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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time. Time time, time, Luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
D NASA SUSA has just about done it all. He
has taught at university, he has been the president of university.
He has written books. He has debated on college campuses.
He has made movies. He has appeared on television. He
is a five tool player, to be clear, at the

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honor and privilege of working together with him. After a
movie he made that was from a by Lionsgate that
became the biggest selling movie per movie theater in the
country its opening weekend, and then I had the opportunity
of traveling the country with his executive producer, who had
been one of the producers on Jurassic Park and a

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number of other projects. We went to Baton Rouge, Nashville,
I think Birmingham, a whole lot of fun, very very
influential movie. I think the last time I was in
the same room with Denish was the premiere of a
movie he did that President Trump screened for an invitation

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only list at mar A Lago a couple of years ago,
which was pretty neat in and of itself. He is back.
He's pretty good at this. He's got it down. Now
he's got the whole production team and it gets a
lot easier economies of scale. I guess with time it's
called The Dragons Prophecy and Denish desuzs our guest, or
maybe he's not hold on time? Right here there you go,

(02:00):
all right today, The Dragon's Prophecy by Jonathan Kahan.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
What have we here?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, we have a different kind of project for Denesh.
My earlier films have all been in one way or another,
about the meaning of America. But this is a film
that is based on a bestselling book. It's about October seventh.
It's about Israel hamas Radical Islam, but it's also about

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biblical archaeology and biblical prophecy. So it's weaving together a
tapestry of the political and the spiritual in a way
I have not attempted before. And the Dragon's Prophecy the
title refers to a passage in the book a Revelation
where a dragon representing the Devil goes to war with

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a woman representing Israel, and the woman is pregnant, representing
the Messiah. So right away were giving you a sense
of what the stakes are. This is sort of the
ideas that the events we're seeing in front of us
are in a way the reverberation of a great spiritual
battle that has raged from the beginning between nothing less

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than God and the devil themselves.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Do you think this is the times we are living?
Or is this a timeless piece? How much of your
interest in this project is related to exactly what's going
on versus more eternal concepts.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
You know, it's it's incredibly it's sort of both, and
I didn't quite mean it that way. Some of it
is that the timeless themes that I made have sort
of sprung to relevance, because, for example, these ferocious battles
on the right over replacement theology, and are the Jews
of today really descended from the ancient Israelites? I begin

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the film in a very great way. There's ten minutes
of putting you right on the scene of October seventh,
and you're not seeing it from the side of Israel
the victims. You're seeing it. It's almost like you're in
a motorcycle with a GoPro and you're riding in with
Hamas over the fence and right into the kibbutzes. Why
Because Hamas took that footage and I've been collecting it

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for two years. I didn't use some of the most
brutal footage, but I used enough that it's going to
give you a riveting introduction to what it was actually
like to be on the scene of October seven. So
it begins in that very kind of concrete way, and
then the movie takes the more kind of wide angled
or enlarged perspective, engaging not just the political side of it,

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but also you can say, the biblical.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Side, Why did you do that?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I moved into the film somewhat sideways. I became exposed
to biblical archaeology, and I began to realize that there
are figures in the Bible, like Conscious Pilot or the
Prophet Isaiah or King David. And for thousands of years
these guys were in the Bible, but only in the Bible.
You couldn't produce external proof that they even existed. But

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kind of, in the last few decades, out of the
ground in Israel have come stones and seals, play seals
and inscriptions and monuments, and suddenly all these biblical figures
jump out of the pages of the Bible and write
into the pages of history and archaeology. And when I
encountered this, I was like, why isn't this being shouted

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from every synagogue and the rooftop of every church. So
that's kind of how I got started. Then October seventh
came upon, and I began to think about the connections
between Biblical archaeology and October seventh. And it turns out
there is a connection, namely, whose land is it really?
I mean, who were the original inhabitants of this land?

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And as it turns out, the Biblical archaeology doesn't just
sort of authenticate the historicity of the Bible, it also
establishes definitively the presence of the Jews in that land,
going back really four thousand years ago to Abraham.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Interesting, that's very interesting. You have not shot away from
ecumenical subjects, but this seems to be more of a
deep dive, full plunge into the matter.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
It is, and yet at other times the film seems
just pressingly contemporary. I take a question that Tucker Carlson
post to Ted Cruz, and then I take it straight
to Ned and Yahoo and I go, Okay. Tucker Carlson
asks the question, are Ned and Yahoo's Jews really the
true descendants of Abraham, what do you say? And Ned

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and Yahoo goes right into it, and then it becomes
a kind of a very spirited dunking Onucker by the
Prime Minister of Israel. So this part of it feels
like it's ripped out of social media, ripped out of
the headlines. And at other times it feels like you're
witnessing the primordial battle and heaven between God and the
rebel angels. You have both those elements in the film.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's a very interesting time. I'll wait till the next
segment to ask you this question, but I want to
get your thought, being a student of history to the
extent that you are, which is a much deeper dive
than most folks, particularly the context within which we discuss
such subjects and including the rather profound. And I want

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to talk to the issue of this riff we've seen
on the right between the sort of Candice Owens and
Tucker Carlson on one side, and then say the Douglas
Murray's and a number of others on the other side,
because I think this is going to get much uglier

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before it gets better, and I don't think it's necessarily
unhealthy to air things out as concept of unity is overrated,
but I'd be curious to get your feedback on that.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Coming up.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Bizarre of Talk Radio The Michael Berry Shows.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Anclen Denesh Desuza is our guest. The book The Dragon's
Prophecy by Jonathan Kahn. It is now a project that
began limited release yesterday and then tomorrow. Is that right, Denesh?
It's streaming on Salem now on October ninth. Can you

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tell me how folks can see this?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, so it's in theaters one more day, four hundred
theaters around the country. Go to the website, which is
the Dragons plural The Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. Put in
your zip code, it'll pull up the theaters around you, playing,
of course, in a whole bunch of places. And then
the next day Thursday, October ninth, it's streaming and DBD.

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It'll be streaming on Rumble, also streaming on now and again.
Go to the Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. You can sign
up for the streaming. You can order your DVDs right now.
So whether you want to watch in the theater or
at home, we make it easy for you.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
So basically you're or it's foretelling or or covering a
dangerous force from ancient times, it's now operating in the
world and determining the course of world events today.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Exactly. And it also brings it right home to people
because it's saying that this isn't just about Israel or
a computation of us interests in Israel. We do all that,
but it's ultimately about like a choice that each of
us has to make in this great spiritual war kind
of whose side are we on, God or the Dragon?

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You know, the Dragon in today's world operates really, I
would say, through two platoons, on the one hand, the
Islamic Jihadis and on the other hand, the cultural left.
And the weird thing is that these two groups seem
very distant from each other. They don't have the same goals,
they cannot easily inhabit each world, and yet they are

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joined at the hip. They march together at like Columbia University.
And it's because they have the same targets. They hate
the same people. They hate Israel, they hate the West,
they hate the Christians, and so kind of the message
of the film is, all right, we now understand who
the forces of the dragon are. Well, why don't the
Jews and the Christians. Why don't the Christians and Israel

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come closer together? Because we are the platoons of the
other side. And that's the way that the film kind
of lays it out to give people a kind of
clear sense of what the configuration of forces are on
both sides.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Did a three thousand year old mystery foretell the invasion
of Israel by Hamas? And if so, in your opinion,
how close did it did.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
It get to that?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, I would put it this way. It's not so
much that it was foretoll three thousand years ago. It's
that when you look at October seventh and the war,
you can see the eerie parallel between today's events and
what happened between the ancient Israelites and the Philistines a

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few thousand years ago. Now, first of all, the Philistines
the Palestinians. That is the same name. It's the same
word transported through history. But the point Jonathan Khan makes,
and this is where his argument really takes off, is
he says that the tactics are the same. So, to
give an example, there's the biblical hero called Samson. He

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represents the strength Israel and Samson is captured by the Philistines.
They blind him in much the same way Israel was
quote blinded. On October seventh, the Bible says they dragged
him Samson to Gaza. Gaza's mentioned in the Bible. The
Philistines control the area that we now call the Gaza Strip,

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And the Bible says, the people of Gaza came out
and said, bring out Samson, take off his clothes and
bring him out so that he might quote entertain us.
Sure enough, after October seventh, hostages and captives were taken
to Gaza, stripped to the waist, paraded out while people
danced around them cheered a Lahu aakbar. And so Jonathan

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Kahn makes this very arresting statement. He goes, hey, Samson
three thousand years ago was in some way the first
stage of Gaza. So this is not so much a
kind of forecasting as it is a observing of parallels
on the largest canvas of history and theology. And I

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think it helps give us a much deeper insight that
what we're witnessing here is not just historical events, but
to some degree biblical events.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Reading about this project, it appears that there is a
reference to a secret to the Book of Revelation that
reveals what is taking place. If not in our immediate time,
then certainly in this era. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well, I think a lot of it can be connected
to this very interesting structure right in the middle of
Jerusalem called the Temple Mount. The Temple Mount is sort
of the retaining wall, that's where the Jews pray, but
that is the site of the original Temple of Solomon
and later, of course reconstructed under Herod. That's the place

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where when Jesus's parents lost him, they found him in
the Temple. It's that temple. Now, very interestingly, that temple
doesn't exist anymore, and sitting right on top of that
is a you could call it an Islamic Victor Dome
of the Rock, adjoining the Al Aksa Mosque. And so
it's almost as if the dragon, the devil has decided

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to occupy himself the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity.
Now the Bible seems to forecast it's a little murky,
but that we know we are in the last days
when essentially the Temple is rebuilt, and there are actually
some Jews, serious Jews in Israel, who think that not
only should the temple be rebuilt, but rights and sacrifices,

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including the sacrifice of so called red heifers, to be
resumed in the temple after thousands of years. And I
found those red heifers in Shiloh, in the middle of Israel,
and so they're in film. So this is the way
in which the film doesn't try to make definitive pronouncements,
but it just teases the issue of biblical prophecy, asking question,

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could it be that we're seeing some signposts that we
are stage.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's an interesting consideration, not one that I've given a
lot of time to, but I know many many people do.
I've got about a minute left. What do you make
on purely current events of the split between sort of
Tucker and candasoans on one side and a number of
folks on the right. With regard to the Jewish question,

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the Israel question, we.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Should do a show on this, or do it in
more length, But I'll just say very briefly that the
ultimate issue is can the New Testament be severed from
the Old? Has the New Testament replaced the Old? Has
the New Covenant somehow canceled out the Old? Does this
mean that we don't have to pay any attention to

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like Creation, Genesis One, Abraham, the Exodus, Moses, the Ten Commendments,
the Hebrew prophets. To me, this is such an outrageous
sort of betrayal of Christianity. This is not something like
denominating argument about replacement theology. It's about people who are

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especially saying that when Jesus came, everything that happened before
him is obsolete. That was certainly not Jesus's own clue.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It will be a conversation we have in another time.
The Dragon's prophecy danesh de Susa, thank you, good sir.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's Ramon the King of Ding and this other guy, Michael.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Barry black it out, but it plays again.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Seven aspiring rappers were butt raped during the making of
this song. I know you're still living your life after
thing day. Dumay Sean Pddy Combes the sentenced to four

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years in prison after he was found guilty on two
counts of transportation for purposes of prostitution charges. And that's
not even the meat of the story. Diddy and his
attorney have requested that he served his time at a

(17:23):
low security federal prison in New Jersey. With a drug
rehab program. Keep give me the proceeds now ramon. Knowing
everything we learned about Diddy, his wild parties, freak offs

(17:44):
with Lebron in a maide suit made outfit. What do
you think is the name of the prison he requested
to be sent to that would make you giggle? It's

(18:08):
a federal corrections institute known as Fort Dix. Apparently it's
not a little one, it is massive. I mean it's

(18:29):
low security drug rehab program. I think Diddy will feel
right at home at the giant Fort Dix. Every dass

(18:57):
a date I see against winds.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Stocks chance, right in front of our very eyes, right
in front of our very eyes.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Harvey Weinstein, Diddy, Epstein, You know, there was a subject
worthy of serious scholarly research, and that is the overwhelming

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sexual desires that accompany wealth and celebrity. And I maintain
that just as rape is not actually about the sex,
it's about the control. I maintain that these freakish Epstein

(20:10):
Weinstein ditty that what this is really about is breaking
boundaries and being uncontrolled, indulging one's every fancy, one's every whim,

(20:34):
regardless whether it's legal. They know it's not one of
the reasons, you know they know it's not is that
the parts that are most illegal, they at least have
a good sense to hide those. But I think it's
also a question of control as well. One of the

(20:57):
things you learn in that case. And I will admit
I was far more interested in it until it actually
started and it lost its luster as something that you
could maybe learn something about. But you see that they
subject You know, these are not street corner prostitutes. These

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are not escorts who are providing sex for hire. It's
about breaking people because you have something they want, and
it's about subjugating them to you. There are lots of
little skinny boys with a comb over hair. Did he
didn't have to spend an entire weekend with Justin Bieber.

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It was about controlling that person. And I say that
to say this, whether sex is involved or not, and
it is in a big way in Washington, DC. Most
of what they do is about control. Most of the

(22:03):
measures they undertake are about control. And it is not
a stretch to say that was the importance of the mask.
The importance of the mask was being able to get
people to do what they told them. The mask was unpleasant,

(22:25):
it was uncomfortable, it was hot, it didn't work, but
they could get you to do that. That is the
ultimate control, That is the thumbs up or thumbs down
in the Roman arena, in the colisseum, that you have

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complete and utter control, you know, Ramon I found it
very interesting, the Cornin Hunt Paxton conversation. So we'll open
the phone lines for the last SEGMENTE one thousand, but
before that, a message from the campaign of John Wayne mccorny.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
John Wayne mccornyn is one of us, just a regular guy.
He's not some DC elite that just rules into Texas
to campaign. Hell. No, he's got a house in a
normal subdivision that he picks because it had good schools.
And that three bedroom, two bath house has a wreath

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on its front door that says it's fall y'all just
like you. And John Wayne mccornyn is more than a
husband and father. He's also an uncle. He's the most
uncly uncle ever. When the nieces and nephews were little,
they called him Uncle thunder Fart because his three most

(23:54):
famous words were pull my finger. And as they grew,
Uncle thunder Fart turned into the cool uncle in high school.
Who do you think the nephews went to to buy
a case of Keystone Light. If you guessed John Wayne mccornyn,
you guessed right. So vote for someone just like you

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vote for Uncle thunder Fart. Vote for John Wayne mccornyn.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
He's all right. Phone lines Rope someone three one thousand

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with and.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Why Southern Pride, Southern Fried, The Michael Barry Show.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Pam Bondy is uh and hearing before the Senate presently
was watching during the break. She has the most consistent,
constant RBF then I have ever witnessed in somebody who
hasn't had a stroke. It's practically permanent. Just watch, just

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watch her. It's hard to have such a permanent RBF.
It and it is the classical look that if you
are looking at her while you're talking, it is as
if she is impatiently waiting on you to stop and go.

(25:44):
And what's your point? Can I leave now? I mean,
just without fail, I will say to her credit, she
has been, in my mind, a complete and utter disappointment,
absolute disappointment. I think she is. I'm told that she

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is a basis for a lot of things not being
done that Trump promised or has the mandate for, and
has a mind to do, and she is not doing it.
She's not as big a disappointment as who was a
little Elmer Fudd looking dude from Alabama that was attorney

(26:31):
general for about a month. We stepped down Jeff Sessions. Boy,
he was something else?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
All right?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Who are you with? And why? Seven one thousand and
the first clip goes to, let's go back to that, Craig,
you're upe Craig.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Hey, I went off off base here.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
I didn't know that exactly what you were going to do.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
But I was going to ask you, what did you
What did you call about?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I called about do you think Trump is going to
endorse anybody other than corn It?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
No, he's not going to endorse Corning.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I didn't think you would.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
So I'm talking about do you think it's going to
be Taxton he'll endorse or do you think he will
do that to get rid of that piece of garbage?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I don't. And here is the reason I don't think
at this point there is an upside to Trump endorsing.
First of all, if he endorses Hunt, Paxton's mad. If
he endorses Paxton, Hunt is mad, and so he makes

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you only make one person happy of the three. Secondly,
and perhaps most importantly to him in the short term,
if he endorses before March third, or much before March third,
then he alienates Corning Andy. The only thing keeping cornin

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honest right now is that he's on the ballot March third.
That's the only thing keeping him honest. It is not
his conscience, It is not his belief that you know,
your values are his values. Corn would vote against every
single thing you do.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
And you see that.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
You know when a guy like Liz Cheney got elected
repeatedly as a Republican Dick Cheney's daughter, and the minute
she's called on the carpet, she becomes not just a
fervent Democrat but a Republican hater. Adam Kinsinger in Ohio,

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Mitch McConnell, I mean, nobody notices because he's in a
state of constant. He's frozen up like mister Roboto. But
Mitch McConnell is quietly voting with the Democrats on every
major bill right now, every one of them. He's still
in the Senate. I don't know that he's alive, but
he is voting with the Democrats. And several times he

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has voted and then shuffled over to the Democrats and
smirked to them like, yep, I'm showing Trump. I'm showing
the Republicans. That means he was never actually with us,
and that is who Cornyn is. People should understand that.
People should understand that if you're voting for cornn if

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you're in any way scared that Cornan is going to
go off the reservation and start supporting the Democrats. That
ought to tell you everything. He shouldn't have been there
in the first place, but he certainly can't get six
more years. Imagine what happens if he wins and we
have no ability to rain him in for the next

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four years after that, we'll have a Republican majority and
we'll never pass a bill. And that's fact. That's what
would happen. Seven one three nine nine nine one thousand,
seven one three nine nine nine one thousand at home
with me for just a moment. You'll be next. I
think you've got to. You know, we live in an

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environment where people feel the need to react to everything
at that moment, and that is not what smart people do.
That is what dumb people do. Dogs make snap decisions
and bite Humans are supposed to be more measured than that,

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able to think on a deeper level. You don't have
to have an immediate reaction to every single thing. Right now,
I'm mad about that. I get these emails, you know,
yesterday I get emails from people that are very upset
about Hunt being in the race. And there's fifty different
reasons why of the very upset, but they're very upset. Okay, Well,

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I'm not in charge of him being in the race.
I didn't tell him to get in the race. He
didn't consult me. Okay, But I also realize I am
a place that people feel comfortable venting. All right, good, now,
why are you upset again? Well, I'm upset because he's
gonna split the vote and Cornyn's gonna get elected. Okay.

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So I cut and pasted a response because I probably
sent it to fifty different people who made that claim,
and I said, I don't believe that's what's going to happen.
There's a lot of race yet to run, but I
believe that Hunt's presence in the race makes it more
likely that Paxton wins. Now, he's not running to help

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Paxton win, He's running because he wants to win. But
if I were to say right now, if you forced
me to make a pick, and it's early, we don't
know what all was going to come out. But if
you force me to say right now, I would say
Hunt helps Paxton more than he hurts Paxston. And the
reason for that is there is an anti Paxton vote,

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just as there is an anti Cornin vote. The Democrats
and the drunk DAIDs. They did a number on Paxton,
and most people see it for what it was. But
a lot of people don't. You know that there's enough smoke.
You know, there's still people listening to this show that
wore the mask till the end, some of them double masked,

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some of them took boosters on the shot. There are
still people who we think processed the way we do,
and they don't. And so there are still people out
there in that camp. But if you are against Paxton,
now you have two options Hunt or Cornyan, which takes

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votes away from Cornan. I think this is a very
very complicated case when you actually get down to the
level of the voter, and I don't think it's going
to be as obvious as people think. But if you
ask me, do I think DC put Hunt in the
race because Cornan can't win, and they don't They want
to keep this race away from Paxton. I do not

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believe that's the case. That doesn't mean that somebody didn't
give him money with that intention. People can give money
with whatever intention. That may have happened. I don't know,
but there is a reason Cornyn is unloading on Hunt
in a way that you know he has turned his artillery.
By the way, if you're a Paxton person, take a breath.

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Cornan can't hit two people at one time. He's about
He's trying to knock Hunt out of the race before
Hunt can get his feet under him, and that leaves
Paxton free. It's going to be very interesting race.