November 25, 2025 • 33 mins
Michael Berry continues his discussion with Chad Norville, CEO of Rigzone.com, about job trends, tech innovations, and why energy remains the backbone of the economy. Perfect for veterans, job seekers, and anyone curious about the future of oil and gas.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Is on the air. So I want to know you
think Robert F. Kennedy Junior is the metal field is
our guest.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
He's the CEO of rigzone dot com and if you
go to the website you'll see that in addition to
be a marketplace from the industry, not the outside press
that tends to hate energy, the greeny weenies and the
left wingers. It is from within the industry. It is
information about the energy industry. And it's also the largest
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job placement within the industry for all sorts of jobs,
and they're hiring and that's that was the real reason
we reached out to Chadnorville of rigzone dot com as
part of our business Leader Insight series from net Suite
by Oracle, and you, as a CFO can get their
free guide to machine learning in AI and how you
(01:03):
can use it in your own company at NetSuite dot com.
Forward slash berry my last name. I mean, technically you
not put my last name in there, but you make
me look good if you do, and I appreciate it.
NetSuite dot com Forward slash Barry. So you were talking
about AI and the role of AI. And you don't
see that replacing a lot of jobs in the short run.
(01:23):
You see it more as something that employees will just
have to use as a tool.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Is that what I'm hearing you say?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Absolutely? And I can give you an example. Last month,
I was at the Saudi Aramco Gala for the fiftieth
anniversary of Aramco America's in Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It was a fantastic event.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I met a gentleman there who leads their data services,
brilliant guy, double master's double phc from MIT.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He leads data sciences there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
They're just fascinating fellow talking to him, talking to some
other folks at a data science event actually last year,
and they're using AI for some really interesting purposes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
One of them, I can tell you that I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Was interesting is, uh, they're using it looking at machines
to predict when they're going to break down. You know,
it's cash is king, you need your you need to
be producing and so pumps big machinery that they leverage out.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
In the ol field.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
H Being able to tell when those things need you know,
the appropriate time to service them. What when the general
times that they break down under what conditions and what
oil fields and you know what environment.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
These AI models that they're developing can more accurately do
that and it creates more efficiency. So you hear everyone say,
you know, we don't have as many rigs, but they
operate more efficiently. This is part of why they're operating
more efficiently. You know, you hear that and you don't
know what it means. This is what it means. They're
bringing AI to bear and that doesn't mean it's doing
it on its own and a robot is bringing it.
Back to leadership, there are engineers and managers out in
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the field that they're help using AI modeling to optimize wells,
and they're responsible for a group or a field of wells.
They're able to more efficiently and effectively look at all
of that data, make decisions, look at suggestions, look at
past experience, and those models can look at all of
this data significantly more effectively than a person could and
find patterns, find trends. This is what AI is bringing
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to the industry.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Just just one example.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They're using AI to you know, for safety mech you know,
processors looking to see if people are not wearing hard hats.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know, I mean it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
There's a lot of really interesting things that AI is
actually doing. Everyone sees AI or here is it, thinks terminator. No, no, no,
you know we're far from there. I'm not saying we're
not going to get there, but you know, right now,
they're really interesting tools that we can use to our advantage.
I use chat GPT to brainstorm, and as you ask
for an assistant, I'll need one because I have these
(03:45):
AI tools now to create frameworks for code whenever I
need it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Give me a project you were working on where you
did that.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Because I'm not I'm not a big tech person, but
I understand how it can be. Give me a real
life example of when you used it recently.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So just in queries, I can tell it what the
data structures look like and give them, you know, the
information that shows them what data I'm dealing with. Tell
them what's there, and you know, the more experience you
have with it, and the more detailed and the better
the question if you will to the AI, the better
sponsor you're going to get. So a very detailed set
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of information with guidelines or rules.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I gave it that and it was able to.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Write a query that might have taken me forty five
minutes of you know, ironing and ironing out and tweaking.
It was able to do almost instantaneous. Now I've not
got one piece of code or anything back from any
of the big apps. And I use the big three
tools from Google, Tragedy, to and Profit. I'm not getting
anything that's not wrong on the first go. You have
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to look at it, you have to supervise the work,
and I have to change something on every piece. But
it's giving me the head start. It's doing you know,
forty percent minimum of the foundation of the core code,
the framework, and I ask it for framework more than anything,
and then I'll fill and the you know, the pieces
that I know it's not going to do because it
doesn't have experience, it doesn't know that data like I do.
(05:07):
But those that's just one example, you know, just brainstorming anything,
any types of ideas that you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know I was talking about AI on the exone. You know,
we're looking at putting lending.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Pages together around that to show people, you know, like
I said, salary, Well, people can't go and think on
their own with as well, we'll prevent will present them
a bunch of salary information bothure recruiters that are using
our site, are using our recruitment services and for our candidates,
just to get an idea of kind of what are
range is looking like for this type of role. What
does entry level? What is experience? Mid level or senior? Uh,
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you know, we'll generate all of that and create.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It for them.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So I was looking at categories, you know, I had
my idea of what they could be.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Hey, what are some other ones?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I may be overlooking right again? As a brainstorming tool,
it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Brilliant, But I don't want to sound like a shameless
shield for the folks who love our business series at Oracle.
But as you know, that's what NetSuite does is a
CFO needs information and making sense of data. And so
I'm not a person who uses that, but I am
a person who has people who use that. When I
ask my CPA at Deroch Partners, hey can you tell
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me what I should be paying this employee for this level?
They can pull data in a much faster that is
actual data from real data sets and make some sense
of it in so many different ways for me to
make better decisions. And so I think that's what people
you know, I was originally afraid of AI because you know,
there's all the robot movies. But it's going to happen
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one way or another, and it's a question of using
it as a tool. I mean, I don't know how
old you are. I'm fifty four. When I was a kid,
we were so afraid of technology because technology was going
to be awful. But in most cases, technology has made
my life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We bitch about cell phones, but I can call my
wife while I'm driving home and say, honey, I'll be
home in twenty minutes, and she says, oh great, I
can put the cornbread in, whereas I don't have to
wait to get there.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And I mean it's little things, but it matters, right.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's what Bill Gates said right when I was talking
about the Internet in his early landmark book. You know,
it's like it's going to wash over the world like
a wave, and it has all technology does that. Let's
put the ipund it. Look what social media has done,
you know, not always sometimes it is to the detriment,
but in general it makes data accessible and data is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The big differentiator.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You talked about netswe I can tell you just talking
to the folks that are ranking on others that are
leveraging AI for you know, field operations for optimization out
in the field, and wells and drilling and you know
geophysical where are we going to drill?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
All of these types of things.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
One thing that's really important that data scientists are doing
is they're not spending as much time on the modeling.
They're spending more time on the data that's going into
a terabytes, massive exobites, massive amounts of data that's going
in cleaning that data to where.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's actually usable.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's where they're spending a good portion of their time
and expertise is taking all this data that these tools
out in the field spin out and putting it in
a format to where it's actually usable. You know, the
in tech they have a saying garbage and garbage out right.
You got to give it the right things. It's the
same as a question to an AI school a large
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language model. You got to ask it the right questions
and frame it properly, and then you're going to get
some pretty interesting things out of it and it'll really
be useful.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
America is a nation that can be defined in a
single word. How's the Foottham number.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Not only was it authentic frontier jibbery, it expressed their
courage that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Scene of the day of the Michael Berry Show. Chat
Norville is our guest.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He is the CEO of rigzone dot com, which is
a marketplace of information, news, insight analysis on energy jobs
so drilling, refining, downhole, downstream, upstream, midstream investment, and the
largest job placement for people in the energy industry, which
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is so your website, the rigzone dot com says seven
hundred and twenty thousand industry professionals can't be wrong. Is
that how many people accume your site? Or what does
that number represent?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, it's actually small when you consider it from that term.
Seven hundred thousand plus is how many just receive our
daily newsletter every day and we have well over one
hundred and twenty thousand that open it every day. It's
not the same that are opening it every day. We
have success seven hundred thousand different industry professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That get impressions from rig zone every day.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Outside of that, so across emails, the website, all of
our social channels and digital marketing mechanisms, it's broad. It's
vast that you know, we touch a lot of parts
of the industry of you know, across all of our jobs,
news events.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it's vast, to say the least.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's it's just incredible how little information bleeds out that's
truthful and useful to the general public. When this is,
you know, energy, people forget energy. People think of it
as just jobs or just oil or gasoline. At you,
energy is at the core of everything we do, not
just heating and cooling, every product that we use. It's
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just incredible. By the way, I don't know what the
stock market's done today. I haven't checked, but energy is
at the heart of your stock portfolio, which when you retire,
your four oh one K is going The bedrock of
most four oh one K plans today is those safe
blue chip energy stocks. And every you know, the greeny
ones want to attack them. You better hope those companies
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that are called evil and their profits continue to be profitable,
because that's what's holding up your stock price for school
teachers and plumbers and everybody else. And that is easy
to forget. Chad, I wanted you to finish that sentence.
If you remember what you were saying before, I feel
abustered you. And then I want to ask for your
advice for people in the industry. Do you remember what
you were saying or did I did I throw you off?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Okay, well, then let me ask you this. You were
talking about, who's hiring. Let's start with entry level.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Let's say I get a lot of emails from people
who've just gotten out of the military, and they say,
what should I do? Where should I go? Who's hiring?
They want a career, not just a job, right, so
they don't want to go do fast food. They want
to start in a career. And I tell people find
a job in energy because the upsides are crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What do you say to that guy he just got
out of the Marines.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, So, first and foremost, the very explicit oiling gas
roles and training and education, it's going to be there
for a long time as long as someone at that point.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Would be able to fulfill a career with it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So, whether that's patrol engineering or mechanical engineering focus on
the oil and gas geology, chemical engineering, and elexico engineering
focusing on oiling gas, those things are going to be there.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
For the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I mean for the next twenty fifty I would guess
at least, you know, like I said, emerging markets are
coming online, we're not going to see a significant change
and at least the demand side of oiling gas for
a good while. So I think they could still fulfill
a strong career.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Some people might be reticent to go get a patrol
engineer degree, so there's gonna be less competition.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
There's a lot of people with a lot of experience.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They're going to be retiring, right the boomers and all
of them have already started to. But there's going to
be openings and opportunities there for those folks. You know,
there's a lot of opportunities still in those fields. So
I would tell them you probably have more opportunity because
they just can be more demand for you because.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It'll be fear of you.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Aside from that, if you are concerned and you're wanting
something more transferable.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We talked earlier about the tech roles. Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, electrical and instrumentation are massive and you don't
have to get a full BATCHURST degree to do that.
You could get an associates or certification. So for electrical, uh,
there's electrical engineering technology, power distribution technicians are in massive demand,
huge old services companies.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I know right now, are you jumping.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
At the bits to get power distribution folks? Power plant technology,
energy systems, Uh, industrial maintenance technology, so you can be.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
A maintenance tech.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They're massive demand and they're transferable skills.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Uh. Those are Socialist agree certifications.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
There's a certify, there's a power systems tech, electrical power
distributions certifications. I know those are out there, Uh, industrial electricians.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We could do any of those things, right.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That could be as little as three or six months
on those certifications and you could get a job. There
are those roles out there for those folks, and they'd
love to train you up. And like I said, it's transferable.
You could do a lot of different things. A lot
of industries you know, require those skills on the instrumentation
and you know you talked earlier about valves automatically changing again,
what that's PLC programming right, it's uh the programma programmable
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logic controllers. Right, These automation and control technologies, same thing.
You can get an SSI's degree and instrumentation or controls automation.
Their robotics technology which is cool that goes into a ROV.
We have huge companies we work with that just focus
on that. Oceaneering is huge in that space. There's a
few other companies we work with they do as well. Obviously,
electrical engineering you don't have to have a double E.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's a fantastic degree. I would encourage you to get
it if you have the time and the means.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But you can get an electrical engineering technology associates and
those remainman's placing here too, and instrument places and automate
automation roles. So, uh, those are associates degree spent two years.
These are uh, you know your grant from the military
and go do that. You need to work and you
want to do something shorter term. The certifications and automation
and instrumentation too, there's systems tech certifications, there's automation professionals. Uh,
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you can get a PLC Programming certification. Those exist for
someone coming in. Those are really highly transferable skills and
things that aren't massively time consuming.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
To go get a certification or associate's degree on the
government that you've earned and you know, we appreciate you
and please take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would say that for that person from the military
looking into it, those are you know, good skills that
are going to be there no matter what happens at
set your mind at ease. If you were concerned about
the industry, which I'm not. You mentioned certifications earlier, if
you have worked in the old pats at all, or
you have some kind of experience around certain things. API
American Patrolment Institute, which is a massive.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Partner of ours.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Uh, they have really great certification programs. So they do
a lot of inspection, different certifications, so piping, pressure vessels,
tank inspectors, you know, HSS related things and inspections always
going to be really.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Highly needed and sought after.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So those are really good certifications to get Q.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
One and Q two.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is more of a senior professional type of role,
but those are great certifications at API as well. It's
you know, designing implementing quality management systems. It's kind of
in line with the ISO.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And so do you go to API to get that certification?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, you reach out to them and they have folks
on staff and be more than happy to talk to
you about what your experience has been and you know
what might fit starting from SCRATS. I don't know that
those would necessarily be useful you'd probably be more. Those
are folks probably that have been around it or have
a little more experience.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But again you could talk to them.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I don't know from the ground up, but you know,
they all have available, like I said, the other associates
and certifications or things I know a bit more.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
About where I think they could get right in without
any experience in any of those technologies.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone dot com and
they have job postings there in the energy industry. I
get a lot of emails from you folks out there
looking for a job that have just come out of
the military, and this is where I'll send you more
with Chad Noorville of rigszone dot com coming up as
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part of our continuing series of Insights from business Leaders.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Actually they call it ramon do you know what oracle?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
They call it success from scratch and they heard what
we're doing with business leaders. We had Russell Leaborrow last
week and they loved it, and so they said, we
would love to just sponsor your show and tie in
because of what we do. Over forty one thousand businesses
of upgraded to netsuitet bio Oracle. They use their AI
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and machine learning to make better decisions, especially CFOs, which
is why netsweet dot com forward slash berries where you
can find that netsuitet dot com forward slash berry, especially
if you're a CFO looking for more help assessing, understanding,
making sense of all the data you have. Let me
ask you an operational question. Do you say Norville or
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do you say Norville?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Everyone says Norville. My grandfather told me it was Norville.
I'll respond to either.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm producer?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Where'd you go? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Deer Park?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Good Park? High School?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Did you know Andy Pettitt?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No, I've been around him. He was a little before me.
I'm mid forties, so he was a little older. But yeah,
so I'm a church you know, my cousin's, my in
laws go to his church, and so you know, I'd
see all around a lot. But you know, we weren't friends,
friends or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
In that nata.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Did you ever find yourself stopping and marveling at how
high he kicked his right leg when he would throw
those big looping curveballs.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh yeah, amazing? Right, So you know who else did that? Ramon?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You might know are you a baseball.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Fan, Chad, Oh, of course he's finn so uh.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There was a picture for the Oakland A's named Barry
he had he was a lefty. He also what Zeno
berry Zito he also had that You never see right
handed pitchers do this. They have that pitch that feels like,
I mean, it looks to me when you see the
ball coming in, it looks like the ball came from
behind their head, like in the in the ball of
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your neck. And it's just just big, looping, off speed
pitch that gives batters fits. And Pettit had it, and
Barry Zito had it. And by the way, for anybody
out there listening, I have a number of mutual friends
with Andy Pettitt who have politely explained to him that
I would like to be his best in and it
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hasn't worked out yet, and so I don't know how
to do that without it being weird.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Just hold on, Chad, this is very important.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
But since you're from Deer Park, I need to get
somebody out there is going to be close friends with Andy,
and it's going to say, oh, I'll put y'all together,
and then it's just going to happen. And he can
work on my pitching mechanics. Did you play baseball?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I did.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Did you play soccer in high school if you went
on to play college?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, yeah, of course, but like everyone, you play all
the sports and you kind of end up sticking with
what you're best at. So I was pretty fast and
pretty good at soccer, so the rest went away.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know, what was your height in high school? What
did you graduate at?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I was just sort of six foot and probably won
seventy five.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Ramon says, if you say just under six foot, you
were actually five ten. You don't know him enough to
say that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'll be at least five eleven, okay, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What was your forty time? Would you guess?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think at my peak I probably touched four five
in the four fives for six four seven was easy?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Hold on, you think you ran a forty in high
school at four or five?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, no, probably right after high school when I went
to college.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's humming for a white boy. That's fast.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean, okay, I think I probably hit a high
four or five at some point. I never did, but
I'm assuming I probably could have at some point at
my peak of fitness level. I'm projecting.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'll admit, don't have fref of that. I know.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
If you know, look, if you were fast, you know
you were fast. I mean, I don't think a guy's
going to say there were four or five. If you
know they played a line, you know for Nebraska, that
means you were fast.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm not doubting it.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I'm saying I'm putting a mark on this moment so
that I think about it later that that I'm putting
a ribbon on it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
That's a big deal. Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
So then you go off to Iowa to in Sioux
City at the little school you wouldn't hardly give me
the name of. And then where did you go from there?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So it had some Japanese affiliation in the nineties they
had a great depression basically, so started pulling out money
and had accreditation issues. You know, I was making pretty good,
good grades. I didn't want to stick around for that,
so I transferred that U of AH got into programming.
Like I said, I was doing a joint program on
chemical plant operations. So I fum one credit shy of
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having an associate scree and that I was going to
program SCATA and do that for the plants it was
kind of thinking at the time, but then I started
really liking the computer programming, and uh so I kind
of let that go and ended up finishing my bechelor
science degree and information systems, and then I got an MBA.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Where did you get your MBA?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
T H Phila?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And then were you working at the time?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I was.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I was going to score at night for AT and T,
which was an amazing experience because the space program was
the Shuttle program was still going in full force. Of
my mentors were double PhDs, you know, directors of the
International Space Station before it was called Space Station Freedom.
That was one of my mentors. So it was really interesting.
I got to do that and talk to those folks.
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And then I got to you know, at AT and T
developed some code and programs that kind of got some
attention and ended up meeting some of the C suite
folks who kind of took.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Me under their wing. And Karen Jennings, who was Times
twenty five most influential women.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Helped me out a bit, and you know, just took
advantage of different opportunities when they rose.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's the whole thing, right, It's about you know, it's
about playing ball. Whenever the course of time.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Of course, what did your dad do construction? So your
interest in computer programming?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And I asked this because I had no interest in
computers or certainly not making it figuring out how one worked.
What do you think sparked the interesting computer program because
I my nephew does it, and I think it's a
great field. By the way, Oh, by the way, chat,
I don't know if you're hiring or not, but my
nephew needs a job. He just graduated from Lamar with
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like a three eight. It's my brother, my late brother's son,
and he's starting to work on his NBA. And if
you were to hire him as part of this interview,
that'd be great. When it ramoned, Ramon said, that'd be great.
I'm just kidding you, but I am looking for him
at job.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Pressure Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Pressure at all. You don't have to make the decision
right now. I'll send you the his resume during the break.
But here's what's weird. And I tell him his name
is Braiden. Braiden, what made you want to be a
computer programmer? Our family is cops and oil fill workers
and one guy who talks on the radio. You literally
have nobody in our family who can do anything more
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than turn a computer on, and that's a big deal.
Like why it's just so odd to me that people
have that interest. I guess just because it doesn't come
naturally to me. Maybe that's the reason we're talking to
Chad Norville or Norville of rigzone dot com and we
will continue our conversation with him coming.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Up street.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Michael Bay Good Show on Baklump.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Rigzone dot com is the site of where the energy
industry goes to find jobs, to post jobs, to get
inside information, to talk about what oil prices are, what
futures are.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Doing, who's buying, who's selling, what the trends are. Rigzone
dot com. They are not a sponsor ramon industry of question,
but they one day will be because it's a perfect partnership.
But that's not why he's our guest. He's our guest
because I've been wanting to talk energy for a while.
So for folks that are simply saying, hey, I don't
have any special skills, I'll go back to my my
marine that just got out. Because this comes up a lot.
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Is there a company I get I might get you
in trouble if you pick one.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But is there a.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Company that you are I mean, can they go to
rigzone and put their information on there and they're gonna
because nobody wants to do monster or any of that anymore.
Somebody wants to get hired right now. They're willing to
work hard, and they're willing to travel as far as Midland,
not further. Well, they'll go Midland to the west and
Homa to the east. Are they going to Is there
a job waiting for them right now?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah? Potentially, I think. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Unfortunately, everything is technology based now, so it's kind of
you know, pay entry paid entry, right. You have to
have a CEV or resume of some sorts and you need.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
To upload it for our website.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You upload it to rigzone, activate your your account, your
cv uh, do some searching, do some applying. You know,
we have AI mechanisms in there that will do what
it can to help you. It will look at what
your qualifications are, it will look at what John tuiteles
you've had previously, or what your experiences are. It will
keep an eye out on those. As long as you
have for instance, emails activated, it will look at those things.
And now it's lots become available that you qualified for,
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it will send you those henks tiered, so it's going
to give you the most optimal job for experiences and
what you're.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Looking for right then.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And then it'll tear down and say, okay, let's step
out a little more broadly and see if there's anything
in the space maybe that you know might work for you.
And then it'll go even more general. So not everything
is going to be on the nose, but it's looking
all the time. So dismiss the ones in an art
that you don't think work. Keep an eye out because
when the ones do, when the market does start picking up,
and like I said earlier, we are a lot of
folks are expecting that to start happening. As you know,
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all of these unleased American energy policies start really taking hold.
In one of those you know I talked about some
of the policy for the regulations.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And the red tape being removed.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
He gives them thirty days to do this, so some
of us might start happening pretty quick, and the industry
is you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Know, anxious for it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Don't start happening and popping on the website. We start
sending emails those folks as I told you we send thirty.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Million emails a month. That's not spam. Those are people
that wanted to be on our website. If someone's getting
emails because they asked to on our website.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If someone one has a job on our website one
of our recruiters, it's because that is an active job
that they want on our website.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
We don't discouraging each stuff there.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like all these other generalists and other competitors, those are
people we work with. If you see people on our website,
we talked to those companies. Most of them we talked
to for a long time and pretty consistently, so you know,
we're doing our best for the candidates to really try
to help them find those roles. On the website, we
have job fares. Go to our events and look at
what job fares are coming up and you can go
and talk to those folks on site. Almost every event
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will have someone that they're looking to train up and give,
you know, entry level without experience, and it's broad right.
There's a lot of different types of roles that we'll
take in and they'll train you up.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Some of them are a little harder.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You have to have certifications for some kind of training
in order to do it. Like electricity, there's liability issues.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
They can't just take anyone.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But there are a lot of other types of roles,
you know, floral and decads. A lot of people make
a lot of money in this industry that started kind
of at the bottom and worked their way up. And
you can do it quickly, you know in some instances.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So they're still offshore. There's floating production.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
There's engineering and procurement and construction, right, they call them
PPC companies, UH, ministriam pipelines. There's welding, massive you know,
mechanics surely high demand, like very high demand.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Actually engineering designs.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, there's just so many ULSO equipment, cranes, operators, you know,
heavy machinery operators. Last year, I saw that job at
our job fairs as much.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
As any job probably. Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
You just you know, operate a hiding machinery. You have
experience doing that in the military.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Imagine that are out there. Yeah, and hey those are
the real toys.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
If you can drive a tang uh and and veer
away from IEDs under fire, air and ground assault, then yeah,
I think you can operate this piece of equipment for uh.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
One of the rig Zone.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Dot Com sponsors one of the companies out in the
ol FIL. I didn't think about that, but I mean
talk about an experience. But a lot of guys in
your industry tell me that they consciously look for veterans
because these are guys that work on a team, that
make sacrifice, that are disciplined, that are tough, and it's
something that is an ideal set of talents, particularly for
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that field.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, so look for our industry and every industry says this, but.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You know they say communication.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's almost a cliche, right, communications, and you know, the intangibles,
those are off the chart for these folks, right, They're
like the best of the best when it comes to
those skills, those off the paper skills, if you will.
So they absolutely, you know, want those those types of candidates.
When we we did one in San Antonio last year,
I belive this last year.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
We do them every year.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They're pretty much but we did one out there and
they focus on Eagle Forward. But we had the there's
a lot of military influence as San Antonio, right, they
have bases out there, and the NSA has people out
there that work with UTSA.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My son's actually studying.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Cybersecurity at UTSA, it's about to be a senior So
that's why because they're one of the few institutions in
the United States that has a relationship with the NESSA. Uh,
but they have a lot of military personnel there. So
for the job there, we reached out to all those
organizations and look, these companies.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Would love to talk to you. Please come out and
have a conversation with them and see if there's something
there for you. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, I would encourage our military and ex military
to always come to our job fairs and talk to
those folks because they are wanted, they're highly regarded, and
they're you know, strong employees. But I think most of
our companies are.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Absolutely you know, love to have and like I said.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
There are there's a lot of things that you can
do in the military. It's not just like an infantry
in the front. There's you know, people do communications, that
do technology, they do heavy machinery, and those were all
heavily required skills and roles in our industry.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You know. Like I said, I I can say without
a doubt I need tech.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And heavy machinery operator and operators and other types of machinery.
Those are for the last twelve months, I've seen those
up the job.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Fairs, probably more than any of the other roles.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's interesting, and you foresee that continuing for some time.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, I would. It would even more so, right the
quantity of them.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You would have other roles that would be equally needed
as things start kicking off again, when or Trump's policies
really start taking hold.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I would see more of the other types of roles.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
In addition to those, But those wouldn't be falling back, right,
the others would just be gaining and quantity.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So yeah, that's not going to change. It's still those
needs are going to be there out in the wherever.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Maybe on our ol filled or it maybe on a
it could be. There's a lot of different variants, like
I said, Praines, and you know, all kinds of different machinery.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It is.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
It's so interesting because the energy industry being such a
critical part of our economy. You know, you think of healthcare,
you think of energy, think of agriculture.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I mean, these are the big ones.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And it affects every aspect of our lives, from the
gas we put in our car to every product on
your desk, every plastic, every implant, every you know, fluid.
It all comes from the energy industry and then it
underpins your four oh one K, your retirement, your investments.
But it's also of critical importance, and particularly to me,
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because you don't have a job, then politics matters a
lot less to you than putting food on the table.
And that's why I wanted to talk to rigzone dot com. Chadnorville.
You are a great guest. I appreciate you devoting so
much time to us. Let's talk again, and next time
you're having a job fair here in Houston, if you'll
shoot me an email, I will gladly promote it on
the air because that helps our people.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we do Houston at least at least three times
a year, sometimes four.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So we have one there March fifth.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
All right, as we get closer, I will is it
free to somebody to the to the interviewee, to the prospect.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, our candidates and professionals, it's absolutely free. We recommend
you sign up, you know, create an account on rig zone,
upload your CV, you know, set that up, and then
you know, sign up register for the event because you
know we'll get you right in whatever you say.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because they're busy Houston especially.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yes, and I'd love to hear this. So Chad, I'm
up against a break. Thank you for being our guest.
Thank you for doing a short notice. Chad Norville, rig
zone dot com
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Is on the air. So I want to know you
think Robert F. Kennedy Junior is the metal field is
our guest.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
He's the CEO of rigzone dot com and if you
go to the website you'll see that in addition to
be a marketplace from the industry, not the outside press
that tends to hate energy, the greeny weenies and the
left wingers. It is from within the industry. It is
information about the energy industry. And it's also the largest
(00:42):
job placement within the industry for all sorts of jobs,
and they're hiring and that's that was the real reason
we reached out to Chadnorville of rigzone dot com as
part of our business Leader Insight series from net Suite
by Oracle, and you, as a CFO can get their
free guide to machine learning in AI and how you
(01:03):
can use it in your own company at NetSuite dot com.
Forward slash berry my last name. I mean, technically you
not put my last name in there, but you make
me look good if you do, and I appreciate it.
NetSuite dot com Forward slash Barry. So you were talking
about AI and the role of AI. And you don't
see that replacing a lot of jobs in the short run.
(01:23):
You see it more as something that employees will just
have to use as a tool.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Is that what I'm hearing you say?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Absolutely? And I can give you an example. Last month,
I was at the Saudi Aramco Gala for the fiftieth
anniversary of Aramco America's in Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It was a fantastic event.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I met a gentleman there who leads their data services,
brilliant guy, double master's double phc from MIT.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He leads data sciences there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
They're just fascinating fellow talking to him, talking to some
other folks at a data science event actually last year,
and they're using AI for some really interesting purposes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
One of them, I can tell you that I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Was interesting is, uh, they're using it looking at machines
to predict when they're going to break down. You know,
it's cash is king, you need your you need to
be producing and so pumps big machinery that they leverage out.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
In the ol field.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
H Being able to tell when those things need you know,
the appropriate time to service them. What when the general
times that they break down under what conditions and what
oil fields and you know what environment.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
These AI models that they're developing can more accurately do
that and it creates more efficiency. So you hear everyone say,
you know, we don't have as many rigs, but they
operate more efficiently. This is part of why they're operating
more efficiently. You know, you hear that and you don't
know what it means. This is what it means. They're
bringing AI to bear and that doesn't mean it's doing
it on its own and a robot is bringing it.
Back to leadership, there are engineers and managers out in
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the field that they're help using AI modeling to optimize wells,
and they're responsible for a group or a field of wells.
They're able to more efficiently and effectively look at all
of that data, make decisions, look at suggestions, look at
past experience, and those models can look at all of
this data significantly more effectively than a person could and
find patterns, find trends. This is what AI is bringing
(03:10):
to the industry.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Just just one example.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They're using AI to you know, for safety mech you know,
processors looking to see if people are not wearing hard hats.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know, I mean it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
There's a lot of really interesting things that AI is
actually doing. Everyone sees AI or here is it, thinks terminator. No, no, no,
you know we're far from there. I'm not saying we're
not going to get there, but you know, right now,
they're really interesting tools that we can use to our advantage.
I use chat GPT to brainstorm, and as you ask
for an assistant, I'll need one because I have these
(03:45):
AI tools now to create frameworks for code whenever I
need it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Give me a project you were working on where you
did that.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Because I'm not I'm not a big tech person, but
I understand how it can be. Give me a real
life example of when you used it recently.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So just in queries, I can tell it what the
data structures look like and give them, you know, the
information that shows them what data I'm dealing with. Tell
them what's there, and you know, the more experience you
have with it, and the more detailed and the better
the question if you will to the AI, the better
sponsor you're going to get. So a very detailed set
(04:20):
of information with guidelines or rules.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I gave it that and it was able to.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Write a query that might have taken me forty five
minutes of you know, ironing and ironing out and tweaking.
It was able to do almost instantaneous. Now I've not
got one piece of code or anything back from any
of the big apps. And I use the big three
tools from Google, Tragedy, to and Profit. I'm not getting
anything that's not wrong on the first go. You have
(04:44):
to look at it, you have to supervise the work,
and I have to change something on every piece. But
it's giving me the head start. It's doing you know,
forty percent minimum of the foundation of the core code,
the framework, and I ask it for framework more than anything,
and then I'll fill and the you know, the pieces
that I know it's not going to do because it
doesn't have experience, it doesn't know that data like I do.
(05:07):
But those that's just one example, you know, just brainstorming anything,
any types of ideas that you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know I was talking about AI on the exone. You know,
we're looking at putting lending.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Pages together around that to show people, you know, like
I said, salary, Well, people can't go and think on
their own with as well, we'll prevent will present them
a bunch of salary information bothure recruiters that are using
our site, are using our recruitment services and for our candidates,
just to get an idea of kind of what are
range is looking like for this type of role. What
does entry level? What is experience? Mid level or senior? Uh,
(05:39):
you know, we'll generate all of that and create.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It for them.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So I was looking at categories, you know, I had
my idea of what they could be.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Hey, what are some other ones?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I may be overlooking right again? As a brainstorming tool,
it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Brilliant, But I don't want to sound like a shameless
shield for the folks who love our business series at Oracle.
But as you know, that's what NetSuite does is a
CFO needs information and making sense of data. And so
I'm not a person who uses that, but I am
a person who has people who use that. When I
ask my CPA at Deroch Partners, hey can you tell
(06:12):
me what I should be paying this employee for this level?
They can pull data in a much faster that is
actual data from real data sets and make some sense
of it in so many different ways for me to
make better decisions. And so I think that's what people
you know, I was originally afraid of AI because you know,
there's all the robot movies. But it's going to happen
(06:32):
one way or another, and it's a question of using
it as a tool. I mean, I don't know how
old you are. I'm fifty four. When I was a kid,
we were so afraid of technology because technology was going
to be awful. But in most cases, technology has made
my life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We bitch about cell phones, but I can call my
wife while I'm driving home and say, honey, I'll be
home in twenty minutes, and she says, oh great, I
can put the cornbread in, whereas I don't have to
wait to get there.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And I mean it's little things, but it matters, right.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's what Bill Gates said right when I was talking
about the Internet in his early landmark book. You know,
it's like it's going to wash over the world like
a wave, and it has all technology does that. Let's
put the ipund it. Look what social media has done,
you know, not always sometimes it is to the detriment,
but in general it makes data accessible and data is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The big differentiator.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You talked about netswe I can tell you just talking
to the folks that are ranking on others that are
leveraging AI for you know, field operations for optimization out
in the field, and wells and drilling and you know
geophysical where are we going to drill?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
All of these types of things.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
One thing that's really important that data scientists are doing
is they're not spending as much time on the modeling.
They're spending more time on the data that's going into
a terabytes, massive exobites, massive amounts of data that's going
in cleaning that data to where.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's actually usable.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's where they're spending a good portion of their time
and expertise is taking all this data that these tools
out in the field spin out and putting it in
a format to where it's actually usable. You know, the
in tech they have a saying garbage and garbage out right.
You got to give it the right things. It's the
same as a question to an AI school a large
(08:07):
language model. You got to ask it the right questions
and frame it properly, and then you're going to get
some pretty interesting things out of it and it'll really
be useful.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
America is a nation that can be defined in a
single word. How's the Foottham number.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Not only was it authentic frontier jibbery, it expressed their
courage that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Scene of the day of the Michael Berry Show. Chat
Norville is our guest.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He is the CEO of rigzone dot com, which is
a marketplace of information, news, insight analysis on energy jobs
so drilling, refining, downhole, downstream, upstream, midstream investment, and the
largest job placement for people in the energy industry, which
(08:50):
is so your website, the rigzone dot com says seven
hundred and twenty thousand industry professionals can't be wrong. Is
that how many people accume your site? Or what does
that number represent?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, it's actually small when you consider it from that term.
Seven hundred thousand plus is how many just receive our
daily newsletter every day and we have well over one
hundred and twenty thousand that open it every day. It's
not the same that are opening it every day. We
have success seven hundred thousand different industry professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That get impressions from rig zone every day.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Outside of that, so across emails, the website, all of
our social channels and digital marketing mechanisms, it's broad. It's
vast that you know, we touch a lot of parts
of the industry of you know, across all of our jobs,
news events.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it's vast, to say the least.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's it's just incredible how little information bleeds out that's
truthful and useful to the general public. When this is,
you know, energy, people forget energy. People think of it
as just jobs or just oil or gasoline. At you,
energy is at the core of everything we do, not
just heating and cooling, every product that we use. It's
(09:54):
just incredible. By the way, I don't know what the
stock market's done today. I haven't checked, but energy is
at the heart of your stock portfolio, which when you retire,
your four oh one K is going The bedrock of
most four oh one K plans today is those safe
blue chip energy stocks. And every you know, the greeny
ones want to attack them. You better hope those companies
(10:15):
that are called evil and their profits continue to be profitable,
because that's what's holding up your stock price for school
teachers and plumbers and everybody else. And that is easy
to forget. Chad, I wanted you to finish that sentence.
If you remember what you were saying before, I feel
abustered you. And then I want to ask for your
advice for people in the industry. Do you remember what
you were saying or did I did I throw you off?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Okay, well, then let me ask you this. You were
talking about, who's hiring. Let's start with entry level.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Let's say I get a lot of emails from people
who've just gotten out of the military, and they say,
what should I do? Where should I go? Who's hiring?
They want a career, not just a job, right, so
they don't want to go do fast food. They want
to start in a career. And I tell people find
a job in energy because the upsides are crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What do you say to that guy he just got
out of the Marines.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, So, first and foremost, the very explicit oiling gas
roles and training and education, it's going to be there
for a long time as long as someone at that point.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Would be able to fulfill a career with it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So, whether that's patrol engineering or mechanical engineering focus on
the oil and gas geology, chemical engineering, and elexico engineering
focusing on oiling gas, those things are going to be there.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
For the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I mean for the next twenty fifty I would guess
at least, you know, like I said, emerging markets are
coming online, we're not going to see a significant change
and at least the demand side of oiling gas for
a good while. So I think they could still fulfill
a strong career.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Some people might be reticent to go get a patrol
engineer degree, so there's gonna be less competition.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
There's a lot of people with a lot of experience.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They're going to be retiring, right the boomers and all
of them have already started to. But there's going to
be openings and opportunities there for those folks. You know,
there's a lot of opportunities still in those fields. So
I would tell them you probably have more opportunity because
they just can be more demand for you because.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It'll be fear of you.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Aside from that, if you are concerned and you're wanting
something more transferable.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We talked earlier about the tech roles. Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, electrical and instrumentation are massive and you don't
have to get a full BATCHURST degree to do that.
You could get an associates or certification. So for electrical, uh,
there's electrical engineering technology, power distribution technicians are in massive demand,
huge old services companies.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I know right now, are you jumping.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
At the bits to get power distribution folks? Power plant technology,
energy systems, Uh, industrial maintenance technology, so you can be.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
A maintenance tech.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They're massive demand and they're transferable skills.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Uh. Those are Socialist agree certifications.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
There's a certify, there's a power systems tech, electrical power
distributions certifications. I know those are out there, Uh, industrial electricians.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We could do any of those things, right.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That could be as little as three or six months
on those certifications and you could get a job. There
are those roles out there for those folks, and they'd
love to train you up. And like I said, it's transferable.
You could do a lot of different things. A lot
of industries you know, require those skills on the instrumentation
and you know you talked earlier about valves automatically changing again,
what that's PLC programming right, it's uh the programma programmable
(13:16):
logic controllers. Right, These automation and control technologies, same thing.
You can get an SSI's degree and instrumentation or controls automation.
Their robotics technology which is cool that goes into a ROV.
We have huge companies we work with that just focus
on that. Oceaneering is huge in that space. There's a
few other companies we work with they do as well. Obviously,
electrical engineering you don't have to have a double E.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's a fantastic degree. I would encourage you to get
it if you have the time and the means.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But you can get an electrical engineering technology associates and
those remainman's placing here too, and instrument places and automate
automation roles. So, uh, those are associates degree spent two years.
These are uh, you know your grant from the military
and go do that. You need to work and you
want to do something shorter term. The certifications and automation
and instrumentation too, there's systems tech certifications, there's automation professionals. Uh,
(14:04):
you can get a PLC Programming certification. Those exist for
someone coming in. Those are really highly transferable skills and
things that aren't massively time consuming.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
To go get a certification or associate's degree on the
government that you've earned and you know, we appreciate you
and please take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would say that for that person from the military
looking into it, those are you know, good skills that
are going to be there no matter what happens at
set your mind at ease. If you were concerned about
the industry, which I'm not. You mentioned certifications earlier, if
you have worked in the old pats at all, or
you have some kind of experience around certain things. API
American Patrolment Institute, which is a massive.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Partner of ours.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Uh, they have really great certification programs. So they do
a lot of inspection, different certifications, so piping, pressure vessels,
tank inspectors, you know, HSS related things and inspections always
going to be really.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Highly needed and sought after.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So those are really good certifications to get Q.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
One and Q two.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is more of a senior professional type of role,
but those are great certifications at API as well. It's
you know, designing implementing quality management systems. It's kind of
in line with the ISO.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And so do you go to API to get that certification?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, you reach out to them and they have folks
on staff and be more than happy to talk to
you about what your experience has been and you know
what might fit starting from SCRATS. I don't know that
those would necessarily be useful you'd probably be more. Those
are folks probably that have been around it or have
a little more experience.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But again you could talk to them.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I don't know from the ground up, but you know,
they all have available, like I said, the other associates
and certifications or things I know a bit more.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
About where I think they could get right in without
any experience in any of those technologies.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone dot com and
they have job postings there in the energy industry. I
get a lot of emails from you folks out there
looking for a job that have just come out of
the military, and this is where I'll send you more
with Chad Noorville of rigszone dot com coming up as
(16:20):
part of our continuing series of Insights from business Leaders.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Actually they call it ramon do you know what oracle?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
They call it success from scratch and they heard what
we're doing with business leaders. We had Russell Leaborrow last
week and they loved it, and so they said, we
would love to just sponsor your show and tie in
because of what we do. Over forty one thousand businesses
of upgraded to netsuitet bio Oracle. They use their AI
(16:51):
and machine learning to make better decisions, especially CFOs, which
is why netsweet dot com forward slash berries where you
can find that netsuitet dot com forward slash berry, especially
if you're a CFO looking for more help assessing, understanding,
making sense of all the data you have. Let me
ask you an operational question. Do you say Norville or
(17:15):
do you say Norville?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Everyone says Norville. My grandfather told me it was Norville.
I'll respond to either.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm producer?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Where'd you go? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Deer Park?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Good Park? High School?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Did you know Andy Pettitt?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No, I've been around him. He was a little before me.
I'm mid forties, so he was a little older. But yeah,
so I'm a church you know, my cousin's, my in
laws go to his church, and so you know, I'd
see all around a lot. But you know, we weren't friends,
friends or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
In that nata.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Did you ever find yourself stopping and marveling at how
high he kicked his right leg when he would throw
those big looping curveballs.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh yeah, amazing? Right, So you know who else did that? Ramon?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You might know are you a baseball.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Fan, Chad, Oh, of course he's finn so uh.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There was a picture for the Oakland A's named Barry
he had he was a lefty. He also what Zeno
berry Zito he also had that You never see right
handed pitchers do this. They have that pitch that feels like,
I mean, it looks to me when you see the
ball coming in, it looks like the ball came from
behind their head, like in the in the ball of
(18:38):
your neck. And it's just just big, looping, off speed
pitch that gives batters fits. And Pettit had it, and
Barry Zito had it. And by the way, for anybody
out there listening, I have a number of mutual friends
with Andy Pettitt who have politely explained to him that
I would like to be his best in and it
(19:01):
hasn't worked out yet, and so I don't know how
to do that without it being weird.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Just hold on, Chad, this is very important.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
But since you're from Deer Park, I need to get
somebody out there is going to be close friends with Andy,
and it's going to say, oh, I'll put y'all together,
and then it's just going to happen. And he can
work on my pitching mechanics. Did you play baseball?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I did.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Did you play soccer in high school if you went
on to play college?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, yeah, of course, but like everyone, you play all
the sports and you kind of end up sticking with
what you're best at. So I was pretty fast and
pretty good at soccer, so the rest went away.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know, what was your height in high school? What
did you graduate at?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I was just sort of six foot and probably won
seventy five.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Ramon says, if you say just under six foot, you
were actually five ten. You don't know him enough to
say that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'll be at least five eleven, okay, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What was your forty time? Would you guess?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think at my peak I probably touched four five
in the four fives for six four seven was easy?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Hold on, you think you ran a forty in high
school at four or five?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, no, probably right after high school when I went
to college.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's humming for a white boy. That's fast.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean, okay, I think I probably hit a high
four or five at some point. I never did, but
I'm assuming I probably could have at some point at
my peak of fitness level. I'm projecting.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'll admit, don't have fref of that. I know.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
If you know, look, if you were fast, you know
you were fast. I mean, I don't think a guy's
going to say there were four or five. If you
know they played a line, you know for Nebraska, that
means you were fast.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm not doubting it.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I'm saying I'm putting a mark on this moment so
that I think about it later that that I'm putting
a ribbon on it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
That's a big deal. Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
So then you go off to Iowa to in Sioux
City at the little school you wouldn't hardly give me
the name of. And then where did you go from there?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So it had some Japanese affiliation in the nineties they
had a great depression basically, so started pulling out money
and had accreditation issues. You know, I was making pretty good,
good grades. I didn't want to stick around for that,
so I transferred that U of AH got into programming.
Like I said, I was doing a joint program on
chemical plant operations. So I fum one credit shy of
(21:37):
having an associate scree and that I was going to
program SCATA and do that for the plants it was
kind of thinking at the time, but then I started
really liking the computer programming, and uh so I kind
of let that go and ended up finishing my bechelor
science degree and information systems, and then I got an MBA.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Where did you get your MBA?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
T H Phila?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And then were you working at the time?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I was.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I was going to score at night for AT and T,
which was an amazing experience because the space program was
the Shuttle program was still going in full force. Of
my mentors were double PhDs, you know, directors of the
International Space Station before it was called Space Station Freedom.
That was one of my mentors. So it was really interesting.
I got to do that and talk to those folks.
(22:22):
And then I got to you know, at AT and T
developed some code and programs that kind of got some
attention and ended up meeting some of the C suite
folks who kind of took.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Me under their wing. And Karen Jennings, who was Times
twenty five most influential women.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Helped me out a bit, and you know, just took
advantage of different opportunities when they rose.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's the whole thing, right, It's about you know, it's
about playing ball. Whenever the course of time.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Of course, what did your dad do construction? So your
interest in computer programming?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And I asked this because I had no interest in
computers or certainly not making it figuring out how one worked.
What do you think sparked the interesting computer program because
I my nephew does it, and I think it's a
great field. By the way, Oh, by the way, chat,
I don't know if you're hiring or not, but my
nephew needs a job. He just graduated from Lamar with
(23:20):
like a three eight. It's my brother, my late brother's son,
and he's starting to work on his NBA. And if
you were to hire him as part of this interview,
that'd be great. When it ramoned, Ramon said, that'd be great.
I'm just kidding you, but I am looking for him
at job.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Pressure Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Pressure at all. You don't have to make the decision
right now. I'll send you the his resume during the break.
But here's what's weird. And I tell him his name
is Braiden. Braiden, what made you want to be a
computer programmer? Our family is cops and oil fill workers
and one guy who talks on the radio. You literally
have nobody in our family who can do anything more
(23:57):
than turn a computer on, and that's a big deal.
Like why it's just so odd to me that people
have that interest. I guess just because it doesn't come
naturally to me. Maybe that's the reason we're talking to
Chad Norville or Norville of rigzone dot com and we
will continue our conversation with him coming.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Up street.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Michael Bay Good Show on Baklump.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Rigzone dot com is the site of where the energy
industry goes to find jobs, to post jobs, to get
inside information, to talk about what oil prices are, what
futures are.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Doing, who's buying, who's selling, what the trends are. Rigzone
dot com. They are not a sponsor ramon industry of question,
but they one day will be because it's a perfect partnership.
But that's not why he's our guest. He's our guest
because I've been wanting to talk energy for a while.
So for folks that are simply saying, hey, I don't
have any special skills, I'll go back to my my
marine that just got out. Because this comes up a lot.
(25:01):
Is there a company I get I might get you
in trouble if you pick one.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But is there a.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Company that you are I mean, can they go to
rigzone and put their information on there and they're gonna
because nobody wants to do monster or any of that anymore.
Somebody wants to get hired right now. They're willing to
work hard, and they're willing to travel as far as Midland,
not further. Well, they'll go Midland to the west and
Homa to the east. Are they going to Is there
a job waiting for them right now?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah? Potentially, I think. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Unfortunately, everything is technology based now, so it's kind of
you know, pay entry paid entry, right. You have to
have a CEV or resume of some sorts and you need.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
To upload it for our website.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You upload it to rigzone, activate your your account, your
cv uh, do some searching, do some applying. You know,
we have AI mechanisms in there that will do what
it can to help you. It will look at what
your qualifications are, it will look at what John tuiteles
you've had previously, or what your experiences are. It will
keep an eye out on those. As long as you
have for instance, emails activated, it will look at those things.
And now it's lots become available that you qualified for,
(25:55):
it will send you those henks tiered, so it's going
to give you the most optimal job for experiences and
what you're.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Looking for right then.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And then it'll tear down and say, okay, let's step
out a little more broadly and see if there's anything
in the space maybe that you know might work for you.
And then it'll go even more general. So not everything
is going to be on the nose, but it's looking
all the time. So dismiss the ones in an art
that you don't think work. Keep an eye out because
when the ones do, when the market does start picking up,
and like I said earlier, we are a lot of
folks are expecting that to start happening. As you know,
(26:25):
all of these unleased American energy policies start really taking hold.
In one of those you know I talked about some
of the policy for the regulations.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And the red tape being removed.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
He gives them thirty days to do this, so some
of us might start happening pretty quick, and the industry
is you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Know, anxious for it.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Don't start happening and popping on the website. We start
sending emails those folks as I told you we send thirty.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Million emails a month. That's not spam. Those are people
that wanted to be on our website. If someone's getting
emails because they asked to on our website.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If someone one has a job on our website one
of our recruiters, it's because that is an active job
that they want on our website.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
We don't discouraging each stuff there.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like all these other generalists and other competitors, those are
people we work with. If you see people on our website,
we talked to those companies. Most of them we talked
to for a long time and pretty consistently, so you know,
we're doing our best for the candidates to really try
to help them find those roles. On the website, we
have job fares. Go to our events and look at
what job fares are coming up and you can go
and talk to those folks on site. Almost every event
(27:21):
will have someone that they're looking to train up and give,
you know, entry level without experience, and it's broad right.
There's a lot of different types of roles that we'll
take in and they'll train you up.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Some of them are a little harder.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You have to have certifications for some kind of training
in order to do it. Like electricity, there's liability issues.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
They can't just take anyone.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But there are a lot of other types of roles,
you know, floral and decads. A lot of people make
a lot of money in this industry that started kind
of at the bottom and worked their way up. And
you can do it quickly, you know in some instances.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So they're still offshore. There's floating production.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
There's engineering and procurement and construction, right, they call them
PPC companies, UH, ministriam pipelines. There's welding, massive you know,
mechanics surely high demand, like very high demand.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Actually engineering designs.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, there's just so many ULSO equipment, cranes, operators, you know,
heavy machinery operators. Last year, I saw that job at
our job fairs as much.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
As any job probably. Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
You just you know, operate a hiding machinery. You have
experience doing that in the military.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Imagine that are out there. Yeah, and hey those are
the real toys.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
If you can drive a tang uh and and veer
away from IEDs under fire, air and ground assault, then yeah,
I think you can operate this piece of equipment for uh.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
One of the rig Zone.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Dot Com sponsors one of the companies out in the
ol FIL. I didn't think about that, but I mean
talk about an experience. But a lot of guys in
your industry tell me that they consciously look for veterans
because these are guys that work on a team, that
make sacrifice, that are disciplined, that are tough, and it's
something that is an ideal set of talents, particularly for
(29:04):
that field.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, so look for our industry and every industry says this, but.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You know they say communication.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's almost a cliche, right, communications, and you know, the intangibles,
those are off the chart for these folks, right, They're
like the best of the best when it comes to
those skills, those off the paper skills, if you will.
So they absolutely, you know, want those those types of candidates.
When we we did one in San Antonio last year,
I belive this last year.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
We do them every year.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They're pretty much but we did one out there and
they focus on Eagle Forward. But we had the there's
a lot of military influence as San Antonio, right, they
have bases out there, and the NSA has people out
there that work with UTSA.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My son's actually studying.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Cybersecurity at UTSA, it's about to be a senior So
that's why because they're one of the few institutions in
the United States that has a relationship with the NESSA. Uh,
but they have a lot of military personnel there. So
for the job there, we reached out to all those
organizations and look, these companies.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Would love to talk to you. Please come out and
have a conversation with them and see if there's something
there for you. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, I would encourage our military and ex military
to always come to our job fairs and talk to
those folks because they are wanted, they're highly regarded, and
they're you know, strong employees. But I think most of
our companies are.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Absolutely you know, love to have and like I said.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
There are there's a lot of things that you can
do in the military. It's not just like an infantry
in the front. There's you know, people do communications, that
do technology, they do heavy machinery, and those were all
heavily required skills and roles in our industry.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You know. Like I said, I I can say without
a doubt I need tech.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And heavy machinery operator and operators and other types of machinery.
Those are for the last twelve months, I've seen those
up the job.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Fairs, probably more than any of the other roles.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's interesting, and you foresee that continuing for some time.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, I would. It would even more so, right the
quantity of them.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You would have other roles that would be equally needed
as things start kicking off again, when or Trump's policies
really start taking hold.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I would see more of the other types of roles.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
In addition to those, But those wouldn't be falling back, right,
the others would just be gaining and quantity.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So yeah, that's not going to change. It's still those
needs are going to be there out in the wherever.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Maybe on our ol filled or it maybe on a
it could be. There's a lot of different variants, like
I said, Praines, and you know, all kinds of different machinery.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It is.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
It's so interesting because the energy industry being such a
critical part of our economy. You know, you think of healthcare,
you think of energy, think of agriculture.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I mean, these are the big ones.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And it affects every aspect of our lives, from the
gas we put in our car to every product on
your desk, every plastic, every implant, every you know, fluid.
It all comes from the energy industry and then it
underpins your four oh one K, your retirement, your investments.
But it's also of critical importance, and particularly to me,
(32:00):
because you don't have a job, then politics matters a
lot less to you than putting food on the table.
And that's why I wanted to talk to rigzone dot com. Chadnorville.
You are a great guest. I appreciate you devoting so
much time to us. Let's talk again, and next time
you're having a job fair here in Houston, if you'll
shoot me an email, I will gladly promote it on
the air because that helps our people.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we do Houston at least at least three times
a year, sometimes four.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So we have one there March fifth.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
All right, as we get closer, I will is it
free to somebody to the to the interviewee, to the prospect.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, our candidates and professionals, it's absolutely free. We recommend
you sign up, you know, create an account on rig zone,
upload your CV, you know, set that up, and then
you know, sign up register for the event because you
know we'll get you right in whatever you say.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because they're busy Houston especially.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yes, and I'd love to hear this. So Chad, I'm
up against a break. Thank you for being our guest.
Thank you for doing a short notice. Chad Norville, rig
zone dot com
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