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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Joe. President Trump is appealing the verdict
in the e Jen Carroll civil case. His attorney, Will
Sharf spoke to the media outside the courtroom about this
case and he completely dismantles that case. And what I
(00:24):
would like to do now is play for you his
critique of that case, because I'll bet most of you
haven't heard this before.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh my name is Will Sharf. I'm one of President
Trump's attorneys. Today we presented oral argument before the United
States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in one
of two cases brought against President Trump by Ejen Carroll. Now,
it's really important to remember that e. Gene Carroll's story,
at its heart is an utterly implausible he said, she
said story. There is no corroboration for anything she has
(00:59):
ever claimed about President Trump. There are no corroborating witnesses,
as President Trump alluded to. There is not confirmatory DNA,
No police report was filed at the time of this
alleged incident. She was unable to identify when this incident occurred.
Until quite recently. No surveillance evidence or witnesses have ever
been found or come forward confirming any aspect of Egen
(01:22):
Carroll's story. In light of that, in light of the
utter implausibility of the story that Egene Carroll was attempting
to sell to the jury in this case, her attorneys
introduced evidence that should have never seen the inside of
a courtroom, utterly insane efforts to introduce propensity witnesses Jessica
(01:45):
Leeds and Natasha Stoinoff, most notably in an unfair and
improper effort to buttress Egene Carroll's failed attempt to assault
President Trump. Jessica Leeds' story is instructive here. This is
a woman who claims, in the middle of a crowded
airliner in nineteen seventy nine, President Trump assaulted her. Leeds
(02:07):
has never been able to identify where this plane departed
from where it went to the date of the flight
in question, making our efforts to disprove her testimony extremely difficult.
Under the federal rules of evidence, this story should have
never been allowed to be presented to the jury in
this case. The same is true of Natasha Stoinoff's story,
(02:28):
which again lacks any indissi of reliability, any sort of credibility,
any sort of confirmatory testimony from other witnesses or anything
else that would make you believe that this actually happened. So,
on the one hand, you have a judge who allowed
in this improper propensity evidence that should not have been
allowed in in our view, that polluted the jury's deliberations
(02:51):
in this case, that presented a story to the jury
of a series of a pattern of conduct that the
jury should should not have been considering. And we think
that absent that propensity evidence, no fair jury could have
reached the verdict that was reached in this case. And
as a result, we believe that this verdict needs to
be overturned. But there's more than that. In addition to
(03:12):
this improper propensity evidence, President Trump and his trial team
were prevented from cross examining Egen Carroll and other witnesses
on crucial issues. Crucial issues in particular relating to political
coordination in the political motivation behind this entire lawsuit. This
is a lawsuit that was instigated in large part by
(03:33):
George Conway, a longtime political foe and adversary of President Trump.
This is a lawsuit that was funded by Reid Hoffman,
a key political ally of the Biden Harris administration and
a major Democrat donor. We were limited in the evidence
we were allowed to present at trial about these crucial facts.
We were prevented from cross examining E. Gen Carroll on
(03:55):
aspects of that dynamic that underlies this entire lawsuit, and
that two unfairly corrupted the jury's deliberations in this case
and requires reversal of the jury verdict. I think this
political coordination point is particularly important, though it's important to
emphasize because what we have seen in the last few
years is a weaponization by the Biden administration and by
(04:18):
their political allies of our legal system and of our
courts to unlawfully, unconstitutionally interfere with President Trump's core First
Amendment right to run for president. That is a right
guaranteed to him by the Constitution. That is the right
that his political opponents are attempting to strip away from him.
We have seen this in case after case after case,
(04:40):
where unfair political motives have underlay what should be excuse me,
serious legal proceedings. And I think when you look at
this situation in Tode, when you look at what the left,
when you look at what the Biden Harris administration is
attempting to do to President Trump. This is insane. This
is an absolute abuse of our legal system. It's an
(05:01):
absolute abuse of the rule of law. It should be
deeply offensive, not just to political supporters of President Trump,
but to each and every American. With respect to today's appeal,
we are hopeful that the Second Circuit understands what's at
stake here. We are hopeful that the Second Circuit understands
what occurred during this trial, which was an improper use
(05:24):
of evidence to buttress Egene Carroll's entirely meritless claims on
the one hand, and an improper exclusion of evidence that
would have informed the jury about the true motivation behind
this lawsuit and that we believe would have resulted in
a very different verdict.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
There are several now debunked lies that Kamala Harris and
the Democrats continue to tell about Donald Trump. Well, the
folks at just the facts. I don't know the folks
at just the facts, but they have addressed nine of
the lies most commonly told about Donald Trump. And the
(06:03):
reason we're playing this is to give you, is to
give you some ammunition if you find yourself in a
situation where you want to defend President Trump and don't
have enough to offer. That being said, let me explain this.
(06:24):
If a known liberal that you're in the circle of
wants to battle you over whether Trump is an awful
person or not, get out of that situation. There is
nothing to be one from it. If they taunt you,
as they often do, and you get baited into this,
(06:47):
they will demoralize you because remember, they don't care about
the truth. If a person in twenty twenty four is
still defending Kamala Harris and attacking Donald Trump knowing that
your cat could be eaten by the Haitian that's been
dumped on your doorstep, they don't want the truth, and
(07:10):
there's no point in you trying to deliver the truth.
This is for people that are just not sure, that
are low information. They've been told something, and you're trying
to help them get over the hump and vote for Trump.
This again, credit to the folks that justifacts nine lies
(07:33):
the media has told you about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The media has widely and repeatedly reported Trump's words out
of context in ways that disfigure what he actually said. Now,
it's difficult to tell whether these are honest mistakes or
deliberate lies, but they did this by cutting out words
that he's set in close proximity to one another, sometimes
(07:58):
within seconds. Here's nine prime examples. One the media widely
reported that Trump called immigrants animals. In reality, Trump used
the word animals to describe murderous illegal aliens like MS
thirteen gang members, not immigrants in general. Two the media
(08:20):
widely reported that Trump threatened a bloodbath if he loses
the election. In reality, Trump used the term bloodbath to
describe what four more years of Biden's policies would do
to the United States, particularly to the auto industry. Three
the media widely reported that Trump praised white supremacists as
(08:42):
very fine people. In reality, Trump called them very bad people,
stated that he condemned them, and said that the very
fine people were those who showed up to innocently protest.
Four the media widely reported that Trump said he would
use the FBI and DOJ to go after his political opponents.
(09:05):
In reality, Trump said that Biden sick the FBI and
DOJ on his political opponents, and this could happen in reverse,
but the people aren't going to stand for it. Five
the media widely reported that Trump told governors to dominate
protesters during the twenty twenty George Floyd ryots and for
(09:27):
good measure. CNN's Anderson Cooper took it another step further
by saying that Trump seems to think that dominating black
people dominating peaceful protesters is law and order. In reality,
Trump said that he is an ally of all peaceful
protesters and that governors have a duty to protect innocent
(09:49):
people from professional anarchists, violent mobs, arsonist looters. Six the
media widely reported that Trump encouraged the Capitol Hill riot
by urging his supporters to fight like hell. In reality,
Trump told his supporters to march over to the Capitol
(10:09):
Building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Seven
the media widely reported that Trump vowed to be a
dictator on day one. In fact, Trump said that he
is not going to be a dictator except for day
one to close the border and drill, drill, drill. The
(10:31):
interviewer replied that sounds to me like you're going back
to the policies when you were president, and Trump said
that's exactly right. Eight. The media widely reported that Trump
called for Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails. In reality,
Trump repeatedly stated that China, Russia, or an independent hacker
(10:54):
has probably already hacked Clinton's illegal email server, and if
they did, they should release the thirty three thousand emails
that Clinton destroyed after she received a subpoena for them. Nine.
The media widely reported that Trump told Republicans to vote
against the border security bill because he didn't want the
(11:16):
crisis fixed while Biden was president. In reality, the bill
was loaded with loopholes that permit and reward illegal immigration,
and Trump wrote that he opposes the bill because it
quote only gives shutdown authority after five thousand encounters a day,
when we already have the right to close the border now,
(11:39):
which must be done. So when media outlets report on
what Trump says, ask yourself what did he say that
they didn't report.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
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(12:12):
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website Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and
Podcast is produced by Ramon Roeblis, The King of Ding.
Executive producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(12:36):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLain.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit, Where not,
(12:59):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(13:24):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
The Michael Barry Joe. President Trump is appealing the verdict
in the e Jen Carroll civil case. His attorney, Will
Sharf spoke to the media outside the courtroom about this
case and he completely dismantles that case. And what I
(00:24):
would like to do now is play for you his
critique of that case, because I'll bet most of you
haven't heard this before.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh my name is Will Sharf. I'm one of President
Trump's attorneys. Today we presented oral argument before the United
States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in one
of two cases brought against President Trump by Ejen Carroll. Now,
it's really important to remember that e. Gene Carroll's story,
at its heart is an utterly implausible he said, she
said story. There is no corroboration for anything she has
(00:59):
ever claimed about President Trump. There are no corroborating witnesses,
as President Trump alluded to. There is not confirmatory DNA,
No police report was filed at the time of this
alleged incident. She was unable to identify when this incident occurred.
Until quite recently. No surveillance evidence or witnesses have ever
been found or come forward confirming any aspect of Egen
(01:22):
Carroll's story. In light of that, in light of the
utter implausibility of the story that Egene Carroll was attempting
to sell to the jury in this case, her attorneys
introduced evidence that should have never seen the inside of
a courtroom, utterly insane efforts to introduce propensity witnesses Jessica
(01:45):
Leeds and Natasha Stoinoff, most notably in an unfair and
improper effort to buttress Egene Carroll's failed attempt to assault
President Trump. Jessica Leeds' story is instructive here. This is
a woman who claims, in the middle of a crowded
airliner in nineteen seventy nine, President Trump assaulted her. Leeds
(02:07):
has never been able to identify where this plane departed
from where it went to the date of the flight
in question, making our efforts to disprove her testimony extremely difficult.
Under the federal rules of evidence, this story should have
never been allowed to be presented to the jury in
this case. The same is true of Natasha Stoinoff's story,
(02:28):
which again lacks any indissi of reliability, any sort of credibility,
any sort of confirmatory testimony from other witnesses or anything
else that would make you believe that this actually happened. So,
on the one hand, you have a judge who allowed
in this improper propensity evidence that should not have been
allowed in in our view, that polluted the jury's deliberations
(02:51):
in this case, that presented a story to the jury
of a series of a pattern of conduct that the
jury should should not have been considering. And we think
that absent that propensity evidence, no fair jury could have
reached the verdict that was reached in this case. And
as a result, we believe that this verdict needs to
be overturned. But there's more than that. In addition to
(03:12):
this improper propensity evidence, President Trump and his trial team
were prevented from cross examining Egen Carroll and other witnesses
on crucial issues. Crucial issues in particular relating to political
coordination in the political motivation behind this entire lawsuit. This
is a lawsuit that was instigated in large part by
(03:33):
George Conway, a longtime political foe and adversary of President Trump.
This is a lawsuit that was funded by Reid Hoffman,
a key political ally of the Biden Harris administration and
a major Democrat donor. We were limited in the evidence
we were allowed to present at trial about these crucial facts.
We were prevented from cross examining E. Gen Carroll on
(03:55):
aspects of that dynamic that underlies this entire lawsuit, and
that two unfairly corrupted the jury's deliberations in this case
and requires reversal of the jury verdict. I think this
political coordination point is particularly important, though it's important to
emphasize because what we have seen in the last few
years is a weaponization by the Biden administration and by
(04:18):
their political allies of our legal system and of our
courts to unlawfully, unconstitutionally interfere with President Trump's core First
Amendment right to run for president. That is a right
guaranteed to him by the Constitution. That is the right
that his political opponents are attempting to strip away from him.
We have seen this in case after case after case,
(04:40):
where unfair political motives have underlay what should be excuse me,
serious legal proceedings. And I think when you look at
this situation in Tode, when you look at what the left,
when you look at what the Biden Harris administration is
attempting to do to President Trump. This is insane. This
is an absolute abuse of our legal system. It's an
(05:01):
absolute abuse of the rule of law. It should be
deeply offensive, not just to political supporters of President Trump,
but to each and every American. With respect to today's appeal,
we are hopeful that the Second Circuit understands what's at
stake here. We are hopeful that the Second Circuit understands
what occurred during this trial, which was an improper use
(05:24):
of evidence to buttress Egene Carroll's entirely meritless claims on
the one hand, and an improper exclusion of evidence that
would have informed the jury about the true motivation behind
this lawsuit and that we believe would have resulted in
a very different verdict.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
There are several now debunked lies that Kamala Harris and
the Democrats continue to tell about Donald Trump. Well, the
folks at just the facts. I don't know the folks
at just the facts, but they have addressed nine of
the lies most commonly told about Donald Trump. And the
(06:03):
reason we're playing this is to give you, is to
give you some ammunition if you find yourself in a
situation where you want to defend President Trump and don't
have enough to offer. That being said, let me explain this.
(06:24):
If a known liberal that you're in the circle of
wants to battle you over whether Trump is an awful
person or not, get out of that situation. There is
nothing to be one from it. If they taunt you,
as they often do, and you get baited into this,
(06:47):
they will demoralize you because remember, they don't care about
the truth. If a person in twenty twenty four is
still defending Kamala Harris and attacking Donald Trump knowing that
your cat could be eaten by the Haitian that's been
dumped on your doorstep, they don't want the truth, and
(07:10):
there's no point in you trying to deliver the truth.
This is for people that are just not sure, that
are low information. They've been told something, and you're trying
to help them get over the hump and vote for Trump.
This again, credit to the folks that justifacts nine lies
(07:33):
the media has told you about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
The media has widely and repeatedly reported Trump's words out
of context in ways that disfigure what he actually said. Now,
it's difficult to tell whether these are honest mistakes or
deliberate lies, but they did this by cutting out words
that he's set in close proximity to one another, sometimes
(07:58):
within seconds. Here's nine prime examples. One the media widely
reported that Trump called immigrants animals. In reality, Trump used
the word animals to describe murderous illegal aliens like MS
thirteen gang members, not immigrants in general. Two the media
(08:20):
widely reported that Trump threatened a bloodbath if he loses
the election. In reality, Trump used the term bloodbath to
describe what four more years of Biden's policies would do
to the United States, particularly to the auto industry. Three
the media widely reported that Trump praised white supremacists as
(08:42):
very fine people. In reality, Trump called them very bad people,
stated that he condemned them, and said that the very
fine people were those who showed up to innocently protest.
Four the media widely reported that Trump said he would
use the FBI and DOJ to go after his political opponents.
(09:05):
In reality, Trump said that Biden sick the FBI and
DOJ on his political opponents, and this could happen in reverse,
but the people aren't going to stand for it. Five
the media widely reported that Trump told governors to dominate
protesters during the twenty twenty George Floyd ryots and for
(09:27):
good measure. CNN's Anderson Cooper took it another step further
by saying that Trump seems to think that dominating black
people dominating peaceful protesters is law and order. In reality,
Trump said that he is an ally of all peaceful
protesters and that governors have a duty to protect innocent
(09:49):
people from professional anarchists, violent mobs, arsonist looters. Six the
media widely reported that Trump encouraged the Capitol Hill riot
by urging his supporters to fight like hell. In reality,
Trump told his supporters to march over to the Capitol
(10:09):
Building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Seven
the media widely reported that Trump vowed to be a
dictator on day one. In fact, Trump said that he
is not going to be a dictator except for day
one to close the border and drill, drill, drill. The
(10:31):
interviewer replied that sounds to me like you're going back
to the policies when you were president, and Trump said
that's exactly right. Eight. The media widely reported that Trump
called for Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails. In reality,
Trump repeatedly stated that China, Russia, or an independent hacker
(10:54):
has probably already hacked Clinton's illegal email server, and if
they did, they should release the thirty three thousand emails
that Clinton destroyed after she received a subpoena for them. Nine.
The media widely reported that Trump told Republicans to vote
against the border security bill because he didn't want the
(11:16):
crisis fixed while Biden was president. In reality, the bill
was loaded with loopholes that permit and reward illegal immigration,
and Trump wrote that he opposes the bill because it
quote only gives shutdown authority after five thousand encounters a day,
when we already have the right to close the border now,
(11:39):
which must be done. So when media outlets report on
what Trump says, ask yourself what did he say that
they didn't report.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
If you liked the Michael Berry Show in podcast, please
tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a
nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest
in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated
directly to the show at our email address, Michael at
(12:12):
Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our
website Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and
Podcast is produced by Ramon Roeblis, The King of Ding.
Executive producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(12:36):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLain.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit, Where not,
(12:59):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(13:24):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
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