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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Got an email during the break somebody has said, we
should teach our kids money. They should learn about mortgages
and interest rates and compounding and investing. You know, when
I was running for city council, first time it was,
the election was in two thousand and one, but I
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went around to well respected business leaders around town and
one of them was a guy named Dean Kannale, and
he had a blue chip, well respected boutique trust company
called Kannale Trust, and you had to have a certain
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threshold to be a client of his boutique firm. And
at the time it felt like eighty trillion dollars, but
we didn't. Incomes and wealth increased exponentially in the last
two decades in a way they had never on scale
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like that before. So let's say you had to have
a million dollars in two thousand to be his client,
which was a big threshold. And I asked for his
support to run for city council and he said, I
will give you support if you will give me an
hour to talk about the fundamentals of finance, personal finance.
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I want you to understand how they work, and I
want to explain it to you, and I want you
to listen to me. And I did, and it probably
turned into two hours. And I didn't do a lot
of what he told me to do at the time,
wish I had, but I did some and it stayed
in my mind, and as I got older, and I
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started thinking about things like, what if you have a
stroke and can't work anymore, what.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
If you get fired? What if? What if? What if?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What are you doing to at least make sure that
you got, you know, via any sausages and salting crackers.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
For the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And so I think about all the things that people
don't know, that they either learned the hard way too late,
or never learn and don't understand. And I think think
that's unfortunate, because we all pay into this school system,
whether we send kids there or not, we all pay
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into this school system to teach young people things. And
I think we got lost along the way as to
what's important. And if I'm being completely honest and I'm
not insulting women and I'm not insulting teachers, I think
that in most cases you've got teachers who are women
who themselves don't know anything about finance, are engineering or
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science who even the best intended teachers are caregivers. They
love children, they want to see children develop, They care
a lot about a child's confidence, and these sorts of things,
which is good, don't get me wrong. But you can't
teach what you don't know. Who is it Seneca who
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said teaching is learning. When I give a speech, which
I give fewer and fewer these days, but when I
give us speech to a group and they asked me
to speak on a particular subject, instead of just speak,
I will often go back and review facts and figures
and things about what I'm going to talk about. And
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that's not teaching per se, but in a sense it is.
And I find that at the end of that I
feel very refreshed and invigorated from that learning process I
undertook to get to the point to deliver that speech.
Let's start with Chris, then Kyle, then Gay, Dave, then Heather,
than Mike. Chris, You're on the Michael, But how about that?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Chris? Kyle?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What what? What just happened?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Chris? You're up? Gohed? I bet Ramon didn't pot him on.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Go ahead, Chris, yes, I was just calling to say
how they should teach you, you know, common common sense
things like how to change a tier, how to change
a light bulb, how to do common things that these
kids these days, they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
They're just agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, you look ideally a dad out to teach
his kid that, and I think there's a lot of
people who would say, yeah, they ought to.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Who haven't done that.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know, sports is such a such an interesting thing
because it's very natural. I grew up playing youth sports,
so I wanted my kids to play youth sports. I
spent so much quality time with my kids, driving them
to and from sports, hitting grounders, catching balls, throwing balls,
throwing hitting up pop flies, teaching them the elements of
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the sports.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I love that they.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Were then playing. And it's a very natural and easy thing.
I think if you didn't grow up learning how to
change a tire, change the light bulb, take things apart,
replace them, then you don't teach it to your child.
You know, people teach their kids to fish because they
themselves fished, which's.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
A great father son.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's not life skill, except maybe it is because having
a hobby, developing a hobby I think is an important
life skill is something I've not been very good at.
My hobby is learning, and I learned to channel that.
But people who love to hunt love to fish. I
think it's an important part of good sound mindset.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Kyle, you're up, go. What should people learn in school
that they don't now?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I've got a long laundry list, But my biggest pet
peeve is learning how to hold a writing instrument, how
to form a letter, and how to write in cursive.
Three children that can do neither, and they're all in
their twenties, and it just drives me crazy whenever they send.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Me a note.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
There are two used to being on the computer or
their phone, and they don't learn the the basic forming
a letter. You know, it's crazy they don't teach that.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Kyle.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Let me ask you something, and I'm not disagreeing, but
I've given this some thought. Why is it important that
children learn cursive?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Because the best form of saying thank you is a
personal handwritten note. You're drop in the mailbox.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But you can write a hand will that is printed.
I've asked myself this and I can't come up with
a good answer. I wish somebody would answer this for
me and help me out.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I just believe it looks more formal and as opposed
to thanks and block lettering. You know, yeah, I suppose
my opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I suppose you're right for me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I didn't give you my answer because I want to
hear yours for me. There's something unique about each person's cursive.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Is it loopy? Is it height?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it does it lean like italics?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Do they press hard or light?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I find all of those things to be, you know,
part of our signature, part of our DNA, part of
our individuality. And I find that interesting. All right, Gay,
Dave and Heather, y'all hold on for just a moment.
And we have phone lines that just opened up seven three, nine,
one thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
They're all duncans, and do you know duncan means yr y'oll.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I got an email in the break my fullow names Okay,
he's Greg, his son is Mikey. And I had asked
on Facebook for people, as I often do, to send
me quirky unique startup businesses. Businesses are nostalgia businesses that
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our owner occupy, owner operated interesting business callers. Hold just
a moment, I'll be right with you, And he sent
me email. He said, our son is the founder of
a company called Pero Pa.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Started it from scratch.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's a marketplace for accounting professionals. It matches accountants their
skill sets with clients in need of fractional services. So,
if you think of Percento Technologies, which has been a
sponsor of my show for probably fifteen years, m I
said my show, I met our show, Me and Chad.
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Percento Technologies was built on the concept that many companies,
even mid sized companies, don't have the.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
IT prowess.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They don't have a robust enough IT presence to handle
the growth and development. And you know that Let's say
they're going out to spend a million dollars on technology,
just just upgrading computers, which is what Ramone's wife does
for Texas Laws Shield, just buying all new computers. Okay,
are we going to deploy those?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
How are we going to do those?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How are we going to make it scalable? How are
we staying up with where we're going to be in
a year? I mean, you know, you feel bad when
you're the guy that buys a year model of a
car and you don't get a discount because that model's
going away and two months later they flip to a
new model in your car looks ten years old.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You're bummed out right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, it's even worse with computers, and now you've got
security because you got all these hacks and you got
ransomware and all that and performance, speed and everything that
goes with that. So percento is based on the idea
that you have an IT department that you can't afford
full time, and you and you pay a for fractional
interest of their you know, fractional services, because you don't
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need a guy at three hundred thousand dollars a year
or whatever they make full time half the time he's
goofing off.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You just need a part of what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I would think that would be true with accounting,
I suppose. I mean, I keep my accountants pretty busy
at at DeRos Partners because I want to look at
strategically making good decisions, not just complying with tax codes.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't want to push the limits because I have
a target on my back. But I also don't want
to miss out on things that are obvious. So I
need full time accounting services. Some folks that are small,
I would assume probably only need a little bit, and
they would be below the threshold of Darroche Partners. I
get a lot of emails from people who will say, hey,
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can you send me to your accountants? And I vet
them for Deroche because they're meant for high net worth
individuals and mid size companies and above. They're not efficient
or cost efficient for a guy just trying to do
his personal taxes. So, you know, I think there's probably
a niche somewhere in there below what Deroche Partners does.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
All right, Gay Dave, you're up?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Hey, mornings are they need to teach the US Constitution
for at least the whole year so people understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, you know, I wonder you know a lot of
people will tell me, do.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You grow up in Texas?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I didn't. I grew up in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's gay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Do you know that you have you have?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But hold on, I want to tell you this. You
have become such a resource for our show that every
time something comes up, Ramone will say you should ask
Gay Dave, like, what what is like? There'll be something
that happens and he'll say, we don't have good Gator
you should ask Gay Dave what he thinks about that,
But I don't want to, you know, I don't want
to ask you too many questions. But Ramone's best.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I can I tell you? Can I tell you a
quick story about a cursive writing about what? When I
was in eighth grade? Yeah, cursive writing story. When I
was in eighth grade, I had a history teacher and
an English teacher. A history teacher used to take off
a point every time I'd write partly in print and
not incursive on her tests. So I get one hundred
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on the tests and end up with like an eighty.
So one day she's writing on the truck board and
what does she do. She does exactly what she used
to take every every.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Point off for.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And I stood up there, like you hypocrite, and I
went off on her right. And then she started like
yelling back. And then this kid, Jason Cardon, who never
gets in trouble, gets up and starts defending me. His
mom was a teacher in the school, and she kicks
us both out of class. Who went to We had
to go see the scariest principle I ever had, Mister Dorney,
this big bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Of a man.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So we get in there and he's like, what are
you two doing in here? And I tell him the story.
He marches us back to class and he pulls her
in the hallway and he starts going off on her,
and I was like, oh my god, this is awesome.
It's like the best moment. And shut enough. She came
back in with the red face and for the rest
of the year she I mean she hated me anyway,
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but she really really hated me after that. But it
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I love it. Thank you, Gay Dave.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So this cursive issue keeps coming up, and look, I
can say, yes, the kids all have to learn cursive.
Cursive is important, but I think it's very important that
you be able to question positions you have and answer
them as if someone else had asked it, answered it,
asked you, so I said earlier, why is it important
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that kids learn cursive? I hope they learn cursive because
I learned cursive, right. I hope they think Dan Pastorini's
a great guy, because I think Dan Pastorin's a great guy.
But I don't know that it's going to make a
difference to a kid's future. I hope they think the
oilers were the coolest team in the NFL. But I
don't think it's going to make a difference. And if
they don't, then I don't think that's really a position
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actually be taken up. So I asked the question, why
is it important that kids learn cursive? I don't disagree,
but let's ask questions. And I keep getting emails from
people saying they have to be able to read the documents.
I got ten emails to that effect. In the first break,
can you honestly tell me? Ramon?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'll ask you. I want you to be honest. Have
you read the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Of Independence in the original cursive? No you haven't, and
you're a history buff and I'm going to tell you
something else. And people don't want to hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Nobody has.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
When I say nobody, it's a rounding error because it's
less than one percent. Oh no, no, no, no. You've
looked at the document during a ken Burn's documentary when
they scrolled across the screen. You've seen pictures of it,
and you know you've seen the couple of the letters,
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because if you've actually read it, you should be able
to tell me which letters that we use today were
not used as such in the original let's just take
the declaration of endid penance, because people tell me that's
important because they don't use the exact spelling. There are
certain letters we use today that they did not use
in that form at that time, and you don't know that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Do you know why you don't know that? Because you
didn't read that in cursive.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's also very hard to read their script because they
have a very flowing, languid style of writing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So what happened? Somebody typed that up? You know what
typing is. It's print.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's easier to read. There's a reason you don't read
books in cursive.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know we're all supposed to say I miss cursive,
I miss cursing, but I think that's pop. Some people
are saying, if the old documents are the reason you're
not reading old documents cursive, I guarantee.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You I've got nothing going on down there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know what strikes me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's a little disappointing, but it strikes me as interesting
how many people get angry if you simply question someone.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
My favorite chocolate.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That is where I went to school, Is it? Yes?
What were you just saying?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't my favorite food is chocolate?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Really is it?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well, yeah, why would it be?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Is it's that's all? As the English will say, is it?
It's almost like Okay, So Ramon started asking me questions
during the break and said, you should tell that on
the air. That's interesting, and I said, I think it's boring,
but I'll tell it on the air anyway. So people
keep emailing me Mickel the kids have to learn cursive
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so they can read the original documents. Okay, I'm going
to buy in on that. Look, I think they should
learn cursive to preserve history. I just want to be
very clear what we're saying and what we're not if
it's I think certain aspects of history should be preserved.
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An urn remains a monument, but I think it's important
to understand that we're preserving them out of vanity, out
of tradition, and those things are also important. Rituals are preserved.
We preserve some rituals solely because they are a ritual.
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They are a direct connection to the past that we
must not be broken. It must remain unbroken. I don't
know why, because it's important. It's who we are, it's
our identity. But I do find it interesting how many
people say they gotta be all read it old documents
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which ones declarats independence.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, have you read it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Incursive in the original script? I have?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You haven't. I guarantee you haven't. Okay, if you have, what.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Did you notice it was odd about it? There's a
letter used there that we don't use. We haven't used
in forever. I think the Broadside.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Dictionary still use.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Nobody else uses it. You've never seen this letter written.
There is a letter very prominent in there. And not
only is it very prominent, it extends above the other
lower case letters and below the lower case letters. It
screams out, look at me, look at me. I'm the
dork that goes and looks at this document. That's not
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a humble brag. That is to tell you that nobody
else does. It's weird nobody does. The words are so
established in print so many times and unquestioned for two
hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Nobody is going.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Nobody is saying, well, you're gonna have life in liberty.
But that's all we're giving you. No, we get to
have happiness too, which was supposed to be prosperity. By
the way, in the original it was incursive. We won't
happens now, doctor, Rice of independence doesn't grant you happiness,
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just life and liberty. It does, and swear it does.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Show me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Let me go get my cursive copy. Well, it says
right here, just life and liberty. It's printed out full stop.
There's no happiness. Oh man, y'all change the words on us.
I got an original incursive somewheres and it said happiness.
I'm sure it said it. Nope, this is a document.
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It's not even questioned. No one is questioning those documents
that were written in cursive. But you have only ever
read in print. I guarantee you you've only ever read
them in print.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
There is something that our history nerds in the crowd
will know. It's called a long s so little quirk.
And this is why I told you, Ramona. It's no
point in me telling the story. It's very boring, but
I'm gonna tell you because you pissed me off. So
Originally incursive, the letter S would only ever appear at
the end of a word. The letter S in the
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middle or at the beginning of a word. Lower case
would never appear as an S. It was, it would
appear as an F. Follow me on the F an
F that had a big curly queue at the top
like a like a cane. Right, you were holding a cane,
and so it goes straight up and it would arc
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over to the right, and it would come all the
way down and it would arc to the left and
curl back up, kind of like a seahorse. Okay, so
that F is not actually an F. And the difference
is when you crossed that F in the middle, you
would only cross it to the to the main of
the F.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You wouldn't go across.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And that was known in the printing industry as a
long S. It would stand out because it was taller
than the other letters and went lower than the other letters,
and that distinguished it because an S could own only
be used at the end of a word.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If you read the word.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Congress in the original Constitution, you will notice that it
looks like con gr f s. It looks like congress.
If you don't know that, because it is so striking
the first time you read it, then you didn't read
the Constitution incursive. And I'm not trying to be the
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nerd on the front row. I'm simply pointing out there
are many, many people who haven't learned cursive, who have
performed just fine. Example, calligraphy died off. I don't do calligraphy.
I think it's awesome. It'd be a thing I think
we should we should preserve. Okay, there are dead languages,
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and it's unfortunate that there are dead languages for which
we've lost the ability to read the great texts. Because
the language itself, not the manner of writing it, not
the manner of conveying it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's different.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Nobody is suggesting we're losing English. I'm not saying we
shouldn't learn cursive. I'm just saying, don't repeat something you
heard other people say because some Fox News host had
a segment on it and you thought, yeah, we got
bail to read the declaration. You're reading the Declaration in
the same way that every other American reads it, and
that is printed out or on a screen. There are
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so many of those quirks, so many things that we
never read. I've read I don't know how much by
Adam Smith, but never in his handwriting.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You go to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Monticello and you see Jefferson's writing. Jefferson had the first
Xerox machine. It was a contraption where when you wrote,
there was a rod that came up and went over
and went down, and it mirrored the page there. So
whatever he wrote, he had a duplicate copy of brilliant.
And so you sit there and you read it to
see how close is that to the original, and you go,
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I can't tell, because I can't read what he's writing.
I don't think I'm smarter than the average bear, but
I don't think i'm dumber. You go, try to read
the journals of Thomas Jefferson. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like a doctor's writing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Now they could because in the time they wrote in
this style, we've lost forms of cursive over two and
a half centuries. I don't know why I allowed myself
to be pushed into a corner as some person standing
on the principle of nobody reads cursive. I think because
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I can't stand for arguments to be repeated without any
thought given to it because someone else said it and
nobody ever stops to give it thought. But I am
for teaching cursive, and my kids do write and read cursive.
I just think you can survive just fine without it
going forward, and I'll leave that at that. I could
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have just said that, and then you aggravated me during
the break, and then I got out there and I
got a bunch of old ladies going, I'm not sure
I'm gonna listen to Michael Berry anymore. I thought he
was on our team. You know, he wasn't for Trump
at the beginning. I remember, he wasn't for Trump. He's
come around, but you know, now he's over there. Shoot,
he's he don't even want cursive no more.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I don't know what he thinks.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He wasn't for Trump. Remember he talked about it and
he was, and now he's over there. We don't need cursive.
You've got some upside down f I don't give a damn.
I learned curs. If you offer, it's Michael Berry's formal aware.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We have all your formal weare needs, from morning suits
to coordinating accessories.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Running out of time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
The best explanation I have heard, and it comes from
a law man friend of mine. Cursive is important zar
because it strengthens cognitive development, It enhances fine motor skills
for kids, and it boosts their overall literacy. I'm not
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sure that's even true, but that's very impressive. That's an
actual reason. It just makes me crazy when people say
things without any consideration for what they say in never
having thought about it, and then you challenge it and
they pitch a fit. God to be able to read
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the declaration is the lamest answer ever. You don't care
about the declaration? Well if reading the Declaration of Independence
incursive is how you prove whether you care about the declaration.
You don't care about the declaration because you've not read
it incursive, And I'm willing to go on the It's
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one of those things like cow tipping or any number
of other things that people will say they've done, and
when you really it down to it, well, yeah, maybe yes.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like why you love water Burger. It's right there.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Tell me something that you love about where you live?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Water Burger?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Okay, great, tell me about it right now?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
All right, just tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
You're gonna love water Burger's the best?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
What makes it the best? Wherever you are there's a
water Burger?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, it's always right there, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And then when you get there, what do you like
about it?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
What do you get? Whatever you want?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
You could order whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Then, right, But there are a lot of places like that,
So let's say, there's a McDonald's burger king, a Sonic
and a waterburger all lined up?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Which one you go to?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Why? M okay, here's another one. I can respect because
this is an honest answer.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I favor cursif out of my own enjoyment of its
conveyance of personality and uniqueness. I also believe it has
become a comical way to communicate openly among younger code workers,
like a secret code. One of Cursiff's flaws is also
its benefit. I've observed the preferred usage of cursif amongst
individuals who have poor spelling. They can scribble the first
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two and last two letters and everything in between is
their unique penmanship. If you cannot admit you have done
that in your life, you know what that's the equivalent
of in the GUDDI yeah, baby? How many songs do
we not know all the words? There's a little girl
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in our neighborhood to Johnson and good good good, Yeah.
I had go and see a tone of none and
none and over to the brother was making chicken in
the frying pot, and her grandma was.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That is what that is?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Cursive allows you that, doctor Wright, Yeah, I did hear
from a lot of mommies that their kids have dysgraphia
and dyslexia, and apparently cursive helps with that, which is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I like that. I don't deny it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I don't know one way or another. The most surprising,
I guess not surprising because we've had this conversation before.
Chad Nakanishi is an enigma. He's a fascinating cat because
his brain processor because he's half Japanese.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is really really good.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
He's really really smart, but his spelling is really really bad.
And it's a running joke. And he's the first to
tell you. He said, I can't read cursive. So the
problem I've come across is that I love to pull
and collect my family history. However, when I pull old
family histories like my great grandparents marriage license below which
he's attached, I have to ask one of my sisters
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to quote unquote translate some of the cursive. Not saying
kids should or shouldn't learn cursive, but it is one
of my personal struggles. Even the Census is incursive. By
the way, several of you mentioned the Census, and you
wouldn't be able to read the census.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Credit to you.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I thought that was an interesting one. This is the
nineteen forty census of my great grandparents and their kids.
It's especially confusing to me because I knew them all
by their generic American names Janet, Mildred, Thomas, Norman, Pauline, Robert,
and Earl, but their legal Japanese names are listed in
the census, which I've had to learn thanks to help translating.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I love these conversations.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think it's fascinating, just fascinating, how we retain records,
how we go back and access those records, because they're
not just records. They're not just writing on a paper.
They're who we are. They are our DNA. That's not
just a name on a paper. That what is our DNA?
You know, Sandy Peterson's making a sour dough bread. She
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might have already made it. And she said that the
that the whatever you call it, the cure, the whatever,
the seedling of it. You know, when you get the
sar dough bread and you bring it home, it's whatever,
that little clump of it that it is. It's two
hundred and fifty years old. I don't know where she
found it. I mean, you think about you know, you
propagate a flower with you propagate a tree. You think
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about you know how an animal passes one to the next,
to the next to the next, and in three hundred
years this is the lineage. That's some deep stuff, man,
that's really really deep stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And that these are.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The documents you access to get there. I find that
to be very cool. All right, you folks have to
be fast so I can get all of you on.
So what is the thing they don't teach in school
that they should? I think this is handwriting because it's
all women. See, you can tell topics by sex. Men
are like handwriting, dumb ass, just blearn cursive. Women are
going but dyslexia and just grab yeah. And the census
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because ninety eight point six percent of people who do
ancestry studies are women. Teresa, go ahead, Hi, Michael, Okay.
What should they teach that they're not teaching? Go ahead, sweetheart.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Well, I still believe in teaching writing by script because
it strengthens the eye hand brain connection and it creates
neural pathways for your brain.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So you're second or third or tenth person to say that,
how do you know that.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I read it about twenty years ago? Did you read
it in I have no I read it in a
printed book.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Are you are you a former teacher? Pardon me, are
you a former teacher?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
No, I'm a nurse. Nurse okay, but I did homeschool
my kids a couple of times, like different My different
children had different problems in school, and just to sort
of assist them, I went homeschool them. And where we
lived in Canada, they had a great provincial system where
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they could give you all the materials for the curriculum
that year, and so basically it was all pre set,
pre done. You know, you took the pages at the
beginning of the week out of the big binder, put
them in the smaller binders, and that's all they have
to do for that day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I miss binders. I still use binders. I have binders
all around me. I have tabs, they're all marked off,
and people will say to me, you can put all
that on the computer.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I know, I know. I love binders. I love flipping
through binders.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
My show sponsors for each letter of the alphabet, I have,
you know as Allied side in you know, windows and
Allied Custom roofing and all Star Construction and Allied outdoors,
and then you know you go to B, and you
go to C and you and I enjoy turning the
pages like a I don't know. It's a connection to
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the past, and it's tactile. I can touch it, I
can turn it. I'm looking at my screen. I've received
over three hundred emails on Cursive, fascinating,
It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Got an email during the break somebody has said, we
should teach our kids money. They should learn about mortgages
and interest rates and compounding and investing. You know, when
I was running for city council, first time it was,
the election was in two thousand and one, but I
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went around to well respected business leaders around town and
one of them was a guy named Dean Kannale, and
he had a blue chip, well respected boutique trust company
called Kannale Trust, and you had to have a certain
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threshold to be a client of his boutique firm. And
at the time it felt like eighty trillion dollars, but
we didn't. Incomes and wealth increased exponentially in the last
two decades in a way they had never on scale
(01:46):
like that before. So let's say you had to have
a million dollars in two thousand to be his client,
which was a big threshold. And I asked for his
support to run for city council and he said, I
will give you support if you will give me an
hour to talk about the fundamentals of finance, personal finance.
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I want you to understand how they work, and I
want to explain it to you, and I want you
to listen to me. And I did, and it probably
turned into two hours. And I didn't do a lot
of what he told me to do at the time,
wish I had, but I did some and it stayed
in my mind, and as I got older, and I
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started thinking about things like, what if you have a
stroke and can't work anymore, what.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
If you get fired? What if? What if? What if?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What are you doing to at least make sure that
you got, you know, via any sausages and salting crackers.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
For the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And so I think about all the things that people
don't know, that they either learned the hard way too late,
or never learn and don't understand. And I think think
that's unfortunate, because we all pay into this school system,
whether we send kids there or not, we all pay
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into this school system to teach young people things. And
I think we got lost along the way as to
what's important. And if I'm being completely honest and I'm
not insulting women and I'm not insulting teachers, I think
that in most cases you've got teachers who are women
who themselves don't know anything about finance, are engineering or
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science who even the best intended teachers are caregivers. They
love children, they want to see children develop, They care
a lot about a child's confidence, and these sorts of things,
which is good, don't get me wrong. But you can't
teach what you don't know. Who is it Seneca who
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said teaching is learning. When I give a speech, which
I give fewer and fewer these days, but when I
give us speech to a group and they asked me
to speak on a particular subject, instead of just speak,
I will often go back and review facts and figures
and things about what I'm going to talk about. And
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that's not teaching per se, but in a sense it is.
And I find that at the end of that I
feel very refreshed and invigorated from that learning process I
undertook to get to the point to deliver that speech.
Let's start with Chris, then Kyle, then Gay, Dave, then Heather,
than Mike. Chris, You're on the Michael, But how about that?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Chris? Kyle?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What what? What just happened?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Chris? You're up? Gohed? I bet Ramon didn't pot him on.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Go ahead, Chris, yes, I was just calling to say
how they should teach you, you know, common common sense
things like how to change a tier, how to change
a light bulb, how to do common things that these
kids these days, they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
They're just agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, you look ideally a dad out to teach
his kid that, and I think there's a lot of
people who would say, yeah, they ought to.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Who haven't done that.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know, sports is such a such an interesting thing
because it's very natural. I grew up playing youth sports,
so I wanted my kids to play youth sports. I
spent so much quality time with my kids, driving them
to and from sports, hitting grounders, catching balls, throwing balls,
throwing hitting up pop flies, teaching them the elements of
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the sports.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I love that they.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Were then playing. And it's a very natural and easy thing.
I think if you didn't grow up learning how to
change a tire, change the light bulb, take things apart,
replace them, then you don't teach it to your child.
You know, people teach their kids to fish because they
themselves fished, which's.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
A great father son.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's not life skill, except maybe it is because having
a hobby, developing a hobby I think is an important
life skill is something I've not been very good at.
My hobby is learning, and I learned to channel that.
But people who love to hunt love to fish. I
think it's an important part of good sound mindset.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Kyle, you're up, go. What should people learn in school
that they don't now?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I've got a long laundry list, But my biggest pet
peeve is learning how to hold a writing instrument, how
to form a letter, and how to write in cursive.
Three children that can do neither, and they're all in
their twenties, and it just drives me crazy whenever they send.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Me a note.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
There are two used to being on the computer or
their phone, and they don't learn the the basic forming
a letter. You know, it's crazy they don't teach that.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Kyle.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Let me ask you something, and I'm not disagreeing, but
I've given this some thought. Why is it important that
children learn cursive?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Because the best form of saying thank you is a
personal handwritten note. You're drop in the mailbox.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But you can write a hand will that is printed.
I've asked myself this and I can't come up with
a good answer. I wish somebody would answer this for
me and help me out.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I just believe it looks more formal and as opposed
to thanks and block lettering. You know, yeah, I suppose
my opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I suppose you're right for me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I didn't give you my answer because I want to
hear yours for me. There's something unique about each person's cursive.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Is it loopy? Is it height?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it does it lean like italics?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Do they press hard or light?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I find all of those things to be, you know,
part of our signature, part of our DNA, part of
our individuality. And I find that interesting. All right, Gay,
Dave and Heather, y'all hold on for just a moment.
And we have phone lines that just opened up seven three, nine,
one thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
They're all duncans, and do you know duncan means yr y'oll.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I got an email in the break my fullow names Okay,
he's Greg, his son is Mikey. And I had asked
on Facebook for people, as I often do, to send
me quirky unique startup businesses. Businesses are nostalgia businesses that
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our owner occupy, owner operated interesting business callers. Hold just
a moment, I'll be right with you, And he sent
me email. He said, our son is the founder of
a company called Pero Pa.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Started it from scratch.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's a marketplace for accounting professionals. It matches accountants their
skill sets with clients in need of fractional services. So,
if you think of Percento Technologies, which has been a
sponsor of my show for probably fifteen years, m I
said my show, I met our show, Me and Chad.
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Percento Technologies was built on the concept that many companies,
even mid sized companies, don't have the.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
IT prowess.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They don't have a robust enough IT presence to handle
the growth and development. And you know that Let's say
they're going out to spend a million dollars on technology,
just just upgrading computers, which is what Ramone's wife does
for Texas Laws Shield, just buying all new computers. Okay,
are we going to deploy those?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
How are we going to do those?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How are we going to make it scalable? How are
we staying up with where we're going to be in
a year? I mean, you know, you feel bad when
you're the guy that buys a year model of a
car and you don't get a discount because that model's
going away and two months later they flip to a
new model in your car looks ten years old.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You're bummed out right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, it's even worse with computers, and now you've got
security because you got all these hacks and you got
ransomware and all that and performance, speed and everything that
goes with that. So percento is based on the idea
that you have an IT department that you can't afford
full time, and you and you pay a for fractional
interest of their you know, fractional services, because you don't
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need a guy at three hundred thousand dollars a year
or whatever they make full time half the time he's
goofing off.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You just need a part of what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I would think that would be true with accounting,
I suppose. I mean, I keep my accountants pretty busy
at at DeRos Partners because I want to look at
strategically making good decisions, not just complying with tax codes.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't want to push the limits because I have
a target on my back. But I also don't want
to miss out on things that are obvious. So I
need full time accounting services. Some folks that are small,
I would assume probably only need a little bit, and
they would be below the threshold of Darroche Partners. I
get a lot of emails from people who will say, hey,
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can you send me to your accountants? And I vet
them for Deroche because they're meant for high net worth
individuals and mid size companies and above. They're not efficient
or cost efficient for a guy just trying to do
his personal taxes. So, you know, I think there's probably
a niche somewhere in there below what Deroche Partners does.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
All right, Gay Dave, you're up?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Hey, mornings are they need to teach the US Constitution
for at least the whole year so people understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, you know, I wonder you know a lot of
people will tell me, do.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You grow up in Texas?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I didn't. I grew up in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's gay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Do you know that you have you have?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But hold on, I want to tell you this. You
have become such a resource for our show that every
time something comes up, Ramone will say you should ask
Gay Dave, like, what what is like? There'll be something
that happens and he'll say, we don't have good Gator
you should ask Gay Dave what he thinks about that,
But I don't want to, you know, I don't want
to ask you too many questions. But Ramone's best.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I can I tell you? Can I tell you a
quick story about a cursive writing about what? When I
was in eighth grade? Yeah, cursive writing story. When I
was in eighth grade, I had a history teacher and
an English teacher. A history teacher used to take off
a point every time I'd write partly in print and
not incursive on her tests. So I get one hundred
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on the tests and end up with like an eighty.
So one day she's writing on the truck board and
what does she do. She does exactly what she used
to take every every.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Point off for.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And I stood up there, like you hypocrite, and I
went off on her right. And then she started like
yelling back. And then this kid, Jason Cardon, who never
gets in trouble, gets up and starts defending me. His
mom was a teacher in the school, and she kicks
us both out of class. Who went to We had
to go see the scariest principle I ever had, Mister Dorney,
this big bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Of a man.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
So we get in there and he's like, what are
you two doing in here? And I tell him the story.
He marches us back to class and he pulls her
in the hallway and he starts going off on her,
and I was like, oh my god, this is awesome.
It's like the best moment. And shut enough. She came
back in with the red face and for the rest
of the year she I mean she hated me anyway,
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but she really really hated me after that. But it
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I love it. Thank you, Gay Dave.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So this cursive issue keeps coming up, and look, I
can say, yes, the kids all have to learn cursive.
Cursive is important, but I think it's very important that
you be able to question positions you have and answer
them as if someone else had asked it, answered it,
asked you, so I said earlier, why is it important
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that kids learn cursive? I hope they learn cursive because
I learned cursive, right. I hope they think Dan Pastorini's
a great guy, because I think Dan Pastorin's a great guy.
But I don't know that it's going to make a
difference to a kid's future. I hope they think the
oilers were the coolest team in the NFL. But I
don't think it's going to make a difference. And if
they don't, then I don't think that's really a position
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actually be taken up. So I asked the question, why
is it important that kids learn cursive? I don't disagree,
but let's ask questions. And I keep getting emails from
people saying they have to be able to read the documents.
I got ten emails to that effect. In the first break,
can you honestly tell me? Ramon?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'll ask you. I want you to be honest. Have
you read the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Of Independence in the original cursive? No you haven't, and
you're a history buff and I'm going to tell you
something else. And people don't want to hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Nobody has.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
When I say nobody, it's a rounding error because it's
less than one percent. Oh no, no, no, no. You've
looked at the document during a ken Burn's documentary when
they scrolled across the screen. You've seen pictures of it,
and you know you've seen the couple of the letters,
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because if you've actually read it, you should be able
to tell me which letters that we use today were
not used as such in the original let's just take
the declaration of endid penance, because people tell me that's
important because they don't use the exact spelling. There are
certain letters we use today that they did not use
in that form at that time, and you don't know that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Do you know why you don't know that? Because you
didn't read that in cursive.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's also very hard to read their script because they
have a very flowing, languid style of writing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So what happened? Somebody typed that up? You know what
typing is. It's print.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's easier to read. There's a reason you don't read
books in cursive.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know we're all supposed to say I miss cursive,
I miss cursing, but I think that's pop. Some people
are saying, if the old documents are the reason you're
not reading old documents cursive, I guarantee.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You I've got nothing going on down there.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
You know what strikes me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's a little disappointing, but it strikes me as interesting
how many people get angry if you simply question someone.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
My favorite chocolate.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That is where I went to school, Is it? Yes?
What were you just saying?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't my favorite food is chocolate?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Really is it?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well, yeah, why would it be?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Is it's that's all? As the English will say, is it?
It's almost like Okay, So Ramon started asking me questions
during the break and said, you should tell that on
the air. That's interesting, and I said, I think it's boring,
but I'll tell it on the air anyway. So people
keep emailing me Mickel the kids have to learn cursive
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so they can read the original documents. Okay, I'm going
to buy in on that. Look, I think they should
learn cursive to preserve history. I just want to be
very clear what we're saying and what we're not if
it's I think certain aspects of history should be preserved.
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An urn remains a monument, but I think it's important
to understand that we're preserving them out of vanity, out
of tradition, and those things are also important. Rituals are preserved.
We preserve some rituals solely because they are a ritual.
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They are a direct connection to the past that we
must not be broken. It must remain unbroken. I don't
know why, because it's important. It's who we are, it's
our identity. But I do find it interesting how many
people say they gotta be all read it old documents
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which ones declarats independence.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, have you read it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Incursive in the original script? I have?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You haven't. I guarantee you haven't. Okay, if you have, what.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Did you notice it was odd about it? There's a
letter used there that we don't use. We haven't used
in forever. I think the Broadside.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Dictionary still use.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Nobody else uses it. You've never seen this letter written.
There is a letter very prominent in there. And not
only is it very prominent, it extends above the other
lower case letters and below the lower case letters. It
screams out, look at me, look at me. I'm the
dork that goes and looks at this document. That's not
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a humble brag. That is to tell you that nobody
else does. It's weird nobody does. The words are so
established in print so many times and unquestioned for two
hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Nobody is going.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Nobody is saying, well, you're gonna have life in liberty.
But that's all we're giving you. No, we get to
have happiness too, which was supposed to be prosperity. By
the way, in the original it was incursive. We won't
happens now, doctor, Rice of independence doesn't grant you happiness,
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just life and liberty. It does, and swear it does.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Show me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Let me go get my cursive copy. Well, it says
right here, just life and liberty. It's printed out full stop.
There's no happiness. Oh man, y'all change the words on us.
I got an original incursive somewheres and it said happiness.
I'm sure it said it. Nope, this is a document.
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It's not even questioned. No one is questioning those documents
that were written in cursive. But you have only ever
read in print. I guarantee you you've only ever read
them in print.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
There is something that our history nerds in the crowd
will know. It's called a long s so little quirk.
And this is why I told you, Ramona. It's no
point in me telling the story. It's very boring, but
I'm gonna tell you because you pissed me off. So
Originally incursive, the letter S would only ever appear at
the end of a word. The letter S in the
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middle or at the beginning of a word. Lower case
would never appear as an S. It was, it would
appear as an F. Follow me on the F an
F that had a big curly queue at the top
like a like a cane. Right, you were holding a cane,
and so it goes straight up and it would arc
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over to the right, and it would come all the
way down and it would arc to the left and
curl back up, kind of like a seahorse. Okay, so
that F is not actually an F. And the difference
is when you crossed that F in the middle, you
would only cross it to the to the main of
the F.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You wouldn't go across.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And that was known in the printing industry as a
long S. It would stand out because it was taller
than the other letters and went lower than the other letters,
and that distinguished it because an S could own only
be used at the end of a word.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
If you read the word.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Congress in the original Constitution, you will notice that it
looks like con gr f s. It looks like congress.
If you don't know that, because it is so striking
the first time you read it, then you didn't read
the Constitution incursive. And I'm not trying to be the
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nerd on the front row. I'm simply pointing out there
are many, many people who haven't learned cursive, who have
performed just fine. Example, calligraphy died off. I don't do calligraphy.
I think it's awesome. It'd be a thing I think
we should we should preserve. Okay, there are dead languages,
(22:51):
and it's unfortunate that there are dead languages for which
we've lost the ability to read the great texts. Because
the language itself, not the manner of writing it, not
the manner of conveying it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's different.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Nobody is suggesting we're losing English. I'm not saying we
shouldn't learn cursive. I'm just saying, don't repeat something you
heard other people say because some Fox News host had
a segment on it and you thought, yeah, we got
bail to read the declaration. You're reading the Declaration in
the same way that every other American reads it, and
that is printed out or on a screen. There are
(23:28):
so many of those quirks, so many things that we
never read. I've read I don't know how much by
Adam Smith, but never in his handwriting.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You go to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Monticello and you see Jefferson's writing. Jefferson had the first
Xerox machine. It was a contraption where when you wrote,
there was a rod that came up and went over
and went down, and it mirrored the page there. So
whatever he wrote, he had a duplicate copy of brilliant.
And so you sit there and you read it to
see how close is that to the original, and you go,
(24:02):
I can't tell, because I can't read what he's writing.
I don't think I'm smarter than the average bear, but
I don't think i'm dumber. You go, try to read
the journals of Thomas Jefferson. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's like a doctor's writing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Now they could because in the time they wrote in
this style, we've lost forms of cursive over two and
a half centuries. I don't know why I allowed myself
to be pushed into a corner as some person standing
on the principle of nobody reads cursive. I think because
(24:40):
I can't stand for arguments to be repeated without any
thought given to it because someone else said it and
nobody ever stops to give it thought. But I am
for teaching cursive, and my kids do write and read cursive.
I just think you can survive just fine without it
going forward, and I'll leave that at that. I could
(25:02):
have just said that, and then you aggravated me during
the break, and then I got out there and I
got a bunch of old ladies going, I'm not sure
I'm gonna listen to Michael Berry anymore. I thought he
was on our team. You know, he wasn't for Trump
at the beginning. I remember, he wasn't for Trump. He's
come around, but you know, now he's over there. Shoot,
he's he don't even want cursive no more.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I don't know what he thinks.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He wasn't for Trump. Remember he talked about it and
he was, and now he's over there. We don't need cursive.
You've got some upside down f I don't give a damn.
I learned curs. If you offer, it's Michael Berry's formal aware.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We have all your formal weare needs, from morning suits
to coordinating accessories.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Running out of time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
The best explanation I have heard, and it comes from
a law man friend of mine. Cursive is important zar
because it strengthens cognitive development, It enhances fine motor skills
for kids, and it boosts their overall literacy. I'm not
(26:10):
sure that's even true, but that's very impressive. That's an
actual reason. It just makes me crazy when people say
things without any consideration for what they say in never
having thought about it, and then you challenge it and
they pitch a fit. God to be able to read
(26:31):
the declaration is the lamest answer ever. You don't care
about the declaration? Well if reading the Declaration of Independence
incursive is how you prove whether you care about the declaration.
You don't care about the declaration because you've not read
it incursive, And I'm willing to go on the It's
(26:52):
one of those things like cow tipping or any number
of other things that people will say they've done, and
when you really it down to it, well, yeah, maybe yes.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like why you love water Burger. It's right there.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Tell me something that you love about where you live?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Water Burger?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Okay, great, tell me about it right now?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
All right, just tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
You're gonna love water Burger's the best?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
What makes it the best? Wherever you are there's a
water Burger?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, it's always right there, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And then when you get there, what do you like
about it?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
What do you get? Whatever you want?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
You could order whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Then, right, But there are a lot of places like that,
So let's say, there's a McDonald's burger king, a Sonic
and a waterburger all lined up?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Which one you go to?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Why? M okay, here's another one. I can respect because
this is an honest answer.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I favor cursif out of my own enjoyment of its
conveyance of personality and uniqueness. I also believe it has
become a comical way to communicate openly among younger code workers,
like a secret code. One of Cursiff's flaws is also
its benefit. I've observed the preferred usage of cursif amongst
individuals who have poor spelling. They can scribble the first
(28:27):
two and last two letters and everything in between is
their unique penmanship. If you cannot admit you have done
that in your life, you know what that's the equivalent
of in the GUDDI yeah, baby? How many songs do
we not know all the words? There's a little girl
(28:52):
in our neighborhood to Johnson and good good good, Yeah.
I had go and see a tone of none and
none and over to the brother was making chicken in
the frying pot, and her grandma was.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That is what that is?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Cursive allows you that, doctor Wright, Yeah, I did hear
from a lot of mommies that their kids have dysgraphia
and dyslexia, and apparently cursive helps with that, which is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I like that. I don't deny it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I don't know one way or another. The most surprising,
I guess not surprising because we've had this conversation before.
Chad Nakanishi is an enigma. He's a fascinating cat because
his brain processor because he's half Japanese.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Is really really good.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
He's really really smart, but his spelling is really really bad.
And it's a running joke. And he's the first to
tell you. He said, I can't read cursive. So the
problem I've come across is that I love to pull
and collect my family history. However, when I pull old
family histories like my great grandparents marriage license below which
he's attached, I have to ask one of my sisters
(30:03):
to quote unquote translate some of the cursive. Not saying
kids should or shouldn't learn cursive, but it is one
of my personal struggles. Even the Census is incursive. By
the way, several of you mentioned the Census, and you
wouldn't be able to read the census.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Credit to you.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I thought that was an interesting one. This is the
nineteen forty census of my great grandparents and their kids.
It's especially confusing to me because I knew them all
by their generic American names Janet, Mildred, Thomas, Norman, Pauline, Robert,
and Earl, but their legal Japanese names are listed in
the census, which I've had to learn thanks to help translating.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I love these conversations.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think it's fascinating, just fascinating, how we retain records,
how we go back and access those records, because they're
not just records. They're not just writing on a paper.
They're who we are. They are our DNA. That's not
just a name on a paper. That what is our DNA?
You know, Sandy Peterson's making a sour dough bread. She
(31:06):
might have already made it. And she said that the
that the whatever you call it, the cure, the whatever,
the seedling of it. You know, when you get the
sar dough bread and you bring it home, it's whatever,
that little clump of it that it is. It's two
hundred and fifty years old. I don't know where she
found it. I mean, you think about you know, you
propagate a flower with you propagate a tree. You think
(31:27):
about you know how an animal passes one to the next,
to the next to the next, and in three hundred
years this is the lineage. That's some deep stuff, man,
that's really really deep stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And that these are.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The documents you access to get there. I find that
to be very cool. All right, you folks have to
be fast so I can get all of you on.
So what is the thing they don't teach in school
that they should? I think this is handwriting because it's
all women. See, you can tell topics by sex. Men
are like handwriting, dumb ass, just blearn cursive. Women are
going but dyslexia and just grab yeah. And the census
(32:01):
because ninety eight point six percent of people who do
ancestry studies are women. Teresa, go ahead, Hi, Michael, Okay.
What should they teach that they're not teaching? Go ahead, sweetheart.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Well, I still believe in teaching writing by script because
it strengthens the eye hand brain connection and it creates
neural pathways for your brain.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So you're second or third or tenth person to say that,
how do you know that.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I read it about twenty years ago? Did you read
it in I have no I read it in a
printed book.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Are you are you a former teacher? Pardon me, are
you a former teacher?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
No, I'm a nurse. Nurse okay, but I did homeschool
my kids a couple of times, like different My different
children had different problems in school, and just to sort
of assist them, I went homeschool them. And where we
lived in Canada, they had a great provincial system where
(33:19):
they could give you all the materials for the curriculum
that year, and so basically it was all pre set,
pre done. You know, you took the pages at the
beginning of the week out of the big binder, put
them in the smaller binders, and that's all they have
to do for that day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I miss binders. I still use binders. I have binders
all around me. I have tabs, they're all marked off,
and people will say to me, you can put all
that on the computer.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I know, I know. I love binders. I love flipping
through binders.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
My show sponsors for each letter of the alphabet, I have,
you know as Allied side in you know, windows and
Allied Custom roofing and all Star Construction and Allied outdoors,
and then you know you go to B, and you
go to C and you and I enjoy turning the
pages like a I don't know. It's a connection to
(34:14):
the past, and it's tactile. I can touch it, I
can turn it. I'm looking at my screen. I've received
over three hundred emails on Cursive, fascinating,
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