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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Berry Show. It's a bonus podcast where I
have an opportunity to talk about a lot of things
that didn't make the show. Doesn't mean they weren't good.
Sometimes they fell to the bottom of the stack. Remember
when Rushwood he would stack the papers. I always loved that.
I always loved that. As I've gotten to know the
(00:20):
crew of people that created that stack for him and
the history behind him doing that. And oh, there's so
many great rustling balls stories. So one of the stories
that I didn't get to and I decided we have
to do an extra podcast to get this in involves
Gina Carano. So she she she has settled a wrongful
(00:46):
termination lawsuit with Disney. She is a pioneer. Is Gina
Carano an absolute pioneer? She was the actress in Mandalorian.
She was fired for voicing her opinion with regard to BLM,
(01:07):
COVID lockdowns and the transgender push. She posted a statement
that appeared on Twitter that read quote, I have come
to an agreement with Disney Slash lucasfilm, which I believe
is the best outcome for all parties involved. I hope
this brings more healing to the force. I hope to
(01:29):
make you proud. I am excited to flip the page
and move on to the next chapter. My desires remain
in the arts, which is where I hope you will
join me. In other words, she doesn't want to be
a person that has to be an activist. She just
wants to be an actress, not an activist. But she
had to speak out. Was an issue of conscience, and
she did, and they fired her. She took them to court.
(01:51):
Now she won, and so well, let me finish the story.
The actress and former MMA star was fired from her
role as Carad Doune in The Mandalorian. I haven't seen
the movie, so forgive me if I'm mispronouncing things. In
February of twenty one, after Disney objected to several social
media posts that she wrote, she wrote in one of them,
(02:13):
Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers,
but by their neighbors, even by children. Because history is edited,
most people today don't realize that to get to the
point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews,
the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply
for being Jews. How is that any different from hating
(02:33):
someone for their political views. Disney fired her from the series,
saying that she was quote detigrating people based on their
cultural and religious identities. What That's not what she did,
and of course they knew it wasn't what she did.
That wasn't the real reason they fired her, Disney said
(02:54):
in a statement following the settlement, the Walt Disney Company
and Lucas Film are pleased to announce that we have
reached an agreement with Gina Carano to resolve the issues
in her pending lawsuit against the companies. Miss Carano was
always well respected by her directors, co stars, and staff,
and she worked hard to perfect her craft while treating
her colleagues with kindness and respect. With this lawsuit concluded,
(03:18):
we look forward to identifying opportunities to work together with
miss Carano in the near future. That will not happen,
just so you know, do you know that when these
things are done like this, do you know that one
of the things that is negotiated is you will write
a tweet saying I'm a good person and a good
(03:39):
actor and you would like to work with me in
the future. No, they really do. These things are part
of the negotiations, and they're part of what's agreed to.
In fact, Gina Carano's staff, her lawyer, or her publicist
or the both probably wrote that line for Disney to
have to tweet. And part of the negotiation was, we'll
(04:01):
give you this much money and you drop this and
you stop disparaging us, and you say that you're happy
to do this, and you'd like to work with us again,
and in exchange, we'll say you're a good person, and
we're all happy, and everyone is happy. These things don't
happen on their own. This is actually a negotiated point.
(04:22):
You know, when you go to buy a house, you
negotiate the price, the closing date, the terms under which
you're going to finance it, because that speaks to whether
that's a likelihood you're going to get the deal closed
or not. These things are actually negotiated out, and that
brings us to our next point. I have noticed among
(04:43):
our listening audience. I started my professional life as a lawyer.
Most of you know that, and I hated plaintiff's attorneys.
Hated them ambulance chasers running around suing doctors and making
doctors leave the medical practice, running around suing businesses like
my friend Russell Lebara on a slip and fall when
(05:05):
the camera shows that you looked around as anybody was looking,
and then you laid on the ground said, ah, I
have fallen and I can't get up. And then you
know sue for three million dollars and you know he
has to spend legal fees to fight it, but he
goes public with it. Most people just hide and write
them a check. So I always had an opinion of
plants attorneys as awful people, and some are. And before
(05:29):
tort reforming Texas, there were a lot of doctors leaving
the practice of medicine and a lot of businesses leaving
the state and some businesses not coming to the state
that could have because we were the lawsuit capital of
the country. Texas has some really, really really good plaintiffs
attorneys and so as a result, cases were being brought,
(05:51):
companies were having to pay, insurance was having to cover
and it made the cost of doing business go very high.
Or then that chance changed. But one thing that happened
in the middle of all that I have noticed is
that a lot of people who consider themselves conservative or
maga you know, anywhere on that Republican however you want to.
(06:14):
You know, they're different things to different people have changed
their views on the use of litigation as a tool
for improvement. Used to be the only people who sued
anybody were left wingers, environmentalists. Robert F. Kennedy Junior used
to sue people environmentalists, left wingers, activists, whack jobs, George Sorows,
(06:38):
and in some cases they would use lawsuits to bully
people because if a billion dollar if a billionaire sues
you, you get into an argument with your extra neighbor who's
a billionaire and he wants to move your fence and
you say no, and so he sues you. And then
you're in this case and you don't have the money
(07:00):
to pay all these lawyers. Well, you're going to give
them what they want because you don't want to get
dragged to court. So it would create a natural advantage. Well,
one thing I've noticed is that people used to hate
lawyers until Trump. Trump is very litigious. He has used
lawyers throughout the course of his business career in the
(07:23):
same way that he uses marketing folks or recruiting firm
or what they are the cost of doing business and
it is not beneath him to have bullied people with
the use of lawyers. It's one of the tools. And
I have noticed that because of this, a lot of
folks on our side are no longer against lawyers. I
(07:45):
don't hear the let's kill all the lawyers Shakespeare quote anymore.
I don't hear how lawyers are awful people anymore. And
if you're asking, well, Michael, what is your point, are
you pro lawyer anti lawyer? Neither and both. I am
in favor of the fact that we're going to have
(08:06):
conflict in this country. You're gonna have conflict everywhere. Just
a question how you're going to resolve it. If you
suppress the resolution of conflict, it leads to revolution. So
if you suppress the peaceful resolution of conflict through the
court system, then you're going to have the violent resolution
(08:26):
of conflict through revolution, and then you're gonna have bloodshed.
So you have to give people a way to resolve
their differences. What we have watched over the last few
years in the Trump era is that Trump is not
afraid to use litigation as a tool. Look at his
(08:48):
suit against CBS, look at his suit against Columbia University.
And Trump has been able to bring about some very
good things with the use of the court system as
a way to do that. I am simply pointing out
that there has been a tectonic cultural shift in the
way we look at litigation as a means of resolving disputes,
(09:11):
and litigation involves lawyers, which is kind of interesting. I
think maybe there may be a little more prestige prestige
to being a lawyer today than there would have been
ten years ago. I think there may be a little
more understanding that lawyers are important and valuable because Trump
uses them whether to go before the Supreme Court, whether
(09:32):
to file an for injunctive relief, or whether to win
in a district or appellate court, or whether to bring
to their knees Cbs for lying or Columbia for their
behavior regarding DEI That's not the most profound point I've
(09:54):
ever made, but it does bear noting, and you might
keep your eyes open and to watch for this as
we move forward, because I can tell you, interacting with
as many people as I do in the course of
a day, that people view the use of lawyers as
a way to resolve problems as very different today. And
(10:18):
I believe that is largely, if not almost exclusively, because
Trump does it and folks love Trump. Something to think about,
Share your thoughts a boy, email Michael Berryshow dot com.
If you like the Michael Berry Show and Podcast, please
tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a
(10:39):
nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest
in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated
directly to the show at our email address, Michael at
Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our website,
Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and Podcast
(11:02):
is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding. Executive
producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery, and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLean.
(11:24):
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and super fan. Contributions are appreciated and often
incorporated into our production. Where possible, we give credit, Where not,
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
(11:49):
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, And God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free
(12:09):
counseling
The Michael Berry Show. It's a bonus podcast where I
have an opportunity to talk about a lot of things
that didn't make the show. Doesn't mean they weren't good.
Sometimes they fell to the bottom of the stack. Remember
when Rushwood he would stack the papers. I always loved that.
I always loved that. As I've gotten to know the
(00:20):
crew of people that created that stack for him and
the history behind him doing that. And oh, there's so
many great rustling balls stories. So one of the stories
that I didn't get to and I decided we have
to do an extra podcast to get this in involves
Gina Carano. So she she she has settled a wrongful
(00:46):
termination lawsuit with Disney. She is a pioneer. Is Gina
Carano an absolute pioneer? She was the actress in Mandalorian.
She was fired for voicing her opinion with regard to BLM,
(01:07):
COVID lockdowns and the transgender push. She posted a statement
that appeared on Twitter that read quote, I have come
to an agreement with Disney Slash lucasfilm, which I believe
is the best outcome for all parties involved. I hope
this brings more healing to the force. I hope to
(01:29):
make you proud. I am excited to flip the page
and move on to the next chapter. My desires remain
in the arts, which is where I hope you will
join me. In other words, she doesn't want to be
a person that has to be an activist. She just
wants to be an actress, not an activist. But she
had to speak out. Was an issue of conscience, and
she did, and they fired her. She took them to court.
(01:51):
Now she won, and so well, let me finish the story.
The actress and former MMA star was fired from her
role as Carad Doune in The Mandalorian. I haven't seen
the movie, so forgive me if I'm mispronouncing things. In
February of twenty one, after Disney objected to several social
media posts that she wrote, she wrote in one of them,
(02:13):
Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers,
but by their neighbors, even by children. Because history is edited,
most people today don't realize that to get to the
point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews,
the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply
for being Jews. How is that any different from hating
(02:33):
someone for their political views. Disney fired her from the series,
saying that she was quote detigrating people based on their
cultural and religious identities. What That's not what she did,
and of course they knew it wasn't what she did.
That wasn't the real reason they fired her, Disney said
(02:54):
in a statement following the settlement, the Walt Disney Company
and Lucas Film are pleased to announce that we have
reached an agreement with Gina Carano to resolve the issues
in her pending lawsuit against the companies. Miss Carano was
always well respected by her directors, co stars, and staff,
and she worked hard to perfect her craft while treating
her colleagues with kindness and respect. With this lawsuit concluded,
(03:18):
we look forward to identifying opportunities to work together with
miss Carano in the near future. That will not happen,
just so you know, do you know that when these
things are done like this, do you know that one
of the things that is negotiated is you will write
a tweet saying I'm a good person and a good
(03:39):
actor and you would like to work with me in
the future. No, they really do. These things are part
of the negotiations, and they're part of what's agreed to.
In fact, Gina Carano's staff, her lawyer, or her publicist
or the both probably wrote that line for Disney to
have to tweet. And part of the negotiation was, we'll
(04:01):
give you this much money and you drop this and
you stop disparaging us, and you say that you're happy
to do this, and you'd like to work with us again,
and in exchange, we'll say you're a good person, and
we're all happy, and everyone is happy. These things don't
happen on their own. This is actually a negotiated point.
(04:22):
You know, when you go to buy a house, you
negotiate the price, the closing date, the terms under which
you're going to finance it, because that speaks to whether
that's a likelihood you're going to get the deal closed
or not. These things are actually negotiated out, and that
brings us to our next point. I have noticed among
(04:43):
our listening audience. I started my professional life as a lawyer.
Most of you know that, and I hated plaintiff's attorneys.
Hated them ambulance chasers running around suing doctors and making
doctors leave the medical practice, running around suing businesses like
my friend Russell Lebara on a slip and fall when
(05:05):
the camera shows that you looked around as anybody was looking,
and then you laid on the ground said, ah, I
have fallen and I can't get up. And then you
know sue for three million dollars and you know he
has to spend legal fees to fight it, but he
goes public with it. Most people just hide and write
them a check. So I always had an opinion of
plants attorneys as awful people, and some are. And before
(05:29):
tort reforming Texas, there were a lot of doctors leaving
the practice of medicine and a lot of businesses leaving
the state and some businesses not coming to the state
that could have because we were the lawsuit capital of
the country. Texas has some really, really really good plaintiffs
attorneys and so as a result, cases were being brought,
(05:51):
companies were having to pay, insurance was having to cover
and it made the cost of doing business go very high.
Or then that chance changed. But one thing that happened
in the middle of all that I have noticed is
that a lot of people who consider themselves conservative or
maga you know, anywhere on that Republican however you want to.
(06:14):
You know, they're different things to different people have changed
their views on the use of litigation as a tool
for improvement. Used to be the only people who sued
anybody were left wingers, environmentalists. Robert F. Kennedy Junior used
to sue people environmentalists, left wingers, activists, whack jobs, George Sorows,
(06:38):
and in some cases they would use lawsuits to bully
people because if a billion dollar if a billionaire sues
you, you get into an argument with your extra neighbor who's
a billionaire and he wants to move your fence and
you say no, and so he sues you. And then
you're in this case and you don't have the money
(07:00):
to pay all these lawyers. Well, you're going to give
them what they want because you don't want to get
dragged to court. So it would create a natural advantage. Well,
one thing I've noticed is that people used to hate
lawyers until Trump. Trump is very litigious. He has used
lawyers throughout the course of his business career in the
(07:23):
same way that he uses marketing folks or recruiting firm
or what they are the cost of doing business and
it is not beneath him to have bullied people with
the use of lawyers. It's one of the tools. And
I have noticed that because of this, a lot of
folks on our side are no longer against lawyers. I
(07:45):
don't hear the let's kill all the lawyers Shakespeare quote anymore.
I don't hear how lawyers are awful people anymore. And
if you're asking, well, Michael, what is your point, are
you pro lawyer anti lawyer? Neither and both. I am
in favor of the fact that we're going to have
(08:06):
conflict in this country. You're gonna have conflict everywhere. Just
a question how you're going to resolve it. If you
suppress the resolution of conflict, it leads to revolution. So
if you suppress the peaceful resolution of conflict through the
court system, then you're going to have the violent resolution
(08:26):
of conflict through revolution, and then you're gonna have bloodshed.
So you have to give people a way to resolve
their differences. What we have watched over the last few
years in the Trump era is that Trump is not
afraid to use litigation as a tool. Look at his
(08:48):
suit against CBS, look at his suit against Columbia University.
And Trump has been able to bring about some very
good things with the use of the court system as
a way to do that. I am simply pointing out
that there has been a tectonic cultural shift in the
way we look at litigation as a means of resolving disputes,
(09:11):
and litigation involves lawyers, which is kind of interesting. I
think maybe there may be a little more prestige prestige
to being a lawyer today than there would have been
ten years ago. I think there may be a little
more understanding that lawyers are important and valuable because Trump
uses them whether to go before the Supreme Court, whether
(09:32):
to file an for injunctive relief, or whether to win
in a district or appellate court, or whether to bring
to their knees Cbs for lying or Columbia for their
behavior regarding DEI That's not the most profound point I've
(09:54):
ever made, but it does bear noting, and you might
keep your eyes open and to watch for this as
we move forward, because I can tell you, interacting with
as many people as I do in the course of
a day, that people view the use of lawyers as
a way to resolve problems as very different today. And
(10:18):
I believe that is largely, if not almost exclusively, because
Trump does it and folks love Trump. Something to think about,
Share your thoughts a boy, email Michael Berryshow dot com.
If you like the Michael Berry Show and Podcast, please
tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a
(10:39):
nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest
in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated
directly to the show at our email address, Michael at
Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our website,
Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and Podcast
(11:02):
is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding. Executive
producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery, and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLean.
(11:24):
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and super fan. Contributions are appreciated and often
incorporated into our production. Where possible, we give credit, Where not,
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
(11:49):
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, And God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free
(12:09):
counseling
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