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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and loud.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air. They are
reporting that Charlie has died. Then he's dead enteenage of
thirty one, which she would have to be if that
video was real. There's no way he survived that. Only

(00:36):
the thing is it had to have happened quickly.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and
loved him are united in shock and horror. Charlie was
a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of
open debate and the country that he loved so much,
the United States of America. He fought for live, pready democracy, justice,
and the American people. He's a martyr for truth and freedom.

(01:06):
Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
At the core of the left, at the core of
a liberal is someone that would use the sword if
they had.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
They are very violent people at their court. They always
have them.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
They can't debate, they can have conversation, so they'll resort
to these tactics.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
They're going to do everything they possibly can to try.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
To murder this movement because they can't beat us, so
they're going to try to take.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Weapons how do you want to be remembered from If
I died, everything just goes away. How would you if
you could be associated with one thing, how would you
want to be remembered. I want to be remembered for courage,
for my faith. That would be the most important. The
most important thing is my Now we're going to pay
tribute to Charlie Kirk, to how he changed your life,
to how he changed this country, to the legacy he

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leaves by those who will be inspired. As one person tweeted,
I can't remember who it was. Let this set off
a million Charlie Kirks. You know, in wars it is
often the case that the death of one of the

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most beloved becomes martyred, and it inspires others to carry forth,
and it creates a swell bigger than that person may
sent me a meme earlier today of Simba with the

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little pups around him, And Simba was Charlie Kirk, and
he was slumped over, he had died, and the little
pups were young conservatives, young inquisitive minds, young people trying
to figure out the world. One of the many things
I think is special about Charlie Kirk is that he

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started community college, and I realized it wasn't for him.
You know, it wasn't that he was against learning. Quite
the opposite. He was one of those people, an autodidact.
He was a person that believed in learning constantly. He
just didn't think you needed to go to a university

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and pay a bunch of money for it. He continued
to learn, he continued to read, He continued to engage
with people of letters and people of thoughts, people of influence.
And that's what he was doing when he died. That's
what he was doing when he died. He was engaging.

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Three thousand young people came out to that college campus
to hear him speak. Without denigrating anybody else. I'm going
to tell you the idea of getting three thousand people
college kids to get off their butt in their dorm,

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to get them on campus and over to hear you speak.
Would no free be given out. That's incredible, That is amazing.
You talk about a group of people that it's a
high bar man. They can lay in bed hung over.

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They can hang out in the pool hall or the pub.
They may have class, they may sit on the hill
and throw a frisbee. They can watch movies. They can
smoke joints, they can do anything they want. It's that
time of life. But the power of ideas and the
exchange of them was that compelling. Well, let's start the audio.

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By the way, John Rocker will be our guest. I
don't know if I said that or not I meant to.
He had tweeted something I thought was rather profound New
York Yankees putting up a tribute to Charlie Kirk last
night on the Big Jumbo Tron. I thought that was very,
very nice. We'll talk about why that feels like such
a revolutionary act and shouldn't later in the show, but

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this was the moment. We're not a breaking news story show.
We're not going to talk about developments and all that
and conspiracies and all that. We're going to pay tribute
to Charlie because the reason we're upset over Charlie Kirk's
death is not because the Left got away with something,
or not because the left did something. It's because Charlie's

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work was important and we should honor that work. It
is the job of other people to spend all the
time breaking the news and revealing the details in this person,
in this conspiracy and I got this or not our
show not going to do it. This was the moment,
ten minutes into the event that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
So do you know how many transgender Americans have mashooters
of the last eight years?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Too many? Gets fine? Okay, now I'm gonna need a credit.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Do you know do you know how many massiers there
have been in America over the last ten years, counting.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Or not comic gang violence. That's good hearing of your
people scream. We know they were shocked. Sadly. The last
word he uttered was violence. He was getting ready to
talk about. He was answering the question to talk about

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the violence that has absolutely cast a pall in our country.
The last word he said was violence. Which type of
violence do you want me to speak to? He had
spoken at linked about leftist violence. He had spoken at

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length about the danger to people who speak publicly, to politicians,
to members of the media. He had answered the question
many times, are you in danger? Yes? Will you stop
doing it?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Tell you what. Let's just take a moment. I'll be
silent to the break, and I want you to ponder
the level of bravery of a young man with two
young kids who still spoke out the Michael Berry Show.
Michael Berry Show baseball picture. John Brocker probably a name

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that you well remember. I know I do. But I
like folks that are aggressive in speaking their mind. I
like folks who are fearless. I like folks who when
others try to cancel them, they laugh in the face
of it. You can't cancel me. I'm bigger than you,
I'm stronger than you. That's frightening to people. That level
of internal fortitude. We don't know what to do with that.

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The media loses their mind, and left loses their mind.
I had the pleasure of meeting John Rocker at Cooperstown.
My son was twelve, playing in the Little League event
that's held there every year. Cooperstown, the Baseball Hall of Fame.
It's a special place to be and baseball nut, and
there's Rocker, and I go up and speak to him.

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We had a good conversation, and I came away even
more charmed than I was by the bombastic, patriotic personage
that he's always been. But yesterday I read a tweet
and I couldn't stop thinking about it. You know, in
the midst of you know, you're trying to devour all
this content and put it all into place. And I

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read the following. All Charlie Kirk did was have a
respectful dialogue with people he disagreed with, and and that
kind of centered me. It made me ponder in the
midst of all the screaming, and they did this, and

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they said this, and can you believe here's Rocker putting
it all into perspective. Let read this again. All Charlie
Kirk did, all he did, the big crime, the reason
he had to be assassinated, was have a respectful dialogue
with people he disagreed with. Think about that for a moment.

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I don't compare anyone to Christ, but there are christ
Like tendencies. When in your effort to do good, to
be righteous, to help you are killed for it, you
know you're making a difference. John Rocker is our guest.
Welcome to the program, sir, Thank you, Michael, you for
having me. Where was your head when you wrote that, uh, you.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Know, honestly not the same place it is now. I was,
you know, always been a big fan of Charlie Kurt
was always I mean, guy was only thirty one years old.
I don't know how old he was. I was actually
supposed to do Charlie's show in the next month up
held people have done. Had got me on that looking
forward to it, and a fan of his, uh you know,
started to sort of diving into you know where he started.

(10:18):
I mean, he started eighteen years old with his program,
fresh out.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Of high school.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And to be saying I last night, you know how
old is this guy? Because you see pictures of him
and see what he does, you see Alam speaks, and
like this is this is this is a mature you know,
middle aged man, thirty one really, and and it started
a very healthy movement at such a young age. And
so I started, you know, thinking about that, and of

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course seeing the pictures of his family, the two little girls,
and then here in the saying I'm watching all the
shows last night, Waters and all those shows, and the
same punt. It's the same conversation, the same tire rhetoric
of you know, we're just already to come together as
a nation and appreciate one another's humanity and and just
stop all the hateful better for a hateful dialogue.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, I can't use.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
An absolute here, but I will say it probably this
an eighty twenty even ninety ten issue. You know, it's
the left with the hateful dialogue. It's the left with
the hateful letteric. You know, there were a few on
the left that came out and we condemned, condemnation. You know,
if we need to cut this out, cut it out.
Which didn't want to hit the other one? Find a

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nation does nothing for me. The left is joy they
are on the view. Gonna stop calling Donald Trump hitler?
Absolutely not? Is is Rachel mattout Jake Tappler? Are they
going to knock it off and play civilly? They play,
play peacefully, play you know, well, let's all play together,
happy in the playground. Absolutely not. They're not going to

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do it. It sounds great in a fancy world, but
when that air touch of the inconvenience of all that
idea tell you the intervenent air, interveient air of reality
is not going to happen. And I know, you know,
Biden is just one of the biggest eye rolling moments
when he would say, he repeated this multiple times, the

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biggest danger to American democracy are extreme MAGA supporters. Really, Joe,
how many liberals, left wing politicians, left wing activists, were murdered,
assassinated during your four year tenure, Joe, when was when
was it? Who was Steve Scalise gone down by? It

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is softball practice? Who was shooting at Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Or tends have that?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Donald Trump? Twice? The four hundred plush most, I'd say most,
but a lot turning violent protests back in twenty twenty.
Those aren't voters, Joe. Liberals listening to this, those aren't
Trump voters. Those are you?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
You people?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
And this this we should turn down the rhetoric and
all hold hand and seeing pum bay ad, Let's just
be Americans and agree to disagree.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Let's see when I wrote that, it was it was
kind of a sobering sort of you know what, what
does guy just just pay for? You know why you
just pay? You know, Paper's life or what his life?
But you know what, White it cost him his life?
Just sitting down with Gavin new some less debates and
issues that we have disagreement on and I need to

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get I need to get shot in the neck over that.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That that is the left, the left, the party of
self proclaimed tolerant, self proclaimed inclusion. Yeah, if you're a freak,
they'll inclusion. But if you're just normal and just go
about my daily life and my nine to five job,
my family, my kids, gut, God, guns, family, Uh, you
know all that now, and I includes you and inclusion

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there and their little group. In fact, if you don't
conform to their group, you might get shot in the neck.
And you know you got to to to around this.
This this very gingerly, I think because God does not
want to be and knocked on my door in three
days going to mirror for a minute.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
We had talked to you like.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
But at what point times does the right say enough
is enough? And when when you go to a Trump rally?
And how many videos did you see, especially in sixteen,
if Trump rallies people where naiga hats will be surrounded,
watch stone at him, bottlestone at him, literally punched. Did
you ever see that? You see people of Joe Biden rally.

(14:30):
But if there had been people there, there would not
have been white and we mobs there assaulting these people.
At what point in time does does the right being
like enoughs enough me and he will step out the
street at what point in time and does not have
to happen to get these sons of bitches to just
honestly just just just just just leaning alone. Is stopped
eting with me leaning alone? You know how many these

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people are? Eight agitators? I mean, God knows the guy.
You have to say that the assassin and Charlie was
probably not paid. He was just a million drains individual.
How had become million drained from listening to Rachel Maddow,
from from watching the view and hearing what evil, despicable
people Conservatives are Exactly where is his brainwashing came from?

(15:20):
And they're not going to tone it down, they're not.
So just be prepared to defend yourself against these people,
because you're not all of a sudden you're gonna have
Rachel Mallig. When you know what you're right, I'll stop
absolutely not And and you know we are absolutely, Michael
at war with liberals. The only thing is the only
people fighting are the liberals, Like conservatives don't realize we're
actually at war with them and they're the only ones fighting.

(15:43):
We're just we're just sitting in the gain in the corner,
just sitting in the corner doing the rope it up,
his hands up, just just taking haymakers. But we're not
funny side.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Listen to the Michael Barry Show podcast. If you dare
Polly Holliday has passed, you played Flow on Alice. It's
a great show for my childhood. She was eighty eight
years old on this nine eleven, twenty four years after
the horrible day. I will never forget in thirteen years

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after Benghazi, so so many of the same emotions that
we deal with, Michael, how are we going to get by?
Because that's what we do, because that's what was done
before us. Because we're not weak. We are strong. We

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are not self indulgent, we are not selfish. We do
not sit in the fetal position in a corner and cry.
We are strong. We are Americans. That's what we do.
We are strong for ourselves and our families, and we
are strong for the Kirk family. This nation will be

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strong that they will grow up in that's our duty.
Charlie Kirk wasn't hiding in a corner. He was out
there for the whole world to take a shot at.
He lived fearlessly because he knew where he was going

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and he knew what he was doing. He didn't have
to wear a balaklava and crouch and hide and obscure
his name. He did it proudly and openly, and if
he died for that, that makes him a martyr. That

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makes him a person we should all hope to be like,
because if we say to ourselves, speaking out might cost
our lives, which Charlie Kirk had said many times, by
the way, speaking out might cost our lives. I live
in fear. I am a person who lives in fear. Well,
then you go put your mask on, actually put two,

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three or four, get your nineteenth booster shot, worship at
the idol of Fauci biden Baraq and fear. Hide inside
in a home with no air conditioning lest the earth

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burn up. Because you've been convinced of that as not
who we are. There's a there's a line in the
Rubayat by Omar km my wife's mother. My wife's mother
passed when my wife was nine. She had stitched it

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into a cloth which she gave to my wife. She
did needle point and different things like that, and I
memorized the line over the years. I'm going to read
it so I don't mess it up now, but I've
kept it memorized. When I first met my wife, she
showed it to me, and it stuck with me, and
the line goes. The moving finger rights and having writ

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moves on. Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure
it back to cancel half a line, nor all thy
tears wash out a word of it. And what Kyam
was saying was, once the words are on the paper,

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that finger will move on. We will die. We will
cry for the finger to come back, we will cry
for those days to come back. But those actions and
deeds live on. And I think the best tribute we
can pay to Charlie today is to share his words,

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because those words inspired three thousand people at a college
campus to come out and see him. Turning Point USA
had eight hundred university campuses. You're welcome to go worry
over who the shooter was, and what was written on
the bullet, what was written on the gun, who was
over here, and what did over there and what this
person said. I don't care how seeing and reacted. I

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don't know why you do. There's only two ways you
can react to the way the left reacts. Either angry
at them, which people are. Oh Obama said, don't be violent.
Oh yeah, well, how's he gonna say that? How you
gonna say, don't be violent? All right? Well, would you
rather Obama say? Haha? I'm glad. I never liked Charlie Kirk.

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He made me look like a fool pit one or
the other. But why are we so concerned with what
those people think about us? That's what I don't understand
what somebody is over watching sing in an MSNBC and
worried about what Matthew Dowd is saying. Those people are monsters?

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Why would we care what they think? People? A lot
of people. I can't believe Charlie Kirk knew so many
things about so many things because he's reading the classics
instead of watching CNN. How about Dad? First time I
saw this video was when I knew Charlie Kirk was
the real deal.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
The country was shot on common law because the Declaration
only refers to God four times, and the Constitution doesn't
refer to God at all, and it only articulates the
structure of government.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
So first of all, remember that we were a collection
of states and colonies, and you need to read the
state constitutions for anything else. Nine out of thirteen in
the original states required you to be a Bible, believe
in Christian a servant government at the time the founding
is O thirteen and thirteen required a declaration of faith.
Nine out of thirteen required you to be a Protestant,
except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required a declaration
of it. Almost every single one of the original state

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constitutions Pennsylvania included they had I profess Lord in Jesus
Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions.
You remember where collection of states before that. Secondly, fifty
five and six fifty six of the originals signers of
the Declaration or Bible believing church attending Christians. So common
law is inherited from Blackstone, who was Christian. A common
law is an outgrowth of the scriptures. So let's go
to three principles of common law. Presumption of innocence, new process,

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in jure of your peers. All three your biblical principles
wrapped into the ultimate Biblical principle that you shall not
favor justice if you are richer report, which is a
Limiticus nineteen. Right before most famous part of Liminticus nineteen,
which is that you should love your neighbors yourself, But
before that is that in the administration of justice. You
shall not favor the rich or the poor, which is
the idea of blind justice. We get that in the West,

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which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal. Neither
slave nor Greek nor jew, You're all one in Jesus
christ Is. We have to ady of human equality. These
are all Biblical ideas. They're not Enlightenment ideas, which is
they kind of get conflated at the time. But more
importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned
four times in the Declaration of Independence. That's a big deal, okay,
laws of nature and Nature's God. The last paragraph of
the declaration reads is a prayer. It says, we appeal

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to the supreme judge of the universe, who's the judged universe.
Jesus Christis says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the
earth on his throne. In the Declaration, they were praying
to Christ, our Lord, as a prayer very specifically. Thirdly,
as I said up the stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by
far the most quoted book religious or non religious in

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the time of the Founding when they were putting together constitution,
more than John macke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone.
So the Book of Deuteronomy, which talked about laws, customs, traditions.
It was most farewell addressed as he's about to say goodbye,
say hey, good luck in Canaan, guys, here's how you
should set.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Up your form of government.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what
the founder said. John Adams seemlessly said the Constitution was
only written for a moral, religious people. It was wholly
inadequate for the people of any other. The body politic
of America was so Christian, it was so Protestant that
our former structure of government.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Was built for the people that believed in Christ.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Our Lord.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis
is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but
we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompabile
if you cannot have liberty if you do not have
a Christian population.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Somebody sent me a meme earlier today that said, Charlie
Kirk wasn't killed because he spoke, he was killed because
our children listened to Michael Berry Show. Michael Berry Show.

(24:33):
I received an email from someone I respect him quite
a bit. I'm not off the rest to share this
person's name, so I won't. This person said, your evening
broadcast changed my attitude someone yesterday. I was beyond pissed yesterday,
as livid as the day the left tried to murder Trump.

(24:55):
I listened to your broadcast yesterday at six pm, expecting
either a fire and brims or a calm before the
storm speech. Instead, you discussed Christ in prayer. It changed
my demeanor and calmed me. Afterwards. I prayed for Charlie Kirk,
his widow, his kids. I prayed for my country, my

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president or vice president. I was still angry, though not
as much, for I saw this as a spiritual war,
and I was at peace. For that, I thank you.
Anger is the emotion of self indulgence, and I say
that as a person who gives in to it more

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than most people you will ever meet. I learned from
my parents a healthy, righteous indignation at anyone who I
perceive wrongs me or mine. And I was taught from
a very young age that there were people who will

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favor their own care over you, or their own type,
their own skin color, their own community, their own religion,
their own alma mater over you. And I learned to
transfer that anger, to channel it as a chip on

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my shoulder. Anybody who's successful has a healthy chip on
their shoulder. Be careful, it'll weigh you down and crush you.
But it's healthy. It's healthy to need to compete. It's
why a lot of NFL players will come into the
league on that rookie minimum and they get that big
contract and they blow up, get fat, get hooked on drugs,

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get hooked on prostitutes, start buying cars, and they don't
show up to training camp. They don't do what got
them to be good. But anger is not the emotion
that brings great change. Anger is a reaction to someone

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else's action, typically engaged in without great thought or self control.
Those in the throes of anger will justify that anger.
They will tell you that you are less manly than
them because you are not evincing the traits of anger.

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Or they will tell you are less patriotic than them
because their anger is a metric of how much they
loved Charlie Kirk and this country and how much they
despise what the Left is doing. The more angry and
out of control, they very easily allow themselves to become

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the greater their self worth as a person who is
so out of this look. We don't celebrate the instinct
that makes us take a drink or a drug, especially
if we're in the throes of addiction. We don't say, yeah,

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there goes O time he's hooked on heroin. But I
bet he ain't man enough to get up again today
and shoot up. He shot up for two weeks straight. Yeah,
but he has no choice. That's what he's gonna do.
That's giving into the weakest element. True strength, would be

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to stop because it's killing him and destroying everything he's built.
The same with liquor, the same with gambling, the same
with with with extramarital sex, the same with any number
of other of the activities that destroy us. When I

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say don't be angry, or when I say I choose
not to be angry, that doesn't mean because I think
anger is bad. Anger is natural, But natural natural is
often what gets us in trouble. It's easy. See, it's

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easy to eat four thousand calories a day. That's not hard.
What's hard is calorie deprivation. It's easy to choose to
not work out. It's easy to choose not to study
It's easy to choose not to get into the office early.
It's easy to choose not to make all the calls
you need to make. It's easy to choose not to

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go the extra mile. It's easy to choose to not
compliment your spouse and take out the trash. Those are
the easy choices. The hard choice is to rise above that.
And that is not anger, and that is not sadness.

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A number of people tell me they were so sad
they they were going to take off from work. Work
is dignity, Work is good. Charlie Kirk died doing his work.
That was his work, that was his purpose. God gave
him gifts and he used them. Why would you not
then use yours? Anger, sadness, those are not what drive

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great people of great nations. Now out of that, I
will hear aah.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You do that.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
You're going weak them and you're going soft. No, that's
the difference. See, you're angry at seeing n and MSNBC
and NBC and ABC, and you're angry at this, and
you're angry at that because you're shocked, because you allow
yourself to forget how bad they are. I never do.

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You don't need to be angry if you are resolute
and of conviction. You live ever aware, head on a swivel. Ready,
you can't be duped. When they try to stick a
needle in your arm. You to go, Okay, I.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Wouldn't normally do this, but I'm scared because you don't
let yourself get scared, not scared enough that you would
trust Fauci or Burks or big Pharma.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, I made a mistake because I was a feared. Well,
maybe don't get a feared. Maybe be strong and resolute.
Maybe be the mountain everybody else needs you to be.
Maybe right now, somebody around you doesn't need you to
break down. Maybe we stop celebrating breaking down. Maybe we

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stop giving a bunch of attention to the per I
just saw y'all know, out of all of us here,
we all love America, and we all went to turning
point of ends. But I'm really upset. I'm going to
be crying the loudest and screaming and hollering and acting foolish.
And what I like, all you ought to do is
to go, oh, you know, Meredith, she's really really really
really really upset. We'll have to pick up her burden.

(32:14):
Now is the time to be the mountain, the rock
that people around you need to see at a moment
like this, when our leaders are under attack, when free
speech is under attack, when people are scared, when they're
worried and they're hurting. That is not your time to

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be scared and worried and hurting. That is your time
to step up and take your place and lead and
be the rock that other people need you to be.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
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