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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time time, time, time, Luck and Load from.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Michael Vari Show is on the air live rob Television
SETI at Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm gonna listen to the story about a man Na.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The mountain near bat has really focused on the cartels
and international narco terrorists, and we've been talking about the
Venezuelan state, which is a Narco state. But you know what,
I found it troubling for years that we were involved
in a forever war for twenty years in Afghanistan. And
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one of the reasons is, well, they sent heroin here,
they traffic drugs, and of course we saw Americans dying
at a pace that was so disturbing, and it was
supposedly one of the reasons to prevent the these illicit
drugs from entering our streets and killing our people. And
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President Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument
has always been, if you're concerned about drugs in America's streets,
it's the cartels.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But you know, I read.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
An interview with a CIA officer several years ago and
he said, let me tell you the difference between the
cartels and everything else. If you speak ill of Trump,
if you speak ill of Peutin. If you speak ill
of Zelenski or the Chinese or North Korea, then you
just don't go to their country, and you'll be fine.
If you speak ill of the cartels, they're on your
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street in America. They have so infiltrated America. They are
the most dangerous threat to America. There is far more
violence by the cartels in Mexico than there is the
Hutis in South Yemen or any group of insurgents in Iraq,
or the Taliban or ISIS or l Shabab or anything else,
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and yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now.
So we wanted an expert on the issue, and so
the name who came to our attention is a senior
fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundation and their initiative,
which is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy
Foundation's head went on to be the head of the
Heritage Foundation today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not
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some think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby
for war or a place where failed politicians go to
retire in cash in for a while. They do serious work,
and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin
Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran,
both as an enlisted soldier and as a commissioned officer,
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a unique thing you don't see that often. He's been
in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon leader on
Operation lone Star, Adjoint Military Laenforcement operation to enhance border
security and public safety in Texas. He's serious about our
border security, particularly as it relates to the cartels.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Thank you so much, sir for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So let's talk about how bad the threat is from
the cartels, and how much of that is coming across
the border in trucks and buses and cars, and how
much of that is walking across the border, how much
of that is seaborn and all the various ways that
they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans
and guns as well.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah. Sure, I'm going to go back to one of
your first statements in regards to Afghanistan. So in twenty eighteen,
after the Taliban controlled or contested about six percent of
the districts in Afghanistan, right, and that was enough quote
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unquote justification for us to keep our military perpetually engaged there, right,
But if you looked actually at a map, there was
a map that was leaked in out of Mexico from
the military department there in twenty nineteen that showed that
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the Mexican cartels at that time controlled fifty seven point
five percent of the populated areas, and then we're in
contestant with the Mexican military and also federal authorities in
twenty three point three percent of the rest of the areas.
That means that the federal government only had control over
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nineteen percent of their country. And yet we actually didn't
do anything at that time period. In twenty nineteen, if
you remember, the Mormons from massacred in Mexico, and there
were a lot of talks about desneting the Mexican cartels
as foreign terish organizations. However, unfortunately trade took precedent over security.
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The cartels were never designated as such, and we signed
the US Mexico Canada Agreement, our foreign Trade Agreement for Churman,
and so fast forward to today. Unfortunately we really don't
know how much the cartels actually control of Mexico. There
was the current party that currently exists, I mean that
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is currently in charge of Mexico as the Marina Party
led by Sean Bawn and the president. However, one of
their deputies, Hugo Flores, came out about a month ago
and stated that seventy percent of the politicians in the
government is controlled by the cartels and so, and that's
actually part of their current regime or their party coming
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out and making that bold statement. So here we sit
today and we discuss about what is coming into our streets,
how they're getting it into our streets. What's interesting is
if you go to Texas, it's going to be very
different than if you go to stay like California, Arizona
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and Mexico, where they actually have national defense areas long
and border that pe hex Death was given charge to
take control over and secure and obtain operations to control
of those areas. However, in Texas, over ninety percent of
our southern border is actually private property, and so those
national defense areas can only cover about sixty some miles
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in Olpasso, roughly the Rio Grande River. The coast Guard
is down there, but only on the river, not inland land,
and so the rest of it is just wide open,
and much like Afghanistan, since cartels are foreign terarish organizations,
they control the population in Mexico. They do it through
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a high level of violence. In fact, they are the
fourth most violent country in the world right now. That
is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though it
is a conflict as declared by Scrumpi said that it's
a non international armed conflict. But they're the fourth most
violent country in the world. But on our side, you're
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not going to really see that. You're going to see
that the cartels are very very intelligent and that they
utilize every other non kinetic or asymmetric means to control
the areas so that they can distribute their commodities throughout
the United States. And so along the southern border they
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do it through a coercion or corruption. And so here
you imagine you or anyone in your audience is a
rancher face, like a seventh generational Texan rancher, and you're
there on the southern border. You have the cattle or
whatever you have, and the border patrol or the military
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has to get permission to either build a wall, put
up a tech any tech apparatus to try to obtain
domain awareness or operation of security on the border and
they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you,
as a landowner an auction. You can either go against
the cartels by allowing the federal governments to put whatever
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they need your on your property, or you work both.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You work at cartel and which force.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The world as we know, Michael end of the world, Mexico.
Annon Blair is our guest. He's with the Texas Public
Policy Foundation, and this issue does not go away anytime soon.
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I believe that this is one of President Trump's top priorities,
and I believe that he is one of the few
individuals in either party who is serious about solving it.
And that is that one of the most powerful criminal organizations,
and I don't just mean in terms of on paper
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or a sophisticated cyber element. I mean actual muscle. Actual
muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is our
guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Emmen, I had to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You were talking about these farmers and they're given a
choice basically pitch in with the government or pitch in
with the cartels. And talk about what a conundrum that
is for those folks.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's real. I mean those are of you who are
veterans of the global war ontaris and whether you're in
Iraq refinissance, you realize that when you going into an
area and you speak either with the tribal elder or
or what have you, and you're discussing them with like
a key leader engagement as what you call them, and
you're like, you're you're talking with them about bringing in
you know, the reconstruction platforms and whatnot, and in security,
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and at the end of the day, like if you
cannot secure their village, if you cannot secure the people,
then of course they're going to choose the Taiban. Same
thing on the board. If we cannot secure or protect
our citizens from any incursions from the Mexican cartels, then
they're going to choose the cartels. Then you mentioned something
that they're they're very powerful. We can pick that down
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a little bit. They control our airspace. What I mean
by that is just a new real Grand Valley alone.
This last ciscal year, they had over forty thousand from
Joan incursionments and we just hosted over the Department War
just hosted seven days ago a symposium to try to
figure out how to counter uas given the current consumer
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off the shelf products that are readily available that we
now see like in the Ukraine Russian war and on
our southern border. Well many also don't realize is that
the Mexican cartels also went and fought for Ukraine and
to learn Joane warfare, to learn the latest and so
what we're seeing now. If you if you want to
see the Ukraine battlefund, all you have to do is
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go to Mexico because they're now utilizing a lot of
the same technology, the same drones, and in fact, they're
utilizing fiber optic drones in Mexico now, so that we
cannot take them down with electronic warfare. It has to
be taken down kinetically. So that's just one aspect.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Gematically is a word that means our suns would be
boots on the ground getting shot at, right.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It kinetically also means like if you want to take
down Journey, gonn have shoot it down. I don't know
how good you guys are at You know, maybe if
you go dove hunting and you got there and how
good you are dove hunting. But this drone, these drones,
especially first person drones can operate at such a speed
that it's almost impossible to shoot them down. And that's why,
like the shotgun is a preferred method as that it
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can spray you know the bucks Hutton, and so it's
very difficult. And also given our laws, we're not allowed
especially in law Texas law enforcement or Texas Military Department
are not allowed to share in the home. It takes
a lot of authority and authorizations to for us to
shoot down or take down or drone. And so a
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lot of these drones are going unimputed and they have
counter uas capabilities as well. The same stuff that you're
seeing in Ukraine battlefront is what you're now seeing in Mexico.
And so they've taken down or drones both connecting by
shooting one down or by using electronic warfare and so
and then communications, but the cartails are powerful. They they
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are in sixty five other countries. In order to communicate
across the globe for six direct countries, you must have
military grade communication systems, and that is what they have
as well as the spyware anything that the country of
Mexico receives. Because the Mexican cartails are embedded at the
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subnational level, all the ways in the national level, any
spyware that the Mexican government receives or purchases, the cartels
now have. Therefore, since Mexico purchased Pegasus from Israel, the
cartels have access to Pegasus. And and so when you
look at all these uh military level great equipment, whether
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that's telecommunications, fiber across every domain, air land speed as
they're utilizing uh dug Narco submarines that are now uh
main German by themselves, and self driving. And so when
you're when you're seeing this level of technology, and then
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you realize they don't have any bureaucracy or red tape
and go through in order to make those purchases. They
can also three D print the drones. We have a
very large issue. And then when it comes to personnel,
like you said that farmer or rancher on the border.
There's a recent study in Mexico that showed that the
cartels are the fifth largest employer in Mexico. Now, when
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we think about in the US, how many people does
it take to move millions of in the aliens across
the United States? How many nodes in every state, in
every city, in every neighborhood. Does it take to move
a human being? Wow, to tommute a new narcotic, to
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launder money, to do all forms of illicit ilicit goods?
How many people resources, vehicles, dash houses? And you then
realize when you break it down like that, that just
as you said, they're just as the CIA officer told
you before. But it's not a Mexico problem. It's not
even a border problem. They're at your front door. And unfortunately,
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if you've been a victim of poisoning from opioids, they're
in your house.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's I can't tell you. Emmon Blair is
our guest.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, where he is
a senior Fellow on the initiative known as Secure and
Sovereign Nation. It's it has affected so many Middle America families.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's it's a suburban white kid problem. It's an inner
city black kid problem. It's a first generation Hispanic kid problem.
We've seen Indian kids who were valic dorn of their
class overdosing on fentanyl and it's literally the first time
they try it and they think it's a piece of candy,
and their buddy says, you know you're a nerd. Stop
being a nerd. Try this and it's literally the first
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drug they've tried. And you know, I wouldn't normally believe that,
but law enforced monsters tell me it's absolutely true. A
drug the size of a tip of a pin can
be enough to.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do the damage. And it's.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
A frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid,
you only get one shot at that and the ability
to do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
This kind of damage is horrifying.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Emmon Blair is our guest Senior Fellow for the Texas
Public Policy Foundation.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain
scared the death of you, and they remain scared to
death of true to Michael Barry shows, You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
The cartels have become a major focus of the Trump administration,
and I think rightfully so, I find it interesting that
politicians campaign on the basis that drugs are this big
of a problem and that we need to just say no.
Under the regular administration, we need to deal with the
drugs on our streets and the drug dealers and the listen,
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drugs are a big, big business. And anything that becomes
a big business, whether that be the pharmaceutical desire to
become billionaires off of a shot that the government requires
you take or you lose your job and the taxpayers
end up paying for, or whether it becomes drugs, or
the trafficking of children, which I think is also big,
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or the trafficking of guns, but the trafficking of all
of them through a sophisticated business network. The important thing
to understand is that the cartels are not Goober's and Dupesis.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They're very, very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Emman if you could talk about their business processes, because
that's one of the things that I've had CI officers
tell me that you wouldn't believe these guys. People have
this impression of this, you know, rag tag Mexican organization.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
No, no, these guys are sharp.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah. So if your listeners can go and watch the
Narcos and you'll see how like Pablo esc Bar in Colombia, right,
and how he was super violent. Right. But many people
don't talk about the Cali Cartel, which was also in
that scene and also traffic cocaine, and cartel utilized counterintelligence.
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They actually had a supercomputer and they utilized counter intelligence,
and they're the population to these the population to conduct
counter intelligence on the entire population, their law enforcement every
measure against them, and and so fast forward to today,
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the Mexican cartels inside the United States have taken that
same counterintelligence model. They operate in every one of our
every one of our neighborhoods, in every one of our communities. However,
they do sell through intermediaries, dub contractors and contractors. What
do I mean by that? While they need a degree
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of separation. Whenever our law enforcement catches somebody that it
never goes back to Mexico. And so the Mexican cartels
as I as like, imagine how many people it would
take to move their products across the United States. Mexican
cartels set up nodes or a cell infrastructure just like
isis would. In these cells, they are completely compartmentalized and
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meaning they're blocked off from any other of the other operations.
Then the Mexican cartels will try to either utilize their
illegally and thean population as they are beholden to them
and they are so objects to the cartels because they
are indebted to them as servants or slaves, or they'll
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utilize American citizens, which is even a better cover because
when you go after the when you say like you
go and like here in Houston recently, we had forty
one people indicted by the Cartel Holisk in the New
Generation for narcotics trafficking one because of the car of
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how the cartels operate and how they have so many
degrees of separation. The investigation took sixty two months. We
indicted over forty only twenty three were apprehended and then
they were bailed and bonded out. And none of them
were actually quote unquote Cartel Holisk and New Generation members.
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They were all intermediaries, contractors, and subcontractors. So the people
that are behind the scenes as puppet masters orchestrating the
entire illesit illicit tra aid, orchestrating this gray zone conflict
within our own communities and within the United States, are
doing so within their own the comfort to their own
home inside of Mexico also protected by the Mexican government.
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And they're able to do that because of the They
literally built a kind of like their own Belton Road Initiative,
the logistics supply chain, just like what the CCP does
across the world. The PRC, the People's Republic of China
does across the world, where they have their own Belton
Road initiative. The cartels have been doing this since the
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nineteen nineties, have built the entire infrastructure in supply chain
to move anything they want inside the United States completely,
make it completely compartmentalized, and then move all proceeds and
funds through Chinese banking systems so that we can't even
track it. And so that is why it's so difficult.
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If you look today, since the Trumpertanenthry has disney to
the matter's foreign terras organizations, there's only been three indictments
so far against the Mexican cartels for material support of
foreign terais organizations. That is how difficult it is. Once
a local law enforcement, a state law enforcement, or someone
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else arrests the low hanging fruit of those that are
either running the drugs, selling jugs in the streets or whatnot,
because they have completely compartmentalized every entire every part of
their system. That's why it takes five years of worth
of investigations to try to indict someone.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, and to talk about your central point, which is
the most frightening of them all. The idea that I
think you said seventy percent of law enforcement is in
the employee of the cartels. And and you know, you
see this particularly in countries where law enforcement is so
underpaid vis a v. Their neighbors there, and where corruption
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as a culture is more tolerated than it is here.
And you don't have your IAD departments in your local
police and you don't have your your audit and internal
investigation departments where there is a fear of what might happen.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's horrifying to think that there's no one from the
state representing the people to put a stop on this,
and that the people who've been put in that position
are working against you. So the taxpayers are paying for
the very people enabling this. And by the way, I
think we're seeing this today in the United States, where
you're getting the mayor of actually today itself, the Mayor
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of Minnesota, of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, saying that the Minneapolis
police will not assist ice and that they will work
against them. We've seen that with the mayor of Chicago.
And this is how this is how communities and countries fall,
and this is how criminal elements fill that gap. And
that's what I find incredibly just disturbing about all of
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this is that we see the tendencies here because as
you noted that the cartels are not idiots, they're very smart,
and a lot of people, the avarice within a person
who intended to do well takes over and they realize, Hey,
if the cop beside me is taking bribes, and the
cop beside me on this side's taking bribes, and they
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can afford boats and cars and nice things, and I can't,
and no one seems to care that I'm the honest guy,
I'm the the odd man out because of it, then
why wouldn't I take bribes? Well, over a period of time,
it becomes that even the best of cops, with the
best of intentions are being bought out by the cartels.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And that's where I think there's no way to fix it, because.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Even people now, the person who wants to fix it
on Thursday, well as of Monday, he was compromised, so
to fix it would also expose him. And then I
think you end up in a situation like that where
it becomes almost an unfixable loop. We'll continue our conversation
for one final segment with Ammon Blair, who is the
Senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundations Secure and
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Sovereign Nation Initiative. I'm going to start with the question
if the cartel mobilizes as an army, and if you
could get them to work together, because they do, like
the Afghan tribes, fight against each other. But if you
could get them to work together as an army, how
powerful are they in terms of firearms and training and execution?
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What a maroon.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
An.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
We've been talking about a subject that has interested President
Trump and he has made a top priority, and that
is dealing with criminal organizations coming into this country. Organizations
that are not just outside government, but have some level
of at least tacit involvement, if not funding or approval
by the government. We know that Venezuela is at the
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top of his list today as an arco state, but
Mexico has to be dealt with. They share a common
border from Texas to California. They are the gateway through
which people land to make their way into the United States.
They share the border that we most have to close,
not the sole border, but the border we most have
to close. And the cartel's activity in that country is
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killing Americans trafficking children, women, drugs, guns. Emmin Blair is
our guest today, the senior fellow for the Texas Policy
Foundations Secure and Sovereign Nation Initiative. Let me ask you, Ammon,
as I teased going into the break, if they organized
and could work together as an army to confront our
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military forces, how powerful are they because I know they
have I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this.
They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of
warriors with training, with all sorts of of armaments.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
But speak to that if you would, sure A great question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I mean, I mean they're not. It's capable, of course,
as in the US, but they could completely take over
multiple countries in the Western Hemisphere. And they're choosing Nazi
because they are part of the government. Now, if it
were ever to come down to it where the federal
government can tried to completely separate ties with them, kind
of like what we had like in the eighties nineties
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in Columbia where they worked for that actually worked with
the US government to eradicate Pablo Escobar, you know, the
Mediane cartel. And if that were the case, it's already
been proven that even one cartel like Cartel Holiscon Generation
in twenty fifteen took down a helicopter, took out the military.
And then in twenty nineteen on Black Thursday, the Sinaloa
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Cartel took out the military in law enforcement and in
Sinaloa and improved and then made Ammo bend Nie and
it proved that just one cartel could take out then.
And just like we learned in insertaencies worldwide, if you
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can control the population, really can control that movement. And
as I said about, they're the fifth largest employer inside
of Mexico, that includes all those that are cultivating their
narcotics and everyone else, their engineers, their cicca audios, they're
foot soldiers, their white collar folk that are hanging the finances,
lawyers and you name it. And so they are. They
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would be able to be like a nation state in
terms of as they have everything that is needed to
take on other foreign countries. They already have the intelligence
apparatuses in the spyware, they already have the telecommunication systems,
they already have the personality equipment of money. They have
more money than a majority of countries, and they and
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their procurement process and their learning process can be expedited
since they don't have bureaucracy or rules, no rules of engagement.
The only rules of engagement as it stands now is
they don't want the full force the military on Mexico
because we would crush them. And so that is why
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inside of the US they do everything what we call
a raison conflict, everything below the threshold of war. And
because US as Americans have such a misunderstanding of what
the term war means, we have a problem with either
taking out cartels in the Caribbean when they're conducting actual
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drug warfare in the United States. And so, because of
our lack of understanding why actually what war is, they're
already in a war with us. They're they're enacting drug
warfare as a hybrid threat network with the CCP and
with other like with the Hakani network. They have ties
with Hebela, and then because they're ties with Venezuela, they
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now have ties with I ran the country itself in Russia.
In fact, there are a lot of Russian delegates in Mexico,
and in fact, Harvard did a study on that just
recently on is the spy network place of residency is
now Mexico, and so their level of power and control
to take out other nation states is completely is completely accurate.
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Now can they do that with us? Well, they be
able to do it in certain ways. They'll be able
to probably do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to
place a lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic
that they sold and gave that command to the street
pedlars like the bloods in the crypts, to them thirteen
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to every one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries,
that everything they produce or push out must have a
lethal dose. Then, since they also control the agricultural trade,
they control all forms of agriculture. Every avocado you eat,
everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating
a blood avocado. The cartel's control completely control their agricultural trade,
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from avocados, lines to the cattle, and so all they
would have to do, since they already mixed crystal meth
or cocaine in the loads when they come across with
their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try to
hide it, all they would have to do is put
lethal doses in every one of the produce, parritos, you
name it, everything that's coming across at a ports of entry,
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and they could have mass genoside. Just as he said earlier,
just that little speckle piece of sentinel the size of
the end of your pan or pencil could kill someone.
Imagine if that was in everything, everything that we imported
from the state of Mexico, it would be mass genocide.
And so in terms of guns and firepower and tanks
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and other communications, yeah, they do have that, and they
get that from the Guatemala military or Russia or whoever
supplying their arms and weapons and as well as straw
purchases in the US. When you look at all the
asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, if
they can utilize anything a weapon, as what China talks
about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine where anything can be
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a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This
is a threat that we need to take very seriously,
and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult
confrontation because they're not going to go lightly, especially because
this is big business and when you have this many
billion dollars at play. People have a lot of resources,
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and they're not simply going to go quietly into the
good night. They like their money, they worked hard to
earn it, and they're going to protect it. And there
is no value to human life of anyone who gets
in their way. Emmon Blair, thank you for your time,
good sir, And thank you to state representative and congressional
candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm
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very interested in the work you're doing on this subject,
and I hope you continue. It's very very import Thank you,
good sir.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
The mountain near bat has really focused on the cartels
and international narco terrorists, and we've been talking about the
Venezuelan state, which is a Narco state. But you know what,
I found it troubling for years that we were involved
in a forever war for twenty years in Afghanistan. And
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one of the reasons is, well, they sent heroin here,
they traffic drugs, and of course we saw Americans dying
at a pace that was so disturbing, and it was
supposedly one of the reasons to prevent the these illicit
drugs from entering our streets and killing our people. And
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President Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument
has always been, if you're concerned about drugs in America's streets,
it's the cartels.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But you know, I read.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
An interview with a CIA officer several years ago and
he said, let me tell you the difference between the
cartels and everything else. If you speak ill of Trump,
if you speak ill of Peutin. If you speak ill
of Zelenski or the Chinese or North Korea, then you
just don't go to their country, and you'll be fine.
If you speak ill of the cartels, they're on your
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street in America. They have so infiltrated America. They are
the most dangerous threat to America. There is far more
violence by the cartels in Mexico than there is the
Hutis in South Yemen or any group of insurgents in Iraq,
or the Taliban or ISIS or l Shabab or anything else,
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and yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now.
So we wanted an expert on the issue, and so
the name who came to our attention is a senior
fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundation and their initiative,
which is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy
Foundation's head went on to be the head of the
Heritage Foundation today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not
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some think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby
for war or a place where failed politicians go to
retire in cash in for a while. They do serious work,
and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin
Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran,
both as an enlisted soldier and as a commissioned officer,
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a unique thing you don't see that often. He's been
in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon leader on
Operation lone Star, Adjoint Military Laenforcement operation to enhance border
security and public safety in Texas. He's serious about our
border security, particularly as it relates to the cartels.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Thank you so much, sir for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So let's talk about how bad the threat is from
the cartels, and how much of that is coming across
the border in trucks and buses and cars, and how
much of that is walking across the border, how much
of that is seaborn and all the various ways that
they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans
and guns as well.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah. Sure, I'm going to go back to one of
your first statements in regards to Afghanistan. So in twenty eighteen,
after the Taliban controlled or contested about six percent of
the districts in Afghanistan, right, and that was enough quote
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unquote justification for us to keep our military perpetually engaged there, right,
But if you looked actually at a map, there was
a map that was leaked in out of Mexico from
the military department there in twenty nineteen that showed that
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the Mexican cartels at that time controlled fifty seven point
five percent of the populated areas, and then we're in
contestant with the Mexican military and also federal authorities in
twenty three point three percent of the rest of the areas.
That means that the federal government only had control over
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nineteen percent of their country. And yet we actually didn't
do anything at that time period. In twenty nineteen, if
you remember, the Mormons from massacred in Mexico, and there
were a lot of talks about desneting the Mexican cartels
as foreign terish organizations. However, unfortunately trade took precedent over security.
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The cartels were never designated as such, and we signed
the US Mexico Canada Agreement, our foreign Trade Agreement for Churman,
and so fast forward to today. Unfortunately we really don't
know how much the cartels actually control of Mexico. There
was the current party that currently exists, I mean that
(05:13):
is currently in charge of Mexico as the Marina Party
led by Sean Bawn and the president. However, one of
their deputies, Hugo Flores, came out about a month ago
and stated that seventy percent of the politicians in the
government is controlled by the cartels and so, and that's
actually part of their current regime or their party coming
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out and making that bold statement. So here we sit
today and we discuss about what is coming into our streets,
how they're getting it into our streets. What's interesting is
if you go to Texas, it's going to be very
different than if you go to stay like California, Arizona
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and Mexico, where they actually have national defense areas long
and border that pe hex Death was given charge to
take control over and secure and obtain operations to control
of those areas. However, in Texas, over ninety percent of
our southern border is actually private property, and so those
national defense areas can only cover about sixty some miles
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in Olpasso, roughly the Rio Grande River. The coast Guard
is down there, but only on the river, not inland land,
and so the rest of it is just wide open,
and much like Afghanistan, since cartels are foreign terarish organizations,
they control the population in Mexico. They do it through
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a high level of violence. In fact, they are the
fourth most violent country in the world right now. That
is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though it
is a conflict as declared by Scrumpi said that it's
a non international armed conflict. But they're the fourth most
violent country in the world. But on our side, you're
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not going to really see that. You're going to see
that the cartels are very very intelligent and that they
utilize every other non kinetic or asymmetric means to control
the areas so that they can distribute their commodities throughout
the United States. And so along the southern border they
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do it through a coercion or corruption. And so here
you imagine you or anyone in your audience is a
rancher face, like a seventh generational Texan rancher, and you're
there on the southern border. You have the cattle or
whatever you have, and the border patrol or the military
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has to get permission to either build a wall, put
up a tech any tech apparatus to try to obtain
domain awareness or operation of security on the border and
they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you,
as a landowner an auction. You can either go against
the cartels by allowing the federal governments to put whatever
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they need your on your property, or you work both.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You work at cartel and which force.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The world as we know, Michael end of the world, Mexico.
Annon Blair is our guest. He's with the Texas Public
Policy Foundation, and this issue does not go away anytime soon.
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I believe that this is one of President Trump's top priorities,
and I believe that he is one of the few
individuals in either party who is serious about solving it.
And that is that one of the most powerful criminal organizations,
and I don't just mean in terms of on paper
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or a sophisticated cyber element. I mean actual muscle. Actual
muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is our
guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Emmen, I had to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You were talking about these farmers and they're given a
choice basically pitch in with the government or pitch in
with the cartels. And talk about what a conundrum that
is for those folks.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's real. I mean those are of you who are
veterans of the global war ontaris and whether you're in
Iraq refinissance, you realize that when you going into an
area and you speak either with the tribal elder or
or what have you, and you're discussing them with like
a key leader engagement as what you call them, and
you're like, you're you're talking with them about bringing in
you know, the reconstruction platforms and whatnot, and in security,
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and at the end of the day, like if you
cannot secure their village, if you cannot secure the people,
then of course they're going to choose the Taiban. Same
thing on the board. If we cannot secure or protect
our citizens from any incursions from the Mexican cartels, then
they're going to choose the cartels. Then you mentioned something
that they're they're very powerful. We can pick that down
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a little bit. They control our airspace. What I mean
by that is just a new real Grand Valley alone.
This last ciscal year, they had over forty thousand from
Joan incursionments and we just hosted over the Department War
just hosted seven days ago a symposium to try to
figure out how to counter uas given the current consumer
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off the shelf products that are readily available that we
now see like in the Ukraine Russian war and on
our southern border. Well many also don't realize is that
the Mexican cartels also went and fought for Ukraine and
to learn Joane warfare, to learn the latest and so
what we're seeing now. If you if you want to
see the Ukraine battlefund, all you have to do is
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go to Mexico because they're now utilizing a lot of
the same technology, the same drones, and in fact, they're
utilizing fiber optic drones in Mexico now, so that we
cannot take them down with electronic warfare. It has to
be taken down kinetically. So that's just one aspect.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Gematically is a word that means our suns would be
boots on the ground getting shot at, right.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It kinetically also means like if you want to take
down Journey, gonn have shoot it down. I don't know
how good you guys are at You know, maybe if
you go dove hunting and you got there and how
good you are dove hunting. But this drone, these drones,
especially first person drones can operate at such a speed
that it's almost impossible to shoot them down. And that's why,
like the shotgun is a preferred method as that it
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can spray you know the bucks Hutton, and so it's
very difficult. And also given our laws, we're not allowed
especially in law Texas law enforcement or Texas Military Department
are not allowed to share in the home. It takes
a lot of authority and authorizations to for us to
shoot down or take down or drone. And so a
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lot of these drones are going unimputed and they have
counter uas capabilities as well. The same stuff that you're
seeing in Ukraine battlefront is what you're now seeing in Mexico.
And so they've taken down or drones both connecting by
shooting one down or by using electronic warfare and so
and then communications, but the cartails are powerful. They they
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are in sixty five other countries. In order to communicate
across the globe for six direct countries, you must have
military grade communication systems, and that is what they have
as well as the spyware anything that the country of
Mexico receives. Because the Mexican cartails are embedded at the
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subnational level, all the ways in the national level, any
spyware that the Mexican government receives or purchases, the cartels
now have. Therefore, since Mexico purchased Pegasus from Israel, the
cartels have access to Pegasus. And and so when you
look at all these uh military level great equipment, whether
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that's telecommunications, fiber across every domain, air land speed as
they're utilizing uh dug Narco submarines that are now uh
main German by themselves, and self driving. And so when
you're when you're seeing this level of technology, and then
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you realize they don't have any bureaucracy or red tape
and go through in order to make those purchases. They
can also three D print the drones. We have a
very large issue. And then when it comes to personnel,
like you said that farmer or rancher on the border.
There's a recent study in Mexico that showed that the
cartels are the fifth largest employer in Mexico. Now, when
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we think about in the US, how many people does
it take to move millions of in the aliens across
the United States? How many nodes in every state, in
every city, in every neighborhood. Does it take to move
a human being? Wow, to tommute a new narcotic, to
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launder money, to do all forms of illicit ilicit goods?
How many people resources, vehicles, dash houses? And you then
realize when you break it down like that, that just
as you said, they're just as the CIA officer told
you before. But it's not a Mexico problem. It's not
even a border problem. They're at your front door. And unfortunately,
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if you've been a victim of poisoning from opioids, they're
in your house.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's I can't tell you. Emmon Blair is
our guest.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, where he is
a senior Fellow on the initiative known as Secure and
Sovereign Nation. It's it has affected so many Middle America families.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's it's a suburban white kid problem. It's an inner
city black kid problem. It's a first generation Hispanic kid problem.
We've seen Indian kids who were valic dorn of their
class overdosing on fentanyl and it's literally the first time
they try it and they think it's a piece of candy,
and their buddy says, you know you're a nerd. Stop
being a nerd. Try this and it's literally the first
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drug they've tried. And you know, I wouldn't normally believe that,
but law enforced monsters tell me it's absolutely true. A
drug the size of a tip of a pin can
be enough to.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do the damage. And it's.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
A frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid,
you only get one shot at that and the ability
to do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
This kind of damage is horrifying.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Emmon Blair is our guest Senior Fellow for the Texas
Public Policy Foundation.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain
scared the death of you, and they remain scared to
death of true to Michael Barry shows, You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
The cartels have become a major focus of the Trump administration,
and I think rightfully so, I find it interesting that
politicians campaign on the basis that drugs are this big
of a problem and that we need to just say no.
Under the regular administration, we need to deal with the
drugs on our streets and the drug dealers and the listen,
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drugs are a big, big business. And anything that becomes
a big business, whether that be the pharmaceutical desire to
become billionaires off of a shot that the government requires
you take or you lose your job and the taxpayers
end up paying for, or whether it becomes drugs, or
the trafficking of children, which I think is also big,
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or the trafficking of guns, but the trafficking of all
of them through a sophisticated business network. The important thing
to understand is that the cartels are not Goober's and Dupesis.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They're very, very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Emman if you could talk about their business processes, because
that's one of the things that I've had CI officers
tell me that you wouldn't believe these guys. People have
this impression of this, you know, rag tag Mexican organization.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
No, no, these guys are sharp.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah. So if your listeners can go and watch the
Narcos and you'll see how like Pablo esc Bar in Colombia, right,
and how he was super violent. Right. But many people
don't talk about the Cali Cartel, which was also in
that scene and also traffic cocaine, and cartel utilized counterintelligence.
(17:34):
They actually had a supercomputer and they utilized counter intelligence,
and they're the population to these the population to conduct
counter intelligence on the entire population, their law enforcement every
measure against them, and and so fast forward to today,
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the Mexican cartels inside the United States have taken that
same counterintelligence model. They operate in every one of our
every one of our neighborhoods, in every one of our communities. However,
they do sell through intermediaries, dub contractors and contractors. What
do I mean by that? While they need a degree
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of separation. Whenever our law enforcement catches somebody that it
never goes back to Mexico. And so the Mexican cartels
as I as like, imagine how many people it would
take to move their products across the United States. Mexican
cartels set up nodes or a cell infrastructure just like
isis would. In these cells, they are completely compartmentalized and
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meaning they're blocked off from any other of the other operations.
Then the Mexican cartels will try to either utilize their
illegally and thean population as they are beholden to them
and they are so objects to the cartels because they
are indebted to them as servants or slaves, or they'll
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utilize American citizens, which is even a better cover because
when you go after the when you say like you
go and like here in Houston recently, we had forty
one people indicted by the Cartel Holisk in the New
Generation for narcotics trafficking one because of the car of
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how the cartels operate and how they have so many
degrees of separation. The investigation took sixty two months. We
indicted over forty only twenty three were apprehended and then
they were bailed and bonded out. And none of them
were actually quote unquote Cartel Holisk and New Generation members.
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They were all intermediaries, contractors, and subcontractors. So the people
that are behind the scenes as puppet masters orchestrating the
entire illesit illicit tra aid, orchestrating this gray zone conflict
within our own communities and within the United States, are
doing so within their own the comfort to their own
home inside of Mexico also protected by the Mexican government.
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And they're able to do that because of the They
literally built a kind of like their own Belton Road Initiative,
the logistics supply chain, just like what the CCP does
across the world. The PRC, the People's Republic of China
does across the world, where they have their own Belton
Road initiative. The cartels have been doing this since the
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nineteen nineties, have built the entire infrastructure in supply chain
to move anything they want inside the United States completely,
make it completely compartmentalized, and then move all proceeds and
funds through Chinese banking systems so that we can't even
track it. And so that is why it's so difficult.
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If you look today, since the Trumpertanenthry has disney to
the matter's foreign terras organizations, there's only been three indictments
so far against the Mexican cartels for material support of
foreign terais organizations. That is how difficult it is. Once
a local law enforcement, a state law enforcement, or someone
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else arrests the low hanging fruit of those that are
either running the drugs, selling jugs in the streets or whatnot,
because they have completely compartmentalized every entire every part of
their system. That's why it takes five years of worth
of investigations to try to indict someone.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, and to talk about your central point, which is
the most frightening of them all. The idea that I
think you said seventy percent of law enforcement is in
the employee of the cartels. And and you know, you
see this particularly in countries where law enforcement is so
underpaid vis a v. Their neighbors there, and where corruption
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as a culture is more tolerated than it is here.
And you don't have your IAD departments in your local
police and you don't have your your audit and internal
investigation departments where there is a fear of what might happen.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's horrifying to think that there's no one from the
state representing the people to put a stop on this,
and that the people who've been put in that position
are working against you. So the taxpayers are paying for
the very people enabling this. And by the way, I
think we're seeing this today in the United States, where
you're getting the mayor of actually today itself, the Mayor
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of Minnesota, of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, saying that the Minneapolis
police will not assist ice and that they will work
against them. We've seen that with the mayor of Chicago.
And this is how this is how communities and countries fall,
and this is how criminal elements fill that gap. And
that's what I find incredibly just disturbing about all of
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this is that we see the tendencies here because as
you noted that the cartels are not idiots, they're very smart,
and a lot of people, the avarice within a person
who intended to do well takes over and they realize, Hey,
if the cop beside me is taking bribes, and the
cop beside me on this side's taking bribes, and they
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can afford boats and cars and nice things, and I can't,
and no one seems to care that I'm the honest guy,
I'm the the odd man out because of it, then
why wouldn't I take bribes? Well, over a period of time,
it becomes that even the best of cops, with the
best of intentions are being bought out by the cartels.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And that's where I think there's no way to fix it, because.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Even people now, the person who wants to fix it
on Thursday, well as of Monday, he was compromised, so
to fix it would also expose him. And then I
think you end up in a situation like that where
it becomes almost an unfixable loop. We'll continue our conversation
for one final segment with Ammon Blair, who is the
Senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundations Secure and
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Sovereign Nation Initiative. I'm going to start with the question
if the cartel mobilizes as an army, and if you
could get them to work together, because they do, like
the Afghan tribes, fight against each other. But if you
could get them to work together as an army, how
powerful are they in terms of firearms and training and execution?
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What a maroon.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
An.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
We've been talking about a subject that has interested President
Trump and he has made a top priority, and that
is dealing with criminal organizations coming into this country. Organizations
that are not just outside government, but have some level
of at least tacit involvement, if not funding or approval
by the government. We know that Venezuela is at the
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top of his list today as an arco state, but
Mexico has to be dealt with. They share a common
border from Texas to California. They are the gateway through
which people land to make their way into the United States.
They share the border that we most have to close,
not the sole border, but the border we most have
to close. And the cartel's activity in that country is
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killing Americans trafficking children, women, drugs, guns. Emmin Blair is
our guest today, the senior fellow for the Texas Policy
Foundations Secure and Sovereign Nation Initiative. Let me ask you, Ammon,
as I teased going into the break, if they organized
and could work together as an army to confront our
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military forces, how powerful are they because I know they
have I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this.
They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of
warriors with training, with all sorts of of armaments.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
But speak to that if you would, sure A great question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I mean, I mean they're not. It's capable, of course,
as in the US, but they could completely take over
multiple countries in the Western Hemisphere. And they're choosing Nazi
because they are part of the government. Now, if it
were ever to come down to it where the federal
government can tried to completely separate ties with them, kind
of like what we had like in the eighties nineties
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in Columbia where they worked for that actually worked with
the US government to eradicate Pablo Escobar, you know, the
Mediane cartel. And if that were the case, it's already
been proven that even one cartel like Cartel Holiscon Generation
in twenty fifteen took down a helicopter, took out the military.
And then in twenty nineteen on Black Thursday, the Sinaloa
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Cartel took out the military in law enforcement and in
Sinaloa and improved and then made Ammo bend Nie and
it proved that just one cartel could take out then.
And just like we learned in insertaencies worldwide, if you
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can control the population, really can control that movement. And
as I said about, they're the fifth largest employer inside
of Mexico, that includes all those that are cultivating their
narcotics and everyone else, their engineers, their cicca audios, they're
foot soldiers, their white collar folk that are hanging the finances,
lawyers and you name it. And so they are. They
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would be able to be like a nation state in
terms of as they have everything that is needed to
take on other foreign countries. They already have the intelligence
apparatuses in the spyware, they already have the telecommunication systems,
they already have the personality equipment of money. They have
more money than a majority of countries, and they and
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their procurement process and their learning process can be expedited
since they don't have bureaucracy or rules, no rules of engagement.
The only rules of engagement as it stands now is
they don't want the full force the military on Mexico
because we would crush them. And so that is why
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inside of the US they do everything what we call
a raison conflict, everything below the threshold of war. And
because US as Americans have such a misunderstanding of what
the term war means, we have a problem with either
taking out cartels in the Caribbean when they're conducting actual
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drug warfare in the United States. And so, because of
our lack of understanding why actually what war is, they're
already in a war with us. They're they're enacting drug
warfare as a hybrid threat network with the CCP and
with other like with the Hakani network. They have ties
with Hebela, and then because they're ties with Venezuela, they
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now have ties with I ran the country itself in Russia.
In fact, there are a lot of Russian delegates in Mexico,
and in fact, Harvard did a study on that just
recently on is the spy network place of residency is
now Mexico, and so their level of power and control
to take out other nation states is completely is completely accurate.
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Now can they do that with us? Well, they be
able to do it in certain ways. They'll be able
to probably do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to
place a lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic
that they sold and gave that command to the street
pedlars like the bloods in the crypts, to them thirteen
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to every one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries,
that everything they produce or push out must have a
lethal dose. Then, since they also control the agricultural trade,
they control all forms of agriculture. Every avocado you eat,
everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating
a blood avocado. The cartel's control completely control their agricultural trade,
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from avocados, lines to the cattle, and so all they
would have to do, since they already mixed crystal meth
or cocaine in the loads when they come across with
their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try to
hide it, all they would have to do is put
lethal doses in every one of the produce, parritos, you
name it, everything that's coming across at a ports of entry,
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and they could have mass genoside. Just as he said earlier,
just that little speckle piece of sentinel the size of
the end of your pan or pencil could kill someone.
Imagine if that was in everything, everything that we imported
from the state of Mexico, it would be mass genocide.
And so in terms of guns and firepower and tanks
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and other communications, yeah, they do have that, and they
get that from the Guatemala military or Russia or whoever
supplying their arms and weapons and as well as straw
purchases in the US. When you look at all the
asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, if
they can utilize anything a weapon, as what China talks
about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine where anything can be
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a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This
is a threat that we need to take very seriously,
and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult
confrontation because they're not going to go lightly, especially because
this is big business and when you have this many
billion dollars at play. People have a lot of resources,
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and they're not simply going to go quietly into the
good night. They like their money, they worked hard to
earn it, and they're going to protect it. And there
is no value to human life of anyone who gets
in their way. Emmon Blair, thank you for your time,
good sir, And thank you to state representative and congressional
candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm
(31:55):
very interested in the work you're doing on this subject,
and I hope you continue. It's very very import Thank you,
good sir.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
As always, we appreciate your support for the show, and
we appreciate your suggestions as to people who are interesting
to talk to. If someone's on another show and you
find them to be interesting, go free send us an email.
If it's a message worth hearing, then we want to
amplify it. People who are doing interesting things we want
(32:25):
to talk to because if we're interested in
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It for here, you are as well.
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