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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I received, as I often do best show prep, a
link from a listener to some comments that have been
put up by a fellow named Calli means. I didn't
know if Kelly was a man or woman. I known
a CALLI that was a female. I had no idea
who this person was, and it was an interesting perspective,
and so I went to this person's feed and I
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looked at kind of their body of work and I
saw that they were posting some interesting things about things
that I care about. And I reached out and here
we are and correct me if I'm wrong. Kelli means
you are a former lobbyist for the food and drug
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of food and big pharma companies. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And now you have and this is just going by
reading comments that you've put up. There's a theme to this.
You have a company called True Med Payments that is
focused on healthy living and not buying into the BS.
Take about thirty seconds because there's a lot of want
to get to to tell us what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely well, yeah, Michael, I think one of the biggest
issues in the country is through crony capitalism, which I
saw working for these industries right now. Ninety five percent
of healthcare payments go to interventions after we get sick
to manage conditions after we get sick. So fundaments, I
think the incentive problem we have is that all of
the institutions of healthcare make money when we're sicker for
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longer periods of time. It's for interventions and chronic condition
drugs that prescribe for life. That's how the system makes money,
which is what I saw and what Trueman does. What
our insight is is that doctors can actually write, literally
write prescriptions for food and exercise, things we all should
be incentivized to do and actually attack the root cause
of nine out of ten killers of Americans right now,
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which are lifestyle conditions.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, So you put up on post ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
If a doctor writes a prescription for food and exercise,
you can actually use tax free, medically fanished dollars for that.
That's our insight.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So you're talking about healthy, cost effective ways. You're talking
about cost effective ways to have better health. There is
no doubt that obesity is the root cause of almost
every major health condition in this country, and we can't
seem to solve that problem. We went from not enough
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food to too much food or all the wrong foods,
and it's become a cultural phenomenon. Look at a photo
of people frolicking on the beach in the sixties and
nobody's fat. Look at a photo today and they're beached wells,
I mean it is widespread. I mean most Americans have
struggled in one way or another with weight. And I
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don't mean vanity related, I mean obesity. So here's an example.
So sixteen hours ago you posted Novo Nordisk, which is ozimbic.
Uh pays Harvard doctors to say obesity is genetic and
not tied to food, and then Weight Watchers uses that
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quote unquote research to advertise ozimpic and lobby for federal funding.
Step three, Downtown Manhattan is plastered with this Orwellian messaging
and that is this fat woman and an ad that
says obesity is a chronic condition. Let's treat it like one.
Weight Watchers Clinic, zero stigma, expert care. So I don't
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want to put words in your mouth. What exactly are
you saying here?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah? So I'm a conservative, and I think free choice
and person responsibility is very important. When you have in
one generation, right, you basically had sub close to a
zero percent OBC rate, zero percent rates and a lot
of these chronic conditions like diabetes. Predicting them on kids,
it was literally zero percent about a generation and go
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among kids now skyrocketing is now eighty percent of American
adults are overweight to obese, fifty percent of US teams
over waight toor abes. Diabetes among teens is now thirty
three excuse me, pre diabetes, it's thirty three percent. I mean,
you have a situation where you've got to ask, what's
happened to the system. Did Americans become lazier? Did they
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become more frankly suicidal with these skyrocketing obest rates? Or
people trying to have lower life expected? Is what's happening now? No,
there's really been a systemic weaponization of food. Food's gotten
more addictive and it's kinden more toxic, and we can
talk about that, but there's really been a systemic effort
and working for the food and farmer companies. These are
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the two biggest spenders in DC. And what I saw
was a devil's bargain where we're obviously manifestly right, we're
getting sicker because of food. And I don't think that's
even disputed. We're getting sicker, fatter, more depressed, born for
because of what's in our food. The real criminal thing
here is that the pharmaceutical and health chemistry, instead of
speaking about why we're getting sick, they're profiting from us
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being sick and OBESTI is a great example. So back
ten years ago, I worked for the food companies as
we lobbied for continued foodstamps funding for soda, which is
obviously just suicidal, paying and subsidizing ten billion dollars a
year from the federal treasury to soda companies, which is
what we do with our food stamp program. Soda is
the number one item on food stamps. There was not
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a word of protests from medical organizations about that. They
were fine with that, they didn't speak out about that.
In fact, Coca Cola pays money to the American Diabetes
Association and other medical groups. So now that kids are
increasing the obese and Americans are increasing obese, now there's
huge noise from the medical groups that Ozimpic, this new
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miracle drug, an injection that you have to take once
a week for life. The American Academy, the American Academy pediatrics,
arguing that every overweight or beats twelve year old should
have that as the standard of care. This is a
drug that makes pharma, who pays the medical groups, who's
the chief funder of the medical groups, including the American
Academy of pedidaddricts. This is a fifteen thousand dollars per
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year drug per life. That there is aggressive lobbying from
the medical industry to be the standard of care for
the largest target market and health, which is obesity. And
where the research comes in and what I was shocked
working for the food and pharmaceutical companies is that a
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Harvard research report is like ordering a public relations document.
This professor for TIMA, Cody Stanford, wh leads OBEs research
at Harvard, has accepted over one hundred thousand dollars from
Novo Nordics. She goes on sixty Minutes, which the chief
funder of sixty Minutes is pharmaceutical companies, says that obesit
is a brain disease, it's a genetic condition and not
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tied to food and lifestyle, and that her work at
Harvard has substantiated that. Companies then take that and then
are able to argue that you're anti science and disagreeing
with research from Harvard if you say that obestie has
anything to do with the choice, and that it's a
moral imperative, in fact, a racial quality imperative. They tie
DEI up into this to support government funding for obese drugs,
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and it's actually classes fat phobic and even racist to
suggest food or lifestyle has anything to do with obest
This is the trend we've seen throughout you know, as
psylo and chronic conditions. And we have a situation where,
you know, we're spending more and more on diabetes, more
and more on heart disease, more and more on cancer,
more and more on Alzheimer's, more and more in depression,
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more and more in obeste You know, health costs or
outpacing inflation by two x. It's the largest and fastest
growing industry in the country. But as we spend more money,
we have worse outcomes. Every condition I just mentioned is
going up as we're spending more to treat it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I did hurt Cameron of the famous Growing Pains man.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If it worked for growing pains, I wouldn't be on
the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Kelly means it's our guest. He was a food and
drug industry lobbyist, and he's got stories to tell. I
guess what.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I guess what.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Disturbs me about all of this. You know you'll hear,
you know, you hear some old guy on his front porch,
because old houses had front porches, and they'll make a
statement and you don't realize the wisdom of it until
much later in life. I remember hearing people when I
was a kid. There was always some old man in
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overalls with no shirt and bare feet in Southeast Texas
where I grew up, saying something like it don't pay
to cure you. They just want to keep getting paid
to treat you. And you see this in case after
case after case of real public health dilemmas. And I'm
a freedom guy, so I don't believe the government should
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be restricting what people eat and all these sorts. But
I see them actually dumping things, spraying things, imposing things,
injecting things into the bodies of poor people, and it
kills me. It's Tuskegee Institute all over again. So if
we were to start with the premise Cali, that CALLI means,
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as our guest, If we were to start with the
premise that the pharmaceutical companies and big food are in
cahoots to sell us bad foods and then treat us
for life based on federal socialized spending on these what
would be the best examples you would use? And I
know you've got a book coming out, and I believe
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you address that in that book.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I think this is a vital unpack actually
for people who believe in freedom and conservatives, which I am.
And I want to be clear, I was fooled by this.
So when I worked for the food companies would message
to conservative lawmakers that's it's a nanny state situation to
tell poor people what to eat and that we can't
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pay that they can't eat, drink soda or or stuff
like that. Actually a perversion of free market principles and
conservative principles. What we have right now food and farm
instries is completely the system, right it's not the free market.
Coke has lobbied that the Supplemental Nutrition Program SNAP is
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for Coke. That's a perversion of the market right there.
It's a perversion of the market. Eadize highly processed food
with ninety five percent of agriculture subsiase today in the
United States subsidize cigarettes tobacco more than fruits and vegetables
subsidized with all agriculture substats, which are more than any
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other country's agriculture subsidies combined in the world. Pepsidize corn, soy,
wheat debate basically the components of ultra process food which
are making us sick. Federal school lunch program, we have
no sugar limits. The lunchables is now considered a vegetable
literally because it has a vegetable in its craft is
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now saying it's the biggest growth area. Is taking tax
payer money because lunchibles is now a school But.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They don't have how much sodium in them? Do they CALLI?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, they've got they've got sodium, they've got highly processed ingredients,
they've got you know, it's just it's just not what
we should be as a public policy matter, being to
our kids. And so so you've had a situation when
conservatives on this issue, I think, don't want to be
then anty state may be careful. We're letting corney capitalists
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and run them up. We need to get the free
market re market. I don't support bands. I don't support
coke bands. I don't even support taxing coke, should not
sudizing ultra processed food that's directly leading the trillions of
dollars of downstream healthcare costs that are destroying our human capital.
A poor person in this country lowest income bracket dies
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ten years younger person at the upper income bracket. That's
almost entirely because of nutrition. We are losing out precious
human capital because we are destroying for income people who
felt literally they're becoming metabolic, is functional because of toxic
food that we are subsidizing through crony capitalism. So no,
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I don't support any taxes bans, but conservatives need to
step up. If we believe in believe in the power
of the individual and avando visual empowerment, make sure we
unwine this system, which is the second largest if you
add it all up industry in the country, be pushing
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for cheaper and addictive, really more toxic food. Kind of
makes sense. That's in there. Actors, they can advocate for
that healthcare system. Again, of health care costs rated after
people get sick, not to cure the condition, but to
manage the condition. The US government, if you add up
all the line items that the US government spends on these
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you know, for for Medicaid, all the lower income folks
who are diabetic. The government, the taxpayer is paying for that.
You know, medicare a programs. We are spending more on
ibsen departments, right, that's all going to the health candistry.
And it's a growth industry. Heart disease it's skyrocketing. Obviously,
we're spending significant to trillion dollars on associated heart disease issues.
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That's going from the government to the health care indistry.
This is no med but built to grow again. It's
being underwritten, it's being funded taxpayers on the front end
with food.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So, Kelly, let me interrupt you for a moment. I
watched I was on Houston City Council in the mid
aughts and I watched at the time, uh CCA the
privatized prison system, which I am a big believer in
the private sector instead of government. It's more efficient, it's
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cheaper to run, it's not unionized and all. But what
we found was CCA was lobbying to criminalize everything because
inmates were a business and they needed more inmates. So
we went in the state of Texas from a prison
overcrowding problem to no problem at all. We can put
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prisoners anywhere because CCA will take them. And it just
kept growing as a percentage of the budget, and then
finally we found out some really bad things were going on.
It turns out that the government is the biggest consumer
and the biggest paycheck you can get if you're a
vendor for a lot of different people. And what you're
trying to warn about in the book and in life
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and in your business is the idea that what we're
witnessing now is companies that are both creating the problem
and then solving the problem quote unquote solving or treating
for a long period of time because it can't be quick,
and in the meantime, the taxpayer is being built over
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a long period. I want to get to something before
we're done. I saw a post you put up it said,
I'm at the JP Morgan Healthcare conference, and speakers painted
a clear vision of the future. Kids getting so fat
that the standard of care is to inject them every
week of their lives, and rising rates of cancer among
kids as an opportunity, not a problem, to be reversed.
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I think it's very important that people understand and that
there are people out there very happy to get rich
by refusing to solve the problem because they can make
money off the problem. Talk a little bit about what
you witness there, because I think this is an important insight.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's been a big evolution. I think it's happening throughout
the conservative movement. I mean, we love business. I run
a business. The free market is the greatest mentioned I
think ever for human prosperity. I think is an existential threat.
I think the top existential threat is industrial complexes. And
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I think it's the healthcare industrial complex, the military industrial complex,
and to the education industrial complex. These omebas that are
built to grow and actually not serve purpose meant to.
I mean, the healthcare industry is foundationally not being in
the United States to human capital and reduce disease. It's
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built to make money. And we've you know, I know
you've talked a lot about the military industrial complex and
and incentives there and and potentially some suboptimal tims we've seen,
so so that that's that's the reality for we have.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We're gonna add a little bit about these whorehouses I
know all about.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Ramon wants to know what around the world is.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, Whisker biscuits, Honkey riders, Hoosker duos,
Whosker don'ts nips and dazers, whether without the scooter stick.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Or one single whistling kiddy, Jason Michael, how.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You're doing this is Shanley c licker. And I'm a
what you call it?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Watch the culture creed.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That's my new job title. That's for people that's ignorant
but want to say something about their fans. Thirty years ago,
I was sitting home looking at Good Times and JJ
and Flurd and then was about to get into it
with bookmen, and they cut into broadcast. It was a
special report. It's that President nicks Ford had quit. He
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he came on there with that long nose, sweating on
that upper lip.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Somebody, I'm threw up in here. I've had it with y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I'm gone. And Gerard Ford took over.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And I said, why did Nixon had to quit? And
they said cuz he spied on people and didn't lied
about it. I said, wait a minute, now, this sound
familiar this sure, dude, I said, Barack Obama spying on
every damn body that is it is drones flying all
over the projects monitoring people Facebook page. I said, why
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come up, why come Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Don't have to quit and let Gerald Ford stake over.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's a change that came over there.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Oh lord, I forgot if you mentioned Gerald Ford. Watch
this was to get excited ya.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
About a man over there, a good imbot.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
And there's a change that's come over America, a change
that's great to see. We're living here in peace again.
We're going back to work again. It's better than it
used to be. I'm feeling good about America, and I'm
feeling good about me. Yeah, I'm feeling good about America
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and something great to see. I'm feeling good about America
and I'm feeling good about me. Now we' we'll have
me a good bout movement.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Trust. You can no longer trust your government, you can
no longer trust companies. You can no longer trust the
teachers and the universities. Kelly Means is our guest, and
he was a food and drug industry lobbyist, and he's
got stories to tell you talk about the military industrial
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complex that that in a sense. George Washington warned against
a prize general and in his exit speech, Eisenhower arguably
the greatest speech he gave as a civilian. He warned
about this because war is big business, and it'd be
one thing if it was just a tax that went
to the war machine. But they have to send your
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boys in to emotionally invest you. And so that's what
Ukraine is, that's what the attempt to, that's what Iraq
in Afghanistan, that's what these efforts are. Is this this
the Neokon crowd in cahoots with with the DC industry.
When something becomes an industry, we lose sight of whether
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it's good or bad, or or the the the rational being.
It just it creates its own snowball effect. And I'm
glad you brought that up because the war industry as
its own industry. That's that's the perfect example.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And I think I think it's very instructive that JP
Morgan conference. So then I think there's there's a lot
of similarities here. So The New York Times actually, in
a good bit of reporting, recently did an article there's
actually a mass mental health problem among doctors where they
have a similar situation, a similar mental health challenge to
soldiers that were forced by their superiors to commit war crimes.
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So what doctors are actually seeing in mass or what
the psychological conditions you know, the rank and file soldiers
at Abu Gherb Health And what we're seeing is doctors, right,
think about the United States track the best and brightest
to get into the medical system, and there's much easier
ways they can make money. They get into the medical system. Fine,
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they're not there to actually make people healthier, which is
why they got in. Right, they're actually fundamentally that is bicker,
which is exactly what's happening. They're not solving the root
cause of why we're getting sick. My sister, who is
a surgeon, did nation surgery after sinus inflammation surgery. Patients
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kept coming back, kept coming back. She literally they were
so inflamed she cut off and their sinuses. It's not
she wasn't curing the under lying reason. They had inflammation
so much that their sinus has had to literally be
cut open. This is what's happening in every single sector. Right.
We're putting a band aid over it, money making recurring revenue,
but not actually solving the reason. And doctors are feeling
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very trapped. Like the military interstor complex taking good people. Right,
we're producing bad results, but nobody. Everyone has plausible deniability.
So in healthcare conference transcripts, they are literally celebrating growth
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as a growth area. They're celebrating exploding obesie rates as
an opportunity. They're celebrating the fact that the men is
getting younger and younger. Younger and younger people are getting
demntioned now because it's a metabolic condition tied to food,
and of course it's going down. They're not talking about
these warning problem they're talking about them as opportunities. And
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everyone there has plausible deniability because the way our system
has been set up, the incentives of this industrial complex
is to completely wash our hands of the reasons why
people are getting sick and accept that as a FATA,
complete right. Nobody in any level of medicine, from insurance
companies to the NAH which is totally in bed with pharma,
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to schools research institutions that are funded by these industries,
to hospitals which make money with more patients, nobody's asking
why all the patients are coming in. Nobody is taking
responsibility for that, not one person. That is a good thing, right,
And medicine and science is about how do we drug
those people? How do we actually make money from those people?
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So at JP Morgan, the biggest healthcare conference a year
that just wrapped up in San Francisco, it's an orgy
of corruption, right you would think and everyone would assume
that when the top healthcare leaders in the country get together,
they'll ask, how can we stop childhood obesely? What could
be more criminal? What could be you know, we talk
about free choice, We talk about freedom. Kind of argument
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falls a part when we look at five year olds
exponentially getting obese. That's not from personal choice to that child.
There's something happening. Moms aren't trying to shorten that child's life.
Was exactly what's happening if they're obese. There's something fundamentally
rigged that's happening. And the fact that people does that conference,
the fact that doctor Fauci, the fact that the head
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of the NAH, the fact that the head of Harvard
Medical School, the fact that they aren't talking about why
this is happening, but instead are profiting from it, it's
a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't care if somebody docs fakes you, you can't
shoot them.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Michael Barry, Joe, you can no longer longer trust your
government you can no longer trust companies, You can no
longer trust the teachers and the universities.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Kelly Means is our guest, and he was a food
and drug industry lobbyist, and he's got stories to tell.
I was interested in how you make a living in
this industry because I don't think it's and I don't
think those are contradictory, that you can both make a
living and do good.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely. Yeah, So I and you reached out about a
post I wrote about my mom who abruptly died of
pink credit cancer, and you know, which I consider a
preventable food born illness.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Before you get to that act I did. I was
trying to figure out how to bring this up without
making it weird. But since you brought it up, what
touched me, which was actually what brought you to my attention,
was none of this stuff we've talked about. I just
learned all that as I started reading. What what touched
me was that your mother wanted to go to the
place where she was buried before she was buried. You're
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some guy, I don't know, but a listener said, I
thought this story would touch you, and it did, and
it got me. Really could you just tell that story
unrelated to all this other nonsense, and then you can
get into her condition.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, and it honestly segues into my life mission. But
I'll tell this real quick, and I think hopefully it
resonates and hits with I think a spiritual problem with
what's happening in health. But I think my mom was
the classic American patient. You know, she was on it's
about seventy years old, on six medications over forty years, right,
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so that's kind of a right of passage in America.
You know, she had high cholesterol, was put on a dad,
told by her doctor that's normal. You know, forty percent
of people your age on a dad, had high blood sugar,
like more than fifty percent of American adults. Was put
on a net foreman, you know, high blood pressure. So
she was on a number of medications. Actually for seventy
years old, six medications was aage. So she was told
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by her doctor she was healthy. Then had a pain
in her stomach on her morning hike and went into
the hospital, got a scan and learned she had stage
four pink credit cancer. Called me and said she would
be dead in a couple of weeks. Completely surprising, and
two things, A couple things really formative happened there. When
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we met with the oncologists, the top on colle ships
in Stanford, they said it was a tough break. They said,
this is unlucky, but it really wasn't unlucky. Her high
blood pressure, high cholesterol, these were all warning signs. These
were all things that instead of throwing a pill at it,
there could have been explorations about why those things were
happening in her body, things that eventually gave her cancer
that could have been reversed. So this idea that cancer's
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random is completely a lie. And then the second thing
is there was a huge rush to intervene. So my
mom was going to die in a matter of weeks,
that was clear, and there was an all out press
to do biopsies, to do interventions, and with the force
of Stanford Hospital putting down on us, ninety nine percent
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of people would have said fine, yes, But my sister
was a former surgeon at Stanford and actually saw on
cologists her friends crying in the halls, feeling like the
incentives of medicine were forcing them to push interventions that
weren't necessary. And she pushed back and actually the doctor
admitted that most likely these interventions would produce negative results,
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and due to COVID protocols, she died alone in the hospital,
so we actually went against medical invites and took her home.
And over the thirteen days between that diagnosis and her death,
they were profound. They changed my life. My mom received
hundreds of letters and emails about how she impacted people's lives,
and it really just watching her read those emails and
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the dignity and the pride she had and her impact
on people's lives really showed me the meaning of life
in many ways. And then in her final moments of consciousness,
she asked to go to the beach to this beautiful
natural graveyard where she'd be and we carried her up
there and she embraced my dad where she would be buried,
and just thanked him and acknowledged their amazing life together.
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And it was just like could not have been more perfect.
And those moments changed my life. They really set the
meaning of life for me. I mean, these are these
are precious moments in life, and for ninety nine point
nine percent of people, I think that moment wouldn't have
happened because they would have listened to doctors who would
have made probably hundreds of thousands, if not a million,
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dollars on interventions if we just said yes, frankly, money
that would have been paid by tax payers from Medicare,
private Insturan. I mean, you know the hospital was gunning
for those interventions. So following that and following these lessons, yeah,
I'm a free market guy, and I said, how can
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we not complain about this, not handering about this, but
actually slant incentives? And I think that's the question anyone
interested in health. I just can't stress this enough. How
do you use the current broken system to incentivize that
path of curiosity? How can we make it that when
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somebody like my mom in the future has high blood sugar,
has high cholesterol, we need to be on a path
of curiosity. We need to be why is that happening
in our body? Why are ourselves disregulated? That could be
public policy, That could be you write American healthcare policy. Frankly,
is in other countries. The OBC rate in Japan is
seven times lower than the United States. And that's what
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led me to what I'm doing now. Again, if you
had a food prescription, if you literally hear your doctor
writes you a note when you have high cholesterol to
exercise more. If you can buy your gym membership tax free,
if you have a doctor's note, you can buy healthy
food tax free. You can say forty percent on healthy
food and exercise. I mean that's not everything, but that's
a start. That's what we should be doing with healthcare policies.
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Before prescribing anybody, you know, these chronic disease ineffective drugs,
we should be incentivizing them to actually do the things
that are not only going to reduce the matter and
the high cholesterol, but actually dramatically reduce their chance of
getting cancer hard to sase some life threatening thing later.
I mean a stat that I still can't get my
head around is that literally, if you exercise one hundred
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fifty minutes a week, that is more effective than taking
an SSRI and antidepressant and seeing a therapist. They've had
period huge studies on this, literally therapy and antidepressants first,
just exercise. We are animals right now that are being
forced fed altra process food. It's seventy percent of our diet.
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We're so sedentary that eighty percent of twenty one year
olds aren't eligible to join the military. You were sticking
kids in sunless, sedentary rooms for school, right, and we're
literally have weapons of mass destruction for every person in
America of chronic stress with our phones, like we have
a society just to destroy a metaval hell. And then
(32:04):
in the midst of those challenges, what our healthcare system
is doing is just drugging the problem, like this is
going to be the big threat to America because it's
also bankrupt. And that that what I'm doing, and I
think everyone who's trying to change how credits do How
can we slant dollars to root cause behaviors. That's not
(32:27):
a liberal thing, that's not a conservative thing. It's just
we're spending four tillion dollars in health that should go
to root cause things. Until we realize that, until we
realize the problem with healthcare isn't page fifty of Medicare party,
but it's the foundational incentive that every institution makes money
when we're sick. Until we change that word, and we're
going to be in a big problem.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Kelly means I'm up against a break. Thank you very much.
We will be promoting the book as I know you're
finishing it with your sister. As soon as it is available,
we will be promoting him. You can find him on Twitter.
C A L l e. Y. Hallie means and I
am actually looking forward to this book coming out and
promoting it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Mm hmm
I received, as I often do best show prep, a
link from a listener to some comments that have been
put up by a fellow named Calli means. I didn't
know if Kelly was a man or woman. I known
a CALLI that was a female. I had no idea
who this person was, and it was an interesting perspective,
and so I went to this person's feed and I
(00:21):
looked at kind of their body of work and I
saw that they were posting some interesting things about things
that I care about. And I reached out and here
we are and correct me if I'm wrong. Kelli means
you are a former lobbyist for the food and drug
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of food and big pharma companies. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And now you have and this is just going by
reading comments that you've put up. There's a theme to this.
You have a company called True Med Payments that is
focused on healthy living and not buying into the BS.
Take about thirty seconds because there's a lot of want
to get to to tell us what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely well, yeah, Michael, I think one of the biggest
issues in the country is through crony capitalism, which I
saw working for these industries right now. Ninety five percent
of healthcare payments go to interventions after we get sick
to manage conditions after we get sick. So fundaments, I
think the incentive problem we have is that all of
the institutions of healthcare make money when we're sicker for
(01:30):
longer periods of time. It's for interventions and chronic condition
drugs that prescribe for life. That's how the system makes money,
which is what I saw and what Trueman does. What
our insight is is that doctors can actually write, literally
write prescriptions for food and exercise, things we all should
be incentivized to do and actually attack the root cause
of nine out of ten killers of Americans right now,
(01:54):
which are lifestyle conditions.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, So you put up on post ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
If a doctor writes a prescription for food and exercise,
you can actually use tax free, medically fanished dollars for that.
That's our insight.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So you're talking about healthy, cost effective ways. You're talking
about cost effective ways to have better health. There is
no doubt that obesity is the root cause of almost
every major health condition in this country, and we can't
seem to solve that problem. We went from not enough
(02:29):
food to too much food or all the wrong foods,
and it's become a cultural phenomenon. Look at a photo
of people frolicking on the beach in the sixties and
nobody's fat. Look at a photo today and they're beached wells,
I mean it is widespread. I mean most Americans have
struggled in one way or another with weight. And I
(02:49):
don't mean vanity related, I mean obesity. So here's an example.
So sixteen hours ago you posted Novo Nordisk, which is ozimbic.
Uh pays Harvard doctors to say obesity is genetic and
not tied to food, and then Weight Watchers uses that
(03:10):
quote unquote research to advertise ozimpic and lobby for federal funding.
Step three, Downtown Manhattan is plastered with this Orwellian messaging
and that is this fat woman and an ad that
says obesity is a chronic condition. Let's treat it like one.
Weight Watchers Clinic, zero stigma, expert care. So I don't
(03:35):
want to put words in your mouth. What exactly are
you saying here?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah? So I'm a conservative, and I think free choice
and person responsibility is very important. When you have in
one generation, right, you basically had sub close to a
zero percent OBC rate, zero percent rates and a lot
of these chronic conditions like diabetes. Predicting them on kids,
it was literally zero percent about a generation and go
(04:03):
among kids now skyrocketing is now eighty percent of American
adults are overweight to obese, fifty percent of US teams
over waight toor abes. Diabetes among teens is now thirty
three excuse me, pre diabetes, it's thirty three percent. I mean,
you have a situation where you've got to ask, what's
happened to the system. Did Americans become lazier? Did they
(04:24):
become more frankly suicidal with these skyrocketing obest rates? Or
people trying to have lower life expected? Is what's happening now? No,
there's really been a systemic weaponization of food. Food's gotten
more addictive and it's kinden more toxic, and we can
talk about that, but there's really been a systemic effort
and working for the food and farmer companies. These are
(04:46):
the two biggest spenders in DC. And what I saw
was a devil's bargain where we're obviously manifestly right, we're
getting sicker because of food. And I don't think that's
even disputed. We're getting sicker, fatter, more depressed, born for
because of what's in our food. The real criminal thing
here is that the pharmaceutical and health chemistry, instead of
speaking about why we're getting sick, they're profiting from us
(05:10):
being sick and OBESTI is a great example. So back
ten years ago, I worked for the food companies as
we lobbied for continued foodstamps funding for soda, which is
obviously just suicidal, paying and subsidizing ten billion dollars a
year from the federal treasury to soda companies, which is
what we do with our food stamp program. Soda is
the number one item on food stamps. There was not
(05:34):
a word of protests from medical organizations about that. They
were fine with that, they didn't speak out about that.
In fact, Coca Cola pays money to the American Diabetes
Association and other medical groups. So now that kids are
increasing the obese and Americans are increasing obese, now there's
huge noise from the medical groups that Ozimpic, this new
(05:58):
miracle drug, an injection that you have to take once
a week for life. The American Academy, the American Academy pediatrics,
arguing that every overweight or beats twelve year old should
have that as the standard of care. This is a
drug that makes pharma, who pays the medical groups, who's
the chief funder of the medical groups, including the American
Academy of pedidaddricts. This is a fifteen thousand dollars per
(06:21):
year drug per life. That there is aggressive lobbying from
the medical industry to be the standard of care for
the largest target market and health, which is obesity. And
where the research comes in and what I was shocked
working for the food and pharmaceutical companies is that a
(06:42):
Harvard research report is like ordering a public relations document.
This professor for TIMA, Cody Stanford, wh leads OBEs research
at Harvard, has accepted over one hundred thousand dollars from
Novo Nordics. She goes on sixty Minutes, which the chief
funder of sixty Minutes is pharmaceutical companies, says that obesit
is a brain disease, it's a genetic condition and not
(07:02):
tied to food and lifestyle, and that her work at
Harvard has substantiated that. Companies then take that and then
are able to argue that you're anti science and disagreeing
with research from Harvard if you say that obestie has
anything to do with the choice, and that it's a
moral imperative, in fact, a racial quality imperative. They tie
DEI up into this to support government funding for obese drugs,
(07:27):
and it's actually classes fat phobic and even racist to
suggest food or lifestyle has anything to do with obest
This is the trend we've seen throughout you know, as
psylo and chronic conditions. And we have a situation where,
you know, we're spending more and more on diabetes, more
and more on heart disease, more and more on cancer,
more and more on Alzheimer's, more and more in depression,
(07:48):
more and more in obeste You know, health costs or
outpacing inflation by two x. It's the largest and fastest
growing industry in the country. But as we spend more money,
we have worse outcomes. Every condition I just mentioned is
going up as we're spending more to treat it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I did hurt Cameron of the famous Growing Pains man.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If it worked for growing pains, I wouldn't be on
the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Kelly means it's our guest. He was a food and
drug industry lobbyist, and he's got stories to tell. I
guess what.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I guess what.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Disturbs me about all of this. You know you'll hear,
you know, you hear some old guy on his front porch,
because old houses had front porches, and they'll make a
statement and you don't realize the wisdom of it until
much later in life. I remember hearing people when I
was a kid. There was always some old man in
(08:46):
overalls with no shirt and bare feet in Southeast Texas
where I grew up, saying something like it don't pay
to cure you. They just want to keep getting paid
to treat you. And you see this in case after
case after case of real public health dilemmas. And I'm
a freedom guy, so I don't believe the government should
(09:07):
be restricting what people eat and all these sorts. But
I see them actually dumping things, spraying things, imposing things,
injecting things into the bodies of poor people, and it
kills me. It's Tuskegee Institute all over again. So if
we were to start with the premise Cali, that CALLI means,
(09:29):
as our guest, If we were to start with the
premise that the pharmaceutical companies and big food are in
cahoots to sell us bad foods and then treat us
for life based on federal socialized spending on these what
would be the best examples you would use? And I
know you've got a book coming out, and I believe
(09:50):
you address that in that book.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I think this is a vital unpack actually
for people who believe in freedom and conservatives, which I am.
And I want to be clear, I was fooled by this.
So when I worked for the food companies would message
to conservative lawmakers that's it's a nanny state situation to
tell poor people what to eat and that we can't
(10:18):
pay that they can't eat, drink soda or or stuff
like that. Actually a perversion of free market principles and
conservative principles. What we have right now food and farm
instries is completely the system, right it's not the free market.
Coke has lobbied that the Supplemental Nutrition Program SNAP is
(10:42):
for Coke. That's a perversion of the market right there.
It's a perversion of the market. Eadize highly processed food
with ninety five percent of agriculture subsiase today in the
United States subsidize cigarettes tobacco more than fruits and vegetables
subsidized with all agriculture substats, which are more than any
(11:03):
other country's agriculture subsidies combined in the world. Pepsidize corn, soy,
wheat debate basically the components of ultra process food which
are making us sick. Federal school lunch program, we have
no sugar limits. The lunchables is now considered a vegetable
literally because it has a vegetable in its craft is
(11:24):
now saying it's the biggest growth area. Is taking tax
payer money because lunchibles is now a school But.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
They don't have how much sodium in them? Do they CALLI?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, they've got they've got sodium, they've got highly processed ingredients,
they've got you know, it's just it's just not what
we should be as a public policy matter, being to
our kids. And so so you've had a situation when
conservatives on this issue, I think, don't want to be
then anty state may be careful. We're letting corney capitalists
(11:57):
and run them up. We need to get the free
market re market. I don't support bands. I don't support
coke bands. I don't even support taxing coke, should not
sudizing ultra processed food that's directly leading the trillions of
dollars of downstream healthcare costs that are destroying our human capital.
A poor person in this country lowest income bracket dies
(12:21):
ten years younger person at the upper income bracket. That's
almost entirely because of nutrition. We are losing out precious
human capital because we are destroying for income people who
felt literally they're becoming metabolic, is functional because of toxic
food that we are subsidizing through crony capitalism. So no,
(12:44):
I don't support any taxes bans, but conservatives need to
step up. If we believe in believe in the power
of the individual and avando visual empowerment, make sure we
unwine this system, which is the second largest if you
add it all up industry in the country, be pushing
(13:06):
for cheaper and addictive, really more toxic food. Kind of
makes sense. That's in there. Actors, they can advocate for
that healthcare system. Again, of health care costs rated after
people get sick, not to cure the condition, but to
manage the condition. The US government, if you add up
all the line items that the US government spends on these
(13:29):
you know, for for Medicaid, all the lower income folks
who are diabetic. The government, the taxpayer is paying for that.
You know, medicare a programs. We are spending more on
ibsen departments, right, that's all going to the health candistry.
And it's a growth industry. Heart disease it's skyrocketing. Obviously,
we're spending significant to trillion dollars on associated heart disease issues.
(13:52):
That's going from the government to the health care indistry.
This is no med but built to grow again. It's
being underwritten, it's being funded taxpayers on the front end
with food.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So, Kelly, let me interrupt you for a moment. I
watched I was on Houston City Council in the mid
aughts and I watched at the time, uh CCA the
privatized prison system, which I am a big believer in
the private sector instead of government. It's more efficient, it's
(14:27):
cheaper to run, it's not unionized and all. But what
we found was CCA was lobbying to criminalize everything because
inmates were a business and they needed more inmates. So
we went in the state of Texas from a prison
overcrowding problem to no problem at all. We can put
(14:49):
prisoners anywhere because CCA will take them. And it just
kept growing as a percentage of the budget, and then
finally we found out some really bad things were going on.
It turns out that the government is the biggest consumer
and the biggest paycheck you can get if you're a
vendor for a lot of different people. And what you're
trying to warn about in the book and in life
(15:11):
and in your business is the idea that what we're
witnessing now is companies that are both creating the problem
and then solving the problem quote unquote solving or treating
for a long period of time because it can't be quick,
and in the meantime, the taxpayer is being built over
(15:31):
a long period. I want to get to something before
we're done. I saw a post you put up it said,
I'm at the JP Morgan Healthcare conference, and speakers painted
a clear vision of the future. Kids getting so fat
that the standard of care is to inject them every
week of their lives, and rising rates of cancer among
kids as an opportunity, not a problem, to be reversed.
(15:57):
I think it's very important that people understand and that
there are people out there very happy to get rich
by refusing to solve the problem because they can make
money off the problem. Talk a little bit about what
you witness there, because I think this is an important insight.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's been a big evolution. I think it's happening throughout
the conservative movement. I mean, we love business. I run
a business. The free market is the greatest mentioned I
think ever for human prosperity. I think is an existential threat.
I think the top existential threat is industrial complexes. And
(16:37):
I think it's the healthcare industrial complex, the military industrial complex,
and to the education industrial complex. These omebas that are
built to grow and actually not serve purpose meant to.
I mean, the healthcare industry is foundationally not being in
the United States to human capital and reduce disease. It's
(17:00):
built to make money. And we've you know, I know
you've talked a lot about the military industrial complex and
and incentives there and and potentially some suboptimal tims we've seen,
so so that that's that's the reality for we have.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We're gonna add a little bit about these whorehouses I
know all about.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Ramon wants to know what around the world is.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, Whisker biscuits, Honkey riders, Hoosker duos,
Whosker don'ts nips and dazers, whether without the scooter stick.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Or one single whistling kiddy, Jason Michael, how.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You're doing this is Shanley c licker. And I'm a
what you call it?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Watch the culture creed.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That's my new job title. That's for people that's ignorant
but want to say something about their fans. Thirty years ago,
I was sitting home looking at Good Times and JJ
and Flurd and then was about to get into it
with bookmen, and they cut into broadcast. It was a
special report. It's that President nicks Ford had quit. He
(18:00):
he came on there with that long nose, sweating on
that upper lip.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Somebody, I'm threw up in here. I've had it with y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I'm gone. And Gerard Ford took over.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And I said, why did Nixon had to quit? And
they said cuz he spied on people and didn't lied
about it. I said, wait a minute, now, this sound
familiar this sure, dude, I said, Barack Obama spying on
every damn body that is it is drones flying all
over the projects monitoring people Facebook page. I said, why
(18:33):
come up, why come Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Don't have to quit and let Gerald Ford stake over.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's a change that came over there.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Oh lord, I forgot if you mentioned Gerald Ford. Watch
this was to get excited ya.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
About a man over there, a good imbot.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
And there's a change that's come over America, a change
that's great to see. We're living here in peace again.
We're going back to work again. It's better than it
used to be. I'm feeling good about America, and I'm
feeling good about me. Yeah, I'm feeling good about America
(19:24):
and something great to see. I'm feeling good about America
and I'm feeling good about me. Now we' we'll have
me a good bout movement.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Trust. You can no longer trust your government, you can
no longer trust companies. You can no longer trust the
teachers and the universities. Kelly Means is our guest, and
he was a food and drug industry lobbyist, and he's
got stories to tell you talk about the military industrial
(20:00):
complex that that in a sense. George Washington warned against
a prize general and in his exit speech, Eisenhower arguably
the greatest speech he gave as a civilian. He warned
about this because war is big business, and it'd be
one thing if it was just a tax that went
to the war machine. But they have to send your
(20:22):
boys in to emotionally invest you. And so that's what
Ukraine is, that's what the attempt to, that's what Iraq
in Afghanistan, that's what these efforts are. Is this this
the Neokon crowd in cahoots with with the DC industry.
When something becomes an industry, we lose sight of whether
(20:43):
it's good or bad, or or the the the rational being.
It just it creates its own snowball effect. And I'm
glad you brought that up because the war industry as
its own industry. That's that's the perfect example.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And I think I think it's very instructive that JP
Morgan conference. So then I think there's there's a lot
of similarities here. So The New York Times actually, in
a good bit of reporting, recently did an article there's
actually a mass mental health problem among doctors where they
have a similar situation, a similar mental health challenge to
soldiers that were forced by their superiors to commit war crimes.
(21:22):
So what doctors are actually seeing in mass or what
the psychological conditions you know, the rank and file soldiers
at Abu Gherb Health And what we're seeing is doctors, right,
think about the United States track the best and brightest
to get into the medical system, and there's much easier
ways they can make money. They get into the medical system. Fine,
(21:42):
they're not there to actually make people healthier, which is
why they got in. Right, they're actually fundamentally that is bicker,
which is exactly what's happening. They're not solving the root
cause of why we're getting sick. My sister, who is
a surgeon, did nation surgery after sinus inflammation surgery. Patients
(22:05):
kept coming back, kept coming back. She literally they were
so inflamed she cut off and their sinuses. It's not
she wasn't curing the under lying reason. They had inflammation
so much that their sinus has had to literally be
cut open. This is what's happening in every single sector. Right.
We're putting a band aid over it, money making recurring revenue,
but not actually solving the reason. And doctors are feeling
(22:28):
very trapped. Like the military interstor complex taking good people. Right,
we're producing bad results, but nobody. Everyone has plausible deniability.
So in healthcare conference transcripts, they are literally celebrating growth
(22:51):
as a growth area. They're celebrating exploding obesie rates as
an opportunity. They're celebrating the fact that the men is
getting younger and younger. Younger and younger people are getting
demntioned now because it's a metabolic condition tied to food,
and of course it's going down. They're not talking about
these warning problem they're talking about them as opportunities. And
(23:19):
everyone there has plausible deniability because the way our system
has been set up, the incentives of this industrial complex
is to completely wash our hands of the reasons why
people are getting sick and accept that as a FATA,
complete right. Nobody in any level of medicine, from insurance
companies to the NAH which is totally in bed with pharma,
(23:41):
to schools research institutions that are funded by these industries,
to hospitals which make money with more patients, nobody's asking
why all the patients are coming in. Nobody is taking
responsibility for that, not one person. That is a good thing, right,
And medicine and science is about how do we drug
those people? How do we actually make money from those people?
(24:02):
So at JP Morgan, the biggest healthcare conference a year
that just wrapped up in San Francisco, it's an orgy
of corruption, right you would think and everyone would assume
that when the top healthcare leaders in the country get together,
they'll ask, how can we stop childhood obesely? What could
be more criminal? What could be you know, we talk
about free choice, We talk about freedom. Kind of argument
(24:23):
falls a part when we look at five year olds
exponentially getting obese. That's not from personal choice to that child.
There's something happening. Moms aren't trying to shorten that child's life.
Was exactly what's happening if they're obese. There's something fundamentally
rigged that's happening. And the fact that people does that conference,
the fact that doctor Fauci, the fact that the head
(24:43):
of the NAH, the fact that the head of Harvard
Medical School, the fact that they aren't talking about why
this is happening, but instead are profiting from it, it's
a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't care if somebody docs fakes you, you can't
shoot them.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Michael Barry, Joe, you can no longer longer trust your
government you can no longer trust companies, You can no
longer trust the teachers and the universities.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Kelly Means is our guest, and he was a food
and drug industry lobbyist, and he's got stories to tell.
I was interested in how you make a living in
this industry because I don't think it's and I don't
think those are contradictory, that you can both make a
living and do good.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely. Yeah, So I and you reached out about a
post I wrote about my mom who abruptly died of
pink credit cancer, and you know, which I consider a
preventable food born illness.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Before you get to that act I did. I was
trying to figure out how to bring this up without
making it weird. But since you brought it up, what
touched me, which was actually what brought you to my attention,
was none of this stuff we've talked about. I just
learned all that as I started reading. What what touched
me was that your mother wanted to go to the
place where she was buried before she was buried. You're
(26:07):
some guy, I don't know, but a listener said, I
thought this story would touch you, and it did, and
it got me. Really could you just tell that story
unrelated to all this other nonsense, and then you can
get into her condition.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, and it honestly segues into my life mission. But
I'll tell this real quick, and I think hopefully it
resonates and hits with I think a spiritual problem with
what's happening in health. But I think my mom was
the classic American patient. You know, she was on it's
about seventy years old, on six medications over forty years, right,
(26:40):
so that's kind of a right of passage in America.
You know, she had high cholesterol, was put on a dad,
told by her doctor that's normal. You know, forty percent
of people your age on a dad, had high blood sugar,
like more than fifty percent of American adults. Was put
on a net foreman, you know, high blood pressure. So
she was on a number of medications. Actually for seventy
years old, six medications was aage. So she was told
(27:01):
by her doctor she was healthy. Then had a pain
in her stomach on her morning hike and went into
the hospital, got a scan and learned she had stage
four pink credit cancer. Called me and said she would
be dead in a couple of weeks. Completely surprising, and
two things, A couple things really formative happened there. When
(27:23):
we met with the oncologists, the top on colle ships
in Stanford, they said it was a tough break. They said,
this is unlucky, but it really wasn't unlucky. Her high
blood pressure, high cholesterol, these were all warning signs. These
were all things that instead of throwing a pill at it,
there could have been explorations about why those things were
happening in her body, things that eventually gave her cancer
that could have been reversed. So this idea that cancer's
(27:44):
random is completely a lie. And then the second thing
is there was a huge rush to intervene. So my
mom was going to die in a matter of weeks,
that was clear, and there was an all out press
to do biopsies, to do interventions, and with the force
of Stanford Hospital putting down on us, ninety nine percent
(28:05):
of people would have said fine, yes, But my sister
was a former surgeon at Stanford and actually saw on
cologists her friends crying in the halls, feeling like the
incentives of medicine were forcing them to push interventions that
weren't necessary. And she pushed back and actually the doctor
admitted that most likely these interventions would produce negative results,
(28:25):
and due to COVID protocols, she died alone in the hospital,
so we actually went against medical invites and took her home.
And over the thirteen days between that diagnosis and her death,
they were profound. They changed my life. My mom received
hundreds of letters and emails about how she impacted people's lives,
and it really just watching her read those emails and
(28:46):
the dignity and the pride she had and her impact
on people's lives really showed me the meaning of life
in many ways. And then in her final moments of consciousness,
she asked to go to the beach to this beautiful
natural graveyard where she'd be and we carried her up
there and she embraced my dad where she would be buried,
and just thanked him and acknowledged their amazing life together.
(29:09):
And it was just like could not have been more perfect.
And those moments changed my life. They really set the
meaning of life for me. I mean, these are these
are precious moments in life, and for ninety nine point
nine percent of people, I think that moment wouldn't have
happened because they would have listened to doctors who would
have made probably hundreds of thousands, if not a million,
(29:31):
dollars on interventions if we just said yes, frankly, money
that would have been paid by tax payers from Medicare,
private Insturan. I mean, you know the hospital was gunning
for those interventions. So following that and following these lessons, yeah,
I'm a free market guy, and I said, how can
(29:52):
we not complain about this, not handering about this, but
actually slant incentives? And I think that's the question anyone
interested in health. I just can't stress this enough. How
do you use the current broken system to incentivize that
path of curiosity? How can we make it that when
(30:14):
somebody like my mom in the future has high blood sugar,
has high cholesterol, we need to be on a path
of curiosity. We need to be why is that happening
in our body? Why are ourselves disregulated? That could be
public policy, That could be you write American healthcare policy. Frankly,
is in other countries. The OBC rate in Japan is
seven times lower than the United States. And that's what
(30:36):
led me to what I'm doing now. Again, if you
had a food prescription, if you literally hear your doctor
writes you a note when you have high cholesterol to
exercise more. If you can buy your gym membership tax free,
if you have a doctor's note, you can buy healthy
food tax free. You can say forty percent on healthy
food and exercise. I mean that's not everything, but that's
a start. That's what we should be doing with healthcare policies.
(30:58):
Before prescribing anybody, you know, these chronic disease ineffective drugs,
we should be incentivizing them to actually do the things
that are not only going to reduce the matter and
the high cholesterol, but actually dramatically reduce their chance of
getting cancer hard to sase some life threatening thing later.
I mean a stat that I still can't get my
head around is that literally, if you exercise one hundred
(31:20):
fifty minutes a week, that is more effective than taking
an SSRI and antidepressant and seeing a therapist. They've had
period huge studies on this, literally therapy and antidepressants first,
just exercise. We are animals right now that are being
forced fed altra process food. It's seventy percent of our diet.
(31:42):
We're so sedentary that eighty percent of twenty one year
olds aren't eligible to join the military. You were sticking
kids in sunless, sedentary rooms for school, right, and we're
literally have weapons of mass destruction for every person in
America of chronic stress with our phones, like we have
a society just to destroy a metaval hell. And then
(32:04):
in the midst of those challenges, what our healthcare system
is doing is just drugging the problem, like this is
going to be the big threat to America because it's
also bankrupt. And that that what I'm doing, and I
think everyone who's trying to change how credits do How
can we slant dollars to root cause behaviors. That's not
(32:27):
a liberal thing, that's not a conservative thing. It's just
we're spending four tillion dollars in health that should go
to root cause things. Until we realize that, until we
realize the problem with healthcare isn't page fifty of Medicare party,
but it's the foundational incentive that every institution makes money
when we're sick. Until we change that word, and we're
going to be in a big problem.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Kelly means I'm up against a break. Thank you very much.
We will be promoting the book as I know you're
finishing it with your sister. As soon as it is available,
we will be promoting him. You can find him on Twitter.
C A L l e. Y. Hallie means and I
am actually looking forward to this book coming out and
promoting it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Mm hmm
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