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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Berry Show. It's a bonus podcast for your weekend.
We've started doing these and it has exploded in interest.
Now it's like a new restaurant opening. Maybe sometimes when
you open a new restaurant, you get a lot of
attention because everybody wants to try it, and then it
turns out it's not. So we'll see. It takes us
(00:20):
extra time and energy, but let's be honest. We love talking,
we love engaging with you, and as long as you're
gonna listen to us, we're gonna keep doing it. And
these are such heady times, such interesting times to do
what we do and commune with you over the subjects
that we do.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I mean, we're lucky to get to do it. Reminder,
the website is Michael Berryshow dot com. In with that,
a former Kentucky clerk claims that illegal aliens paid two
hundred dollars for driver's licenses in a black market scheme.
He alleges that coworkers using her login credentials sold licenses
(01:08):
under the table to individuals who could not legally obtain
them due to their immigration status. Now, before we play
this clip, this is way bigger than stealing a loaf
of bread. Because one of the forms of identification we
grant people to get you most anything done is a
(01:32):
driver's license. This is why in liberal states they've been very,
very quick to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens, because
it has long been the process that we will accept
as a legal form of legal status in the United States.
(01:53):
A driver's license, a state issued driver's license. Well back
when people still cared about this country, every state took
pride in enforcing the laws and doing their part to
protect the nation by protecting their state's citizens. So if
you wanted a Kentucky or Louisiana, or Alabama or New
(02:15):
York driver's license, you would have to go through an
approval process within each state. And they differed, sure, but
there was a shared belief. We're Americans. We enforced this
law not just for our own state and citizens and
their protection, but for the rest of the country. Then
(02:38):
once the left decided they're going to collapse the system
and overrun us and replace us with illegal aliens, then
what they start doing. They started figuring out ways so
that these illegal aliens could have absolute access to anything anytime.
So that was when they started churning out the driver's licenses.
(03:00):
So this is a really really big crime and a
really really big deal. And I always look at a
case like this and say, well, if this is true
what this person says, If that is true, rest assured.
(03:21):
It's not the only time in the country that's happening.
So we know that California is going to give these
people illegal driver's license, probably New Mexico as well, probably
Oregon as well. Liberal states with liberal state government. But
what we may not realize is how many Republican states,
(03:46):
red states are giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens illegally
through means like this. Because now when we're looking at
the data, we don't just need to look at the
liberal states. Now we see that it's probably happening in
(04:08):
If it's happening in Kentucky, it's probably happening in Texas
and Tennessee and Mississippi and Alabama and Florida and Georgia.
And it just gets to the depth of rot in
our country in allowing the left, through a conspiracy, to
(04:31):
attempt the replacement theory. And they got pretty far. I
mean it just like the Scooby Doo. You thought, maybe
they're going to pull it off and it would have
if it had been for you pesky kids. Well, Trump,
and you are the pesky kids. I really believe our
country is in a snap back and we're not going
back to where we were. People are going to fight back,
(04:54):
they're going to enforce the laws. We're going to get
the illegals out of here. And when that happened, people
are going to realize, Oh, maybe my cabbage will cost
fifty cents more per head, but maybe the crime rate
will go down. Oh, I'll be able to go to
the hospital without the State of Chihuahua in the waiting
(05:15):
room so that I can't get to see a doctor
for thirty hours. Oh I like that too. Oh okay. Oh, so,
so all the filth that was on this road where
all these people were thrown out tra Oh we have
fewer drunk driving deaths. Oh, we have fewer pedophile cases.
Oh we have our school is not overburdened anymore with
(05:37):
people who don't pay taxes but do want services. Oh,
we're able to reduce the welfare rolls. Oh wow, it
turns out illegal aliens weren't contributing and they weren't doing
the job that Americans won't do. They were a drain
on our system, a criminal element, and something we would
be much better off without. Once that happens, people are
(05:59):
going to people that weren't sure. They're going to look
around and say proofs into pudding. I like the way
I live better now. So that is why when you
listen to this story. And credit to w d RB
in Louisville, Kentucky for the story. The state didn't want
this out fraud inside Kentucky's transportation cabinet licenses issued without
(06:23):
a driver's test.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It is an ongoing WDRB investigation, and tonight we hear
from a whistleblower who says coworkers used her loggin to
pull off this scheme.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Employees were being paid underneath the table.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They say, sometimes I need.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To let my superris I know about it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Truth hurt. Did you ever think that this would cost
you your job? No? And from Melissa Mormon, I.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Was angry for a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
This is one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It hurts me that I'm talking about this and actually,
like where I was working at times. I came into
the office that day, my computer was shut down. I
was told to go to the front door. Detectives came in.
They interviewed me deputation.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Mormon says she was fired three months after she sent
this letter to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, blowing the whistle
that workers at the NIA Center licensing branch were selling
driver's licenses under the table to people who never took
the driver's.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Test, undocumented workers.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
How did it work?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
What was going on? The undocumented workers would come into
the office in groups. They would provide then neither permits
or driver's license illegally, so they will bypassed without even
taking that test.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
How much to up to five times a day? She says?
Was this an everyday thing?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Almost? Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I first reported on the driver's license fraud investigation in
April after getting my hands on one of the state's
revocation letters. We learned the Transportation Cabinet sent more than
fifteen hundred of them in five months, telling drivers their
license was issued in air and must be turned where
they could be criminally charged. At the time, state officials
confirmed at least two terminations and ongoing state and federal
(08:07):
investigations focused on the NIA Center in West Louisville and
the Etown license branch, but they denied all of our
record's requests with holding twenty three hundred documents on the fraud.
Mormon's story fills in the blanks.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I found out that it may have been going on
for a couple of years before it was found out.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We're told it wasn't as simple as people getting state
issued driver's license or permits without taking a test. She says.
Two of her colleagues at the NIA Center approached her
with a business venture, asking if she wanted to get
in on the scheme.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I was asked to bring certain customers in and they
are brought in to me without sign in, and you
would scan the documents as.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Usual, documents made to look legitimate, like birth certificates and
Social Security cards, according to the letters she wrote to
the state. But a key pulling off this scheme was
making sure the required Homeland Security screening was never run.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I started getting these emails saying are you doing this?
Are you doing this? Are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And that's where it unraveled, she says. Those workers were
using her loging a password. She says her bosses made
her share as all workers at the driver's license branch
did not have their wrong. Mormon was training to be
a supervisor.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm not even at my desk because I'm doing various
duties or I'm not there for the day, so things
start kind of coming together. I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Was it always undocumented workers? Yes, every time.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Every time.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It does not surprise me.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Adrian Travetti helps people trying to obtain legal status an
immigration attorney for fourteen years before.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Those immigrants that don't have a pathway to obtain legal status,
having a driver's license could mean the difference between getting
home from work safely, to their children, to their wives
or husbands, and not. For a relatively small price to
(10:11):
be able to have that chance of avoiding deportation, even
just for that day, they're willing to take it to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Mormon, this license scheme exploited people.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I didn't want no parts of it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Mormon says. She wrote this letter with her boss on
October twenty ninth, and she spoke to detectives three months later.
She was fired the same day.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Gum Puch, Yes, very hard, gut Puch.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
She was two years and three months onto the job,
but she didn't technically work for the state. Mormon was
a contractor for Quantum, a staffing agency that Kentucky hired
to help fuild positions and drivers license branches, and they
took licensing away from the county clerks.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Please record your message.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Mister Vanstin.
This is Gilbert Corci from WDRB News. The Michigan based
company did not return our calls or emails. It hung up.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's shocking. Why would an employer punish and take retribution
on an employee that reported this wrongdoing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Mormon's story now the heart of a whistleblower lawsuit going
after both the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. She should be a
hero and Quantum Solutions.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's a failure to supervise these employees. There were obviously
no checks and balances.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Kentucky State Police is on it. There are serious concerns
and will hold anybody accountable if they violated the law.
That's basically all Governor Andy Basheer would say. As we
pressed on this case in April, But there was a
part of our interview that didn't make our prior report,
and it may be important now is there an immigration
component to this?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
WDRB is fighting in court for the paper trail to
be made public. Uncovering who knew what and when. Sometimes
the truth does hurt. I was hurt and press, but
Melissa Mormon believes I.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Really would like to get my job back.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It will set her free. We the Transportation Cabinet has
a deadline this week to respond in cord on why
it withheld every single document twenty three hundred records from
our request. We will keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
If you like the Michael Berry Show and Podcast, please
tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a
nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest
in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated
directly to the show at our email address, Michael at
(12:38):
Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our website,
Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and Podcast
is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding. Executive
producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(13:03):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLean.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit. Where not,
(13:25):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(13:51):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
The Michael Berry Show. It's a bonus podcast for your weekend.
We've started doing these and it has exploded in interest.
Now it's like a new restaurant opening. Maybe sometimes when
you open a new restaurant, you get a lot of
attention because everybody wants to try it, and then it
turns out it's not. So we'll see. It takes us
(00:20):
extra time and energy, but let's be honest. We love talking,
we love engaging with you, and as long as you're
gonna listen to us, we're gonna keep doing it. And
these are such heady times, such interesting times to do
what we do and commune with you over the subjects
that we do.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I mean, we're lucky to get to do it. Reminder,
the website is Michael Berryshow dot com. In with that,
a former Kentucky clerk claims that illegal aliens paid two
hundred dollars for driver's licenses in a black market scheme.
He alleges that coworkers using her login credentials sold licenses
(01:08):
under the table to individuals who could not legally obtain
them due to their immigration status. Now, before we play
this clip, this is way bigger than stealing a loaf
of bread. Because one of the forms of identification we
grant people to get you most anything done is a
(01:32):
driver's license. This is why in liberal states they've been very,
very quick to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens, because
it has long been the process that we will accept
as a legal form of legal status in the United States.
(01:53):
A driver's license, a state issued driver's license. Well back
when people still cared about this country, every state took
pride in enforcing the laws and doing their part to
protect the nation by protecting their state's citizens. So if
you wanted a Kentucky or Louisiana, or Alabama or New
(02:15):
York driver's license, you would have to go through an
approval process within each state. And they differed, sure, but
there was a shared belief. We're Americans. We enforced this
law not just for our own state and citizens and
their protection, but for the rest of the country. Then
(02:38):
once the left decided they're going to collapse the system
and overrun us and replace us with illegal aliens, then
what they start doing. They started figuring out ways so
that these illegal aliens could have absolute access to anything anytime.
So that was when they started churning out the driver's licenses.
(03:00):
So this is a really really big crime and a
really really big deal. And I always look at a
case like this and say, well, if this is true
what this person says, If that is true, rest assured.
(03:21):
It's not the only time in the country that's happening.
So we know that California is going to give these
people illegal driver's license, probably New Mexico as well, probably
Oregon as well. Liberal states with liberal state government. But
what we may not realize is how many Republican states,
(03:46):
red states are giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens illegally
through means like this. Because now when we're looking at
the data, we don't just need to look at the
liberal states. Now we see that it's probably happening in
(04:08):
If it's happening in Kentucky, it's probably happening in Texas
and Tennessee and Mississippi and Alabama and Florida and Georgia.
And it just gets to the depth of rot in
our country in allowing the left, through a conspiracy, to
(04:31):
attempt the replacement theory. And they got pretty far. I
mean it just like the Scooby Doo. You thought, maybe
they're going to pull it off and it would have
if it had been for you pesky kids. Well, Trump,
and you are the pesky kids. I really believe our
country is in a snap back and we're not going
back to where we were. People are going to fight back,
(04:54):
they're going to enforce the laws. We're going to get
the illegals out of here. And when that happened, people
are going to realize, Oh, maybe my cabbage will cost
fifty cents more per head, but maybe the crime rate
will go down. Oh, I'll be able to go to
the hospital without the State of Chihuahua in the waiting
(05:15):
room so that I can't get to see a doctor
for thirty hours. Oh I like that too. Oh okay. Oh, so,
so all the filth that was on this road where
all these people were thrown out tra Oh we have
fewer drunk driving deaths. Oh, we have fewer pedophile cases.
Oh we have our school is not overburdened anymore with
(05:37):
people who don't pay taxes but do want services. Oh,
we're able to reduce the welfare rolls. Oh wow, it
turns out illegal aliens weren't contributing and they weren't doing
the job that Americans won't do. They were a drain
on our system, a criminal element, and something we would
be much better off without. Once that happens, people are
(05:59):
going to people that weren't sure. They're going to look
around and say proofs into pudding. I like the way
I live better now. So that is why when you
listen to this story. And credit to w d RB
in Louisville, Kentucky for the story. The state didn't want
this out fraud inside Kentucky's transportation cabinet licenses issued without
(06:23):
a driver's test.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It is an ongoing WDRB investigation, and tonight we hear
from a whistleblower who says coworkers used her loggin to
pull off this scheme.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Employees were being paid underneath the table.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They say, sometimes I need.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
To let my superris I know about it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Truth hurt. Did you ever think that this would cost
you your job? No? And from Melissa Mormon, I.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Was angry for a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
This is one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It hurts me that I'm talking about this and actually,
like where I was working at times. I came into
the office that day, my computer was shut down. I
was told to go to the front door. Detectives came in.
They interviewed me deputation.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Mormon says she was fired three months after she sent
this letter to the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, blowing the whistle
that workers at the NIA Center licensing branch were selling
driver's licenses under the table to people who never took
the driver's.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Test, undocumented workers.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
How did it work?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
What was going on? The undocumented workers would come into
the office in groups. They would provide then neither permits
or driver's license illegally, so they will bypassed without even
taking that test.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
How much to up to five times a day? She says?
Was this an everyday thing?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Almost? Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I first reported on the driver's license fraud investigation in
April after getting my hands on one of the state's
revocation letters. We learned the Transportation Cabinet sent more than
fifteen hundred of them in five months, telling drivers their
license was issued in air and must be turned where
they could be criminally charged. At the time, state officials
confirmed at least two terminations and ongoing state and federal
(08:07):
investigations focused on the NIA Center in West Louisville and
the Etown license branch, but they denied all of our
record's requests with holding twenty three hundred documents on the fraud.
Mormon's story fills in the blanks.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I found out that it may have been going on
for a couple of years before it was found out.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We're told it wasn't as simple as people getting state
issued driver's license or permits without taking a test. She says.
Two of her colleagues at the NIA Center approached her
with a business venture, asking if she wanted to get
in on the scheme.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I was asked to bring certain customers in and they
are brought in to me without sign in, and you
would scan the documents as.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Usual, documents made to look legitimate, like birth certificates and
Social Security cards, according to the letters she wrote to
the state. But a key pulling off this scheme was
making sure the required Homeland Security screening was never run.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I started getting these emails saying are you doing this?
Are you doing this? Are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And that's where it unraveled, she says. Those workers were
using her loging a password. She says her bosses made
her share as all workers at the driver's license branch
did not have their wrong. Mormon was training to be
a supervisor.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm not even at my desk because I'm doing various
duties or I'm not there for the day, so things
start kind of coming together. I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Was it always undocumented workers? Yes, every time.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Every time.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It does not surprise me.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Adrian Travetti helps people trying to obtain legal status an
immigration attorney for fourteen years before.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Those immigrants that don't have a pathway to obtain legal status,
having a driver's license could mean the difference between getting
home from work safely, to their children, to their wives
or husbands, and not. For a relatively small price to
(10:11):
be able to have that chance of avoiding deportation, even
just for that day, they're willing to take it to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Mormon, this license scheme exploited people.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I didn't want no parts of it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Mormon says. She wrote this letter with her boss on
October twenty ninth, and she spoke to detectives three months later.
She was fired the same day.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Gum Puch, Yes, very hard, gut Puch.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
She was two years and three months onto the job,
but she didn't technically work for the state. Mormon was
a contractor for Quantum, a staffing agency that Kentucky hired
to help fuild positions and drivers license branches, and they
took licensing away from the county clerks.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Please record your message.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Mister Vanstin.
This is Gilbert Corci from WDRB News. The Michigan based
company did not return our calls or emails. It hung up.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's shocking. Why would an employer punish and take retribution
on an employee that reported this wrongdoing.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Mormon's story now the heart of a whistleblower lawsuit going
after both the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. She should be a
hero and Quantum Solutions.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's a failure to supervise these employees. There were obviously
no checks and balances.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Kentucky State Police is on it. There are serious concerns
and will hold anybody accountable if they violated the law.
That's basically all Governor Andy Basheer would say. As we
pressed on this case in April, But there was a
part of our interview that didn't make our prior report,
and it may be important now is there an immigration
component to this?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
WDRB is fighting in court for the paper trail to
be made public. Uncovering who knew what and when. Sometimes
the truth does hurt. I was hurt and press, but
Melissa Mormon believes I.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Really would like to get my job back.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It will set her free. We the Transportation Cabinet has
a deadline this week to respond in cord on why
it withheld every single document twenty three hundred records from
our request. We will keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
If you like the Michael Berry Show and Podcast, please
tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a
nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and interest
in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be communicated
directly to the show at our email address, Michael at
(12:38):
Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on our website,
Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show and Podcast
is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding. Executive
producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(13:03):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLean.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit. Where not,
(13:25):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(13:51):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
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