't deny to me that there is a development agreement.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, So did they give you any indication of how
I violated that agreement?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't have that from me. I will tell you this.
You can consider this scary or flattering. But when Art
reached out to me last night at about eight o'clock,
the Astros game had just finished, and I spent from
eight until two thirty this morning, I literally went back
through every email I had that mentioned Plum Grove or
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Colony Ridge or Trey Harris or Colonia or anything of
the sort. I printed them out, I went through and
I made notes. And so I'm a little short on
sleep and I can't lay my hands on everything. But
what I tried to do was get a sense of
you know, I wanted to be able to ask you
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questions that a consistent theme keeps coming up about and
then your answer is your answer, and people can decide
for themselves how they do that. So one of the
things that comes up a lot, and this was a
big news story. There were fifteen fentanyl overdoses at Cleveland
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High School as of last week, already in this school year,
and we're early. A lot of people are blaming that
on Colony Ridge, whether that's whether that's a Colony Ridge
caused problem or not. Does that worry you because there
is clearly a drug problem that's fifteen kids gone.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, no, and that is very, very disturbing. I would
I haven't done the research. This is all new to
me as it is to you. Uh, And I haven't
done the research to see. Okay, how out of line
is that with uh, with other schools in the Houston
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district that are of this size. And I don't know
the answer to that, but it seems high to me. Uh.
When you say fifteen kids lost their lives over a
drug overdose, that's uh, that's not not something that anyone
likes to hear.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Right. Can you home with me for just a moment?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Are you exhausted?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No? No, I'm good brother.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Well we started you would kind of chuckle at the
beginning of an answer, and now you just sort of
sound worn down? Is this the hard you worked in
a line?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
All? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Hold on, what that
Pray Harris, the developer of Colony Ridge, is our guest.
Number of emails asking how this conversation came about. I
was contacted by R. Rascone, who I knew from the
TV world of many years. Were not personal friends, but
I watched him on television. I sent back a note
that I appreciated his tone. We've hit Coliny Ridge pretty
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hard over the last few months, and the fact that
rather than email that we're idiots and yelling at us,
that they were reaching out in a rather nice tone.
That yes, I would be more than happy to have
a conversation with him. Trey, why doesn't your brother ever
have to take these shots? Why do you do it all?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh? Hey, I love it, And so I know you're
beating up on me, but I appreciate you beating up
on me because it gives me an opportunity to tell
the world what we really do, as opposed to the
lives of out there in everyone's face that get organically
circulated through the media. And I'm not Hey, I get it.
(01:00):
Uh we are. There are a very large percentage of
people in Liberty County that are that are that are
are not Latino and uh, we're changing that demographic and uh,
and some people aren't happy about it, but hey, uh,
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I enjoy and I appreciate people like you that are
willing to ask the hard questions and give me an
opportunity to answer.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Changing the demographic is a big issue that has come up.
To use your line, let's talk about the school district,
because I think that's really where the public focus on
how big this thing is and the long term impact.
Was when Cleveland ID announced that they had doubled their
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student numbers, and I'm going to go through based on
conversations I had. I think these numbers are probably somewhat correct,
but you can correct me. It's you know, run Cleveland ID.
But I suspect you know that in twenty thirteen, Cleveland
ISD had three thousand kids. Today that's eleven thousand, with
twelve hundred being added in the last sixty days. By
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twenty thirty, it's projected it'll be twenty five thousand. And
that ninety percent, which that number keeps coming up a lot,
ninety percent of Cleveland ISD's growth is Colony Ridge. Do
those numbers seem out of whack even if they're not perfect, No,
they don't. So that's a pretty big burden on a
school district. For if you don't have a kid, if
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you have a kid in the school, then your school
just changed. You feel like you went from being in
school in Liberty County to being in school in Mexico.
And whether that's right or wrong, that can be a
big change for a kid, especially if they don't speak
English as their first language. But if I'm a taxpayer,
that's an explosive growth that I didn't prepare for. You
could see where there would be some pushback to.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That, for sure. But before we showed up in Liberty County,
the Liberty the Cleveland School District, which is where all
of my kids, that's the school district that my developments
are in. Uh, the Cleveland School DiscT was over sixty
percent Latino before I showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Did not realize that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so when so the people say, hey, Trades bringing
all these Latinos in and it's changing the demographic. Yeah,
it may be. Maybe it's not sixty percent they maybe
it's seventy percent now, but it's at the end of
the day, it's It was predominantly a Latino school district
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before I, before Trade showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
On the scene and where did those people live?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All around Cleveland. Cleveland's there's a lot of rural land,
uh and a lot of the Latino population they want
to be left alone, they want to have some freedoms,
they want to be able to do with it what
they want to do. UH. There and so there's a
lot of unrestricted property in and around the Cleveland area
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that that's owned by latinos.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
King's Colony comes up a lot as as a development
where I don't know if that's where you got your start.
I read a lot of emails and I'm asking you
questions that I can't verify and I don't state as true,
but that there were complaints there and that was your
first development. Is that Is that true?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
No, it's not true, but let me let me let
me help you out with that. Uh. So King's Colony
was developed, that was done in the eighties, and I'm
not going to mention the developer's name, but he was
not That was a recession here in the Houston area
at that time in the early eighties. Uh. And they
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ended up marketing that entire subdivision overseas and sold two
thousand lots, which was the number of lots that were
platted in that community overseas, and so we came along
and the county had several hundred lots that they had
full closed on and they'd gone to a tax sell
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and no one had actually been on them, so they
went to the tax trust. So we bought several hundred
lots from the tax Trust of Montgomery County and we
turned around and marketed those properties. But we did not
develop Kings County, and we were not Like I said,
we weren't the developer, and we weren't responsible for the roads.
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Then there's no water, no sewer, and that was not
our development. But we did buy a number of lots
from the county and turned around and resold those lots.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I want to talk about what you just mentioned the
infrastructure in just a moment, roads and drainage and those
sorts of things. But let me wrap up on the
school issue. I did not know, but apparently Cleveland I
sty Has built some new schools. One of the things
that's brought up a lot is that you have inside
your development the most beautiful charter school that has ever
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been seen. That if River Oaks got it, they would
be happy to and that that had to be the
subject of an association with with Greg Abbott because they're
hard to get. How did that charter school come about?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Man, that is a really cool story. There's a guy
named Edie Conger that runs International Leadership of Texas. Really
neat guy. He he has charter school of all over
the state. He walks in my office one day and
comes up to me and says, hey, and he has
a whole team with him. Everyone there is ex military.
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He's ex military. Everyone there with him is X military.
They actually have a shooting range in the school. I mean,
it's really cool. He comes to me, he goes, hey,
talk to Abby. He said, he can build some schools
in your neighborhood. All right, Uh, you want to go
look around? He said yeah. So they all up in
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the truck with me, the whole team. We go to
the neighborhood, drive around and he looked their fences. Uh.
I said, don't you have a board? And he said
sure I do. He said, I said, well, what do
you What are you going to say when they when
you go to them and say hey, I want to
build a school here and there's mobile homes all around me. Uh,
They're not going to approve that. He goes. I'm going
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to tell them those what's different between those mohomes and
the one I grew up in? And I knew he
was my guy? You you, mister, Michael Marry you.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I'm going to ring the King's English. Trey Harris is
our guest. He is the developer of Colony Ridge. At
his request, I've invited him on the show, and to
his credit, he has answered every question I've asked.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hello, Yeah, I'm here, can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah? What happened?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah? I don't know. I'm not sure what's going on,
but little static on the line.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now all of a sudden, they're not coming to get you?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Are they? No telling? But I'm here.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Did you run this by your lawyers having this conversation?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Do you take advice from.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Lawyers occasionally, but probably not as much as I should.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I want to go back to the school issue and
wrap that up by asking My understanding is that Cleveland
ISD has put several bonds forward that would finance more
school buildings, and that there has been a surprisingly high
turnout of residents who have turned out to shoot them down.
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They don't want to build more schools, they don't want
more people coming into the district. They don't want to
pay for this. What is your strategy if the school
district doesn't build more schools, but you're seeing an explosive growth.
You're the fastest growing development in the state, and some
are saying you're in the top three in the country.
What is the solution then?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Uh So, I think the charters, the charter schools are
a great option there and they are doing extremely well
in the neighborhood. I'm really happy that our customers have
that option. Uh And I hope that the people in Cleveland.
Uh you know, I had a conversation with the superintendent,
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and we give every school location that we have, we
give land to the school district, and we're happy to
anytime they get them, whether it's a charter or whether
it's the ISD. We're happy to give land to anything
that any school, church, anything that we think is beneficial
for the neighborhood. We're happy to donate the land to
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improve the improve the neighbor if it's something we feel
that and will improve the neighborhood. Uh So, we're happy
to donate the land for the schools. The superintendent I
had a conversation with him recently and they proposed a
bond for building new schools north of Cleveland where there's
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no growth. But uh so I went to the superintendent like,
hey man, why would you why would you buy land
north of Cleveland when I'm willing to give you land
with all the utilities, and you're buying land with no
utilities where you're gonna have to provide your own water,
your own sewer, your own electricity. You're gonna have to
do all that on your own, which is a huge
expense for the school district. And then the purchase of
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the property as well. Why would you do that when
I'm wanting to give you all that for free to
build schools here and this is where the growth is,
and this is where the kids are. This is where
uh this is where the schools need to be. He is, no,
I agree with your hundred percent, but I can't get
a bond to pass if I'm building you a school
in your neighborhood, If I'm building schools north of Cleveland,
I'm going to move all the kids in Cleveland to
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the brand new schools that I'm going to bust Your
kids from your neighborhoods to Cleveland to the old schools
then maybe I can get a mom pass. But the
bond didn't pass. Even with that strategy in place.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You have, certainly, if I've heard it, you've heard it.
You have had a lot of pushback, a lot of
criticism from the community for a number of reasons. And
we've talked a little bit about that. But you know,
allegations of gunfire going off late at night, whether that's
true or not, that would be as much a cultural
issues in music, being very loud, all sorts of things
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that people complain about who had lived there for a
very long time. And I know you've had to hear
all that because you're there at the office. What could
you have done differently?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Looking back, man, I really I think, I really think
we've done a great job at providing that product for
our customers that they appreciate and enjoy. And I think
that if I were, if I were able to go
back and do things a little different, that's a tough question.
(12:06):
I really don't. I don't know. So for the outsiders
there looking in the answer for that to that question
would be, well, we would restrict a property more, be
more restricted than what we started with, and and we
have as time has evolved, our product has gone from
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unrestricted to restricted, and what they can can't do is
become more and more limited. But is that is the
product that we offer today? Is it more in line
with what our customers want than it was ten years ago?
Or is it just a is it just to appease
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the public and our our customers end up with a
product that they may or may not like as as
well as it product off of ten years ago. But
they take it and they buy it and they own it,
and they live within those restrictions because to appease the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But the marketplace is probably higher in the lower end.
And I've seen photos of drive buys and aerials and
it looks like you know, when you bought in twenty eleven,
and those those first improvements came online in twenty thirteen.
They look like shanties. They look like what we would
call a shanty and trailer park. It would be an overstatement,
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and it appears. And now I see developments where it
looks like any other track home development in a lower
middle class suburban community. Those are the economics. I understand that,
But would you in that case, if you had it
all to do over again, simply say, I don't want
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to develop this type of property because people are going
to feel it's bad for their values, it's going to
cause me problems, and it might be an attractive inducement
to the types of people who are going to cause
more problems in the community. I'm asking you, that's a
that's a very long question.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, I get it, But I think the answer is no.
I'm so, there's so the neighboring communities in some of
our early stuff, the neighboring communities. We didn't go to
bel Air. Let me just put it this way. We
didn't go to bell Air and build a trailer park, right.
We went to plum Grove, Texas, where the average home
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and property on the tax rolls is somewhere in the
neighborhood fifty sixty grand. And so what we built in
plumb Grove, in the plumb Grove area of Liberty County
is nicer than what was there before we got there.
And so and so, if your question to me is
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would you go back and and restrict the properties that
you sold so that they would be forced to end
up with a better or a higher quality or more
expensive home or home land package, I think my answer
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will be no that what our ideal was from the
get go was to create a product that people could
do do with what they chose to do with. And
so if they wanted to build a house, they could
build a house. They wanted to buy an older mobile
home and moved on the property and live there while
they saved the money to build a home, which is
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the general theme of our neighborhood is you watch the
old mobile home come in, it's set there for a
year or sometimes two or three, and then you see
a stick and bricks home going up rock the side.
They don't tell me what's called these little things clothing
for a baby.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I like my good belly sh you're a supportive of
these one seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
With the news that three hundred and forty four pounds
of meth we're in the possession of illegal aliens who
had been deported multiple times, with a murder at Colony Ridge,
with federal raids, and I'm hearing more on the way,
we thought it was a perfect time to share our
interview with the founder of Colony Ridge, Trey Harris. We
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got a lot of national attention on this interview, and
it turns out this week it's more relevant than ever.
Trey Harris is our guest and we asked that he
stay on for a while when we started the discussion,
and he has done that, and I appreciate that we
have This is an issue we have heard from a
lot of residents on It's an issue that has gained steam.
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The special session of the legislature that the governor called
the first technically a second because you had a trial,
but the first was to deal with school choice. And
at the last minute he added to the call to
the governor Colony Ridge, which surprised a lot of people,
but I think it reflects the fact that this is
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a discussion that has hit the public's eye. We can
only focus on so many things, but this is something.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
That a lot of people are focused on, and Trey
Harris asked for an opportunity to answer questions and tell
his side of the story, and that's what we're doing now. Trey,
let me ask you a question. I want to go
back to the kind of what you could have done better.
I'm not here to validate you. I'm not here to
verify that every statistic you've given, every answer you've given
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is honest or isn't. I leave that to listeners. I
don't know, you have never visited, so that's not my job.
But it does strike me having been in politics and
media and public strategy for a very long time, it
strikes me that this is an advice. But it's almost
a question, why not hire somebody who could be or
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maybe you have this, why not hire somebody who could
be the English language community responder, who could be a
person who when people say the music's too loud, there's
gunshots going off, the drainage is bothering, that person would
be would have some authority to at least take that information,
come to you and get people a response. Wouldn't that
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help your public relations?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So we do have a property UMAs Association and there's
a board and a president of the board that deals
with a lot of the community issues that come up,
and they oftentimes bring that to us and say, hey,
we're having a problem with this, or we have a
problem with this, and we try to help and assist
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with the PLA as much as possible. But the.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Look, it's your business. I'm telling you that you didn't
hire an art rescaling because you're an idiot. You didn't
come on the air because you're an idiot, didn't new
Fox News because you're an idiot, you're obviously a very
smart guy. It just strikes me that it seems like
and maybe maybe today is the day you say, or
last night is the night that you say, I've got
to more aggressively tell my side of the story, and
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whether that's truthful or not, or whether that's defensible or not.
I would say having that line of communication, and there's
probably some things you could change that might tamp down
not everybody, but some people. And whether that's a cleanup
over here or cutting the grass over there, or a
memo to residents. I don't think the POA can get there.
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I think this is a bigger issue of the developer.
And you're obviously a.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Smart guy, understood and appreciate the comments and the feedback,
and so I think we are significantly more involved than
most with the development and the property owner Association, the
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home own association. Then most developers are most developers. Your
typical developer will come in, he'll develop something, he'll sell
it out and he's gone. We're not like that. Our
development were we owner finance everything, and so we're here
for the next twenty years. And so the community and
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the neighborhood and what goes on there and the quality
of life there is important is important for us for
the next twenty years. And so even though some of
our neighbors may or may not like what goes on
in the neighborhood, the people in my neighborhoods and in
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my communities really enjoy and appreciate the quality of life
that they have, and we work hard to improve that
every chance we get.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I understand that. I appreciate it a friendly suggestion that
I don't think you can win everybody over, but I
think there could be ways to improve those relations and
probably help along the way. Plumb Grove comes up a lot.
I don't quite understand the relationship. Is Plumb Grove a
separate community? First of all, explain that to me, and
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then I have some questions.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So Plum Grove is an incorporated city that we are
close to. In the in the past, a portion of
Colony Ridge was in the city limits. We set we
sat down with the current at that time, the mayor
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and city council, and we came up with a developer
agreement with the city that uh we would the city
would d n X anything that was in the Coney
Ridge communities and the Colone Ridge would make certain concessions
to the city, which we have. But the city of
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plum Grove, there are some really good people in the city.
The mayor's are really sweet, Lady Mary Arundale, she's a sweetheart.
And there's some people on the council that are really
good people. But there's some people there that have some
issues I guess with with my customers. Uh, and they're
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a little harder, harder to deal with.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Do you think the issues are with your customers are
with you?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Oh, it's well, the the the idea that it's uh,
I think there's it's well, it's it's not any I mean,
it's not a mystery, it's not something that's hard to
figure out. It's a it's a racial issue, and there's
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a prejudice issue with some of the people on plumb
Grove that are just.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
There.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
They don't like the they don't like the customers that
are moving in because of their ethnicity.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So it's your belief that if these were white working
class residents who spoke English, and no difference in the
whole development other than that same explosive gruss, the same
initial home all the way through that you would get
zero kickback, zero pushback.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
If my customers were white, you would not be on
the phone me right now, and you would never know
Trey Harris's name. What if I was a boxing fan,
that would be a non issue.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What if I was a boxing fan?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Good come back, Thank you so much for that. Hold yeah,
if you were a good big box you'd have to
be a really big boxing fan to get my name
on the red arm because I haven't been in that
scene for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Hold on, just a moment, you tired? Have we warned
you out? Trey Harris is our guest, Coliny Ridge coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
People need to make informed decisions, and you're giving him
the insult, Michael Berry because you're a public Paul Revere
kind of ringing the warning though.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Trey Harris is our guest, is a developer of Colony Ridge.
Whether you like him or not, the fact is he
said he would stay on the air as long as
we wanted, and he has held true to that. That
doesn't mean I think he's the greatest guy in the world,
or he builds the greatest development or anything else, but
that is the fact, and most people would not sit
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and be asked questions with no boundaries that were not
submitted ahead of time for this amount of time from
me or anyone else, so that bears noting. Don't ask that.
I don't suggest that should change your opinion or mine.
You also need to understand, reading my emails, I do
not scream liar at a guest, even if you want
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me to. If I don't agree with or I question
or I'm skeptical of a detail, I respect you, our audience,
and I expect you to be able to come to
your own conclusions, whatever those may be. If you need
to hear me scream at Trey Harris because you're screaming,
I mean in your truck, you found the wrong show.
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Let's be clear on the terms here, and nobody would
come on the show if I ever did that. Anyway,
you're big boys and girls. Trey Harris is our guest,
Connie Rich. We're talking about plumb growth. That's the area
where I probably get the most complaints. And as I
understand it, you've got a couple of lawsuits going against
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them right now. Is that true? And if so, what's
that about? Pair you lifting in the background because it's loud, Hang.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
On let me help that out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
What are you doing over there?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Much? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
What were you doing?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay? I was setting the truck in my daughter's house.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It sounded like you were signing contracts for deeds with
illegals and making a lot of money and repossessing them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah. No, just we got orange trade full of hundred
dollars bills on taking the bank.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, all right, I did here. Let me ask you
to respond to that, since you brought it up. I
did hear there are three cash truck pickups per day
out of the Terreno's offices, and that this more than
one person said gold plated ars. I think the security
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guys do. I'm not joking. That was the question. That
that was the allegation. Is that true.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, I'm gonna have to say unfortunately not, But yeah,
I would love to have a gold play they are myself,
but I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Unfortunately, are there three cash pickups today?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, all right, so we.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Don't take so we quit taking cash because we have
in our administration office there's it's mostly young ladies, right
and so two, you know, we just got to looking
at it and thought, you know, there's a lot of
cash coming through here, and so these poor girls, we're
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subjecting them to an unsafe work environment. If we have
that much, someone's gonna say at some point, hey, there's
a lot of cash come there, let's go knock those
guys off. And so we quit taking cash for payments.
And so that way our girls don't have to deal
with that issue of possible security. I mean, we have
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security guards that work there full time all the time.
If we're opening, there's a security guard. There's security is there.
But at the same token, it's you know, if you
get a bunch of cash coming in, that's a little scary. Uh.
And so we don't we don't take cash for payments anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
All right, Plumber, is plumb Grove suing you? Are you
suing them? What is the basis of that?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So Plumb Grove has made a number of our adations
against us, saying we're doing one thing or another wrong,
whatever their color flavor of the day is, which none
of their allegations are even remotely close to the truth.
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Everything we do, as far as water and sewers are
regulated by the state TCQ. They come out and do
routine inspections on in the areas that it's talking about.
We don't actually own the water and sewer utility is
owned by another company. Quad Vest is the utili provider
in the areas in question. They have a suit against
the quad Vests as well. But quad Vests and they
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have thousands of hookups around in Texas and so they're
one of the largest privately utili providers in the state.
And they are very They're standing with with TCQ is
very understanding. Is perfect. I guess you could say that
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they don't have any violations with the outstanding with the state. Uh.
They're a great company, good people, friends of mine. We're
on the same to at least together, you know. So,
uh good good guys, and they do a good job
with the utilities.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But plumb Grove is definitely crossways with you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh Plumb Grove. Yeah, now they they uh, there's We've
made every reasonable attempt that we could to try to
come to some some sort of arrangement. We actually have
(30:55):
a develop agreement in place with them, but uh, they
don't want to remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, I'll just tell you tray the emails I get
related to them off the record, or that they allege
that you are in violation of that development agreement. They
don't deny to me that there is a development agreement.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, So did they give you any indication of how
I violated that agreement?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't have that from me. I will tell you this.
You can consider this scary or flattering. But when Art
reached out to me last night at about eight o'clock,
the Astros game had just finished, and I spent from
eight until two thirty this morning, I literally went back
through every email I had that mentioned Plum Grove or
(31:50):
Colony Ridge or Trey Harris or Colonia or anything of
the sort. I printed them out, I went through and
I made notes. And so I'm a little short on
sleep and I can't lay my hands on everything. But
what I tried to do was get a sense of
you know, I wanted to be able to ask you
(32:10):
questions that a consistent theme keeps coming up about and
then your answer is your answer, and people can decide
for themselves how they do that. So one of the
things that comes up a lot, and this was a
big news story. There were fifteen fentanyl overdoses at Cleveland
(32:30):
High School as of last week, already in this school year,
and we're early. A lot of people are blaming that
on Colony Ridge, whether that's whether that's a Colony Ridge
caused problem or not. Does that worry you because there
is clearly a drug problem that's fifteen kids gone.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, no, and that is very, very disturbing. I would
I haven't done the research. This is all new to
me as it is to you. Uh, And I haven't
done the research to see. Okay, how out of line
is that with uh, with other schools in the Houston
(33:13):
district that are of this size. And I don't know
the answer to that, but it seems high to me. Uh.
When you say fifteen kids lost their lives over a
drug overdose, that's uh, that's not not something that anyone
likes to hear.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Right. Can you home with me for just a moment?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Are you exhausted?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No? No, I'm good brother.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Well we started you would kind of chuckle at the
beginning of an answer, and now you just sort of
sound worn down? Is this the hard you worked in
a line?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
All? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Hold on, what that
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