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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In our vast archive, we were amassed over the years
of adoption stories, news stories, perspectives. I must give credit
to KHOU. Somebody over there has a heart for adoption,
because there are a lot of adoption stories that come
up from KHOU over the years. This one's one of
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my favorites. It's a mother who adopts her daughter in
front of her daughter's kindergarten class.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Amy Phillips really wanted to be a mother.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well you kind of wait around as an adult thinking, oh,
perfect relationship will come along, and that just didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Work out for me.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So four years ago she became a foster parent to
children like Ember. The two just clicked. And in January,
when Ember's biological parents gave up their rights.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Thank you for giving Ember this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Amy filed for adoption.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It's a lifetime commitment and I had that space in
my home and my heart for that and patience for
the process.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The pandemic temporarily shut down the courts, so once the
judge was ready, Amy asked if Ember's kindergarten class at
Mcwerder Elementary could watch.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
She has lived in my home for six hundred and
forty days.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You're looking at a family coming together officially, and no
family looks exactly alive. We can have all kinds of
families today.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
What I am ordering.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
To see a new family start right in front of
their eyes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That was just perfect. If the pandemic's taught us anything,
it's cherished. Those you love lean into family, especially parents,
whatever that looks like for you. Their unconditional love can
move mountains, heel pain, bring comfort. A parent can make
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the world less scary.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I hope to do the very best that I can.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I know I'm not perfect, but I have wonderful life
experiences that I can share with her, and I just
can't wait to let her grow and become the best
person that she possibly can become.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's every mother.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Stream Patrick in Denver. You're on the Michael Berry Show
Annual Adoption Special. Go ahead, my.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Man, Hey, el Casino.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
I've got my lovely ten year old daughter here who
has adopted, and we're about to.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Drop her off here at school, and she.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Wanted to call in and say hello.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And what is her name?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Rachel?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Rachel? Can you hear me?
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (03:26):
I can what.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Grade are you in? Fourth grade?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
I'm in fifth grade?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Fifth grade? Who's your favorite teacher in fifth grade?
Speaker 8 (03:37):
I only have one teacher and her name is miss O'Neill.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How come you only have one teacher? You like little
House in the Prayer on the prairie?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Do you know what little House on the Prairie is?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So, how come you only have one teach? You have
the same teacher the whole day. Yeah, so she's your
favorite and she's the best and worst teacher that you have.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I guess what's your favorite subject? My favorite subject is
probably maths, and your least favorite subject.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Probably science.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
If I were to ask you what you would like
to do professionally when you're thirty five years old, what
would you say it would be?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I would probably be a pilot.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
A pilot okay? Interesting? And how did you arrive at that?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I was just like fascinated when I first saw a plane.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You sound much older than fifth grade. Are you an
only child?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
I have an older brother.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Because many times an only child because they talk mostly
to adults instead of other children, are very precocious and
they will seem much older. How old is your brother?
Speaker 9 (05:05):
He's twelve?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Is he also adopted, Yes, he is. What's his name?
Speaker 8 (05:13):
His name is Eddie.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If you were to guess what Eddie would do when
he's thirty five years old, what would you say it
would be?
Speaker 6 (05:20):
He wanted he would be a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A baseball player. Okay, all right, tell me one thing
you love most about your.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Dad that he takes care of.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Me, And tell me one thing that you go, Oh,
is not my favorite thing about him.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
If you know what I mean, he like embarrasses me
in front of people.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Oh, he's supposed to do that. I do that. I
have two boys, and that's like, that's our job. We
are required to do that. That's that's that's a thing
that we do. How far into this conversation did you
think to yourself, I've gotten myself into something I can't
get out of.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Less than one minute.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I adore you. Thank you, sweetheart, have a wonderful day.
Thanks for calling, Jeff, You're on the Michael Berry Show.
She's honest. She had quite every fifth grader, didn't She
Just a strong, deep voice, quite a presence. You know,
the fifth grade girl's supposed to kind of giggle and
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be shy. She's that that one she's going to be
a handful. She's tough, Jeff, you're.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Up, sir. Hey Michael.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Every year you do the show and I say I'm
going to call in, and then.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
I never do. But this was a year.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Tell me your story.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
We adopted, Yeah, we adopted our two sons from Russia.
We just celebrated the eighteenth anniversary of them being here
in America. What a blessing they are there. Well, the
process started. They were actually three and five. By the
time we got them into the States, they were four
and six, and they're now, gosh, twenty two and twenty four.
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That all American boys, great kids. But boy, I tell
you that was such a process. When we went to Russia.
You had to that time, you had to go twice.
Once you would meet the the children, and then the
second time you have to come back for the actual
court hearing and all that stuff. But man, I tell you,
my wife was such a trooper. And the mountains of
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paperwork that you had to go through for all that stuff, gosh,
it was.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It is crazy. You know what annoys me about that, Jeff,
is anyone can have a baby, right, you're going to
have a license to cut hair of all things, or
to add extensions to hair. But anybody can have a baby,
and that's how it should be. But then two people
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want to care for a child, and we've created this
elaborate system as if the reason they're doing this is
to run a criminal syndicate or whatever, and you have
to go through all this trouble, good grief. We had
the same caseworker for both of our boys, and we
were so happy. She came back out and she came
in and she said, look, we can dismiss with all
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the questions. I'm required to be here for thirty seconds,
for thirty minutes, so we can talk about whatever y'all
want to talk about. So well, how about we have dinner.
We were gonna have dinner after you left. She sat
down and had dinner with us, and and that was that,
and it was a beautiful thing, that whole process. So
Grant Dorfman was the presiding was the judge that we
chose for Michael's adoption process, and he was off the
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bench by the time Crockett was and ken Wise did it.
So it turned out that two of my dear, dear
friends and wonderful judges were there administered the process for
my boys, and that was special. The Michael Very Show.
You really adopted the doc.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I was bought it. I'm gonna call love.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Do you know how many stories I can't read every
email that I get, but I do love to read them.
Do you know how many stories I get from people
who were adopted by a firefighter, a nurse, or a
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police officer who, in the course of their work, come
upon a child brought into this world and for whatever reason,
no one to take care of it, and they just
step in and do it. Is It's a beautiful thing.
(09:51):
It really is. January twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, President Trump
speaking at his State of the Union and the story
that everyone took away from that night was an Albuquerque
police officer named Ryan Holitz, who adopted the baby of
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a drug addict that he came upon in the course
of serving the people of Albuquerque.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
As we have seen tonight, the most difficult challenges bring
out the best in America. We see a vivid expression
of this truth in the story of the Holletz family
of New Mexico. Brian Holettes is twenty seven years old,
an officer with the Albuquerque Police Department. He's here tonight
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with his wife Rebecca.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Frank you Ryan.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Last year, Ryan was on duty when he saw a pregnant,
homeless woman preparing to inject heroin. When Ryan told her
she was going to harm her unborn child, she began
to weep. She told him she didn't know where to turn,
but badly wanted a safe home for her baby. In
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that moment, Ryan said he felt God speak to him,
you will do it because you can. He heard those words.
He took out a picture of his wife and their
four kids. Then he went home to tell his wife Rebecca.
In an instant, she agreed to adopt. The Lett's named
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their new daughter Hope. Ryan and Rebecca, you embody the
goodness of our nation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Thank you, Tim. You're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir,
Thank you Michael.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
I'm an adopted dad and just to give you a
quick story, my wife and I went through IVA failures
multiple times, and I watched the havoc that that had
on my wife's body and just realized that that was
not going to be our journey to have a family.
So we started looking into adoption again and amazing thing.
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I went through a local adoption agency here in Houston,
and we replaced. God gave us a beautiful little baby boy,
and we had him for about two weeks and I
got a call from our adoption agency saying, hey, there's
been an issue. We need you to show up at
the courthouse on Monday, and my wife and I didn't
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know what.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was going on.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
We got dressed, showed up with baby at the courthouse
on Monday, and about an hour after being there, we
were told that there's been a custody dispute with the
parents of one of the birth parents and they didn't
know what the outcome was going to be, but the
baby was not coming home with us. So we sat
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there for another four hours taking care of our son,
hoping and praying for the best outcome for him. Finally
comes back that the baby's going to go home with
the birth mom and family, and we gave our car
seat and all of our supplies and sent our baby
off and went home without a child. After about a year,
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we decided to try to go through adoption again. We
had four or five more failed placements, feeling like it
was never going to happen, and then got a call
out of the blue one day from our adoption agency
saying that a birth mom had chosen us. Neither of
us thought anything of it. We agreed to meet with her,
walk in and she shows us her sonogram and says, hey,
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would you like to meet your son? And that was
in March of twenty fifteen, and in May of twenty fifteen,
my son was born. She asked my wife if she
would be her plus one in ther for her c section,
and my wife, not a medical person, does not handle blood, well,
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said no way, but yes, And so from his first breath,
my son, Jonathan has been in our arms and has
been with us. We had such a weird finalization. No,
you know how that goes. You've talked about it. Ours
was a one year process and everything. The birth father
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was here, but the birth mom was still married and
husband had left her while she was pregnant with her
first child, and they were still technically married. But he
went international, and the judge spent a year trying to
track this guy down and finally told us, hey, you
know what, I've done everything I can. I'm finally going
to serve him one more time through email, the first
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time he had ever had to do that, and we
were finally able to finalize in September of twenty sixteen.
And my little boy is the best thing that we
could ever have hoped for. It's just a true picture
of God, of God's love and his redemption and his
faithfulness in our lives. And thank you so much for
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giving us the opportunity to share our stories and for
making this such a special day for Houston.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Thank you, Joel Euroup Sir.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Yes, sir, hey calling about a humorous story about my
own adoption. And I would like to put a shout
out for my two boys and my six step kids,
because I feel as if I've adopted them and they've
adopted me.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Joel, I'm happy to let you tell your story. Unfortunately,
we have ground rules that you are you white, sir.
I am okay. We don't allow shout outs from anybody
other than black people, and the fact that you didn't
call me Mike was a good indicator you're not black.
You can do a point of personal recognition. So if
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you'd like to start over, I apologize, rewind the tape
for mont. You can do a point of personal recognition,
just not a shout out, all right, so start over.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I would Joel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Joel, you're only Michael Berry show.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Go ahead, sir, Yes, sir, I would like to bring
a humorous story about my own adoption as well to
uh affliction for my two boys and my step kids.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Point of irisonal recign. Hold on, We'll try it again.
Take three, Take three?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Whats you want?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
You want to set the Michael Berry Just to say
the word and I'll throw a glasshole around it.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
Pug down.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
See yesterday I told you our friend Mark Sherman, who
was the grand Poobah of programming for all of Houston
and beyond. Some of you will remember Mark Sherman from
back in the day when he was a mere mortal.
He was the co host on Sunday ninety nine point
one for many years with Dana Tyson, and he went,
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what's that She threw a chair at him? That's true,
she did throw a chair. She's a tough woman's also
a hot woman. I really don't think we talk enough
about how hot Dana Tyson is. She's a workout buff.
She also does something that nobody else in the radio does.
She dresses up. There's always a treat to We had
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these long hallways back when we were at two thousand
West Loop and she'd be you'd come around the corn
her coming out of the restroom, and I once I
get to the studio, I take off my shoes on barefoot,
and I'm wearing sloppy shorts and a sloppy shirt, and
you know, I don't really care because I'm on the radio.
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And there she'd come, and she'd be wearing I don't
what you call them. They're not high heels. They're like shoes,
very sexy. So the end of the toe is exposed,
but there's like a strap over the main part of
the shoe, and then the heel is exposed, very sexy,
and then kind of a not so much a it's
a heel, but it's a thicker heel, so it's kind
of more European stylish kind of thing. You sh'd be
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wearing that and jeans and some top and have all
her makeup on, her hair perfectly done, and she's the
only one in the building that you know, we're in radio.
But she might leave there and then go do a
TV hit. So so that was my excuse for why
she'd do that. But anyway, so Mark Sherman was on
with her for years and years and years and then
he ascended to many, which means you don't have to
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do anything, but you make more money, which is a
great gig. And so he ran stundying at nine point
one for years and then and now he's the big
the big Boss. I told you the story that he
was driving to Dallas too, because now I guess Dallas
reports to him as well our Dallas stations and eighteen
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wheelers smashed him in the back and I mean totaled
his car. Just if you look at his car, you
can't believe he's alive. But anyway, I just got news
that he is. He has gone into surgery with doctor
McCullough at Methodists this morning. So if you can throw
up a prayer for a recently converted within the last
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ten years, Catholic boy, Mark Sherman, originally from Pennsylvania, I
would sure appreciate it. He's he's having his clavigal rebuilt,
and I think a bunch of bones and boners are
being taken care of, and uh they are also they
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are replacing his cocksicks.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
His cocksix was was broken off, you know, the little
the little part that is the tail. It was broken
off and the doctors thought it would just look more
natural when they take an X ray. If if it
doesn't just stop right there, it should have that little
extension where you're reminded, you know, we might have had
a tail at one point, we might have looked more
like a salamander than we realize, and so they were
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going to do a little cocksix extension. What's that? Okay?
That good landing rocket arm foide on here come.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
From brittle jugget breakers in.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, you have spart in boarding down board there on.
We're coming forward with the side stick. Well looks good, chard,
I've got to blow out favor three pitches out again,
hold out direction, alcohol is off, trip collector and emergency
flight con Again't hold it you bringing.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Up you'd drink.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's not my favorite version round there. All right, Laura,
you're old Michael Berry show go ahead, sweetheart. Oh we
have to go back to Joel. I'm sorry, Joel, go ahead.
Point of personal recognition. Take three?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Yes there, Hey, calling in as a humorous story of
my own adoption. First off, I am a father of
two and a step father of six.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Didn't very a word. I love this guy, all right,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
The kids luckily have their fathers in their lives, so
I don't need to adopt them, but I feel as
if I have and they've adopted me, and that's a
wonderful thing for our family. Uh Number two, I'd like
to bring awareness for my wife that has considered adopting
a seventeen and eighteen or a nineteen year old war
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to the state or fostering, because it's the most volatile
time or age for that child that's been in the
foster system. So anybody that could consider it. My own story,
I was born in the sixties and my birth certificate
says on or about and a date. It doesn't say
when it's on or about. So after my mom had
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passed when I was in my early twenties, I asked
my father where how did you get me? Because I
was told I was adopted, And he tells me that
what he remembers is that they called him on a
Friday and said, we have one here down at the hospital.
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He's really cute. Why don't you bring him home for
the weekend and see if you like him? And I
had to tell him, Dad, that sounds like a dog,
not a child.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Is there a living log? Can I give him back.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
This one.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Christ too much in poops too often.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
I don't want him, but sure enough, and I've called
in on Father's Day special, and you let me give
my story about luckily him holding on to me till
I was eighteen or nineteen instead of taking me to
the curb like you should have. But luckily just very
great parents, smart as whips, double masters, both of them,
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and somehow I made it somewhat smart and somewhat responsible.
And I can't thank you enough for let me tell
my story.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What do you do for living?
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Joel, Sir? I'm an electrician, you own. I worked for myself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You have a great I'm very familiar, a great delivery
and presentation. Your voice. I like the way you.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Use it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's very natural, kind of offhanded, and it makes your
stories quite entertaining. I bet you that helps you in
your career interacting with people. Call back again.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, Christy, he's eating right now. He can't be Michael Mary, Sir,
Please do not call him the fat pick See I'm
trying to be nice.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Don't call him a fat pig.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
When I look in My.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Friend uncle Darryl. Darryl Hancock sent me a message related
to today's show a famous musician who thought his mother
was his sister. His biological father was a Canadian soldier
who laid over in the UK on his way to
the European theater in nineteen forty four. Clapton was born
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in March of forty five. A Canadian journalist later identified
the biological father, a Montreal musician, alcoholic, and drifter, who
died in nineteen eighty five, leaving several failed marriages and
several children, and apparently without ever knowing Eric Clapton was
his biological son. Clapton was his mother's maiden name. Clapton's mother,
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Slas sister, married when Clapton was young and moved away
to start a new family with her husband. Claptain grew
up believing his biological grandmother Rose and his step grandfather
Jack were his biological parents. They were loving parent surrogates
and reared him in a small congregation of the Church
of England. He learned the truth as a young adult.
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Two Clapton songs reflect his anxieties about his parentage, motherless child.
His rendition of an old American spiritual starts this way.
If I mistreat you, girl, I sure don't mean no harm.
If I mistreat you, girl, I sure don't mean no harm. Well,
I'm a motherless child. I don't know right from wrong.
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He would right my father's eyes, after he had learned
the details of his father's life from the Canadian Reporter,
and after his own four year old son had died
after a fall from a high rise window. Just a
toe rag on the run? How did I get here?
What have I done? When will all my hopes arise?
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How will I know him? When I look into my
father's eyes? Also of note singer Bobby Darren Walden, Robert
Cassato was reared with his was reared by his grandparents
as his parents, and his mother as his sister. Grandpa
Cassato a made man in the Genovese crime family. It's
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always a pleasure when Uncle Daryl said something, because it's
going to be a perspective that you would not expect. Yeah,
Uncle Darrel's a fascinating character. He's a longtime lawyer at
Baker Bots and he was attached to Jim Baker, James A.
Baker the Third for many years in his career and
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they're still very good friends. And oh, by the way,
he's the president of or the lead cheerleader for the
Czech Association. Downtown. They have a building with all sorts
of check history there. I was watching the documentary of
the day about check people, and it was the the
people that came together, the Bohemians. Who are the people
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that make those great cookies, those paper Moravians. No, the Moravians.
I'm gonna get in ornament to get have I ever
never given you missed some of Missus Haynes Moravian cookies.
Oh my goodness, it comes in a ten. And you know,
my wife it's the English thing refers to a ten
of cookies. And we used to buy them. They've gotten expensive.
It's like fifty bucks a ten. I don't know what
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they are expensive. And miss missus Haynes's family they live
in North Carolina. I don't know if she's still around,
but she started the business. And it's these wayfer I
mean paper then cookies, so you're only gonna eat one
and it's becomes three hundred and they're so good, and
we would buy them as gifts. And the reason I
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got hooked on him was one year we received him.
My wife had a professor of torts by the name
of Craig Joyce and Craig Joyce's claim to fame is
he was Sandra Dale O'Connor's nephew. He's also a great
professor at the University of Houston Law Center, and he
became a good good friend of ours. In fact, he
wrote my letter of recommendation for ut Law School. He
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had taught there and they knew him anyway, so he
had some connection to these cookies and he sent one
and we used I don't know why we stopped, but
we used to send. We'd set a budget every year,
let's it was a thousand dollars, and we would send
however much that thousand bucks would get us. We would
have them sent to different people that we loved, and
we probably just forgot, truthfully, probably for God. Joel was
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a good call. Laura, you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Go ahead, sweetheart.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Hi Michael, Thanks so much for doing this. I think
it's so great to bring awareness for adoption because there's
so many facets to it. I'm an adoptee back from
the sixties as well as Joel, and we've come a
long way since then. I about thirty years ago, did
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search for my birth parents because there was a great
need to know where I came from, and that was
hard on my parents, and I just want to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Say that.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It doesn't mean anything about how much you love your
parents or how much what a great life they've given
you if you do decide to search for your roots
and your identity. I think it's important to say that
because I think that a lot of times parents feel
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like if we were good parents, then they wouldn't want
to search. But I think that searching is just natural
for some, not for all, and there just needs to
be more mental health support for adopted parents and adoptees
to go to navigate these waters. Do you know what
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I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I mean, let's look at let's look at the infrastructure
that was built up around illegal immigration. The government contracted with, Well,
the Catholics don't like me to say who they contracted with,
so I'm not going to say to create this, this
sort of pipeline, this sort of Harriet Tubman, except this
one's illegal pipeline. I mean technically that was illegal at
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the time. I do think that it would be that
it tends to be kind of balkanized. There are actually
a lot of good people out there in the adoption world,
as you know, the random lawyer over here, and there's
no money in it, so it's hard to get legal
resources for it. The Pelchian does good work there, there
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are different people doing good work. It would be great
if there was a little more coordination because I get
a lot of people who come to me and they say, hey,
we want to get started. They don't know what to do.
We need a lot more foster parents, I mean children.
It's not a child's fault that their parents are messed
up for whatever reason. But even if, even if, just
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to save society, we need more people to foster, and
there are a lot of people who would love to
they just don't know how to get started. So yeah,
I agree with that. It'd be better just the public
information and kind of a little better coordination.
It's that time time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
In our vast archive, we were amassed over the years
of adoption stories, news stories, perspectives. I must give credit
to KHOU. Somebody over there has a heart for adoption,
because there are a lot of adoption stories that come
up from KHOU over the years. This one's one of
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my favorites. It's a mother who adopts her daughter in
front of her daughter's kindergarten class.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Amy Phillips really wanted to be a mother.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well you kind of wait around as an adult thinking, oh,
perfect relationship will come along, and that just didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Work out for me.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So four years ago she became a foster parent to
children like Ember. The two just clicked. And in January,
when Ember's biological parents gave up their rights.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Thank you for giving Ember this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Amy filed for adoption.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It's a lifetime commitment and I had that space in
my home and my heart for that and patience for
the process.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The pandemic temporarily shut down the courts, so once the
judge was ready, Amy asked if Ember's kindergarten class at
Mcwerder Elementary could watch.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
She has lived in my home for six hundred and
forty days.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You're looking at a family coming together officially, and no
family looks exactly alive. We can have all kinds of
families today.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
What I am ordering.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
To see a new family start right in front of
their eyes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That was just perfect. If the pandemic's taught us anything,
it's cherished. Those you love lean into family, especially parents,
whatever that looks like for you. Their unconditional love can
move mountains, heel pain, bring comfort. A parent can make
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the world less scary.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I hope to do the very best that I can.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I know I'm not perfect, but I have wonderful life
experiences that I can share with her, and I just
can't wait to let her grow and become the best
person that she possibly can become.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's every mother.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Stream Patrick in Denver. You're on the Michael Berry Show
Annual Adoption Special. Go ahead, my.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Man, Hey, el Casino.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
I've got my lovely ten year old daughter here who
has adopted, and we're about to.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
Drop her off here at school, and she.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Wanted to call in and say hello.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And what is her name?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Rachel?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Rachel? Can you hear me?
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (03:26):
I can what.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Grade are you in? Fourth grade?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
I'm in fifth grade?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Fifth grade? Who's your favorite teacher in fifth grade?
Speaker 8 (03:37):
I only have one teacher and her name is miss O'Neill.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How come you only have one teacher? You like little
House in the Prayer on the prairie?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Do you know what little House on the Prairie is?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So, how come you only have one teach? You have
the same teacher the whole day. Yeah, so she's your
favorite and she's the best and worst teacher that you have.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I guess what's your favorite subject? My favorite subject is
probably maths, and your least favorite subject.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Probably science.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
If I were to ask you what you would like
to do professionally when you're thirty five years old, what
would you say it would be?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I would probably be a pilot.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
A pilot okay? Interesting? And how did you arrive at that?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I was just like fascinated when I first saw a plane.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You sound much older than fifth grade. Are you an
only child?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:50):
I have an older brother.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Because many times an only child because they talk mostly
to adults instead of other children, are very precocious and
they will seem much older. How old is your brother?
Speaker 9 (05:05):
He's twelve?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Is he also adopted, Yes, he is. What's his name?
Speaker 8 (05:13):
His name is Eddie.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If you were to guess what Eddie would do when
he's thirty five years old, what would you say it
would be?
Speaker 6 (05:20):
He wanted he would be a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A baseball player. Okay, all right, tell me one thing
you love most about your.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Dad that he takes care of.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Me, And tell me one thing that you go, Oh,
is not my favorite thing about him.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
If you know what I mean, he like embarrasses me
in front of people.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Oh, he's supposed to do that. I do that. I
have two boys, and that's like, that's our job. We
are required to do that. That's that's that's a thing
that we do. How far into this conversation did you
think to yourself, I've gotten myself into something I can't
get out of.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Less than one minute.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I adore you. Thank you, sweetheart, have a wonderful day.
Thanks for calling, Jeff, You're on the Michael Berry Show.
She's honest. She had quite every fifth grader, didn't She
Just a strong, deep voice, quite a presence. You know,
the fifth grade girl's supposed to kind of giggle and
(06:27):
be shy. She's that that one she's going to be
a handful. She's tough, Jeff, you're.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Up, sir. Hey Michael.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Every year you do the show and I say I'm
going to call in, and then.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
I never do. But this was a year.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Tell me your story.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
We adopted, Yeah, we adopted our two sons from Russia.
We just celebrated the eighteenth anniversary of them being here
in America. What a blessing they are there. Well, the
process started. They were actually three and five. By the
time we got them into the States, they were four
and six, and they're now, gosh, twenty two and twenty four.
(07:06):
That all American boys, great kids. But boy, I tell
you that was such a process. When we went to Russia.
You had to that time, you had to go twice.
Once you would meet the the children, and then the
second time you have to come back for the actual
court hearing and all that stuff. But man, I tell you,
my wife was such a trooper. And the mountains of
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paperwork that you had to go through for all that stuff, gosh,
it was.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It is crazy. You know what annoys me about that, Jeff,
is anyone can have a baby, right, you're going to
have a license to cut hair of all things, or
to add extensions to hair. But anybody can have a baby,
and that's how it should be. But then two people
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want to care for a child, and we've created this
elaborate system as if the reason they're doing this is
to run a criminal syndicate or whatever, and you have
to go through all this trouble, good grief. We had
the same caseworker for both of our boys, and we
were so happy. She came back out and she came
in and she said, look, we can dismiss with all
(08:19):
the questions. I'm required to be here for thirty seconds,
for thirty minutes, so we can talk about whatever y'all
want to talk about. So well, how about we have dinner.
We were gonna have dinner after you left. She sat
down and had dinner with us, and and that was that,
and it was a beautiful thing, that whole process. So
Grant Dorfman was the presiding was the judge that we
chose for Michael's adoption process, and he was off the
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bench by the time Crockett was and ken Wise did it.
So it turned out that two of my dear, dear
friends and wonderful judges were there administered the process for
my boys, and that was special. The Michael Very Show.
You really adopted the doc.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I was bought it. I'm gonna call love.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Do you know how many stories I can't read every
email that I get, but I do love to read them.
Do you know how many stories I get from people
who were adopted by a firefighter, a nurse, or a
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police officer who, in the course of their work, come
upon a child brought into this world and for whatever reason,
no one to take care of it, and they just
step in and do it. Is It's a beautiful thing.
(09:51):
It really is. January twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, President Trump
speaking at his State of the Union and the story
that everyone took away from that night was an Albuquerque
police officer named Ryan Holitz, who adopted the baby of
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a drug addict that he came upon in the course
of serving the people of Albuquerque.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
As we have seen tonight, the most difficult challenges bring
out the best in America. We see a vivid expression
of this truth in the story of the Holletz family
of New Mexico. Brian Holettes is twenty seven years old,
an officer with the Albuquerque Police Department. He's here tonight
(10:44):
with his wife Rebecca.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Frank you Ryan.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Last year, Ryan was on duty when he saw a pregnant,
homeless woman preparing to inject heroin. When Ryan told her
she was going to harm her unborn child, she began
to weep. She told him she didn't know where to turn,
but badly wanted a safe home for her baby. In
(11:32):
that moment, Ryan said he felt God speak to him,
you will do it because you can. He heard those words.
He took out a picture of his wife and their
four kids. Then he went home to tell his wife Rebecca.
In an instant, she agreed to adopt. The Lett's named
(11:57):
their new daughter Hope. Ryan and Rebecca, you embody the
goodness of our nation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Thank you, Tim. You're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir,
Thank you Michael.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
I'm an adopted dad and just to give you a
quick story, my wife and I went through IVA failures
multiple times, and I watched the havoc that that had
on my wife's body and just realized that that was
not going to be our journey to have a family.
So we started looking into adoption again and amazing thing.
(12:36):
I went through a local adoption agency here in Houston,
and we replaced. God gave us a beautiful little baby boy,
and we had him for about two weeks and I
got a call from our adoption agency saying, hey, there's
been an issue. We need you to show up at
the courthouse on Monday, and my wife and I didn't
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know what.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was going on.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
We got dressed, showed up with baby at the courthouse
on Monday, and about an hour after being there, we
were told that there's been a custody dispute with the
parents of one of the birth parents and they didn't
know what the outcome was going to be, but the
baby was not coming home with us. So we sat
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there for another four hours taking care of our son,
hoping and praying for the best outcome for him. Finally
comes back that the baby's going to go home with
the birth mom and family, and we gave our car
seat and all of our supplies and sent our baby
off and went home without a child. After about a year,
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we decided to try to go through adoption again. We
had four or five more failed placements, feeling like it
was never going to happen, and then got a call
out of the blue one day from our adoption agency
saying that a birth mom had chosen us. Neither of
us thought anything of it. We agreed to meet with her,
walk in and she shows us her sonogram and says, hey,
(14:03):
would you like to meet your son? And that was
in March of twenty fifteen, and in May of twenty fifteen,
my son was born. She asked my wife if she
would be her plus one in ther for her c section,
and my wife, not a medical person, does not handle blood, well,
(14:24):
said no way, but yes, And so from his first breath,
my son, Jonathan has been in our arms and has
been with us. We had such a weird finalization. No,
you know how that goes. You've talked about it. Ours
was a one year process and everything. The birth father
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was here, but the birth mom was still married and
husband had left her while she was pregnant with her
first child, and they were still technically married. But he
went international, and the judge spent a year trying to
track this guy down and finally told us, hey, you
know what, I've done everything I can. I'm finally going
to serve him one more time through email, the first
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time he had ever had to do that, and we
were finally able to finalize in September of twenty sixteen.
And my little boy is the best thing that we
could ever have hoped for. It's just a true picture
of God, of God's love and his redemption and his
faithfulness in our lives. And thank you so much for
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giving us the opportunity to share our stories and for
making this such a special day for Houston.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Thank you, Joel Euroup Sir.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Yes, sir, hey calling about a humorous story about my
own adoption. And I would like to put a shout
out for my two boys and my six step kids,
because I feel as if I've adopted them and they've
adopted me.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Joel, I'm happy to let you tell your story. Unfortunately,
we have ground rules that you are you white, sir.
I am okay. We don't allow shout outs from anybody
other than black people, and the fact that you didn't
call me Mike was a good indicator you're not black.
You can do a point of personal recognition. So if
(16:22):
you'd like to start over, I apologize, rewind the tape
for mont. You can do a point of personal recognition,
just not a shout out, all right, so start over.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I would Joel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Joel, you're only Michael Berry show.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Go ahead, sir, Yes, sir, I would like to bring
a humorous story about my own adoption as well to
uh affliction for my two boys and my step kids.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Point of irisonal recign. Hold on, We'll try it again.
Take three, Take three?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Whats you want?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
You want to set the Michael Berry Just to say
the word and I'll throw a glasshole around it.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
Pug down.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
See yesterday I told you our friend Mark Sherman, who
was the grand Poobah of programming for all of Houston
and beyond. Some of you will remember Mark Sherman from
back in the day when he was a mere mortal.
He was the co host on Sunday ninety nine point
one for many years with Dana Tyson, and he went,
(17:32):
what's that She threw a chair at him? That's true,
she did throw a chair. She's a tough woman's also
a hot woman. I really don't think we talk enough
about how hot Dana Tyson is. She's a workout buff.
She also does something that nobody else in the radio does.
She dresses up. There's always a treat to We had
(17:54):
these long hallways back when we were at two thousand
West Loop and she'd be you'd come around the corn
her coming out of the restroom, and I once I
get to the studio, I take off my shoes on barefoot,
and I'm wearing sloppy shorts and a sloppy shirt, and
you know, I don't really care because I'm on the radio.
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And there she'd come, and she'd be wearing I don't
what you call them. They're not high heels. They're like shoes,
very sexy. So the end of the toe is exposed,
but there's like a strap over the main part of
the shoe, and then the heel is exposed, very sexy,
and then kind of a not so much a it's
a heel, but it's a thicker heel, so it's kind
of more European stylish kind of thing. You sh'd be
(18:38):
wearing that and jeans and some top and have all
her makeup on, her hair perfectly done, and she's the
only one in the building that you know, we're in radio.
But she might leave there and then go do a
TV hit. So so that was my excuse for why
she'd do that. But anyway, so Mark Sherman was on
with her for years and years and years and then
he ascended to many, which means you don't have to
(19:01):
do anything, but you make more money, which is a
great gig. And so he ran stundying at nine point
one for years and then and now he's the big
the big Boss. I told you the story that he
was driving to Dallas too, because now I guess Dallas
reports to him as well our Dallas stations and eighteen
(19:21):
wheelers smashed him in the back and I mean totaled
his car. Just if you look at his car, you
can't believe he's alive. But anyway, I just got news
that he is. He has gone into surgery with doctor
McCullough at Methodists this morning. So if you can throw
up a prayer for a recently converted within the last
(19:41):
ten years, Catholic boy, Mark Sherman, originally from Pennsylvania, I
would sure appreciate it. He's he's having his clavigal rebuilt,
and I think a bunch of bones and boners are
being taken care of, and uh they are also they
(20:03):
are replacing his cocksicks.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
His cocksix was was broken off, you know, the little
the little part that is the tail. It was broken
off and the doctors thought it would just look more
natural when they take an X ray. If if it
doesn't just stop right there, it should have that little
extension where you're reminded, you know, we might have had
a tail at one point, we might have looked more
like a salamander than we realize, and so they were
(20:27):
going to do a little cocksix extension. What's that? Okay?
That good landing rocket arm foide on here come.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
From brittle jugget breakers in.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, you have spart in boarding down board there on.
We're coming forward with the side stick. Well looks good, chard,
I've got to blow out favor three pitches out again,
hold out direction, alcohol is off, trip collector and emergency
flight con Again't hold it you bringing.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Up you'd drink.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's not my favorite version round there. All right, Laura,
you're old Michael Berry show go ahead, sweetheart. Oh we
have to go back to Joel. I'm sorry, Joel, go ahead.
Point of personal recognition. Take three?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Yes there, Hey, calling in as a humorous story of
my own adoption. First off, I am a father of
two and a step father of six.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Didn't very a word. I love this guy, all right,
go ahead.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
The kids luckily have their fathers in their lives, so
I don't need to adopt them, but I feel as
if I have and they've adopted me, and that's a
wonderful thing for our family. Uh Number two, I'd like
to bring awareness for my wife that has considered adopting
a seventeen and eighteen or a nineteen year old war
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to the state or fostering, because it's the most volatile
time or age for that child that's been in the
foster system. So anybody that could consider it. My own story,
I was born in the sixties and my birth certificate
says on or about and a date. It doesn't say
when it's on or about. So after my mom had
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passed when I was in my early twenties, I asked
my father where how did you get me? Because I
was told I was adopted, And he tells me that
what he remembers is that they called him on a
Friday and said, we have one here down at the hospital.
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He's really cute. Why don't you bring him home for
the weekend and see if you like him? And I
had to tell him, Dad, that sounds like a dog,
not a child.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Is there a living log? Can I give him back.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
This one.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Christ too much in poops too often.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
I don't want him, but sure enough, and I've called
in on Father's Day special, and you let me give
my story about luckily him holding on to me till
I was eighteen or nineteen instead of taking me to
the curb like you should have. But luckily just very
great parents, smart as whips, double masters, both of them,
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and somehow I made it somewhat smart and somewhat responsible.
And I can't thank you enough for let me tell
my story.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What do you do for living?
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Joel, Sir? I'm an electrician, you own. I worked for myself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You have a great I'm very familiar, a great delivery
and presentation. Your voice. I like the way you.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Use it.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's very natural, kind of offhanded, and it makes your
stories quite entertaining. I bet you that helps you in
your career interacting with people. Call back again.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, Christy, he's eating right now. He can't be Michael Mary, Sir,
Please do not call him the fat pick See I'm
trying to be nice.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Don't call him a fat pig.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
When I look in My.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Friend uncle Darryl. Darryl Hancock sent me a message related
to today's show a famous musician who thought his mother
was his sister. His biological father was a Canadian soldier
who laid over in the UK on his way to
the European theater in nineteen forty four. Clapton was born
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in March of forty five. A Canadian journalist later identified
the biological father, a Montreal musician, alcoholic, and drifter, who
died in nineteen eighty five, leaving several failed marriages and
several children, and apparently without ever knowing Eric Clapton was
his biological son. Clapton was his mother's maiden name. Clapton's mother,
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Slas sister, married when Clapton was young and moved away
to start a new family with her husband. Claptain grew
up believing his biological grandmother Rose and his step grandfather
Jack were his biological parents. They were loving parent surrogates
and reared him in a small congregation of the Church
of England. He learned the truth as a young adult.
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Two Clapton songs reflect his anxieties about his parentage, motherless child.
His rendition of an old American spiritual starts this way.
If I mistreat you, girl, I sure don't mean no harm.
If I mistreat you, girl, I sure don't mean no harm. Well,
I'm a motherless child. I don't know right from wrong.
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He would right my father's eyes, after he had learned
the details of his father's life from the Canadian Reporter,
and after his own four year old son had died
after a fall from a high rise window. Just a
toe rag on the run? How did I get here?
What have I done? When will all my hopes arise?
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How will I know him? When I look into my
father's eyes? Also of note singer Bobby Darren Walden, Robert
Cassato was reared with his was reared by his grandparents
as his parents, and his mother as his sister. Grandpa
Cassato a made man in the Genovese crime family. It's
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always a pleasure when Uncle Daryl said something, because it's
going to be a perspective that you would not expect. Yeah,
Uncle Darrel's a fascinating character. He's a longtime lawyer at
Baker Bots and he was attached to Jim Baker, James A.
Baker the Third for many years in his career and
(27:09):
they're still very good friends. And oh, by the way,
he's the president of or the lead cheerleader for the
Czech Association. Downtown. They have a building with all sorts
of check history there. I was watching the documentary of
the day about check people, and it was the the
people that came together, the Bohemians. Who are the people
(27:35):
that make those great cookies, those paper Moravians. No, the Moravians.
I'm gonna get in ornament to get have I ever
never given you missed some of Missus Haynes Moravian cookies.
Oh my goodness, it comes in a ten. And you know,
my wife it's the English thing refers to a ten
of cookies. And we used to buy them. They've gotten expensive.
It's like fifty bucks a ten. I don't know what
(27:58):
they are expensive. And miss missus Haynes's family they live
in North Carolina. I don't know if she's still around,
but she started the business. And it's these wayfer I
mean paper then cookies, so you're only gonna eat one
and it's becomes three hundred and they're so good, and
we would buy them as gifts. And the reason I
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got hooked on him was one year we received him.
My wife had a professor of torts by the name
of Craig Joyce and Craig Joyce's claim to fame is
he was Sandra Dale O'Connor's nephew. He's also a great
professor at the University of Houston Law Center, and he
became a good good friend of ours. In fact, he
wrote my letter of recommendation for ut Law School. He
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had taught there and they knew him anyway, so he
had some connection to these cookies and he sent one
and we used I don't know why we stopped, but
we used to send. We'd set a budget every year,
let's it was a thousand dollars, and we would send
however much that thousand bucks would get us. We would
have them sent to different people that we loved, and
we probably just forgot, truthfully, probably for God. Joel was
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a good call. Laura, you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Go ahead, sweetheart.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Hi Michael, Thanks so much for doing this. I think
it's so great to bring awareness for adoption because there's
so many facets to it. I'm an adoptee back from
the sixties as well as Joel, and we've come a
long way since then. I about thirty years ago, did
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search for my birth parents because there was a great
need to know where I came from, and that was
hard on my parents, and I just want to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Say that.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It doesn't mean anything about how much you love your
parents or how much what a great life they've given
you if you do decide to search for your roots
and your identity. I think it's important to say that
because I think that a lot of times parents feel
(30:03):
like if we were good parents, then they wouldn't want
to search. But I think that searching is just natural
for some, not for all, and there just needs to
be more mental health support for adopted parents and adoptees
to go to navigate these waters. Do you know what
(30:24):
I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I mean, let's look at let's look at the infrastructure
that was built up around illegal immigration. The government contracted with, Well,
the Catholics don't like me to say who they contracted with,
so I'm not going to say to create this, this
sort of pipeline, this sort of Harriet Tubman, except this
one's illegal pipeline. I mean technically that was illegal at
(30:48):
the time. I do think that it would be that
it tends to be kind of balkanized. There are actually
a lot of good people out there in the adoption world,
as you know, the random lawyer over here, and there's
no money in it, so it's hard to get legal
resources for it. The Pelchian does good work there, there
(31:11):
are different people doing good work. It would be great
if there was a little more coordination because I get
a lot of people who come to me and they say, hey,
we want to get started. They don't know what to do.
We need a lot more foster parents, I mean children.
It's not a child's fault that their parents are messed
up for whatever reason. But even if, even if, just
(31:32):
to save society, we need more people to foster, and
there are a lot of people who would love to
they just don't know how to get started. So yeah,
I agree with that. It'd be better just the public
information and kind of a little better coordination.
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