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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I received a messagest from a friend who's been a
friend for a long time. So he remembers my history,
and he said, didn't you have a big supporter when
you ran for mayor named John Ball? I said I did.
I haven't thought about John Baugh in a long time.
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He said, you remember his wife's name. I said I don't.
It's a southern name. Would it be Eula May I said, yeah,
John and Ula may Ball. That's it. So he tells
me the story. The John and Ula may Ball Foundation
has given six hundred and forty three thousand dollars to
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Baylor University to promote LGBTQ plus inclusion. I said, oh, no,
you got the wrong guy. John Ball was very conservative.
He said that's what I thought. I remember you were
good friends with him. Yeah. He said, well, let me
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to send you this. There is a grassroots swell of
Baylor graduates in this friend of mine's Baylor graduate who
do not want Baylor to accept this money. It's to
promote LGBTQ plus inclusion. I said, this doesn't make any sense. Well,
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my friend said he would dig into it, and he did.
It turns out that John and Ulo may who passed
twenty years ago, created a very large foundation, and their children,
as often happens, have become left wing nuts, and so
they give They apparently are the donor decision makers. So
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they give money, in this case to a consistently conservative institution,
at least historically for left wing causes. And universities are
whoors for money. They will do anything for money, so
even if it doesn't align with their core values. You've
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got the person who is in charge of the endowment
and raising money is the term for It eludes me,
this morment, But there's a term for the person who's
in charge of getting donors to give money. And universities
have an appetite for this that is insane. It's crazy
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how much they focus on fundraising. It's it's worse than
a congressman. Okay, I might be getting out of hand there,
but it's bad. So he said, I'm gonna do some
digging into this, and he did, and I just shudder
to think that John and Ula may Ball. A gift
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was given to Baylor. As of todaylor has rejected. They
have now that some sunlight has been shed on this issue,
they have refused the six hundred and forty three thousand
dollars given it back. So here's John Ball's name being
dragged through the mud by what are I'm sure he's
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good for nothing kids giving donations to causes he would
not have supported. Quick story on John Ball. So I
was on city council, elected in two thousand and one,
took office January two thousand and two, and a year
into it, I'm running for mayor in two thousand and three.
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It was me, Bill White, Orlando Sanchez, and Silvester Turner
who were the four who were running. Bill ended up
winning and I became mayor pro temps, so the vice mayor. Anyway,
John Ball contacted me through Jack Carlson, who was his
head of real estate. The act's son became my campaign manager.
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Oh my goodness, I really am getting old. I how
do I remember his name? His dad's name and not
him anyway, It'll come to me and say his son
was leaving the was leaving the army where he was
a captain. Carlson come on Michael anyway, and he had
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been the aid to the commanding officer at Fort Hood
and he wasn't sure what he wanted to do. So
it was maybe March or April of twenty two thousand
and three, I brought him on to run my life,
my day to day, schedule meetings, make calls. At that point,
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a candidate should not be the person deciding. You know
who you're calling and how much you're asking for, and
who you're sending to pick up the check. And it
starts with a sea something crossing, it doesn't matter anyway.
He went on to he very successful. He went to
he had graduated from West Point, as I said, he'd
served in the army rank of captain. And then he
went to Rice University and got an MBA, and then
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he went from there to Goldman Sachs and did high
net worth management. He ran in the circles of Houston's
what were then millionaires but now would be even more
than that. So John Ball took a liking to me
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because of some things I did on city council that
he felt like city council didn't do enough of conservative things,
voting against the budget, fighting the mayor, fighting against Lee Brown.
And he gave me ten thousand dollars and he opened
the door to a lot of people in Houston who
at that point he was probably ninety at that age,
but he opened the door to me to a lot
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of people who had been influential in the sixties and seventies.
And the story he told me was that in nineteen
thirty he had walked from Waco, where he was born
and raised, to Houston with no money and they have
a backpack back then, something like a rucksack on his shoulder.
And he would eventually found Cisco, which became the largest
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food service company in the world. And if you eat
at a restaurant, something that that restaurant uses, whether it's
their meats, their vegetables, their condiments, their plates, their forks,
you name it, something came from Cisco. And Cisco was
a major Houston company, kind of kept their head down,
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stayed out of the public eye, but it was important
to him to have a business friendly mayor, which he
felt like he had not had in a long time.
I got to know him pretty well. I believe he
was involved in a second Baptist if I remember the Carlsons were.
But it just it's amazing to me that here we
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twenty years later and a major donation is given to
an institution he cared deeply about, which was Baylor in
his name, and his wife's name, but for a very
very fringe issue, and to think that's that's how that
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came to pass. It kind of makes me sad to
think that here he is gone, and his money is
being used by his kids for something he would not
have approved of, and bringing bringing a smear, a stain
on his good name that he worked so darned hard
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to build it is. That's a bummer. What was Carlson's
first name? This is crazy, you know. I tell people
it doesn't mean that I don't like you. If I
can't remember your name, it's just I can't remember names
of the Court of impeachment is hereby dissolved, mister Michael
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barry Well? Not about desert raps are all up? One listener,
writes Jeffrey Epstein. When I hear that name, my brain
shuts off. In the big picture, this guy, this story,
it means nothing. I don't personally give a crap anything
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about this, nor do any of my friend's neighbors or
family members with whom I discuss politics. I don't understand
why this keeps regenerating as news. Okay, I'll tell you now.
Do you think Ronald Reagan mattered? Do you think Jim
Comey mattered. You think Lee Harvey Oswald mattered. Do you
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think Jay Edgar Hoover mattered? Or maybe Nixon or Bob
Haldeman or Erlickman or Jim Baker. If you think those
men mattered, then you should think that Jeffrey Epstein matters.
The Epstein story. It's amazing we still have to have
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this conversation the Epstein story. Okay, to it. Let me
step back from homent. Let me not assume to be
true conclusions that any reasonable person can make. Let me
state what we know to be the truth. Truth, all right.
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We know it to be the case that Jeffrey Epstein
hired young ladies to pleasure him, so long young that
their age is in violation of the law, That he
did that repeatedly over many, many years. We know that
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Glaine Maxwell procured those girls for him. Okay, this we know.
But he's just another freakish pedophile. You're right, that's not
a reason to spend the nation's timeline. But Jeffrey Epstein,
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as a pedophile who was caught and convicted and given
a sweetheart deal, he would be housed in Palm Beach
at the jail there. He would be allowed to leave
in the morning and return late at night, and he
was supposed to sleep there at the center. That's how
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he served out his sentence. A very unique sentence. But okay,
so we got a pedophile who was being treated like
a king in not really doing his time the way
he's supposed to. We know that he was allowed to
go out during the day because he was administering a foundation.
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It was an important foundation that gave away a lot
of money, and we know that that foundation was created
just before he went to jail. He didn't have to
go and serve in prison. He served in jail. Jail
is where you're stuck, whether you're in the drunk tank
or whatever else. Jail is the local facility, not the
state facility. The people in the local facility are not
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serving a long time sentence, so you're less likely to
get butt raped or shanked or some other horrible thing
happened to you in the jail. You'd always rather serve
your time in the local jail, the county jail, than
you would the prison, which is where the bad guys are,
including people who are in for life. That's a whole
different culture. So he's allowed in this posh jail to
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sleep every night. Supposedly, there's arguments he didn't even go
every night to sleep there, but he's allowed out all
day for a foundation he just created a way. So
you're starting to get the sense this guy's being treated
like a king. All right, Well, again not worthy of
much of our time. After that, which was reported on,
so now we know he's a pedophile. He's a bad guy.
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Even after that, almost every powerful person you can imagine
in business, media, law, and politics would join him as
his guest on a private island, and people will tell
you it's his island. He didn't own the island. Les
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Wexler did, who was a multi billionaire who owned young
girl's clothing stores forever twenty one or some of those.
That's supposedly where Epstein's money came from. Get to that
in the moment. The fact that Epstein was able to
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get all of these powerful people to join him on
a private island, This often speaks to some level of
power and influence he has and the willingness of these
powerful people whose images are everything to risk being exposed
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for hanging out with a man who is a known pedophile.
The island that he would fly them to all expense paid.
You don't cover anything. Was known as orgy Island. Well,
old rich powerful men don't want to be in an
orgy with a bunch of other old rich powerful men.
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The reason it was called orgy Island is that they
wanted the forbidden fruit. They could not have. You'll go
to prison for life. They wanted extremely young girls. Prince
Andrew was exposed and kicked out of the family that
the royal family, for his involvement with the girl who
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started at twelve the first time he started getting with her.
He's just one of many on these flights. Okay, So
Jeffrey Epstein's just a procurer of women for rich men.
But he's not running a brothel. He's not getting paid.
No one can ever account for where his money came from.
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Why is he making Why does he have all these
assets at his disposal billions of dollars. He is referred
to as a billionaire. He was not a billionaire. He
never made money. They would have you believe it's high
finance because most people don't understand high finance. He wasn't
in private equity, he wasn't in some arbitrage, he wasn't Bowski.
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He wasn't milking, he wasn't kkr. The money was just there.
He didn't inherit. It wasn't even raised rich. The logistics
of getting famous people with busy schedules musicians, actors, politicians,
businessmen on one plane at one time is impossible. You'll
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see that occasionally when someone gets married, you know, the
queen or the princess gets married, or Bruce Willis or
some major figure, and even then a lot of people
can't make it because their schedules conflict. He managed to
do that all at his own expense when he never
made the money. Now, all of that that's not open
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for dispute. All of those facts are entered into evidence.
Bill Gates's wife Melinda, when they were going through their divorce,
they revealed that he was spending a lot of time
with Jeffrey Epstein and that disturbed her, and that he
was aware of all the sexual escapades and that he
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would fly to the island. Well, okay, he also spent
a lot of money and still spends money on two things,
depopulating the earth officially that's his position, and pushing for vaccines. Yeah,
the Jeffrey Epstein story being hidden and we can't know
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who was on those planes. Yeah, it's probably the biggest
political story today. President Trumpell scheduled for an intelligence briefing
to have begun five minutes ago. I don't know if
it was. I just know I check his schedule quite often,
and that is the only thing on his public schedule.
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Unlike Joe Biden. That doesn't mean he won't be doing
anything today. It's just the only thing that is an
announced public event. Usually there is a typical schedule is
he will receive various heads of state, sometimes like he
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did African leaders recently, so that he could have moltiple
at one time. You only have so many hours in
a day. Trump is a very, very hands on president,
more than any president certainly in my lifetime, and perhaps
going back to the earliest days. Now, you didn't have
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a cabinet and a staff and a bureaucracy in the
early days the way you do today was not operated
that way, but in the era of the imperial presidency,
which we'll measure as beginning with Nixon, and i'd even
go back as with LBJ, JFK. Eisenhower, Truman, Fdr. Hoover. Yeah,
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I would say he's the most hands on president. The
only other president to rival him would in that sense
would be Bill Clinton, who was also a very very
your hands on president. Double on Taunder intended, but yes,
he also was very involved in all the decision making
in addition to being hansy Zara. I thought the issue
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with this distribution center had been resolved. The package I
was tracking was shipped from Houston to Conroe on July
twenty seventh. Before sending this email. Today, I tracked again
and my package has not budged. Pulling my hair out, Diana, hmm,
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maybe you ought to drive down there. I think you
could have walked to Conro in less time than that
I said earlier, and I mean it if you are.
If you see an organization where someone cannot be fired,
you will see an organization with systemic problems. I don't
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care if that's the priesthood. I don't care if it's
a big megachurch. I don't care if it's a post
office or anything else. When there is not an ability
to replace people who are not performing, you're not going
to have a high performing organization. You see who the
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starting third basement for the American League is going to be.
Mister mud mister, longtime sports media guru. You know, you
and Chance mcleann are funny characters. You were both at six',
Ten you were both in sports media for. Years you
both ran sports media, shows and neither one of you
knows anything about sports? Anymore did you? Ever or you
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just turned your back and when you joined here you
became a political, guy just turned your. Back you couldn't
enjoy it. Anymore, see that's the unfortunate. Thing that's probably
what it was like For Johnny, holme is when you
do something for, money when that becomes your, job that
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is a thing that other people really love to, do
that SAPs the joy out of. It, Chance, Yeah chance.
Never it's interesting to me how many people get to
do what you think would be a whole lot of
fun and it just becomes a. Job Rush limbaugh, said you,
know he was a sports information guy For Kennessee, royals
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and he Loved George. Brett they were big. Buddies and
he said that when he, left he knew he had
to leave because it wasn't fun. Anymore it was supposed
to be. Fun this is professional. Baseball this is not
this is not working as a, mortician this is not digging.
Ditches this is not cleaning. Sludge this is a, diversion
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a distraction from the real. World The spanish reflects the
fact that it is a diversion from the real. World
but when it becomes your job and you got numbers
and dollars and cents and analytics like everybody, ELSE i
suppose it may take a little bit of the fun
out of. It it's, Interesting. ZORA i listened to your
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interview with the wonderful woman who lost HER espn reporter
daughter in a tragic plane. Crash that was our discussion
last night With karen, McCord whose daughter was AN espn
reporter and she was on a private plane four people
(21:38):
flying Into. Lafayettels her father in, Law Steve, imsbinger was
the offensive, coordinator AND i think he played tight end
there many years ago AT. Lsu but her father was
the offensive coordinator on a very GOOD lsu Team Coach
orgeron was. Coaching burrow was a quarterback and the plane
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crashed and it killed. Her and her mother has written
about that now and she reached out to me in
the aftermath of the floods to, Say i'm happy to
help any family that's struggling with the very high profile
loss of their little. Girl their little girls are younger
than mine was hers. WAS i think she was twenty
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five at the, time SO i had her own to
talk about how you grieve and how you grieve in
a public way when the death is so, public which
gets to the next point of this. Email what made
it more tragic was the fact she was getting phone
calls from friends friends of her daughter asking about the
crash before she was. Notified On march, eleventh twenty, THIRTEEN
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i was attending a company meeting In philadelphia when a
news notification popped up on my phone quote Two Special
forces killed and more injured in an attack in The
Wardock valley Of. Afghanistan, well my, Son tyler was assigned
to the Third Special Forces group in The Wardock valley Of.
AFGHANISTAN i was in a. Panic several of my colleagues
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asked me IF i was. Okay no one had ever
asked me that. Before later that, AFTERNOON i received a
call from some disinterested government representative who, said your son
is A vsi and you will be called every twelve
hours with an. Update do not call this NUMBER. Vsi
what the hell is A. Vsi he, said very seriously
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injured and hung. Up the timing of that was interesting
BECAUSE i was fussing At jim AS i often fuss
At ramon because in the, segment in the the segment
That joyce to say Just sunnyside was, ON i was
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looking At jim and he was distracted AND i needed
him to play, something AND i was getting aggravated and
he was giving me That i'm on the, phone and
so we went to. Break after, THAT i, said Was
joyce keeping you because all you have to do is, Say,
joyce hold, on she knows the. Drill he, said, no
this guy wanted to know who your urologist was AND
(24:13):
i couldn't remember who it. Was and he, said you
just talked to. HIM i, Said, jim we've got a, million, bazillion,
trillion quadrillion people out there. Listening you're letting one guy
hold your attention and distract you from delivering the. Show
that's like you're out on the mound pitching in The
World series and one guy up in the cheap seats
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Is Bob ucher and you and you're over there yelling at.
Him don't worry about. It he, goes, WELL i didn't
want to be rude to the, caller AND i, thought you,
Know jim is more concerned with being nice to our
callers than some guy in the government who's calling the
father of a service member who may well be. Dead david,
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Writes i've always stated that in order to be successful in,
politics you've got a lot how to. Compromise Elon musk
does not understand that it's all or nothing with. Him
in order to get, something you have to give a.
Little that's how things are done when you have two
parties that want to control things their own. Way if
by parties you mean in the traditional or you mean
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in the sense of participants in a conversation or an,
activity the parties in the lawsuit, say then maybe that's.
True maybe if by political parties you mean. THAT i
think it's important to. Distinguish the disagreement Between Elon musk
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And Donald trump right now is not that one or
the other is A democrat and one or the other
is the opposite. Party we are disagreeing over how far
into the PROMISED maga agenda we will go and to
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what extent we will slide back into. Compromise compromise doesn't
have to be a dirty. Word marriage doesn't work without.
It but that being, SAID i have watched men often
who determined this usually happens after a few, marriages determined
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that they were going to have a better second or
third or fourth marriage than the first, one so they
weren't ever going to, disagree and they become you, know
it's it's this sort of, joke you, know the the
the answer is always, yes. Dear you, know that's a
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joking thing that suggests, that you, know if you want
to have a happy, home you have to have good
marital relations and you have to learn to give in
to your. Wife and that's of course a. JOKE i
think some people take that, seriously AND i think you
end up in a relationship like, that full of, resentment
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and you don't really respect the person you're, with just
because you capitulate to every single thing they, want even
when it's stupid or contrary to your best. INTEREST i
think that any freethinking man who finds himself in that
situation is selling a bit of his. Soul AND i
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think there's a cost to be paid for. THAT i really.
Do if you cannot earnestly disagree where you are standing on.
PRINCIPLE i don't mean you had one too many and
you're being, disagreeable or you're being grumpy and, disagreeable or
you're taking your wife for granted when you would never
disagree with your business, partner or your customer or your
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golfing buddy over the same. ISSUE i mean where it's
a FUNDAMENTAL i and you are not advocating for yourself
because you've decided that you don't want the. DISAGREEMENT i
don't think that's a healthy. MARRIAGE i also don't think
it's healthy when you can't disagree over how much money
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our government should. SPEND i don't think it's. Healthy And
i've said this for. Years if you can't disagree With
Donald trump without him and his entire base hating you
and calling you awful, names when yesterday you Were lord
of the manor your kid is you, know setting up
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shop and playing on his, DESK i do not think
this is a healthy way to function as the world's largest,
economy military, power and representative. DEMOCRACY i am not for,
cults no matter who it. IS i am not for a.
KING i am not for one person making decisions that
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cannot be, questioned even when those decisions are contrary to
what has been promised before and what we claim we believed.
In you don't have to Take elon's, side BUT i
don't think anybody believes That elon is doing anything other
than what he, truly genuinely believes is the right thing
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for this. COUNTRY i find it odd how many people
didn't care For elon or give it a second. Thought
and then he's THE ev. Guy so he's just kind
of his KOOKY ev, guy and he's he's A, democrat
he's got a bunch of, kids he's, weird and he is.
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Weird and then he jumps on board The trump. Train
he starts writing the, checks he brings all the The rogan. Bros.
Over he all of a sudden became. EVERYBODY i know
people who Bought tesla's because it Was elon's, company and
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they got so carried away with their love Of elon
being so supportive Of trump And trump loving him so
much that they traded in their vehicles and Bought. TESLA'S
i just can't imagine. That what do they do now
now that they're. Feuding do they trade it back in
or do you drive the? Car that? Is it's. Kooky
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this the reason nations are prone to. Monarchy is many people,
weak people are prone to worshiping a. Man it's easier
because you don't actually want to have to have a
policy position that you believe in based on the fact
that it'll be good for the. Country it's just easier to.
Worship and then we got our guy and they got their.
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GUY i know people who Are trump supporters who are
no different Than Democrat obama. Supporters they support the. Personality
it's it's this cult of personality for. Them they don't
even know what he stands. For they like. Him he's,
strong he's, tough he's he's he's, tough he beat everybody.
Up he's, great he's. Tough, Okay, well what do you
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think about The what do you think about the auto
loan deduction in The One Big Beautiful bill and that
the car had the automobile has to be finished is
the term they use in The United states that allows
for dodge and. Show what do you think about? That?
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Uh what do you what do you think about That trump?
Provision it's, Good it's. GOOD i was just. Kidding it's
not A trump. Provision he hates. It he took it.
Out it would have required manufacturers in order for the
consumer to qualify that they would have to. Finish oh,
well uh, yeah that's, Yeah And i'm against. It you
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don't know what you. Are he was for, it he
got it in the. Bill it's good for the, consumer
it'll be good for, well it's good for the consumer
that does what he, wanted and it'll be good for
companies that finish their. Cars it will increase manufacturing or
assembly in The United. States but if your position as
to whether or not you're for it or against it
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is Whatever Donald trump. Is so if he doesn't like fried,
chicken you don't like fried chicken when yesterday it was
your favorite. FOOD i don't think this is, healthy, Folks i'm,
SORRY i. DON'T i don't think it's. HEALTHY i don't
think That Elon musk has to be, destroyed his reputation.
Destroyed when that guy did more than any, one single
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person other Than Donald trump to Get Donald trump. Elected
and you're telling me because he disagrees with this piece
of legislation that now he's persona non. Grada he's the.
Devil we're going to send the government after. Him you
hated him all, along and you're selling your. Car we
can't possibly be functioning like. This it can be the
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case that you disagree with his. Position you wish he
would Leave trump. Alone you wish he would stop being
naive about. Politics you wish he would understand that you
don't always get what you want out of a big.
Bill all of those are reasonable. Positions you can't tell
me all of a sudden he's a coop and he's
a weirdo and he has babies all over the. World
when that didn't bother you back In, november when he
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was stroking checks to get the president. ELECTED i, mean
do we hear? Ourselves AM i gonna be primary? Now
I received a messagest from a friend who's been a
friend for a long time. So he remembers my history,
and he said, didn't you have a big supporter when
you ran for mayor named John Ball? I said I did.
I haven't thought about John Baugh in a long time.
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He said, you remember his wife's name. I said I don't.
It's a southern name. Would it be Eula May I said, yeah,
John and Ula may Ball. That's it. So he tells
me the story. The John and Ula may Ball Foundation
has given six hundred and forty three thousand dollars to
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Baylor University to promote LGBTQ plus inclusion. I said, oh, no,
you got the wrong guy. John Ball was very conservative.
He said that's what I thought. I remember you were
good friends with him. Yeah. He said, well, let me
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to send you this. There is a grassroots swell of
Baylor graduates in this friend of mine's Baylor graduate who
do not want Baylor to accept this money. It's to
promote LGBTQ plus inclusion. I said, this doesn't make any sense. Well,
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my friend said he would dig into it, and he did.
It turns out that John and Ulo may who passed
twenty years ago, created a very large foundation, and their children,
as often happens, have become left wing nuts, and so
they give They apparently are the donor decision makers. So
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they give money, in this case to a consistently conservative institution,
at least historically for left wing causes. And universities are
whoors for money. They will do anything for money, so
even if it doesn't align with their core values. You've
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got the person who is in charge of the endowment
and raising money is the term for It eludes me,
this morment, But there's a term for the person who's
in charge of getting donors to give money. And universities
have an appetite for this that is insane. It's crazy
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how much they focus on fundraising. It's it's worse than
a congressman. Okay, I might be getting out of hand there,
but it's bad. So he said, I'm gonna do some
digging into this, and he did, and I just shudder
to think that John and Ula may Ball. A gift
(02:57):
was given to Baylor. As of todaylor has rejected. They
have now that some sunlight has been shed on this issue,
they have refused the six hundred and forty three thousand
dollars given it back. So here's John Ball's name being
dragged through the mud by what are I'm sure he's
(03:18):
good for nothing kids giving donations to causes he would
not have supported. Quick story on John Ball. So I
was on city council, elected in two thousand and one,
took office January two thousand and two, and a year
into it, I'm running for mayor in two thousand and three.
(03:41):
It was me, Bill White, Orlando Sanchez, and Silvester Turner
who were the four who were running. Bill ended up
winning and I became mayor pro temps, so the vice mayor. Anyway,
John Ball contacted me through Jack Carlson, who was his
head of real estate. The act's son became my campaign manager.
(04:06):
Oh my goodness, I really am getting old. I how
do I remember his name? His dad's name and not
him anyway, It'll come to me and say his son
was leaving the was leaving the army where he was
a captain. Carlson come on Michael anyway, and he had
(04:26):
been the aid to the commanding officer at Fort Hood
and he wasn't sure what he wanted to do. So
it was maybe March or April of twenty two thousand
and three, I brought him on to run my life,
my day to day, schedule meetings, make calls. At that point,
(04:47):
a candidate should not be the person deciding. You know
who you're calling and how much you're asking for, and
who you're sending to pick up the check. And it
starts with a sea something crossing, it doesn't matter anyway.
He went on to he very successful. He went to
he had graduated from West Point, as I said, he'd
served in the army rank of captain. And then he
went to Rice University and got an MBA, and then
(05:11):
he went from there to Goldman Sachs and did high
net worth management. He ran in the circles of Houston's
what were then millionaires but now would be even more
than that. So John Ball took a liking to me
(05:31):
because of some things I did on city council that
he felt like city council didn't do enough of conservative things,
voting against the budget, fighting the mayor, fighting against Lee Brown.
And he gave me ten thousand dollars and he opened
the door to a lot of people in Houston who
at that point he was probably ninety at that age,
but he opened the door to me to a lot
(05:52):
of people who had been influential in the sixties and seventies.
And the story he told me was that in nineteen
thirty he had walked from Waco, where he was born
and raised, to Houston with no money and they have
a backpack back then, something like a rucksack on his shoulder.
And he would eventually found Cisco, which became the largest
(06:16):
food service company in the world. And if you eat
at a restaurant, something that that restaurant uses, whether it's
their meats, their vegetables, their condiments, their plates, their forks,
you name it, something came from Cisco. And Cisco was
a major Houston company, kind of kept their head down,
(06:36):
stayed out of the public eye, but it was important
to him to have a business friendly mayor, which he
felt like he had not had in a long time.
I got to know him pretty well. I believe he
was involved in a second Baptist if I remember the Carlsons were.
But it just it's amazing to me that here we
(07:00):
twenty years later and a major donation is given to
an institution he cared deeply about, which was Baylor in
his name, and his wife's name, but for a very
very fringe issue, and to think that's that's how that
(07:20):
came to pass. It kind of makes me sad to
think that here he is gone, and his money is
being used by his kids for something he would not
have approved of, and bringing bringing a smear, a stain
on his good name that he worked so darned hard
(07:42):
to build it is. That's a bummer. What was Carlson's
first name? This is crazy, you know. I tell people
it doesn't mean that I don't like you. If I
can't remember your name, it's just I can't remember names
of the Court of impeachment is hereby dissolved, mister Michael
(08:03):
barry Well? Not about desert raps are all up? One listener,
writes Jeffrey Epstein. When I hear that name, my brain
shuts off. In the big picture, this guy, this story,
it means nothing. I don't personally give a crap anything
(08:24):
about this, nor do any of my friend's neighbors or
family members with whom I discuss politics. I don't understand
why this keeps regenerating as news. Okay, I'll tell you now.
Do you think Ronald Reagan mattered? Do you think Jim
Comey mattered. You think Lee Harvey Oswald mattered. Do you
(08:49):
think Jay Edgar Hoover mattered? Or maybe Nixon or Bob
Haldeman or Erlickman or Jim Baker. If you think those
men mattered, then you should think that Jeffrey Epstein matters.
The Epstein story. It's amazing we still have to have
(09:12):
this conversation the Epstein story. Okay, to it. Let me
step back from homent. Let me not assume to be
true conclusions that any reasonable person can make. Let me
state what we know to be the truth. Truth, all right.
(09:33):
We know it to be the case that Jeffrey Epstein
hired young ladies to pleasure him, so long young that
their age is in violation of the law, That he
did that repeatedly over many, many years. We know that
(09:54):
Glaine Maxwell procured those girls for him. Okay, this we know.
But he's just another freakish pedophile. You're right, that's not
a reason to spend the nation's timeline. But Jeffrey Epstein,
(10:16):
as a pedophile who was caught and convicted and given
a sweetheart deal, he would be housed in Palm Beach
at the jail there. He would be allowed to leave
in the morning and return late at night, and he
was supposed to sleep there at the center. That's how
(10:36):
he served out his sentence. A very unique sentence. But okay,
so we got a pedophile who was being treated like
a king in not really doing his time the way
he's supposed to. We know that he was allowed to
go out during the day because he was administering a foundation.
(10:56):
It was an important foundation that gave away a lot
of money, and we know that that foundation was created
just before he went to jail. He didn't have to
go and serve in prison. He served in jail. Jail
is where you're stuck, whether you're in the drunk tank
or whatever else. Jail is the local facility, not the
state facility. The people in the local facility are not
(11:20):
serving a long time sentence, so you're less likely to
get butt raped or shanked or some other horrible thing
happened to you in the jail. You'd always rather serve
your time in the local jail, the county jail, than
you would the prison, which is where the bad guys are,
including people who are in for life. That's a whole
different culture. So he's allowed in this posh jail to
(11:45):
sleep every night. Supposedly, there's arguments he didn't even go
every night to sleep there, but he's allowed out all
day for a foundation he just created a way. So
you're starting to get the sense this guy's being treated
like a king. All right, Well, again not worthy of
much of our time. After that, which was reported on,
so now we know he's a pedophile. He's a bad guy.
(12:10):
Even after that, almost every powerful person you can imagine
in business, media, law, and politics would join him as
his guest on a private island, and people will tell
you it's his island. He didn't own the island. Les
(12:30):
Wexler did, who was a multi billionaire who owned young
girl's clothing stores forever twenty one or some of those.
That's supposedly where Epstein's money came from. Get to that
in the moment. The fact that Epstein was able to
(12:50):
get all of these powerful people to join him on
a private island, This often speaks to some level of
power and influence he has and the willingness of these
powerful people whose images are everything to risk being exposed
(13:12):
for hanging out with a man who is a known pedophile.
The island that he would fly them to all expense paid.
You don't cover anything. Was known as orgy Island. Well,
old rich powerful men don't want to be in an
orgy with a bunch of other old rich powerful men.
(13:35):
The reason it was called orgy Island is that they
wanted the forbidden fruit. They could not have. You'll go
to prison for life. They wanted extremely young girls. Prince
Andrew was exposed and kicked out of the family that
the royal family, for his involvement with the girl who
(13:56):
started at twelve the first time he started getting with her.
He's just one of many on these flights. Okay, So
Jeffrey Epstein's just a procurer of women for rich men.
But he's not running a brothel. He's not getting paid.
No one can ever account for where his money came from.
(14:18):
Why is he making Why does he have all these
assets at his disposal billions of dollars. He is referred
to as a billionaire. He was not a billionaire. He
never made money. They would have you believe it's high
finance because most people don't understand high finance. He wasn't
in private equity, he wasn't in some arbitrage, he wasn't Bowski.
(14:43):
He wasn't milking, he wasn't kkr. The money was just there.
He didn't inherit. It wasn't even raised rich. The logistics
of getting famous people with busy schedules musicians, actors, politicians,
businessmen on one plane at one time is impossible. You'll
(15:07):
see that occasionally when someone gets married, you know, the
queen or the princess gets married, or Bruce Willis or
some major figure, and even then a lot of people
can't make it because their schedules conflict. He managed to
do that all at his own expense when he never
made the money. Now, all of that that's not open
(15:31):
for dispute. All of those facts are entered into evidence.
Bill Gates's wife Melinda, when they were going through their divorce,
they revealed that he was spending a lot of time
with Jeffrey Epstein and that disturbed her, and that he
was aware of all the sexual escapades and that he
(15:52):
would fly to the island. Well, okay, he also spent
a lot of money and still spends money on two things,
depopulating the earth officially that's his position, and pushing for vaccines. Yeah,
the Jeffrey Epstein story being hidden and we can't know
(16:13):
who was on those planes. Yeah, it's probably the biggest
political story today. President Trumpell scheduled for an intelligence briefing
to have begun five minutes ago. I don't know if
it was. I just know I check his schedule quite often,
and that is the only thing on his public schedule.
(16:35):
Unlike Joe Biden. That doesn't mean he won't be doing
anything today. It's just the only thing that is an
announced public event. Usually there is a typical schedule is
he will receive various heads of state, sometimes like he
(16:55):
did African leaders recently, so that he could have moltiple
at one time. You only have so many hours in
a day. Trump is a very, very hands on president,
more than any president certainly in my lifetime, and perhaps
going back to the earliest days. Now, you didn't have
(17:18):
a cabinet and a staff and a bureaucracy in the
early days the way you do today was not operated
that way, but in the era of the imperial presidency,
which we'll measure as beginning with Nixon, and i'd even
go back as with LBJ, JFK. Eisenhower, Truman, Fdr. Hoover. Yeah,
(17:50):
I would say he's the most hands on president. The
only other president to rival him would in that sense
would be Bill Clinton, who was also a very very
your hands on president. Double on Taunder intended, but yes,
he also was very involved in all the decision making
in addition to being hansy Zara. I thought the issue
(18:14):
with this distribution center had been resolved. The package I
was tracking was shipped from Houston to Conroe on July
twenty seventh. Before sending this email. Today, I tracked again
and my package has not budged. Pulling my hair out, Diana, hmm,
(18:36):
maybe you ought to drive down there. I think you
could have walked to Conro in less time than that
I said earlier, and I mean it if you are.
If you see an organization where someone cannot be fired,
you will see an organization with systemic problems. I don't
(19:00):
care if that's the priesthood. I don't care if it's
a big megachurch. I don't care if it's a post
office or anything else. When there is not an ability
to replace people who are not performing, you're not going
to have a high performing organization. You see who the
(19:23):
starting third basement for the American League is going to be.
Mister mud mister, longtime sports media guru. You know, you
and Chance mcleann are funny characters. You were both at six',
Ten you were both in sports media for. Years you
both ran sports media, shows and neither one of you
knows anything about sports? Anymore did you? Ever or you
(19:47):
just turned your back and when you joined here you
became a political, guy just turned your. Back you couldn't
enjoy it. Anymore, see that's the unfortunate. Thing that's probably
what it was like For Johnny, holme is when you
do something for, money when that becomes your, job that
(20:07):
is a thing that other people really love to, do
that SAPs the joy out of. It, Chance, Yeah chance.
Never it's interesting to me how many people get to
do what you think would be a whole lot of
fun and it just becomes a. Job Rush limbaugh, said you,
know he was a sports information guy For Kennessee, royals
(20:29):
and he Loved George. Brett they were big. Buddies and
he said that when he, left he knew he had
to leave because it wasn't fun. Anymore it was supposed
to be. Fun this is professional. Baseball this is not
this is not working as a, mortician this is not digging.
Ditches this is not cleaning. Sludge this is a, diversion
(20:55):
a distraction from the real. World The spanish reflects the
fact that it is a diversion from the real. World
but when it becomes your job and you got numbers
and dollars and cents and analytics like everybody, ELSE i
suppose it may take a little bit of the fun
out of. It it's, Interesting. ZORA i listened to your
(21:18):
interview with the wonderful woman who lost HER espn reporter
daughter in a tragic plane. Crash that was our discussion
last night With karen, McCord whose daughter was AN espn
reporter and she was on a private plane four people
(21:38):
flying Into. Lafayettels her father in, Law Steve, imsbinger was
the offensive, coordinator AND i think he played tight end
there many years ago AT. Lsu but her father was
the offensive coordinator on a very GOOD lsu Team Coach
orgeron was. Coaching burrow was a quarterback and the plane
(22:00):
crashed and it killed. Her and her mother has written
about that now and she reached out to me in
the aftermath of the floods to, Say i'm happy to
help any family that's struggling with the very high profile
loss of their little. Girl their little girls are younger
than mine was hers. WAS i think she was twenty
(22:22):
five at the, time SO i had her own to
talk about how you grieve and how you grieve in
a public way when the death is so, public which
gets to the next point of this. Email what made
it more tragic was the fact she was getting phone
calls from friends friends of her daughter asking about the
crash before she was. Notified On march, eleventh twenty, THIRTEEN
(22:45):
i was attending a company meeting In philadelphia when a
news notification popped up on my phone quote Two Special
forces killed and more injured in an attack in The
Wardock valley Of. Afghanistan, well my, Son tyler was assigned
to the Third Special Forces group in The Wardock valley Of.
AFGHANISTAN i was in a. Panic several of my colleagues
(23:08):
asked me IF i was. Okay no one had ever
asked me that. Before later that, AFTERNOON i received a
call from some disinterested government representative who, said your son
is A vsi and you will be called every twelve
hours with an. Update do not call this NUMBER. Vsi
what the hell is A. Vsi he, said very seriously
(23:29):
injured and hung. Up the timing of that was interesting
BECAUSE i was fussing At jim AS i often fuss
At ramon because in the, segment in the the segment
That joyce to say Just sunnyside was, ON i was
(23:51):
looking At jim and he was distracted AND i needed
him to play, something AND i was getting aggravated and
he was giving me That i'm on the, phone and
so we went to. Break after, THAT i, said Was
joyce keeping you because all you have to do is, Say,
joyce hold, on she knows the. Drill he, said, no
this guy wanted to know who your urologist was AND
(24:13):
i couldn't remember who it. Was and he, said you
just talked to. HIM i, Said, jim we've got a, million, bazillion,
trillion quadrillion people out there. Listening you're letting one guy
hold your attention and distract you from delivering the. Show
that's like you're out on the mound pitching in The
World series and one guy up in the cheap seats
(24:34):
Is Bob ucher and you and you're over there yelling at.
Him don't worry about. It he, goes, WELL i didn't
want to be rude to the, caller AND i, thought you,
Know jim is more concerned with being nice to our
callers than some guy in the government who's calling the
father of a service member who may well be. Dead david,
(24:56):
Writes i've always stated that in order to be successful in,
politics you've got a lot how to. Compromise Elon musk
does not understand that it's all or nothing with. Him
in order to get, something you have to give a.
Little that's how things are done when you have two
parties that want to control things their own. Way if
by parties you mean in the traditional or you mean
(25:19):
in the sense of participants in a conversation or an,
activity the parties in the lawsuit, say then maybe that's.
True maybe if by political parties you mean. THAT i
think it's important to. Distinguish the disagreement Between Elon musk
(25:41):
And Donald trump right now is not that one or
the other is A democrat and one or the other
is the opposite. Party we are disagreeing over how far
into the PROMISED maga agenda we will go and to
(26:03):
what extent we will slide back into. Compromise compromise doesn't
have to be a dirty. Word marriage doesn't work without.
It but that being, SAID i have watched men often
who determined this usually happens after a few, marriages determined
(26:29):
that they were going to have a better second or
third or fourth marriage than the first, one so they
weren't ever going to, disagree and they become you, know
it's it's this sort of, joke you, know the the
the answer is always, yes. Dear you, know that's a
(26:50):
joking thing that suggests, that you, know if you want
to have a happy, home you have to have good
marital relations and you have to learn to give in
to your. Wife and that's of course a. JOKE i
think some people take that, seriously AND i think you
end up in a relationship like, that full of, resentment
(27:12):
and you don't really respect the person you're, with just
because you capitulate to every single thing they, want even
when it's stupid or contrary to your best. INTEREST i
think that any freethinking man who finds himself in that
situation is selling a bit of his. Soul AND i
(27:34):
think there's a cost to be paid for. THAT i really.
Do if you cannot earnestly disagree where you are standing on.
PRINCIPLE i don't mean you had one too many and
you're being, disagreeable or you're being grumpy and, disagreeable or
you're taking your wife for granted when you would never
disagree with your business, partner or your customer or your
(27:56):
golfing buddy over the same. ISSUE i mean where it's
a FUNDAMENTAL i and you are not advocating for yourself
because you've decided that you don't want the. DISAGREEMENT i
don't think that's a healthy. MARRIAGE i also don't think
it's healthy when you can't disagree over how much money
(28:19):
our government should. SPEND i don't think it's. Healthy And
i've said this for. Years if you can't disagree With
Donald trump without him and his entire base hating you
and calling you awful, names when yesterday you Were lord
of the manor your kid is you, know setting up
(28:39):
shop and playing on his, DESK i do not think
this is a healthy way to function as the world's largest,
economy military, power and representative. DEMOCRACY i am not for,
cults no matter who it. IS i am not for a.
KING i am not for one person making decisions that
(29:03):
cannot be, questioned even when those decisions are contrary to
what has been promised before and what we claim we believed.
In you don't have to Take elon's, side BUT i
don't think anybody believes That elon is doing anything other
than what he, truly genuinely believes is the right thing
(29:23):
for this. COUNTRY i find it odd how many people
didn't care For elon or give it a second. Thought
and then he's THE ev. Guy so he's just kind
of his KOOKY ev, guy and he's he's A, democrat
he's got a bunch of, kids he's, weird and he is.
(29:45):
Weird and then he jumps on board The trump. Train
he starts writing the, checks he brings all the The rogan. Bros.
Over he all of a sudden became. EVERYBODY i know
people who Bought tesla's because it Was elon's, company and
(30:06):
they got so carried away with their love Of elon
being so supportive Of trump And trump loving him so
much that they traded in their vehicles and Bought. TESLA'S
i just can't imagine. That what do they do now
now that they're. Feuding do they trade it back in
or do you drive the? Car that? Is it's. Kooky
(30:30):
this the reason nations are prone to. Monarchy is many people,
weak people are prone to worshiping a. Man it's easier
because you don't actually want to have to have a
policy position that you believe in based on the fact
that it'll be good for the. Country it's just easier to.
Worship and then we got our guy and they got their.
(30:52):
GUY i know people who Are trump supporters who are
no different Than Democrat obama. Supporters they support the. Personality
it's it's this cult of personality for. Them they don't
even know what he stands. For they like. Him he's,
strong he's, tough he's he's he's, tough he beat everybody.
Up he's, great he's. Tough, Okay, well what do you
(31:15):
think about The what do you think about the auto
loan deduction in The One Big Beautiful bill and that
the car had the automobile has to be finished is
the term they use in The United states that allows
for dodge and. Show what do you think about? That?
(31:37):
Uh what do you what do you think about That trump?
Provision it's, Good it's. GOOD i was just. Kidding it's
not A trump. Provision he hates. It he took it.
Out it would have required manufacturers in order for the
consumer to qualify that they would have to. Finish oh,
well uh, yeah that's, Yeah And i'm against. It you
(31:59):
don't know what you. Are he was for, it he
got it in the. Bill it's good for the, consumer
it'll be good for, well it's good for the consumer
that does what he, wanted and it'll be good for
companies that finish their. Cars it will increase manufacturing or
assembly in The United. States but if your position as
to whether or not you're for it or against it
(32:21):
is Whatever Donald trump. Is so if he doesn't like fried,
chicken you don't like fried chicken when yesterday it was
your favorite. FOOD i don't think this is, healthy, Folks i'm,
SORRY i. DON'T i don't think it's. HEALTHY i don't
think That Elon musk has to be, destroyed his reputation.
Destroyed when that guy did more than any, one single
(32:43):
person other Than Donald trump to Get Donald trump. Elected
and you're telling me because he disagrees with this piece
of legislation that now he's persona non. Grada he's the.
Devil we're going to send the government after. Him you
hated him all, along and you're selling your. Car we
can't possibly be functioning like. This it can be the
(33:03):
case that you disagree with his. Position you wish he
would Leave trump. Alone you wish he would stop being
naive about. Politics you wish he would understand that you
don't always get what you want out of a big.
Bill all of those are reasonable. Positions you can't tell
me all of a sudden he's a coop and he's
a weirdo and he has babies all over the. World
when that didn't bother you back In, november when he
(33:23):
was stroking checks to get the president. ELECTED i, mean
do we hear? Ourselves AM i gonna be primary? Now
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