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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air. When we're all

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dead and gone, which we will be, the work we
did will leave the most lasting impression. Those are deeds,
not accomplishments. We will live on through other people. To
what extent did we invest in them? To start with
our own spouses, certainly our own children, but other people's children.

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Did we inspire them, we engage them, did we motivate them?
Did we make them better? Did we give them a
higher calling? Because that's how you live on, That's how
movements live on. There's a great book called Good to
Great by Jim Collins. And when I elected a city

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council six months in, everybody wanted me to go to
their kids bar mitzvah, to church, or to the funeral
or to the wedding. And I couldn't possibly do it
all and people were angry at me. I supported you
and you need to be at my event. Well you
find out they don't really care about you being at
the event. They want somebody at the event that they
can announce. It's supposedly a public person, it's just a

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city councilman, but they need that right, that gives glamor
to their event. But I felt bad because they had
supported me. And there were three weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs
or whatever else on that Saturday, and I literally could

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not be at all of them, even if I made
the best attempt. So my wife said, why don't you
go talk Dad young? You know, he's got to deal
with this. At that point, I think there were thirty
thousand members of Second Baptists. I remember her saying, thirty
thousand Members's he's got to deal with this there. Everybody
wants a pastor there, their moms dying, their kids in
rehab there. You know, can you preach my sister's funeral?

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I mean that's he has to deal with this all day,
every day. And he gave me that book to read,
and I did. And the point of building great organizations,
which can be applied to your personal life, is that
the great organization that he studied, Jim Collins, had to

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survive the great leader. If the organization didn't survive the
great leader, then the great leader wasn't a great leader.
Because a great leader can build a culture that can
survive beyond him. And that was the scene. Quote nine
that was the thing that was the minimum barrier. It

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had to survive beyond you. That's why Ayacoca couldn't be
in there, although he was a great leader, because wherever
he left would crumble when he left. And so the
real point there is the hearts and minds that were
set on fire by Charlie Kirk's activism and engagement. What
a compliment. You know, you're a college kid and here's

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this guy who's nationally famous. You see him on TV,
you see him with the President, and he's coming to
your school in Michigan, Texas, Utah. And he's speaking to
you the students, not speaking down to you, not speaking
at you, engaging you one on one. You think that

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doesn't matter to people. That's a ministry man, and he's
not speaking words of hate. He's speaking words of truth. Now,
the truth is very harmful and painful to people who
don't live in it. That is true. That is true.

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As Marella, you're on the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Go ahead, good morning. I am a proud mother of five.
I have a nineteen year old, sixteen, thirteenth, nine and seven.
My older three kids.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
We have been talking to.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
My older three kids because they're getting ready to go
to college. They're getting ready to go to the next step.
And it's one thing for mom and dad to tell you,
this is what's going on in your culture right now,
this is what's going on in society right now. But
Charlie Kirk came around.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Got a hold of my kids and I would say,
preached to them, because he is a man of God,
preached to them and out of probably I believe two
months after my kids finding Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
On their own, they came home.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And told mom and dad, you are right.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
So Charlie Kirk's.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
First thing is a man of God.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
And not only did he show compassion, but he stood
for truth. And that's what this world is missing, is
the truth. And he did so many great things. And
we sure did lose a great warrior with the loss
of Charlie Kirk. And to think that these babies don't

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have their dad and his wife is mourning because of
someone who couldn't see the truth. And that's what's wrong
with society today. That is wrong with the world and
this generation. He woke up this generation. I truly believe
he broke up this generation. And by the them taking

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him away from this generation that's going to make them strong,
stand even stronger, and more together and more united. So
my kids are devastated that they lost one of their
influencers because above all, he was an influencer, and he
got to.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Be got to talk to my kids more because when
mom and dad says that it's not true, but when
someone else comes and has the same values as you
do and gets a hold of your children and grasps
your children that way, they He left a big impact
on my kids, and I know of a lot more

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kids in this error. We can say this generation right now.
So we are our family is devastated and we can
only keep praying for the Kirk family.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Very well, said Ezma Eldam. One fellow posted on Twitter
last night. When you murder the ones who want to
open a dialogue with you, who do you think will
be left? I want you to think on this for
a while, I mean, really chew on it. What do
you think happens to you when there's no one left

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willing to debate you? This is what civil discourse means.
When you have to kill a person because what they
say is so powerful. Who do you think you're left with?
Your madnessness not go unabated. But who do you think

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you're left with them? Oh, Will Hickman is on the line.
We will talk to him about his vote with the
State Board of Education coming up. Bizarre is on? Well done,
So this is the Michael Berry Show. A brief moment.

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Hay Tight calling you when you stick to the Charlie
Kirk discussion. But there was a vote taken by the
State Board of Education and Will Hickman would like to
defend his vote. Well, I'll give you a couple of
minutes take it away.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Thank you, Michael, Thanks for having me on. Good to
talk to you again. So we have a number of
frameworks before us. We're developing a social studies framework really
for grades K through eight. This week. I'm an Austin
State Board of Educations meeting this week. I had two
rules or any framework that would make sense for me.

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One is two years dedicated Texas history in grades three
through eight, and the second is something makes sense and
it's good for the kids. I drafted the starting point,
we called it Option B back in twenty twenty two.
And then we have kind of two front runners. I
think one of them will win the final vote tomorrow
when the State board meets. That's Option C, which is chronological,

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and Option D, which is thematic. So I worked for
both authors of CND to add two years of dedicated
Texas history and avoid go mingling Texas with US and world.
I thought preserving two years of dedicated Texas was important.
I voted for both options C and D yesterday. I'll

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vote for both of them tomorrow. Both of them make
sense to me, really, Michael. What we're doing here is
deciding the shape of the box, and then when it's
going to get as exciting is when we start filling
the box with all the social studies content. We call
it theotiques, the curriculum standards of what's going to be
taught in K through eight. But for right now, we're

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just deciding when are we going to teach Texas, When
are we going to teach us, When are we going
to teach other topics. So that's basically what we did yesterday.
Yesterday was a committee, we make a recommendation. A state
Board of Education will vote finally tomorrow, and I think
it will likely be either Option C or D. And

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for me, there's not a right answer here. One's chronological,
one stematic, and we've heard testimony all over the place
that either both work, or one works or the other work.
So I don't think there's a single right answer here.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Fair Enough, I said, I'd give you an opportunity to
say your piece. Josh, you're on the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
Go ahead, Hey, Michael, thank you so much for having
me on. I just wanted to make a comment about
where and violence, how words are often being equated to violence,
and you.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Know, as a pastor, I guess just to kind of
give this perspective, broadly speaking, that's the exact same rationalization
that was used to kill all of the disciples, to
murder Jesus, and to reak absolute havoc and destruction on
the early Church. And so I guess, you know, for me,

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I came home and I was shocked to find my
eleven and nine year old really upset. I couldn't believe
how engaged and aware they were of this this entire time.
And you know, when I look at like in my children,
it's kind of dawning on me that, as you know,
for generations here in America, we've had the ability to

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put such an emphasis on living a long life, and
it may be time to kind of dispel that with
the next generation, that the real goal isn't necessarily living
to your ninety and living a long life, but maybe
the goal is leaving a legacy. And I think previous
generations over humanity, that was their focus. And that's why
there's people that hundreds of years later, on thousands even

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we still talk about them, because the goal wasn't to
be here forever. The goal was to leave a lasting
legacy rooted in truth and what was right, what was good.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
So I just wanted to leave that perspective.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I think that's the best perspective. I think that is
definitely the best perspective. Three weeks ago, Charlie Kirk tweeted
It's all about Jesus. That was a tweet. And what's
interesting about that is he was asked separately during an interview,

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how would you want to be known if you died?
And he said, for my faith. What's interesting is Charlie
Kirk's faith, his belief in Christ. His belief in Christ

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was sufficient and fulfilling such that when he said this
is what I believe, he didn't feel the need to say, now,
I understand not all of y'all believe that, and that's Okay,
I hope you're not offended. How many times do we

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see it said half our population has been wiped out
by the enemy. We should know if you are a
person who prays pray to whoever or whatever, or what
rock or what strand of hair or what other alien

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incarnation of pseudo polka dots you've made into a religion,
because God forbid anyone be offended that you've taken up
your cross, which was exactly the reason you took up

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your cross. Got to give the Muslims credit. They don't
say we're gonna pray to Allah now, but if that
offends you, pray to whatever wart or grasshopper you pray to. No,

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they pray to their God as they see it, unashamed, unafraid.
But not us. Not us. Most of our people are
more worried about upsetting someone than they are following their faith.

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And that tells you everything about their faith, because when
push comes to shove or the hammers get racked, you
ask yourself, how many people that are talking tough today
will not be with you, because well, you know the

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other side is not so bad. They're not so bad,
are they? What winshield? You're up go ahead, you got
forty eight seconds.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
Go got two points to make, the former being the
most important. Charlie Kirk was a Christian martyr. He was
a fearless man of God, and that's the reason why
they had to take him out. The second my second
reason explains that a little bit better. But I think
he needs to be recognized for his faith, what he
did for everyone, and that's why they That's why they

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took him. But he was fighting a government, communist and
doctrination center, single handedly, a man of God taking on
this evil in the world. They had to take him
out because he was corrupting their woke militia that they're
turning out of the ecology seven.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
One three nine nine nine one thousand. Seven one three
nine nine nine one thousand. I think it's very inspiring
that Charlie was a community college dropout went across the
country to campuses not to debate. That suggests there's a

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winner and a loser to discuss, to engage. I mean,
what a what a naive idea? Right? What a naive
idea that we can use our words to discuss and disagree,
maybe learn something about each other in the process. I
wouldn't do that would you. I wouldn't go on to

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these campuses a bunch of nut jobs. But he did,
Thank God he did, Thank God he did. And that's
why my goal is, my hope is that his legacy
will be that his organization that was on eight hundred

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campuses will be on eight thousand tomorrow, that his name
will be quoted on the lips of young people coming
to grips with the world around them. Is that Lance,

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you're on the Michael Berry ship?

Speaker 10 (17:43):
Go ahead, sure, well, First and foremost, thanks for giving
us all the opportunity to speak our opinions on your show.
What you do each and every day and continue to do.
I'm a Catholic Christian down here in Texas, and it's
important that when we introduce our sloves that we identify
who we are and who we are, and we know
that he gave us that voice. Several people give us

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that voice, but we have to know who we are
and how we're going to present ourselves in a society.
It's very, very, very important, though, that we do not
forget thousands upon thousands of men and women. It didn't
matter if they were white, black, brown, Christian, Protestants, Jewish,
Islamic that served our country. They came here to America,

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they served our country proudly to defend that opportunity. And
a lot of it went haywire after nine to eleven,
and a lot of it went crazy and political even
when we went back to retaliate in all the wars Iraq, Afghanistan.
But there's a lot of families reeling today, and we
can't let the single act of one person who had
his own ideology or maybe his or her messed up

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opinion in their head ruin the sacred day that we
have to present to remember September eleventh's victims, America's supporters
after that event, and just anybody the history of our country,
our great nation, who has given their life literally so
that you can have your radio show and people can

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have those open bates, debates and open discussions. Look, we
know who we are. I've identified who I am. When
you present yourself to somebody, Americans, we need to step up,
tell them exactly who you are, what your belief system is.
And I think instantly you'll gain respect from the person
across the aisle from you or sitting next to you
on the bus. And after that respect is established, and

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made you can't have wrong opinions and wrong questions. Everybody's
as going to nod their head and say, I respect
you for the voice that you have and the opinion
that you have, So respect to something that's lost to
all these thumb warriors on social media who I'm ashamed
that I've read through and scrolled through and couldn't sleep
last night. But I can't let that shame and those,
like I said, thumb warriors ruin the institution that is

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the great United States of America. So thank you for
the opinions that you let us share on your show.
And just as we go around, we to be nicer
to each other and just keyword key in on respect.
Charlie showed respect. But you know what, we all have
instances where we lose thought of that lose train of thought,
and we have to keep that front and center as

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we guide ourselves and carry ourselves through this life as
we want to achieve salvation to get to the next one.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Thank you, Lance. I also think it's important to understand
that when we talk about kindness, we talk about respect,
we should not indiscriminately assume that anyone else is on
the wrong side of history. Or the wrong side of

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the truth based on the shell that they were into
the room, whatever that may be, color, race, nationality, accent.
But I also think it's important to understand that the
problem here. Okay, let's take one example, and we don't

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know this, but I'll use this because there's a chance
that this is Let's say this came from a upset
person who is upset over their own sexuality. They have dysphoria,
and they're angry because Charlie Kirk did not reinforce their

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view as a boy that they're a girl, and that's
upsetting them. So we're in very naive with good people.
So we will tend to have as our reaction to
this more naivety and more goodness. And that's not necessarily
a bad thing. But it's also important to understand the

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root of what we are battling about. We are not
battling for the heart and soul of this country over niceness.
Our side does not lack niceness. We do not lack
enough good Christian charity or kindness to other people in
acts small and large. The problem, the breakdown, the crumble,

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is when you've got doctors who have decided that it
is now their role to perform surgeries without the consent
of the parents. Who would think that a social worker
who comes into the house because somebody at the school
says the Smiths won't let Roger become Regina and a

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kid is taken out of the house, we don't think
of that as an act of violence. But if you're
going to use the language as to what spurs violence,
you're going to use the language of the left. That
act is violence. You have now destroyed that family, and

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you've destroyed that little boy because there will come a
day that he will regret it. It will happen. And
when that happens, when you do such a thing, those
parents don't go quietly into the good night. They start talking,
They start speaking out, they start seeking change, They start

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making phone calls and giving interviews, and you set off
a chain reaction. Well, nobody goes back to the social worker.
She's not the one getting shot. It's Charlie Kirk. Neither
one of them should be shot. But make no mistake,

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the social worker at two o'clock in the afternoon was
the assassination of Archbishop Franz Ferdinand. That's what triggers these things.
The school counselor who behind the back of the parents,
transitions the child, renames the child, puts them through this

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whole life. And this is in every aspect of life.
We have to understand that the left battles this war
an iron fist in a velvet glove, speakers, smart devices
from Michael's brain, every single one of them to your ears.
This is the Michael Verry Show. We will learn who

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the shooter is, why he did it, what he's written,
every last detail. We will hear every detail of the investigation,
every conspiracy theory. It was the Jews, it was the trainees,
it was Israel, it was this, it was a and

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maybe it will be one of them. I don't know,
but there will be time and place for that. That's
not here and that's not now. If the reason we fit,
there are two reasons we feel lost. Number one is
the incredibly good work that was done and the manner

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in which it was done. And number two, the manner
in which he was killed, because this suggests something bigger
than even one person and one message. In one form
of advocacy, it suggests an attempt to silence, to intimidate,

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to frighten. There are a lot of effects of that,
and even if you didn't know who Charlie Kirk was,
you have to recognize that fact. That's why things like
this are done in this man and there will be
a time and place for that. But today I think

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the greatest tribute we can pay is an actual tribute
to the hearts and minds that were won over to people,
especially young people, but not only young people who were
impressed by this. I did hear from young listeners who

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told me that when they were in college just a
few years ago, or some in college or in high school,
that this was a message that resonated in them, very raw,
very stripped down, and bear the unplugged album if you will.
No production value, nothing, no big introduction, no June June,

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June June, no screen behind him, just walking onto a campus,
three thousand people there, calling among the audience. Because he knew,
he knew there would be naysayers, he knew there would
be people walking around angry all the time that Charlie

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Kirk had nothing to do with. But now that he
was on campus, they were mad. That people were happy,
and they were mad, and they were happy and they
were mad, and they were mad because they were happy,
and they'd love to come over and go. And what
they really do you actually watch, If you watch with
the volume off and you watch the body language, you

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don't need to hear the words. The words might be
you're hateful, you're Nazi, you're hitler, you're horrible, you murdered me,
You're terrible, you're the worst, you're horrible, they're all sorts
of ways. You're a bad person, you beat your wife,
you're you're you're the worst, You're you should die, you're
you're horrible, you're hitler. You can change all of those words.

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They're interchangeable, they're fungible, they don't matter. They are just
to be picked up and dropped in and they change
by the day. But what doesn't change is the body
language and the body language. And they walk in says
I'm hurting, I'm angry, I'm confused, I don't know which

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way to turn. I don't fit in. Nothing makes sense,
nobody likes me, least of all me. I hate myself,
I despise myself, and I would kill myself, except you
wouldn't care. That's written all over their face in everybody language.
I would kill myself right now, except the worst part

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of my meaningless life that no one cares about is
that no one would care it was over, and that
really bothers me. That's the worst indignity of all. So
lurking behind all of that in this dysphoria is if

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I kill a bunch of people who are loved, who
are happy, who do have meaningful entanglements like marriages and
parenthood and friendship and brotherhood and work and fellowship. If

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I can destroy something beautiful, then my dark, ugly life
will in some odd way half meaning because then at
least they have to notice me. They have to notice
me most of all the parading around in public with

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the big wigs and the carrying on and everybody seeing
me and the twerking and all that. You ever ask yourself,
why why does somebody go to all that trouble to
go out in public and do this because they feel
so small, because they feel so alone and meaningless. No

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one else's fault, it's their own life, but that's how
they feel. And so they decide, I'm not going to
let you not look at me for another minute. I'm
going to force you to confront that I exist. But

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why because nobody's noticing me? Over here. I'm not noticing
any of the other people either. It's not my responsibility
to notice them. Only have so much bandwidth. Once you
twist and pervert that person internally into self doubt, dysphoria, anger, frustration, confusion, resentment,

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they're left with with what because eventually you push them
out of the high school and then what They don't
fit in anywhere else. They don't have any meaningful relationships.
They've turned all those off. They've called their parents the
worst monsters, they've turned on their previous friends. And so

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there they are in some apartment or maybe in mom's basement, angry,
confused with an internet connection. What are they hearing? What
are they hearing? What are they hearing? And the amazing
thing is it Charlie knew that he knew what was

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out there on campuses. He understood the risk. How about
his wife, Erica, who said, there's no way she didn't
know the risk? And she said, yeah, what you're doing
is so important, continue to do it. Some of those
important jobs that need to be done are inherently dangerous.

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He knew that you're a sitting duck. Every day I
saw an article. He had security, He had people standing
next to him so that you couldn't jump on him,
and frankly, if you act fast, you could probably out
maneuver them. That's just the nature of the beast. He
didn't have secret Service detail that went up on top

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of the roof. Of course Trump did too, and it
didn't stop them. The point is not how stupid people
were around him that this happened, because I don't think
you could have stopped this particular shooting. The point is
how brave you have to be to know there are risks,
unknown risks, but to know there are risks and to

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believe in what you're doing. That that's the reach I
want to have

Speaker 7 (33:04):
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