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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air. Welcome back to
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the show. Professor Josh Blattin in South Texas College of
Law is Supreme Court expert widely regarded. He came to
my attention some number of years ago as sort of
the foremost expert not just on the workings of the
Supreme Court as an august body or an institution Article
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three of our Constitution, but on what they're likely to
do and why they do it, because they are, after all,
breathing human beings, you know, what are their prejudices and
biases and ideological cool idiosyncrasies. Turns out that he's a
professor in Houston at the South Texas College of Law.
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Professor he is also known as Okay smarty Pants. On
our show, I discovered a fellow I don't know if
you know of him named Corey lu or lou l
I U all Right, adjunct professor at the University of
Texas School of Law and a civil litigation attorney. And
he writes a lot. He's on a war path, and
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it's pretty interesting stuff. He writes a lot about government
overreach in diversity, equity inclusion, and I suspect, because you're
seeing this more and more. He's one of these Asian
Americans who said this government is basically handcuffing Asian Americans
in order to try to help blacks, and it's wrong,
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and he has spoken out against it rather forcefully. But
what came to my attention something that I asked you
about yesterday. And I'll read what he wrote and you
can explain the situation. The Fifth Circuit en Bloc, in
an opinion by Judge Andrew Oldham, holds that the Securities
in Exchange Commission acted unlawfully in approving a NASDAQ policy
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that forces corporate boards to implement an identity based diversity
quota that looks at race, sex, sexual orientation, and gender.
I'll be Professor Blackman, you be student Joshua. I'll call
you mister Blackman because your professor would mister Blackman, Can
you explain to us the facts of this case and
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the importance of it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Sure? The sec the Securities Exchange Commission, regulates financial markets,
and they make you disclose a lot of information at
risks you were by a stock or security. Give all
these pages on page that no one reads. But in
recent years. The sec was under the Biden administration, and
they decide to impose a DEI rule. And the di
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rule likes this that you must disclose the racial, gender,
and sexual sexual characteristics of your directors. And if you
don't have any of these so called minorities, you have
to basically have at least two. So basically imposes an
obligation to have so called diverse directors for a nasset company,
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and you need to have a disclosure of all the
different characteristics of your members. The problem is the government
has no power to do this, right, the securities laws
are passed to prevent fraud and to make sure people
have full information about various securities. It's not meant to
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promote diversity. It's not meant to mandate that board membership
has all these issues. And so the court held here
at the Fifth Circuit Quarter Appeals Health here is that
this is illegal. These diversity rules, these DEI rules, cannot
be square with the nineteen thirty four Securities Act, which
was passed by President Roosevelt and was one hundred years ago.
And this, I think is an important decision that you
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can't use government power to mandate these DEI policies.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Why not They're ruling is you cannot do so? Why not?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So there's this doctrine in the law and justice. Scalia
illustrates it very, very beautifully. He says, government does not
hide elephants and mouseholes. What do you mean by that?
If the government wants something really big, they're gonna tell
us they do something really big. Right. But what happens
here is to take these old statutes, these ninety year
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old statutes, they say, well, we're gonna read this word
like this, or read this word like this and put
all the stuff together. That means we can impose a
dei rule. And really, when these statutes were passed ninety
years ago, no one was thinking about these things. It
was absurd. And with the Court held here in a
sharply divided votes nine to eight, it's a very sharp
we divided to vote that the statute that authorizes the
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sec to sort of approve these rules goes not far
enough to support the diversity mandate.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Do you see this across the country as a trend
in jurisprudence or is this just a moment where the
Trump judges, where the cases are finally making their way
through the labyrinth of you know, the district court, and
then now we're at the appellate level and the Trump
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bench is flexing its muscles.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. So
on the one hand, in recent years, the Supreme Course
and very skeptical of taking these old statutes and reimagining
them to accomplish these modern goals. That's been clear from
the Court. But also the the Circuit I think is
kind of the cutting edge of American jurisprudence. The Supreme
Course is prep the left of the Fifth Circuit. Here
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we have in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, which is okay. I
think you see here judges who are taking the Ministry
of State very seriously, the take separation powers very seriously.
And look, even though Michael is nine to eight, right,
a lot of the you know, w Bush appointees don't
vote like the Trump appointees. That's that's just the fact
of the matter. And I think we're really seeing sort
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of the sort of manifestation of what the current originalist
movement is leading to, where you take these decisions that
I think are pretty strong. This case will almost certainly
go to the US Supreme Court, almost certainly, and we'll
see the Supreme Court agrees. I think there's a good
chance to affirm this one.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Interesting when you let's take a step back and look
at the judiciary, I mean, we get a little bit
of the Supreme Court analysis, not to the level that
you would provide, but when you look at the district
courts across the country and then of course just the
Fifth Circuit. You know, our appellate courts all the way
up at the federal court level. Where do you see
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our courts today on issues like that? And of course
we're about to enter the four more years of Donald
Trump and one thing he was very good at in
his first term was stacking the judiciary with good judges.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right, no question, Michael Trump's fingerprints on the courts is
one of the greatest accomplishments we've had in generations. I mean,
maybe not since Reagan has any president that much of
the impact in the courts. Carter. Carter's weird one. For
whatever reason. In this nineteen seventies, they created all these
new judgeps which Carter filled taking those only one term president.
But that's another story. But Trump had a huge impact.
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And let me say differently, there was a study done
recently about which judges are getting excited the most, that is,
which judges are being recognized by other judges, And almost
every name of the list of Trump appointee, almost everyone.
The Biden judges have had almost pure impact on anything.
If you asked me to name ten appell at Biden judges,
I couldn't do it. I just don't know who they are.
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They've had a lot of impacts on anything.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They're absolute lightweights.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I just I just don't know them. I make a
name a couple in the Fifth Circuit, maybe a few
in the sixth Circuit, and maybe a few others, but
I don't think can name ten of them. But if
you want me to name ten Trump appointees and the
Fifth Circa, I can probably do that. It's it's it's
an impact, and I think we're gonna see more of
the same. Just this slight coby. It is. When Trump
came into office the first time, there were a lot
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of vacancies because Republicans blocked a lot of the Obama nominations,
so there were many vacancy the outset. Trump will have
far fewer vacancies when he starts next month. Coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, Okay, okay, mister smarty fans professor Josh Blackman in
the South Texas College Law as our guest coming up
the Michael Berry Show. Someone, what does this have to
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do with Jars? Blackman? Oh? Supremes very clever? Wow. Oh
that took me a second. No. Usually before I go
on the air, I try to figure out why he's
played the music. There's always something behind it. The Supremes, Yes,
well done. So I got a nice email from a
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sweet lady named Darlene Jellinek and it says, good mornings.
Are you once mentioned a show sponsor that collects vintage
small outdoor motors. Well, I'm now a widow and I'm
preparing to downsize. I have a small Evan Rude that's
been in the attic for decades. I suspect it's from
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the sixties, but I'm not really sure. I don't want
to discard it, but I would like to see it
go to someone local who will appreciate it. It sounds
like that's your friend. Will you please let me know
his name? Thanks, Darlene Jelinette. She's in Sugar and she
gives her address and I'm gonna give that out. So
that's my friend Skip Hartley, who owns Thunderbolt Motors and Transmissions.
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And if you walk into Skip's office, he's got hanging
on the wall, he's got all sorts of old Mercury
Evan Rude Johnson motors, I mean old old motors, and
it's that's that's he just loves them and he loves
everything about him and I you know, it's funny because
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that's one of those. Emily came in yesterday, my assistant,
and her town home has the old new tone appliances,
including the hole in the middle of the counter where
you can put the blender and the knife sharpener and
you know, all that that sort of stuff, and she
doesn't have the the blender that goes on there. So
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she went onto eBay and it was something like six
hundred dollars for this piece of plastic. I mean it's
not it's not it's not worth that. It's worth what
somebody will pay for it, as you know. But it
was just this idea that there are people out there
who appreciate old things, and I love and appreciate old things.
So Josh Blackman, what would be your thing that you
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know it's it may not have any value to anybody else,
like an old Coca Cola brand product or RC Cola,
or you know Oliver Wendell Holmes personal pin set, what
would be or Lewis brandit's Lewis Brandie's socks that need disinfectant,
or I don't know, Justice Cardozo's shoe strings. What would
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be that thing for you?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I got one cool thing. It was a plate, a
little plastic plate with the ABC's that I used when
I was a kid, and now my daughter uses the
same plate and out of that, that's just it's kind
of cool for me, of course it's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I have a bowl, a green bowl that has two
eyeballs stuck onto it, and it has yellow feet under
the bottom of it, and it's the bowl. It's a
silly little bowl. It was cheap. It was at kmart
and it has a mug that goes with it. And
my mother had taken me to town. It was shopping
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day and my birthday's November tenth, so it must been
right around that time. And her best friend was Billy Tucker,
and Billy's mother was Peg, who I called Aunt Peg,
and so it was the four of us. My mom,
her best friend, her best friend's mother and me and
we went to Kmart and I wasn't allowed to go in,
which was weird. And today I would just leave the
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car running so we could have air conditioning. Back then,
you didn't do that. So I sat out in this
hot car and Aunt Peg came out with a white
plastic bag and she sat down saying, she's Michael, don't
touch this, okay, please don't touch it, like it was radioactive.
And we went to the next door and went to
the next door, and my curiosity got the better of
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men opened it up and it was that little mug
in that little bowl, and later it was I realized
it was for my birthday. And they didn't have a
rapping department at the time. So my mom, when my
oldest son, Michael T came home, my mom said, Michael,
you probably don't want this, but I've kept it. Do
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you remember this? You got it for Christmas? And I
said no, I didn't get it for Christmas. Aunt Peg
got it for I mean I sat out in the
car and she went in and bought it while I
was there at the k martin Orange on sixteenth, I
mean on MacArthur, And she said, wow, you're right how
do you remember that? It's just kind of one of
those weird things. So I'm sure that every time you
see that it makes you happy. M Where did you go, ye?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Generation I no, no. I grew up in Stonel in
New York and where Staten Isle in.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
New York was Staten Island. Oh wow, okay, interesting. So
I want I want to say this before you answered
the question, for anybody who's interested in sitting and observing
Professor Blackman's course number one. I'm not going to respond
to the individual emails, It'll be too many. It will
be posted on our blast that will go out when
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we get off the air this morning. So go to
Michael Berryshow dot com and subscribe. You can unsubscribe tomorrow
if you want. But that's how we're going to push
out this information. And I will post it to my
Facebook page. I have a new page and only has
about eight thousand followers because the one that had three
hundred and fifty thousand they shut down an election time
and I'm tired of screwing with it, so we started
all over. It has a picture of me and our logo.
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So those are the two places you can get the information.
The third thing is It is unheard of that a
professor would be willing to take on the hassle of
saying to the general public, yeah, you can go through
because you've got to register with the law school. You
got to go through as a visitor and put the
notes in there, and I'll explain all that the way
he explained it, and you can come and sit in
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my class. This is unheard of that he would do that,
So thank you for that. You're kind of the people's
So is this your idea to democratize legal education.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's twofold, so it's partly selfish. First off, I love
where I teach. I love South Texas College of Law School.
I'm very proud of and I want more people to
know about it. Maybe people don't know about it. I
want them to know that. But also I believe in
teaching as many people as I can. That's why I
go on your radio show. That's why I do TV.
Does I put on my lectures on YouTube. I do
this to spread information. We have a serious gap in
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civic education in this country, a serious gap, and whatever
I can do to improve this I think helps the
republic strengthen in every way.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Interesting, do you have visitors come to your class now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We do. I mean, just the way I think this
should work is if you're interested in law school, if
you're thinking about law school, it's something that might be
in your near term future, even long term future, let's
come by. I think basically a very useful way for
people sort of see it cheing constitutional law. This spring
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up came up on Mondays and Wednesdays in the morning,
so it won't work for everyone. People have jobs, I
get it right. It's understood. If your kids interested, if
your kids in college now he's on break or something,
this could be a good way to sort of learn
about what a law school classroom is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've had actually many of your listeners over the years,
So just email me at the Blue I said, hey,
I saw you heard you and Michael Berry. You know
I'm interested in law school. Take them by. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
And I sort of put together with the admissions office
and they sort of put it together and they come
on by it. Talked to them a few minutes, and
so it's interesting. I've had students who came to South
Texas because of this show and they've heard in the
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show like that that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, probably our most we've had some superstars, probably our
most superstar intern we've ever had Scarborough, who you know
as what's Scarborough's.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
An jose Atti, Yeah, yes, Addie. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
We want her to stick to the name she started
school with, which was Scarborough, because we think it sounds
cool and we like last names for first for girls.
Adele yeah, Adele yeah, or audience. He does as you know,
is now with your great assistance clerking for Judge Hoe.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Right she well in a couple of years. Yeah, she's
clerking first for Judge Tipton here in Houston.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Then you can spend a year with the Texas at
Cheese Office, Social General Office, and then she'll go for
a year with Judge Hoe. So it's it's you know,
we have some some brilliant kid in South Texas getting
some really really high high power positions. I'm very proud
of my students.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, we are very proud. I see her mother, Jeanette
via ray All, because she's a regular at the she's
a lawyer herself at the Carabas on Voss And sometimes
if I'm in there and I see her, I always
I always get my update and she always always brags
on you and and you taking great pains to help
her daughter. Professor, It's always a pleasure. I hope your
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bride and and kiddos are doing well. You're welcome back anytime,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That will be host to the Facebook page by the
time we get off at eleven, and it will be
posted on our blast which is free for you to get.
We send it out daily in between the two shows,
and it'll be the link you go to and what
you need to do to go sit through law school class,
whether you intend to go to law school or just
I'm a big believer. I mean, I'd like to go
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see the Marine Corps, you know, for for one day,
just to watch what they do. Cool. Well, something must
be right. You're listening to Michael Berry. Oh god, there's
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a guy named Seko Woods. Saiko, I assume it's Sako,
might be psycho, which should be cool. And he is
h He sent me a message and he had written
a piece about how the hazel Wood Act should extend
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toward disabled veterans. It was basically an advocacy for disabled veterans,
and that he wanted me to read this thing that
he'd written, so he sends it. I went and looked
him up and said, and so he has sent me
a DM by Twitter. And I hate dms because then
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it's just one more place you have to check messages.
So I tell people, don't send me messages there, don't
text me, email me emails easy. So I went there
and I looked at his profile and it said that
he lives in Cyprus and black guy. He looks like
he might, you know, kind of be like Huggy beary
star skinned Hutch. You know, when I when I look
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at my white guy profiles, you know, there's like there's
Uncle j I mean Uncle Jesse, There's you know, there's
a couple of white profiles, and you're kind of one
of those five. You know, Japanese is narrowed down quite
a bit. Hispanic. You know, you're, you know, either this
guy or this guy. So Huggi Bear is a common one,
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especially for in glasses and kind of lean anyway, So
he said, can I get your email address? And I
responded back, are we going to fight? And he said, no, no,
not each other. I'm interested in disabled veteran issues. And
I looked him up and I saw that he lived
in Cypress, and I said, we can start a fight
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club out there called Cypress Kill Gang. And I don't
I don't think he got the Cypress. He'll yeah, technically
Cypress Hill wasn't Cypress Hill Gang. That's sugar Hill Gang.
But I thought that was very clever and I was
disappointed he didn't get it. So so that happened. There
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was on college game day last week or the week before.
With Army having such a great season in the Black Nights,
I guess at this point were undefeated. They did his
story about this coach at Army named Sean Saturno and
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his brother Joe. His brother Joe has Down syndrome, and
it is an absolute tearjerk, especially if you've spent any
time around a person with Down syndrome, retardation, anything like this.
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And so I don't discuss it very much. But my
mother's sister, Gail, lived with my grandmother my entire life,
and when my grandmother passed, she moved in with my
parents and this went on. This went on for quite
a few years, and my dad's health began to fail.
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So they got a little like a Chrysler minivan or
whatever that had been owned by somebody that had a
disabled person in it, so they could haul her around.
And my dad at the time, at probably seventy five,
would be getting out of the thing and I'd pull
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up or you know, they'd come visit us, and Gale
would be with them and he'd pop the back and
he'd be back there in the back. And none of
it was mechanized. So here's my dad at seventy five
in and out of the hospital and he's pulling this
wheelchair out of the back and I said, Mom, we
cannot do this anymore. We cannot. I understand your commitment
to your sister, we cannot do this. So Orange doesn't
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have a lot of facilities, but there is a little,
low budget, decent and actually better than decent place that
people can My grandmother when she was one hundred pasted there.
I have an aunt who's there now, so it's a
nice place. It's very safe, the staff cares. So we
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moved her into there and my mom would go see
her every day, and she was so worried that my
Aunt Gail was very severely mentally and physically retarded, that
Aunt Gail would pine for her sister, my mother, and
that she would be so sad in this facility. Let's
just say that didn't happen. Aunt Gail loves being in
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this home. So my mom would get up there every
day and go over there and sit during the day
with her, never missed. And it was just kind of
funny because Gail, who had only ever lived at home,
she'd never been out in public, had never socialized or anything.
She became the bell of the ball, the wheel her
down to the lunch and everybody would come over because
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she's so positive. She always has a smile, and she
has a Rainman type knowledge of classic country musicians. So
I have to go by there so she can say, Michael,
I walk in the door before I hug her, Michael,
did you see that Dolly parton? She's thinking about cutting
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another album? And no, Gail, I didn't because I hadn't
read every you know thing like them. So they did
this thing on Uncle Joe. So Sean Saturno and his
brother who has Down syndrome, and they're walking across the
campus and he's got his army and they go for
a walk every day and he has become Uncle Joe
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to these cadets. Well, come to find out, it's just
at least once a year, you find out something about Chad, like,
you know, he and Bill Clinton were best friends in
high school or something. It turns out that Chad knew
Uncle Joe or Joey as he was at the time
because he's Chad's age. He lived next door to Chad's
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cousin and they were altar boys together. And he said
his brother, who was profiled there, Sean Saturno was an
absolute stud running back at our high school, Helo High School.
He was a little bit older than us, but we
would all go and watch him play. And now he's
coach at Army and the whole story that goes with it.
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I just thought it was it was interesting. And have
a friend named Lisa Marino her and her husband Steve.
If you have a person like God places people in
the world to care for people like this, But people
like this, I mean, they just they take over your life.
You can't just get so emotionally invested in them.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
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Speaker 1 (25:39):
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And knock, butniture seems Mormer money did it steaming in
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Speaker 1 (26:21):
And tall parting the Great Charlie Prize out on this
day four years ago, eighty six years old, I aver
known nothing and I tried a new restaurant last night.
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It was Memorial in between the Beltway and Highway six. Well,
I don't know that area very well. Remember whe Ann's
Fine Gifts used to be. So did I tell the
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story on their or just posted on Facebook about the
charcuterie board. I didn't tell it on there. Okay. So
two days ago we were celebrating with a friend of
ours that they were getting a new house and they
had asked us to come by. We were the first
ones that going to see the new house, and my
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wife said, why don't we see if Emily can get
a charcuterie board, and I'll bring a glass of champagne.
We're not champagne drinkers, but we always keep champagne in
case there's something to celebrate, and so so we don't
have much time to do this, so it's mid afternoon,
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and so I said, hey, Emily, you think you can
grab a charcuterie board short notice? You may not be
able to. And of course we could have Federal Maria
Grill do one, or Carabas or I'm sure Russell Leabar
could probably pull one out of the trunk of his car.
I mean, it just makes stuff happen, right, I don't
think Big City Wings could do a charcooterie board, but
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you know what, I don't know that don't sell sam
short so anyway, but we're short on time. We need
it almost immediately. And Emily was running an errand for
me out on Memorial near I guess that's called Memorial Green.
Jonathan's rubb is out there, and maybe she was town
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in Countries somewhere around there. And she said, yeah, there's
this little wine bar that popped open, and let me
see if they can do one. So she goes in
and there's some guy working there, and you don't know
if he's the cook or the chef or you know,
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the beer delivery guy, bald guy. And when a white
man is you never really know how old he is. Right,
Chris Baker could have been sixty or he could have
been twenty four. You don't know when a white guy
shaves their head, You don't know how old they are,
and especially if they shave it clean and you don't
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see where the hair was, you know, supposed to come
in on the sides. You really just don't know. So anyway,
some guy who's you know, what's he doing there? Is
he a delivery guy? We don't know? And she says,
and the restaurant's empty, it's early, it's probably right after
the lunch rush. It's early, too early for dinner and
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too late for lunch. And she says, I'm sorry, Is
there any way y'all can make me a charcuterie board?
And he said, absolutely not. We got a party coming
up in an hour and I'm getting ready for it.
And so clearly he's probably waited or whatever. He works there,
and we're short staff, and I'm sorry. They're not a
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full service restauran. They're more kind of paninis and salads
and wine maar. And she said, oh, it's a celebration.
It's these people are they's can first time walk into
their house. And she doesn't lay it on him thick,
but she passive aggressively puts it on him like, okay,
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ruin this occasion for these people, without without the you
know plea, can you please do it? It's very according
to her. She she she has learned from me very well,
because if you put that on somebody, they're gonna say no,
just as a you know principle. But if you kind
of okay, well I'll leave. I guess Michael just died
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in the hospital without having his one last wish of
you know, a nice persudo. Wait what, that's no big deal.
Max just in the hospital he might die, and he
just said before he died, he just wanted one bite
of persudo. Mattress Mac, I'll do it right. So it's
she didn't do that, but it was. It was in
that vein. So this guy said, look, we're not really
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set up for this, and I just pulled in. I
need thirty minutes and she said, well great, because I
got some air insta run. How about I leave and
come back. He said that'd be great. So she said, well,
they got an event tonight. Somebody's popping in because the
head of our company, Premiere, turns out coming into town
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and so we needed a charcuterie board for that. So
they're gonna do one, mother too right, and you're gonna
do you could do none or two right. Two's not
twice as much as one. It's a question of are
you gonna start getting all this stuff out? You know
it's ten thirty one and you still want breakfast. They
could make breakfast. It's just gonna mess the grille up, right,
So if you're gonna do one, do two. And the
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dude was like, that's fine, okay, So she comes back
in thirty minutes, simple but beautiful Charcuteri board. You saw
it well done. All the things I needed without, all
the things I didn't need, and the things I don't
need is I don't need things that are gonna get sticky.
I don't need. My wife likes all that, the gems
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and jellies and huh, there was honey. And I will
tell you if they don't put honey, I'm okay. And
some of them put honeycomb, and I don't. I'm I
don't understand. I'm not a honeycomb kid. I don't. I
don't need that, and it gets sticky. I don't. I
don't do anything that gets sticky. And we're not gonna
do But anyway, it was delicious. It had it had pickles.
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Those pickles were very good. It had uh, really sharp
mustard that's a nice touch, very nice and nice French mustard.
And then it had your basic cheeses. You know, I
don't know what's happened when I don't like breathe like
I used to. I don't know what I used to
love breath. He had some some little cruit, little hard Christina,
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and some presciudos and some just basic, straight up pepperonis
and it was perfectly done. And he said, I only
have these two charcuterie boards, so I'm giving them to you,
but I'm trusting you to bring them back. So she
tells me his whole story. And I thought, the place
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is called vin Santo red uh oh red wine wine
read and it's out west and I just his name
is Ricardo, although it's ri c C. I don't know
if that's pronounced Richardo Gureri. He's the owner. It's him
and his wife. I think they live in the back.
It's just great. He's a take. I had to stick
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Italian accent exactly like you want. That's not where we
had dinner last night. I just wanted to brag on
that plate, that place is called Vin Santo
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air. Welcome back to
(00:25):
the show. Professor Josh Blattin in South Texas College of
Law is Supreme Court expert widely regarded. He came to
my attention some number of years ago as sort of
the foremost expert not just on the workings of the
Supreme Court as an august body or an institution Article
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three of our Constitution, but on what they're likely to
do and why they do it, because they are, after all,
breathing human beings, you know, what are their prejudices and
biases and ideological cool idiosyncrasies. Turns out that he's a
professor in Houston at the South Texas College of Law.
(01:08):
Professor he is also known as Okay smarty Pants. On
our show, I discovered a fellow I don't know if
you know of him named Corey lu or lou l
I U all Right, adjunct professor at the University of
Texas School of Law and a civil litigation attorney. And
he writes a lot. He's on a war path, and
(01:30):
it's pretty interesting stuff. He writes a lot about government
overreach in diversity, equity inclusion, and I suspect, because you're
seeing this more and more. He's one of these Asian
Americans who said this government is basically handcuffing Asian Americans
in order to try to help blacks, and it's wrong,
(01:52):
and he has spoken out against it rather forcefully. But
what came to my attention something that I asked you
about yesterday. And I'll read what he wrote and you
can explain the situation. The Fifth Circuit en Bloc, in
an opinion by Judge Andrew Oldham, holds that the Securities
in Exchange Commission acted unlawfully in approving a NASDAQ policy
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that forces corporate boards to implement an identity based diversity
quota that looks at race, sex, sexual orientation, and gender.
I'll be Professor Blackman, you be student Joshua. I'll call
you mister Blackman because your professor would mister Blackman, Can
you explain to us the facts of this case and
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the importance of it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Sure? The sec the Securities Exchange Commission, regulates financial markets,
and they make you disclose a lot of information at
risks you were by a stock or security. Give all
these pages on page that no one reads. But in
recent years. The sec was under the Biden administration, and
they decide to impose a DEI rule. And the di
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rule likes this that you must disclose the racial, gender,
and sexual sexual characteristics of your directors. And if you
don't have any of these so called minorities, you have
to basically have at least two. So basically imposes an
obligation to have so called diverse directors for a nasset company,
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and you need to have a disclosure of all the
different characteristics of your members. The problem is the government
has no power to do this, right, the securities laws
are passed to prevent fraud and to make sure people
have full information about various securities. It's not meant to
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promote diversity. It's not meant to mandate that board membership
has all these issues. And so the court held here
at the Fifth Circuit Quarter Appeals Health here is that
this is illegal. These diversity rules, these DEI rules, cannot
be square with the nineteen thirty four Securities Act, which
was passed by President Roosevelt and was one hundred years ago.
And this, I think is an important decision that you
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can't use government power to mandate these DEI policies.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Why not They're ruling is you cannot do so? Why not?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So there's this doctrine in the law and justice. Scalia
illustrates it very, very beautifully. He says, government does not
hide elephants and mouseholes. What do you mean by that?
If the government wants something really big, they're gonna tell
us they do something really big. Right. But what happens
here is to take these old statutes, these ninety year
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old statutes, they say, well, we're gonna read this word
like this, or read this word like this and put
all the stuff together. That means we can impose a
dei rule. And really, when these statutes were passed ninety
years ago, no one was thinking about these things. It
was absurd. And with the Court held here in a
sharply divided votes nine to eight, it's a very sharp
we divided to vote that the statute that authorizes the
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sec to sort of approve these rules goes not far
enough to support the diversity mandate.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Do you see this across the country as a trend
in jurisprudence or is this just a moment where the
Trump judges, where the cases are finally making their way
through the labyrinth of you know, the district court, and
then now we're at the appellate level and the Trump
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bench is flexing its muscles.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. So
on the one hand, in recent years, the Supreme Course
and very skeptical of taking these old statutes and reimagining
them to accomplish these modern goals. That's been clear from
the Court. But also the the Circuit I think is
kind of the cutting edge of American jurisprudence. The Supreme
Course is prep the left of the Fifth Circuit. Here
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we have in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, which is okay. I
think you see here judges who are taking the Ministry
of State very seriously, the take separation powers very seriously.
And look, even though Michael is nine to eight, right,
a lot of the you know, w Bush appointees don't
vote like the Trump appointees. That's that's just the fact
of the matter. And I think we're really seeing sort
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of the sort of manifestation of what the current originalist
movement is leading to, where you take these decisions that
I think are pretty strong. This case will almost certainly
go to the US Supreme Court, almost certainly, and we'll
see the Supreme Court agrees. I think there's a good
chance to affirm this one.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Interesting when you let's take a step back and look
at the judiciary, I mean, we get a little bit
of the Supreme Court analysis, not to the level that
you would provide, but when you look at the district
courts across the country and then of course just the
Fifth Circuit. You know, our appellate courts all the way
up at the federal court level. Where do you see
(07:07):
our courts today on issues like that? And of course
we're about to enter the four more years of Donald
Trump and one thing he was very good at in
his first term was stacking the judiciary with good judges.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right, no question, Michael Trump's fingerprints on the courts is
one of the greatest accomplishments we've had in generations. I mean,
maybe not since Reagan has any president that much of
the impact in the courts. Carter. Carter's weird one. For
whatever reason. In this nineteen seventies, they created all these
new judgeps which Carter filled taking those only one term president.
But that's another story. But Trump had a huge impact.
(07:47):
And let me say differently, there was a study done
recently about which judges are getting excited the most, that is,
which judges are being recognized by other judges, And almost
every name of the list of Trump appointee, almost everyone.
The Biden judges have had almost pure impact on anything.
If you asked me to name ten appell at Biden judges,
I couldn't do it. I just don't know who they are.
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They've had a lot of impacts on anything.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They're absolute lightweights.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I just I just don't know them. I make a
name a couple in the Fifth Circuit, maybe a few
in the sixth Circuit, and maybe a few others, but
I don't think can name ten of them. But if
you want me to name ten Trump appointees and the
Fifth Circa, I can probably do that. It's it's it's
an impact, and I think we're gonna see more of
the same. Just this slight coby. It is. When Trump
came into office the first time, there were a lot
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of vacancies because Republicans blocked a lot of the Obama nominations,
so there were many vacancy the outset. Trump will have
far fewer vacancies when he starts next month. Coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, Okay, okay, mister smarty fans professor Josh Blackman in
the South Texas College Law as our guest coming up
the Michael Berry Show. Someone, what does this have to
(09:05):
do with Jars? Blackman? Oh? Supremes very clever? Wow. Oh
that took me a second. No. Usually before I go
on the air, I try to figure out why he's
played the music. There's always something behind it. The Supremes, Yes,
well done. So I got a nice email from a
(09:27):
sweet lady named Darlene Jellinek and it says, good mornings.
Are you once mentioned a show sponsor that collects vintage
small outdoor motors. Well, I'm now a widow and I'm
preparing to downsize. I have a small Evan Rude that's
been in the attic for decades. I suspect it's from
(09:49):
the sixties, but I'm not really sure. I don't want
to discard it, but I would like to see it
go to someone local who will appreciate it. It sounds
like that's your friend. Will you please let me know
his name? Thanks, Darlene Jelinette. She's in Sugar and she
gives her address and I'm gonna give that out. So
that's my friend Skip Hartley, who owns Thunderbolt Motors and Transmissions.
(10:11):
And if you walk into Skip's office, he's got hanging
on the wall, he's got all sorts of old Mercury
Evan Rude Johnson motors, I mean old old motors, and
it's that's that's he just loves them and he loves
everything about him and I you know, it's funny because
(10:35):
that's one of those. Emily came in yesterday, my assistant,
and her town home has the old new tone appliances,
including the hole in the middle of the counter where
you can put the blender and the knife sharpener and
you know, all that that sort of stuff, and she
doesn't have the the blender that goes on there. So
(10:58):
she went onto eBay and it was something like six
hundred dollars for this piece of plastic. I mean it's
not it's not it's not worth that. It's worth what
somebody will pay for it, as you know. But it
was just this idea that there are people out there
who appreciate old things, and I love and appreciate old things.
So Josh Blackman, what would be your thing that you
(11:21):
know it's it may not have any value to anybody else,
like an old Coca Cola brand product or RC Cola,
or you know Oliver Wendell Holmes personal pin set, what
would be or Lewis brandit's Lewis Brandie's socks that need disinfectant,
or I don't know, Justice Cardozo's shoe strings. What would
(11:41):
be that thing for you?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I got one cool thing. It was a plate, a
little plastic plate with the ABC's that I used when
I was a kid, and now my daughter uses the
same plate and out of that, that's just it's kind
of cool for me, of course it's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I have a bowl, a green bowl that has two
eyeballs stuck onto it, and it has yellow feet under
the bottom of it, and it's the bowl. It's a
silly little bowl. It was cheap. It was at kmart
and it has a mug that goes with it. And
my mother had taken me to town. It was shopping
(12:17):
day and my birthday's November tenth, so it must been
right around that time. And her best friend was Billy Tucker,
and Billy's mother was Peg, who I called Aunt Peg,
and so it was the four of us. My mom,
her best friend, her best friend's mother and me and
we went to Kmart and I wasn't allowed to go in,
which was weird. And today I would just leave the
(12:39):
car running so we could have air conditioning. Back then,
you didn't do that. So I sat out in this
hot car and Aunt Peg came out with a white
plastic bag and she sat down saying, she's Michael, don't
touch this, okay, please don't touch it, like it was radioactive.
And we went to the next door and went to
the next door, and my curiosity got the better of
(12:59):
men opened it up and it was that little mug
in that little bowl, and later it was I realized
it was for my birthday. And they didn't have a
rapping department at the time. So my mom, when my
oldest son, Michael T came home, my mom said, Michael,
you probably don't want this, but I've kept it. Do
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you remember this? You got it for Christmas? And I
said no, I didn't get it for Christmas. Aunt Peg
got it for I mean I sat out in the
car and she went in and bought it while I
was there at the k martin Orange on sixteenth, I
mean on MacArthur, And she said, wow, you're right how
do you remember that? It's just kind of one of
those weird things. So I'm sure that every time you
see that it makes you happy. M Where did you go, ye?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Generation I no, no. I grew up in Stonel in
New York and where Staten Isle in.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
New York was Staten Island. Oh wow, okay, interesting. So
I want I want to say this before you answered
the question, for anybody who's interested in sitting and observing
Professor Blackman's course number one. I'm not going to respond
to the individual emails, It'll be too many. It will
be posted on our blast that will go out when
(14:13):
we get off the air this morning. So go to
Michael Berryshow dot com and subscribe. You can unsubscribe tomorrow
if you want. But that's how we're going to push
out this information. And I will post it to my
Facebook page. I have a new page and only has
about eight thousand followers because the one that had three
hundred and fifty thousand they shut down an election time
and I'm tired of screwing with it, so we started
all over. It has a picture of me and our logo.
(14:33):
So those are the two places you can get the information.
The third thing is It is unheard of that a
professor would be willing to take on the hassle of
saying to the general public, yeah, you can go through
because you've got to register with the law school. You
got to go through as a visitor and put the
notes in there, and I'll explain all that the way
he explained it, and you can come and sit in
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my class. This is unheard of that he would do that,
So thank you for that. You're kind of the people's
So is this your idea to democratize legal education.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's twofold, so it's partly selfish. First off, I love
where I teach. I love South Texas College of Law School.
I'm very proud of and I want more people to
know about it. Maybe people don't know about it. I
want them to know that. But also I believe in
teaching as many people as I can. That's why I
go on your radio show. That's why I do TV.
Does I put on my lectures on YouTube. I do
this to spread information. We have a serious gap in
(15:27):
civic education in this country, a serious gap, and whatever
I can do to improve this I think helps the
republic strengthen in every way.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Interesting, do you have visitors come to your class now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We do. I mean, just the way I think this
should work is if you're interested in law school, if
you're thinking about law school, it's something that might be
in your near term future, even long term future, let's
come by. I think basically a very useful way for
people sort of see it cheing constitutional law. This spring
(16:02):
up came up on Mondays and Wednesdays in the morning,
so it won't work for everyone. People have jobs, I
get it right. It's understood. If your kids interested, if
your kids in college now he's on break or something,
this could be a good way to sort of learn
about what a law school classroom is.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've had actually many of your listeners over the years,
So just email me at the Blue I said, hey,
I saw you heard you and Michael Berry. You know
I'm interested in law school. Take them by. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
And I sort of put together with the admissions office
and they sort of put it together and they come
on by it. Talked to them a few minutes, and
so it's interesting. I've had students who came to South
Texas because of this show and they've heard in the
(16:38):
show like that that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, probably our most we've had some superstars, probably our
most superstar intern we've ever had Scarborough, who you know
as what's Scarborough's.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
An jose Atti, Yeah, yes, Addie. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
We want her to stick to the name she started
school with, which was Scarborough, because we think it sounds
cool and we like last names for first for girls.
Adele yeah, Adele yeah, or audience. He does as you know,
is now with your great assistance clerking for Judge Hoe.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Right she well in a couple of years. Yeah, she's
clerking first for Judge Tipton here in Houston.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Then you can spend a year with the Texas at
Cheese Office, Social General Office, and then she'll go for
a year with Judge Hoe. So it's it's you know,
we have some some brilliant kid in South Texas getting
some really really high high power positions. I'm very proud
of my students.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, we are very proud. I see her mother, Jeanette
via ray All, because she's a regular at the she's
a lawyer herself at the Carabas on Voss And sometimes
if I'm in there and I see her, I always
I always get my update and she always always brags
on you and and you taking great pains to help
her daughter. Professor, It's always a pleasure. I hope your
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bride and and kiddos are doing well. You're welcome back anytime,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That will be host to the Facebook page by the
time we get off at eleven, and it will be
posted on our blast which is free for you to get.
We send it out daily in between the two shows,
and it'll be the link you go to and what
you need to do to go sit through law school class,
whether you intend to go to law school or just
I'm a big believer. I mean, I'd like to go
(18:21):
see the Marine Corps, you know, for for one day,
just to watch what they do. Cool. Well, something must
be right. You're listening to Michael Berry. Oh god, there's
(18:42):
a guy named Seko Woods. Saiko, I assume it's Sako,
might be psycho, which should be cool. And he is
h He sent me a message and he had written
a piece about how the hazel Wood Act should extend
(19:03):
toward disabled veterans. It was basically an advocacy for disabled veterans,
and that he wanted me to read this thing that
he'd written, so he sends it. I went and looked
him up and said, and so he has sent me
a DM by Twitter. And I hate dms because then
(19:23):
it's just one more place you have to check messages.
So I tell people, don't send me messages there, don't
text me, email me emails easy. So I went there
and I looked at his profile and it said that
he lives in Cyprus and black guy. He looks like
he might, you know, kind of be like Huggy beary
star skinned Hutch. You know, when I when I look
(19:44):
at my white guy profiles, you know, there's like there's
Uncle j I mean Uncle Jesse, There's you know, there's
a couple of white profiles, and you're kind of one
of those five. You know, Japanese is narrowed down quite
a bit. Hispanic. You know, you're, you know, either this
guy or this guy. So Huggi Bear is a common one,
(20:07):
especially for in glasses and kind of lean anyway, So
he said, can I get your email address? And I
responded back, are we going to fight? And he said, no, no,
not each other. I'm interested in disabled veteran issues. And
I looked him up and I saw that he lived
in Cypress, and I said, we can start a fight
(20:31):
club out there called Cypress Kill Gang. And I don't
I don't think he got the Cypress. He'll yeah, technically
Cypress Hill wasn't Cypress Hill Gang. That's sugar Hill Gang.
But I thought that was very clever and I was
disappointed he didn't get it. So so that happened. There
(20:55):
was on college game day last week or the week before.
With Army having such a great season in the Black Nights,
I guess at this point were undefeated. They did his
story about this coach at Army named Sean Saturno and
(21:18):
his brother Joe. His brother Joe has Down syndrome, and
it is an absolute tearjerk, especially if you've spent any
time around a person with Down syndrome, retardation, anything like this.
(21:38):
And so I don't discuss it very much. But my
mother's sister, Gail, lived with my grandmother my entire life,
and when my grandmother passed, she moved in with my
parents and this went on. This went on for quite
a few years, and my dad's health began to fail.
(21:59):
So they got a little like a Chrysler minivan or
whatever that had been owned by somebody that had a
disabled person in it, so they could haul her around.
And my dad at the time, at probably seventy five,
would be getting out of the thing and I'd pull
(22:20):
up or you know, they'd come visit us, and Gale
would be with them and he'd pop the back and
he'd be back there in the back. And none of
it was mechanized. So here's my dad at seventy five
in and out of the hospital and he's pulling this
wheelchair out of the back and I said, Mom, we
cannot do this anymore. We cannot. I understand your commitment
to your sister, we cannot do this. So Orange doesn't
(22:43):
have a lot of facilities, but there is a little,
low budget, decent and actually better than decent place that
people can My grandmother when she was one hundred pasted there.
I have an aunt who's there now, so it's a
nice place. It's very safe, the staff cares. So we
(23:04):
moved her into there and my mom would go see
her every day, and she was so worried that my
Aunt Gail was very severely mentally and physically retarded, that
Aunt Gail would pine for her sister, my mother, and
that she would be so sad in this facility. Let's
just say that didn't happen. Aunt Gail loves being in
(23:28):
this home. So my mom would get up there every
day and go over there and sit during the day
with her, never missed. And it was just kind of
funny because Gail, who had only ever lived at home,
she'd never been out in public, had never socialized or anything.
She became the bell of the ball, the wheel her
down to the lunch and everybody would come over because
(23:48):
she's so positive. She always has a smile, and she
has a Rainman type knowledge of classic country musicians. So
I have to go by there so she can say, Michael,
I walk in the door before I hug her, Michael,
did you see that Dolly parton? She's thinking about cutting
(24:08):
another album? And no, Gail, I didn't because I hadn't
read every you know thing like them. So they did
this thing on Uncle Joe. So Sean Saturno and his
brother who has Down syndrome, and they're walking across the
campus and he's got his army and they go for
a walk every day and he has become Uncle Joe
(24:32):
to these cadets. Well, come to find out, it's just
at least once a year, you find out something about Chad, like,
you know, he and Bill Clinton were best friends in
high school or something. It turns out that Chad knew
Uncle Joe or Joey as he was at the time
because he's Chad's age. He lived next door to Chad's
(24:53):
cousin and they were altar boys together. And he said
his brother, who was profiled there, Sean Saturno was an
absolute stud running back at our high school, Helo High School.
He was a little bit older than us, but we
would all go and watch him play. And now he's
coach at Army and the whole story that goes with it.
(25:15):
I just thought it was it was interesting. And have
a friend named Lisa Marino her and her husband Steve.
If you have a person like God places people in
the world to care for people like this, But people
like this, I mean, they just they take over your life.
You can't just get so emotionally invested in them.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
This is Mark Chestnut and Jar Bizaar of talk radio.
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Speaker 1 (25:49):
To run twenty seconds. I like, I love the way
he says it sure seems warmer none it did kind
of comes it kind of goes nasal.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Man could wake up dead. Furniture seems Mormer money did.
And knock, butniture seems Mormer money did it steaming in
knocking size bed. See anybody go in design.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And tall parting the Great Charlie Prize out on this
day four years ago, eighty six years old, I aver
known nothing and I tried a new restaurant last night.
(26:42):
It was Memorial in between the Beltway and Highway six. Well,
I don't know that area very well. Remember whe Ann's
Fine Gifts used to be. So did I tell the
(27:05):
story on their or just posted on Facebook about the
charcuterie board. I didn't tell it on there. Okay. So
two days ago we were celebrating with a friend of
ours that they were getting a new house and they
had asked us to come by. We were the first
ones that going to see the new house, and my
(27:27):
wife said, why don't we see if Emily can get
a charcuterie board, and I'll bring a glass of champagne.
We're not champagne drinkers, but we always keep champagne in
case there's something to celebrate, and so so we don't
have much time to do this, so it's mid afternoon,
(27:50):
and so I said, hey, Emily, you think you can
grab a charcuterie board short notice? You may not be
able to. And of course we could have Federal Maria
Grill do one, or Carabas or I'm sure Russell Leabar
could probably pull one out of the trunk of his car.
I mean, it just makes stuff happen, right, I don't
think Big City Wings could do a charcooterie board, but
(28:12):
you know what, I don't know that don't sell sam
short so anyway, but we're short on time. We need
it almost immediately. And Emily was running an errand for
me out on Memorial near I guess that's called Memorial Green.
Jonathan's rubb is out there, and maybe she was town
(28:34):
in Countries somewhere around there. And she said, yeah, there's
this little wine bar that popped open, and let me
see if they can do one. So she goes in
and there's some guy working there, and you don't know
if he's the cook or the chef or you know,
(28:54):
the beer delivery guy, bald guy. And when a white
man is you never really know how old he is. Right,
Chris Baker could have been sixty or he could have
been twenty four. You don't know when a white guy
shaves their head, You don't know how old they are,
and especially if they shave it clean and you don't
(29:15):
see where the hair was, you know, supposed to come
in on the sides. You really just don't know. So anyway,
some guy who's you know, what's he doing there? Is
he a delivery guy? We don't know? And she says,
and the restaurant's empty, it's early, it's probably right after
the lunch rush. It's early, too early for dinner and
(29:36):
too late for lunch. And she says, I'm sorry, Is
there any way y'all can make me a charcuterie board?
And he said, absolutely not. We got a party coming
up in an hour and I'm getting ready for it.
And so clearly he's probably waited or whatever. He works there,
and we're short staff, and I'm sorry. They're not a
(29:59):
full service restauran. They're more kind of paninis and salads
and wine maar. And she said, oh, it's a celebration.
It's these people are they's can first time walk into
their house. And she doesn't lay it on him thick,
but she passive aggressively puts it on him like, okay,
(30:20):
ruin this occasion for these people, without without the you
know plea, can you please do it? It's very according
to her. She she she has learned from me very well,
because if you put that on somebody, they're gonna say no,
just as a you know principle. But if you kind
of okay, well I'll leave. I guess Michael just died
(30:42):
in the hospital without having his one last wish of
you know, a nice persudo. Wait what, that's no big deal.
Max just in the hospital he might die, and he
just said before he died, he just wanted one bite
of persudo. Mattress Mac, I'll do it right. So it's
she didn't do that, but it was. It was in
that vein. So this guy said, look, we're not really
(31:06):
set up for this, and I just pulled in. I
need thirty minutes and she said, well great, because I
got some air insta run. How about I leave and
come back. He said that'd be great. So she said, well,
they got an event tonight. Somebody's popping in because the
head of our company, Premiere, turns out coming into town
(31:28):
and so we needed a charcuterie board for that. So
they're gonna do one, mother too right, and you're gonna
do you could do none or two right. Two's not
twice as much as one. It's a question of are
you gonna start getting all this stuff out? You know
it's ten thirty one and you still want breakfast. They
could make breakfast. It's just gonna mess the grille up, right,
So if you're gonna do one, do two. And the
(31:49):
dude was like, that's fine, okay, So she comes back
in thirty minutes, simple but beautiful Charcuteri board. You saw
it well done. All the things I needed without, all
the things I didn't need, and the things I don't
need is I don't need things that are gonna get sticky.
I don't need. My wife likes all that, the gems
(32:12):
and jellies and huh, there was honey. And I will
tell you if they don't put honey, I'm okay. And
some of them put honeycomb, and I don't. I'm I
don't understand. I'm not a honeycomb kid. I don't. I
don't need that, and it gets sticky. I don't. I
don't do anything that gets sticky. And we're not gonna
do But anyway, it was delicious. It had it had pickles.
(32:38):
Those pickles were very good. It had uh, really sharp
mustard that's a nice touch, very nice and nice French mustard.
And then it had your basic cheeses. You know, I
don't know what's happened when I don't like breathe like
I used to. I don't know what I used to
love breath. He had some some little cruit, little hard Christina,
(33:00):
and some presciudos and some just basic, straight up pepperonis
and it was perfectly done. And he said, I only
have these two charcuterie boards, so I'm giving them to you,
but I'm trusting you to bring them back. So she
tells me his whole story. And I thought, the place
(33:21):
is called vin Santo red uh oh red wine wine
read and it's out west and I just his name
is Ricardo, although it's ri c C. I don't know
if that's pronounced Richardo Gureri. He's the owner. It's him
and his wife. I think they live in the back.
It's just great. He's a take. I had to stick
(33:42):
Italian accent exactly like you want. That's not where we
had dinner last night. I just wanted to brag on
that plate, that place is called Vin Santo
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