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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time, time, time, luck and load. The Michael Verie Show
is on the air.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
After September twelfth, I received a number of calls from folks,
emails from folks people had to be talking to, and
they would say, I didn't realize what turning point was,
or I just knew the name Charlie Kirk, but I
didn't know that much about what he was doing. And
then to a person they said, but I've gone back

(00:35):
and looked at the YouTube videos and this man is
doing something amazing. It's incredible what he was doing. And
then they talk about, you know, being hopeful that this
will launch this organization even bigger, which is of course
what Charlie would have wanted. And I have referred to
him as he said that he wanted to be remembered

(00:56):
as an evangelist, and that is such a powerful not
a political organizer, an evangelist. He was a political organizer,
he was a cultural force, but he was an evangelist
and that's the most important thing. And as I've said,
he was an evangelist on par with Billy Graham, and
I mean that we have another evangelist with us today.
It's our honor to welcome to the program for the

(01:18):
first time, Turning Point Pastor Lucas Miles, Welcome, good stir.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hey, thanks for having me on new book.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Pagan Threat, Confronting America's Godless Uprising. I always ask what
to say. I always start interviews like this, discussions like
this with the first the same question, what do you
hope to accomplish with this?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I hope to bring awareness to I think an
imminent danger in this nation that's already really among us,
and it is what I would call this pagan threat.
Honor to serve Charlie Kirk for the last eighteen months
that or to you, Yeah, you know, kind of introduce
this concept talking about him, and I've been the senior
director of TPOSA faith overseeing the faith arm of Terry

(01:59):
Point USA underneath his leadership, and it's you know, I
have more result now than ever, obviously through the lens
of grief, but we know what the mission is, and
Charlie understood this threat. I believe ultimately it's this threat
that took his life, and that is an intentional esurping
of Christian values and the dominant Christian worldview in this

(02:21):
nation to replace and supplant it with a post Christian
and pagan ideology for a very intentional purpose, in order
to have Marxism embraced. Marxism cannot coexist in a Christian society.
They're antithetical to one another. But if you can supplant

(02:42):
and deconstruct that Christian worldview and replace it with a
marx or with a pagan worldview, and demoralize the American people,
now you have a shot of getting Marxism accepted. And
so we're seeing a very intentional, bought and paid for
revival among a you know, those who to a false
ideology to try to counteract I believe what God's doing

(03:03):
in this nation.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
So obviously we we have this conversation in the shadow
of the Mamdani election. How does that affect a book
that you would have completed before it was clear he
was going to win.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and so you know, Mondani was. I think a
perfect example of this is that we have this intersection
of several things at once. We have this intersection of specifically,
you know, Islamicists and a Marxist and these two things
don't really you know, work together. Muslims and Marxists don't

(03:43):
have the same playbook. But we're seeing with this Marxist
overlay a. You know, it's sort of the the enemy
of my enemy is my friend, and they're finding ways
to work together and to even co identify together to
gain momentum. When you understand that the engine that's driving
so much on the left is what is known as

(04:04):
the Hegelian dialectic, and basically what Hagel put out there
was the German philosopher that you have in order to
move forward in history and gain progress, that you have
to have conflict, and that conflict is driven by what
he called the thesis of the day, basically the dominant
worldview colliding with the antithesis, and that you intentionally introduce

(04:28):
the antithesis for the purpose of creating that conflict in chaos,
because on the other side of that will be a
melding and that will be this synthesis that comes out
on the other side. So if we do this very quickly,
you have capitalism, a free market at one time was
the thesis of America, and you put against that the opposite,
the antithesis, which is socialism, and what do you get

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On the other side, You get democratic socialism, and so
that becomes kind of this new thing that has the
language of the free market, but it is still being
driven by the radicalism of the socialist agenda. We've seen
the same thing happen with Mandani where it is you know, uh,
democratic socialism has become kind of the norm in a

(05:12):
place like New York City. That's what the average person
on the street holds to. Now what's the opposite of that.
The opposite of that is the islamis estate that is
a total you know, totalitarian religious zelotant movement that is
completely antithetical to this socialist, you know position. But you
put those two things together, and now you have a

(05:32):
candidate on the other side that's electable because he's a
democratic socialist Muslim, and so he has the form and
the language of a democratic socialist, but the agenda of
an Islamicist. And now he's in position to be able
to be mayor of New York City and drive that
that radicalism further into kind of the ethos, you know,

(05:54):
of that of that city.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Charnie Kirk wrote the intro to the book, how does
it you know what goes through your mind when you
look at the book and you see his name as
the forward author of the forward you.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Know, this is it's difficult, you know, I mean, I
the book came out the week after Charlie was martyred.
That was pre scheduled. You know, it had been pushed
actually several times. It was originally going to come out
in the summer, and there were delays with publishing and
everything else that happened all the time, and it got
pushed until September. And you know, just knowing first off

(06:32):
that Charlie understood the threat and he understood what was
at stake every single day, and yet he was still
willing to place himself in positions to be able to
influence the younger generation, even at the risk of threat
of life and personal peril. And you know he did
this day after day, sometimes three and four events a day.
I mean, Charlie worked harder than anybody that I'd ever seen.

(06:54):
And he was the most integrity filled person. What he
said from you know, the microphone is what he lived
in his real life, and it's how he led, you know,
as a boss and leader and a visionary and and
I'm I'm honored. It's it's it's kind of forever entwined
us in many ways. But there's there's nobody else. I'd
rather have part of this book than him. It's obviously

(07:15):
helped fuel a lot of the success of the book
is even his involvement with it at that time, and
it's it's a I can't help, but just you know,
see that what the enemy intends for evil, God, God,
you know, looks for ways to bring good on the
other side of that. And certainly this revival and this
movement and the awareness that's happening, you know, it gives

(07:35):
me more hope for this nation and for the Gospel.
Knowing that people are waking up and I think, you know,
recognizing their need for a savior and the importance of
the Cross.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You use the word revival, and as a good Southern
Baptist to grow up on the revival circuit, that's what
I have described it as. I don't remember a revival
in my lifetime on this scale, and I related all
to what happened in the Good Work of USA. Our
conversation with Pastor Lucas Miles about his book Pagan Threat

(08:05):
Confronting America's Godless Uprising Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Michael.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Pastor Lucas Miles is our guest, has written a book
called conronting America's Godless Uprising. Pagan threat confronting America's Godless Uprising,
the forward by his friend and tp USA founder Charlie Kirk.
Of course we lost September tenth, Lucas, talk to me
for a moment. I know we want to talk about
the book, but talk to me about how things have

(08:31):
changed for Turning Point USA after Charlie's I say assassination,
you say martyrdom. I'm very comfortable with that term as well.
Talk to me about how that has changed for the organization.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, you know, there's been a relis Feld support that
has just en circle us here at Turning Point that
has really helped fuel the work that Charlie started and
the work that we continue to do. We are so
grateful for the prayers, the letters, the you know, our
donors are just you knows on the ground out there
saying how can I help. I mean, there have been
countless vigils around the country honoring Charlie. In the days

(09:06):
and weeks that followed his death. There have been, you know,
just a just a massive influx of pastors and churches
that want to get on board. We had just to
give you an idea about four thousand churches on September
tenth that were already part of TPUSA Faith. We have
since gone to eight thousand churches. We have doubled in

(09:27):
sixty days what it took us several years to be
able to build. And so we are growing at an
exponential rate right now. And we have a deep bench.
You know, Charlie, nobody, nobody is going to be Charlie Kirk.
There's nobody that can fill his shoes. There's nobody that
can be exactly who he was, and he fulfilled I believe,
a divine purpose in his generation. He did what he
was called to do. His life was snuffed out early

(09:50):
because of an evil you know, violent you know, agenda
and force and individual that you know took it upon
himself to try to silence Charlie. And and it's it's demonic.
But I will say that that, you know, Charlie gather
around himself a very a very deep bench of people

(10:12):
who are like minded that that that had the same
result that he had, the same heart that he had.
And we are bound together, you know, to to see
his mission continue. And I always say to Charlie, you know,
Charlie knew how to build and find gladiators. And that's
really when you look at CPUSA and TPSA faith. The
individuals here are a lot of them are very young.
I'm I'm you know, I'm probably I'm at forty six.

(10:34):
I'm on the top end of the scale here over
at Turning Point, you know, but it is our staff.
Even though they're young, they are so dedicated, so strong,
theres so much grit and they just don't stop. And
this is the spirit that's always been here at Turning Point.
It's the spirit that's going to continue. I think it's
even stronger now than it's ever been before. And so
you know, certainly we're we're serving through the lens of

(10:55):
grief right now, and and that's not just going to
go away. But we're in great hands. Are c Suites
and amazing Erica now has been you know, Charlie's who
has been named as a CEO. I spent a little
bit time with her this week in some meetings, and
she is she's just amazing. It's obvious that God's hands
on her. She is just resilient, She's dedicated to this mission.

(11:16):
She's you know, just blocking out the noise and we're
just getting to work doing, you know, this job of
not only you know, creating the most conservative generation, but
from my department's standpoint, in the Faith department, the most
Christian generation. And we're not going to stop till we
accomplished that.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I do believe that. And what's fascinating, and I've said
this many times, and obviously Donald Trump recognized it. Charlie
Kirk was not only saving souls and teaching about the
fundamentals of American virtue, but he was doing that to
an audience that typically we've not been successful at reaching.

(11:51):
And that's what made this so incredibly special. Lucas, I
will get back to the book, but tell me how
you got involved with all of this, and I would
I would be interested in your testimony.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, absolutely so. I've I've been pastoring the same church
for going on twenty one years now in just outside
of South ben Indiana, near the University of Notre Dame,
and that's born and raised that area, had moved away
for a while, started preaching at seventeen, planted the church
at twenty four, and I'm still doing that today in
my mid forties. And I had been brought into the
ecosystem of turning Point USA and TPUSA Faith. I think

(12:26):
that one of the staff here had gotten a hold
of one of my previous books called The Christian Left
that came out kind of around COVID, exposing a lot
of the infiltration of progressive thought within the church and
kind of calling out some of the early iterations of
woke pastors and things. And they brought me into a
couple of pastor summits where I spoke at for TPUSA

(12:47):
Faith and had the opportunity to kind of slowly build
a relationship with Charlie. I first met him in twenty
twenty and you know, by twenty twenty three had a
pretty good rapport that had developed with him, had been
on his show a couple of times, had done an
event with him that he brought me in where he
interviewed me for about an hour plus in front of
a big audience, and on my book Woke Jesus, and

(13:08):
was just always so open handed and generous, and although
we were doing somewhat similar things on the faith side,
there was there was never a spirit of competition. He
was just always like, you're like minded, let's let's empower you,
Let's let's get you out there, let's and he just
helped use really the platform that he had built and
to amplify the work that I was doing. It was
it was very remarkable and uncommon, even in the Christian

(13:31):
space for somebody to be that generous. He had shared
with me privately a little over a year and a
half ago that that they were, you know, working on
some things in the faith departments, and he really had
a vision for the need for a pastoral figure kind
of the helm of TPUSA faith to lead the staff
on a day to day basis and really kind of

(13:52):
have one foot in operations and one foot in the
pastoral doctrinal oversight, you know, of where we were going.
And the previous to this had been a lot of
operational you know direction kind of boots on the ground,
but less so on the pastoral you know role, And
so he kind of created this new position. And he
told me that they were, you know, beginning to search,
and I had shared with him, I said, you know,
very happy and where I was totally not thinking about

(14:14):
anywhere on my bingo card of having working for Charlie
Kirk on there, I just said, hey, if you help that,
ain't somebody let me know, I'll fly out here on
my own dime, make sure you find the right fit,
and kind of share with them a couple of thoughts
I had on what they needed to look for, and
he said, I might take you up on that. And
about three weeks after he called said, hey, I found somebody.
It's you. When can you start? And and so I

(14:34):
was completely caught me off guard, but I knew as
soon as the words came out Charlie's mouth that it
was a god It was a God ordained moment. And
my whole experience with Charlie felt like that. It's just
always every moment felt special, every moment felt unique. There
was just something on his life, and he had just
seemed to have no wasted time, no idle moments, and
and just you know, lived his life so efficiently in

(14:56):
doing what God had called him to do, from how
he learned to how he you know, shared with others,
to how he spent time with his family, like he
was just so intentional. And it taught me a lot.
Even though I'm you know, I had fifteen years on him,
I learned I learned a tremendous amount from him just
watching him and being around him. And so I've been
honored to be on the team now for about eighteen
months overseeing our faith operations, and we're excited about what

(15:18):
comes next.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
And just did keep it his way with he's going,
You've got the Michael Berrys Show. I don't want to
be one of those people, but often I fall into
the trap of it where I invite an author on
to talk about a book which is their project that work.
You work on a book for so long and then
you birth it out into the world, and you want
to be taken. He want to spread and you want

(15:40):
to share it, and especially a book on faith, a
book on Christianity, a book on the threat to America,
this one in particular, Pagan Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising
by Pastor Lucas Miles of TPUSA, the forward by Charlie Kirk.
But in so doing, sometimes if that person has an
interesting background or everything that's going on with TPUSA, it's

(16:02):
easy to get distracted. I am fascinated by what's in
this book, So let's talk about that. Pastor Lucas Miles.
Pagan Threat. Why do you use the word pagan threat
as opposed to there are some alternatives that come to mind,
talk a little bit about that if you would.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, first off, thanks for having me on and giving
me this opportunity to talk about it, and also an
opportunity to talk about Charlie. Both things are important at once.
And you know, it's it's an author by with you
when you when you look at where we're as a society.
This word pagan doesn't get used very much anymore, sort
of an old esoteric word. You know. You might think
of Zeus or Odin or you know the Greek you know,

(16:38):
pantheon of gods, and to some agree that is what
I'm writing about, but I think it's more than that,
So I'm using pagan. It's sort of a broad blanket term.
And one of the reasons I wanted to nod to
that word as a as a general descriptor of this
post Christian you know, uh revival that's taking place is

(16:59):
that this is very similar to what the early Church
went through in pagan Rome as the Gospel was first
taking route. There's not been a time in history since
the days in Rome where Christianity has been vilified to
the extent that it is today in our current society.
Back in early Rome, in the first several centuries, we

(17:21):
had people like Justin Martyr to stand up to give
an offense of the Christian faith because there were accusations
the Church was facing that, you know, that Christians were
cannibalistic because they consumed the body and blood of Jesus,
or that they were ancestual because they would call their
spouses their brother or sister in christ. They were referred
to as being bad for the economy because so many

(17:42):
of those who were in the business of making idols
and making you know, peddling sacrifices that could be given
at various pagan temples were going out of business because
so many people were coming to Jesus, and so it
was the Christian's fault. The economy was failing. So Christians
were vilified. Now, even if you go back thirty years,
you know, in our history, Christians weren't referred to in
that way. They were referred to as holier than now

(18:05):
goody two shoes, maybe self righteous, but they weren't referred
to as being bigoted, they weren't referred to as being racist.
They weren't referred to, you know, in these terms of
being you know, misogynistic. But now Christians all of a sudden,
the vernacular has changed and Christians are being vilified in
ways in which we've not seen since early Rome. This

(18:27):
is this post Christian pagan world that we are now
in where we have to once again develop a new
apology for the Gospel. And by apology, I'm using that
in the Greek sense of the word, not an apology
like I'm sorry, but a defense, a robust defense and
polemic for the faith, that we can demonstrate the necessity
for the Christian Gospel and the you know, the validity

(18:51):
of the Christian Gospel and the historicity of the Christian
Gospel in this era and age of skepticism and doubt.
You know that I think we are facing, especially this
post COVID generation.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Pastor Lucas smiles TPUSA Pagan threat confronting America's godless uprising.
You mentioned a moment ago about the church partnerships. I
forget the exact language you use. How does a church
that's interested get involved, What are the resources? What does
that look like? I think there's gonna be a lot
of people very interested in that.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, So we have a website tpusafaith dot com where
you can go to find out more. We've recently launched
a map locator, so if somebody's listening who's not a pastor,
but they were looking for a church near them, they
can go to our map. We are opting. All of
our churches have to opt into this, so it's a
kind of a slow process of getting all eight thousand
churches on the map. We're up to about five hundred

(19:44):
or so right now. We just rolled this out a
few days ago, and so that numbers can be growing
very rapidly as our team processes through the information. But
that map will continue to be present and where you
can go and check yours at code and look around
the United States to see if there any churches near
you that are working with Turning Point. So there's no cost.
Everything we do for the church is free of charge.
We offer free courses and curriculum. We just finished a

(20:05):
course called First Truths that's become our most viewed course
that we've ever launched, which is myself and doctor Jeff
Myers from Summit Ministries talking true kind of really the
primary Christian doctrines, things we might see and say, the
apostles Creed that help us understand and define what is
Christian and what is not and how do these primary
Christian beliefs help us think about sort of the cultural

(20:26):
hot button topics around us. So, for instance, when you
know that God is creator, that helps you to be
able to have a biblical view of marriage, sexuality, as
well as the sanctity of life because we see him
as the origin, you know, for those things, and he's
the one who's defined them as the genesis of them,
and so you know, this helps us as we process

(20:46):
through these primary doctrines. We also have regional managers across
the country, so if churches are looking to connect with us,
they can reach out through our website, fill out an
interest form, one of our team will get a hold
of them, will come out, we'll meet with you, we'll
talk about all the resources we have available, again free
of charge. We're not pushing churches to you know, we're
driven by you know, our generous donors that are really

(21:09):
allowing this program to be available for the church, and
so we try not to put any sort of burden
on the pastors themselves or the church themselves as they
as they navigate through this. And we're just asking in
response that churches would commit to standing with us in
uniting around primary doctrine and to resist vocism in their
American and then they're a local pulpit. We want to
see wocism eradicated from the American church. H That's that's

(21:32):
one of you know, several goals that we have.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
T p U s a Faith dot Com is the website.
T p U s a Faith dot Com. Pastor Lucas
Miles is our guest. The book is Pagan Threat when
you talk about wocism in the church. I have long
lamented that the that the invasion by the left, the

(21:57):
incredible success they have had is that rather than compete
with the church the educational institution, they have instead infiltrated
and destroyed them from within. And that's far more powerful
in this trojan horse sort of way. What are signs
to someone who says, you know, gone to this church,
I grew up in this church, but I'm feeling uncomfortable.

(22:19):
What are some signs of a woke church that you
see as red flags?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah? First off, I think it's important to remember that
Satan's not a builder. You know, God is a builder,
and so Satan is only a hijacker. He's coming in
to try to steal, kill and destroy and he's only
doing that and things that are you know, existing, He's
not going to create his own thing. He's going to
try to infiltrate the existing frameworks and organizations and you know, entities,
including the church, to use that as a vehicle for

(22:45):
destruction in some capacity. And so if you're looking for
kind of like asking a question, is as my church
woke or not? First off, it should be obvious by now,
after COVID, after George Floyd, after the rise of BLM,
after you know, uh in doc trans and doctrination in schools,
and after the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, if you couldn't
see where your pastor stands and they had a resounding

(23:06):
silence over all of these issues, you know, even the
overturning of Row, if you didn't have a standing ovation
at your church, if they didn't address it, if they
didn't make mention of it, they're either super detached and
they and probably you know, incapable of actually offering you
sound wisdom on the state of affairs in the world
today and how to use scripture to be able to

(23:27):
navigate the world around us, or they are actually not
in line with a biblical worldview because and that's why
they're not addressing and or you know, standing strong during
these seasons. And so you know, there have been multiple
tests for pastors over the last you know, several years,
and most pastors, I think have come short on that
and been left wanting. And so I think that, you know,

(23:50):
we're looking for a church that preaches the full Council,
the Word of God, that's able to help people think biblically.
What I say is in the in the boardroom, in
the bedroom at the lent bo you're listening to.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Michael Berry Show. Pastor Lucas Miles's our guest. Tpusafaith
dot com is their website. He is with the faith
wing of the Turning Point USA organization. The forward to
the book written by Charlie Kirk, and there's a line
I want to quote, but I want to ask you
about it. Charlie Kirk writes, a fearless warrior for Christ,
Lucas is a man built to stand for the truth

(24:25):
in a time of great apostasy. Don't just read pagan threat,
Internalize what it has to say, then share its message
with your Christian friends before they are seduced by paganism themselves.
We have a faith in a country to save. He
uses the line share its message with your Christian friends
before they are seduced by paganism themselves. I spoke at

(24:48):
Linked yesterday on the show about the seduction of particularly
young people, but many times poor people by socialism throughout history.
That's why it takes hold. It's very seductive. Do you
see as the seductive powers of paganism, uh, to to
to a person feeling this temptation.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, I think it actually sort of a spiritual halfway house.
It gives you the ability to feel like you're still spark,
you're still part of some sort of religious framework, while
having kind of just choose your own adventure, uh, you know, uh,
kind of create your own morals, create your own pathways.
On the other side of that, without any sort of rigidity.
And so, you know, Christianity, it's not that it's it's

(25:28):
you know, Christ freed us from you know, uh uh
he lived fully, perfectly the law in order to free
us from you know, the law of sin and death.
And and you know, Christianity, although we are in a
relationship that is rooted in God's grace and freedom and
liberty in Christ, there's a rigidity to it in that
it is well defined. It's a well defined moral structure

(25:51):
that Paganism does not share with it. And so, for instance,
Christianity has very clear boundaries about marriage, sexuality, about about
things like you know, what is righteous, what is unrighteous,
about honesty and the truth, and how to treat one another.
Paganism doesn't have this, although Pagans might try to invent
some sort of code or process for that many have tried.

(26:12):
It has the flexibility without these defining you know, in
out the defining text of the Word of God, to
sort of be whatever you want it to be. You
can create your own path and so you can.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Be an LGBT, you know, a witch who believes in
you know, shamanism, and you can kind of just pick
and choose what you want to create this hybrid, much
like a you know, a buffet, you know at a restaurant,
to just get a little bit of everything and just
shape it in a way that works for you.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Christianity isn't like that. It requires dying to yourself and
you know, bowing, you know, your need to the King
of Kings or the Lord of lords, submitting to him
as lord over your life. He is the arbiter of
truth over our life, not ourselves. It's not a self deification.
So paganism is attractive because there is this false sense
of self empowerment, of really self deification, that I get

(27:01):
to decide what gender I am, I get to decide
when does life start in the womb, I get to
decide who lives and who dies. And these are sort
of the values that we're seeing especially in this not
just only paganism, but in this what I would call
a critical paganism, Paganism plus Marxism that is becoming kind
of this dominant force, you know, that is driving I
think much of the younger generation forward.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's interesting because I think you're right that that is
a philosophy that is that is being grabbed onto or
whatever want ideology. But I think there is also in
TPUs A has been a major part of this. There
is also a revival, including among young folks. I spoke
at a high school group recently that they were forming

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at Stratford High School, which is which is here in Houston,
and some some parents were trying to keep them from forming,
which really is just odd. It's just a student organization.
You can have whatever you want. But I spoke there,
and I'm in a studio all day. I live more
of the rush limball lifestyle. I'm sure you are out
and about, and I know Charlie was out and about
every day. I don't get out and about the way

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I used to, but I did for that and the
energy I felt from these young people, it was just
I wanted to bottle it. It was beautiful, it was wonderful,
fresh faced optimism and values. It was really just inspiring.
And I see now why Charlie did it. But I
also see rivaling what you were talking about, the young
people and this paganism and socialism. I also see revival

(28:29):
amongst young people, a separate set of young people, and
that's inspiring. That's exciting to me.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I think the two things can be true at once.
And certainly, you know nobody anticipated this, is that the
martyr of Charlie Kirk sparked this Christian revival that is
pushing back against I think this attempt to bring America
to this post Christian place, and it's turning back the
clock on that a little bit. It's not that it's
no longer an issue. It's certainly still a threat, but

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we have this you know, this temporary right spot right
now that's creating a lot of you know, hope and opportunity.
And I think that, you know, it's important to recognize
that we can't spark revival as humans, but only God
can do that, but we can steward it. And so
what we're trying to do is work with our churches
and pastors across you know, tposa faith on really how
to steward you know, the moment that we're in so
we can see this be effective. There are lots of

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harts and minds to change. You know, we work with
about eight thousand churches, but there's over three hundred and
fifty to four hundred thousand churches in this nation. So
even though we have a large group of pastors we
work with, it's still only a fraction of the pastors
in this country. And many of these pastors are still
pastors that either are afraid to work with us, they're
afraid to speak out on these topics, or they're pastors
that aren't up. They've you know, rejected biblical ideas. They're

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now flying you know, BLM and Pride flags above the cross,
and they have really become traitors I think to the faith,
you know, in that sense, and so you know, there's
still a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic God
wins in the end. It doesn't mean the church in
America always thrives. We've seen the church in Europe where
it's faltered, and we have buildings that now act as
these you know, once meccas of you know, Christian spirituality

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that are now becoming you know, in many times they're
being bought out by Muslims and becoming kind of new
meccas for the Islamic faith, you know, in these beautiful
old cathedrals that have been lying dormant for some time.
And so you know this, this could be America's future
if we don't stand strong and and and you know,
continue this, this this fight for the faith, to defend
it in the face of these pagan ideologies.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I will close with a question for you, Pastor Lucas Miles,
and that is a very personal question. Is there an
aha moment you came to in your life that you
found that your ministry, your your walk, your marriage, your health,
that was something that changed. Maybe it was more sleep,
maybe it was more water, Maybe it was prayer in
the morning, maybe it was a walk. Is there some

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aspect of your life personally that you would share that
may help someone else?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know, I would say, just, you know, honestly, even
going back just more maybe more recently, the assassination and
murder and martyrdom of Charlie I think was aha moment
for a lot of people. And what it did for me,
among other things, was it reminded me that life is
a vapor. As much as we worry about our health
and our sleep and you know, our nutrition, and those

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are good things to think about, certainly, but as much
as we worry about those things, those are things that
are not going to last for eternity. What is going
to last for eternity is the impact that you make
on a person's heart with the Gospel. And it's easy
to get so focused on the things of this world
that we lose sight of what really matters and what
has lasting power. And I think that Charlie's a reminder

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for us of a life well lived and a life
focused on what matters. And so it's just, you know,
I said, I've said many times that I'm a different
person after September tenth. I think a lot of us
here at turning point are and I want to just
focus more on really what it means to die to
myself and to live for Christ and to do the

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work necessary today. Not to try to earn salvation, we
can never do that, but to try to help others,
you know, find their hope in Jesus Christ, and help
a strong church be perpetuating in this world, to be
that city on the hill, you know, for others to
be able to come to know the faith.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
His book is Pagan Threat, Confronting America's Godless Uprising Pastor
Lucas Miles forward by Charlie Kirk. He is with tp
USA Faiths dot com.